I disagree, I adopted a very strong red pill ideology without even know what The Red Pill is.

In summer 2011 I got a job bartender. I was on my way to getting into great shape, had been working out, I was in a LTR and then I was cast off into the service industry. Within a few months I was absolutely blown away watching the bar patrons interact with each other, as well as my coworkers. I broke up with my LT GF and I started sleeping with coworkers and bar patrons on the reg.

Looking back I think I was still fairly blue pill and was just coasting on my good looks (no e brag) but after 1 years, summer 2012 I became an extreme red piller... I never watched or listened to any "game" or RP theory's I just learned them from trial and error with women and witnessing what they do and how they act.

In summer early summer of 2012 I got a second job bartending at a place with an All Female staff. It was one of the most eye opening experiences of my life, I was suddenly part of a inner circle of a bunch of hot girls and I listened to their gossip every day. I listened to them complain about their weak, BP boyfriends and how they liked when guys were hard to change (I.E make them submit) I even slept with a few of those girls from that job.

I've been a long time /b/tard (since 05) and one day I was discussing women with a friend and he mention RP and I had no idea what he was talking about, he told me about this sub and I made my claim that I hate the reddit community because of how beta the men are, he laughed and said I would fit in well here...So yea...I disagree with OP, GO GET A JOB AS A BARTENDER and you will become a master RP'er, and make some good money while you're at it.

I recently discovered Reddit and particularly this subreddit. The knowledge shared here is mindblowing... So I'll keep in mind what you're saying in order to approach efficiently each post.

Swallowed the pill today.

I like what I see in this post. In all honesty, I don't have much trouble getting women. I'm currently a University student, and the sex flows here as much as you would expect from a college campus. What's rather unusual is that when I entered the school, I noticed all of the entitlement and beta attitudes of the majority of my peers. The majority seems to resent the idea of hard work, and expect a career and living wage to be handed to them on a platter because they have a diploma. Attending University has created more of a self-reliant mentality within me than I ever had before. I want to be better in life than the complaining student body around me.

I was skeptical about this sub-reddit when I first heard about it, but some reading and this post reinforced the notion that this is more about self-improvement than shaming of others. Other people have taken on a secondary role to me, and if others share my desire to succeed and be the best they can be, then I will associate with them. If not, I cast them off; I won't be dragged down. I view this as less of an egotistical issue but rather an urge to become the greatest man I can be.

I look forward to the journey.

Totally agree.

I started with learning Game. Sometimes I could not figure out why some of it would work and some of it did not.

Discovering the red pill helped me understand Game. Then I started to take fitness and eating healthy seriously. This is all under the spectrum of self improvement.

Anyways, thanks for sharing this. -dcl

Agreed.

But stop masturbating, you're depriving your mind and body of vital energy.

go to work, get married, pay your taxes, pay your bills, watch TV, follow fashion, act normal, obey the law and repeat after me: i am free.

what is self improvement? is it measured by some guy prescribing you behavior? is it learning how to chase women better? is it making more money and being "alpha"? if so, just keep on telling yourself that you took the red pill. don't question the walls of your prison, don't question the rules that form the walls, the social structure that allows the rules. because you can escape the matrix, if you just win over the women there, if you just keep playing by those rules. keep telling yourself that you didn't take the blue pill, that you are free to make your own decisions and that other people aren't making them for you.

This was some what a quote from "Fight Club"! Loved it though

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A good rule of thumb for beginners is that when things aren't making sense, like if you are asking some inane technical / semantic question like "well, if women are attracted to guys who don't have to try for pussy, then aren't I losing if I go over to talk to her? She can see I am trying to get her" you need to get the fuck outside. Go see for yourself - approach 100 women and find the answer yourself.

Gotta remember that reading theory is almost bad for you because it robs you the opportunity to discover it for yourself. If I go out and fuck a girl, and later I find out she strings along like 2 dudes who buy her dinners, I am going to internalize the concept of "alpha fucks beta bucks" way faster and way deeper than if I read 100 pages on it. It's kind of like guys who have figured out exactly what their body responds to by going to the gym and beating up their body, and measuring responses to various stimuli. If this guy had found himself 1000 pages of bodybuilding theory early in his life, that may actually have been negative, as he would have just done the cookie cutter program and never gained self-knowledge about what works for him.

Likewise, there is something amazing about learning how to seduce women without knowing SHIT about game. Older bros who did this before game even existed know what I'm talking about - the knowledge that you made it all click together by your own intellect and your own navigation is an amazing feeling. Seriously, go experience things before you have read the theory and you will see - you will seriously become more smooth, skilled at improvising gold shit out of thin air, and you will truly value your results. Not only that, you will understand the relationship between action and effect way better, because you're results aren't jaded by what the internet said "should" be happening.

Isn't Red Pill Theory originated from self improvement?

I came?

TLDR: Hit the gym and get a social hobby

Relinquish all fears that impede gaining high social value. Fear is not an option for any of us; we are above the flight or fight response, we don't dismiss it, we are propelled by it. Redpillers use their COMPETENCE to reinforce their confidence, so there is no need for such fears...fear of speaking, fear of crowds or fear of judgment. Obtaining your highest value is the ultimate goal.

Too bad all the people hating on TRP seem to ignore the posts like this.

yeah, it's just like the no fap movment, without going to talk to girls.

This is a good post to all the newbies, and a great reminder for those of us (e.g. me) that can get too caught up in reading TRP and forget to go apply it/try it out. Thanks for that!

On a side note:

different examples exhibiting the same principals, similar examples exhibiting different principals, similar examples exhibiting the same principals

You mean principle in this case.

Starting to sound like a cult.

No, "TRP" as it were is akin to skeptics in atheism. It's not necessarily tied to self-improvement.

It's about rejecting the aphoristic garbage that most people "know" about relationships between the sexes unless there is clear and convincing evidence. It's about slaughtering the sacred cows of conventional "wisdom" related to these subjects.

What you do with the knowledge is entirely up to you. If what you want out of life is to succeed in the sexual marketplace, then yes, self-improvement is part of what you must do. This is because if you watch what women do rather than what they say, you will notice something very profound, as with politicians: These are two very different things. If all you want to do with it is avoid being used and abused or spot big "red flags," then you don't need to push yourself to the point of vomiting in the gym.

Good post.

And I'll add something I said already. If you are not fucking anything then cut your /r/theredpill time to 1hr a week, or less, it will do you no good. You will simply grow more and more bitter and hateful towards women and that's not the way to go.

Misery is comfortable. It's easier to sit in the back of the car than drive it.

"old school grit and hard work rarely seen today"

I was home at christmas and visiting with family, and somehow we came across the topic of my great grandpa, and how he used to love to play the piano. Now growing up in a rural farming community, they didn't have a lot of time for dances in the summer as they were all busy with their subsistence farming. When Winter rolled around, they would all get together and have dances at the hall.

I mentioned great grandpa liked to play the piano, well all 5'7" of him (and I'm assuming a few friends) would move the piano out of the house, onto a horse drawn sleigh and then ride two hours in the cold to get to the hall with the piano in tow, play some songs at the dance and then cart it home....

I sat there dumbfounded for a while, if someone wanted me to put a piano in the back of my truck and haul it to a dance, I'd probably tell them that was a hilarious idea and walk away.

I feel like I've lost a lot looking back, living in a city seems to have made me soft.

Its been an introspective time though since I heard that, now its time to go do some sit-ups

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I am personally not a big fan of pushing yourself though unpleasant things to acheive goals of my genes ( successful reproduction) . I am not a puppet whose strings are being pulled by nature whose sole goal successful reproduction and propagation of my genes. My personal philosophy is to find something that I truly enjoy and pursue that for the sole reason of getting pleasure from. Dont go to the gym and lift weights if its not enjoyable. There are a million things that are truly enjoyable and would improve both you brain and body( yoga for example). Dont make your life a pilgrimage whose sole purpose is to reach a goal.

Never understood the bias against wacking off here. Had to commandeer this account to make this post as well.

Lifting, gaming, spinning plates, climbing corporate ladder. Shit can get tense every once in a while. Can't tell anyone about it, this is your shit to deal with. Plop down on the golden throne, find some raunchy ass shit and relax a little. Make some time for yourself. No need to chew bubblegum and kick ass on the shitter.

Luckily working out is pretty routine for me. I started taking salsa lessons, got a Spanish tutor, started the 1 approach a day, going to get back into yoga and no fapping / porn. Its been 45 days so far

You say that like masturbation is a bad thing.

self improvement is masturbation. now self destruction...

But masturbation is enjoyable.

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I'm not very good at multitasking... so I'm attempting to get my self improvement on track first priority...

down 8kg in 2 weeks of pushing hard (about 1/3 to my goal of losing 29kg in 6 months)...

booking the holidays I want, improving my vocab and social skills....

not bothering to argue when the woman (women) in my life tries to start things.

I still slip... but less each week that passes!

If you're not improving, you're regressing.

What prompted this repetition of the obvious? Are you trying to convince yourself of something?

Can I avoid being a beta being taken advantage of by some woman who has hit the wall and is done riding the cock carousel? If the answer to that is that by simple awareness I can avoid that situation, then I'd hardly call it useless.

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Thanks for the reminder. Time to get my ass back to the gym. Today.

I find this very uplifting. Lately, I found that the sexual aspects of it are quite boring. I thought I was the strange one as I started to feel that getting a one night or a few nights stand to be quite easy and tiresome after awhile.

Instead, I have been focusing on other aspects (ie the self improvement angle) to be the strongest and "bestest" version of myself that I can be.

Preach brother!

It's such a strangeness to be one people look upon for guidance. Once I would have found it stressful, as I am by nature very introverted. However, as I have grown, and allowed myself to believe in what I truly am, thanks to rp theory removing my guilt.

I am what I am now, I cannot imagine what I was anymore.

Good post, always a good reminder.

One thing that's painful but true when it comes to Red Pill and the pick-up aspect of it especially, is that you HAVE TO approach. Maybe it's better generally summed up with the cliche that you have to be "comfortable being uncomfortable."

You could be aware of the M/F sexual dynamic, interesting, have everything else in your life going perfectly, be confident in any other context, and still you won't get anywhere until you approach. And you'll probably get rejected in the early goings too, but you learn from those "failures." That's true of anything you do.

And I constantly struggle with it. I'm sure even the most confident guys still get a little anxious when approaching a girl or starting something new. But part of being a man is possessing that sort of amnesia -- that ability yo get back on that horse.

Don't fear failure. Learn to love it. Push yourself to the limit. That's the only way anybody ever got anywhere. Alexander the Great inherited his father Phillip's throne, and Phillip himself had left him with a sizeable kingdom. Alexander could've sat around and drank wine and fucked bitches but instead he went forth and conquered. He was never content.

"You fell off the horse? It must be broken.

And a rapist."

Anytime someone stops paying attention to girl who has friendzoned them, stops oneitising girls playing games or dumps someone using them they are improving. Do not let self improvement be rated by the size of your bicep, attitude change is a big improvement.