As we are all aware from TRP, it is the role of the man to earn and provide resources in exchange for sex from women. This theme has been consistent throughout history and different cultures.
In recent history women have taken a larger role in earning. This is the source of the problem, because now that women have full control of sex, and moderate control of wealth and resources, there really is no use for a man. The only use a man has now is his genes....ergo you see women hooking up with good looking guys all the time, knowing that if worse comes to worse, they could capably support themselves.
Another way to put it, is that while men have good control of resources, and almost no control over sex....women have good control of sex, and "good enough" control over resources. Hence the inequality.
So accordingly, to level this playing field, we need to increase men's access to sex, or cheapen it's value in some way. Legalization of prostitution would achieve this goal.
Not only would it enable men to have sex on demand, but it would straighten out the dynamics between men and women.
Example: The essence of dread game is letting the women know that you have other options for sex. When a women knows that you don't have other options for sex, that's when she begans to act out, ask for an open marriage, divorce, or inevitably cheat. Showing her that you can get ass as well, will leads her running back to you. Every. single. time.
Some would argue that prostitution cheapens sex ---- Yes, and this is a good thing.
Others would argue that prostitution forces vulnerable girls into a lifestyle like this. --- Well women are earning more aren't they? They have plenty of other options to make money. And if prostitution was legalized, the prices and earnings would certainly plummet.
I know this might sound radical. Keep an open mind. I'm looking for an intelligent discussion. Thoughts?
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Not to mention marijuana. It's easily the lowest hanging fruit in terms of its low stigma and thus high popularity as well as its strong smell while burning or not. These points are not even to mention the private prison industry. Who ever thought it was a good idea to let people profit off of others being incarcerated? Madness.
MartialWay 10y ago
Negative. It's about an order of magnitude easier to arrest streetwalkers than Johns. The elaborate and expensive stings to arrest Johns were part of a Neo-feminist push to punish men, even if economically unfeasible. If you MUST follow a narrative where women are always victims, you can't punish them by arresting them..
RPstudent 10y ago
Yes. Next question.
Oh you want elaboration.
Your general premise is correct. Sex work being illegal and/or societally shamed is a means of ensuring that women retain sole control over how and when and how often a man can meet his sexual needs.
One caveat: Illegal prostitution preys on vulnerable girls. Legal prostitution exists at the sanction of the state and thus prevents many of the negative externalities associated with prostitution. Only the most radical feminist or moralist will argue that the girls at the bunny ranch were being victimized.
[deleted] 10y ago
Holy bro-science.
No, we should not make laws, regulate society with legislation on the basis of "leveling the playing field". With that kind of logic we should tax men higher too in the great spirit of leveling the playing field....
Prostitution should be legal not for the reasons or "theories" you outline, but because its a voluntary act between consenting adults that does not infringe on anyones elses rights or affect anyone else. On what legitimate basis can a third person tell whore A and customer B they cannot exchange sex for money?
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The burden of proof SHOULD be on those trying to divert our taxpayer money to making something illegal rather than on those who argue for legality. I agree that laws should not be made to "level the playing field" but the fact of the matter is that many laws passed are for that very reason (making prostitution illegal in the first place).
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Amen, brah
hamstercide 10y ago
Prostitution is already legalized in many "1st world" countries, including Germany, the Netherlands, and Switzerland. Germany is a big destination for sex tourism and it's common to see prostitutes working certain streets, to have red light districts and FKKs ("Freikorperkultur" clubs/brothels). Look at those societies and see how they fare. Stop looking at everything with the tunnel-vision of an American.
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Exactly, you never know what freedom actually is until you get the hell out of this country and visit more liberated ones. I've never been to Europe, but southeast asia was amazing, and not just because of the sex, girls, or whatever, but because of the culture - a free culture.
I could walk into a mall in thailand, go to the movie section, and buy 50 pirated movies for 5bucks, and get a 15 dollar blowjob by a 9/10 asian girl on my way out... freedom.
rporion 10y ago
Well, I can tell you what happens in Germany and Austria.
For 100 EUR you can have 30-60 minutes with this kind of quality:
http://www.laufhaus-vienna.at/Deutsch/Girls/Index
We have a birthrate of around 1.4 per woman right now and to my delight, the "man up" articles are starting to come in.
garlicextract 10y ago
Could you explain this? Why are they telling men to "man up"?
rporion 10y ago
A "man up" article is when a (usually female) journalist laments that there are no real men anymore and they dont want to grow up and they are all a bunch of pansies for not wanting to start a family anymore....
Basically an article trying to shame men into their traditional role while women have basically nuked theirs.
c00kme 10y ago
Sadly a lot of TRP content is written with an american audience in mind. I found out a bunch of things written here don't work so well in europe.
ibuprofiend 10y ago
You have to remember Reddit is a website created by, owned by, maintained by, and used by mostly Americans. And there are more English speakers in the US than in every other English-speaking country combined.
IllimitableMan 10y ago
TRP shit comes from an americanised viewpoint, anglosphere countries can follow it the most closely as they all have a common language and way of life which varies only in the brands and companies available in each country, not so much the way of living, for the most part aussies, americans, kiwis, english and canadians all live in exactly the same way and are all feminist bluepill pro-"bastardised version of liberalism" societies, or more succinctly put, radical "liberalist" societies.
People in non-english countries which have their histories independent of successful British Empire colonisation will find variances in what can be applied to their society, not at the core level such as with alpha fucks/beta bucks which generally holds everywhere, but with things that are language based such as "cisgender" which is crap exclusive to american feminism and doesn't even permeate other areas of the anglosphere. Anglosphere girls are more slutty on average than non-anglosphere girls, etc etc.
All the foreign guys I've had turn up in England and talked with either out in a queue at a club or in some other social event have always wanted to fuck a white english girl, if they were arab or indian or asian they seemed to have a white fetish. If they're white themselves (eg: a german or a french guy) and thus don't have the fetish, they're under the understanding english girls are incredibly easily to have no-strings sex with compared to what its like back home. They're not wrong. Don't take everything as gospel, mostly just the fundamentals, that which doesn't apply to your local culture should be self-evident. As I'm not american, every time I hear about one of the 50 gender labels I just facepalm at how ridiculously hilarious it is. I refuse to use those terms and hope they remain firmly isolated in the American standardisation/dialect of the English language and don't make the transition into usage with standardised British English.
c00kme 10y ago
I am french; lived in the US and the UK and well I think the idea that english/american women are easy comes simply from the fact that it is easier for a foreigner to lay them (foreigner vibe).
My french accent worked wonders, especially in the US; sadly over time I lost it.
I now live in France again and the difficulty is back to "normal".
With my current accent I could almost pass as american, so I guess I could pretend to be american to french women.
IllimitableMan 10y ago
Good observation, the whole "exotic flavour" phenomenon.
TannhauserOverture 10y ago
The question of language is important. For example in german-speaking countries we don't have any of the "cisgender" "rape culture" crap but feminists are waging war on the structure of the language by finding ever new ways of writing "genderneutral". There is always a male and a female form of a word and traditionally the male version was used as the plural but now there is all kinds of shit going on.
The word for a male teacher is "Lehrer" for a female it's "Lehrerin" - now the (male and female) femtards are writing LehrerIn, the big I "visualising" the women. But of course (and this is no joke) the femtards swiftly discovered that the large "I" looks like a phallus and is also binary and binary is basically Hitler.
So now we have LehrerIn, Lehrer_in, Lehrer* and about 700 more different ways of writing "genderneutral". And while the politicians are eating this shit up like there was no tomorrow (gotta find work for all those university-trained Gender Studies experts) the papers aren't using it - not even the most leftists ones - because they just know the readers would hate it.
c00kme 10y ago
If this is true... I do not want to live on this planet anymore.
TannhauserOverture 10y ago
It's true although the binary thing is much more important from the modern feminists pov - while most of those who recognise it as a thing stick with the large I the "real progressives" are much further with the underscore "Lehrer_innen" symbolising the many "genders" between male and female - much like "pansexual" is the new "bisexual".
TannhauserOverture 10y ago
funnily enough a technical apt reader of the most "progressive" paper in austria made this little thing, eliminating all kinds of different versions of "genderneutral" writing from the interwebz: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/binnen-i-be-gone/
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Prostitution is legal in the UK. It hasn't solved anything, in no small part because it's not the law that stops men using hookers its
1) social stigma and shame of needing to pay for sex
2) who really wants to be the 4th or 5th guy to have fucked her that day?
2FAM0US 10y ago
speak for yourself! my role is to give her quality dick. you can provide for her when im done tho... in all seriousness yes it would improve the balance. if we are progressive enough to pretty much force women into the workforce then we can at least grant them the option to do this kind of work. however good luck getting governments to allow this in Cuntries where the winning party needs to gain support from female voters.
c00kme 10y ago
Dick on a stick ? That's the extent of your skills ?
2FAM0US 10y ago
i have many skills but i got my priorities straight
c00kme 10y ago
Well, I hope you remember that when you got no money because you blew it all on the gym and making your quality dick look good.
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I know I blow all my money at the gym. Dem shakes be expensive
2FAM0US 10y ago
jeez whats with the hostility? yes i like my dick to look good. yes i put makeup and a little wig on it. no i don't perm the wig. i suggest the same to you or anybody. ensure you are the Alpha dick first, then provide as you see fit. don't get caught paying for a girl who isn't obsessed with you. i stand by my advice.
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Nicely done. you agreed and amplified. Classic strategy, always works
apackofwankers 10y ago
Hmm, prostitution is legal in most of Australia and it hasnt changed the sexual market landscape.
There is nothing like fucking a woman that wants to be fucked. Nothing at all.
cxj 10y ago
I've seriously wondered if this might backfire on us. Sure guys could get pussy easier, but Imo the quality (hot) girls will evolve and do things like sell exclusive condom free contracts to wealthy guys for large sums, thereby shutting most guys out of the market just the same as before. then using their huge funds, they would be able to get a huge head start in their careers via affording school and investing money they got for almost free. Of course plenty of dumb ass women will just waste their money but lots will wise up and invest smartly. By 23, an 8/10 could have her college degree with no debt, a house and car paid off and plenty of clothes all for 5 years of Condom free sex with a rich guy.
sfudman 10y ago
you dont.understand. pussy would be so cheap no one woman could get rich selling it.
cxj 10y ago
Average pussy sure. 8/10 and above? hooker unions/guilds for hot girls that test regularly and enforce exclusively contracts? I could see gourmet pussy fetching a premium and giving hot girls who can plan (rare I admit) a HUGE head start
sfudman 10y ago
those women already have a head start now. They get treated like a princess during their youth and can get wealthy men to take care if them life by using their pussy to game the divorce court system.
cxj 10y ago
LOL they could do all that AND still win in the exclusive hooker market! Fucking women are overpowered
50-cal 10y ago
There's plenty of use for men, who else gets spiders out of the bath?
Sex is already cheap, hit the gym for a few months, put on a nice shirt and go to a club. Prostitution should be legal though, it being the purest form of the sexual market place, the world's oldest proffession and quite possibly a way to lower the incredibly high rate of young male suicides, which I have deduced, with my infinite knowledge of everything, to be related to young males having their poor little hearts crushed and no one to fuck.
wittywittakers 10y ago
I have independently confirmed this by thinking about it
IllimitableMan 10y ago
Candid and true. Brilliant.
50-cal 10y ago
I have my moments, especially with topics close to my heart.
FaithfulJinn 10y ago
Not even close to fucking accurate.
50-cal 10y ago
How so?
FaithfulJinn 10y ago
Going to the club and having an above average body does not make the bitches flock to you. It just doesn't. I spent the last 6-8 months in the gym improving my body and my numbers have barely improved. I get rejected just as often a I used to. My style is good. There's way more to getting laid at the club than having some muscle and wearing a nice shirt.
Unless your logistics are tight and well planned, you won't be getting laid at the club that often. A club is a difficult place to get laid because girls have to ditch their friends to go somwhere with you, competition is stiff (there's always someone taller and buffer than you), you need to get the girl to your apartment ASAP so it's usually damn near impossible without living real close to the establishment, and any other number of reasons.
If you're not above 6' and noticeably buff, it's not easy to just go to a club and get laid. And I've even seen some of those guys have trouble. The club is not the get pussy free venue though it can be a great place to pick up. Club game is simply more intricate than being buff and having a nice shirt.
Also people talk about lifting as if you can become a greek god with less than a year of consistent lifting and dieting. Those are usually pretty rare cases.
1talldarkandhandsome 10y ago
Absolutely agree with you. Logistics is key. If I'm going out to get laid I have a main plan and 2 contingency plans.
Questions like: What is the cab system like in this city? Is my guest bedroom ready clean? Who, if anyone, else am I going out with? What's their end game for the night? Can we combine forces to achieve our goals? Is my cellphone charged?
50-cal 10y ago
In my glorious opinion, everyone has entirely the wrong idea about lifting. Aesthetics are a teeny, tiny part of it that many of us rookies will not achieve decently for a helluva long time. The main thing I've taken away from it is confidence. Confidence because now I'm twice as strong as I used to be. Confidence because I know that I will slap a bitch if he steps up. Confidence because there is rarely something greater than achieving a new, awesome and healthy habit. Confidence because lifting improves your mental state as well as your body and confidence, well because I lift heavy thigns and put them back down 3 times a week, along with training in Muay Thai, which makes me
healthierbetter than 80% of the population. I don't train for aesthetics, I train for strength. My body is lean and well proportioned, but hardly compares to those who train for aestethics. Problem is the curl brahs have weak legs and tend to topple under the weight of all that muscle up top if you give them a funny look.This leads to my second point, appropriate attire. This is useful for a couple of reasons. First, it demonstrates a fraction of your value, is it from a good place? Indicates money. Does it fit well? Will show off that body you've been working on. Is it red? It should be red, because studies show etc. Secondly, if you look good, you feel good. Simple.
As for competition, most guys will chode themselves out. You know my favourite thing to do? Let them start talking smack about you to girly while you hold your frame. In my experience this is a DLV, it just shows they're insecure. It's pretty much the same thing as a girl shit testing you, act appropriately. You can then recommend they buy girly a drink. If someone better than you comes along (not different, better) accept that you can't win them all and go try again/lower your standards. Alternatively, pick places where you are the highest value male with little effort. My favourite club is full of hot little metal chicks and big, fat, hairy, sweaty, unkempt ogres in unwashed band t-shirts.
Now obviously my original post was condensed, brevity being the soul of wit and all but I guess you failed to pick up on that. So go practise your game, keep lifting and remember, it's only going to become easy when...no I don't have any life altering advice to give.
Edit: When I say "...slap a bitch..." I am refering to a male. I don't advocate violence against women, no matter what the case, because you will end up in prison, because fuck you you're not allowed self defense.
ibuprofiend 10y ago
Genes play a big part in this. You can certainly make yourself more attractive, but I don't think the average guy is going to turn random women into free prostitutes just by working out.
ekjohnson9 10y ago
Genes pay little part until you hit close to your natural limit without gear. Don't make excuses.
50-cal 10y ago
Siiiiigh Fine, accept that you can't advance your position. Just be yourself, you'll find the right girl champ ;)
I give up.
c00kme 10y ago
Sure if you go for cheap sluts, its cheap; but don't expect quality where there is none.
anymanusa 10y ago
The nice office girls you see walking home are those cheap sluts a few hours later.
c00kme 10y ago
True that... actually the more respectable they look in the day the sluttier they are at night.
50-cal 10y ago
Always have low expectations, that way you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Still, less of the Slut Shaming^tm bro, I want hot bar chicks that know how to fuck. I have family, friends and a dog for everything else.
c00kme 10y ago
My finding is that hot bar chicks often are boring in bed; they assume their looks is enough and make no effort to get creative.
50-cal 10y ago
Then nut on thier face and show them the door.
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Prostitutes serve an important role in society: loving those who society refuses to love. Loving the unloveable.
Ever see Born on the Fourth of July, with Tom Cruise? At one point, he and a bunch of other disabled vets are at a bar in Mexico with hookers. They make out with the girls, and even though the guys can't fuck, they still satisfy their primal need to have a sexual conquest... because of the prostitutes.
Is it not cruel to the disabled, the maimed and the ugly to deny them human affection when such a simple means of help for our unfortunate brethren exists? If you got burned in a housefire, you could at least get a hooker and keep your sanity.
I say legalize, regulate, and tax prostitution. All the women must have H.S. diplomas, submit to regular drug and STD testing, be licensed, and have a 1099 or w-2.
drallcom3 10y ago
I live in Europe and prostitution is legal here. It doesn't change a thing. You're forgetting one important piece here: It isn't free. If you don't want cheap crap you're looking at 100€/h. The sex is mostly mechanic, not hot and wild. You also can't use prostitution to increase your SMV. Mentioning it will lower your SMV.
Prostitution is quite enjoyable, once you've found a decent woman, but it's still social suicide (shaming etc).
garlicextract 10y ago
Fantastic way to express that.
mr_throwz 10y ago
I'm all for legalization of prostitution. I think this will also force women to increase the quality of their own characters in order to get high SMV guys to commit.
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YES. This is a great point
writeonbrother 10y ago
Make money. Lots of it. That's what makes the pussy wet EVERY TIME. And yes, prostitution should be legal.
ttthrw 10y ago
It would give more good-looking women with little other talent the option to earn substantial money and get more male affirmation. The plight of Japanese betas and omegas come up often but that country has a thriving prostitution industry with every other type of female companionship for sale in between.
Empowering vapid women with opportunities for money and male attention just to provide sex will not have a positive impact for men by itself. In the past I'm sure. The moral stigma and health risks (disease and pregnancy) balanced things out.
If anything it'll drive the sexes apart more as beta men shun real interaction while more women cash in their biological prime. On the flip side alphas will end up pulling more prostitutes.
hamstercide 10y ago
I thought prostitution was illegal in Japan.
ttthrw 10y ago
Only nominally. The soaplands offer sex but are restricted location-wise. On the other hand non-intercourse sexual services (bjs and hjs) are more common.
mordanus 10y ago
I view prostitution as something that men do if they can't get women any other way. Why spend money on a woman when you can learn game and get one for free.
SQQQ 10y ago
i disagree. this is like buying WoW gold. sure, its for ppl who doesn't have skills but who cares i got cash. i m sure some ppl gets pleasure from grinding dungeons for months, but if i don't.
if i have a good income and dont have a wife/child to feed, my most abundant resource is cash and my most limited resource is time.
Stayinghereforreal 10y ago
I think Mr. Charlie Sheen had some comments on this issue. I doubt he had much difficulty getting attractive females to visit him for free, so his thoughts on the issue are one data point to consider.
mordanus 10y ago
True but considering the source it isn't really comparable. Most of us aren't to the point where we have women throwing themselves at us like he is. He is obviously in the top of the tier as rich and famous. For the general rule however I think people should refuse prostitution and work on game. Improve themselves until women are throwing themselves at them until using a prostitute is the best option.
circlhat 10y ago
I agree with you 100%, I think most guys don't want to admit they are desperate so they use the, "I paying her to leave" excuse.
mordanus 10y ago
Trp is slumping lately. It used to put a lot more on self mastery and understanding women. Posts like this are just saying "I give up and I'd rather pay for sex than earn it."