Being a man isn't easy, it's harder than being a woman. Average men envy average women because it's easier. There is less responsibility and there are higher rewards for embracing mediocrity when you're a woman. But get it right, really learn how to become a man, indulge in your pain and use your weakness, hatred and suffering to forge the mind of a philosopher as well as the body of a gladiator and you'll transcend to a level that women can only dream of.
Men are the disposable sex, because likewise, they're the experimental one. Whilst many experiments fail, those that survive the flames of the bunsen burner yield miraculous results. Women are humanity's control group. The majority are average and unremarkable and lack the capacity to ever be anything other than average. They are rigid in their potential. Whilst they envy the heights they see great men reach, they neglect to notice the depths that many a failed man has plunged to in pursuit of his manhood. A fate they need not ever fear.
There are many reasons for why a man fails to handle/lead women. The most common is the man was raised in a feminist culture bereft of accurate knowledge about relationships and manhood. Another, perhaps more tragic is when a patriarch gets ill and loses his vitality after an accident/old age, and by the loss of authority his ailment brings about, he becomes unattractive to his woman. It doesn't really matter what the reason is, because the bottom line is that as a man you don't get to be weak.
If you're weak, you're unattractive and you lose out. You lose out in a way a woman doesn't for being weak. Female weakness is a source of power for "raising awareness," playing on the "save-a-hoe" complex of men to protect the fair maiden. Whilst male weakness on the other hand has no place in the world. None at all. Anywhere. Nobody will cherish it, and nothing will change because of it. Egalitarianism as a concept is by merit of this, not an intrinsic human disposition, but an intellectual social construct.
As a man most people won't help you for being weak, they don't sympathise with your weakness, they laugh at you and "how you could ever let yourself get like that."
As a man, they laugh at you and they enjoy ridiculing your weakness as it makes them feel powerful to know that they're not at the bottom of the food chain. They indulge in the antithesis between your weakness and their power because it feels good and it reassures their own insecurities. Your weakness is a reminder for other men what not to be, or to allow themselves to become. What not to be is the only useful function that weak men serve to others.
For man there is oft nothing but Schadenfreude and contempt for his weakness. Some will kick you down further and call it tough love, and of those saying "tough love" few will mean it, thinking it may help a weak man bounce back. Others don't mean it, they just don't care and don't want to look bad for being uncaring.
That's why "the whole macho thing" is something that women will never truly understand the purpose of, because it's not something they need to rely upon to be respected or respect themselves. They ask men to open up to the fragility of their humanity at their own peril, unaware of how self-condemning such an exercise is for man. Unaware how quickly even the smallest iota of weakness a man indulges in can consume and transform said man into a bumbling joke.
Women don't have to be strong, or emulate strength or pretend to be strong for anything but their kids, they get to be weak and look for someone to be strong for them and they will still be respected as humans for making that choice. The women who do manage to become strong, do so to their own detriment, taking on the role of man and masculinising to achieve strength, making themselves unattractive to men in the process. Where there is compassion and sympathy for the weakness of women, there is little if any, for men. The homeless statistics reinforce this idea across humanity.
A weak woman is an unfortunate woman and she can still be attractive to men. She is unfortunate in the sense that nobody assumes her undoing is her own fault. A weak man is a failed man, unattractive to both men and women alike. A failure in that it is assumed he didn't have what it takes to succeed, there being nobody to blame but him. As I stated prior, women aren't the experimental sex, men are. And so as men we're all held personally responsible for the experiment that we call "our lives." It's all or nothing. Death or glory. Carpe diem.
whatsazipper 10y ago
Invictus
Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.
In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds and shall find me unafraid.
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate,
I am the captain of my soul.
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IllimitableMan 10y ago
That's an incredibly beautiful poem.
thismaytakeawhile 10y ago
The poem was also the last words of Timothy Mcveigh, the confessed bomber of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
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Man-with-a-pitchfork 10y ago
This has to be the worst possible way to illustrate this poem.
PrimaxAUS 10y ago
It misses the point so completely I am amazed.
Pill_Red 10y ago
I preferred this one
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JohnIIISobieski 10y ago
Oh God, not that black terrorist again.
bvwilson58 10y ago
Cartoons don't give this poem justice.
dizzy_dizzle 10y ago
That poem actually ruined it a little bit
Man-with-a-pitchfork 10y ago
I stand by my snarky comment, but now that this comment has been heavily downvoted, I feel like you deserve an explanation - because obviously, you thought this really was a good illustration.
The quality of the art is somewhat in the eye of the beholder, I guess. (Although really: pointy teeth for the bad guys? Come on...) A minor problem is that the story would most likely continue with the kid getting beaten up worse than ever, because you won't beat three guys who are bigger, stronger, older, and more experienced in violence than you just because you have a fucking hammer.
But the real problem is that this illustration seems to completely miss the point of the poem. It's not about taking bloody vengeance. It's about the fact that you are the captain of your soul: you can't control all the things happening to you, but you can control how you think and even feel about them.
This gets much worse because the poem has become so closely associated with Nelson Mandela, who become famous for the non-violent, forgiving way in which he ended an oppressive regime after having been imprisoned by that regime for almost 30 years.
In that spirit, here's one of my favorite reddit stories - about how bullies are treated in the best of all worlds: Redditor has a run in with an old school bully in a sound proof walk in refrigerator.....
NoFappin2014 10y ago
I agree that the comic doesn't line up with the original intent behind the poem, but like I said... It still gives ME chills, so I thought I'd share, regardless of whether or not it's "right" :D
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DrakeSaint 10y ago
This now sits on the right side of my PC at work. Thanks so much for the wonderful poem.
IllimitableMan 10y ago
Does it translate well into
SpanishPortuguese?DrakeSaint 10y ago
It's Portuguese. Both are very close in pronunciation and
grammergrammar.It's a free translation, not literal, and yes, it produces the same effect.
IllimitableMan 10y ago
My bad. From a glance it appeared to be Spanish. Glad it translated well. The worst thing that can happen to a piece of literature is when a bad translation effectively kills it or worse, said language lacks the lexicon/auditory style to make a faithful recreation.
DrakeSaint 10y ago
There are a few words used in the English poem that are hardly ever used in Portuguese, but they fit so well it brings a noble, yet powerful message. If anything, this translation made it even more impactful.
thechaosz 10y ago
I'm a forever lurker how do I donate?
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You just put into words something that I've been reflecting on for the last few months. Women ask for sensitive men, but it's not what they want, and it's not what they are attracted to. And we men are much happier embracing our own nature than looking for dubious compromises. Good post, thanks.
limbooo 10y ago
Death or glory. That's exactly what it feels like to be a man. They don't now how hard life can be, especially for an average guy, who's a minority from a lower class. All the desperation and violence around me makes sense.
kinggluejar 10y ago
Hot women have it easy. I was at the bus station the other day. A rather attractive woman took a taxi and didn't have money. Of course all these white knights vilified the cab driver when he didn't giver her a pussy pass. Good times.
sniperhiding 10y ago
And that's how feminism was born. Pissed off ugly women jealous they have it harder than hot women. But too dumb to see they still have it a lot easier than men.
NAmember81 10y ago
I bet you anything she knew that she didn't have the money and was anticipating a break to be given to her. And if no break was given a herd of white knights would step up to either pay for her and or shame the man not cutting her a break.
LS_D 10y ago
Plot twist ... It was a "fake taxi" and she's about to be hit on big time!
IllimitableMan 10y ago
Hahahahaha. Brilliant. Hot women just live life on auto-pilot, someone is always queuing up to provide for them. Ugly and average women have feminism, the state and nice guys. Remember that Norah Vincent woman, the butch lesbian who lived as a man for over a year? She wasn't hot, but in spite of that, losing her woman privilege eventually drove her nuts and she needed to be checked into a mental hospital after the experiment was done. Despite being a "masculine woman," she couldn't handle being treated like a man and was happy to continue living as a woman after the ordeal.
backfor 10y ago
Hot women don't hear "No" enough.
homesquash 10y ago
Recent experiences have showed me the value of No.
serb1991 10y ago
While I agree with your main point, I want to state something for the sake of accuracy. Norah Vincent was admitted to the mental hospital on the grounds that she was pretending to be someone she was not, and it eventually got to her, not to mention the constant pressure or trying to not be found out and knowing your relationships are a lie. Not because she couldn't handle being treated like a man. She even said that she was pleasantly surprised that men treat eachother well with dignity and honor, whereas women have no such things.
Abadoobie 10y ago
In addition to being isolated from her normal life: her friends, hobbies, family, relationships, sex, regular work life, social circle, etc. She faced a number of difficulties in that 18 months that couldn't be remedied with her normal coping and support systems either. This sub keeps bringing her up and saying, "being a man broke her" but she wasn't a man. She was a women pretending to be a man for a year and a half and living that lie broke her.
Of course the actual reason she sought mental help is ignored here because the other reason is more convenient at pushing the red pill philosophy. Ironically, this fallacy actually undermines the philosophical foundations of the red pill by indulging in distortions and lies.
AlphamaxCouture 10y ago
It's much like hot The Daily Mail keeps getting linked on this sub because it back up TRP philosophy, even though it is common knowledge that TDM completely make up most of their stories.
It's things like that which draw away from the excellence of this sub. There's so many amazing ideas and thoughts on this sub that have their credibility tarnished by linking TDM.
IllimitableMan 10y ago
I can't speak for others and their agendas, but for me it's mostly ignorance speaking. I hadn't really taken the time to look at her situation in-depth beyond the youtube clips and some posts on her book. Whilst I still think there is some merit to "the point that gets pushed" using her example, everything /u/serb1991 raises is extremely relevant too and of course, vitiates the validity of her experience as evidence that "living like a man" damaged her and it was not simply an effect anyone would experience trying to live outside their gender identity.
But really how do we determine whether it was "being a man" that was the problem or "pretending to be something you're not" ?? The nuance is so small and either premise unprovable that really what caused her mental problems can be whatever it is rationalised to be. Would pretending to be something you're not have the same effects if the thing you're pretending to be in anyway brought benefits to your life? (Eg: fake it till you make it) I have oft thought all these male to female transexuals who wanted to become women did so simply because it would mean an easier life/more comfort and more support without having to endure the struggles of the common man. A simple operation and you get to play life on a lower difficulty setting.
I use her as an example because there is no other comparison, not out of a deliberate intent to misinterpret an experiment and use it as conclusive proof for a pre-held opinion. That is not my intention at all, of course I can't speak for other posters.
ENTP 10y ago
That's her hamster talking.
DoesNotMatterAnymore 10y ago
I heard a girl2girl discussion during my traveling. Girl X was telling a story that she fell a sleep on a night bus in London, ended up outside of the city with pretty much no money. She called for a taxi to bring her back to her place. The fee was £150, she started crying because she didn't had the money.
-He was so Nice, because he let me go without paying
fluviant 10y ago
The fucking audacity for them to flag down a taxi when they know they don't have the money for it. Christ.
GC0W30 10y ago
Guarantee either of us would wake up in jail if we tried that shit...
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incraved 10y ago
What can he do in that situation btw?
DrDalenQuaice 10y ago
I'm sure there is a way she can make it up to him
Espada18 10y ago
Call the fucking Police; heck the Policeman could pay for her if he felt like it. But she won't be getting a pussy pass.
incraved 10y ago
Can't she accuse him of some shit and make the police side with her? Did that happen before?
Silverbacked 10y ago
Yes. There was a specific story I recalled about a taxi driver being accused of rape when he wouldn't void a fare. I googled "taxi driver false rape" and apparently it's a fucking epidemic. 6 different incidents on the first page!
Espada18 10y ago
Yes it can happen but then you'll have to be willing to go all the way; even if it means taking the issue to court. It might seem petty to make such a big deal out of £150 but if that's what it takes to put a point across then let it be.
gstvtrp 10y ago
Personally, I don't have a problem that it's harder for us. I have a problem with women not being able to recognize or admit that it is.
Ralt 10y ago
You are disposable. No one gives a shit about your struggles or the fact that you are a man and the inherent challenges that come with that. The sooner you incorporate this into yourself, the better. Women are going to act like women, because they're fucking women. You're the one in the wrong for expecting something else.
http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2d344d/counterpoint_male_disposability_and_women_needing/
kinggluejar 10y ago
blame feminism. It controls the narrative. It's not politically correct to disagree with a feminist.
VinylGuy420 10y ago
It's because society likes to bring women up to make them think they do have it rough. Take the military for example. Army wives are consistently told they have the hardest job in the military. That they are the ones that make it work. They have to stay home with a kid or two, not work, pay a few bills with the wealth of money her husband is earning, go shopping, and try to not Fuck other guys. All of this while worrying about her husband. Yeah, because that's harder then manual labor everyday, the constant worry of being killed, the stress of wondering if your wife is fucking some other dude, little sleep, and dealing with death day in and day out. No wonder there hasn't been a case of an army wife getting PTSD after her husband comes home.
GC0W30 10y ago
I think you've been on and around different bases than the ones I've been on or around. I didn't see much trying....
I would just assume I was a cuckold by about 45 days into a deployment if I had that gig.
sir_wankalot_here 10y ago
You are acting like a woman. A woman breaks a nail it is the end of the world. A man loses his job and complains, he is just a pussy. That is the way it has always been.
IllimitableMan 10y ago
That would be pride and an inferiority complex kicking in there. Women who aren't comfortable in their femininity (very many of them, thanks to to the confusion caused by feminism) exude this tendency.
Traz_Onmale 10y ago
Who would be comfortable with, as you said, being average, mediocre and unremarkable.
Cyralea 10y ago
You have to reshape your reality to view it from a female lens, and then all of a sudden it makes sense. For women, the bottom 80% of males simply don't exist. They're "outliers". Anomalies. The top 20% is the average male to a woman's perspective.
When you look at the life of a top 20th percentile man, life looks really great. It looks like life is served to you on a silver platter. Woman assume that's the experience of all men, when it's anything but. Even a lot of the men in the top 20% had to bust their asses to get there.
Women genuinely believe that being a man is easier, because they only see the men for whom life is really good.
luxo42 10y ago
Who's to say that you aren't doing the same thing?
Cyralea 10y ago
Because men are good at correctly assessing estimates. For instance, judging relative attractiveness. Men typically have dominantly analytical minds, whereas most women don't.
luxo42 10y ago
Can I ask how you analytically assessed the relatively difficulty in living as a man compared to living as a woman?
Cyralea 10y ago
Same way you do any sort of analysis, make objective comparisons and weight them. Obviously it can't have the rigour of a scientific analysis, but it will procure fairly accurate results.
Consider the things that make living difficult. Barrier of entry, availability of opportunity, price of failure, work effort required, etc. Compare the typical male experience with the typical female experience.
For men to succeed, they have to do quite a bit more than women, and have fewer safety nets for failure.
luxo42 10y ago
Which of these are more difficult for women and which are more difficult for men? Is this an exhaustive list?
Cyralea 10y ago
No, not an exhaustive list, simple the ones I was able to rattle off the top of my head.
All of them are harder for men. No one simply grants benefits to men just because they are men. There are very, very few male-only support groups in existence to help men who have failed. There is virtually no empathy on all sides for an unsuccessful man. And lastly, the overwhelming majority of men aren't born with any SMV, they have to work for it and take risks.
This isn't a "woe is me" spiel. Just a counter to the notion that men are the most privileged class.
luxo42 10y ago
I was interested in your claim of objective analysis. From what you just told me, you made your judgment by considering only a couple things off the top of your head. You also limited your list to only include difficulties for men.
I was thinking that objective analysis meant a detailed and exhaustive comparison from a detached standpoint considering both sides. It seems we differ in opinion on what an objective analysis means.
Cyralea 10y ago
Entertain me then, you seem to be on the side that women face as much, or more challenges than a typical man. I've considered the viewpoints offered by women that their lives are more difficult, but found nearly all of their assertions baseless.
At some point in doing an analysis you construct enough data points to feel reasonably sure in your analysis. I can point to a number of other issues men face that are of slightly less importance, but have trouble coming up with any for women.
luxo42 10y ago
How could you make this sort of judgement? Would you make a list of things that you feel sucks more as a man and then make a list of things that sucks more as a women and whoever had the most wins?
gettingoldernotwiser 10y ago
That's part of what makes it hard.
Asiansensationz 10y ago
They gotta rationalize somehow. In fact, I'm glad I'm a man. Sure, I get more shit, no one helps me, and all my endeavours are jokes to many, but those are the things that make me better and more calm.
The achievements and progresses are shrouded by feminism, yet that fuels me. It started as an anger to prove myself to them, but after TRP, the rage induced while the energy flew through me. I don't do it to prove myself; I do this to see how far I can go. After all, you cannot ignore a bright light.
Dick-Tracy 10y ago
I've been sitting through pre-natal classes, and let me tell you, there are many, many reasons to be glad we're men....
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Men are much harder to rape, don't get pregnant and don't go through painful bouts of bleeding 4 days of every month. Other than that though...
Traz_Onmale 10y ago
Being admired for strength.
mclorie 10y ago
Saved for future reading.
Or daily reading.
Wikipodiatrist 10y ago
...You guys don't actually believe this do you? Maybe in America, but on the whole, I really wouldn't agree. Hoping not to be downvoted simply for disagreeing.
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Wikipodiatrist 10y ago
Fair enough, but that's still an overly broad generalization I think. I dislike many aspects of western women, but I still don't think pussy passes like free drinks at a bar or what have you even come close to all the things women deal with more often than men, like sexual harassment.
paperanch0r 10y ago
What leads you to disagree?
Wikipodiatrist 10y ago
The historical and contemporary oppression of women on a massive scale worldwide.
[deleted] 10y ago
You speak truth and it inspires me, brother.
This is exactly the type of content I come to TRP to find-- male self improvement/truth/strategies to take my life as a man to the next level.
Do you know any other subreddits or websites that discuss this type of more general content? Having my sexual strategies sorted out at this point I am less interested in game and storytelling for little boys who got their feelings hurt by a girl.
IllimitableMan 10y ago
Have you been made aware of /r/alreadyred ? Posts aren't made as often as they are here but the general quality is higher.
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No, thanks. I'll check it out
Bitterposer 10y ago
No, it's really not. Being a man is awesome. Being a woman sucks. Even though society bends over backwards to give you advantages, you still pretty much suck at most things.
The whiny "oh its so hard to be a man" part is the thing about TRP I hate the most. If you want to whine about being a man, go to r/mensrights. When you're ready to BE a man, come back.
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Traz_Onmale 10y ago
As a man, one gets real admiration for one's accomplishments, real attention and real friendship. A woman will always suspect that it's due to her pussy, which is not really a compliment for her. Also, I'd rather have my strength be admired and my weakness be despised than the other way around.
Bitterposer 10y ago
Not necessarily. Let's say a high school football team played an NFL team. Let's start by giving the high school team a 30 point head start. The NFL team would still win unless they spent all day whining about the 30 points the high school team got.
joe_bruised_ego 10y ago
As a man, there’s a 1 in three chance you were strapped down at birth and had your genitals mutilated.
Welcome to the world as a man. So much privilege.
Bitterposer 10y ago
I don't give a fuck about circumcision,
joe_bruised_ego 10y ago
Easy way to think being a man is easier- just ignore all forms of male oppression.
Bitterposer 10y ago
First of all, I'm a Jew and I am circumcised and I will circumcise my kind. And I don't think circumcision is "oppression." So I don't care about that.
Second, worrying about male oppression is bitch behavior. It's the same victimization cult that feminism and other forms of left wing thought try to encourage. Are men given some advantages in society? Yes, but so what? You ignore it and you keep trucking and you live a happy, awesome life, while bitter shitheads on the internet complain.
joe_bruised_ego 10y ago
So- you think your imaginary friend gives you the right to mutilate your son’s genitals?
What would you think of me if I said I’m a Muslim so I will be cutting off my daughter’s clitoris?
I don’t expect sympathy for men. Men will have to take their rights. But I’m not going to just suck it up.
Men’s rights is a part of this sub. Partisan politics is not.
Bitterposer 10y ago
I'm not arguing with you over this. I'm circumcising my son and you can go ficj yourself.
joe_bruised_ego 10y ago
Of course you won’t argue with me – you don’t have an argument to begin with.
eevil_kaneevil 10y ago
What about being an ugly woman or just a plain ol' subpar looking woman(like me)? The only thing I have easier than a man is getting laid. I consider my life mode to be of similar difficulty to that of an average man's. Not that I resent it, in fact I'm thankful for it & I would choose masculinity over femininity any day. The thing with hard mode is you get to experience pride & independence.
I would choose being a powerful king over being a flowery-teehee-please-put-it-in-my-ass-princess any day of the week. I mean,come on, is that really the sort of existence you want for yourself?
ohmaaan 10y ago
Extremely well written, that was an absolute pleasure to read! So many great points made.
__ROOSTER__ 10y ago
I've never met a man who envies women.
Cyralea 10y ago
Women can never understand the struggles men face. The men who appear to struggle are weak and unworthy of their attention, and those who made it give the impression of being naturally successful. To them, so much as complaining about your situation is indication of ones weakness. For that reason I always suggest that one should never complain or show any sign of weakness around their woman. Even small infractions. Women simply lack the faculties to be empathetic to a weak man, hundreds of thousands of years of evolution ensured that.
That said, I don't think many of us would argue that it would have been better to be born a woman. The perpetual threat of failing and being discarded ensured that I fought to make it to the top. I'm glad to have been born a man.
IllimitableMan 10y ago
Likewise I wouldn't give up the struggle for anything. It is what it is. Part of being a successful man is learning to love the struggle.
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Try being a short man, life on extra hard mode.
DRMMR76 10y ago
Yep. Every other aspect of you game has to be tip top to have a chance. It's not impossible to be a successful alpha if you're short, but you'd better be extra ripped/fit, have an awesome job, and don't ever give a women even a whiff that you might be down on yourself for being short. That's the real key. Women definitely look down (no pun intended) on short men, but those men had better not respond to it. Hold frame and act like you're 6'4" and don't ever give the impression your height bothers you, even if you have every logical reason in the world for it to.
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I have a Colombian gf so I must be doing something right.
SmallEyesRoughSkin 10y ago
I love how this lays no claim at being an answer or a proof of direction, as in, what benefit is there to being respected in such an empty world.
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SaariCanCrook 10y ago
This ain't no fucking competition man.
spicy_fries 10y ago
That's the troof! You brought home some strong points. Reality just shifted for me.
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socio_j 10y ago
Your dog eats dog view on human relationships (no one care for a weak man)is quiet appalling. You fail to see that most of political philosophy and perhaps even the formation of democracy and the State itself is founded on the principles of protection of the weak, whether it be men, women or children. All in all I understand your point, our current culture values this and thus all advice given will be directed into promoting this type of man in detriment of other ways of being a man, or perhaps a more broader spectrum of masculinity.
Patriarchysaurus 10y ago
Was it now? You sure it wasn't when prominent and well-educated 17th century philosopher/demagogues (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment) wrote damning indictments of monarchies and the bourgeois, in favor of a return to fairer governing means for the masses, and a freer populace/individual borrowed from classical antiquity?
That's all irrelevant, because saying they were founded on "protection of the weak" is a statement so naive I'm not sure where to begin a retort. I will say that women and children get said protection because that is a biologically functional and crucial component for the future of the species. Men, to the contrary, must prove their worth or be cast out of the tribe.
foolery 10y ago
I see ten homeless men for every homeless woman, I give a fuck about a wage gap.
I see a hundred men in prison for every imprisoned woman, I give a fuck about rape culture.
I see a thousand men die on screen for every woman that dies, I give a fuck about negative portrayal.
There is no broader spectrum of masculinity, there is strength and there is death, and our current culture values women.
edit: Some numbers fudged for poetry's sake, homelessness is closer to 63% male, prison stat is pretty accurate and almost certainly this skews the homelessness stat, and I'd be curious to see the numbers for onscreen deaths, I wouldn't be surprised if it's at least 100:1 after all. Points still stand, plus it's written as "I see", so I'm tacitly conceding that it's anecdata from the get go.
52576078 10y ago
Actually, now that you mention it, you almost NEVER see women killed on screen. Interesting point.
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SikPon11 10y ago
I don't mean to offend, but this post is ridiculous.
Anyone born a man that would rather be a woman because "they have it easier" is an idiot.
We are men. Men run the world. Quit bitching.
Disclaimer
I appreciate posts like this, and how people like OP post intelligent ideas for others on this sub to read. HOWEVER, men are not worse off then women. /js
Zahoo 10y ago
The honesty is in the fact that not all men rule the world. In fact, somewhat of a minority do. On the path to world ruling many men will fall to the wayside and be forgotten and alone.
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except you don't get any points for embracing those ideals in a modern ever more post-biological society except for making life more straightforeward for women.
HiddenPools 10y ago
I don't know about you, but I don't view someone with a weak woman on their beck and call "strong". A man who has a woman who exhibits strength, and yet stays with him is FAR more interesting to me. Yeah, you can look at some ass all day long, and obviously there should be a good amount of sexual attraction, we're not talking a strong heffer here, or military battle chicks.
A woman who is the "alpha" of other women, still retaining her femininity is the prime goal, much like the well off and well muscled man.
LS_D 10y ago
As they say "behind every great man is a good woman" .... which IME is usually true!
MUTHAFATHAGENTLEMAN 10y ago
Claire Underwood from House of Cards. She's got some great RP tidbits, with Frank being totally RP.
ramsaykainesmith 10y ago
A very RP show. Highly recommended.
loddfavne 10y ago
My sister who is a feminist thought that the marriage between Claire and Frank was the worst marriage ever. I thought the best portrail of marriage I've ever seen on TV. I wouldn't mind being stuck in that marriage.
Sure it's tough, but it's an alliance that gives huge benefits to both parties. The marriages I see on TV is all about men giving away their power, while Frank keeps his power and lets it grow for the benefit of both parties.
ENTP 10y ago
Bill and Hillary are the obvious inspiration
ramsaykainesmith 10y ago
Frank is through and through RP in the fact that he can sleep with any woman he wants to without any haranging from his wife. And even though claire had her fling with adam, she didn't have a moment's hesitation when she chose frank over adam and she even went as far as threatening to destroy him. She would never have the balls to do that with frank.
And if frank really wanted monogamy from claire, she would have complied. You can't doubt that.
spectre-13 10y ago
Men built civilization. Men secured a safe society and continue it's existence today with blood, sweat, tears, and sacrifice. We take the risks. We do what has to be done, and so we are sacrificed to continue existence for everyone else. Now I am not talking about a male. Weak men do not contribute to this role. Aside, failing does not make you a failure as a man, it is only when you have given up, that you become weak. That being said, MEN! Males who have taken on the role nature has given them without shame or complaint. Males who have embraced their masculinity and the role of leadership that accompanies it. Males who live through rational thought and integrity. Males who have shouldered the responsibility of keeping civilization alive for everyone else at whatever cost. Everyone hates these MEN because they embody true power. Women and weak men fear you, so that fear turns to hate. As is the nature of most weak people, they will try to tear you down, instead of trying to bring themselves up. Being a true man IS living life on hard mode, because you take upon yourselves the most difficult task our existence can thrust upon you, you provide security and prosperity for all around you, but at the end of it all, those who you protect and provide for will hate you and supplant you. Striving to be this man, however, is a challenge and a role I accept with pride, because where others are merely swept along by the changes in our world, I have the power to make those changes.
P.S. Tried to be eloquent about my thoughts on this matter since it is a matter very close to home for me, but /u/IllimitableMan I still applaud your eloquence, theses, and form of all of your articles that I've read. My hat's off to you sir.
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Baylien2 10y ago
As men, we are richer in life than any woman could ever dream of becoming, for we have the struggle and they do not. Without struggle, there is no progress, and without progress there is no fulfillment. All I know is pain, and I embrace it.
CRUSHPUSSY_MARRYAMAN 10y ago
"The first soap was made from the ashes of heroes, like the first monkeys shot into space. Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing." - Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club
LS_D 10y ago
Men forget how amazing it must be to be able to have a child ...How many men would be single dads if they could?
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legedu 10y ago
Not only can she be attractive, men usually fall over themselves for these girls.
Like a lot of guys here, I'm the product of a single mother. Because of that (or maybe in spite of that?) I'm very attracted to successful women who have their shit together. It's nice to find a woman who sees your strength and knows that you're the leader despite her own success and sound decision making.
That being said, the most sexually attracted I've ever been to a woman was a 29 year old at an entry level job making slightly more than minimum wage. She was a knockout, getting hit on countless times everyday. Men offered to buy her cars (one guy offered a house), guys would bring her jewelry, flowers, all without so much as getting a phone number... it was insane. I bought her a couple drinks (I told her she was lucky to get two).
After a few dates and a lot of out-of-control sex, it was obvious she had some sort of bipolar emotional something or other. Laughing, crying, or anger were her only phases and they all had equal playing time.
Despite my head telling me to run like hell from this nut job, I literally could not keep my dick out of her. I knew this was the exact opposite of what I should want, and it was also a glimmering example of a classic mistake a lot of men make, but there was something in my biology keeping me coming back for more.
The point is: a good looking woman that needs saving might be the most attractive thing there is to a man.
loddfavne 10y ago
I look like a total dick when I point out that girls without careers and self-confidence have more to offer to their partners. When women believe they don't need men, they divorce. A woman that kicks the man out of the nest is not a keeper. That's how I'm thinking. A muslim at work adviced me to get a plain woman. It was an awesome advice, but I didn't want to admit he was dead-on because of an ongoing power-struggle.
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PeteMullersKeyboard 10y ago
Also was raised by a single mother, also very much attracted to strong, independent women. Although I'm also extremely turned off the typical "damsel in distress"...girls that act weak just annoy the fuck out of me. In fact, I have a very hard time with weak people in general, it's very hard for me to spend any significant amount of time around them.
I can understand the attraction to really "weak" typical girly girls, but I can't really feel it. Just never been me. Guess I'm lucky, as they're the ones that cause the most trouble. But I get a lot of shit from my friends about it.
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bicepsblastingstud 10y ago
Stop diagnosing people over the internet.
Stop white knighting.
Your post is so ridiculous I'm not even going to refute it. Get this SJW crap out of here.
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You should respect people with mental illnesses whether they are a man or woman. It's not a gendered issue it's basic decency.
OP very clearly describes a woman with untreated bipolar disorder. As someone who used to be in the same position it's irresponsible to take advantage of someone who has a disease that makes it hard to think rationally. It's very similar to fucking a girl with untreated schizophrenia. Technically it's legal but when she's starts having delusions of grandeur midway through you're probably in ethically murky waters.
91239477348238942983 10y ago
Whaaaaaaaaaaat? So if I have an illness I must remain abstinent?
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As a guy with bipolar disorder I'd argue it's irresponsible to knowingly try to fuck a person with an *untreated disease (untreated being the key word here). Bipolar clouds your judgment and can make you do things you'll regret once you get on lithium and into cognitive behavioral therapy.
If your definition of what is moral is whether or not its legal you're in the clear. But after a great deal of experience with people who have mental illnesses I strongly believe it's irresponsible to do once you know the full implication of what you're doing.
91239477348238942983 10y ago
First of all the reason I did not reply is I didn't really want to have an argument with someone who is wrong. If you take that part I just quoted up there and replace "bipolar" with alcohol I don't think anyone would try and argue that hooking up with them is "immoral".
Second, what idea does that quoted sentence even convey? That treatment makes you do things you'll regret? So even if you are receiving treatment it is still immoral to engage in a relationship of sexual nature with the person? Because they are prone to do things they regret?
Third, how would I ever know the person I am trying to hook with even has a mental disorder? If it is untreated I'm going to assume it is probably also undiagnosed. So chances are that the person you approach wouldn't really know either. And if they were diagnosed but refused treatment, then that's their choice to be afflicted and I am still going to approach them if I am interested.
In short I don't think it's anymore immoral than having a sexual encounter with someone who is intoxicated. It's especially not immoral if you didn't even know. Not everyone can identify manic episodes or behaviour associated with other mental disorders anyways, so how can the onus lie on them?
Now you said knowingly engage with someone who has a disorder. You tell me how I am supposed to deduce she has obsessive compulsive disorder before I take her home for the night.
arrayay 10y ago
You just argued 50%+ of the female population is not an option. Do you have any idea how rampant emotional issues are with women?
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arrayay 10y ago
The majority aren't officially diagnosed so I don't know where you want me to go to run your errand for you. You should note that in the original comment there was no mention whatsoever of an official diagnosis. You were quick to act as if there was, based only on hearsay, doctor professor.
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MojoMoley 10y ago
If they aren't officially diagnosed then why don't you just shut up and don't talk about stuff you have no clue about.
arrayay 10y ago
Haha. That's what got you into this mess in the first place. Righteous outrage. There was no official diagnosis ever mentioned in the original comment...
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648262 10y ago
I don't think any of us can call it harder or more difficult to be a man than a woman. We are so different that it becomes impossible to compare it.
This is why a call for equality makes no sense.
I really enjoy your writings and you are years ahead if me on this, but I don't see the post above here as more than a pat on the back for guys who recently has experienced some tough love.
It is difficult being a man. And it's probably difficult being a woman as well, but I don't know how to be one so I can't really explain what is difficult about it well.
Goldfulgore 10y ago
I agree 100% with this post. Can't get any more Red Pill than that.
There are people in this sub who claim to have swallowed the pill and you can tell that they are not really there yet.
About 50% or more in this sub are "almost" red pill. Most linger to old thought patterns and beliefs of equality.
You can tell if someone is 100% red pill if he is not afraid to tread the "male chauvinist" and "misogynist" route.
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writeonbrother 10y ago
Thanks for the post. Having been born a man is the greatest gift I've ever received.
RedPillDad 10y ago
Men don't get any victim cards in their deck. Women get fuckin' aces.
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White Men don't get any victim cards in their deck. FTFY
Krelious 10y ago
I think the homophobia card exists
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Areimanes 10y ago
Asians are the 'wrong' minority. They just work hard and are very bright (average IQ is much higher in Asian countries than in Western countries).
garlicextract 10y ago
At least women of all races crave white cawk. Quit your bitching.
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Yeah, but also all men crave white pussy. Being the most advertised race is a double edged sword.
garlicextract 10y ago
Nah, it's an advantage to be white if you're a heterosexual male. Just enjoy it, I sure would if I was white.
elchoma90 10y ago
Unless you're black or Jewish.
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nduece 10y ago
Black men are the most vilified men in the country. Wtf are you talking about?
elchoma90 10y ago
Uhm... Not in my experience. Poor people and criminals are vilified and most blacks suck at not being poor and/or criminals (oh my so racist! Save it for someone who gives a shit please). But a black man with a good head on his shoulders? He gets to pull the racism card any time he wants.
nduece 10y ago
So beyond "pulling the race card". Please, please tell me what fucking advantages i have that you don't?
Wake_and_Poi 10y ago
Not my comment, but employment quotas, scholarships, and to elaborate on the race card a perpetual political correctness firewall with interchangeable victim status attachments. Also these are generalizations man. Nobody is calling you out specifically, chill out.
elchoma90 10y ago
SJWs defend you as much and as blindly as they do women. Exactly why you get to pull the racism card just as a women get to pull the I-have-a-vagina card. That's all I meant. It's come to the point in which it's impossible to criticize blacks and not be called a racist. Kinda how you can't criticize the feminist movement without being cataloged a misogynist. Except with blacks you don't need to address them as a culture, criticizing an individual will get you cataloged a racist.
666Evo 10y ago
Or criticising a religion like Islam... you must be a racist.
Not that that makes a lick of sense.
nduece 10y ago
If you're not black so how the fuck do you get to comment on their experience? Even as an educated black man I'm 7 times more likely to be shot by a cop than you are as a white guy. I'm not calling you racist. Just woefully wrong.
elchoma90 10y ago
I'm not white. I've seen black people pull the "it's cuz I'm black" card a million times.
Modified_Hackware 10y ago
I love it when they just presume that you're white.
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__ROOSTER__ 10y ago
40 times is probably more like it.
nduece 10y ago
So, by that logic it's OK for me to assume that all people of Arab decent are terrorists, correct?
Cyralea 10y ago
No, but terrorists are overwhelmingly of Arab descent. You do realize we deal with generalizations here, right? They're useful data points.
nduece 10y ago
So then I can safely assume that white males are pedophiles then. Thanks bud.
itsmehobnob 10y ago
You don't seem to understand cause and effect.
VinylGuy420 10y ago
No but cops are trained to be stereotypical, because there is a hair of truth in stereotypes. Who is most likely going to be a criminal, the guy blasting rap music in a lifted old Malibu with 30" rims or the guy driving the prius with a "my other kid is a yorkie" bumper sticker? I'm sure if you're an upstanding black American with a decent car who doesn't speak Ebonics, dresses nice, and is respectful you'd have no problem with the cops.
Trashy 'meth head lookin' white people get the same treatment as hood gangster black guy. It's all about poverty. The more impoverished the more likely it is you're a criminal. It just so happens more black Americans are in poverty.
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Areimanes 10y ago
Police brutality is out of control. Blame Obama and your politicians for victimless crimes.
That said, elchoma90 has a point: being a minority with an IQ >110 is a huge plus in this day and age - double points if you're a female minority. Companies will bend over backwards to hire you, just like they do with women. Quotas, groups, etc. You have it all.
loddfavne 10y ago
Black men seem to have a pretty bad time navigating the system. Just look at the penal system, the rate of education and average income. Still looks like being a white man is easier.
elchoma90 10y ago
So it is the white mans fault that blacks can't get their shit together after 3 generations of equal rights? This coming from a dark skin immigrant who applies the same logic to his people BTW. Just in case you want to accuse me of being a white supremacist. Listen, the reason so many blacks are poor and criminals is... Themselves! Remember that part of RP theory that states only YOU are to blame for what happens in YOUR life? Yeah that applies to negroes too.
Modified_Hackware 10y ago
A fellow black man sick to fucking death of his race's race to the bottom.
Was a good thread; more people should sub in there.
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loddfavne 10y ago
I understand what you're saying. The racism-debate is broken. What I think is that black men have a harder time, but the fault lies in their own choices. There might be something seriosly wrong with black culture. I believe black men need to distance themselves from those bad influences in order to succeed. I agree: It's the choices of individuals that matter.
elchoma90 10y ago
Only the ones following black "culture". A black man with a good head on his shoulders gets to pull the racism card. Hell I've seen scum pull it too though most people have noticed it is bullshit so it is not nearly as effective anymore.
Joelasaur 10y ago
What? I would not call 50 years more than a single generation, maybe two. And even though blacks were given the right to vote in the 60's, that does NOT mean they were immediately seen as equals. Racism is still alive and well; you are delusional if you think otherwise.
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MomoUnchained 10y ago
3 whole generations of equal rights isn't that much...
Black people were literally KILLED for learning to read when slavery existed. Just 2 generations ago black men in certain parts of the country would be lynched for talking back to a white person, looking at a white woman, or other minor transgressions.
Hatred of the black man and looking at the black man as inferior is institutional and generational. Your grandparents existed in a time period where it was the LAW that black people were inferior in every way.
That doesn't just go away because of an amendment to the constitution. Which is why the government had to implement things like affirmative action. Even though the black man had equal rights on paper, in practice he was still being discriminated against.
His schools and neighborhoods were still shit. Cops still hated him. It was still just as difficult for him to get his foot into the door in business and real estate, white people didn't want to hire or work with him, etc.
This has nothing to do with trying to land blame, this is pure historical fact.
bicepsblastingstud 10y ago
History has far fewer "facts" and far more "trying to land blame" than either of us would like to believe.
elchoma90 10y ago
2 generations ago? I call bullshit. Blacks don't have an excuse anymore. Yet here you are defending them. See what I mean when I say they get the same benefit than women? SJWs defend them just as much. It's gone so overboard talking negatively about them, in a non racist way, is seen as racist. Kinda like pointing out the obvious fallacies of feminism makes you a misogynist.
MomoUnchained 10y ago
My grandma went to school during segregation. The War on Drugs began as a war on blacks. The Civil Rights Act was less than 50 fucking years ago.
In what plane of existence do blacks have the same opportunities as whites?
The class and race issue cannot be divided. All men are not created equal. Blacks are typically starting from the bottom. Less education, broken homes, higher crime, worse neighborhoods. There's experiments that job applications with identical qualifications but one has a "white" sounding name and one has a "black" sounding name, that the white name will have significantly more responses.
This is why the issue is generational. When the generation prior has been fucked, it makes it more difficult for the next generation. When did I call anyone racist? Why is it racist to point out inequality? You're just as disingenuous as the SJW's you choose to villify when you pretend that "equality" is real. We're not all equal and we never will be. Some of us are hindered by factors we can't change. Pretending blacks have no disadvantages in American society is as silly as saying short guys have no disadvantages in dating.
Its gotten so ridiculous that anyone pointing out the socioeconomic factors that effect blacks to this day, that they're called a SJW. How edgy of you.
elchoma90 10y ago
Immigrants come from worse shitholes most of them without a work permit yet somehow they make it; some make it BIG. What's the black mans excuse? They get all the legal benefits any American citizen gets. Immigrants don't then welfare and section 8... Yet somehow they make it. Blacks speak English, immigrants need to learn it and are openly discriminated for not speaking proper at first. So how come these people make it while blacks sit and bitch about the man? Blacks have victim mentality. That's their problem.
MomoUnchained 10y ago
I agree.
The American black's main problem is their mentality. My parents came from West Africa with nothing but the clothes on their backs in the late 80's. My dad worked security and my mom was a nanny to make ends meet. 15 years later they had built careers in the medical field, bought and developed real estate, ran businesses, etc.
I absolutely believe the illness of the American black is his mindset. I hate the victim mentality and the mindset it creates I even have a blog post about it.
But I dont understand why its bad to point out the factors that have contributed to this "nigga syndrome" as I like to call it. Its a simple observation of the conditions that have produced the state of modern American blacks.
elchoma90 10y ago
Nothing wrong with that, but you make it sound like that still applies and its the reason blacks stay down in society.
nduece 10y ago
Exactly. This is one of my favorite subs. But more and more lately I see that the redpill is jusr for people who aren't black.
IllimitableMan 10y ago
The red pill is for men. Period.
MomoUnchained 10y ago
Yet some men do not want to acknowledge or admit that other men may have issues obstacles that they do not.
Its one thing to tell me I'm accountable for my own lot in life.
Its another thing to flat out deny that blacks on average, face more obstacles in life socially and economically than whites.
If we're all men no one should have their face in the sand like an ostrich.
fydorm 10y ago
Nature benefits by experimenting with men. Since one man can have children with multiple women, it furthers the survival of the species to have high variance among men. The top of the pack spread their genes, and natural selection is sped up significantly faster than if there weren't outstanding men.
Traz_Onmale 10y ago
If only the top men reproduce, you'd expect less variance, not more.
el_beso_negro 10y ago
No it doesn't, its that selection that allows a population to drift and favor certain traits over others. If there weren't any pressures selecting for a trait, you would have no significant change.
fydorm 10y ago
There's more variance in men. This allows women to choose men who are significantly better than most other men. If there was less variance in men, women would all have average men, and it would take longer for good genes to propagate.
Traz_Onmale 10y ago
There is more variance in men, but if only a small subset of men produced offspring you'd expect less variance. If women were more likely to reproduce than men you'd expect more variance in women.
This higher variance in men must be caused by something else then. Perhaps men who deviated from the men's mean had more chances of reproducing compared average men than women deviating from the women's mean did compared to average women. A smart man has an advantage over an average man, a smart woman does not have an advantage over an average woman. Also, a man can be dumb as a door, if he's a good warrior he'll be able to spread his genes far and wide.
fydorm 10y ago
That's what I was trying to say, thank you for rewording it more clearly.
alisonstone 10y ago
Men do have a higher rate of genetic drift because the Y-chromosome does not have the redundancy of an X-chromosome. I believe that historically, a large percentage of men (I read that it was as high as 40%) failed to reproduce, but that is certainly not true any more.
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favours_of_the_moon 10y ago
For me it's about having personal integrity.
For a woman, that's an absurd concept. As a man, (as a REAL man,) you can't do without it.
There are many ways to cheat, bullshit and have your way. We can't do that.
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jrr6415sun 10y ago
you guys really believe that being a woman is easier than a man?
Sure attractive women have it easy, but as women grow older they become less valuable. As men grow older they become more valuable. It is common for 40 year old men date 25 year old women. You rarely see it the other way around.
Men are more respected in the work place, make a higher wage on average, they are less likely to be taken advantage of at stores like car dealerships. Men have it so much easier in almost every way.
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I think life as a man is hard because you are fundamentally alone. If you're up, you have friends, and you have women. If you're down, you fall alone. Male friends do not tolerate weakness, females despise it. You fall, people steer clear; around you, a big empty circle forms.
LaFontaine has a fable about an old lion, too weak to stand, being kicked by a donkey. That's how it is. No mercy. If a man falls, he'd better find his feet again fast, or he'll be kicked to death. Or in the best of cases, left alone.
Women have no idea what this is all about. Sure, they age, they lose their looks, they stop getting preferential treatment after a couple of decades. Even so, they have a social network to commiserate with them, to share stories, to find mutual comfort, It's never going to be the absolute solitude of the old lion.
Gunseng 10y ago
Men are more respected at work and earn more money on average because they work more on average and choose higher paying professions. I have no idea how often people get fooled when buying a car, but I doubt that these three examples show that men have an easier life "in almost every way"
ch4os1337 10y ago
Guys, don't just downvote this. Actually fuckin reply so something good can come of it. I'm about to pass out (5:30 am) but hopefully someone else can explain.
Iswearbyapollo 10y ago
Women are not entitled to any part of my pain or struggle. I keep frame because they don't deserve better.
It is the one thing they cannot take away or corrupt, because they lack the insight into its value.
cipahs 10y ago
I joined the army to pay for school. I joined a fraternity in a southern college to get connections (it was way worse than bootcamp).
SubtleObserver 10y ago
As someone who was not in a fraternity why was it way worse than bootcamp?
Where a lot of your mates a bunch of those one uppers and try to tare you down for stuff you accomplished?
cipahs 10y ago
Just research fraternity hazing methods and the pledge process
CornyHoosier 10y ago
This is the dark truth behind being a man. While it may be fun and games for some, most of us will fail and die badly ... and no one will ever care.
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I can't say whether its harder or easier, I've only ever been a man. I feel accurate in saying its different.
This is one of your weaker posts