Men widely understand that status is attractive and they try to show that they are high status in a variety of ways – but few men understand that trying to seem high status actual reveals low status.
Take, for instance, my old roommate who told every girl he met that he was a Raytheon engineer.
On a surface level, telling women that you have a good career should impress them, but on deeper level it does the opposite – the fact that you’re trying to prove yourself implies you don’t believe it’s obvious that you’re awesome.
Because of this, high status isn’t something that gets communicated through what you say as much as it gets communicated through how you carry yourself.
As men, we tend to focus on the logical layer of social interaction, but women don’t care about the logical layer, they care about the emotions you are subcommunicating.
So, what is subcommunication?
Defining Subcommunication
Anything that is implied rather than overtly said.
For example, if you were to tell a girl you’re a great kisser, but your voice quivered and you looked away as you said it, the subcommunication is that you don’t believe what you’re saying.
Subcommunication is important because the female brain has evolved over a very long time: although language has only existed for about 60,000 years, our ancestors have been having sex for over half a million years.
That’s why the primary triggers for sexual desire are not verbal, they are preverbal: they are subcommunicated. They are the behaviors that attracted prehistoric women to prehistoric men hundreds of thousands of years ago (see, https://redpilltheory.com/2018/12/16/what-are-women-attracted-to-the-truth-about-social-status/)
So, what are the preverbal indicators of high status?
Anything that shows you are indifferent to the possibility of rejection.
See, when you’re interacting with someone who has higher status than you, you have reason to worry about that person rejecting you – their opinion of you matters because they have power over you.
Yet, if you are interacting with someone who has lower status than you, there is no reason to care whether they reject you, you know that you have more to offer them than they have to offer you.
When you are unafraid of being rejected, your subcommunications will reflect this: your voice, body language, and eye contact will project confidence. Learning to adopt high status subcommunication will fundamentally change the way women (and people in general) react to you.
Partly, this comes with practice: the more women you approach, and the more rejections you face, the less you will care about getting rejected (so long as you don’t self-victimize). But you can also supplement this with conscious practice.
The following are the four most important aspects of high status subcommunication.
1. Your Body Language Is Open and Expressive
High status body language is defined by a willingness to take up space, unhesitant movement, expressive gesticulation, animated facial expressions, and comfort with using physical touch (this isn’t to say you have to be physical, but that you are unafraid of doing so).
In contrast, when someone believes they have low status, their body language becomes closed (arms crossed, holding a drink against their chest), they touch their own face and neck, they are afraid of using touch, they are uncomfortable with being touched, and their gestures and facial expressions are reserved.
These differences are guidelines rather than hard rules (I.E sometimes a high status person will put their hands in their pockets or cross their arms).
Pay attention to your overall pattern of behavior rather than isolated examples of low status versus high status body language.
If you notice yourself in the above description of low status body language, conscious practice can help you improve your nonverbal communication over time. You can learn to take up more space, to gesticulate more boldly, etc.
It can help to make this into a daily practice: take two minutes to walk around with your body language as confident as possible. If you’re unsure what your body language should look like, study examples from films and popular culture (like Brad Pitt in Troy or Fight Club and Daniel Craig in James Bond).
Look at how these high status men carry themselves and do your best to replicate aspects of this in your daily practice. Don’t attempt to be a copy of one particular person, simply find points of inspiration from men who exude confidence in the way they carry themselves.
When working on your body language in this way, it is important to understand that you may get worse before you get better.
The act of changing your body language can lead to a temporary increase in self-consciousness “Is what I’m doing weird? Are people judging me?”
But if you persist through the initial discomfort, the changes will become natural to you and you will begin to notice people responding to you in an increasingly positive way.
2. Your Eye Contact Is Unwavering
Holding eye contact with someone creates a certain pressure – when that pressure becomes too great, we look away. This pressure we experience is an emotional representation of our desire to show submission. That’s why holding strong eye contact is a powerful sign of dominance (I.E. high status).
Eye contact, by itself, can spark sexual attraction. In fact, scientific research has shown that eye contact is so powerful it can cause complete strangers to fall in love (Why Women Have Sex, Pg. 4).
To communicate showing high status through your gaze, practice holding eye contact with women (or anyone you interact with) until they look away. Once they look away, you can look away as well.
This strategy ensures that your eye contact will be stronger than the women you meet while not being so strong that it makes people uncomfortable.
The power of eye contact cannot be overestimated, mastering this will create many opportunities with the women you meet.
3. Your Vocal Tonality Projects Dominance
The tonality of your voice can communicate that you are a confident, high status guy. Similarly, it can also reveal that you are insecure and feel unworthy of the girl you’re talking to. The sound of your voice reflects how you feel about yourself – it can either be a powerful asset or a terrible liability.
What makes a voice attractive?
More than anything it’s the emotions it projects – dominance, positivity, passion, and carefreeness are all attractive in a voice whereas submissiveness, apathy, sadness, and reactiveness are all unattractive.
Our voice develops over the course of many years: our tonality is basically a habit. Because of this, we become comfortable with our voice, and attempting to change it can be stressful, it’s like swimming against the current.
Despite this, changing your voice is worth the effort: vocal tonality is one of the most powerful ways we signal whether we have high or low status.
I’ve linked a post below that explains, in-depth, how you can make your voice more attractive: https://www.forums.red/p/TheRedPill/6856/how_to_seduce_women_with_the_power_of_your_voice
4. You Are Unfiltered
Being unfiltered is highly attractive to women.
When you are unfiltered, it is implied that you are comfortable with the possibility of being rejected, and therefore, you must have high status(1).
When we use a conversational filter, an idea of something to say will come to us, but before we say it, we think, “Is this thing interesting enough to say to this girl?”
Or, “Will saying this offend her?”
These thoughts are a reflection of our belief that we are not good enough for this girl by default, we are only good enough if we do and say the right things.
It can be hard to determine whether you are filtering what you say because this process largely happens subconsciously. However, there are two obvious signs that you are being overly filtered:
A.You have trouble thinking of things to say when talking to an attractive woman.
If you run out of things to say, it’s not because you are uninteresting, it’s because you are filtering all the things you would normally say as ‘not good enough.’ Do you run out of things to say when you’re talking to a close friend?
Probably not.
The difference is you’re not worried that your friend might reject you – there’s no reason to be overly filtered in what you say.
B. You are completely inoffensive
Do women ever disagree with you or get mildly offended by something you say?
If not, that’s a sign you are filtering yourself too much. Now, you shouldn’t be constantly offending women or getting into arguments, but you should be occasionally saying something that causes a bit of friction.
Being unfiltered is a counteruintive idea, you’re basically making yourself less likable to make people like you.
The reason it works, though, is that when someone cares too much about being liked by others, we feel a gut-level disrespect for them.
We know that this person is being fake, that they are doing what we want them to do rather than being authentic: we can’t trust them and we can’t help but feel they are somehow beneath us.
Wrapping Up
The four strategies above will make women feel, on a subconscious level, that you are man of high status.
This isn’t something you accomplish by learning some lines or by telling DHV stories, it’s accomplished through your subcommunication. Remember, your subcommunication will largely correct itself as you approach more women and get comfortable with rejection through facing it.
But putting a conscious effort into improving can help accelerate your progress IF you are taking action.
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INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
These thoughts are a reflection of our belief that we are not good enough for this girl by default, we are only good enough if we do and say the right things.
I like that part. Scripts, tactics, routines, bullshit...can enforce limiting beliefs. They can create rules, which enforce low self esteem.
'I am only good enough IF I get this script, tactic, routine, character right''.
We become filtered and inauthentic. I am only good enough IF I get the performance right.
Instead of, I am good enough as I am, so let's get real.
For SOME guys, Redpill and pua tactics enforce low self esteem.
Aghayden 5y ago
Thanks man.
Yeah, it's not that tactics reinforce low self esteem for for all guys. You can reach a point in self-esteem where techniques no longer are a form of overcompensation, but if you're not at that point and you try to use them they'll probably backfire.
INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
I agree. Definitely not all.
But that underlying rule of 'I have to get these tactics right to be any good', does reinforce low self esteem. A guy is believing it's the perfect tactics only, and not him, that attracts the woman.
A better belief is 'I'm going to use some tactics, but fuck it if I mess up a bit, because I'm totally enough as I am'.
ChrimsonChin988 5y ago
Useless post.
This is PUA stuff. Instead of focusing on subcommunications and tweaking it in such a way to fake high value, focus on BECOMING HIGH VALUE.
It is good to be aware of subcommunications and use them to your advantage but it can't be the foundation of your game. Then it's just a gimmick and fake.
Long-term you're far better off working on yourself and becoming a high value make. These unconscious tendencies will develop organically.
To study and Excell at subcommunications is the cherry on top of the pie. But first you need a pie.
Aghayden 5y ago
Calling it "faking high value" is a straw man argument unless you provide a sound definition of what real versus fake value is.
I don't see any reason that emotions aren't by themselves a real form of value. Learning how to do things that spark emotion (I.E. eye contact, being unfiltered) is simply a way to project that type of value.
It's fine to criticize, but at least have an intelligent logical argument behind what you're saying rather than just parroting ideological platitudes.
You're also creating a false dichotomy: nowhere did I say you shouldn't work on yourself in general as a man, you definitely should imo. Just because I say one thing is useful, doesn't mean I'm implying related methods are not also important.
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Good post, but this isn't really specific to being "high status". What you're describing is just general "alpha" behaviors.
Point #1 is about confidence, #2 and #3 are about dominance, and #4 is about abundance mentality.
"High status" is more concerned with the external factors that surround you like your job, wealth, popularity/fame, leadership/authority you have, what people say about you, the clothes you wear and car you drive, where you live. It's not about your actual behaviors.
monsieurhire2 5y ago
Eh.
Every single one of these can be problematic.
Gesticulating and taking up space = you are a "spazz" who can't control himself;
Unwavering eye contact = aggression, naked sexual interest, you are a stalker, you are attempting to dominate another person, which then invites them to resist you in some way, either to your face, or more problematically, behind your back;
Vocal tonality projects dominance = you are loud;
The problem with these approaches is that they are WAY to obvious. When you enter into a social situation and try to dominate, you practically are inviting people to band together and resist your domination attempt.
Note:
I have been this person, though mostly due to a lack of self-awareness, and a poor attempt to emulate a certain kind of male archetype that, unless you already a high value male, is difficult to impossible to emulate, because you haven't EARNED the right to behave that way. It's all very well to try and think like and behave like a king, but if you aren't actually king, you come across as Dwight Schrute!
And when I was in my loud, aggressive unfiltered phase, I was also on the receiving end of the sandbagging from the people I was supposedly dominating. They would basically just listen, smile, nod, then exchange knowing glances. This was there way of countering an attempt to dominate them. Cultures produce conformity, and the stray individual gets hammered down if they deviate too much from the cultural norms.
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Alternatives:
Try to befriend and disarm. It's way better to have "friends" who are in your corner than have irritated people pushing back at your attempts to AMOG them. Use humor. Always interpret anything potentially offensive as non-offensive in replies. This sub-communicates that you are not someone who will take verbal bait and lose their cool.
Never lose you cool. Always maintain a relaxed, bemused smile on your face. If someone says something to try and subtly rattle at you, literally interpret it as a hilarious joke;
If someone directly insults you, turn it back around them and ask them where this is coming from? Why are they so upset that they would say such a thing? Make them and their inappropriate behavior the new focus of the conversation, but in a relaxed, but concerned manner. If you're not doing anything to directly offend anyone, there would be no need for anyone to insult you.... unless there is something wrong with THEM.
Try to get people to relax and lighten up around you. This adds value. Try to get them to open up about themselves.
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Exactly, if we were to pay attention to all these subtle cues consciously when talking, we are unable to achieve immersion and presence, which is very important in social interactions.
Focus on the actions (lifting, making more money, having awesome hobbies) that lead to these consequences. Incongruence between our actions and beliefs is bound to show up, and is highly off-putting.
Coming from a guy who has also tried all these behaviours to be mocked behind my back by many people in my college. I'm now taking the long road.
Papiless 5y ago
All of these are actually attractive if you have high SMV, good looks etc and you want to get laid. They may not be optimal in office settings or whatever, but they will defenitely help you get laid in a social setting. Girls are always two-faced about their interest in the alpha, they might very well bad mouth him to friends etc (same with betas who percieve you as a sexual threat), but they usually want to fuck that guy anyway. Sure you will be somewhat of a misunderstood character, but girls kinda dig that shit also since you are dramatic and intriguing.
" Cultures produce conformity, and the stray individual gets hammered down if they deviate too much from the cultural norms. " This has nothing to do with getting laid. Stray individual is still sexy because he speaks his mind - but it might isolate you outside of getting pussy.
It is not an optimal strategy outside of getting short-term pussy, as you will be too much (too obvious) of a threat to the existing social order in most settings.
monsieurhire2 5y ago
I'm not saying you or OP are wrong, just that nothing is every that cut and dried in human relations, because we can never fully see what is inside another person's mind.
I adopted some of those mannerisms because I would see them in film, and the film hero, a stand-in for the neurotic writer's wish fulfillment, or a stand-in to the target audience of lonely, awkward, neurotic young men with a little extra cash, would get the girl. IRL, they would alienate people, or attract people that I found unattractive. And then I noticed that the behaviors were actually just unattractive, and that I was modeling unattractive behaviors that were advertised to me, and that there were also underlying psychological reasons for this, like my fear of knocking some girl when I couldn't support a family.
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_l_u_l_ 5y ago
Medium is the message.
TheRedPillRipper 5y ago
Ah good ol’ Raytheon. Heard they recently had a merger of equals too.
Congruent Covert Communication. Simple and effective. Good Post OP.
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To sum this post up: be genuine. Be true to yourself and your wants/desires and let that show in your interactions. DGAF what any one else will think about your opinions and you will be respected for it. Respect>likability
Shieldless_One 5y ago
For some people. For other guys being genuine means slouching, talking softly, etc. its like the age old advice “be yourself”, yes but really you want to be your best self.
Heizenbrg 5y ago
It’s very hard for a lot of people, in America you kind of learn to NOT be genuine, I don’t know how that came to be
party_dragon 5y ago
Sure, “just be yourself” is obviously the best advice ever. /s
Atheist_Utopia 5y ago
be the best version* of yourself
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Well some people don't seem to know how to be themselves and filter their thoughts through what they deem "socially acceptable," which for Beta Billy's is a world view that leads them to a lot of rejection.
Hjalmbere 5y ago
Goes against the 48 Laws of Power (see sidebar). Thinking specifically about laws 12(selective honesty) and 38 (think as you like but behave as others). Also, based on personal experience I would say you pay a price if you’re honest to a fault.
Papiless 5y ago
Well the 48 laws of power is not about attracting girls though is it? Are we discussing sexual strategy or corporate strategy?
miserablesisyphus 5y ago
I don't understand, I followed this post, went up to a hot girl at the gym, spread my legs on the bench next to her to show dominance, looked her dead in the eyes and unapologetically said "let's go back to my place and fuck". I've been banned from that gym...
greenlittleman 5y ago
There should be balance between being honest and being socially calibrated. In fact it is very obvious thing to anyone. Change "and fuck" to "to watch netflix" and it is already socially acceptable and highly effective.
edge_lord_super_17 5y ago
Why would you pull ass ina gym tho?
868-hack 5y ago
^ This.
Always consider the company you're in. At a previous job, I made an unnecessary enemy by saying Trump had an effective and smart presidential campaign. This was not an acceptable opinion in that group of people, and one guy especially took it as a personal offence. Another time a woman tried to get me fired for having "misogynistic opinions."
There's a time and place for everything, and the best strategy is to be a kind of a social chameleon. Project a DGAF attitude but absolutely do pay mind to how people see you.
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Leonidas_79 5y ago
Inb4 someone goes:
“sTop tElLiNg peoPle tO LifT!¡!”
moronthatlater 5y ago
A lot of the sub communication is ambiguous. Being the first to break eye contact is not necessarily a bad thing nor does it signal submission.
Not holding eye-contact or being the first to break-off eye contact can also signal contempt for the person you are talking with, or at a minimum signal contempt for what they are saying/how they are acting. It can be interpreted that you are “looking for the door” or “aren’t interested in the conversation or topic” anymore, and don’t have anything to gain by continuing to interact with someone of a lesser status.
Breaking off eye contact first can be dismissive depending on context. In general really nice post OP.
scissor_me_timbers00 5y ago
Regarding voice: mine used to be fairly deep and masculine but since I’ve been on TRT it’s gotten higher. Like what it was around age 20. Anyone have experience with voice getting higher when on the juice?
GiannisRambo 5y ago
I started carnivore diet and working out 5 days per week. Each workout session 3 machines to full failure, and my testoterone went from 130 pgml to 157 pgml (free testoterone)
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Brutal13 5y ago
Strange. How is it possible that you get a higher pitch?
scissor_me_timbers00 5y ago
I don’t know, that’s why I’m asking around. It’s not that high. It’s not whiny or effeminate. It just sounds more like a young mans voice rather than a grown mans voice like I used to have. I really don’t know what could cause this cuz even when I keep my estrogen low it still is there.
ILikeToBurnMoney 5y ago
How do you get your TRT? From a doctor or via the black market?
scissor_me_timbers00 5y ago
I’m just juicing man. Black market. I run a dose that is probably too high for TRT but still a mild steroid dose of just test e. Been cruising on it for like 6 months. No problems.
-Pacer 5y ago
I would be careful man. For example if you were on 200mg Test e weekly. I would regularly check Blood pressure. Get regular bloodwork done and keep your Hematocrit in check. You may not feel it right now but a few years of Elevated test will not go unnoticed healthwise in the long run.
scissor_me_timbers00 5y ago
Thx for the advice. I gave blood 3 months ago to keep hematocrit down. When they tested it before getting the blood they said it was high but not too high. Bout to give blood again and get an independent blood panel as well for more indicators.
I also check my blood pressure at those grocery store stops and it reads high ish but not too high. I want to order one online to check it daily at home. If you’re aware of a good home bp monitor, I’m looking for one.
I was also taking 20-30 mgs of Cardarine daily for cholesterol level help and just general cardiovascular health. I’m cycled off that just this week tho.
What will a few years of elevated test do to me? In other words what am I risking? I’ve read some stuff but I’m curious your take.
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So would it be fair to assume that you can subcommunicate a level of high status even above your current status (to a certain extent) through practicing methods of subcommunication?
SeductiveComrade 5y ago
Very, this especially happens when smoking on weed. Not saying I suggest anyone too if it's not for you but I think THC allows us access to this subconscious/subcommunication level. It's how women communicate. They dont know how to be direct or logical. Their language is very indirect.
brogue123 5y ago
I can see what you're saying, and as far as this goes, I can see where you're coming from. But as for the deep, secret processes that dominate attraction, the level you are describing is not deep, mate. Not at all. It's maybe one millimetre deeper than the level of logic that you describe.
Simply put, there is something else going on, far deeper and more powerful than all of this. It is a very specific and real process which dominates all human behaviour to some degree, and is especially potent when it comes to what I suppose could best be called human courtship behaviour, by which I mean the deep biological shit in your brain and hers that's a thousand times more potent than social conditioning.
The problem is that the truth is a fucked up thing to know, and a fucked up thing to see. It's so much more painful and extreme than swallowing the reddest of red pills. It hurts to see it, so much that you need to seriously commit to looking at the truth no matter what, otherwise there really is no point in discussing it.
It's not some random theory, there's plenty of proof if you want it. But there is no point telling you unless you are a serious person. You have to decide that it's something you want to know, and force yourself to consider it. Not everyone has the strength for that. Do you?
greenlittleman 5y ago
I've read some of your comments, so your main idea is what "people do most things for the sake of their self-image", which is pretty much obvious fact, but there is nothing wrong with that and there is no problem here. So can you offer anything other than your preaching about morality?
brogue123 5y ago
You mean you've skimmed through some of my comments, and decided that I'm saying something that's obviously easy to dismiss, then you've dismissed it in a really shallow way so you can showboat to yourself about how clever you are?
Let me be really explicit. If you think my main point is "people do most things for the sake of their self-image" then you are an idiot. That is not what I am saying. Not at all. If you want me to take you seriously enough to actually engage with you, demonstrate to me that you're not just a child with access to a keyboard. Otherwise I'll just be repeating things you've ignored elsewhere.
greenlittleman 5y ago
I've read one of your long as fuck comment completely and I completely understand your point. But all you do is morally judging some facts about human nature which are obvious to anyone with biological background. We are humans, just primates, animals with more developed brains than most other species. On basic level everything in us is result of evolution and exist in us either because it was beneficial to reproductive success or survival, or at least didn't get in the way. So yeah, everything we do is mostly for the sake of positive self-image, but there is nothing wrong with that. Yes, we are just egoistic animals, but there is nothing bad about this fact. It is just how things are and you either adapt to it or bitch about it. There is no soul, no spirit in us, we are just bio-machines and it is liberating thing to know, not something to be sad about.
brogue123 5y ago
It is surreal to me that you think you understand my point, when your idea of what I am saying is staggeringly different from what I think is happening, and utterly, utterly wrong. Stop leaping to the assumption you have absolute understanding, so you can throw out some facile comeback and pat yourself on the back for being so clever. You are not.
What is happening to you, and to all of us, is massively, massively more extreme than you think. Your ideas are a tepid, beige, and tame. They are also not yours. You just sucked them up because they make you seem clever to yourself. Honest. Down to Earth. A sane and rational man, in your own eyes.
Feeding and maintaining this vanity seems to be your only agenda. To just grab a hold of whatever basic, atom-shallow interpretation of whatever you're looking at that convinces you, so you can admire yourself. I would put money on the fact that that is the only thing you have ever done psychologically. Regardless, unless you are willing to even admit to the possibility that you do not immediately understand exactly what I am saying (and you really, REALLY don't) then there's no point in me saying it. I honestly cannot be bothered trying to communicate something this extreme past vanity that intense.
The blunt fact is, it is terrifying to see what has happened to you. It is far less scary to switch it with something crayon-simple, tepid, unthreatening and facile like what you say here.
There is a truth far, far more extreme than anything have ever encountered. You do not know it. It is nothing like what you think it is. Nothing like it.
Something has happened to you. Seeing it is fucking scary. Really, really scary. But before you start whining at me because I'm not being clear enough, let me be clear about this: I will not waste my time trying to explain something terrifying to someone who does not have a pair of balls.
So what's it to be? I'm just flat not going to explain further unless you show some basic level of willingness to even attempt to comprehend what I have to tell you. It is very nasty, a lot nastier, crueller and colder than what you think it is. But if you want to scurry back into your coward's interpretation of this, you'll scurry away from anything I say, and so I just can't be bothered trying. Do you have a spine or don't you?
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greenlittleman 5y ago
If your "truth" isn't based on real science then it isn't truth, it is just delusion. Have you ever heard about scientific method? Everything what isn't based on it is bs by definition. There is nothing scary in reality or in facts, because world is as it is and if you understand facts you always can accept them. Whatever, you are either troll or really someone delusional, that is what really scary. No one will tell someone "reality is very scary.. if you aren't ready I wouldn't tell you this.. it is beyond our comprehension.. are you ready? Earth is GEOID! IT isn't flat and it isn't ball and it isn't sphere! Scary, right?", no. You either know facts and accept them or not.
brogue123 5y ago
What if it is based on science? What if I could scientifically prove it?
And mate, you say there's nothing scary in reality or in facts? So if you found out you had cancer in reality, you wouldn't find that scary because "world is as it is and if you understand facts you always can accept them." I mean.... fucking hell man. Like... wow. That's a chilling level of stupidity. It's also a facile understanding of life, reality and everything that tells me you are a shallow person who lives in his own safe little world in his own head.
I know something true, and provable, that you will weep to see. It will reduce you to agony and make you a little puddle of sorrow. It will terrify you. But there's no point in me explaining it while you're tripping over yourself to convince yourself there's nothing that could possibly scare you that you could ever see.
I think that in practical terms that is true, but not for the reasons you think. You think you can't see them because there are no real things that can terrify you. The truth is, you can't see them because you're a coward, and you run away into your child's version of truth and falsehood, safe from the scary things like the coward you are.
greenlittleman 5y ago
It seems you never heard about word "logic". Your "cancer" example is completely irrelevant to my argument. And you now claim what you have some scientific proofs after demonstrating your inability to make proper argument? You even can't get to a point. If you want to say someone what they have cancer you can just do it within one sentence. But you are unable to tell what is wrong with people no matter how many comments you make. There is nothing more "scary" than the fact what we all will die sooner or later and there is no afterlife with 99,(9)% probability. So even if I really learn what I have cancer then I just would be upset about things what I wouldn't be able to do later. So yeah, I will accept it. I already was in near death situation, but the only thing I felt was regret about all those things I wouldn't be able to do.
brogue123 5y ago
pinches bridge of nose
Goddamn you are an arrogant, arrogant child. Let me try again.
You are telling me I cannot possibly have anything to say before I even say it.
You are claiming this amazing act of psychic brilliance is due to how nothing real is scary. I point out that cancer is both real and scary and then you lose your fucking shit, and have a tantrum like a child about how just because you felt regret not fear facing your death, nothing real could be scary?
And you speak to me of logic?
Dude, trying to understand your reasoning is like trying to discern sense from a pile of spaghetti someone's spilled on the floor. You are an honest-to-God infant. You understanding of science includes naming it and little more.
But mate, let me be REALLY clear. There is NO POINT in me telling you what I know because you seem lost in a frenzy of disagreeing with everything that is not someone kissing your ass. You can barely comprehend the basic shit we're talking about here because you're so eager to disagree. You disagree with shit I haven't even said, for reasons that make no sense even on their own terms, and then ask me to lay out what's really going on?
Here's the thing. What's really going on with you IS upsetting. It WILL upset you. It is HARD to see for ANYONE because it is PAINFUL.
If you think this cannot possibly be, okay, put your money where your mouth is, shut the fuck up, and promise to give it a serious and fair hearing.
Trying to communicate this thing to someone is hard. Really, really hard. I know you're going to jump all over that and say that no truth is hard to hear, just as you somehow believe that no truth is scary (??). But you are wrong. Point blank, no messing around, you are wrong. What has happened to you is terrifying. Horrific. Upsetting. Agonising. Crushing. You think you know regret? If you HELP me, I can show you something that will throw you into a universe of it.
But I can't do it if you won't help me. I can't just say "this is the thing." I wish I could. It is the nature of the problem, the nature of the thing. If you haven't come across anything like this before, that doesn't mean it isn't real. It just means you haven't come across anything like this before.
I can and will show you what this is. But it is hard - for me. It is a huge investment of my time and energy. And if I'm doing that while all you can do is pick on ANYTHING you can find to tell me why there's nothing here to consider, then it's just not going to work. Even if you seriously throw all of your personal strength behind really, really seeing it, it still might slide away from you, but at least you would have a chance. So no, mate. I'm just not going to bother putting in the time and focus if all I get from you is sniping. It would be like trying to land a Boeing 747 under anti-aircraft fire.
So what happens next, bro? You gon' listen, or you gon' bitch?
greenlittleman 5y ago
Sorry dude, but you just trying to make me acknowledge you as figure of authority with some type of hidden knowledge, which you are not. You telling me about "how hard it is" but you already made three very long messages without actually getting to a point. First of all any knowledge should have a purpose. If your "hidden knowledge" can help people earn more money, get laid or be more happy then you are welcome to share it with everyone, if it really has value then you should do whole post about it and help countless people. Why not? Because you yourself acknowledged what your "hidden knowledge" can only help you bitching about how upsetting it is. And what most people wouldn't agree with you anyway.
Aghayden 5y ago
This seems a bit melodramatic but I'm always interested in new perspectives.
brogue123 5y ago
:)
This is something a little spicier than just a new perspective. It's more like pulling aside a curtain to see something on the other side so horrifying you'd do anything not to see it. It takes a commitment of serious courage and will. That's just the basic admission fee, because this thing it's a fucking bastard to look at. It really hurts. If you're not up for a serious push to look at something very, very intense inside yourself, then there's just no point in me tapping on this here keyboard. If you are, there is. Are you?
bluesnsouls 5y ago
So, what's the truth you're talking about?
brogue123 5y ago
Something very extreme. There really is no way to see it which isn't fucking upsetting. And I mean FUCKING upsetting. It's a hit. Also if you do see it, don't just run away and start screaming into a pillow. There is a solution, for real, so if you want to see the thing, okay, but you have to promise not to bail until you also hear why it has happened to you and how it can be addressed. That's all the disclaimers and caveats I can think of right now. But it is a bit of a fucking commitment from my side to try and explain this thing, it's a beast to get across to someone. I will do it, but only if you are up for properly fucking giving it a serious look. So.. in the words of Starship Troopers, would you like to know more?
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monsieurhire2 5y ago
Eh.
Every single one of these can be problematic.
Gesticulating and taking up space = you are a "spazz" who can't control himself;
Unwavering eye contact = aggression, naked sexual interest, you are a stalker, you are attempting to dominate another person, which then invites them to resist you in some way, either to your face, or more problematically, behind your back;
Vocal tonality projects dominance = you are loud;
The problem with these approaches is that they are WAY to obvious. When you enter into a social situation and try to dominate, you practically are inviting people to band together and resist your domination attempt.
Note:
I have been this person, though mostly due to a lack of self-awareness, and a poor attempt to emulate a certain kind of male archetype that, unless you already a high value male, is difficult to impossible to emulate, because you haven't EARNED the right to behave that way. It's all very well to try and think like and behave like a king, but if you aren't actually king, you come across as Dwight Schrute!
And when I was in my loud, aggressive unfiltered phase, I was also on the receiving end of the sandbagging from the people I was supposedly dominating. They would basically just listen, smile, nod, then exchange knowing glances. This was there way of countering an attempt to dominate them. Cultures produce conformity, and the stray individual gets hammered down if they deviate too much from the cultural norms.
punindya 5y ago
Haha, thought I had read these points before as well. Saw OP's name and it all made sense.
Just wanna say, you've got really helpful websites. Would love it if you could keep uploading YouTube videos more often. Cheers for all the good advice and help.
Aghayden 5y ago
Thanks man!
I actually have 4 videos ready to upload and plan on putting out content regularly starting this week.
chazthundergut 5y ago
Great content dude. Right on the money.
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ComplexProjection 5y ago
This long wall of text can summarized by BDE. Big dick energy. Look for it, women are crazy about it.
Behave like you know you have the biggest dick in the room.
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