For me, I grew up a nice guy. Trained to be a gentleman. I was told told the way to get a good girlfriend was to be nice and to support her. I was fairly smart, decent looking but not a Chad, and athletic but not the QB. Since there were no obvious deficiencies at first glance, I just thought (and was told) I needed to increase my chivalry and that would fix all my woes. After years of being chucked to the wayside either initially, or after a few weeks once my BP tendencies were noticed, I found the Red Pill.
If I had been extremely successful with women, then I would have bought the lie and thought those women actually loved me. If you are reading this, you are likely in the same boat. It is our imperfections that brought us here. The Chads that fall in Love haven’t woken up and realize the woman in their life only loves them for what they represent, not for who they are.
It is irrational to hate hypergamy since it is what awakens us to realize our own imperfections. If I had settled down right out of college and continued to believe in the myth then I probably would not be as proficient at the skills I have today.
After discovering TRP and transforming yourself into a better person, you begin to attract a better quality and higher quantity of women. But the irony is that once you’ve gone through this journey, you really don’t care for the females in the same way you used to.
To summarize, women should just be used as an indicator of progress. Not an indicator of success and they are definitely not the destination. Find your flaws and master them. But do this to become a superior man.
hazelstein 4y ago
BEAUTIFULLY added a minor change in my philosophy. Thank you so much for this.
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Everytime I hear the words "nice guy" I can't help but cringe, since I realised long ago that nice guy = dishonest psychopath. I know I used to be one. You are not nice because you are a nice guy. You are nice because you want to get into that girl's pants. A girl sees right through that and hates you for it. Its creepy. What you have to be with a girl is not nice, but act with honor, just like with men. Stop brown-nosing and be honest. A woman will appreciate directness and honesty in a man.
At the end of the day I realised that the problem is not women. Its with some of us. If you are fucked up, you will attract fucked up people and situations, period. Like David Goggins and many philosophers said: It all starts with YOU. Make a deep dive into your soul and fix the fucked up attitudes and beliefs. Then all of the sudden better quality girls and situations happen to you.
Shit attracts shit and greatness attracts greatness.
Look into stoicism, guys like David Goggins, etc.
Once you become an overman (which should be the goal for any man), you will laugh at the pathetic situations you encountered before.
daniellllllllllllll 4y ago
Stoicism, Goggins, Nietzsche - all will point a man towards a more successful life. Good comment.
ExDota2Player 4y ago
I ended up here because reddit wouldnt shut up about this sub a few years ago, so I was curious to see what was so bad. FYI if Reddit ever hates on something, that means you should look into it, that's what i've realized.
brogue123 4y ago
In seeking to be a superior man, as opposed to being one that gets all the women, You're swapping one kind of prison for another. It's so faustian.
Vanity is addictive. It is very powerful. It sucks you up inside it. You've spent so much time desperately chasing after women. Now you're desperately chasing after a man: that image you have of a superior you.
It is reality we should place at the centre of our lives, not the fictions we concoct of our own brilliance. When we do that, those fictions suck everything we hope and fight for into them, and eat us alive.
A self-centred life is a shit life, the life of a weak man who has no courage.
daniellllllllllllll 4y ago
Define reality then. What are you saying we should strive for specifically? Without knowing your answer yet, I am going to guess that my Superior Man aim can be aligned with whatever Reality means to you. A Superior Man operates in reality and maximizes its potential.
brogue123 4y ago
The idea of yourself as a superior man can have all sorts of different meanings, ascribing to different ways of being superior. Being more honest, more truthful, or more focused on reality are among these ways. If you change what you admire about yourself from admiring how you want power to admiring how you want truth, that's just more vanity. You've just changed the paint job. And of course, it's hollow, hypocritical shit. There's no honesty in it, no kindness, just a person worshipping themselves for something they're too wrapped up in their vanity to ever actually do.
IF there is nothing else but this, if there is nothing but just different shades of self-obsession, then it doesn't matter who we are and what we do. All that remains is that we pick the colours of the lie that will consume us.
Or....
We say that reality itself, not our ideas of it, is more important than our superiority. Not 'this' reality or 'that' reality, but actual reality, whatever it may ever be. And we live like this, devoted to the real, rooted in it, and humble to it. Utterly, fanatically humble. We follow it where it leads, whatever the cost.
daniellllllllllllll 4y ago
I feel like you have more to say but you’re still being very abstract. Can you elaborate/specify? Or if you can, point me towards some reading you’ve taken this from?
brogue123 4y ago
No book as yet. Not on this. But think of it like this.
There's reality as we experience it, and everyone fights over it. It's malleable as plasticine. What does this mean, what does that. Most people don't look beyond this. Most people can't.
But beneath all we know and believe is reality itself. The reality of everything and anything. The reality of women, the reality of men. The reality of hope and freedom, the reality of the chains that keep us all imprisoned in our fears and the bitterness that sets us at each other's throats.
If we take no interest in reality itself, but instead defend and maintain only the sliver we see, we are blind people. Blind people are easily lost and manipulated, easily fed upon, easily isolated.
But to say that reality, whatever it may be, is greater, better and more important than any of our understandings, that's when we can wrench ourselves away from those cages. Because if there is real hope it's to be found there, in the real. If we set ourselves above reality, by which I mean even when we protect our most cherished beliefs from interrogation, we live in a world of lies and suffer the consequences.
surethingjanet 4y ago
I know right... maybe the trp is just an antidote in the end.
OrzhovPalatine 4y ago
Same OP. Was a dorky nice guy/Male feminist who sucked with women. Had a good career and good money and was confused as fuck why I was getting treated like shit.
None of my friend circle could help and in my despair I found the PUA community, learned some things but realized there were gaps and there had to be a less time consuming way to get vagina.
Did some reading, overlapped with redpill and finally it clicked and I filled in my knowledge gaps from the PUA community.
Realized vagina wasnt that important anymore and I was walking around life blind.
Tutsks 4y ago
At this point I think the party van checks on anyone identifying themselves such.
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SalporinRP 4y ago
PUA can be good with the details of actually gaming women in person but it's woeful when it comes to the theory behind the behavior in my opinion.
OrzhovPalatine 4y ago
My problem was PUA doesnt teach you anything after the close. It doesnt teach you how to manage your girl. It's only a good starting point.
Also I would keep a journal and it bothered me how much time I was wasting just to get numbers.
I kept thinking, theres got to be a more efficient way to do this where i dont feel like a monkey at a circus.
Then I worked as a club promoter and it was effortless to get women. I was confused and wanted to learn more, stumbled into redpill and finally got all my questions answered.
SalporinRP 4y ago
Yep. The best solution is by having TRP theory as your foundation while employing certain PUA tactics into the actual gaming of women.
PUA can also just be a cover-up. PUAs can mimic alphas without actually self-improving.
The self-improving aspect is what made TRP stick out to me.
OrzhovPalatine 4y ago
The TRP is no doubt the foundation but I think for most guys we stumble into it without realizing it. Its why I see it as a terminal, a town square so to speak.
No matter what part of the manosphere you go to it all goes through TRP station at one point even if you dont notice.
The mimic problem was something I realized quickly. I would be able to get women but never keep them around, they would end up out of control and PUA didnt really have an answer for managing women.
I realized this "character" I turned myself into had to be constant. Just wasnt interested in it.
Yeah the self improvement angle answered one of my many questions because I felt annoyed I was basically playing a character to sleep with women.
When I was a club promoter I didnt have to work at all to get women. I didnt have a understanding of what I was doing but then through the self improvement aspects of TRP I could now conceptualize why I didnt have to do any work anymore.
Main things TRP answered for me was it gave me vocabulary and concrete concepts to explain stuff that was intuition based prior.
Like monkey branching, I knew it happened but I wanted a dry clinical explanation of it. TRP filled in all the gaps of knowledge i was struggling with when I was in the PUA community.
nobody_thinks 4y ago
it takes a lot of balls to admit this. cheers to you.
OrzhovPalatine 4y ago
I remember where I came from so I'm reminded how far I've come.
nobody_thinks 4y ago
that's an awesome way to look at it /u/OrzhovPalatine
albino_red_head 4y ago
we should all be able to admit this. Maybe not to a T but we all started somewhere, and ended up here.
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Me I was an attractive guy, muscles, and nice as shit. So nice (and oblivious) that having a girlfriend more than 3 weeks or 3 months was nearly impossible. Id found David D'Angelo out of college and got crackin'. Found TRP AFTER i got married. I've kept frame pretty well but there's just so much here and in hindsight I should NOT have gotten married. I'm saying that with a "perfect life".
nobody_thinks 4y ago
Well the grass is always greener. Glad you found the red pill and protect what you have /u/albino_red_head.
Mefic_vest 4y ago
Especially since male feminists are no different than Jewish Nazis or black white supremacists. They represent cognitive dissonance and the pinnacle of ignorance (either cultivated/intentional or uneducated/innocent).
nobody_thinks 4y ago
great point /u/Mefic_vest. It might have been better for me to say it takes a lot of humility and self awareness. cheers.
Mefic_vest 4y ago
I was thinking more of the mental distance needed to get from “male feminist” to “properly rational and educated male”. But either way, such a change is impressive; most men cannot make the whole journey. Hell, some cannot even begin it.
nobody_thinks 4y ago
the sad truth is that almost all Western men are male feminists, really they are almost gay. I mean that un-ironically. I had to live abroad to realize just how deep the cuckery goes.
letterhissilent 4y ago
No balls involved what so ever - just being red pilled finally.
baron_vladimir 4y ago
You need balls to become red pilled to begin with.
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greenlittleman 4y ago
Well, in fact you can kind of say what RedPill is real male feminism, if you consider it as advocacy for equality (which it is by definition, but not in reality). Equality comes from understanding truth and also shortcomings of each gender. Equality isn't about being same in everything, it is about understanding strong and weak points of everyone. Like in games there could be warrior class and mage class, equality isn't about making them do same thing, it is about allowing both classes do what they were meant to do effectively.
OrzhovPalatine 4y ago
I dont consider RedPill Male "feminisim". I consider its overlaps in the MRAs and MGTOW to be closer to that.
To me RedPill is the central terminal that links up all the other realms of the "manopshere".
the_Milkweed 4y ago
I think youre taking the statement too literally. He's speaking to what it represents, not that it is literally male feminism.
OrzhovPalatine 4y ago
It's a common narrative among detractors that the redpill and all its overlaps is basically a Male form of feminism, a reaction to womans lib.
At least when I was a Male feminist this was the narrative besides the usual they're all toxic, etc etc.
Thus I take it literal even if the context was an analogy.
the_Milkweed 4y ago
Only the sith deal in absolutes
OrzhovPalatine 4y ago
In that analogy the jedi are the blue pill
RightHandWolf 4y ago
Do what must be done, Lord Vader.
OrzhovPalatine 4y ago
Wipe them out.....all of them....
Cha_Cha_cho 4y ago
if you have money, fuck some whores and go your way.
Psycholephant 4y ago
I've been thanking my lucky stars since Ive been Red Pilled. Lord knows, if I had Chad genes, I would have certainly been weak and married some worthless hoe by now. Here's to being a late bloomer.
_A_L_3_X_ 4y ago
I remeber this one chick, hot af(9/10), wanting to nail me and me fucking it completly up by not realizing whats going on (she even brought me to her own fucking doorstep).
If there is one thing i will regret for the rest of my life, this is it. not having the balls to do the right thing when the time comes. Ive sworm myself to not repeat this, and have been improving ever since.
ologbeni 4y ago
How did you fuck things up?
_A_L_3_X_ 4y ago
I was too much of a pussy to just go for the kiss.
chazthundergut 4y ago
I ended up here because I have always been utterly spellbound by female beauty and hopelessly in love with women. I love the way their voices sound, I love the smell of their hair, I love the softness of their skin and the way their hips move when they walk. I love the way they play in the moment, their wildness and spirit.
I have always loved women. But I've always sucked with them.
I mean, I was REALLY good at building rapport and making friends with them. Really good at making them laugh and feel comfortable with me. Really good at building trust and emotional intimacy with them.
But completely incapable of getting a girl to have sex with me or be my girlfriend.
I will tell you what is demoralizing. When you are 27 years old, a virgin, yet many different women say "you're going to make SUCH a good husband some day" or "your future wife is a lucky woman!"
Nowadays, NO ONE says silly shit like that to me. Now instead of hearing about what a great guy I am, they say "I can never tell what you're thinking" or "I like that you have an edge, but I think it's too much" or "you're such an asshole"
Guess which version of me got more pussy
bjcm5891 4y ago
Even though I was a good looking guy and a great conversationalist, I had no balls. I had no male mentor figure in my teenage years who took me under his wing and showed me the ropes, nothing like that. So as you can imagine, I had plenty of girls interested in me but I'd always fuck it up or they'd see I couldn't give them what they were looking for and that would be it. By age 18 I'd become aware that there was something lacking in me, so I prayed that I would learn whatever I had to in order to become a man in the true sense of the word. I'd like to say it happened overnight but it didn't- years of dysfunctional attitudes and thinking are hard to unwire. 15 years later and here I am. The Red Pill is not a destination- it's a journey.
phenethyljammin 4y ago
Agreed.
Might as well call it The Red IV Fluid Solution Bag that slowly drips into your body through a catheter.
TheBearJew6779 4y ago
The part about a mentor figure really can't be stressed enough. My dad is a great guy and my best friend in the world, but he's got such bad social anxiety disorder that I learned absolutely no social skills from him whatsoever. What's worse, I grew up extremely isolated on my family's ranch in rural Texas. So I just didn't have the opportunity to really develop socially. When I joined the army I was a fit, athletic guy from a lifetime as a ranch hand, but I had zero confidence or knowledge when it came to women. I had a buddy who was actually a fair amount older than me (I was 20, he was 34) who took me under his wing, not only with chicks but just with life in general. My life remains so much better for having that dude as a friend.
FaP_caesar 4y ago
Aint it true that in Rural places the redpill style of life is the common ?
The Feminist and bluepill shit is more of a city phenomenom
Your_Coke_Dealer 4y ago
Yes and no. Rural areas don’t have as much interaction with new people as urban areas, so they harbor tradition better. This means rural areas have a greater tendency towards general conservatism, and traditional roles of men and women remain. In other words, men must provide and protect, women will more often be homemakers. To sum it up, you got tradcons, not “red pilled society”
But farm country still has the Internet, and Stacy the cheerleader still wants to fuck Chad, captain of the football team. Same as it ever was, almost. Hypergamy still exists in a farm girl, the alpha male still attracts more women. The only difference is that the disastrous open hypergamy and outright nastiness you get from urban women hasn’t reached there yet. In other words, you can’t expect women to not act as their nature dictates (AWALT), but you can avoid the adversity towards men that feminism instills. For now.
Mt43xl6701 4y ago
In my experience with a large rural family and community: yes. But that's just what I've seen
I also have a roommate from an even more rural community who is a total beta pussy so who knows. All I know is what I've seen
TheBearJew6779 4y ago
Feminism is seriously frowned upon; but chivalry is a big deal, especially in Texas. I wouldn't say that I was blue pilled per se, but I had some of those traits when it came to my interactions with women.
neomorphivolatile 4y ago
God, I hope this sub never gets the boot. It helps me so much.
HumanSockPuppet 4y ago
Make sure to bookmark our offsite backup, TRP.red
redpillcad 4y ago
Bitches are a lagging indicator
Tobe_Abetterman 4y ago
My story is different. I was literally an asshole and that made me really popular with women and feared by men. One unfortunate day, I went through a "spiritual awakening" and decided to be a genuinely better and kinder person and as you can guess, that's when shit hit the fan and I started going unnoticed like I didn't exist. I am now on my journey to find the perfect balance since I cannot go back to being the jerk I was.
scissor_me_timbers00 4y ago
This is a red pill in its own right. People do like friendly/kind people as long as it comes from a position of high social status. Otherwise they treat you poor. So the problem with the spiritual awakening thing is that it can lead you to behaving naively kindly which can cause others to assume a low social status of you and treat you like shit. I had to go thru this too. I also had a spiritual “awakening” (although I’m hesitant to call it that after the red pill insights), and it led me down years of more confusion and sexual failure. I was never an asshole before but I could’ve found socio sexual success years earlier had I not been led down the wrong path by this so called awakening. What turned it around was that it the years of underperforming in every aspect of life that resulted led me into such a suicidal pit that it allowed me to reverse my moral framing.
baron_vladimir 4y ago
Same thing with me. And to make it worse, I had my "spiritual awakening" thanks to a girl I was with for 8 years who was into new age spiritual things. Of course after I was brainwashed and became a "nice person" she dumped me, leaving me in a really bad place that drove me here.
Moldy_Gecko 4y ago
See, I went from nice guy to asshole after finding TRP and I still can't find that real balance. I don't really care if most of my relationships fail, I constantly use them and I've found I'm a lot more sociopathic/machiavellan than I thought I was. I'm trying to step back, but dunno how.
Warren_Bateman 4y ago
+1
I was an asshole who treated everything like it didn’t matter and fucked around. Started getting into all sorts of drugs and it took a month long painkiller addiction to pull me out. It’s been hard to keep straight, but keep on keeping on, brother.
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aGodofmyownmaking 4y ago
Oh man I did the same thing. Junior year of high school, I was pretty popular but a lot of people didn't like me too, so I decided to just be a nice guy, and goddamn did that fuck me up for many years and I'm still recovering. Unlike you though, I want to be like my old self but even more so. No apology, no mercy. I've had enough of being good.
ogkushinjapan 4y ago
The redpill is about balance, not extremism
Psycholephant 4y ago
I'd advise you to do a little more introspection because that sounds like you're headed for a pretty hollow existence. Life is beautiful when you cultivate healthy relationships. But if you truly feel that being an asshole is your life's mission, best of luck with that.
aGodofmyownmaking 4y ago
Oh, I guess I didnt make myself clear about how I was before. I wasn't a total asshole when I was younger but I did what I wanted and didnt apologize. I wasnt concerned with anyone's opinions of me, and it made me a lot of enemies. But now I know how to head off potential difficulties, but I'm still saddled with the agreeableness and self doubt that plagues nice guys, and I'm working on completely eliminating those two aspects of my personality. I can be kind and loving to people who are in alignment with me, but I come first now, and any good relationships with others come as a result of me being good to me.
nobody_thinks 4y ago
could you elaborate on how you used to be an asshole, what your "spiritual awakening" revealed and why you can't go back?
Tobe_Abetterman 4y ago
I was an asshole and that's it. I didn't care about how people felt and was on full energy mode 24/7 treating the people I didn't care about like shit and "pranking" and bullying them. Same for women, I was openly and playfully misogynistic in my behaviour and they liked it.
One day the only man whom I could call a real friend, passed away in a bike accident and I had to re-evaluate my life. I just wasn't the same anymore.
Candyman44 4y ago
It’s a wake up call when you have few true friends and their mortality is bluntly shown to you. I feel your pain man
baron_vladimir 4y ago
Dude now I read this after my other reply to your original comment. Shit. Part of me becoming a "nice guy" was due to my best friend committing suicide. Shit changes you for sure.
Hope you are doing well bro. Good luck.
nobody_thinks 4y ago
thanks for sharing /u/Tobe_Abetterman. May your friend rest in peace.
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Brilliant_Word 4y ago
OP, you're a virgin, aren't you?
daniellllllllllllll 4y ago
Yep! So are the other 450ish people that liked this post! You’re so insightful
Brilliant_Word 4y ago
A bunch of incels relating to one of their own doesn't mean I'm wrong.
daniellllllllllllll 4y ago
Nope, just definitively wrong. Nice try though
Emervila 4y ago
I'm thankful TRP opened my eyes and released me from all that pain. BP path is hurtful for men bc it restricts your skills and wishes to purse what can't be obtained "women's love" Chads and Tyrones only difference is they have the best drug which is sex to mitigate the pain and also to motivate the simp legion to keep simping to obtain it.
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I recently have a conversation with my mother about a girl, she asked If I as in love so when I told her how I think (not great not terrible/no oneitis/ etc) surprisingly she was happy, she even congratulated me for the way I now think, She is a conservative traditional old lady, but even her as a woman understood old way of thinking (BP) does not longer work for men and got really happy his son follows new better thinking (TRP)
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mohannslach 4y ago
I’m new to TRP, what does BP stand for?
TinchoReddit 4y ago
Welcome, go read the sidebar
mitchopatamus 4y ago
Blue Pill - beta bitch who lives in fantasy land and assumes by being a nice guy they deserve everything they want in life
Red Pill - being awakened to the reality of the sexual marketplace and accepting it for what it is
Read the sidebar
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teveza11 4y ago
In high school, was the "nice guy," did all the things my mom, TV, books, and intellectuals said I should do.
Kept striking out with every girl.
Saw all of my gangster/thug friends get the hottest girls.
Got some more balls and started approaching more.
Started getting girlfriends, even hot ones, but they would cheat, treat me bad or leave me.
Stopped being Mr. supernice, modern, male feminist when I realized it was causing a lot of my lack of success.
Approached more, learned how to talk to girls, how to act in relationships.
Got hotter girlfriends, hook ups, being treated better.
Too many opportunities with girls to count, right now in a great LTR.
THEN, I discovered the thing called the Red Pill and post here to share my insight and fine tune what I know.
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In reality, my journey away from being "blue pilled" began when I was about 16, by 18, it was pretty much completely gone because of so many experiences.
nofap2010 4y ago
This is my learning and it may not be aligned with red pill.
I was like you too, but not because I was trained to be like that, one could say there was enough bad input but I was like that because of a perfectly normal assumption that goodness begets goodness. World will call you naive and foolish for believing that and it's probably right. But it's not for your fault, the world is evil, that's it's nature, I'm not blaming the world, but simply recognising it for what it is.
Though there was another aspect to my shortcomings, I put the female gender on the pedestal because my mother never loved me. So I ached for that primal comfort. That made me needy and obviously fail.
I internalised these failures as shame, like fatal flaws, but they were not my flaws, I was given a bad hand in this world.
Red pill did work for me when I was naive and kinda obsessive about getting laid. And then it didn't. The moment I came in terms with the core of my problems, absence of maternal love or some would call it abuse (even sexual abuse) - it all made sense, the burden of guilt and shame was lifted. So I automatically stopped being the nice guy. But I was still the good guy and I realised that I don't want sex on tap, that was never my goal.
I'd never have been able to reach this nuanced level of personal understanding without Jesus. One may redicule Christianity, because it means hundred things to hundreds of people, but it did save me and gave me accurately what i needed, it didn't give me what everybody believes a man wants. This satisfaction from life is precious.
Is that internal game? Self actualisation? I don't know. Maybe.
diceblue 4y ago
The superior man is my favorite rp book.
MyReddit6 4y ago
But if you're leading a kickass life and improving, staying in shape, honing hobbies and hustling - wouldn't what "you represent" be qualities like determination, hard work, ZFG, skillfulness and charisma? If that's the case, then aren't those qualities "you."
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That's a good thing. She might only love you "now" - however, a solid chic will bring out and motivate those best qualities in "you."
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letterhissilent 4y ago
More like you started playing with balls.
malemedicine 4y ago
Sounds familiar. Understanding progress is never easy.
ZealousFeet 4y ago
"Indicator of progress, not success."
I like this. Easy reading as well. Thanks.
Kingzumar 4y ago
For me was 3 years ago when i had a ltr and got to know things about her sluttypast from other people, i didn’t even ask for it. It made me feel so bad so i was searching for solutions and came to the redpill. Oh Boy was this an Eyeopener back then that i didn’t really want but needed :D
Also slowly the other thing started to make sense.
The thing was i was an asshole till like 18years and never had big problem with women, but then somehow my sister and mother talked to me i have to treat women better Ahahahaha you can imagine what then came, nothing worked anymore with women, lot’s of sadness and heartbreak lol. Can’t even listen to the family when its about women....
Nicolas0631 4y ago
Some men in TRP entertain the delusion that some love inconditionally. This doesn't exist. Whoever is supposed to be the loving one, man, woman, child, parent, a friend, this simply isn't the case.
When everything is fine, there shared interrested then we might think it is the case. But it is enough for the situation to change a bit to see how far it is from the truth.
And honestly, asking for inconditional love is being an asshole. It clearly stipulate that you can do whatever and that the other has to comply regarless, being considered as a slave or a thing rather than a being with free will.
You'll find some that will say that yes men will still love their woman if they become bitchy, severly obeve, cheat openly, go to jail, kill people, want their child to transition and of course divorse rape them... That they would still love them regarless until the end of time. Pure bullshit.
Auvergnat 4y ago
You don’t seem to understand the criticism you’re receiving so I’ll take a turn at trying to explain it to you.
You seem to entertain a worldview where a man can be judged on a spectrum from “flawed” to “perfect”, and that women’s sexual nature is to prefer men tending towards “perfect”, and therefore a man’s sexual success is an indicator of his position on the “perfection” spectrum.
How then do you explain that ex-convicts, “assholes”, “jerks”, and other people with psychopath tendencies are so successful with women? Are dark-triad traits the measure of “perfection” of a man?
TRP reveals that a husband who is lovingly committed to his woman and kids risks seeing her losing interest in him, while the husband that applies good dread (hinting at her that other women find him attractive and hat he could jump ship anytime) will see her interest in him maintain at high levels. Does this mean that a “perfect” man is a man that covertly threatens to abandon his family?
You see, the reality is that women’s sexual arousal is not for “perfection” in a man but for a specific set of physical and behavioural traits (which we call “alpha” or “masculine”) that may or may not fit some moral standards. That’s the explanation behind the TRP motto “sexual strategy is amoral”. There is no inherent morality or lack of in humans’ sexual buttons. They just are.
What you’re doing is that you’re letting your deep, instinctive need for “self-improvement” colouring your interpretation of TRP. You need to resist that. TRP does nothing but telling you the naked (and often dark) truth of women’s sexual attraction principles. A lot of those truth are NOT about you being “perfect”. A main one, for example, is that you should treat her like your bratty young sister, because women deeply crave being submissive to a dominant man. And there’s a lot of ways to be dominant that you would struggle to call “perfect”.
You’re free to continue “self-improving” into becoming a “perfect” man, whatever that is to you... but hypergamy doesn’t care about what you think is perfection. Hypergamy will continue wanting to fuck what it wants to fuck, and continue wanting to exploit what it wants to exploit.
22Luika 4y ago
You are a fucking goldmine.
HumanSockPuppet 4y ago
Guys coming in here thinking "TRP is about self-improvement" is the most common misconception.
It's only a coincidence that many of the qualities and habits TRP promotes for the purpose of SMV improvement fall under what most people consider to be self-improvement. And those same people who cling to the self-improvement aspects of TRP conveniently ignore the SMV-improving strategies which are based on more "ignoble" tactics.
chazthundergut 4y ago
Thanks for explaining this to him
daniellllllllllllll 4y ago
Appreciate the input. This is a helpful response, unlike the others that don’t explain their own criticisms. Maybe I came across that way, but I don’t think perfection is the goal. I did use he word imperfections. Perhaps I should have used “non-alpha traits” instead?
I do think setting a high goal for yourself will help you out overall and put you in a better station in life. And by default, this can set you up for better sexual success. But in now way am I saying it guarantees it. The assholes usually don’t put women on a pedestal and that is what should be learned from them. Don’t learn to just be an asshole alone. Before I adopted RP strategies, my old roommate used to be a lot more successful than me despite me being way better on paper, even in looks. But he literally did not give a fuck and this drew women to him. When I developed these skills myself, my numbers began to shoot up.
ShimaRoosman 4y ago
I have no idea how I ended up here, haha
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I was the lucky one, grew up with a dad that was old Special Forces Marine and was pretty "Red Pilled" from the get go.
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Reading TRP just made me laugh, "So, there are other guys out there that 'get it' as much as I do!"
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As my narcissistic ass grew up, understanding my strengths and weaknesses chiseled through the ideas of TRP has done me very well.
Project_Zero_Betas 4y ago
Same. It was actually quite comforting to find a community that had basically outlined the ins-and-outs of gender relations which I had observed over my entire life. Prior to finding this sub, some leftwing beta cuck who posts over in r-investing tried to shame and use corrupt law enforcement as a means of getting me to be all nice and beta, this sub just confirmed that I was right the whole time and he was wrong.
xero-wing 4y ago
May you explain a bit more about that beta situation??
Project_Zero_Betas 4y ago
A girl from my past who's obsessed with me found my old reddit username (via my brother), and realized I was talking to an influential leftwing beta cuck who works for a failing newspaper that just happened to live in the next county over from me. She put me through a lot of legal bullshit (including jail and being falsely diagnosed as borderline schizophrenic on account of her family being in law enforcement) because one of her beta orbiters killed himself when he realized she'd rather be with me than him (I'm sure knocking up her best friend at the same time he was trying to pursue her had nothing to do with it).
This psychotic cunt contacted the beta cuck from r-investing about told him about the situation and at how angry I was at everyone involved in it (Because once you're falsely accused of domestic violence, imprisoned with rapists and child molesters, and being diagnosed with a made up mental disorder, I'm sure the rational response from any guy would be "Hey it's okay, please continue walking all over my legal rights and civil liberties!"), and rather than tell this girl that "If other people kill themselves because Project_Zero_Betas is ugly, that's not PZBs problem," he continued to perpetuate her female hamstering by putting me in jail several more times, put under mandatory psych treatment by the state, made me a felon, installed hidden cameras in my house (a felony offense mind you), doxxed me via hacking my computer (another felony offense), and just in general tried to cut down my tall poppy because he was so caught up in the fact that some lowly beta had previously killed himself over me, he devoted all his time and energy into making sure my life was as miserable as possible so betas would feel better about themselves. He tried to make my life be defined by what another loser did to himself, and I refused to let that happen.
Now, thanks to discovering this community, I realize I was right the entire time about being angry over the entire situation this girl caused, and he's upset because he knows there's nothing he can do to bring me back.
xero-wing 4y ago
Shit brother I’m glad you weathered the storm and thanks for telling me more about it.
Project_Zero_Betas 4y ago
NP. My lil' story about how betas and female hamsters can literally ruin lives hopefully helps other guys who have to go through similar bullshit.
MandingoMaasai 4y ago
I was always naturally Red Pilled but I found TRP thanks to a friend of mine. He was BP as fuck and his life was shit. At the time, I had invited him to move in with me as I tried to help him get his shit together. He had a shit job and no prospects and he hadn't had sex in over 5 years. He never understood why women liked me and allowed me to treat them like shit. The last straw was when at a BBQ I hosted, one of my girlfriends (I had 3 at the time) walked in on me sleeping with some random colleague from work. My friend tried consoling her by warning her about me and asking her to dump me. While her emotions ran high, she agreed. Her resolve lasted all of a week. My friend went crazy trying to understand what happened. His Googling led him to Illimitable Men's blog. From there he came here. He sent me IM's 50 Shades of Red and 50 Shades Redder. I was hooked because I finally had the logic backing what I had known as little more than a hunch. I thank him every day for sharing this wisdom with me and allowing me on this journey. While I was a natural alpha, I had issues with controlling my emotions and I have since learned it was because I am from a single-parent household. One of the ways RP helped me was it made me want to be a better man. Women are a fun way to while time away but as Rich Cooper says, they will wait to fuck the winner at the finish line.
mikrodizels 4y ago
How is your friend doing now?
MandingoMaasai 4y ago
He's doing great. He finally got a job working with me at the same company and he's great at it. He came into his own aswell in the two years since finding TRP. He is very reluctant to lead and sometimes falls back into his BP way of thinking but those instances have become few and far between. He's in the gym and although he still has some ways to go, he is no longer fat. He faced alot of resistance from his family but funny enough, his mother and aunts have supported the changes he has made to his life (I believe old women are very RP). He dresses way better and although he has been in monk-mode of late, he upped his notch count significantly in those two years since TRP. For us swallowing TRP and sticking to its edicts like lifting and improving ourselves as men has been made easier by the fact that we shared the journey and have formed a tribe of our own. Think I'll ask him to share his own journey because I know he's lurking here and it will be massively inspirational.
punkrockfishboy 4y ago
So, I found this sub back in late 2013 and had oneitis for one girl and kept thinking of others that didn't want me. I was doing that bullshit incel shitposting on some forums (I was shit back then. A desperate nice guy, who turned to hate women because he couldn't get with a woman.... yeah that former guy....) and somebody mentioned theredpill. There I found that. Even then I was cynical, then I found MGTOW, was on there a while, then eventually heard about Aaron Clarey and then Roosh, then Rollo, Rich Cooper, etc and it has changed my life. Eventually I got off MGTOW as I experienced positive things about women, eventually I discovered Alexander Grace and Men Square to help me improve myself and relationship with women.
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If it weren't for hearing about TRP, I would still chase women for validation, texting them all the time, and may be suicidal over not getting the validation. I'm happy to know about this sub and the content around the internet.
McVaghunter 4y ago
You're lucky you were bluepilled once. It's easier to spend years being bluepilled since you're not even aware of what are you doing wrong or what you are missing, unlike being red pilled, knowing what's wrong and the pleasures you're missing yet unable to do anything about it.
The experience I had with my evil mother made me never put girls on a pedestal. Instead of --being-- faking being nice to girls, I studied the sexual market; I noticed that the good looking fit well dressed dudes were the ones getting all the pussy. It was clear to me what needed to be done; become one of the hottest motherfuckers around, but I had no money to build the muscle nor buy the nice clothes, therefor I had to wait getting my first job. The waiting was painful.
My n-count before getting my first job was probably 5 girls in total, after 6 months of getting my first job, joining a gym and buying some above average clothes, I slept with 52 average looking girls during that first year ALONE, the theories were confirmed, hot guys get all the pussy. After that it was time to improve my SMV even more, to get both quantity and quality (hot girls only, no more average ones). After that I discovered TRP, my mind was blown of how my thoughts were put into words in the sidebar and posts, it was amazing yet brought nothing new to the table.
I don't blame nor hate girls, they have sexual desires too, and there was nothing sexy about my old self. Right now I'm enjoying as much pussy as I want, and as you said, girls are just an indicator of progress, and as long as my yearly n-count is above 100 hot young girls it means that I'm doing well, I mean if you can't effortlessly f-close only 2 girls during a 7 days period, then your SMV is shit.
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Yep, I've never been angry at the naturals, or women. Success is under my control, I just wasn't born with it.
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Being a natural alpha can be blissed. You were raised to be confident, assertive, hard working, well rounded, fit. But there is danger in not knowing the reason behind why you’re successful. Maybe you get injured and gain weight. Maybe you lose your job for 2-3 months. Maybe you have a personal setback that leads you to seeking emotional comfort from your wife
Being a natural alpha isn’t a blessing. It’s still playing with fire. At least now we know “why”
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nobody_thinks 4y ago
he's rationalizing his failure with women as a blessing b/c "chads are the real cucks."
I need some whiskey after this post and the comments. Who left the gate open in the cuck pen?
868-hack 4y ago
Don't be so hasty to judge. I've known my fair share of bluepill chads. It sounds like an oxymoron but if you look good, you WILL get laid, and then think what you're doing works. I've got this fitness model friend who has absolutely zero game yet always gives everyone advice because in his defense, he gets a decent bit of tail -- with zero or counterproductive effort on his part.
nobody_thinks 4y ago
yes most young chads have blue pill beliefs.
exactly, said the same thing in one of my comments above.
The problem is the frame. A common chad trajectory is that a chad bangs out a lot of bitches, falls for his unicorn, then gets red pilled, rebuilds his life, and goes back to slaying, but usually in a more laid back fashion. A common incel trajectory is to be a nice guy cuck for 10-15 years, never get laid or get laid sparingly, get red pilled, get laid less sparingly.
OP is clearly in the latter trajectory and rationalizing it as superior because "chads have their red pill moment too". it's gay.
five_eight 4y ago
Outstanding post!! Even for those of us plugged into the Matrix until its too late.
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nobody_thinks 4y ago
oh my fucking god. The state of red pill is fucking pathetic.
Moldy_Gecko 4y ago
Men telling the truth? This is a locker room. Don't know which locker rooms you've been in, but real men usually tell other real men about their issues. It's healthy and good for you. This is the type of thing that you're father should have been discussing with you but never did.
nobody_thinks 4y ago
never been in a locker room where men cry together about how everything is their dad's fault. Sounds like some ultra-feminist woo-woo estrogen-fueled ra-ra kumbaya shit.
Moldy_Gecko 4y ago
You haven't been to many locker rooms then. I get it, you're trying to be the badass on the "Alpha" forums, but that's not how it works. I'm a prior Marine and Iraq Vet that has made a lot of SF friends after the Corps. Seeing men that are the Alpha of Alphas break down on your shoulder is humbling and not feminist nor estrogen fueled. That's the problem, people that learn Alpha behavior think you have to be in manmode all the time. In reality, when you're with men you can trust, you can show your vulnerability.
nobody_thinks 4y ago
breaking down and crying is masculine. nobody said anything about that.
look at it like this. we are in a war. your dad got taken out by the first wave of the surprise attack by the enemy. you got wounded but not taken out. your dad's turn is over. It's your turn.
if you roll around in your hospital bed as you recover crying about your dad and how it's all his fault for not stopping the enemy during the first attack, that's gay. that's feminine. that's not getting you anywhere.
first of all, your dad was the victim of a surprise attack. they were not fucking prepared for television, mass media, no fault divorce, all that shit. on and on. no way any man was prepared for that shit. Trump got cheated on by his wife with one of his bodyguards. one of his employees.
You on the other hand at least had the warning. you grew up in the war. you always knew there was a fucking war. it's a war. and now youre wounded - we're all wounded. everything is fucked - what are you going to do?
it's all my dad's fault. That's childish. that's gay. That's not getting you anywhere. Your dad might not have been perfect but at least he is on your fucking team. he is not your enemy. and he certainly didn't cause all of this shit.
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nobody_thinks 4y ago
so now it's my fault yer a cuck?
Moldy_Gecko 4y ago
It's your fault that your pretentious masculinity is what they think TRP. We're about learning real masculinity, not phonies.
NickA97 4y ago
Wtf are you talking about? That's Red Pill 101. If you had an alpha dad that taught you how to navigate life like a boss, very rarely would you turn out to be a cucked simp like many of the guys that end up looking for a shred of hope here. Even dads could learn their share from TRP, it's a fact that masculine role models are in severe shortage.
nobody_thinks 4y ago
so much estrogen in this comment my monitor needs a tampon
NickA97 4y ago
Sure alphaboi, close dem legs cause it's probably you who's dripping all that stink blood
nobody_thinks 4y ago
right. has nothing to do with feminism. or no fault divorce. or social media. or hollywood. or pop culture. or consumerism. or your personal decisions as a man. it's all your dad's fault. got your pussy hat on?
nobody_thinks 4y ago
b/c your dad had the power within him to transcend the greatest change in gender relations in recorded history. without the red pill, without the internet, without time to react. On a dime. But he didn't. He was too busy stuffing your mom with your mopey little sperm. And that is why he alone is the sole reason that you are a cuck. True story.
Moldy_Gecko 4y ago
You need help brother. Assuming by your tantrums that you didn't have the best father figure either. And Psychology 101, your family and friends make up your views on life.
nobody_thinks 4y ago
Thanks for your concern /u/Moldy_Gecko. I'm sure we could all use a little help.
This is true but you are leaving out society. We agree totally that your Dad has a major role in who you become as a man. My issue is not with OP for stating that this obvious fact. The problem is that he singles out his Dad as the primary cause of his dysfunction. Please read The Myth of Male Power or No More Mr. Nice Guy. This is a classic feminist / Nice Guy trope. It's called, "blame the nearest man".
Moldy_Gecko 4y ago
Shit, now I want to take back the comment I literally just made about no serious posts in your history. I agree with you here to an extent. And NMMNG is a good book.
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NickA97 4y ago
A father has the power to toughen up his own son, period. He doesn't need to be a transcendental fighter for masculine justice, he just needs to tell his son to man up when he's being a little bitch. One father-son relationship at a time and there's your fucking social revolution.
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nobody_thinks 4y ago
so if it's your dad's fault that you're a mangina because he was a mangina, then isn't it really your gandpa's fault that your dad was a mangina? But doesn't that then make it your great-gan-papi's fault that ol gramps was a mangina?
Moldy_Gecko 4y ago
Actually, yes. Prior to ww2 men were pretty manly. Then come the baby boomers that were manly, but they didn't want to treat their kids like they were treated. That and societal feminist propaganda started coming around telling parents what they can do. Thus began the gen x with failed fathers that bred millennials with failed fathers which is breeding now.
nobody_thinks 4y ago
Well at least you are consistent /u/Moldy_Gecko.
How about just dropping the victim mentality and mentally high-fiving yer pops for being man enough to stuff your mopey ass into yer mum.
Moldy_Gecko 4y ago
Yeah, I'll get right on that. At least I can thank him for not making me so pathetic that I become a reddit troll. I'm not going to look up your history because who tf cares, but I'm guessing there is not a single serious post in your history.
nobody_thinks 4y ago
you sound exactly like a woman
NickA97 4y ago
You're the one that's whining like a bitch.
nobody_thinks 4y ago
lol now u are projecting like a women does your tampon need attention?
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sqerl 4y ago
Well said OP. I came from a similar background. The journey was difficult, but well worth the deep dive into oneself. Now growth continues with a greater sense of purpose.
For the guys still figuring it out, notice OP isn't spewing anger. When you've internalized the message and have come to terms TRP, you're in a place of acceptance. If you're in the anger phase, use it to self-improve. When you're on the other side, keep improving and thrive without the anger.
DirtyBastard13 4y ago
Yes. Had society delivered on thier end of the bargain, I'd still be a nice Christian guy playing by those rules.
Theguygotgame777 4y ago
I grew up in a TradCon family. I wasn't fully cucked, but my parents never told me how to get girls; only that I was to abstain from sex with them until marriage. I already distrusted feminism and was openly opposed to gay marriage when my dad introduced me to the RedPill.
So many more things made sense, it made my head spin. Slowly internalizing the pill, and lifting to harden up my body has really made me see how cringy I must've seemed to girls. And I got on the RedPill relatively early- when I was 16 years old.
Getting on the Pill has simultaneously made me more optimistic about my own future, and more cynical about the world's future.
ologbeni 4y ago
Hey can you share how your dad introduced you to the RedPill? What were the conversations like? How did he initiate it? How did he address the cognitive dissonance?
Channel_oreo 4y ago
your dad is pretty based for introducing you to the redpill. How closed are you to your father? In my life time most men I knew have father issues.
Theguygotgame777 4y ago
I'd say we're very close. We're a pretty tight-knit family; I have 3 brothers and a sister.
Channel_oreo 4y ago
Coming from a good family like yours do you have the drive to have children or family in the future? I don't have that drive to have children. I'am married to a good woman but I can't see myself being father. I chose to be childfree because of all the past abuse from fake friends and neglect from my parents broke me.
Theguygotgame777 4y ago
I would love to be married and have sons, but I don't feel I can trust women anymore. I was thinking I would get myself sterilized, and adopt kids to raise on my own.
sebastianconcept 4y ago
Here is a tough one:
Before hating hypergamy, remember that is the selective force that acted behind what gave you all that strength you inherited from your ancestors.
daniellllllllllllll 4y ago
Great point that’s never discussed.
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Fleeb4MrZurkon 4y ago
Very accurate sir, I never considered myself a Chad but was a n the football and wrestling team so I got all that athleteic attention. It wasnt until college where i was no longer an athlete did i realize the truth. This pov however is pretty awesome
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NextBad 4y ago
Men issue aren't their flaws, to be flawed in human, this is male hate, you don't need to be superior, women aren't a indicator of anything other than understanding their physiology.
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Women do love you for who you are if you love yourself. Getting women doesn't mean your life is good, or successful or healthy, it's just mean your getting women,
nobody_thinks 4y ago
you make great points but write like english is your third language.
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askmrcia 4y ago
For me it was mix of a few things. I too was athletic and good looking in high school. I got the attention but absolutely sucked with women for multiple reasons.
It boiled down to honestly not knowing how to talk to girls and not knowing how to escalate. Basically game. And that was due to poor advice I got from my single mom, movies I watched (nerdy kid getting the girl), and church making me feel guilty for trying to go for premarital sex.
Also believe it or not, despite my football team being very successful a lot them didn't get laid and the ones that did hooked up with girls I truly wasn't interested in. So it wasn't like me hanging out with them helped.
After the end of my freshman year in college I just woke up after three bad stints with women. I basically started looking at the guys around me who was getting laid and stealing what they were doing.
And that's how it worked for me. The biggest thing I had issue with was asd and lmr. Once I learned to get past those or avoid it all together is when I became very successful with women.
I had a lot of cringy encounters when I was younger, but I turned all that around when I got older.
The red pill surprised me because I found it when I had issues with one girl and learned that so many men had similar experiences.
I pretty much learned all the red pill shit on my own, but what I liked the most about the community was reading stories of guys who went through similar stuff.
I still remember finding the redpill because people commented #mgtow on YouTube Maury videos. After a couple of Google searches, well down the rabbit hole I went.
ogkushinjapan 4y ago
You are not the father!!! Always get a dna test if u have a kid. That’s a redpill on its own lol
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SeasonedRP 4y ago
Wrong. If you had been extremely successful with women, you would have known that being too nice and chivalrous were counterproductive; you would have had a better understanding of their true nature. You say that discovering TRP and transforming yourself into a better person will lead to attracting more and better women. Has that happened for you? From your post it doesn't sound like it has. At bottom, RP is sexual strategy, not self improvement for its own sake. Maintaining sexual relationships with multiple women most assuredly is an indicator of success from a RP standpoint.
ogkushinjapan 4y ago
Nope my IFBB pro card friend was the nicest guy ever and had lots of success with women. However down the line he found out all his LTRs cheated on him when he was always loyal. This shows that some top tier man can still find success in getting women being bluepilled but will have problems maintaining the relationship.
nobody_thinks 4y ago
when you are young and successful with women, you usually don't know why. And high SMV men can get away with a TON of "beta" shit.
yes and no. a lot of high SMV men understand most women intuitively, but still believe in unicorns.
yes this is where OP went wrong.
SeasonedRP 4y ago
Of course we get downvoted for saying RP is about sexual strategy. A lot of people on here don't like that and want it to be self improvement for its own sake because they are scared to interact with women.
nobody_thinks 4y ago
You mean they are larping incels who think they are self improving and that after few more years of "self improvement" they will open the poosy floodgates?
haha that's fucked.
SeasonedRP 4y ago
That's what they think unfortunately.
nobody_thinks 4y ago
I haven't been to this sub in about a year and even then I didn't follow it that closely. But now that I am engaging, what surprises me the most is how many so-called "red pill men" have poosy on such a pedestal.
Giving a hairless monkey orgasms is great I guess but it's also a fucking ridiculous standard by which to measure your life. How far do we have to go into clown world before people realize that sixnine culture (ergo gina-tingle culture) is fucking degenerate?
Don't get me wrong I'm not full on mgtow. I fuck for sport and b/c I'm not an incel or a cuck. But this shit is ridiculous.
daniellllllllllllll 4y ago
It definitely has happened. Almost to an unbelievable level. To clarify what I thought was obvious, once you get to the point where you have abundance you realize the girls are nothing to obsess over. As I stated, they are more of a reward than a destination.
SeasonedRP 4y ago
Here's what doesn't make sense. You say when you were young you were smart, decent looking, and athletic, and unsuccessful with women. If all that's true, the reason is you had no game. But you don't say anything about developing game. You instead talk about your imperfections, transforming into a better person, and becoming a superior man, i.e., self improvement. That's all great, but without game you won't be successful with women.
daniellllllllllllll 4y ago
If a person only spends time developing “game” without addressing their deeper issues, they are no different than a woman just applying makeup to cover up her flaws. At the end of the day, that makeup comes off. Game develops simultaneously when you are becoming the best version of yourself for YOU and not with the purpose of impressing women. If women are your only mission in life then you are a failure. With a high purpose in life, financial security, a good physique, and normal social skills...you just covered 80% of so-called game. Having those in order will instill deep confidence, leading to abundance mentality. The other 20% will come with practice.
SeasonedRP 4y ago
You are not in a position to lecture me on anything. I was extremely successful with women before you were born. I provide insights on here for younger men who find them useful. If you don't, fine, do it your way. You can spare me the unsolicited advice.
I said nothing about "only" developing game. I pointed out that you mentioned nothing about developing it at all. No, it doesn't come simultaneously when you are becoming the best version of yourself, and the things you mentioned aren't 80% of it. There are many nice looking, financially successful men who are total dorks around women and who thus sabotage themselves. These men need to learn game. And game is especially important for younger men as it is harder for them to stand out from the crowd. Lots of young men have good looks, and successful careers often take time to cultivate. An EC did a post recently about game and other aspects of SMV being of equal importance, and he's right. I weighed in on this thread because I see too many like this that assume RP is only about self improvement and leave out game.
You say a high purpose in life, financial security, good physique, and normal social skills will lead to confidence and abundance mentality. You know what else leads to abundance mentality? Actually having abundance--actually maintaining sexual relationships with multiple women simultaneously. I can tell you haven't reached that stage yet, which is why you lecturing me is laughable.
daniellllllllllllll 4y ago
Ahh yes, the bragging on the internet and the ad hominem strategy...clear indicators of a successful guy.
In no way did I lecture you though. When I said “you”, that’s used as a third person POV.
Most of those financially successful men that you referred to still put women on a pedestal. Focusing heavily on game is still putting them on a pedestal, just in a different way.
Psycholephant 4y ago
Your first paragraph screams "little dick energy".
nobody_thinks 4y ago
this is 100% larping fantasy bro. Please wake the fuck up. The young women that you like. Think of them. They like guys like sixnine. Sixnine has been convicted of basically making soft porn with children (13 y/o). The gina tingle means absolutely nothing from the perspective of becoming a better man.
daniellllllllllllll 4y ago
Man, why do you keep going to Sixnine? First of all, I barely know who that is. Secondly, the topic of celebrity is a whole different arena when it comes to dealing with females so I’m not seeing how this relates here. I’m still waiting on you to actually contribute something valuable in your comments rather than pulling out quotes and responding to them with half-thought out sentences. There’s a reason you’re getting downvoted. You’ve barely expressed a coherent thought and definitely haven’t added your own opinion outside of criticisms. Please, prove me wrong.
nobody_thinks 4y ago
why don't u just admit that
you are not sexually successful with women
until you admit (1) and (2), I can't engage in rational discourse with you because it is just pure cognitive dissonance and emotional reactivity.
daniellllllllllllll 4y ago
All you’ve proved so far is that you engage in ad hominem as well and are incapable of contributing valuable content. I don’t presume to know your sexual activity level, don’t presume to know mine.
nobody_thinks 4y ago
by yer mom and hollywood.
if you still associate female attraction with perfection you are still lost.
an indicator of progress at getting pussy. Of nothing else. Imagine if Newton thought like this smh.
yeah like kanye or Mystery or sixnine because getting pussy correlates with masculine greatness.
daniellllllllllllll 4y ago
I’m not sure if you don’t know how to use deductive reasoning or if you just enjoy being a critic despite knowing what the intention of my statements were.
No one said if you work on your imperfections you will be perfect and no one said women only like perfect men.
If you don’t understand how being appealing to women is an indicator of progress then you’re clearly new here.
The superior man part means exactly the opposite of what you took it as. In no way did I apply a superior man is defined by the pussy he gets.
nobody_thinks 4y ago
how could I possibly know the intention of your statements? I know English not voodoo.
please explain then ... don't attack me because your post is vague.
868-hack 4y ago
No offense but dude, stop posting.
nobody_thinks 4y ago
why, /u/868-hack? Could you articulate the part of my post that you found most triggering?
868-hack 4y ago
It's just your general belligerence. If you present yourself as an insufferable ass, people won't hear you even if you're right -- and certainly won't forgive you if you're wrong.
While I greatly appreciate that there's no tone-policing on this subreddit, you'll be better received if you aren't unnecessarily crude.
nobody_thinks 4y ago
emotional triggering changes more minds then clever arguments.
868-hack 4y ago
Change your attitude or I'll shit you out like yesterday's sausage!
Am I doing it right?
nobody_thinks 4y ago
at least you implicitly acknowledge that my points are valid.