women should just be used as an indicator of progress. Not an indicator of success and they are definitely not the destination. Find your flaws and master them. But do this to become a superior man.

BEAUTIFULLY added a minor change in my philosophy. Thank you so much for this.

Everytime I hear the words "nice guy" I can't help but cringe, since I realised long ago that nice guy = dishonest psychopath. I know I used to be one. You are not nice because you are a nice guy. You are nice because you want to get into that girl's pants. A girl sees right through that and hates you for it. Its creepy. What you have to be with a girl is not nice, but act with honor, just like with men. Stop brown-nosing and be honest. A woman will appreciate directness and honesty in a man.

At the end of the day I realised that the problem is not women. Its with some of us. If you are fucked up, you will attract fucked up people and situations, period. Like David Goggins and many philosophers said: It all starts with YOU. Make a deep dive into your soul and fix the fucked up attitudes and beliefs. Then all of the sudden better quality girls and situations happen to you.

Shit attracts shit and greatness attracts greatness.
Look into stoicism, guys like David Goggins, etc.
Once you become an overman (which should be the goal for any man), you will laugh at the pathetic situations you encountered before.

I ended up here because reddit wouldnt shut up about this sub a few years ago, so I was curious to see what was so bad. FYI if Reddit ever hates on something, that means you should look into it, that's what i've realized.

In seeking to be a superior man, as opposed to being one that gets all the women, You're swapping one kind of prison for another. It's so faustian.

Vanity is addictive. It is very powerful. It sucks you up inside it. You've spent so much time desperately chasing after women. Now you're desperately chasing after a man: that image you have of a superior you.

It is reality we should place at the centre of our lives, not the fictions we concoct of our own brilliance. When we do that, those fictions suck everything we hope and fight for into them, and eat us alive.

A self-centred life is a shit life, the life of a weak man who has no courage.

But the irony is that once you’ve gone through this journey, you really don’t care for the females in the same way you used to.

I know right... maybe the trp is just an antidote in the end.

Same OP. Was a dorky nice guy/Male feminist who sucked with women. Had a good career and good money and was confused as fuck why I was getting treated like shit.

None of my friend circle could help and in my despair I found the PUA community, learned some things but realized there were gaps and there had to be a less time consuming way to get vagina.

Did some reading, overlapped with redpill and finally it clicked and I filled in my knowledge gaps from the PUA community.

Realized vagina wasnt that important anymore and I was walking around life blind.

if you have money, fuck some whores and go your way.

I've been thanking my lucky stars since Ive been Red Pilled. Lord knows, if I had Chad genes, I would have certainly been weak and married some worthless hoe by now. Here's to being a late bloomer.

I remeber this one chick, hot af(9/10), wanting to nail me and me fucking it completly up by not realizing whats going on (she even brought me to her own fucking doorstep).

If there is one thing i will regret for the rest of my life, this is it. not having the balls to do the right thing when the time comes. Ive sworm myself to not repeat this, and have been improving ever since.

I ended up here because I have always been utterly spellbound by female beauty and hopelessly in love with women. I love the way their voices sound, I love the smell of their hair, I love the softness of their skin and the way their hips move when they walk. I love the way they play in the moment, their wildness and spirit.

I have always loved women. But I've always sucked with them.

I mean, I was REALLY good at building rapport and making friends with them. Really good at making them laugh and feel comfortable with me. Really good at building trust and emotional intimacy with them.

But completely incapable of getting a girl to have sex with me or be my girlfriend.

I will tell you what is demoralizing. When you are 27 years old, a virgin, yet many different women say "you're going to make SUCH a good husband some day" or "your future wife is a lucky woman!"

Nowadays, NO ONE says silly shit like that to me. Now instead of hearing about what a great guy I am, they say "I can never tell what you're thinking" or "I like that you have an edge, but I think it's too much" or "you're such an asshole"

Guess which version of me got more pussy

Even though I was a good looking guy and a great conversationalist, I had no balls. I had no male mentor figure in my teenage years who took me under his wing and showed me the ropes, nothing like that. So as you can imagine, I had plenty of girls interested in me but I'd always fuck it up or they'd see I couldn't give them what they were looking for and that would be it. By age 18 I'd become aware that there was something lacking in me, so I prayed that I would learn whatever I had to in order to become a man in the true sense of the word. I'd like to say it happened overnight but it didn't- years of dysfunctional attitudes and thinking are hard to unwire. 15 years later and here I am. The Red Pill is not a destination- it's a journey.

God, I hope this sub never gets the boot. It helps me so much.

Bitches are a lagging indicator

My story is different. I was literally an asshole and that made me really popular with women and feared by men. One unfortunate day, I went through a "spiritual awakening" and decided to be a genuinely better and kinder person and as you can guess, that's when shit hit the fan and I started going unnoticed like I didn't exist. I am now on my journey to find the perfect balance since I cannot go back to being the jerk I was.

OP, you're a virgin, aren't you?

I'm thankful TRP opened my eyes and released me from all that pain. BP path is hurtful for men bc it restricts your skills and wishes to purse what can't be obtained "women's love" Chads and Tyrones only difference is they have the best drug which is sex to mitigate the pain and also to motivate the simp legion to keep simping to obtain it.

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I recently have a conversation with my mother about a girl, she asked If I as in love so when I told her how I think (not great not terrible/no oneitis/ etc) surprisingly she was happy, she even congratulated me for the way I now think, She is a conservative traditional old lady, but even her as a woman understood old way of thinking (BP) does not longer work for men and got really happy his son follows new better thinking (TRP)

In high school, was the "nice guy," did all the things my mom, TV, books, and intellectuals said I should do.

Kept striking out with every girl.

Saw all of my gangster/thug friends get the hottest girls.

Got some more balls and started approaching more.

Started getting girlfriends, even hot ones, but they would cheat, treat me bad or leave me.

Stopped being Mr. supernice, modern, male feminist when I realized it was causing a lot of my lack of success.

Approached more, learned how to talk to girls, how to act in relationships.

Got hotter girlfriends, hook ups, being treated better.

Too many opportunities with girls to count, right now in a great LTR.

THEN, I discovered the thing called the Red Pill and post here to share my insight and fine tune what I know.

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In reality, my journey away from being "blue pilled" began when I was about 16, by 18, it was pretty much completely gone because of so many experiences.

This is my learning and it may not be aligned with red pill.

I was like you too, but not because I was trained to be like that, one could say there was enough bad input but I was like that because of a perfectly normal assumption that goodness begets goodness. World will call you naive and foolish for believing that and it's probably right. But it's not for your fault, the world is evil, that's it's nature, I'm not blaming the world, but simply recognising it for what it is.

Though there was another aspect to my shortcomings, I put the female gender on the pedestal because my mother never loved me. So I ached for that primal comfort. That made me needy and obviously fail.

I internalised these failures as shame, like fatal flaws, but they were not my flaws, I was given a bad hand in this world.

Red pill did work for me when I was naive and kinda obsessive about getting laid. And then it didn't. The moment I came in terms with the core of my problems, absence of maternal love or some would call it abuse (even sexual abuse) - it all made sense, the burden of guilt and shame was lifted. So I automatically stopped being the nice guy. But I was still the good guy and I realised that I don't want sex on tap, that was never my goal.

I'd never have been able to reach this nuanced level of personal understanding without Jesus. One may redicule Christianity, because it means hundred things to hundreds of people, but it did save me and gave me accurately what i needed, it didn't give me what everybody believes a man wants. This satisfaction from life is precious.

Is that internal game? Self actualisation? I don't know. Maybe.

The superior man is my favorite rp book.

But if you're leading a kickass life and improving, staying in shape, honing hobbies and hustling - wouldn't what "you represent" be qualities like determination, hard work, ZFG, skillfulness and charisma? If that's the case, then aren't those qualities "you."

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That's a good thing. She might only love you "now" - however, a solid chic will bring out and motivate those best qualities in "you."

More like you started playing with balls.

Sounds familiar. Understanding progress is never easy.

"Indicator of progress, not success."

I like this. Easy reading as well. Thanks.

For me was 3 years ago when i had a ltr and got to know things about her sluttypast from other people, i didn’t even ask for it. It made me feel so bad so i was searching for solutions and came to the redpill. Oh Boy was this an Eyeopener back then that i didn’t really want but needed :D

Also slowly the other thing started to make sense.

The thing was i was an asshole till like 18years and never had big problem with women, but then somehow my sister and mother talked to me i have to treat women better Ahahahaha you can imagine what then came, nothing worked anymore with women, lot’s of sadness and heartbreak lol. Can’t even listen to the family when its about women....

The Chads that fall in Love haven’t woken up and realize the woman in their life only loves them for what they represent, not for who they are.

Some men in TRP entertain the delusion that some love inconditionally. This doesn't exist. Whoever is supposed to be the loving one, man, woman, child, parent, a friend, this simply isn't the case.

When everything is fine, there shared interrested then we might think it is the case. But it is enough for the situation to change a bit to see how far it is from the truth.

And honestly, asking for inconditional love is being an asshole. It clearly stipulate that you can do whatever and that the other has to comply regarless, being considered as a slave or a thing rather than a being with free will.

You'll find some that will say that yes men will still love their woman if they become bitchy, severly obeve, cheat openly, go to jail, kill people, want their child to transition and of course divorse rape them... That they would still love them regarless until the end of time. Pure bullshit.

You don’t seem to understand the criticism you’re receiving so I’ll take a turn at trying to explain it to you.

You seem to entertain a worldview where a man can be judged on a spectrum from “flawed” to “perfect”, and that women’s sexual nature is to prefer men tending towards “perfect”, and therefore a man’s sexual success is an indicator of his position on the “perfection” spectrum.

How then do you explain that ex-convicts, “assholes”, “jerks”, and other people with psychopath tendencies are so successful with women? Are dark-triad traits the measure of “perfection” of a man?

TRP reveals that a husband who is lovingly committed to his woman and kids risks seeing her losing interest in him, while the husband that applies good dread (hinting at her that other women find him attractive and hat he could jump ship anytime) will see her interest in him maintain at high levels. Does this mean that a “perfect” man is a man that covertly threatens to abandon his family?

You see, the reality is that women’s sexual arousal is not for “perfection” in a man but for a specific set of physical and behavioural traits (which we call “alpha” or “masculine”) that may or may not fit some moral standards. That’s the explanation behind the TRP motto “sexual strategy is amoral”. There is no inherent morality or lack of in humans’ sexual buttons. They just are.

What you’re doing is that you’re letting your deep, instinctive need for “self-improvement” colouring your interpretation of TRP. You need to resist that. TRP does nothing but telling you the naked (and often dark) truth of women’s sexual attraction principles. A lot of those truth are NOT about you being “perfect”. A main one, for example, is that you should treat her like your bratty young sister, because women deeply crave being submissive to a dominant man. And there’s a lot of ways to be dominant that you would struggle to call “perfect”.

You’re free to continue “self-improving” into becoming a “perfect” man, whatever that is to you... but hypergamy doesn’t care about what you think is perfection. Hypergamy will continue wanting to fuck what it wants to fuck, and continue wanting to exploit what it wants to exploit.

I have no idea how I ended up here, haha

I was the lucky one, grew up with a dad that was old Special Forces Marine and was pretty "Red Pilled" from the get go.

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Reading TRP just made me laugh, "So, there are other guys out there that 'get it' as much as I do!"

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As my narcissistic ass grew up, understanding my strengths and weaknesses chiseled through the ideas of TRP has done me very well.

I was always naturally Red Pilled but I found TRP thanks to a friend of mine. He was BP as fuck and his life was shit. At the time, I had invited him to move in with me as I tried to help him get his shit together. He had a shit job and no prospects and he hadn't had sex in over 5 years. He never understood why women liked me and allowed me to treat them like shit. The last straw was when at a BBQ I hosted, one of my girlfriends (I had 3 at the time) walked in on me sleeping with some random colleague from work. My friend tried consoling her by warning her about me and asking her to dump me. While her emotions ran high, she agreed. Her resolve lasted all of a week. My friend went crazy trying to understand what happened. His Googling led him to Illimitable Men's blog. From there he came here. He sent me IM's 50 Shades of Red and 50 Shades Redder. I was hooked because I finally had the logic backing what I had known as little more than a hunch. I thank him every day for sharing this wisdom with me and allowing me on this journey. While I was a natural alpha, I had issues with controlling my emotions and I have since learned it was because I am from a single-parent household. One of the ways RP helped me was it made me want to be a better man. Women are a fun way to while time away but as Rich Cooper says, they will wait to fuck the winner at the finish line.

So, I found this sub back in late 2013 and had oneitis for one girl and kept thinking of others that didn't want me. I was doing that bullshit incel shitposting on some forums (I was shit back then. A desperate nice guy, who turned to hate women because he couldn't get with a woman.... yeah that former guy....) and somebody mentioned theredpill. There I found that. Even then I was cynical, then I found MGTOW, was on there a while, then eventually heard about Aaron Clarey and then Roosh, then Rollo, Rich Cooper, etc and it has changed my life. Eventually I got off MGTOW as I experienced positive things about women, eventually I discovered Alexander Grace and Men Square to help me improve myself and relationship with women.

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If it weren't for hearing about TRP, I would still chase women for validation, texting them all the time, and may be suicidal over not getting the validation. I'm happy to know about this sub and the content around the internet.

You're lucky you were bluepilled once. It's easier to spend years being bluepilled since you're not even aware of what are you doing wrong or what you are missing, unlike being red pilled, knowing what's wrong and the pleasures you're missing yet unable to do anything about it.

The experience I had with my evil mother made me never put girls on a pedestal. Instead of --being-- faking being nice to girls, I studied the sexual market; I noticed that the good looking fit well dressed dudes were the ones getting all the pussy. It was clear to me what needed to be done; become one of the hottest motherfuckers around, but I had no money to build the muscle nor buy the nice clothes, therefor I had to wait getting my first job. The waiting was painful.

My n-count before getting my first job was probably 5 girls in total, after 6 months of getting my first job, joining a gym and buying some above average clothes, I slept with 52 average looking girls during that first year ALONE, the theories were confirmed, hot guys get all the pussy. After that it was time to improve my SMV even more, to get both quantity and quality (hot girls only, no more average ones). After that I discovered TRP, my mind was blown of how my thoughts were put into words in the sidebar and posts, it was amazing yet brought nothing new to the table.

I don't blame nor hate girls, they have sexual desires too, and there was nothing sexy about my old self. Right now I'm enjoying as much pussy as I want, and as you said, girls are just an indicator of progress, and as long as my yearly n-count is above 100 hot young girls it means that I'm doing well, I mean if you can't effortlessly f-close only 2 girls during a 7 days period, then your SMV is shit.

Yep, I've never been angry at the naturals, or women. Success is under my control, I just wasn't born with it.

Being a natural alpha can be blissed. You were raised to be confident, assertive, hard working, well rounded, fit. But there is danger in not knowing the reason behind why you’re successful. Maybe you get injured and gain weight. Maybe you lose your job for 2-3 months. Maybe you have a personal setback that leads you to seeking emotional comfort from your wife

Being a natural alpha isn’t a blessing. It’s still playing with fire. At least now we know “why”

If I had been extremely successful with women, then I would have bought the lie and thought those women actually loved me.

he's rationalizing his failure with women as a blessing b/c "chads are the real cucks."

I need some whiskey after this post and the comments. Who left the gate open in the cuck pen?

Outstanding post!! Even for those of us plugged into the Matrix until its too late.

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Well said OP. I came from a similar background. The journey was difficult, but well worth the deep dive into oneself. Now growth continues with a greater sense of purpose.

For the guys still figuring it out, notice OP isn't spewing anger. When you've internalized the message and have come to terms TRP, you're in a place of acceptance. If you're in the anger phase, use it to self-improve. When you're on the other side, keep improving and thrive without the anger.

Yes. Had society delivered on thier end of the bargain, I'd still be a nice Christian guy playing by those rules.

I grew up in a TradCon family. I wasn't fully cucked, but my parents never told me how to get girls; only that I was to abstain from sex with them until marriage. I already distrusted feminism and was openly opposed to gay marriage when my dad introduced me to the RedPill.

So many more things made sense, it made my head spin. Slowly internalizing the pill, and lifting to harden up my body has really made me see how cringy I must've seemed to girls. And I got on the RedPill relatively early- when I was 16 years old.

Getting on the Pill has simultaneously made me more optimistic about my own future, and more cynical about the world's future.

Here is a tough one:

Before hating hypergamy, remember that is the selective force that acted behind what gave you all that strength you inherited from your ancestors.

Very accurate sir, I never considered myself a Chad but was a n the football and wrestling team so I got all that athleteic attention. It wasnt until college where i was no longer an athlete did i realize the truth. This pov however is pretty awesome

Men issue aren't their flaws, to be flawed in human, this is male hate, you don't need to be superior, women aren't a indicator of anything other than understanding their physiology.

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Women do love you for who you are if you love yourself. Getting women doesn't mean your life is good, or successful or healthy, it's just mean your getting women,

For me it was mix of a few things. I too was athletic and good looking in high school. I got the attention but absolutely sucked with women for multiple reasons.

It boiled down to honestly not knowing how to talk to girls and not knowing how to escalate. Basically game. And that was due to poor advice I got from my single mom, movies I watched (nerdy kid getting the girl), and church making me feel guilty for trying to go for premarital sex.

Also believe it or not, despite my football team being very successful a lot them didn't get laid and the ones that did hooked up with girls I truly wasn't interested in. So it wasn't like me hanging out with them helped.

After the end of my freshman year in college I just woke up after three bad stints with women. I basically started looking at the guys around me who was getting laid and stealing what they were doing.

And that's how it worked for me. The biggest thing I had issue with was asd and lmr. Once I learned to get past those or avoid it all together is when I became very successful with women.

I had a lot of cringy encounters when I was younger, but I turned all that around when I got older.

The red pill surprised me because I found it when I had issues with one girl and learned that so many men had similar experiences.

I pretty much learned all the red pill shit on my own, but what I liked the most about the community was reading stories of guys who went through similar stuff.

I still remember finding the redpill because people commented #mgtow on YouTube Maury videos. After a couple of Google searches, well down the rabbit hole I went.

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Wrong. If you had been extremely successful with women, you would have known that being too nice and chivalrous were counterproductive; you would have had a better understanding of their true nature. You say that discovering TRP and transforming yourself into a better person will lead to attracting more and better women. Has that happened for you? From your post it doesn't sound like it has. At bottom, RP is sexual strategy, not self improvement for its own sake. Maintaining sexual relationships with multiple women most assuredly is an indicator of success from a RP standpoint.