Wanted to get this comment by u/FieldLine over in asktrp up on the main thread:
On quiet confidence:
"It gets worse before it gets better.
Right now you've stopped seeking external validation via volunteering information about yourself to others. Letting others talk about themselves, you will quickly discover that most other people aren't particularly interesting.... so there isn't much to say at all. Socializing becomes boring; it's not that you're afraid to talk to people, you just don't want to.
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Soon you'll realize that not talking to people is even more boring than talking to boring people; the next stage in your "evolution" is talking to people to say whatever you feel like to entertain yourself. That's when it really gets fun, because social outcome independence gives you the ability to step back and objectively gauge how other people respond to particular mannerisms, topics of discussion, etc.
I instantly recognize their overcompensation to seek attention and I feel women sense this. Like you’re trying to impress them and come across try hard.
This is the objectivity I referred to. Accelerate the process by running split tests yourself, put on "fake" personalities to hone in on what people positively respond to.
You're on your way to social mastery."
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Pretty rich and concise.
Inner game is the foundation of social mastery. Interacting with others becomes amusing. Verbal and non-verbal communication become an art. Read the environment. Calibrate appropriately if need be. Enjoy interacting with people (generally speaking). Watch expressions ever so slightly materialize. Watch how engaged/unengaged people are. Fuck around with them. Pick at their brains. See what they're all about.
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Further reading: https://www.forums.red/p/TheRedPill/93281/there\_s\_no\_such\_thing\_as\_personality
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javiercer20 5y ago
Quiet confidence really means to just talk to women when you want to fuck, and keep it simple and straight to the point. The rest is bullshit, not necessary for the “game”
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abdullah_ibrahim 5y ago
Anybody ever got the feeling that they got it and then suddenly lost it?
I mean when I first discovered and applied some things I read here I was at the top of my social game for like a year. Now I dont know what happened suddenly I become anxious in social interactions and cant reply quickly or smartly to other people.
Anybody ever experienced this?
Kasplazm 5y ago
Same exact place and I have no clue why.
abdullah_ibrahim 5y ago
I think I am starting to figure it out. I think people like you and me become satisfied with what they "achieved" way too early and this satisfaction makes us lazy so we stop focusing.
And anything that you dont train you lose
Kasplazm 5y ago
While external factors can definitely play a role, I think that makes sense. Definitely gonna start trying to change my focus. I also think TRP helped give me a lot of 'irrational' confidence, which is good, but isn't ground in anything except maybe social understanding or some other abstract thought. As time went on I realized I wanted more grounded confidence based on things I actually worked towards (body/competence/status etc.) so maybe it's that too. Or maybe we're just being bitches.
abdullah_ibrahim 5y ago
Hahahaha maybe we are but I am sure it is actually this"As time went on I realized I wanted more grounded confidence based on things I actually worked towards (body/competence/status etc.)" because for the past week after writing this comment I started hitting the gym with the same focus as the begining and started putting myself out there again and guess what :D I actually am doing a little bit better already. Action my friend. Good luck
tyronethejabrone 5y ago
Idk man you're probably in your head too much. And I would guess your confidence has taken a hit. Realize that you have a massive advantage in being red-pill aware and build yourself back up. Workout. Meditate. Get out of your head and just relax.
MrGreySD 5y ago
Yep. Since reaching this stage I am starting to dislike some of the people closest to me due to their constant feminine characteristics, and subtle tells which stem from their insecurity. I never noticed them before. Small things like weak tone of voice, talking too fast, walking too fast, appearing to be trying too hard, trying to point out negatives to bring others down, etc. It's sad but I don't really care - my own company plus interactions with strangers/women keeps me happy.
tyronethejabrone 5y ago
It’s wild how you can never notice it before and then you just slow down, step back, and basically see right through them for everything that they are
MrGreySD 5y ago
Absolutely. And women all have this ability inherently, which makes for entertaining watching whenever these types of men are around women.
Since gaining this "vision" I've noticed women look at me and treat me as if they "know". It's difficult to even put into words, but this post is the first thing I've ever seen referencing it. Appreciate you putting it here.
MatrixofLe3adership 5y ago
I saved this exact comment for a reason. It's a perfect description of what I do on a daily basis. Hell yeah I'm on my way.
tyronethejabrone 5y ago
Good example of social mastery is Michael Scott
SkyCorpHomeVideo 5y ago
Michael Scott is a great example, Tyrone.
GutseeAAS 5y ago
Thanks for the info. I'm currently in this phase where I'm not talking to anyone. I've always picked up women with Cockiness and Humor. Lately I've just been silent.
It is... Different. I don't think it works that well for me. My ability to speak and say the right things at the right time is my strongest characteristic. This silent behavior is boring, but I have no desire to entertain anymore.
This attitude passes?
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Shakeinmypockets 5y ago
I get your intentions in administering advice like this. It helps people feel comfortable with social blunders. However, I can't help but question this advice, especially if it is applied to the workplace or people you care about. If you make people feel interrogated, you won't find many people wanting to be around you. You will repel them.
tyronethejabrone 5y ago
I should’ve emphasized knowing your environment more. Like I think I come across as sloppy and out-of-line in that advice. Got carried away in interaction for entertainment and should’ve taken it more in the direction of social mastery. Really FieldLine hit the nail on the head. Once one has reached a level of quiet confidence, they can effectively craft their persona to put themselves in a favorable position in any social environment.
GutseeAAS 5y ago
That's great. That's my natural frame and what I enjoy doing the most. Some stuff I read on TRP makes me feel like I shouldn't be that way and I've been feeling pretty shitty trying to incorporate what I read on this subreddit. Lmao just different types of people I guess.
MrGreySD 5y ago
Yes. Can relate to saying things without caring and seeing how people react.
Recent example:
Attractive waitress: "Did you enjoy your meal"
Me: "The burger was surprisingly good - the perfect level of moistness"
Her brain almost exploded and she couldn't stop repeating the word "moist" as she was trying to give a witty response.
Of course it is mostly down to your general demeanour/confidence and how the words are delivered, than anything else.
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SexdictatorLucifer 5y ago
Michael Scott is a character designed to epitomize social obliviousness and emotional arrested development. You're not being serious are you?
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ReasonableWealth 5y ago
"It gets worse before it gets better' It's like this for almost any skill thats worth having.
JarHeadJoseph 5y ago
This is very accurate and well written. I’ve experienced the exact things he is talking about word for word.
lbrownlbandit 5y ago
Yeah moved back home and don't know what it is but when ever I am around extended family I can say anything and people start laughing. Act how ever i want and bring out an air of carelessness and boom laughter. Now just gotta bring that over to my social circles.
Vrabo 5y ago
It's the other way around for me. I don't give a shit how others see me except for my family.
lbrownlbandit 5y ago
Yeah I find I'm not that calibrated or have enough frame when it comes to other social circles so I end up saying things that usually dont work in the context. Working on it, getting better day by day.
look_up_there 5y ago
It's a little creepy how well you just nailed it. I'm right fucking there, and your right, it's so much fun. I just wish I figured this all out when I was younger
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SICFJC 5y ago
This has nothing to do with quiet confidence. I read this post like 4 times and I don't know what the hell is being said here.
DeplorableRay 5y ago
Then you haven’t experienced this yet.
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