Disclaimer: Not a native english speaker
TL;DR: I teach self defense and I get attacked by feminists on a regular basis. Feminism does not want strong women, because strong women can not play the victim card.
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Intro:I have studied martial arts all my life. It startet off with karate at 4 years old, and now at 30 I do jiujitsu and MMA. I have taught people how to defend themselves and I have worked with underprivileged children as well as survivors of abuse and rape. I do all of this on the side and free of charge.
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In the recent years, I have kept hearing an argument that disgusts me to my core:
"Instead of teaching women how to defend themselves, teach men not to rape."
Or as they put it in more recent times: "If you teach women self defense, you implicitly make them responsible for their rape. That is victim shaming."
Yes, I got attacked for teaching teenage girls how not to get roofied.
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Obviously, there is no point to discuss the philosophical merits of this postulate. However, it led me to a deeper realization.
For those of you who do not know about this: It is almost impossible for a women to reliably overpower a determined man by means of unarmed physical violence - especially without years of full contact training. And all of the good self defense classes teach that fact.Furthermore, they teach how not to become a victim: By avoiding dangerous situations, by arming yourself, by scanning your surroundings, not getting drunk alone, not leaving drinks unsupervised, by planning ahead and by deescalating verbal confrontations. Kicking people in the balls is just a tiny fraction of personal protection.
By those means, a normal woman can lower her risk of rape to about the probably as getting hurt by a shark. Still happens, but it is incredibly rare.
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Now, why would a person contest that?
Because if defies their narrative.
Because it implies that a woman can be the architect of her own safety, simply by means of sacrificing a little personal freedom. And really, it is just a tiny bit of freedom - if your regular recreational activities do not involve getting high on coke and following shady dudes into their rooms.
However, acting like this takes a conscious choice. It takes a conscious mental effort to change things. To take responsibility. Not for other people rapey intents, but for your own protection.
And a person that seeks change first within themselves is not a good voter base, not a good protester and surely not a good "ally".
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Feminism does not want women who stand up for themselves.It wants women to think they are victims and hope for feminism to stand up for them.
AsfridrRik 5y ago
This is a point I've been trying to articulate for years. Well put.
Gaboyski_ 5y ago
Sometimes I wonder if having BPD is prerequisite to becoming a feminist. How fucked up must one be in the head to project and gaslight like that. Even women and blue-pilled men must be calling out this shit.
exit_sandman 5y ago
My theory is that you do indeed need a psych disorder to become a feminist. I mean, think of it, which of the following groups would feel attracted to feminism:
ruga2 5y ago
Add to it
5.Lack of empathy, which is one of the main traits of psychopaths. Psychopaths don't see other people as human beings deserving to be treated fairly.
iknowthewhey 5y ago
Womyn avoid responsibility like the plague. This is a natural response from a woman who has not been patriarched into a healthy mindset.
WaspOnAWall 5y ago
A good analogy that come to my mind, is dog training. Should dogs be trained not to attack people? Sure. Can you train a specific dog not to react even with food in front of them? Yes. But no one in their right mind would try to wiggle a piece of meat, just out of reach, in front of unknown dogs and expect to come out unharmed 100 times out of 100. I don't know what the legislation would be in such a case, but I guess the person could still manage to get the dog put down because we tend to prioritize the safety of humans, just like we tend to prioritize the safety of women. The situation here is one in which women are told that men should never attack them, and some of them take that as a permit to figuratively rub meat in men's noses, until one who is not trained well enough snaps and attacks her. And the media goes "well that obviously proves than men are not trained well enough!" And proceeds to flood us with another wave of brainwashing.
MoDuReddit 5y ago
Remember kids, when you're taught how to run from a mugging, it's victim shaming.
Mask_less 5y ago
To add to this (why fat feminists don't want you to teach self defense), you are essentially turning weak boys into men through this medium. With less weak men around, these fat fucks won't be able to find someone to dick them down as no healthy, strong men will consider them as an option. 'Course you've got your average fat chump around (who will fuck them) but people like you pull those fat chumps out of their rut.
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More guys like you means more danger for them.
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Keep doing you dude,
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killcat 5y ago
It's not just teaching self defense, even suggesting that women can reduce their risks by making smart choices is "victim blaming".
Irtotallynotrobot 5y ago
That's why you should never trust someone arguing from a moral point, the inverse can always be twisted into existence. It's morally just to empower women so that they cannot be overpowered by the evil men. It's morally just not to empower women because the evil men should be the ones to change.
It's all nonsense. Morality is a mistress, logic is King. People have to protect each other and themselves in order to survive.
Thanks for the post.
AllahHatesFags 5y ago
If you analyze this logically, what these feminist cunts are really saying is that they actually want more women to get raped just so they can play the victim card. How fucked up is that?
rpjruh 5y ago
I can’t even begin to understand that mindset. It seems increasingly rational to be prepared for the worst. There are some fucked up people out there that just want to take advantage. Why would you not want to be prepared for a scenario like that? It doesn’t matter that in your heart of hearts you believe it should never happen. We have free will and people can mostly do as they please.
In a lot of ways it’s just Darwinism at it’s finest.
ruga2 5y ago
You are guilty of other people's crimes, like if you are black, you are responsible of all black men on jails, if you are Chinese, you are responsible for all of Mao's murders, if you are German, you are responsible for all the nazis.
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You are responsible for all the rapists, as your personal fault. You are responsible for all the centuries of patriarchy, even when woman are equals on any terms today (but is not your virtue to haven given any rights to women). You are responsible for every man that did anything to any woman.
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WhatDreamsHaveGone 5y ago
I'll give up my own self-defence training then. Next time I get mugged or stabbed or some drunk guy starts a fight, I will instead educate them on the errors of their shameful patriarchal toxic masculinity.
While we're at it, let's stop telling kids to stay away from strangers with candy in the back of their van.
Let's stop looking before we cross the road.
SnowMonkeyCracker 5y ago
9mm of lead will stop 6 inches of penis.
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lebeastmode 5y ago
Self defense is the ultimate equalizer. It's shows that all humans are mortal. Yes there are outliers but everyone can bleed, get knocked out, and break.I Why would a woman in her prime need defense is she is a goddess that inspires armys? Only when she realizes that the men who used to fight wars for her stop showing up does she throw curses upon the able man.
exit_sandman 5y ago
Even though you're right, the problem goes deeper than that. One problem with the current version of feminism (on top of the problems previous versions had) is that, like all those social justice horseshit has been turned into a business model, with foundations, tenures and political careers depending on it. And the worst that could happen to people whose livelihood depends on this business model is if it became obsolete.
rus9384 5y ago
Well, I also saw femenazi who are into self-defence. Well, I guess that is required for femenazi as they literally want a war against men.
In this case, however, radical feminists are acting as always. That's only you who must change, we are too lazy asses to change ourselves. Pretty big overlap with body
positivismnegativism where women protest female depictions.magx01 5y ago
"We live in a reality but I do not think people should prepare for said reality; said reality that I say is factual should just stop existing!"
Idealism vs practicality (aka feminine thinking vs masculine) has become moralized and that's a big fucking problem.
Hjalmbere 5y ago
Spot on. Feminism and other totalitarian ideologies don't want you to work on improving yourself. Feminism and other totalitarian ideologies want women to be constant victims with an outer locus of control. The invention of the so-called Patriarchy was a stroke of genius. An invisible force that is responsible for the negative effects of unrestrained female behavior.
ruga2 5y ago
The Patriarchy is the perfect strawman.
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Nobody jumps on his defense. It can be accused of anything with impunity. Then all his faults are blamed on men.
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When they accuse him of not teaching other men to not rape, the implication is that he is guilty of other men's rape. That's the strawman. He's guilty, so it's your fault.
SalporinRP 5y ago
I don't understand the whole "we should teach men not to rape" argument. We already fucking teach men not to rape. But sadly rape will happen, no matter how many times we drill into people's heads that it's wrong.
But women can also take steps to reduce the likelihood of it happening.
I remember back in high school I got written up for making a RP-like analogy way before I even knew about this community. We were talking about drunk sex in health class my sophomore year and I bring up how of course we should teach men not to rape but women should take steps to lower the likelihood of it happening. My teacher, a woman of course angrily asks me to explain and I feel every eye in the room on me.
So I made the simple analogy that we teach people not to steal, but obviously theft will happen. So I wouldn't walk around at 2am in a dangerous neighborhood with a gold watch displayed on my wrist because there's a decent chance I could get mugged. I then went on to relate it to how some women go out and get blackout drunk at parties with no consideration of the possible consequences.
Immediate shrieking ensued about how "WE NEED TO TEACH MEN NOT TO RAPE". I tried to argue back but was thrown out of class and written up.
And that's when I learned to just smile and not at the SJW bs you hear in public. No sense trying to be some sort of martyr.
oooKenshiooo 5y ago
How people can not understand that seems amazing to me.
I always liken it to seatbelts. I always use them and would make my kids use them. Even though I have great faith in my driving ability, some drunk jerk may very well crash into my car head on. It's not my fault, but my hypothetical daughter does not care who is to blame for her crushed body. She will ask me why I did not fasten her seatbelt, not why we don't teach men not to drive drunk.
lieutenantdonut 5y ago
A. Fucking. Men. This post has given me the answer as to why all of my feeble female friends are anti-gun nuts but still preach on how dangerous it is to just exist as a female on any given day. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.
ruga2 5y ago
It does not matter what you do. You are always at fault.
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It is a manipulatory tactic that aims to reduce your status, by shaming you.
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If you enter the argument, you accept the frame, and that's what reduces your status.
It does not matter what you do or what you answer. What matters is that you accept the premise that they judge and you explain/obey.
Hyper_Sonik 5y ago
That's because feminism doesn't actually want independent women. It's a front. They are holding double standards. Classic female strategy. WOMEN ARE INDEPENDENT AND JUST AS CAPABLE AS MEN TEACHING WOMEN SELF DEFENSE IS DEFENDING THE FEMININE AND IF MEN TRY TO TEACH WOMEN HOW TO DEFEND, THEY MUST ASSUME WOMEN ARE WEAK!!!
Lol
RicoDunne 5y ago
Why do you care about what feminzi's think anyway? You have your mission and stay strong in it.
oooKenshiooo 5y ago
Because some of those work in the same circles as I do (I am a musician) and shitstorming can get you banned from venues or make your contacts dry up. I got enough other options, sure, but I would prefer things to grow along the lines I set my mind on.