The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.
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weaponizeincels 5y ago
I measure how this makes me feel as a person searching for someone. Extremely turned off. Not for the sorts of fridge reasons that people automatically assume though. I want very badly to be able to be in the position of the pursuer and show pretty much animal lust towards a guy but I still wouldn't want to do that with someone with this mind set because it completely removes all psychological authority from the male. :( Ironically so because pill takers are so focused on appearing strong, but I don't see how the desperation of automatically wanting sex from literally any woman is strong in anyway. It's pathetic. Isn't it the same kind of basic marketing ideas that people shill around here that the easier to obtain a thing is the lower it's value? So... you don't apply that to yourself though?
So I want to know why the logic around here is so skewed that way. Do you actually see yourself as an animal who wants sex no matter what? Because I don't think this place would exist if that was actually true. One wouldn't have to secondarily create many layers of trying to psychologically get sex if it was only exclusively about sex on the surface. It's clearly not. So why exactly keep up the facade that superficial sex is the most important thing?
Is it sort of removing men's actual psychological & sexual authority but assuming they are and treating them like some kind of animals who only want sex?
“Everything in the world is about sex except sex. Sex is about power.” Oscar Wilde
Okay sorry if this post was offensive. Seems like no matter how hard I try to word things just right I still manage to offend people in places like this. inb4: 'post removed, user banned, multiple males sending me messages of how my post gave them panic attacks, etc'. I'm not at all saying male sexuality is bad, or wanting sex is bad. Those things are not bad. But aren't you self degrading if you treat it like it's nothing and should just be given away like it's nothing...?
So, again, ironically so... aren't you depicting yourselves as less than and lower than females even though the entire premise of your ideology is to try to appear strong in order to attract women...?
weaponizeincels 5y ago
Lol, men have no choice though right? Rape is illegal. You have to wait for sex if you want it at all.
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ChesterRickman 5y ago
The most successful guys I know usually have oneitis for some girl with who they failed hard, but in the meantime they spin plates with other girls who they don't really give a shit about. They get continously rejected by this one girl while the harem side-bitches adore them. It's really crazy.
olimpicus 5y ago
Fuck... When i'm most successful is when i'm in that state. When i was in college I even once kissed 4 girls in a party and then had (bad) sex with one and sex with another a couple of days after... Cause my gf at the time cheated on me. I wanted to cry i didn't really enjoyed it i was full oneitis. Even i couldn't have sex with the second one a couple days after cause i was sad as fuck. She said it was the worst experience of her life cause she had never been rejected, she cryed like crazy even though she knew i was cheating on my cheater gf.
After many years passed i'm glad i did it anyway. I'd have loved to enjoy it lol
P.S: many years later i would have killed to have the luck i had at that time lol i went months without fucking and i thought i lost my mojo. Then i discovered the red pill and i got sex again but i never could kiss even 2 girls at the same time again
ChesterRickman 5y ago
Still though, it’s a shitty state to be in. You get success but none of the mid and long term enjoyment because you are stuck thinking about your tumor of a oneitis.
majani 5y ago
Currently going through this right now. It's a huge hit to the ego when you seem to have done everything right, but a hot chick still doesn't want to have sex with you. It's worst when she pulls out of it at the last minute.
ChesterRickman 5y ago
She doesn’t even have to be hot, I caught oneitis for a meh 7, and I know I’m still struggling with it a year later. In the meantime I pulled much hotter chicks but I don’t care about them a quarter as much. Something like „There are many like it but this one is mine”, you feel me?
majani 5y ago
Yeah. Oneitis is a force of nature. Your body is basically screaming at you to put a baby in that suitable woman and it taunts you, calling you a fucking idiot when you miss the opportunity.
ChesterRickman 5y ago
I wonder if there‘s a biological compatibility aspect to oneitis that‘s being perceived by the male brain.
Nikkozezim 5y ago
A crazy case study would be my best friend in high school. His name was Dallas. He would constantly cheat on his girlfriend, and everyone knew it. Women still lined up to fuck him. His girl stayed with him until he literally left the school. She was addicted nonetheless. They weren’t ugly either. As a matter of fact, I was envious of his relationship and his affairs at the same time. As his best friend, I knew it all.
He was the most dark triad individual I ever knew. Charismatic as hell, didn’t care how people felt about his actions, whether it be who’s girlfriend he fucked, or how much he cheated. All he cared about were the brothers in his camp, including myself. I envied his inability to empathize, because at one point a girl broke my heart, and he just told me to go fuck some other girls and I’d be fine.
It took months until I was fine.
No matter what it seemed like he won. I am a year older than him (we are both in college right now) and I remember seeing his prom picture. The girl was a fucking stunner. He kept doing it, my success with women always paled in comparison. I constantly keep him in mind when trying to achieve this dark triad that I may never be able to achieve. Narcissism/machiavellianism is all I have been able to personally get somewhat of a grip of. I have too much empathy...
Done spitballing.
bbcbarbarossa 5y ago
sounds like a chad tier guy rather than a triad personality.
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Try the triad personality as a 4/10 indian.
markinsinz7 5y ago
Yes this part should be talked about more. This Dallas guy may not necessarily have been Chad but he had the base minimum level looks(8+) required for chick's to go his way and in HS that is huge especially since in HS very very few know to game chicks.
Most guys in hS get laid by status(sports, band etc) or looks.
ROTHSCHILD_GOON_1913 5y ago
doesn't sound very "dark triad" if he actually cared about his bros and had their back when the chips were down
just sounds like a guy who understands women, that's all
Nikkozezim 5y ago
I’d push back solely due to the transactionality of our friend groups relationships.
We operated on a we owe each other thing. No snitching when engaging in illegal activity.
Want someone beat up? We are all on it whether we like it or not. Beef or not.
Shit like that.
statisticalnormality 5y ago
Yes in my opinion psychopathy manifests itself more as “opt-in emotions”, instead of complete mechanical disconnect from the world. So it’s more like they are completely able to distance themselves emotionally from a situation on command, yet still able to have emotional relationships with people. I guess the psychological term is “compartmentalization”.
The evidence is pretty clear this is the case, too, if you consider your example with Dallas who can still have deep loyal emotional connections with your friend group, but simultaneously be entirely detached from his bitches.
Also with actual psychopaths, notice how they are exceedingly emotional/violent in the moment and have cravings and desires just like us: they simply have the capacity to see people as objects, in effect completely emotionless, unsympathetic tools for their end. Obviously this is an extreme example, but since psychopaths are by definition the most concentrated representations of psychopathy, it’s a useful comparison.
Nikkozezim 5y ago
Precisely. I’ve know the guy for years, and once we got into a dispute a few years back and he freezed me out for months and we later resumed our friendship like nothing happened. It was weird. And he even accompanied me to see to a beef I had with some dude, still reliable.
Plus, the extent to which he talked about and treated women as objects was scary at times. Like rape apologist scary. I can’t say I ever addressed that with him though.
Again, I envied his ability to seemingly activate and deactivate emotions. Effortlessly.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
I don't think he's a psychopath. Very rarely do people describe psychopaths as reliable. They are pretty much the opposite of reliable. It seems like he just has a really clear idea of who matters to him, and everyone else is simply worthless.
statisticalnormality 5y ago
Yep. And as weird as it sounds, that ties in with other traditionally masculine culture elements, specifically philosophy. One thing that both cynicism (think the guy who lived in a barrel and ate nothing to avoid longing for worldly possessions) and stoicism (Marcus Aurelius, “control what you can and love what you cannot”) have in common is that aspect of emotional control. Both stoicism and cynicism advocated for undergoing periods of material deprivation to better control your emotional reactions to the world. In stoicism’s case, this was specifically to promote a feeling of gratitude in your day to day life, kind of like those rags to riches stories about the poor kid who learns to love life and doesn’t get corrupted by wealth, unlike the rich kid who had everything handed to him. Stoicism is the masculine philosophy (minus the reckless altruism) so it’s interesting seeing how different points of male psyche intersect: “dark triad” traits like psychopathy, and stoic mindset/frame. Cool huh?
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odaklanan_insan 5y ago
Why didn't you just suck his dick then?
Since when phsycopathy and BPD is considered a merit?
TRP preaches phsycos are only good for erasing from your life. And I say the only good phsyco is a dead phsyco.
Sirkisskindofman 5y ago
That last line is cold-blooded as hell. Can I suck your duck? I'm wet for you daddy
Nikkozezim 5y ago
Re-fucking-lax. Its not that complex. The guy got what he wanted all the time, and I wanted to know how. A lot of people want to know how.
odaklanan_insan 5y ago
We already know. The key to sexual success is "stoicism". Not Phsycopathy. If you can't see the difference, I can't help you, read the sidebar.
SirChadsAlot 5y ago
Don’t envy his lack of humanity. Sure he was able to bang a lot of woman, but these woman lacked confidence and were narcissistic themselves.
Although a good amount of girls are like this, there are also women who see right through an empty shell.
Most high school girls lack morals, so of course he was ruler of that jungle. How’s he gonna do in his 30s around women with careers? Yup
Read “Models” by Mark Manson and stop aspiring to only get shallow bitches like your dull friend
entrep4 5y ago
I think you're missing a lot of TRP. Why would he want to get women in their 30s with careers who are looking for a beta provider before they start to look too old when he can still get 21 year olds?
SirChadsAlot 5y ago
Husband =/= Beta Provider
A marriage isn't about providing for you wife, it's being the man in the household and taking charge of your family in terms of success and well being.
You think buying groceries for you family and cooking dinner will make you a beta? If so, then that mentality makes you one.
All the power to you if all you want in life is emotionless encounters though. But one night stands and shallow plates gets boring fast unless you have a sex/porn addiction.
Learn how to unprogram yourself from this beta mentality of thinking fucking woman makes you happy and grow as a man with hobbies and spirituality.
entrep4 5y ago
I didn't mention anything about marriage. If I was going to settle down with someone I'd choose someone well under 30 though. Of course I don't think providing for your family is beta. Don't know where you got that from. Too many assumptions.
I think settling for a 30+ woman is a shit deal for any well accomplished man. Settle with a 20 something instead. Not a 30+ career woman who has already hit the wall.
adam-l Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
1st point:
Women were always attracted to the leaders. There are two ways for women to have their attraction circuits "triggered": observe the man actually leading, and observe the man exhibiting behaviors that are typical of, and allowed only to, leaders.
2nd point:
Knowing the above: What if you can effect the above behaviors, without actually being a leader of anyone, without even having the capacity to be the leader? What if you somehow manage to exhibit the attractive behaviors without the possessing the underlying "specifications" to actually lead others?
3rd point:
Humans evolved in bands. That is to say, until a few thousand years ago. all humans lived in small groups of ~40 to ~150 people, were everyone knew everyone else. In a setting like that, Dark Triad traits have no chance. Narcissism, Machiavellianism and Psychopathy need a wide social ground in order to thrive. They need the ability to hide, deceive, pose, lie etc. It is impossible to pull all these through in a band setting.
Thesis:
"Dark triad" men are men that have a predisposition (biological and/or psychological) to exhibit "leadership", "I'm the man" behaviors that are attractive to women. These traits are viable only in an extended society, as is the large-scale societies of the past 5-6 millennia. In a small band, you could only get away with them if you really had it, and had the consent of other men. Otherwise, those traits got you ostracized or killed.
It is neither the Narcissist, nor the Machiavellian that "kills the enemy". These are the guys that would have you kill the enemy and they get the credit, while you get killed or maimed in the process. As for the psychopath, he is more probable to kill members of his own band, than the enemy.
Note that it is precisely the extreme difficulty to pull through the air of importance that the Dark Triad men had, in a tight prehistoric band, which is what makes them attractive. It was so dangerous to pose as important if you were not really important, that makes it an expensive, i.e. "honest" signal.
We should have cleared this things up, but it seems that the shadow of the Hobbesian view of prehistory is still long and dark.
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Govedo13 5y ago
Nice article. Reminds me of the Britain's most famous prisoner - Charles Bronson and his story. It is great read if you have the time for it. Women are attracted to such damaged people like fleas to shit.
OSaraiva 5y ago
Like the pet lion comparison, posted here every while.
BrosefJones85 5y ago
When most males are betas this is what happens.