The average person doesn't live to be 80 years old. But for the sake of optimism, we're gonna use 80 years as our deadline (no pun intended).
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School = 18 years. By the time you get the freedom to choose how your life plays out, you've already been forced to waste nearly 25% of your life.
I don't know about you, but I've learned absolutely nothing useful in school. I've yet to need to know about history, math (cuz calculators exist now), social studies (not actually about social stuff, but about government history, for any curious non-American readers), black history (a newer topic, focused on instilling the black victim mentality in young black students), English, or any of the other classes I've often opted to sleep through.
/rant.
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Work | Lets crunch the numbers, so you can see I'm not bullshitting.
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Sleep: 8 hours (the shortest amount you can get while still remaining useful.)
Work: 8 Hours, usually.
Travel Time To & From Work: 1 hour.
Time spent eating throughout the day: 2 hours.
Time in 1 day: 24 hours.
Let's assume you have no obligations during the weekends.
There are 52 weekends in 1 year
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8 + 8 + 1 +2 = 19.
24 - 19 = 5.
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You get 5 hours of every day to live how you wish.
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5 * 365 = 1,825 (hours)
1,825 / 24 = 76 (Days)
76 + 52 = 128 (Days)
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So out of every year, you get 128 days to actually live. To put that into perspective, that's only 35%.
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18 years gone, 62 left. Clocks ticking.
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128 * 62 = 3844 (Days)
3844 / 365 = 10.5 (Years)
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So out of the 80 years you've got to live, you only get to spend 10 actually living.
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To put that into perspective, that's a whopping 12.5% of your lifespan. The other 87.5% is spent making the freedom of another man possible.
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Still wanna be a sheep?
mattii__mo 5y ago
Dude.. no. Schoolsets you up for success. School gives you the opportunity to make money, to socialize, to occupy your time because you would just waste it. It’s incredibly valuable, and you can see that by how great our country is. #maga #maga
Menchstick 5y ago
Your conclusion seems arbitrary to me. Time spent working is not wasted. 8 hours is not the minimum you need to operate normally, the minimum is 6, the recommended amount of sleep time is 7.5. Commuting doesn't necessarily need that much time but I guess yours is a good average.
The stuff I learned in school turned out to be incredibly useful, for work, for socializing, for solving everyday problems and to be able to fucking think for myself, to the point I wish I actually studied in those years instead of smoking in the courtyard and chasing girls like a loser.
Even using the numbers you came up with, which are biased towards the point you want to make, 5 hours of free time are plenty considering you get weekends and holidays.
You act as if every fucking thing you do is a chore. Maybe you hate your job, you despise eating and you think sleeping is a bloody travesty but this is not the case for everyone, even most people I'd say.
Whatever you do, whether you're having dinner, you're climbing or you're working, you are living your fucking life, don't act as if that is some kind of torture.
PS2Errol 5y ago
From most research 70-80% of people hate/dislike their jobs. They only do it for the money and because they have to.
Flynn-Lives 5y ago
Jesus christ, man. Saying math is useless "cuz calculators exist now" is a serious display of ignorance. Education is the foundation of modern society. Do you really want people unaware of how their government works? That's a good idea. Or unaware of their history as a nation or the follies of their past? Let's not teach science either so we can all starve and die of disease while we're at it. Being educated is the debt you owe society in order to enjoy the fruits of what it's built with the hope that some day you can contribute back. A few centuries ago, you'd get to work in a fucking field as soon as you were physically able to, not given 18 free years to develop as a person and learn about the world with your peers.
Andgelyo 5y ago
Whoah whoah hold the fuck up. You motherfuckers actually get 8 hours of sleep a day? I’d be lucky if get 7, I usually only get 6 a day.
DigitalDragonSlayer 5y ago
Saved.
This is why I started my own business and everyone so has a creative or entrepreneurial spirit should consider the same.
notadaddy 5y ago
This is why I quit my job. I looked around and saw myself in ten years. Everybody around me had nice stuff, and all that jazz, but they were also getting surgeries left and right, on pills, etc. I was like “fuck that”. Now on the other side I only drink one or two beers on the weekend, max! one thing I’ve learned is that alcoholism=escapism, but because everybody does it, we all think it’s in good fun. No one cares that you’ve been killing yourself alowly for the last 5 years or that everybody looks like a fat piece of shit.
Now I’m doing what I need to do, setting up my business selling cute cartoon art and making animations for them.
I should have done this in my twenties though...not at 40....but no pills and surgeries for me so that’s a start.
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
Your sleep isn't "making the freedom of another man possible"
And don't forget you don't work for free, so you can't imply that all your work is for someone else.
This whole post is fucking dumb
D3athN0te101 5y ago
*Unless you've been through a divorce.
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
In which case god help you
Casanova-Quinn 5y ago
One thing to keep in mind is that if you love (or least like) your job, it won't always feel like a waste of time. This is why it's important to go for a career you enjoy.
ArcticFox2014 5y ago
"128 * 62 = 3844 "
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Nah bro, according to our good friend google 128 * 62 is 7936
D3athN0te101 5y ago
ok. 21 years.
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My point still stands. Out of 80 years, you should allocate the majority doing what you love.
And most people DON'T love their jobs. If that doesn't apply to you, then you'll likely get no value from this post.
MirrorThaoss 5y ago
You instantly lost me there, that's the kind of shit edgy 15yo say.
Saying math is useless on Reddit from a phone (or computer) is so ironical.
Look at that :
Why don't you count the 8 hours of sleep as free time in the week since you manifestly count them as free time during the week-end.
What you made doesn't make sense.
Wtf, because free time doesn't exist it your 18 first years ?
You just work and sleep 24/24 ?
Why wouldn't you count the free time you have there.
And holidays, they don't exist ? Where I'm from you have >1month of paid holidays per year, that's not free time ?
Anyway, let's just admit your point was that "Not even 25% of your life is free time because you sleep, work, drive , eat" and the maths mistake don't change the point (still funny that your post tells that learning math is a waste of time while making shitty math 2sec laters).
And what ? Is that supposed to be surprising ? Anyone knows that you spend most of your time sleeping and working.
Only 12.5 years of absolute free time... thats huge if you know how to spend it.
That "oh look you work, you're a sheep" mind is immature, that's the kind of thing any teenager realize before thinking he's special for knowing something irrelevant.
What do you expect, spending yours days getting free shit and doing nothing for money ?
The real thing is how fulfilling your life is, working 4,6 or 8 hours per day can have an impact it's not the most important thing at all, but your reasonning is childish.
Mangasbzo7 5y ago
Lol you're missing the point. Yes his maths isn't right, it probably is like 20% or 25% of your lifespan you get free, but that doesn't change the conclusion
MirrorThaoss 5y ago
I know that the maths aren't the point, I mentionned it :
Still, OP's point is childish. He just realized that the proportion of free time in a lifetime is low and jumps to "omg everybody is a sheep we don't live"
But no, just no.
It has never been easier in history to travel around the world, learn new things (in litterature, science, ...) , and have fun in general ( you can practise so much sports, have so much entertainment available.
If you live in a western society, you can make hell of a good life even if you work 8 hours/day from monday to friday.
The_DailyDrive 5y ago
Your general idea is good: time is limited. But you did not take account of most people retiring at age 60-65. Also the hours slept and commute etc applies to everyone, even people that owns their own businesses.
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Believe it or not, but working 8 hours a day is the MINIMUM to becoming successful, most business owners and entrepreneurs actually works more (10-12 hours a day for many years) in order to continue to grow their business.
linkofinsanity19 5y ago
I've done this kind of math myself before and I can't disagree with OP. However, let's look on the bright side for a sec. We're 10x better off than our ancestors of even 150 years ago. Back then, we would have spent the majority of our time working on our parents' farm (assuming they had their own amd weren't working someone else's) doing chores and going to school. Our potential to learn new skills from someone on the other side of the world or to even know of those things would be quite low.
We currently have the best standard of living in history, which makes even being a sheep a very attractive option. However, our potential to live anywhere and do anything is also much higher than ever before, but less enticing to the majority. The only questions that remains is, "Is your current lifestyle enough for you?" and if it isn't, "What are you going to do about it?"
RPSilverfox 5y ago
And if you get married just minus whatever is left and bring it down to zero. Game over.
new__vision 5y ago
I work from home, which let's me cap work at 3-4 hours. I still deliver massive value to my company and I am a key employee. I recently flew in to the office for a week, and I don't understand how people don't go insane working in an office 8+ hours per day. It seems inhumane. It shouldn't matter if I want to go to the gym or get groceries in the middle of the day, I'm still going to get my work done. But to force me to sit in the same chair for the arbitrary 8+ hours doesn't make sense. It actually inhibits productivity. The 9-5 workday is a relic from the past. Thankfully there has been a rise in remote jobs and more independent income like consulting and entrepreneurship.
Heizenbrg 5y ago
As a new grad software engineer im putting off remote as I need to see how to work in a company, but remote is definitely on my list. I would feel lonely I’m not the type to make friends easy and going out on my own. Work let’s you Know people
GoldenshadowRic 5y ago
Damn. What is it that you do?
RealMcGonzo 5y ago
I ran something similar, hours in a day:
Sleep 8
Work 8
Get up, shower, breakfast 1
Commute (round trip) 1.5
Lunch 1
Dinner 1
Gym 1
Total 21.5 hours. Total left 2.5 hours. And no time for chores, sex, movies, laundry, maintenance around the house, washing the car, beers with the boys, dinner with a plate, etc. Barely enough time to watch a fucking movie. 9-5 schlebs are literally living for the weekend. And the crazy career chasers work those 2.5 hours, so all they do is work, eat and sleep. All week. Every week. For decades.
I decided a long time ago that was fucking crazy. Ten years later, I work about 4 hours a day (not 8) from home, eat breakfast and lunch at my desk. So that's 7 more hours I get.
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RealMcGonzo 5y ago
Yeah, I should have mentioned that if you like the plan, hard work is great. Even if you just like your work or you are building something worthwhile, putting your all into something is a lot of fun - as long as you see the trade and still want it. Different story for the average guy out there, working at boring job, putting in all that pointless time. For me, I found a couple jobs that were worth the time and effort. Just not for long. Tried everything from tiny startups to my current employer in the Fortune 100. The few worthwhile jobs I found soon deteriorated. Soon I realized what I call the 20/90 rule for corporate America. Work at 20% of capacity, get 90% of the rewards, put your heart and hard work into other things.
linkofinsanity19 5y ago
Just saying, I've done the math before for S&Gs. You could realistically 60 years off of 2M (~33k/yr) and quite well off 3M (~50k/yr). Invest it in something to provide passive income and/or maybe get some super easy part time job to reduce burning through savings, and you could just live in a new country every year if travel was your thing, or get your white picket fence or anything in between.
GoldenshadowRic 5y ago
If you don't mind reaching it. What do you do for work? I want to pursue something that will get me out of this grind of being busy doing nothing.
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monsieurhire2 5y ago
That's great that you are doing that, but be mindful of your health. Since you have plenty of money, you can afford to get check-ups. The only possible downside to working like that would be if you died from some stress-induced illness that snuck up on you because your youth allowed you to habituate to the tell-tale symptoms. I knew a few guys that passed away in their twenties before they got to claim the prize they were working for. However, it sounds like you are well ahead of the game, so carry on.
Also, make sure that you are enjoying life in the present as a hedge against no future. There are macro-events, like wars, plane crashes, economic collapses, etc. that can also strike a man down and strip him of his fortunes. We can try to protect ourselves against those outcomes, but ultimately, the future isn't knowable, so there you have it.
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monsieurhire2 5y ago
What sort of LSD trips, exactly? I mean, did you get some sort of training / instruction on how to make the most out of psychedelics, or do you just take it, and go into a forest with some buddies?
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monsieurhire2 5y ago
Yeah, I wish I had prepared properly to process the experience all those years ago, but mostly there was hysteria, superstitious, and people doing it purely for hedonic purposes.
What I learned:
Better to do it outside than inside. Inside makes you focus inward on yourself, and it can be very uncomfortable. Outside, you feel connected to nature, as part of a continuum;
That to large extent, we are bio-chemical phenomena, and that our perceptions are heavily influenced by our biochemistry, which includes what we put in our bodies, and that the addition or subtraction of certain chemicals can profoundly influence how we perceive things. I learned this on an experiential level, as a opposed to an abstract level, and it heightened my sensitivity to how various substances affect me.
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monsieurhire2 5y ago
a. Keepers of ancient traditions that predate modern technology;
b. They subscribe to non-materialist values and thus provide an example of what people are like who don't subscribe to them;
I have heard of people who get their heads wrapped around meditation very quickly and enjoy the benefits, or even achieve "enlightenment" in a fraction of the time. When you factor in that in the past, people were suffering from all kinds of ailments produced by a hostile environment, and our ability to control our own inputs, it has never been easier to remove environmental distractions such as brain fog from a bad diet, or crippling illnesses.
LSD is a relatively new innovation, although mushrooms and other hallucinogens have been around for thousands of years. I mean, if I were you, I might stick to mushrooms, unless you are sophisticated enough to synthesize your own, or can otherwise completely qualify the seller. I haven't done of any that stuff in several decades, and have been drug free since I discovered a hobby that I am passionate about, although I do drink 1-2 cups of coffee a day, and have an occasional glass of red wine.
Meditation is like developing a muscle. There are all kinds of exercises you can do with your mind. If you don't do these exercises, the abilities atrophy over time. Ideally, one would receive training from an adept who knows all the exercises that produce the most return on time spent on them. I did attend a meditation retreat, that was intense, and because of the intense amount of time spent on learning the skill, I took something away from it that I carry with me, which is basically just another type of heightened awareness.
I agree with what you say about the motivations of many men who become monks. It was the best choice for them. Kind of like jail or the army. But many chose it voluntarily, and many came to see the wisdom of the lifestyle. It's not like materialism makes people happier. They habituate to whatever comfort they have, then want more. Choosing to see through the illusory nature of the comforts and getting to the bare essentials of what is important is a rational, sane choice, and there is a reason why TRP calls one of the important phases of its process "monk mode." Also, MGTOWs are monks, albeit to their own individualized gods. I might become a monk if I live to be 70 and can't think of anything else to do with my time. Might be edifying to do for a year.
yungassed 5y ago
I starting mediating at 16 ever since trying shrooms for the first time. I only started using lsd when I went to grad school and met a guy with a chemistry PhD that makes it himself. I've done a 3 day silent meditation retreat before. Dont get me wrong, I wasnt shitting on meditation, I was shitting on when you make it your entire life. There are many useful benefits, but I feel like I've come to the point where I've self actualized my understanding enough that anything more wont take me anywhere but it is still essential to tune back in to maintain that understanding now and then. I stand by what I said before, the only real way to opt out of this game is death, anything else is just a way to reframe your current position to seem higher in status to others. I highly respect any monastery that is self-sufficient, like the one in the United states that produces some of the best trained german shepherds in the world. Anything that relies on donation and the goodwill of others is highly suspicious to me.
Look up a famous yogi called Osho aka Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh. He is a hilarious character that played the noble meditating yogi the best way possible.
D3athN0te101 5y ago
somebody pin this comment to the top
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Edit: Actual Response.
I agree with your comment.
That said, I was only counting the average mans obligations.
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The average man MUST work 9-5, because he knows no other way.
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Things like hitting the Gym are an example of you spending time for you, not spending time for money/wasting time.
Hitting the Gym is your freedom, not your obligation.
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This is why I didn't count the free time you have as a child. Because in that time period, you don't have freedom, your life is not yours to do what you will.
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For better or worse, a child's will is controlled by the parent(s). And the time wasted in school essentially mirrors that of the working adult life (both = 8 hours + 1 hour commute). Perhaps worse, with the onslaught of homework kids are given these days.
guintoo 5y ago
I share this sort of things to my friends. I've mentioned before we've only got that much time in our lives to actually enjoy and that does not include working and obligations. But they see me as crazy and weird. But I am the one enjoying my life and all I hear them talk about is how much they hate work and I laugh inside
Vikingcel 5y ago
Nobody wants to be a sheep, it's just very hard to not be one.
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mattii__mo 5y ago
You’re the definition of a sheep. And a negative fuckin sheep atthat
Vikingcel 5y ago
You have yet to adress my point. I would ask why exactly am I sheepish, but you couldn't come up with anything anyway.
krowitz 5y ago
i understand your premise and came to this same line of thinking as before.
i started sleeping and waking up at the same time. i allot 8 hours, but i usually only need 6. 2 hours, I can lift a few, cook, (i make a lot and put portions on containers for reheating) watch tv, whatever.
work is 8 hours. I love my job (im a software architect) so i don't mind working. besides the job is easy. i get to study, i get to read books, which i really love doing.
i work side jobs, mostly consultancy stuff. startup competitors who seek advice on how to proceed. i use the money to cover my living expenses. (i live rather simply)
my salary, i save. i cashed out enough when btc was around $13k. i don't really need much to live comfortably, i think this is key.
i have two cars but I take the bus to work. the commute is used for more reading, answering emails and stuff.
so that covers the working day. weekends, im free. just get a few lifts in. hike, bike, drive around, whatever.
what am i getting at here?
live simply. the less you need, the freer you get. the time where you are forced, (i.e. commute, work) make it count. if you think you can, get out of corporate. but im not sure that's for me. i lile having structure.
i do have dreams. and goals. but i also live in the now while looking forward. i just don't want to come off as contented.
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Saved. Thanks for doing the calculation work so I didn't have to lol
yomo86 5y ago
My first observation is not so bleak. First, don't be a wage slave. A 40h work-week can be used quite effectivly. Do your taxes when having downtime. Read something acquire new skills to switch jobs.
Second, any experience is good experience even school. Did you learn really nothing of value? Well, you did. Opinons about courses aside, basic math, English etc.
Lesson 1. You get a hands on experience on how society works in a protected relatable setting absent from any goverment interference. You learn that people have not much evolved from apes. Violence, mischief, betrayel. Everything is there. We adults just used to see it through the lovely nostalgic goggles.
Lesson 2 Kids are quite honest. Success is earned by good looks, social surrounding, hard work ie studying in this particular setting, being popular and being opportunistic. Not by some god-given touch that is out of your reach.
Lesson 3. Another valuable lesson for any men: if you want to do shady things, make sure to stay within the boundaries of the rules.
Lesson 4. Kids are also prone to be cruelly fair in the Darwinistic sense. Weak minded persons fall behind and your last years bff had been forgotten during summer vacation. So be better not weak.
You have just 18 years to build your own How-To succeed foundation during school. After that the whole fraud of 'being a good person' and being 'civilized' comes into play. Words and actions are minced, the behaviour stays the same but ironically the outcome is much more severe. So use it.
One last caveat: Winners see opportunity (and jump ship when there is none) losers see failures.
SKRedPill 5y ago
https://alifeofproductivity.com/a-simple-trick-that-will-let-you-live-13-6-years-longer/
McVaghunter 5y ago
You did not take in consideration the free weekend (for me Saturday and Sunday = 104 days per year and for most people that's at least 52 days a year), the holidays and the vacations...
Also you did not present an alternative, you just pointed out a problem without providing a solution.
Chadster113 5y ago
It’ll all comes down to this: When you’re older will you regret how you’ve spent you time?
Frenetic_Zetetic 5y ago
The part nobody wants to think about is HOW MUCH TIME IS WASTED just getting ready for shit. Yeah, you have to be there for 9 to 5, and we factor in traffic etc. - but now ADD the extra 30-45 mins before you leave to shower, pack up, etc. Even if you do this before hand you still have to spend time doing it. Most office workers spend 12 hours a day making 7 hours of pay.
tyronethejabrone 5y ago
How much you raking in my guy
D3athN0te101 5y ago
depends on how much I feel like getting off my ass.
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My peak was $2200 in 1 day though, since you're asking for a number.
bider_swit 5y ago
That’s good. Care to share what you do?
D3athN0te101 5y ago
Background:
I've been repairing electronics since i was 8 years old (broke, only way to get new stuff was outta the dumpster).
As a result, I'm better at my craft than most with a literal degree.
As a bonus, I live in College Station, Texas. A town swarming with students needing to pinch pennies just to survive, will be fucked if their tech gets fucked (school computers are essential), and my only reputable competition at the moment is Best Buy.
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What I do:
All i do is offer to fix stuff @ HALF of what Best Buy charges, and customers line up like its Black Friday.
Easily cover cost of living in 1 day (col = $800).
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Funny story:
I actually started my biz after getting butthurt by Best Buy.
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'Twas my dream job, been wanting to work there since I was just a wee lad.
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Then, I got an interview, got rejected, and my dreams were crushed.
In their own words, I "didn't meet the qualifications".
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I straight up started this biz with the sole intention of giving Best Buy the finger.
Everything after was just a bonus.
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The cherry on top?
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The interviewer actually came to me needing his desktop fixed one day. Short circuited the motherboard after spilling beer inside it (a problem more common than I'd have ever imagined).
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I added a "fuck you" tax of about $100 to his bill.
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Note: This is pretty much a copy/paste from someone else who asked what I do on another sub. Lots of unnecessary info.
TL;DR: I fix stuff.
mattii__mo 5y ago
And you don’t make any money. Repairs aren’t hard. Scavenging trash isn’t a career, and people “with a literal degree” are way better off. You pullin in 200+ a year? Didn’t think so.. school is the way to go
D3athN0te101 5y ago
You're right. But if a customer wants to pay me $200 to do a 15-30 minute repair, you can bet your last taco I'm gonna do it.
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I haven't scavenged "trash" since I was a kid. Read the rest of my comment, fam.
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And no, people with a degree aren't better off. Every last graduate I know is stressing about debt & working for minimum wage.
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The real trap of college is that once you graduate, you have to start paying off the debt IMMEDIATELY. And because it's almost impossible to get the "goal job" within the first few months due to competition, they are forced into monetary desperation.
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And as we all know, desperation yields unfavorable results.
mattii__mo 5y ago
I get that. If you're making good money then by all means, repair electronics..
That said, if you aren't above 200k/yr, it doesnt take a genius to say go get a degree. Theres really two options:
AKA just go to school. major in something USEFUL and NOT "what your heart wants". I can coast through my job, make great cash, and continue to sharpen my skills until I come up with my own idea. If gives you immense freedom and financial stability. I would never advise to skip out on school; after all, you're here to pick up chicks. What better place than school?!
PleezSitOnMyFace 5y ago
Good thing I love what I do for work
Rupturednutsack 5y ago
Sleep 6 hours, Wake up at 4, Travel 1hr 50, and then work 9hours. All in all I use 10.5hrs of my day out of the 24, but travel counts for the way back, so I lose out twice (around 53 mins on average).
There is nothing worse than knowing you have around 3 hours before you have to sleep before you can do this all over again. Definitely not enough time in the day for us to live like this.