Theory level: Advanced Beginner Note: This is theory that won’t make some guys happy and feel good. It’s not my intention, but some guys need to stop pedastalizing alphadom.
”What do you mean that loser is an alpha?!
Over here at TRP we teach men to be alpha and to improve their lives. Sometimes, this leads guys to not fully understanding what alpha is or why TRP is special. A lot of guys, especially those who came from a trad con background, have this idea of a “real man” stuck in their head. This “real man” is responsible, courageous, independent, etc. It can come as a shock to these guys to find out that alpha and those positive traits are not directly related.
So the basics. There are two, and only two sexual strategies:
Alpha — sexual strategy practiced by inciting physical desire.
Beta — sexual strategy practiced by providing security and resources.
So if a guy is fucking, and he is a fat slob you can be goddam sure he’s providing big time bucks. Likewise, if a guy is a loser who can’t hold down a job for two months you can be sure he’s only providing tingles.
That person is a loser. My SMV should be higher!
That guy is a drunk and wife beater. He’s no alpha.
He sells drugs and carries guns. Why is she fucking him?
Her ex borrowed thousands of dollars from her. Some “alpha” he is!
I’ve heard these things so many times around here. All that it shows me is that some guys are idealizing alphadom beyond what it is. These guys went from pedastalizing women to pedastalizing alpha strategy. By doing so they fail to realize how unspecial alpha (or beta) strategy actually is and under appreciate how special TRPs methods really are.
Most guys practicing alpha strategy in the wild are losers
And this is true big time. Pretty much every criminal, drug addict, dead beat, or financial loser who is fucking, is fucking because of alpha strategy. No disagreements considered. They have NOTHING to offer a woman in terms of security and often detract from her security, yet she still wiggles that ass up for them. If this seems strange to you, ask yourself why would a woman fuck a degenerate? Biffaults law demands that she thinks she is getting something. So what is she getting? It’s not money. Probably not protection. It’s only the loser’s dick at the end of his feelz.
Ever see a hot sorority girl running with a bunch of thugs? This woman has a career and a future. She may wind up making more in a year than the whole group makes together. Why the fuck do good girls secretly go for that thug dick? The answer is that they provide feelz. They are big, and DNGAF about anything and so they hack her alpha desire. They provide nothing to her.
What about drug addicts? These good girls spin themselves out worrying about the addict’s safety, they feel relieved when they are OK, they feel hopeful when the addict promises to change. They are getting feelz. Feelz do NOT need to be positive, and the guys here good at spinning them know that pissing a woman off is as good as any pillow talk.
There are tons of criminals who have bred more successfully than any engineer. They didn’t do that magically... they did it because alpha strategy does not strictly require personal success.
The TRP method is special
This is what makes TRP stand out. It provides a roadmap for stimulating a woman’s feelz in a self-productive way. It utilizes growth and improvement as a vehicle to hack a woman’s alpha desire. TRP is actually the hardest way to do this.
It is special, and is worthy of following because it shows a way to get sex while being better. The TRP method doesn’t split men into “bad boys” and “good guys.” The guys who discovered TRP after being self destructive bad boys understand this, but it can be hard for the guys who discovered TRP after finding out that having their shit together wasn’t enough.
Conclusion
If you find yourself or someone else trying to say that some loser isn’t alpha, then you need to self-correct. Being alpha can mean being the best of men, but it doesn’t have to.
If this loser is (1) fucking and (2) providing nothing (or even better, just mooching) then you can be sure he is using alpha strategy.
The bold quotes I wrote above are all from guys who don’t understand that “alpha” is just sexual strategy. There are no exceptions to RP theory. So when you run across a loser you look down upon who also fucks you can be goddam sure he’s using alpha. There is ONLY alpha and beta. If it’s not provisioning, it’s feelz.
In the end, you will be much better off if you understand this difference. You will understand why certain guys are succeeding in sexual strategy, and you will be better able to apply positive TRP methods.
farendsofcontrast 5y ago
A beta can in certain situations choose to do the alpha thing just as an alpha accidentally does something beta on an odd occasion. It's not black and white where a certain man is alpha and always alpha. These labels are getting out of hand. Alpha is a state of mind. We cultivate alpha traits if you didn't get them naturally like some guys do and we strive to embody the "alpha mentality". TheRedPill is nothing but identifying alpha traits and internalizing them.
FREECRACK6 5y ago
My father is an alpha, a complete financial loser though. Which made my mother leave him and marry a rich man who took care of me. Alpha fucks beta bucks in its most pure form
Blackphish88 5y ago
Again, being a woman must suck. To gladly fuck your future up, ruin your emotional value all for some asshole dick. It used to bother me, now I just smile seeing how they fell so far.
_370HSSV_ 5y ago
If you consiously doing "alpha" stuff, then you're not alpha.
Tjommas 5y ago
Until you do it subconsciously because it works and you internalize on a deep level that this is who you are now.
_370HSSV_ 5y ago
Exactly, untill you become one
curiouschipmunk1010 5y ago
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I want to note that many of the prescribed characteristic of "beta" including the accruement of resource doesn't necessitate the aforementioned unless it's used to placate women, then it is.
Appex1 5y ago
This post is actually a minor red pill in itself.
showerdudes9 5y ago
Some? Id really estimate like 80% of alphas being losers, counting in dark triad ones. Ive only met one alpha in my life who was not a loser. Like a real alpha who is not ruled by married pussy and had a great career and exhibited all alpha traits making women flock to him constantly. Also the only alpha who shook my frame and got me pissed/jealous (which i later laughed at because i know exactly why i got shook and jealous. Because he was so much better in every single aspect). People really overestimate their ”alphas” they meet at clubs who shows some loud extroversion while being drunk and/or high on coke.
ogkushinjapan 5y ago
With rampant developments of feminism and more guys given the opportunity to take the red pill, I’d say we will have less alpha losers in the future.
More guys are waking up to the college scam and doing trade degrees or moving to entrepreneurship. These guys may never stumble upon trp but these jobs have more trp values than the standard corporate or academia ones.
Woujo 5y ago
The key here is to understand what an "alpha" and a "beta" are.
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Alpha and beta are behaviors, which, like all behaviors, have a cyclical relationship with our emotional states. The more we feel like an alpha, the more we act as an alpha would, and the more we act as an alpha would, the more we feel as an alpha would, creating a feedback loop.
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Both the alpha and beta emotional states and behaviors are destructive if not controlled by our rational mind. Just as a beta will let people walk all over him, an alpha male with no rational guidance will blindly fight his enemies and the system until he is ruined.
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To further complicate matters, people can alternately feel (and act) alpha and beta in different parts of their lives. There are men who are incredible at business, or fighting, or even in the military, but become beta around women. Other men act extremely alpha around women, but act beta when it comes to their life goals.
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The goal of TRP is to cultivate the alpha emotion (because people are naturally beta), but to have it guided by your rational reasoning. I have seen many an "alpha" fail in life because of their own arrogance, impulsivity, and propensity for violence.
HornedBul 5y ago
I wouldn't say because people are naturally beta, but because today's society promotes beta behaviour to the extreme
Woujo 5y ago
From an evolutionary standpoint, the alpha male is rare. There is one alpha in the tribe, and everybody else is beta. The default mode for individuals is to be beta, because the moment we feel like there is somebody better at something than thus, we automatically and subconsciously take the beta position to them. To be alpha requires excellence and requires work to get there, whereas beta is the natural, default state.
reluctantly_red 5y ago
Some are because its their only option since being a good Beta requires a good job. However, a good looking guy with a good job can easily follow alpha strategy notwithstanding the fact he has enough money to play the Beta game.
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reluctantly_red 5y ago
Yeah this is very true. I didn't grow up in the hood -- I grew up 12 miles from the nearest paved road in northern Alberta. I'm almost always the only guy in the office with a serious blue collar background. It is hard to take paperwork seriously after almost being killed in several workplace mishaps and near misses.
ChesterRickman 5y ago
First he would have to know there's something to follow and how to do it. If you are honestly good looking and got the dough then you will get some chick sooner or later, probably have a kid or two and slave away at medicority for the rest of your life, then maybe get divorced maybe not. There's no incentive to get better in something you are not even aware exists. Consciously discovering the existance of social dynamics/hierarchy and TRP requires you to fuck up really, really badly in your mind for you to actually start wondering what's up with all this beyond just bitching about life.
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Bet most of them would turn into betas really quickly were they to get a job and decide to, from now on, focus on getting a woman and building a family. With how modern social programming is, you really have to be a total sociopath to be alpha without knowledge of TRP or grow up in a really fucked up environment.
vullnet123 5y ago
One of the most alpha men I knew was a 36 year old guy who I worked with at my old fast food job. He was a somewhat tall (5'11"-6'1", im not too sure) athletic black dude. Deadbeat, always going job for job for minimum wage, didn't drive, only smoked, partied, and worked out/playing basketball. He'd have 25 and under women hitting on him, giving him their numbers. I was too much of a beta at the time, but I wish I had asked him for advice then, couldve learned some good shit from him, but he quit before my ex dumped me, so I never had a chance. Dude could pull pussy like no one else. He cheated on his girl at the time(who worked 2 jobs so she could pay for his apartment) and he came an hour late that night with scratches all over his face. The next day she came to see him and all I saw was him comforting her , and then she left and he came up to me saying "man you gotta teach me how to not cheat" lmao.
AshyLarry27 5y ago
These labels are out of control. While I agree there are "loser" alphas, some of the described characters are out-right not alphas. For example drug addicts are not alpha, they are bony degenerates who clearly would not qualify under the definition of "physically" desirable that you laid out. What they can do is generate feelz and incite a lot of push/pull. This should not be mistaken for alphas, as I don't know too many people that would respect and rally around the leadership or a drug addict.
AWorseManThanYou 5y ago
Some, such as meth heads. But think of the dudes doing a bunch of coke partying their life away. Some heroin fiends I’ve known have had hotties who mother them. Molly users doing nothing but banging hot rave chicks. Etc.
How do you explain how they fuck then?
AshyLarry27 5y ago
Like I did in my response. You don't have to be Alpha to generate tingles. If you are good at manipulating emotions and can really do a number with Push/Pull concepts, you can get girls.
Maybe my definition of an alpha and your definition differ. I see an alpha as a strong ripped man who has control of his frame and life. He doesn't care about what others are thinking, has a classic DNGAF attitude, and generally does things his own way.
I see people like drug addicts as those who are good with DNGAF and thats it, but that doesn't make him alpha. She's attracted to his DNGAF attitude and overall taboo of a life he lives that's a fuck you to the beta male dream life, these are the drivers of those tingles.
I think it's too broad to just paint people as alpha or beta, and I think those terms begin to loose their meaning in the community as we just label everything as black and white.
AWorseManThanYou 5y ago
Yeah, that’s what my post was about. What you see as alpha is actually the TRP method. It is a harder but superior method.
Guys don’t realize that self improvement is a different thing than alpha. What you are doing is conflating the two. Sorry.
An alpha can be a loser or an alpha can be a superior man.
When guys on the TRP path have improved past loser alphas they get frustrated and don’t understand why their loser friends keep getting more girls. Then they say the stupid things I wrote in bold. The alcoholic is using alpha strategy better. Your self improvement is not alpha strategy itself.
Improving is helpful to being alpha but alpha strategy is a separate thing than self improvement.
AshyLarry27 5y ago
I think I follow. You place a larger emphasis on 'take action' qualities like DNGAF as something that is apart of the 'loser' alpha's repertoire, and that because it still comes from the frame of someone who is trying to get laid without playing beta games, he is still alpha. It differs from a more functional alpha like a drill sergeant or cold CEO, someone with functional skill sets such as leadership, drive, and confidence. In the end it doesn't matter because an alpha strategy is still about the take action and the "go after it" without of course GAF. Your definitions in your post make this hard to initially acknowledge though.
AWorseManThanYou 5y ago
Exactly! I like your alternate explanation. I’d say that “alpha qualities” that help you get laid translate to other areas (leadership for a CEO for example) but the entire set of alpha behaviors includes negative qualities like self-destructive DGAF.
When guys have all these positive qualities they are assuming all they have to do is collect enough “alpha tokens” and their SMV will do the work. But these losers are also exhibiting alpha qualities that are negative qualities and the guys with positive qualities don’t understand it.
Being alpha has a light side, and a dark side. If you can’t recognize that you will have a hard time understanding and competing against the loser alphas.
TRP teaches the positive qualities, but occasionally we should acknowledge that the set of TRP approved qualities is not the entire set of alpha qualities.
AshyLarry27 5y ago
I wondered why I resonated with this write up so much. At the end, a big portion of this goes back to seeing all these guys on AskTRP with the same BS questions.
"I lifted this much today, I ate a steak, and I totally passed this one chick's shit test by waiting like 5 minutes before texting her back. Why isn't she sucking my dick?"
There seems to be this hilarious idea that if you "raise" your SMV, women just come to you.
Nope. You still have to do the heavy lifting, you have to be the one who not only raises your SMV, but actually goes up to and talks to them. In taking action, you demonstrate the more alpha-based strategy. Of course the rest comes from experience and navigating the basics. Thanks for the write up!
CainPrice 5y ago
Exactly.
Alpha and beta are behaviors. They are things that you do, not something that you are. We will sometimes call a guy an "alpha" or a "beta", but that's just a nickname for a guy who does a lot of alpha or beta behaviors, respectively.
Something you do that causes most women to feel sexual arousal is an alpha behavior. Whether that's looking hot, acting like a confident asshole, being sexually assertive, or whatever.
Something that you do that causes most women to feel comfort is a beta behavior. Beta behaviors often work against alpha behaviors, but they're not themselves deal breakers.
The standard PUA strategy is to build attraction (do alpha behaviors), and then (and only then), build comfort (do beta behaviors). If you start being all friendly and complementary when she's not attracted yet, you're creepy. But taking her over to that comfy couch so the two of you can get to know each other better before going home and sharing a little sensitivity is usually pretty essential. Just acting alpha then trying to drag her out the door without any comfort building is also creepy.
So anyway, like OP said, think about alpha and beta as behaviors. Tools. Not character traits or something you aspire to become.
j_arbuckle2012 5y ago
Best response ITT.
Alpha and beta were abstractions created by zoologists to describe, as you said, behaviors relating to the dominance hierarchy in animals. They are not hard and fast rules with respect to human sexual dynamics considering sapience, rationality, and cultural context.
warlordchad 5y ago
Great post... what guys should remember too is that the drug addict/loser who gets chicks was probably a Chad in high school or even earlier and is so used to living in abundance that he learns that DGAF attitude and naturally develops the push/pull dynamic that is so crucial to game.
Additionally, a dumb, good looking guy never has the problem of logic getting in the way of his game because he’s an idiot.
Ultimately, however, that kind of game/success has a shelf life. Guys who are losers over 30 are going to have a hard time with women no matter how alpha they are.
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While us smart, good looking guys have stepped on our dicks right in front of chicks who desperately want us to win.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
Yep. What is alpha and what women want changes as they get older. I have plenty of former fraternity brother friends who absolutely slayed in college but now are fat with a shit job. They still have the confidence of an alpha but can’t get a chick to save their lives
warlordchad 5y ago
Yeah and I’d add that as a guy who’s almost 40 and likes girls under 26, what they expect from me is different too. It’s like what Strauss said in The Game: in your 20’s you just have to be doing something cool—once you’re 30, you should have accomplished something.
Maith_fear 5y ago
Using 'alpha' as just another substitute for 'admirable man' is fundamentally bluepill thinking.
The point of the redpill is that 'admirable man' does not get rewarded in the sexual market place the way he seems to deserve. Beta is not just your average socially retarded teenage virgin, beta can be a man with a solid career, a good father, a veteran soldier.
Beta is the provider, the safe option, the one to settle down with.
Alpha is the exciting, dangerous man, the one who you can never tie down.
An alpha gets pussy, all the other traits associated with alphas are attempts to describe what it is about them that makes them successful with women but fundamentally he can be broke, he can be short, he can be a degenerate, but an alpha gets pussy.
The problem with this sub is that people don't really want to be alpha, they want beta without the downsides. And so unconsciously or consciously they twist the concept of alpha in order to sanitise it and in doing so remove the bitter truths that make the redpill worth anything at all.
Comments like "a true alpha stays true to his word" should nearly be removed for moralizing but it's a grey area because it's not impossible that certain alpha traits could have overlap with mainstream masculine and moral ideals.
ogkushinjapan 5y ago
“The problem with this sub is that people don't really want to be alpha, they want beta without the downsides.“
This is because men operate through logic which prefers the reward system. Hence it is why so hard to wrap around the concept that pussy is not “earned” by the “alphas”but rather through emotional responses. Only being good looking is still an emotional trigger.
Women operate through emotions not logic.
massivewang 5y ago
I think it's a fundamental misunderstanding about life. Like getting pussy is just one part, being Chad isn't the end all be all. At the end of the day you still have to live life. We talk about it all the time, the CEO/genius/etc who's a dweeb with women, while there's some junkie banging a hottie in his 1 bedroom shit hole somewhere. While it's easy to be envious of the junkie's ability to bang, I certainly don't want nor envy anything else about his life style.
Once you are able to have success with women, you figure out quite quickly that sex isn't that big of a deal. Yes it feels great, yes it is validating to go out and pick up a hottie. But it's just one peice of the puzzle, there's still the other 95% of life that needs to be worked through.
So keep that in mind. How do you want to live your life, what is important to you besides women/sex/etc? There's no moral judgement here or straight answer. Perhaps the "loser" Chad is happy, and if he is more power to him. But I don't think most of you would be happy with that life style, I certainly wouldn't.
Blackphish88 5y ago
True. I have no desire to be 'alpha'. And after being red pilled I've killed off my provider instincts so I'm not even hoping for risk free beta. I'm just done for now.
vengefully_yours 5y ago
Well fuck. You guys still don't get it. You think you need to be tall, good looking, and wealthy to be an alpha male? You think it has anything to do with finances? It has to do with something far more basic and animal. That you guys didn't get it makes sense, because you aren't that man.
Ever heard it's not the size off the dog in the fight, but the fight in the dog? That has more to do with it than money in the bank or how tall you are. Those have an impact on how easy it is to get laid, but nothing to do with being an alpha male. We are apes, the biggest ape usually wins, but it's also the biggest ape who not only has the experience and capability, but the will to do damage and make sure he wins ask the future fights by making an example of the challenger.
It's something in your head that doesn't use measured responses, it's the part of men that bring it and make damn sure they end it. They have the will to fight and if needed to kill or maim. These men intimidate you by simply being around, it's written in their non verbal communication, an overt "Do not fuck with me" and it's not bluster. It's not being loud and obnoxious, it's not having to prove anything, because they know what they can do. They have done it.
men follow competence, capability, and confidence. Women are attracted to that. An alpha male displays those in his every movement and how he stands, speaks, or walks. You can imitate it, and make yourself look like one, but unless it's in your head you can't be one.
In the military world there are three types. The first runs away from danger. The second freezes and cowers in fear. The third runs toward the sound of danger and engages so as to kill it. Knowing when to wait for the right moment to attack comes from experience, but the mindset is there from the beginning.
Polite society, of which you're a part, calls him toxic, a psycho, unbalanced, dangerous, violent, but in reality he chooses when to be those things and towards what our whom they should be directed. You are probably not like that, if you were you'd be able to get laid without trying to act like one of these men. He is not a tyrant, but he can fill those shoes if needed and lop off heads.
You can be 6'5, 300 lbs of muscle, and still not have the mindset required, you're a big beta and nothing more. Chick well fuck toyou and throw panties at him, but he's not an alpha. A 5'8 guy with the mindset and capability that comes from walking the walk for years can beat the ever living shit out of the tall guy who doesn't have the stomach for the fight. It's who you are, not what you look or act like, but it's displayed in what you look like. If you haven't seen it, you have no idea what I'm taking about.
I can't explain it to you any more than I can tell you what combat is like, you have to experience it to know. You can't comprehend a crazy fast car until you have been in our driven one, I mean zero to 60 in less than two seconds. A 1 second 0 - 60 still scare the shit out of you. There are cars that are going 0 - 100+ in one second. You can't imagine it.
Face it, most of you have no fucking clue what an alpha is. Girls are easily fooled, because certain types of men display similar non verbal language. The man who is more interested in finding his next hit of meth, she confuses him with an alpha. The "bad boy" who walks like he is tough, she can't tell the difference. Men, well we have seen these try hards and losers fail, we can spot them because we see the missing pieces of the puzzle.
That ape or lizard brain under the consciousness sees other men and makes a judgement call, and we are usually right. You evolved to see it, because your ancestors survived, either by running away or winning. Your ancestors could tell who was the dangerous ones, and sometimes they themselves were the dangerous one. Still, we need betas, we can't have everyone be an alpha male, civilizations can't handle that. Too many chiefs, not enough Indians.
Not every male can go fight and win, and need to stay home or help in other ways. With the marriage system we had those men got laid, because they'll be dangerous in large groups of horny men.
Emulate those men and do something with your life that is beneficial to you and society, you're one of the 80%, that is your job. However in the current climate of society, you'll have a damn hard time getting laid if you don't make yourself something beyond the average. You'll never be an alpha, but you can get by with less bullshit in your life. So you have that going for you, which is nice
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This is the only thing I don't agree with. Engineering Explained, a nerdy car Youtube channel, has a great piece on why sub 2 seconds isn't going to happen.
INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
Agree with all this. However, the 'do something with your life that is beneficial to you and society, you're one of the 80%.' So, if you're doing something beneficial for you, you're in the 80%? Isn't the guy running towards to danger, in order to kill it, doing something beneficial?
I'm not quite sure on this one point.
archaic-guy 5y ago
Can confirm , when i was young i was always in the top percentile of my class and girls lusted for me so I thought that was due becuase girls apreciate succesful guys.
I have never been so wrong
The reason why girls liked me was that despite having all the idealism of a white knight waiting for the girl who deserved him is that I was tough and I didnt give a fuck about them.
Then I went to College and all those years of social programing made me more inclusive and caring , the result was that I couldn´t get laid for my first two years despite even being more succesful than before while some ugly assholes without future who only where there becuase their parents didnt like to have them at home could and I was like WTF.
My solution to that was to iniciate some personal projects to keep my mind busy and suddenly i got laid into a LTR for six months so not caring worked , the LTR didnt worked becuase despite being the best sex i ever had the girl was very jealous and controlling so I went to his place to drop her and then I understood the meaning of Drama queen.
Finally I found the Red Pill and even if I don´t agree with everithing the dogma says I got some kind of knowledge over the inner thinking of a woman in an experience that I find depresing but liberating.
QuirkyDoctor 5y ago
100% spoke to me. You're so right on this. Docs, Engineers, Lawyers, basically the beta bux guys will have their shit together (makes sense, as these occupations pretty much require you to).
Such a simple, yet great concept! I love that these concepts aren't so textbook.
I can still become a Doc and still be alpha, the "better" man you speak of. Guess RP men like us may end up being both the alpha fux and beta bux for our certain partner (for those of us who want to get married, though that's another topic entirely).
Esk1mOz4mb1k 5y ago
Quoting a post below :
If you want a familly, Alpha bux is the way to go. Lots of alpha traits (for tingles and not getting shitted on) and a fair share of beta traits (money, status and reliability). Good vetting is a must though.
lettucebogs 5y ago
Would you rather fuck 20 something good church girl who is boring, wont suck your dick or party girl that is wild in bed and gives you so much good feels
ChesterRickman 5y ago
Party girls are hot for a couple hours, but then the alcohol and everything else wear off, you see them in broad daylight together with all their fucked up personalities and you just want to run.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
I'd rather fuck whichever one is hotter. I'll train the church girl.
Blackphish88 5y ago
Someone will suck my dick. I choose church girl.
cryptonaut414 5y ago
Depends if you want a hoe or a housewife
psychonautalot 5y ago
Like the great man Too $hort says, you can't turn a hoe into a housewife. Edit: Can't not can.
ThrowFader 5y ago
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yammyha 5y ago
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mikkeldaman 5y ago
Back in the days when I joined the PUA community (about 12 years ago) actually the world was split into three categories of men: the alphas, the betas and the jerks. The betas were pretty much the same thing as they are today but the jerks were pretty much what you call the alpha losers or the Chads. The betas put women on a pedestal, the jerks put women on an emotional roller-coaster ride and the alphas balance the two.
Based on the scientific definition of the alpha male (it's not my opinion, the etnographers came up with the definition) you can't be alpha and a loser at the same time. They are mutually exclusive. An alpha is the leader of the pack. The alpha provides security for the very reason that he doesn't take shit from anyone and has his and his group's best interests at heart. That's why people follow him. He is likable and charismatic, but he doesn't care if he offends you or steps on other people to reach his and his groups goals. Think of the lion - who despite being presented lately as the deadbeat who waits for the harem to bring food on the table - which is the king of the territory. Lionesses associate with him because he provides them protection against strangers. No one can steal their food or kill their cubs or invade their territory while a bold powerful male lion is around. Think of a charismatic religious leader, he will provide comfort to his followers and offer them a sense of community. Think of the CEO who fights for his company to be the best in the industry and crush competition.
Now those are examples of alpha males.
Through this comment I am not saying that being a jerk/Chad/alpha loser/whatever is bad. It definitely guarantees you more pussy than being a beta. Also being a beta in relation to women is not inherently bad in itself. Not sure how many of you have been so in love with a girl that you could idealize her despite her flaws. Lately I have been quite cynical but that was one of my favorite experiences in this life and I quite miss it. Just don't become a doormat.
Papiless 5y ago
To some extent this is true, but it is all contextual. The "Pack" that you are talking about are religious cults and companies - in those cases it is very clear who is the alpha. In a nightclub scene its completely different. One guy can be the total alpha of a crew he does not know or usually associate himself with because of his personal characteristics. It can very well be the coke head who does not give a single fuck about anything and is completely fearless. He might very well be more alpha than the CEO of a company at a club and inspire people to follow him more than the actual CEO. The CEO, generally, has more to lose.
Personally I find it harder to be alpha the more successful I become - since i do not whish to lose what I have worked for. Same thing happens with companies etc thats why the start playing it safe and cater to the media/becoming liberal/metoo-stuff.
mikkeldaman 5y ago
Well I gave some big picture examples. You don't have to be the alpha of a pack the size of the British Empire or even the size of a community church, nor does your pack need to be static. You can be the alpha of the group you're in at that moment (and could contain even only one person, say, the girl you're trying to fuck). I like the word you used, "contextual". You can be the alpha of your group of friends if you take them to your local bar, where you know the other locals and staff. A tour guide is the alpha of the tourist group because they know the touristic attraction better than the tourists.
But I'm saying that in order to be an authentic alpha, you need to be able to provide something... be it security, fun, networking opportunities, hell even just a friendly ear... just not to lay those things at people's feet. You have to make them work for the goods you're able to provide. Otherwise if people didn't want anything from you, they would just ignore you.
And yeah the type of people that OP describes can offer for a while something to girls they bang. They can offer them the thrill of associating with someone dangerous, someone that can help them escape the norms imposed by society. Also those guys can appear quite confident and bold at first, therefore inducing the illusion they are alphas. But as soon as the illusion and the thrill is gone, so are the girls.
As a side note, I'm not sure I really buy into the reasoning behind liberal companies as justified over here. I think that companies act liberal because they are trying to identify with their customer base (which is more often than not liberal urban youth). And since statistically women are anyways bigger spenders than men, of course companies will put their female customers first. That this female empowerment can backfire sometimes... well those are the risks I guess... but I don't think that companies tread lightly around this topics out of fear of the risks.
GrandYam_HomeRun 5y ago
While not wrong, your answer to why women are attracted to thugs/criminals/deadbeats (feelz) is incomplete. It's built into a woman's dna to take the long view, the long view being our affluent hyper-technical society is a short term mirage soon to collapse. The alpha losers of today will thrive post-collapse. The vices these men possess today will be virtues in the new world
Esk1mOz4mb1k 5y ago
You're giving women too much credit here, they are not thinking about the possible collapse of our society. It's much deeper, instinct based.
GrandYam_HomeRun 5y ago
I should have clarified that like most things, women are completely unaware of why they're acting this way. They're as much a mystery to themselves as they are to men.
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ShavedApel 5y ago
No when you said built into a woman's dna that was perfectly clear. He's just retarded.
Esk1mOz4mb1k 5y ago
Reading comprehension isn't your cup of tea.
Women are into alpha traits because of their DNA, not because they can see a potential collapse of society.
n8dawwg 5y ago
You dont have to be spinning plates to be an alpha. Being an alpha male is so much more than that.
AWorseManThanYou 5y ago
Wrong. Will Smith is a beta. Leo DiCaprio is an alpha.
At the end of the day it’s who will fuck you and how they fuck you.
Read the sidebar again from top to bottom. Your are harboring BP beliefs and trying to sanitize them and paint them red.
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peeng_newt 5y ago
Your alpha and beta definitions... What the fuck?
Imperator_Red 5y ago
What's the problem? That's like the #1 most basic TRP principle and is straight out of the sidebar. Alpha strategy is appealing to a woman's desire for good genes. Beta strategy is appealing to her desire for provisioning.
peeng_newt 5y ago
My problem is what is the provisioning of if alphas desire for good Gene provision to the woman includes using all the available resources that the betas are allegedly provisioning?
Alphas do all of what is described, good genes but ones that die in the womb because there's not enough bread? That's dicked up and not the way these things work
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Couldn't make it through your first sentence. Work on your writing.
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yairof 5y ago
Bro your definition of alpha is totally off. ????♂️????♂️ How is it that people like this are able to post but I can't.
Alpha has absolutely nothing to do with sex in my opinion.
Alpha is by its very nature defined by individuals (man or woman) WHO FIND VALIDATION FROM WITHIN.
PLEASE EVERYONE GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEADS.
Men here are fukin obsessed with sex jesus. Only Beta males care about sex. A true alpha gets sex naturally. It comes when it comes. And it usually comes frequently because such a skill as this attracts it naturally.
DiSysmic 5y ago
Your definition actually stands, just not in this post. OP's definition is contextually the correct one because it's aligned to intersexual dynamics. Your comment was deemed unnecessary because you're not even arguing about the same subject.
yairof 5y ago
I see. You have a good point. I guess I just don't see the value in these types of posts. Too much importance and repetitiveness in the need for sex.
I just see this as toxic content. Maybe being quarantined has made the quality of posts decline heavily.
Wish I could post about my concept of the "Light Triad". To attract women that will bring in real value to your life. Beyond the monetary and sexual value.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Thanks for your opinion. It's totally wrong.
Alpha, as defined by TRP, is exactly what OP describes. It is a man who women desire for his genetics rather than his provisioning.
yairof 5y ago
One ideology is not going to give you the answer to everything. Thats where TRP fails. The dark triad works. But such a method attracts the wrong types of women. And then you wonder why everyone here hates women.
I'm developing the "light triad" that has managed to be a huge boon for me. Attracting ride or die females. Bettering the minds of men to rise above their animalistic desires. Look beyond sex. True alphas don't give a fuck about sex. Which naturally leads men to not put women on a pedestal.
TRP gives you the tools to identify bad investments in women to cut losses early and keep good investments in your portfolio.
Everything else is pointless static noise on this subreddit. The repetition of sexual strategies and all this useless information is killing this subreddit. Y'all left one matrix for another that is just as bad.
RIP TRP
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Strawman. Stopped reading.
I'm curious as to why you keep posting on TRP. Every time you make a main post, the mods remove it, and every time you comment, it gets downvoted to oblivion. Popularity isn't the be all end all, but if everything you say gets shit on by both the "commoners" and "aristocracy" of the sub, maybe it's time to either change your opinions or move on.
I don't post on Two X Chromosomes or politics because neither I nor they will gain anything from interacting. Neither you nor us is really gaining anything from continued interaction here.
yairof 5y ago
I've had a comment that reached 100 upvotes here. I get downvoted cuz I'm saying something that goes against your programming. Jesus you people are just as bad as the feminist. ????♂️
Red pill NPC's never thought I'd see the day this would become a thing.
AWorseManThanYou 5y ago
You couldn’t be more wrong.
Keep your opinions to yourself. There’s a reason you can’t post, clearly.
Nope. It comes when I want because I go out and attract women.
Note: any guy who uses the term “true alpha” is confusing sexual strategy with being a “good man.”
This comment is the exact type of comment this post is aimed at. He wants you to be a “good man” and promises sex will fall into your lap. That’s not how it works. Be careful of the peanut gallery.
yairof 5y ago
Lol save my opinion for myself? ???????? Dude this is reddit we are here to discuss ideas.
I agree with you that some "alpha" men are losers. But your concept of alpha is Wrong in my opinion.
I know men who are fat and get plenty of women with little investment. Sexual strategy is being witty and comfortable with yourself. Too many men here do not get that.
Anyone who brags about getting women is beta. Trying to find Validation from others for such a feat is beta in nature.
Nothing is sexier to a woman than confidence in self. Any other strategies that doesn't apply this will give you nothing but problematic women in your life.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
God you're so annoying. This is no one's definition besides you. Go read the sidebar before you make any more posts.
yairof 5y ago
I'm good. I've learned what I needed from this subreddit. Everyone here is drinking the "red pill" kool-aid.
There's a good reason why most men here realize how depressing the red pill philosophy is when you follow it religiously. And just like religious fanatics anything that goes against their views is wrong and invalid. There is more than one way of being. I got feminist calling me misogynistic and then "red pill" men here calling me a beta male feminist shill. How can I be both?
Like you people honestly are going to live your life just fukin woman after woman until you die? And expect anything healthy to come out of this? Y'all will die of STDs before you reach old age.
As much as you hate women for being women it speaks more about your insecurities. Its like being mad at the wind for blowing too hard. Is the wind the problem or you? The main motto here is self improvement. If the wind is bothering you, it means your frame is weak.
A truly worthy woman in your life will elevate you to levels you wouldn't even be able to imagine. I've known many men (self-made multimillionaires) who credit their women for their success. Women are in this world to improve men. Those men who are unworthy with weak frame will only suffer from women. Because they only see the sexual gain from them.
Once you rise above the need of sex you truly begin to live a healthy lifestyle. And women will naturally and willingly give you all the sex you want.
Validation from within is the catalyst to all of the world's pleasures. Stop drinking the kool-aid and rise above this garbage content.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Wtf is this mindless drivel? I said go read the sidebar before you make any more posts.
yairof 5y ago
My main goal is to elevate the minds of men so they do not fall prey to the evils of women.
These are the main things I've found useful in this subreddit:
Everything else is useless noise. For me atleast. But hey everyone is entitled to their own opinion.