It’s that time of year in the UK when the government requires publication of gender pay gap reports under the 2010 Equality Act. There are guidelines in the act for calculating pay figures in a standardised way, so that all reports are consistent and comparable.
One such report from a local organisation in my county contains some interesting figures:
- The mean gender pay gap is -8.38%.
- The median gender pay gap is -29.15%
Gender proportions for the four pay quartiles are:
- A: 56% / 44% (Includes all employees whose standard hourly rate places them at or below the lower quartile)
- B: 56% / 44% (ncludes all employees whose standard hourly rate places them above the lower quartile but at or below the median)
- C: 21% / 79% (Includes all employees whose standard hourly rate places them above the median but at or below the upper quartile)
- D: 29% / 71% (Includes all employees whose standard hourly rate places them above the upper quartile)
What this means is there is a sizeable gender pay gap, explained largely by the gender proportion skews at the higher earning bands. Or in other words, the patriarchy is real, the men are keeping all the top jobs for themselves at a ratio of almost 80/20 (hey where have I heard that before?) and I can practically hear the screeching from the blue-haired, feminist banshees now. Something must be done about this!
Except not, because the organisation in question is called ShropDoc, which provides out-of-hours emergency medical care, and the twist is that men earn 8% mean and 29% median less than women, and are outnumbered by women in the top-earning jobs by a ratio of almost 4/1.
The report concludes:
Shropdoc is therefore confident that its gender pay gap does not stem from paying men and women differently for the same or equivalent work. Rather its gender pay gap is the result of the roles in which men and women work within the organisation and the salaries that these roles attract.
No shit.
I am stating the obvious here but that is almost always the reason for any gender pay gap (it’s actually an earnings gap, stemming from the differing career choices men and women make), the difference in this case is that nobody cares because it’s the men that are losing out.
Always have this in mind when strong independent wahmyn are whining about the injustice of it all. Nod, agree, then forget all about it and go about your business of earning more than them because you know the truth.
Link to the short report if you’re interested:
https://shropdoc.org.uk/cd-content/uploads/files/Gender%20Pay%20Gap%20Report%202018.pdf
Mods: wasn’t sure which was the most appropriate flair for this so please re-flair as you see fit.
Bazino 5y ago
GPG doesn't exist if you look at all factors, but especially performance.
If you look at self-employed earnings, women make 50% of men and that says it all. If own your own business, then you are the only one deciding your salary with your performance and women make 50% than men on average, looking only at business owners.
Overall in the employed category women make 75% of men. So you could argue that women who get employed are likely overpaid, since there's no real logic explaining women performing 25% better when working for someone else compared to working for themselves.
Probably a unpopular opinion, but from what I have seen in my working life most women just don't care about work performance. But then again that's just my anecdotal evidence.
InformalCriticism 5y ago
I've seen women openly disparage other parts of our organization to justify her lack of effort. She is in charge of me. Women will justify any form of behavior, including poor job performance.
wanderer779 5y ago
A little common sense goes a long way. "Save 30% on labor costs with this one weird trick" isn't a thing, business is cut throat and if there's a way to cut costs they will do so, or they'll be gone. Jeff Bezos has a saying, something like, 'the other guy's margin is our opportunity'. And amazon has run like a 1% net margin historically. If women were really cheaper you'd better believe amazon warehouses would be staffed entirely with women.
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There's no secret market where you can buy cotton/copper/pork bellies 27% cheaper. Same thing for labor.
GuitarHero07 5y ago
I hate that “gender pay gap” has become the widely accepted term to describe this issue. It implies that women are paid less than men for the same work, which isn’t true.
The more accurate term should be “earnings gap.” Men collectively earn more income than women because they tend to work more hours, work in more lucrative and higher risk fields and also take less time off from work.
The-Peter-Principle 5y ago
Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
How to create a narrative 101.
FrgElder 5y ago
You see similar gaps (50%) when you move into job sectors that compensate based on different performance criteria (usually sales, revenue generation, etc.). Typically in finance and trading. There is a gigantic performance gap between men and women in these competitive environments, and the reason is most likely biological. The most aggressive and competent people will always win out in these very rare and competitive fields (which will always be men).
I'm not a huge Jordan Peterson fan, but it's exactly like he explains; If you were to select a random woman and a random man from the population to gauge 'aggression', if you guessed that the male was more aggressive you would be right 60% of the time. But that's the average, which takes into account all males in the population pool. If you were to select for the most aggressive person in that population pool, the subject would always be male. At the right end of the bell curve for aggression, the space is exclusively dominated by hyper-aggressive males. These are the people who run everything; the politicians, CEOs, business owners, land tycoons, and successful salesmen and traders, etc. Women are at a biological disadvantage in these job sectors and the performance indicators show it conclusively.
You also see skewed stats like this for intelligence, which is the number one predictor of success. Generally speaking, men and women on average are of the same levels of intelligence. Where you get the divergence is that the men's bell curve is shorter and spreads longer. There are far more high IQ and low IQ men than there are women in the same position. And as the same with selecting for aggression, when you select for intelligence, it's always the people in the top 0.01-1.0% that are making all the decisions/money.
nexther 5y ago
I can back up your facts here, I’ve seen them before many times
FederalAnxiety 5y ago
I think there's a strong case that women should be paid less for the same work, because they're worth less. They take more holidays, call in sick far more often, don't work as well under pressure, have an inherent risk of discrimination/sexual assault cases, are less accountable, drop out of the workforce around 30 or at least drop to part time. When you're a business owner who needs valuable, dependable employees, women just aren't as good as men.
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FederalAnxiety 5y ago
Depends on the job. You probably don't want an aggressive bookkeeper or receptionist.
zyqkvx 5y ago
The biggest problem is most men take women's protests seriously in the first place. If you cut all the shit out, and base on results, women get paid 10X-1000X+ more than men for the same work. Example, I ate Chinese yesterday. In the back there were 3 guys working their asses off. In front, there were two women. They were both doing nothing when I walked in. I ordered. it took about 30 seconds. Then they both did nothing the entire time the food was being prepared till I was finished eating. Example 2. I was in Ace Hardware getting a counter-sink. Two 20 year old girls at the counter didn't know what it was. I broke away quickly to go find it for myself. Brought it up to the counter. They looked confused when I asked about it the first time. I started saying, "If you were wondering what a countersink is.." Checked their eyes. Yep, they had no desire to even know what it was and looked at each other like two geisha, even giggled.
They don't want equal pay for equal work. They want equal pay for equal job description, and they demand to have the same job descriptions as men who actually do things.
If you account for things that women can not do, like design, build a nuclear facility and keep it running safely, the pay gap jumps into obscurity. Who even needs to be fancy talking about nuclear reactors. The best of them might be able to design and build a house now, but only after todays techonolgy made by men has made it so easy for them to walk in mens shoes. Imagine if women had to design, and build a house, plus every skilled and unskilled labor task involved, from framing to pouring concrete.. what a shit show watching that project unfold would be.
Anyone who thinks men are anything less than 20X more important in sociital workforce than woman are mentally removed from reality. Sadly, and ironically, that includes about 70% of men nowadays.
BurnoutRS 5y ago
Johnny has 3 apples. Sally has 2 apples. Sally is a feminist. Sally is pissed.
Blackhawk2479 5y ago
Sally doesn’t even like apples, she just can’t stand the injustice of it all.
IAMB4TMAN 5y ago
I think simple economics solves this. If you could really extract the same performance from a Male & a Female CEO candidate, but the latter you could pay whatever % less, say 25%, then you'd see a LOT of boards hire Female CEOs to run their companies.
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America is the one country that has an economic system & corporate law infrastructure for this arbitrage to take place, but it doesn't, why? Because there is no arbitrage; there is a difference in Male/Female performance in terms of C-suite positions.
Blackhawk2479 5y ago
Capitalism and the free market solves a lot of issues, why do you think the left hate it so much?
There is no better way to determine the value of something/someone than the free market, be that a business or sexual market.
FederalAnxiety 5y ago
I'll quote the best description I've heard: "Imagine you have two neighbors, one male, one female. The male earns $100,000, the female $50,000. Is this enough information understand why their earnings differ? Clearly not. You don't know what they do, experience, hours worked etc. The gender pay gap is the exact same thing, but on a national scale. When you account for all those things, the gap disappears."
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To sum it up in one sentence: correlation does not imply causation. A well known logical fallacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation).
MatrixofLe3adership 5y ago
Excuse me, did you just disregard my feelings?
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TheDevilsAdvokaat 5y ago
Reals before feels ... :-P
Fulp_Piction 5y ago
The truth is only the truth when it matches the gynocentric frame of reality. Put the shoe on the other foot and we're all rich, insecure dickslingers who've decided at the rich guy AGM to keep women down.
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FrodoSwagins1 5y ago
Something I can contribute to. I'm currently taking a college course about human relations in administration. Studies have shown that women are not good negotiators or just aren't negotiating. "... One study looked at students from Carnegie Mellon who were getting their first job after earning a masters degree. The study found that only 7% of women negotiated their offer, while men negotiated 57% of the time. The result had profound consequences over the course of a person's career. (CNN, 2003)" I can provide a link to my source if requested.
redpillcad 5y ago
So why dont women start businesses and pay above market rates for women employees
Game over
MrNiceGuy3082 5y ago
You say “Game Over” but be careful. A lot of the large public bids I see will take the lowest bidder, but they have clauses where minority and women owned contractors get a free “leg up.” (I forget what it’s called). Where they can quote $2.5M and a standard contractor can quote $2.1M and they will still be awarded the job even with the higher bid. So not only do we (as tax payers) pay more, we get a less competent contractor.
TheDevilsAdvokaat 5y ago
Women who have started women only businesses have later stated they regretted it - and that it impacted the performance of their business.
eclectro 5y ago
But yet countless mainstream news sources quote the myth gap as a matter of accepted fact the same as gravity. And they wonder why people call them fake and turn them off.
TheImpossible1 5y ago
Mainstream news = Feminist sympathisers.
Auvergnat 5y ago
Here's an example of the UK-required reports, for Ryan Air in 2018:
https://gender-pay-gap.service.gov.uk/Employer/rrAcOspy/2018
Notoriously a "bad performer" with a "wage gap" of 62% (gasp!). Let's check at those gender proportions per pay quarters: Proportion of men in the upper middle quarter: 81%. In the top quarter: 99.6%!
A 10-years old would understand what's going on here: The reason Ryan Air has such a large “wage gap” is because very well paid jobs in Ryan Air are mostly all men and that is so because most airline pilots are men. So until Ryan Air can employ more female pilots, it will get bad press on its "wage gap". As an exec at Ryan Air, what's your solutions?
I am just in awe at feminists' capability to
lobbyshame the governments into passing laws as stupid and biased as these reports to advance their ideology against all safety, logic, fairness, business acumen, and ironically, jobs for women. Or maybe I ought to be in awe at how nobody seems to see this (or does see this, but would rather safely shut up and let someone else say something).chacalate-smoovie 5y ago
I mean this is damned scary in the airline industry (see also employing more blacks to make racial quotas) because a passenger doesn't get to choose which pilot flies their plane.
It's happening across all industries, though; look at tennis, women playing tennis cannot draw a crowd yet their short games are getting paid equally to the men. Women argue they have to work just as hard as the men but I call "bullshit". You take the man-hours put into men's tennis and it will be vastly greater than the woman-hours put into women's tennis. The vast majority of those man-hours are not rewarded. Yet the few woman-hours put into training is handsomely rewarded.
The fundamental issue is one of corporate governance. CEOs are dumb retarded fucks that inherited their wealth. They honestly don't have a clue what a hard day's work is. So they just virtue signal to all their leftie friends while ignoring the abuse they foster on the workforce.
Seriously, when was the last time you saw a member of a large company executive that actually worked on the shop floor?
huggyblossom 5y ago
When you remember that UK single mother numbers rise up every year there is nothing to be surprised for.
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28% of the mothers are single (Denmark and USA are the other top 3 countries).
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While a women can milk a man and the government for money this pay gap will go higher and higher every year.
DeadliftRx 5y ago
What would happen if we just started saying things like
Women could have 99% of the currency on the planet and all that would do is make it fucking worthless.
Bottled_Void 5y ago
The 'gender pay gap' has now changed meaning to refer to an average hourly salary of women vs men. Probably because they realised the 'for the same work' part was proven to be false.
There is a breakdown per sector here.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/bulletins/genderpaygapintheuk/2018
If you limit it to people in full-time employment, then you can see for some jobs (psychologists and care workers for example), women are typically paid more than their male counterparts.
EGOtyst 5y ago
Interesting hit take: if business could pay women 25%less, why don't they all just hire more women to make more profit?!
AWorseManThanYou 5y ago
I really hate the MRM posts, but I’ll add anyways.
Women earn less than men using Uber. Is the algorithm patriarchy in disguise? Nope. Men just work harder.
http://fortune.com/2018/02/06/uber-gender-pay-gap-study/
Blackhawk2479 5y ago
It’s not really an MRM post, I just didn’t think any of the other flairs were more appropriate.
SalporinRP 5y ago
It's pretty crazy how well the propaganda machine for this has worked. When I was in college so many women literally thought that it meant if a man and a woman were both working as a cashier at a grocery store, the man made $10/hr while the woman made $7.50.
Look when guys say that the pay gap is a myth they are not saying sex discrimination doesn't happen. It does. It just is very rare and happens on a much much smaller scale than feminists make it seem. Sex discrimination is literally against the law so companies would be risking a lot if they did it.
This chart says a lot: https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/640-width/20170805_WOC360.png
In Britain the "actual" gender pay gap between men and women who do the same job at the same company is 0.8%!
I can't imagine the US is that far off from that figure.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
We do discriminate. For women, not against them.
We have affirmative action for women. We pay women the same to do a given job even though they can get knocked up and take 6+ weeks of maternity leave. We pay women the same to do a given job even though they present a far greater lawsuit risk than men. Lots of discrimination for women.
ninklo 5y ago
Who's behind this propaganda machine? Why?
Wabbajak 5y ago
Look where the money flows.
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TheImpossible1 5y ago
The gender pay gap. Yet more lies that prove how psychopathic women are for power.
chacalate-smoovie 5y ago
Not "women" but hateful deceitful abusive lefties. Remember, there are some men fighting for this as well! All hoping to get laid as a result.
chacalate-smoovie 5y ago
Dude, anybody screaming EQUALITY has one thing on their mind: an advantage for themselves.
Do you think "gay marriage" is good for society? Fuck no, it allows hateful homosexual activists to go around destroying the lives of as many Christians as they can. When you already have "civil partnership" and all the legal rights then appropriating the word "marriage" is about fucking over Christians and anybody else religious or who cares about explaining the biological basics to children.
So we have "gender pay gap" to worry about. But ONLY in industries where there are more men than women, say... tech. Never mind that there are free scholarships to any woman who chooses tech, never mind there are so many girls-only programs to encourage tech, never mind any nerdy guy got the shit beat out of him at school!!! No, there are still not enough women in tech so we've got to pay them EQUAL even though the average skill of a woman in tech is extremely low (because they've never had to fight to be there).
No leftie ever gave a shit about a true equal playing field. Every leftie is the same. They want an advantage for themselves, regardless of how they've thrown away every opportunity in the past, and they do that screaming EQUALITY!!!!
The question is how much of a fucktard are you to buy their lie about equality?