Summary:
Most men have no problem making decisions about how to spend their time and money when it comes to essential tools, hobbies and the like. But for many men all logic goes out the window when it comes to women. Don't forget that women are just another luxury and require the same logic when it comes to deciding how much you want to spend.
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As humans we spend a lot of time deciding how to allocate scarce resources. In free societies many of the decisions are left to each individual; every day we make new decisions and live with the decisions we've made in the past. The resources available to each individual can be simply boiled down to only one or two things: time and money (yes, money is a representation of time spent, but it's simpler to think of them as two things).
So how might one decide to allocate to some money? A sensible person would make a list of the things he wants, think about the things he would have to sacrifice to make the allocation and eventually decide how much he is willing to spend. Most of the time you get less than you want and spend more than you want. That's life. But you can always choose whether to do the deal or not.
When it comes to a car, I want:
- Something fast,
- Something reliable,
- Something in good running order,
- Something practical,
- Something cheap to run,
I understand that if I buy the car I will have to sacrifice other things. Maybe I can't travel as much so, OK, I'll sacrifice some of that. But I still want to eat. So my price is set, what can I get? I can't tick all the boxes at my price point, but I'm sure I can find something that will tick most of them. Probably a small Japanese car.
That seems so basic but for some reason for most men all that logic goes completely out of the window when it comes to pussy. But women are a huge resource sink for men and you should treat women in exactly the same way: decide what you want and what you're willing to pay.
Here's what I want from a woman. Your list might be different, it might contain things like children and "love", but this is mine:
- Something attractive,
- Something reliable,
- Something in good running order,
- Something that is great to have sex with,
- Something cheap to run,
Notice how the list is quite similar to the one above? It might not make sense how some of these points apply to women, but let me break it down:
- Attractive. The obvious one,
- Reliable. I want to have sex whenever I feel like it, simple as that,
- Good running order. No diseases basically,
- Great sex. That means she's more than just a sex robot. No starfishes. I want a woman who wants me,
- Cheap to run. Also known as low maintenance. I'm not going to spend money on a woman and I don't want to spend much time with her. I don't like women and I don't want to hear about their problems. I only want sex and I'm only prepared to spend time that leads directly to sex (ie. foreplay) and a bit of time after sex (essentially paying ahead for the next lay).
When you break it down this way it's easy to see where you stand in the marketplace. There are two broad categories of women on offer: ones you have to seduce and ones you have to pay for with cash (the latter type are often called prostitutes, but there is really no distinction).
The ones you pay cash are probably less likely to be clean and much less likely to give great sex because they won't want you. But they have their virtues as they won't demand any of your time.
The ones you have to seduce are much more abundant and more likely to be attractive, clean and give great sex. The risk is that you spend too much of your time and money on them.
Now unfortunately your place in the sexual marketplace isn't entirely under your control. What you bring to the market is your time and money, but also yourself. Of course you can get lucky and find a bargain, but generally you'll be looking for women close to your level of attractiveness. Your price point will essentially be: you +/- your time and money. Since you can't control this I think it's only worth talking about what you can get in relative terms, ie. is the woman's price higher or lower than your own. I find that I'm able to spend no money and little time and get women only slightly less attractive than myself, who are reliable and give great sex. I suspect many of you might want to spend more of your time and get something more attractive. The choice is yours, though.
Conclusion:
Be logical in all areas of life, including your pursuit of women.
rpsheepdog 5y ago
Feminism is like a bad car salesman- trying to convince you that you need something you don't even want
moonchildcountrygirl 5y ago
Ultimately feminism isn’t even a deterrent if you fix your mindset. If it’s making other men dithering androgynous soy ladden betas, then all the better for you. Would you rather compete in a world where all men were redpilled by default and women’s sexual selection was even higher? That’s one of the reasons everyone got married at 22 in the 50s, women had enough social power to really act as gatekeepers. Feminism blasted down the gate for you, notice how many women, feminists included (even especially) are miserable but cant articulate why. you can resent it or be grateful
rpsheepdog 5y ago
I personally don't really have any qualms with feminism. It doesn't directly affect me, I don't work with women, no HR issues. I think the issue most people have is they are letting something external dictate the way their day goes. I don't resent the past, I just live in the present and accept it for what it is, and live my life in the way I want it to be and not talk about it.
moonchildcountrygirl 5y ago
Have you studied stoicism / zen?
rpsheepdog 5y ago
Not particularly, I'm familiar with it
SexdictatorLucifer 5y ago
Sold to an entire generation, and to most of another who even saw how much money their fathers wasted on the guy. Sounds like a pretty damn good car salesman to me.
rpsheepdog 5y ago
bad car salesman in the fact that its disingenuous, good on the sale
DreamExpedite 5y ago
Okay true that but why is it that everywhere, every post on TRP has comments just firing away at feminism ? Sure, I understand that it's a farce made by women for women, and that TRP is a safe place to discuss that yada yada, but man you've gotta let the resistance go man. Letting the resistance go means not really accepting reality, once you accept it you can either sit around and do nothing OR you can change stuff. But living with this negativity of thought WITHOUT initiative of action is a waste of your precious time.
Take care, and have a joyous day
melungeonmuscle 5y ago
Because it's a disease and the more people we educate the better off our children's children will be. Survival against all odds. Ascend to the god plane if we play to our instincts and listen to what the universe is really trying to tell us.
LokiWantsToPlay 5y ago
"I don't like women"
Then why are you here?
One of the essential tools needed for a successful seduction is a fun attitude (usually). To have a fun attitude, you need to build rapport with your target. That means ACTUALLY LIKING the person you're talking to.
I'm also calling bullshit on your "I don't like women" comment. I will put money on it that any semi-attractive girl who isn't an airhead and enjoys your company could easily wrap you round her little finger. You merely don't like them atm because they don't want you.
As to the rest of the post, yeah you should have a mental note for the type of women you'd go exclusive with.
RevolutionaryPea7 5y ago
I like having sex with them. i enjoy them before sex but immediately after I orgasm I'm done. That's just me.
LokiWantsToPlay 5y ago
And with that attitude, you are severely limiting your opportunities to get great sex out of said women. But you do you
RevolutionaryPea7 5y ago
I'm not saying I actually kick them out after sex. Not at all. I do spend time with them and nurture (short) relationships because I prefer sex with women I like and who like me. I don't like one night stands. But if I'm completely honest with myself, if I could just get that, if I could just have sex with women like that without investing the time, then I would. But I understand that I do have to invest the time. I seduce them, I keep them happy and I make them like me just like you. All I'm saying is it's work for me. I don't really want to do it.
LokiWantsToPlay 5y ago
Ah well fair enough then. I figured you were the one-fuck and out the door type.
And dude, it's work for all, if not most of us, lol
Imperator_Red 5y ago
He means he doesn't really like their personalities, and it's hard to deny that they have shitty personalities. We just tolerate them because they have vaginas.
LokiWantsToPlay 5y ago
They actually don't have shitty personalities when SMV is taken into account (Warning, generalisations ahead).
I've found that women typically have 3 states of mind (personalities - Let's be honest, few women actually develop proper personalities due to hardships) when it comes to men.
When she has the higher SMV (Or at least thinks it), they are a cunt. You're meant to be grateful to be in their presence and they feel they can drop you and pick you back up whenever they desire. First time this happens, drop the bitch.
When she has the lower SMV (Or at least thinks it), they are the sweetest little play things you can get your hands on. The kind of girls that a lot on this sub apparently look for in a woman. Now, the personalities aren't shitty in the slightest, the issue is, humans love a challenge and a woman wrapped around your finger becomes boring very quickly. Like i said, they're nice girls, fun at the start getting your fantasises indulged but get dropped quickly.
The final type is when SMV is on par (aka you are just slightly above her SMV level due to certain factors). This is where the real fun lies. Can she be a cunt? Sure, but that's what breaking shit tests and make up sex is for. Can she be wrapped around your finger? Yup, but only when you're on top of your game. These girls right here are the ones who keep your spirit alive and you out in society, never giving up (Obviously we're meant to have this mentality naturally but we all suffer a bad week/month every now and then).
Women are/can be fun to be around. You just need to find the ones which suit your lifestyle. And my reply has been far too long, lol
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RevolutionaryPea7 5y ago
That's all true and matches my experience too. But women are still women, and I don't like them. They are all irrational, materialistic, lazy and totally boring. I've never met any exceptions. But, of course, this is all from my own perspective.
maha420 5y ago
You might have problems finding one that's as rational as you'd like, but you can definitely find less materialistic, non-lazy/boring girls. They probably have other issues, but so does everyone else, including you. At some point you have to accept people for who they are. As long as they are presenting the side of themselves you want to see, and it is what they want to show you, you shouldn't have any problems.
LokiWantsToPlay 5y ago
... Dafuq have you been smoking that's blinding you, you've described most men of today too, lol.
EndySus 5y ago
Which kind of leads us to why the red pill exists in the first place, more and more men are acting like women.
ryandiy 5y ago
This is in line with my experience as well
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darkstar1031 5y ago
So you want a whore. Why not be honest with yourself and just admit that all you want is a whore. No shame in it. Plenty of places around that can take care of that for you, and the average cost is about 300 dollars an hour.
I'm not really sure of OP's value to this particular community, as most of the men here aren't necessarily looking for transactional sex, we're more about the chase and seduction, and outright paying a whore just takes all the fun out of it. I think OP needs to spend a lot more time reading from the sidebar, and a lot less time whining on the internet because he can't convince a woman to touch his weiner. And why would she. Any woman in the world is gonna pick up on the icky creep vibe from a mile away. Textbook incel, and doesn't belong here.
tchower 5y ago
Real blunt way of putting it man. Haha I think in some ways I could benefit from a break from the red pill and just get out there and start actually talking to girls besides the life improvement and reading PUA stuff.
I’ve paid whores in the past just to try it and to get over ex’s and have seduced girls also into one night stands, and I think the biggest difference is that the transactional sex doesn’t feel as real of a connection as going out and meeting girls.
Sure, you get the sex and they’ll do kinky stuff, but at the end of the day, they just fuck you, take your money and leave you and there’s no sincere connection or development. Unless you want to argue that all sex is transactional in some way.
RevolutionaryPea7 5y ago
I don't think I hid the fact that I see all women as whores. But you're missing the part where I want to have sex with women who actually want me. I like that kind of sex. I haven't actually paid for sex before, but I've had women give me duty sex and it's kinda lame. I'd rather masturbate.
300 dollars per hour is also way more than I'm willing to spend. I want sex multiple times per week.
I do seduce women, I'm just not losing sight of the fact that it's no different from hiring a whore. You pay either way. The price is different and what you get is different. But you're always paying for it. What part was me complaining that women won't touch my "weiner"? I lose track of your comment at that point.
darkstar1031 5y ago
I don't think I missed anything. I definitely got that bit about you wanting to have sex. Boil that statement down into its real meaning and all you have said in this whole thread is that you don't get sex from women you want.
And that is the other key, you want it, it has value to you so you are willing to buy it. Your whole paradigm is wrong. Do you think Usher or Bieber has to chase after pussy? No, they have women left and right throwing themselves at them with legs spread wide. It's the same with any of the men that women think about when they're rubbing one out. Sometimes it's Bieber, sometimes it's Channing Tatum, sometimes it's The Rock. Do you know what all these men have in common? Women chase after them.
You really need to read the stuff on the sidebar. Get over these absurd notions about transactional sex. Stop hanging out with whores. If you are doing everything correctly, the women will come to you, chase after you, make an effort to be around you. "Pay" you. It is clear that you are not ready, and have not yet fully swallowed the red pill. Hit the gym, delete Facebook, and stop being such a try-hard.
strikethrough123 5y ago
A lot of men and women have this idea that sex is transactional, and they are correct. You are giving the dick, she is giving the pussy.
j_arbuckle2012 5y ago
This is excellent and very cogent.
Most guys flounder in their development because they don't know what they want. Making a list like this keeps your head in the Game and helps you not get hypnotized by good cunt.
Write up a list like this and be brutally honest and logical. It will help you.
Mine:
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
Can totally relate to this post.
After yet another LTR behaved the exact same way (good for a while, then asexual, then asexual lazy and distant, all the while telling me how much she wanted to be with me) I'd had enough and did exactly this.
After proving the "just meet a great girl and it will all be fine" is a myth designed only to suit women, I did exactly as OP suggested: rationally and logically worked out what I wanted, what I didn't want, and what I'm prepared to pay.
My list came out like this:
Beyond that I would weigh it up on merit. Requires dates before sex, but the dates are fun? Sure thing. She's stupid but I don't actually have to talk to her? Totally fine. Needs money spent on her before sex? Dealbreaker. Dates before sex but she's too stupid or vacuous for me to enjoy it? Dealbreaker. Requires monogamy before sex? Dealbreaker. Impacts other areas of my life with drama or bullshit? Dealbreaker.
Where I had to compromise: Women simply will not do the initial stages of seduction themselves. When they do actually do it, it drives them into a bizarre needy weird emotional state (which is pretty funny, but not sexually productive). This means I have to do it. Which opens me up to lazy and passive women which I detest.... the solution here is to ruthlessly ditch women who take too long to seduce (more than a few dates) or who continue to be lazy and passive after sex.
Having made these changes, the first thing I noticed was that everything got a LOT easier, and I was a lot happier.
The second thing weird thing is that women never ever say "you just want me for sex" when you just want them for sex. They're either up for the sex or you don't see them. The "only want me for sex" line is reserved for manipulating betas into sticking around without sex.
Third amazing thing I noticed: my relationships got much much stronger and better in all regards. Girls more affectionate, less lazy, say less bullshit things, enjoy my company more, are nicer to deal with, etc. All the good things. Better relationships, no exclusivity, more freedom, better sex.
I can't help but laugh when people suggest I settle down, get married, etc.
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oooKenshiooo 5y ago
If you are prepared to go to a prostitute, go find a few clean ones and keep them on rotation as you would a plate. I have never paid for sex, but I fucked a few girls who were working as escorts. They were super clean and the sex was amazing. If you can afford it and want to reduce the hassle to a minimum, go for it.
However, TRP is about bettering yourself as a man, which means knowing for sure that you can cultivate sexual abundance without paying for it. Paying for sex is a circumnavigation of that aspect.
RevolutionaryPea7 5y ago
Sure, but the reason I choose TRP over paying for it is logical: I want to have sex with women who want me.
BurnoutRS 5y ago
all women are whores. Its just the form in which the transactions manifest that may confuse you. As such, the same rules apply whether cash is involved or not.
With a prostitute you have a much smaller window of time to influence her perception of you. You may already be starting at a low position if you are someone who has to pay for sex. However if it is simply a choice and you arent a desperate beta...
You also have to consider how long the girl has been in the game. Whether she is selective in screening her clients or just a streetwalker...
Ive fucked prostitutes that were absolute dead in the eyes, pay me fuck me and leave type situations. Had a rare gem here and there where she seemed just as into me, if not more, than girls from tinder.
One thing im not familiar with is being in an LTR or even keeping a plate longer than a week. Ive also never been a repeat customer to a prostitute.
In the end though, its up to you to be the man the girl wants to fuck, and to be selective. If a girl doesnt want you, barring her being a drugged out prostitute who is incapable of wanting anybody after years of back alley gangbangs, its on you.
Anasthaesium 5y ago
AWALT is true . But some are actually good ones , they want a man who can create a family and protect and provide .
Doesn’t mean they will be lifelong monogamous .
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What the fuck is this defeatist bullshit? God damn, it's getting old. The point of the Red Pill is to get women who are whores for other men to be sluts for you.
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BurnoutRS 5y ago
Every female is prostitute. that better?
lastdumra 5y ago
If you are paying her you can never know if she was into you or she was a good actress with you (and I'm being generous, the answer is the second option 99.9% of the time).
BurnoutRS 5y ago
funny how some of the worst sex Ive had, with the most disinterested women, has been when money was involved. Also some of the best sex. Whether Im reading things right or delusional, c'est la vie
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Except this is a bunch of bullshit and you know it. In all my relationships I've split costs evenly. Realistically I would treat her every now and then, so it was like a 55/45 split. If you are attractive, women want you for your genes, not just your money. I've never gotten laid a single time in my life because of money.
BurnoutRS 5y ago
All women are whores. Did I stutter?
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RevolutionaryPea7 5y ago
Money is one thing, but time is your real scarce resource. Have you never spent time with a woman that you didn't really want to? Watched a shitty movie just to keep her happy? If you enter into LTRs it gets worse. She'll make you feel bad when you want to do your manly hobbies alone while she's bored because she has no hobbies. It's in our instincts as men to care for women and we do. We try hard to keep them happy. It's the price we pay. You're not being honest with yourself if you think you're getting sex for free.
yttanx 5y ago
He doesn't know better because he's never kept a girl interested in him for longer than a week. Which I find sad.
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SuperCrazy07 5y ago
Well, if your starting point is all women are whores it’s going to be tough to keep them around.
yttanx 5y ago
Then you probably have A LOT to work on mate.
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BurnoutRS 5y ago
yes I have quite A LOT to learn
yttanx 5y ago
You should probably never pay for pussy again. NEVER PAY FOR PUSSY my man because that shit is free and abundant.
BurnoutRS 5y ago
wow, I almost didnt take you seriously until you took the time to restate yourself in all caps.
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ozaku7 5y ago
You just need a whore, any woman will be able to smell the bullshit that you are spewing.
Lubomir1994 5y ago
The day I became logical about what I have to be and what i can get from women was the day I became MGTOW.
Juice is not worth the squeeze.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
I still don't know exactly what MGTOW means. Do you guys give up on just relationships or sex altogether? Do you take your dick golfing a lot? Build little model airplanes together in your garage?
Useeikill 5y ago
MGTOWers are extremist red pilled folks, and I don't mean it in a bad way necessarily, who preach that "to win the game(that is stacked against men in the modern age) one can only truly win by not playing altogether(in the game)" This still includes sex however. Whereas more mild red pillers believe that "as a man to win, you must play as much as possible(to counteract how the game is slightly to moderately rigged against you [as a man])"
Lubomir1994 5y ago
it might be a shock to you but there is more to this world than coming back to your mommy's hug. Oops, I meant to your girlfriends hug.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
MGTOW are too pathetic for words.
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redhawkes 2 5y ago
MGTOW = sour grapes. They can't get pussy, so instead of fixing the problem, they give up.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
If they were honest I wouldn't give a fuck. They pretend like it's their choice though. It's like the kid who sucks at basketball when you're playing a pickup game on the playground so he just starts messing around and pretending like he never cared about the game.
SalporinRP 5y ago
Everyone hates that loser. The guy who just starts dribbling casually and jacking up shots like he doesn't give a shit because he sucks.
MGTOW is just defeatist bullshit. Yeah I bet there's some alpha millionaires that got tired of the rat race of plating/dating women and just resorted to fucking hookers because they can afford to but that is such a minuscule portion of that sub that it isn't worth talking about.
Yes, we all strive to be exceptional in our careers. But you need to be pretty wealthy to afford to casually fuck hookers whenever you get horny. And the likelihood that your average chump entering the manosphere for the first time is going to be able to obtain that wealth is small.
So what is MGTOW's solution then? They aren't clear. If you can't afford to fuck hookers and you think the dating game is rigged then just become a monk and be celibate? Fuck that.
I'd rather get divorced raped 5 times over then relegate myself to a life of jerking it into a tissue every day because "ThE JuIcE IsN't WoRtH tHe SqUeEzE"
redhawkes 2 5y ago
Exactly, it's ego protection mechanism.
tchower 5y ago
Then the way the alpha MGTOW sees the red pill is a bunch of immature teenagers in the teenager phase of life. Not their representative, but this is what I’ve heard on their side. Like the old cliche’ goes, “different strokes for different folks”. I honestly look at it because the anti-feminism, anti-metoo and outcome independence mentality I agree with them on. Red pill makes fun of celibacy on MGTOW, and MGTOW makes fun of “hold frame brah” advice.
RevolutionaryPea7 5y ago
They just have lives that don't revolve around women. Is it really that hard to understand? Surely you have other things in your life beside getting pussy? I did go through a phase in my mid-20s when I spent a lot of my time trying to get laid, but now in my 30s I have short, monogamous relationships and it's a tiny part of my life, to be honest. The rest of the time I spend on me. Learning, reading, lifting, travelling etc.
MGTOW doesn't imply celibacy, it just implies going their OWN way. And sometimes that way is celibacy. I don't blame them at all.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Such a fucking strawman argument. No one in the entire manosphere advocates having your life revolve around women. I fail to see how not being celibate=my life revolves around women.
RevolutionaryPea7 5y ago
Did you not essentially just ask "what do men do if they're not having sex?" The answer is simple and obvious: they do what you do, minus the sex.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
The issue is that anytime a MGTOW says "my life doesn't revolve around women" to one of us, the clear implication is that they believe that our lives revolve around women because we haven't chosen celibacy.
RevolutionaryPea7 5y ago
The issue just seems to be black and white thinking, us vs them, etc. The way I see it it's possible to have a healthy, balanced lifestyle that incorporates women. For me, MGTOW is a lifestyle, and TRP is a sexual strategy that is compatible with that lifestyle.
O--- 5y ago
MGTOW means that you conclude that women are simply no longer worth the effort and therefore go your own way. Some RP'ers hate on MGTOW as it is a form of giving up. But as this post already indicates, to each their own, and frankly, their conclusion isn't all that crazy given modern post-feminist society.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Still didn't answer my question. Do they completely give up on sex or just relationships?
O--- 5y ago
I assume that depends on the person. There isn't a strict set of rules on what comprises MGTOW.
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[deleted] 5y ago
You may not want to hold your breath.
One day, someone will explain why incels/mgtows spend any time at all on a sexual strategy sub. I mean, by definition, they are opting out, voluntarily or not.
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SalporinRP 5y ago
The advise just fucking hookers/escorts the idiots.
Yeah because the average man can afford to do that whenever he gets horny. /s
A decent hooker in the US will run you 300/hr. If you fuck one hooker a week that's 15k a year. Fuck that.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Isn't part of the MGTOW philosophy that it's legally/financially dangerous to pursue women in the modern context? Yet they advise using hookers which are both expensive and legally risky?
Vikingcel 5y ago
I think they're just gay. Men Going The Other Way.
Lubomir1994 5y ago
And to answer your question - porn and cheap hookers
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Why don't you just tell the truth? You're an incel. We're not here to shame you. We want to help you get laid. I simply do not believe that there is a large community of attractive men who are giving up pursuing women to watch porn and fuck cheap hookers.
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Would you consider someone who swears off women but still lifts and improves themselves an incel?
Imperator_Red 5y ago
An incel is someone that can't get laid. I'm sure there are some legit MGTOW's (probably almost exclusively guys that got badly burned in divorce), but the majority are definitely incels pretending like the don't care.
Lubomir1994 5y ago
If i could attach a photo i would have taken a picture of where I am right now - gambling high stakes in an underground cafe. Everybody is a criminal here, including me. I sell stolen products online and also drugs, ofcourse. Do i sound like a pussy to you now?
I like incels because they are smart but me posting there doesnt mean i am one. They just have funny memes.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
No, you sound like you should be in prison.
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KeffirLime 5y ago
Life is a game of natural selection, men and women across all species compete to mate, and pass on genes. The next set of genes is better equipped for life and then repeats this competition process. The good genes breed, while the bad genes breed out. This is essentially evolution in action, if you've ever attended a high school biology class you'd know this.
It's why lions and chimps kill each other, to be the strongest and it's also why the weak are left to die. Life is significantly better for those at the top of the dominance hierarchy because they have good genes and good genes are valued across all species.
Going MGTOW is essentially repressing and actively fighting against this inherent evolved desire to compete and conquer and pass on ones genes. It's pushing back against millions of years of evolution. On a personal level I can't see how a person can be satisfied living life this way. I have never seen men with great access to mates going MGTOW because it goes against our nature.
The red pill is about harnessing and maximizing our potential in the game of natural selection, while MGTOW is about checking out of it(against their biological wiring). This is why the two are incongruent.
CHICKENCURRY11 5y ago
dude some people have been hurt so brutally by women there is no coming back. Women are going against their nature.
Lubomir1994 5y ago
But civilization is not what our "biological wiring" is about. 300 million years of evolution havent catched up with 6000 years of civilization.
If i beat the shit out of someone or kill him, i will go to prison. If I consider my nation's people as brothers, I am not naturally wired to deceive them and socially "dominate" them. This subreddit is everything i am not biologically wired for. What I have to do is a set of manipulation tactics listed on this subreddit for which I am definitely not biologically wired for (women are wired for this, btw). When i go out I dont want to think about who is amogging who, or think about my posture, or think about push and pull strategies and etc.
If I was in a nomadic tribe in a land with other hostile nomadic tribes and if each tribe was 50-100 people THEN I would have been biologically wired for reproduction by trying to get one of the women in the tribe.
Right now I am reproducing every single time a hooker sucks my dick for 15 euro (i am from bulgaria) or when I jack off to porn. I am definitely happier then when i was browsing this sub, eating carrots and meat all the time, working out like a robot in the gym and humiliating myself by approaching strangers.
Or are you going to tell me that its any different if you fuck a girl for which you havent paid for? (Biologically speaking)
KeffirLime 5y ago
Civilization and evolution are not mutually exclusive.We didn't just wake up one day with a sophisticated civilization.
Evolution created civilization, its a part of evolution. We compete and evolve to create and advance civilizations. Those best suited to our current societies are competing better and therefore are more favorable for reproduction.
Our biology doesn't just disappear. The same mechanisms are at play, just under different constraints.
So we no longer beat or fight it out with our hands, but we still compete to show strength, power etc. a man who is well built, has lots of money and free time is signaling that he is competent and has good genetics, suited for competing and navigating modern societal terrain.
Ultimately our evolved desire to compete and reproduce is still there and repressing and fighting it is still just as unsatisfying as ever.
Lubomir1994 5y ago
A man well evolved is not rich and thriving but is in prison nowadays.
A coward manipulative bitch is rich and thriving in the current environment.
Also read a book on evolution or watch a youtube video to see that our genes havent catched up AT ALL with civilization.
You are talking out of your ass, sorry.
KeffirLime 5y ago
Having wealth, your own business, a well built physique, intelligence, masculinity makes you well evolved. This will easily put you in the top 20% of males and therefore desirable. This is a well evolved man as he has shown proficiency with regard to navigating modern society.
You're missing me entirely, I'm not saying we're biologically suited to technology, cars or cities, I'm saying that our inherent desire to have a high value mate and reproduce with them is as active as ever, hence actively repressing this desire will make you unhappy (MGTOW).
Lubomir1994 5y ago
Well thats not true in my case. I dont feel better at all competing.
KeffirLime 5y ago
That's fine, you're unique.
Most men who can adequately compete will do so for this very reason.
I've yet to see a sexually successful man opting out of the dating market.
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Lubomir1994 5y ago
I have yet to see a sexually succesful man browse trp
KeffirLime 5y ago
Been doing the ostrich then, there's plenty.
justmemeee 5y ago
Nobody wants you if you have to make lists like that. Sorry buddy.
dontbethatguynow 5y ago
What's up with all the Autism on sub lately? Logic is great and all but I'm not sure chicks are looking to bang calculators.
RevolutionaryPea7 5y ago
If it's autistic then it's because I'm autistic. I can't change who I am and don't want to anyway. But I have learnt to seduce women.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
You're not autistic. That guy is a moron.
dontbethatguynow 5y ago
Good for you man "just be yourself"
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Are you a bit slow? What does having a list of things look for in a woman have to do with the way you pick them up? We are almost all logical guys here (except you obviously), but that doesn't mean we act like robots when we talk to women. I'm so sick of clowns like you derailing every thread by saying shit that doesn't make any sense.
dontbethatguynow 5y ago
Breaking these down into physical lists and writing them out seems a little weird and kind of pathetic. Living emotionless isn't healthy either, I mean you dont want to feel happy?
People seem to dig too deep into to what's on this sub. It's not difficult, all this data collection, numbers listing and other autistic crap isn't necessary. People are making thing more difficult then they need to be.
I mean really. He wants an attractive healthy women, that he doesn't need to spend a lot of money on because he's probably broke.
If you need to write this down....
RevolutionaryPea7 5y ago
What, you think I show women these lists? This post isn't about seduction. Women don't see this side of me.
If you don't operate like this then you operate based on feelings, like a woman.
dontbethatguynow 5y ago
I feel hungry sometimes, therefore I am woman.
Better work on your logic boy.
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themackattack90 5y ago
The thing about throwing around personal insults is that you shouldn't do it if you are planning on telling everybody that you think hunger is an emotion.
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RevolutionaryPea7 5y ago
I work on it every day. What have you worked on today?
ntvirtue 5y ago
Apparently he is working on his pedantic snarky internet replies.....I am sure maxing out that skill gets mad pussy.
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yttanx 5y ago
Ironic. Hunger isn't an emotion you retard. Get off the internet and go read a book.
dontbethatguynow 5y ago
Did I say it was? It's a feeling. As is thirst. Cold and warmth.
You dont drink water because you logically conclude "if i dont drink water I'm going to die"
You drink water because you feel thirsty.
Feelings and emotions are different for those of you that are foreign or lack education.
CruxKimura 5y ago
Patos, logos, etos. Patos and etos for chicks. Logos for youself
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Good post. It is definitely an economic problem. I was thinking of the situation where you're punching well above your SMV weight....an objectively hot and desired girl who will be a pain to deal with. Contrast that to 2-3 girls somewhat below you in SMV. Yeah, they aren't as hot, but they know they cannot make the demands that the hot girl can make.
Aro2220 5y ago
I find the genetic argument more persuasive for MGTOW type shit than some analogy to a marketplace.
And the reason is... I may like a nice fast car but I'm not biological hardwired to lose my shit to get it.
On top of that, my entire genetic line doesn't come to an end if I decide not to buy the car.
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Women hold all the keys to all the locks. Giving them administrative power on top of that gives them the dominance to enact insane policies regardless of how self-destructive they are. This wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't for the biological fact that women are evolved to be selfish and short-sighted. There is literally nothing functionally wrong with that...unless you make them your rulers. Which is what is the case in 2019.
RevolutionaryPea7 5y ago
Well you clearly care about things that I don't. Women might mean to you than they do to me. That's OK, you just want different things to me, and you might have to pay a different price.
Aro2220 5y ago
You are an idiot. This is how biology works. If your genetic line does not continue then your genes end and you are not part of the selection process anymore.
Fuck I'm either talking to a high school drop out of a gender studies professor. The latter would be the less intelligent person. You are dumb enough to be either.
RevolutionaryPea7 5y ago
I have a PhD in biology. I know how it works. Why would that make me want children?
Snowpeartea 5y ago
This piece is amazing and extremely helpful to my current situation. Had this plate/Fwb for about a year now. I lived comfortably and below my means where I can splurge on the occasion. Ever since seeing her regularly I always feel so broke, emotionally and financially drained all the time. The sex is good, the funny thing is she takes me to expensive restaurants and buys me gifts all the time. I only pay for the small bills, however small amounts done many times adds up to big amount. She always wants to hangout and gets upset whenever I want to spend me time.
For woman you have to be logical as well, now I am going to build a budget for just spending money and time with her.
I am really happy to have found this community, although I swallowed the pill, but at times habits and actions go back to the blue pill ways and is being actively practicing and sharing our knowledge that helps bring me back to the ways!
RevolutionaryPea7 5y ago
It happens to the best of us, brother. The Red Pill is not something you swallow once and be done with it. The world is still hard, it's always been this way, TRP just gives you the vision and the tools to deal with it.
Mangasbzo7 5y ago
Great post OP. Women are just another commodity like steak.
DropDeadTyrant 5y ago
my list is literally: nice hair, green eyes, paints her nails. yours makes me look like i'd accept anything. i'd think with the list being so low tier, i'd be scoring all over the place. but, highschool is pretty much over. i just gotta keep hitting the gym and hope for college.
BenchMadeEmissary 5y ago
Clearly not your list literally. Otherwise you easily wouldve found a girl by now. That or you've never talked to a woman in your life considering only 1 out of 3 of those things is rare and I shouldn't have to say which one
DropDeadTyrant 5y ago
it's pretty literal. my luck is shit and my school is shit eod