Summary: cold approach day game works and the best way to do it and learn is to get multiple approaches in the same day, consecutively.
Body: So I was finally able to do what Torero and other coaches say you should do, which is to do a ton of approaches in one session. Tom says 10, and that was my target.
It was kind of a scattershot deal, but the first step is just get the fuck out the door with a mission in mind--yesterday, it was day game and getting those 10 approaches.
I started at a mall. I immediately approach an attractive black woman, but when I saw she had a massive wedding ring I cut off the set and went on my way. It's not that I'm opposed to sleeping with a married woman (sexual strategy is amoral), but when they're wearing a ring it seems a bit uncalibrated--fuck now that I'm thinking about it I probably just should've kept going. Oh well.
Anyway, I walk around the mall and it's kind of shitty--not very many people--so I start walking out to my car. But as I get to the door, I'm like, goddamnit, let's take one more look.
And I'm glad I did. My initial mistake was actually pretty stupid: I wasn't going into any stores. So this time I do, and I spot a girl (HB 8) in a Lakers jersey and tease her saying I don't like them (smoother than that, but you get the gist).
Anyway, I run the set, telling her she's cute, etc., and get her to hook: that's when she starts asking questions about you. The final piece was pretty simple, I just asked for her number and she gave it to me.
One point here--and I think it was RSD Luke who said this but I've also heard Todd V say it too--is that I said we should grab a glass of wine, or cocktails, then asked her what kind of booze she likes as she's typing her number into my phone. Now when I call her I've already put the seed into her mind of what we're going to be doing, which should make her less likely to flake.
I'm not going to go through every approach, because frankly I want to get out there and do it again today, but here's a quick run-down:
- 12 approaches (2 mall, 1 coffee shop, 5 street, 1 book shop, 3 bar)
- 2 blowouts (didn't stop or engage)
- 7 vibe (meaning I had a good vibe with the girl)
- 3 number closes
- 2 Instagram
To be honest, this is the first time I've done anything like that in terms of approaching. Before it's just been cold approach here, cold approach there, number here, number there.
But I have to say, what I did yesterday is the way to do it--you gain so much confidence and momentum as you go and you're learning constantly as the day proceeds. To me, the most powerful thing about the whole experience was that it really fucking works. I mean, part of me knew that it works already, but to actually go out there and do it and know--truly know--that multiple approaching day game works is a revelation.
I'm just going to say a big shout out to Tom Torero--I know Nash and some other guys in the community aren't huge fans of his, but I've been listening to a bunch of his podcasts recently and what I did yesterday is basically just copying what he says to do. And it really fucking works.
So thank you Tom.
And yeah, is it possible all those leads flake? Sure--because that's what women do: they flake.
But it doesn't matter.
Because if I can generate 5 leads a day and I go run day game just twice a week, that's 10 leads a week, and at some point, the girls won't flake.
I should mention, one already did--the girl in the coffee shop--and was super self-righteous about the fact I picked her up. But whatever. The funny thing was that in the moment, she was hooked 100%--I mean, she was vibing with me, smiling, etc. and she did give me her number, right, and that's a testament to game: it works to the point where women can't even help but feel attraction to you.
But that leaves me with 4 leads, and I'll ping them tomorrow and see what happens from there. The likely thing is I only need one to date this week, because I'm supposed to see Truck Girl again and I have my son next weekend so my calendar is pretty full.
Anyway guys, the takeaway message is just get out there and approach--I've been consuming tons of theory via YouTube and podcasts from Tom over the past year, but I learned more yesterday than in everything else I've done so far combined.
Back at it today. Wish me luck.
Lessons Learned:
1) Cold approach pick-up is an extremely effective way to meet women YOU choose.
2) The best way to learn is to do multiple consecutive approaches--10 or more if possible.
3) Cold approach theory is great, but you can't apply that learning unless you're actually out there doing it.
Stoicjaguar 5y ago
If its adventure and women you seek , then cold approach is the bro you need.
Stoicjaguar 5y ago
Please do share your resources .
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
Guys interested in this topic will find the below of interest:
Approach Anxiety: Faint Heart Never Fucked Fair Lady
-Take a Deep Breath, and Make It Count.
Abundance Mentality - Why It's Good For You.
-If You Really Want To Know, Go And Build It.
Uncle Vasya’s Guide to Outcome Independence or Welcome to Level 99 DGAF
-How to Rock Out With Your Cock Out
Teachable Moment: Every Encounter is an Opportunity
-Girls Are All Around You.
InscrutablePUA 5y ago
Nice write up! Dating apps have made me lazy... I'm pretty average looking but get some pussy here and there through them. Need to stop being a chode and start pounding the pavement. Any daygame guides or gurus to read up on?
warlordchad 5y ago
I like Torero, Todd V, James Marshall, RSD Max, and RSD Tyler. You can’t go wrong with Mystery or The Game by Strauss.
InscrutablePUA 5y ago
going old school! i like it. i grew up on strauss and mystery.
i suspect the key to day game is to keep it simple. if you're busy be direct but calibrated and get the number and move along.
if you're not busy, chat for a bit and try to do an insta date. works great with tourists in a city.
sezamus 5y ago
3 numbers - 25% closing rate. This is actually very, very good. I am impressed.
BerdoRules 5y ago
Any more podcasts like Tom Torero? All I do is listen to podcasts at work with headphones.
lux_7 5y ago
This post through a devil's advocate lens: "women I exchange contact with will flake, so I'm basically wasting time".
If you tell yourself "women flake, that's what they do..", then that's what they will do.
And going by this post that also means that day game is also immensely ineffective: go out there a whole day, approach all the time... And maybe you'll land a date a month.
empatheticapathetic 5y ago
This post is a bit bare by skipping out on the actual content of how you introduced yourself and gamed the women.
If you’re short for time why post until you’re able to complete it?
Auvergnat 5y ago
There are better ressources than TRP on how to run day game, and better teachers than beginners like OP. In my opinion, if you’re so interested, the best thing you can do is go back to the same resources that OP used and conveniently linked to.
warlordchad 5y ago
That is a one hundred percent fair criticism. I'll do a quick write up and post it with more details on the actual interactions.
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McVaghunter 5y ago
I fucking love day game, I used to call it "the hunt" before discovering this sub. It is a ruthless game that requires high SMV but once you do have the SMV, the results are far better than any app could ever provide; there are no arbiters distracting the prey.
The_Red_Trooper 5y ago
I am black and tinder is almost useless. But day game works. If you are under 6 foot then you should be approaching in real life. Yes you will get rejected but the rejection rate will be better than using apps. Online dating and swiping is only for Chad's and Tyrones. I am 5'8 so approaching women in real life is the way to go. I am built like an mma fighter but land whales will actually think they have a chance with me. I wouldn't dare approach a land beast in real life. Fuck Instagram and all social media.
OfficerWade 5y ago
Dude, beasts were put on this earth to be slain
yeezusshityall 5y ago
That's because girls actually have no fucking clue what different heights look like lmao. I'm 5'9" and get "told" I'm over 6 foot all the fucking time. A combination of being dumb as fuck and believing dudes who lie about their height. Same with dick size, I'm a little above average, but girls say I'm big as fuck cause their last boyfriend said he was 8" when he was 6" lmao.
warlordchad 5y ago
I’m white and Tinder is useless for me too bro. I don’t get who these girls are swiping on but I wish it was that easy... but by the same token, learning game this way makes it so much easier to escalate on dates.
lBloodyl 5y ago
Me neither. Even when I catfish I don't get many matches.
volvostupidshit 5y ago
Makes you really wonder who the fuck are they swiping right...
swampbastard1415 5y ago
I am white 6 1”, and am probably an 8.5/10 looks - I fortunately get a lot of attention for my looks from girls in real life. And Tinder is nearly useless for me - I am mid 30’s which I think helps in real life but hurts online - I have no fucking idea who they are swiping on.
esirnus18 5y ago
The key is to be different! I’m Eastern European but I was raised in America can speak Perfectly in my native tongue but since I grew up in Florida I choose to converse in English. And when I meet the match I even do exaggerated southern accent!
I’m a tad shorter than 6’ maybe could be in boots. I used to have a awesome physique but after terrible leg brake I sort of fell into a rot. Now I’m working out again and you can tell that I work out but nowhere near when I was at my peak. I’m 31 have a very nice beard and blue eyes that poop. I would say I’m a 6/10 at my top bodybuilding days was likely 7/10 so pretty average or slightly above. I have a decent picture on tinder (only one) showing me walking along the mountain trail with visible veins on my biceps so to show that I’m fit and active. I list my age as 29 and after matching I go straight into “what’s up” or “wanna join me for drinks?” Type of convo always in English, then after the initial response and interest shown ask for number and than strictly logistics. These bitches know why they are on tinder you don’t need to tell them how pretty they are or how hot their pictures are. They already been told million of times by hoards of thirsty betas. Now a days (even I’m not a chad or nowhere near a chad level) I use tinder like a pussy buffet. Some I don’t even plate or want to see again just sex. And it works.
Andgelyo 5y ago
Your age plays a big factor I’m willing to bet. Most girls on tinder are extremely young (18-24), and want the hot, tall, male model young chad. I’m saying from experience, since I used to match much more when I was 24 than now at 28.
OfficerWade 5y ago
I’m like you. 6’3 190lbs and yes that’s lean but I’m well rounded. I can date most girls who aren’t up their own self righteous ass. If she’s alone and I approach it’s almost 100% I’m going to number close
Pro tip. Hit the iron while it’s hot. When I get their number I usually say I’m going to bring her out on some specified “date” but I would rarely call it a date. Sex is the only end game. You only want to remain incel when it’s a girl you think is going to get better.
Some girls are only good when you meet them.
LeftHookTKD 5y ago
I have the similar stats in height and weight. Do you approach girls on the street as you walk past them? Or only at clubs/bars? And how do you open if you do it on the streets?
CryptoViceroy 5y ago
You'd honestly be surprised.
The top men & women on Tinder aren't even that attractive.
These are the 13 most popular men and women on Tinder in the UK
reversec 5y ago
desirability = what everyone wants, others want.
lol
aDrunkenWhaler 5y ago
The lesson here is completely different. They've all been on tinder for a few years, have 5-15 matches per day, but only went on a few first dates. Even if you multiply this by 10, you'd still get a shit return of investment, and this is for the most popular users.
This tells you how 'succesful' these guys really are, and how much the girls don't give a fuck about dating anybody from there and only use the app for validation.
I have to say, I did fuck a few girls from Tinder, including a legit HB8 18yr old, but honestly, Tinder is a huge waste of time.
yeezusshityall 5y ago
Lmao every single one of the dudes on there are hot, and have jobs that sound like they would pay a lot, plus a couple musicians. Gimme a fuckin break, they're not that attractive. If these people aren't attractive then your standards are incel-level bullshittery.
majani 5y ago
What can be observed from that list is how the men all follow a strict standard of beauty, while the women are more varied.
CryptoViceroy 5y ago
These are the top tinder profiles for an entire country.
You'd be expecting the top of the top. 10/10 looks, top tier genetics - and for men a muscular build, top job etc.
This is a hookup app with a focus on looks, so we're obviously expecting the best looking people to be top of the pile - but they're not.
Most of those people are just average joes you'd see on the bus or your workplace.
For dudes - The dude you'd expect to be top Number 11 doesn't even make the top 10.
He's beaten out by two average looking, skinny DYEL's. One who gets a boost from being on TV, the other who works a pretty average financial consultancy job.
And then even with the women - You'd expect Number 7 or perhaps Number 10 to be the top woman.
Yet they're both beaten by number 3, an objectively average looking woman.
That's my point, the objectively hottest people aren't necessarily the best profiles on tinder. Not sure what plays into that.
Auvergnat 5y ago
And even if all those girls flake, you still get the benefit of the experience. That is, the day you find yourself at a house party and notice a pretty girl (aka, a “natural” environment), then you’re 1000% better prepared to pick her up thanks to your previous efforts in the field having desensitised you to rejection, helped you calibrated your delivery, and overall taught you Game that works vs Game that doesn’t.
Gburchell27 5y ago
This is really encouraging cheers!
diydude2 5y ago
Why is it encouraging? He didn't get any pussy. Isn't that the point of all this?
pootaboo 5y ago
Read the RP side bar. You don’t get it dude.
mathmanguy 5y ago
Sounds like a lot of fun, honestly.
CheeseSolenoid 5y ago
Where do you stand in terms of looks? It is a major variable in cold approaching, it should be accounted for.
tchower 5y ago
I like how this guy mentioned pre-selection in approaching other girls. Sometimes I’m afraid of looking bad because if I approach a girl and she doesn’t like me and then I go approach other girls I look bad, but in reality, it just demonstrates to her that she isn’t the only girl so it’s not that bad.
c4toyourdoornobeef 5y ago
You’re correct. However, it’s “pre-selection” if you’re an attractive well dressed guy( which is why trp advocates lifting)
If you’re scruffy, skinny or fat looking guy who looks like he just rolled out of bed and he’s going around approaching, he’s going to be escorted out by security.
tchower 5y ago
Usually white knight security would only escort you out if woman started complaining to them, or they think you’re a thief like he said in the video. Obvious things like hygiene and dressing well should be obvious. The next step is to not be a pussy and cold approach. He talked about being in situations where the girl is a bitch to you, but might not be a bitch to another guy she likes.
I’ve been in situations where the girl is a bitch to her boyfriend and nice to me that I fucked, and also situations where the girl acted like a bitch no matter what I said and would give me these one word answers to my questions. Game can only go so far or take you so far, but approaching a lot of woman will increase your odds of getting numbers and dates. I’m personally not a big fan of most PUA, but approaching more bitches will increase your #’s.
magx01 5y ago
I tend to avoid pitfalls not walk directly into them but thanks for the advice I guess.
ruboius99 5y ago
This is the opposite of redpill though?
mseand 5y ago
Why should I approach 10+ sets during the day walking around for hours when i could head to a bar and approach 1-3 sets for a possible pull?
Imho, I don't think you should approach too many sets in order to get laid unless you're looking to stay at the current skill level you're at.
First off, I know this is a numbers game but your treating it like a game where your ratio can't be heightened because of an exponential increase in skill.
Second, I don't think Tom Torero is a decent role model for game. Watched some of his videos and his game's pretty weak and platonic. Highly recommend staying away from his vids.
Third, it's possible to pull from day game. It appears that you're only going for number closes instead of trying to solve the logistics. It would be understandable if you're logistically screwed - ie. You live far or whatever - but try and actually pull, man. It takes much more time in day game because it's much more random.
Other than that, increasing leads has always been a good way to practice in your dating life. I used to prefer going for number closes at night but going on dates takes up way more time than just going for a single night lay.
Another thing, if you know how to make a girl chase hard, they're not going to flake...unless you have shit text game
Props to you for taking the extra step though
xezhaw 5y ago
I don't agree with this. It's just another way of getting women. Some men prefer daygame over nightgame, that's it. For me, daygame seems better because I don't like club environments.
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yeezusshityall 5y ago
It's just preference. Personally, I fucking hate bars and clubs, so I prefer daygame. It's all about numbers, it doesn't really matter where you're approaching, get to where you're going on 2-4 first dates a week and shit really starts rolling.
RodzillaPT 5y ago
Now that's your conclusion. I think he presents numbers as bare-minimum expected results and intends to do as many approaches in order precisely to refine game and escalate.
But you do have a point when you say that he should be looking for the pull anyways and settling for phone numbers if anything should be seen as a transition phase. But then again, if youre simply settling for numbers, you're not really improving in the pulling aspect.
warlordchad 5y ago
Dude, I totally see your points. I have pulled from a bar situation three times in the last 6 months, so I can do that, but if you read my blog, you'll see that I'm kinda down on bar/nightclub game.
I agree that that's the best place to go if you're going for a same day lay and pull, but there's nothing wrong with trying multiple strategies--and I have no problem getting a number and taking a girl on a date later in the week--I usually seal it on the first date anyway.
The thing I liked about this first true immersion into day game was that I got multiple reps, quick feedback, and was able to calibrate and learn. IMHO, bar/nightclub game is some of the most difficult shit to do, and I'm hoping that by leveling up with some day game rapid approaches, I can get better at that too. At the end of the day, game is game, and the more experience you have the better.
SnowMonkeyCracker 5y ago
I don't want to piss in OP's pool but somebody has to say something.
0 times laid. What is the point of a phone number (which is probably fake) or some random Instagram page? Nobody ever cold sells a product that is in demand.
Why do cold-approach day-gamers never notice that Chad is not out there with them? So if cold-approach is not what Chad does, what does that say about cold-approach day-gamers? Good products don't use cold-selling.
(NOTE: I am talking about cold-approach day-gaming. I am not talking about taking the initiative in existing social situations)
tchower 5y ago
Where’s this mythic Chad? Other than Zac Effron, Johnny Depp, boy band lead singer and I’ve met a couple professional MMA fighters who might be able to pull this off, but I’ve never seen this guy who just easily slays pussy left and right with no game, no frame and never gets rejected by hot girls. Where is this mythic legend? Haha
Idontgetitboyz 5y ago
The point is experience and learning how to get there. You have to walk the walk
INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
So you're talking going out specifically to game? If so, I think the same thing.
There is just something really inherently off about leaving your house with the sole purpose of trying to pick up women. That frame is fucking thirsty and totally not Red Pill. This is specifically PUA.
Do shit you enjoy, expand activities if you need. Initiate with attractive women you notice along the way.
Also, yes. Don't post about shit working, unless it's gotten you laid. It HAS NOT worked yet.
Props to OP for having balls to do this, though. Now get out of PUA, most of those dudes are losers ;-)
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GastrointestinalRein 5y ago
I am skinny dude, 5'9 aswell, currently started bulking so should i just wait till i buff or start going out there.
InscrutablePUA 5y ago
get out there now... build the skill of approaching. plenty of skinny guys get laid it's not that hard.
le_wolfe 5y ago
Do you need some stranger's permission to do this?
C'mon, make decisions for yourself. You know who you are. If you have decent social skills and have the logistics, go for it.
If not, then you need to work on the basics first.
DrSrgTawhid 5y ago
You’ll get rejected at higher rates than you normally would if u were buff. But still approach now, practice is important. If you are an unconfident dude, all the rejections may take a toll on you and decrease ur self confidence and esteem. But please don’t have that mentality and just go for it, and instead of losing confidence, gain confidence with each and every rejection. You’ll become a more social outgoing person if u start cold approaching
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