I'm sure most if not all of you know the importance of reading. It's been drilled into our heads since the first day of kindergarten that reading is a cornerstone of our education.
Reading increases your value, not just as a man but as a human being. Whole books filled with knowledge and years of experience compiled for you can be bought or borrowed (yes, for free!). People live, learn, and experience and put pen to paper to document their findings for the world to see. Yet most don't tap into this vast fountain of knowledge.
I can keep going on and on but I'm sure you get the point.
Here's my list of recommended RedPill reading material. Read and digest the sidebar, and when you're ready, come back for more to continue your journey. Enjoy the ride, Alice.
Beginner (Core)
No More Mr. Nice Guy by Robert Glover: This is the book that helped me realize all my years of beta behaviors and identify the root cause of why I was the way I was and where my behaviors (validation seeking, manipulating, emotionally impacted, frustrated pushover, etc) stemmed from (my childhood and teenage years). It helped me understand why certain behaviors are truly unhealthy and why the correct behaviors can right your ship as a man and instill a deep sense of confidence. If you've just recently swallowed the pill and still can't understand or are frustrated by the state of your current behaviors, this book is fantastic. Your basic core of TRP behaviors start here.
Models by Mark Manson: I started my self improvement journey really deep into PUA material. I wanted to prove to myself that I could indeed pull any girl I wanted. This culminated in little success due to the lines, concepts, and routines I learned in an attempt to seduce women. They saw right through it to my inner most deepest insecurities and confidence issues, and most importantly my sheer frustration, desperation, and anger towards them. There were nuggets of great information over in r/seduction and it definitely paved my way to discovering and swallowing TRP. This book cuts straight through the crap and goes to the nuts and bolts behind seduction and social dynamics. Manson focuses the first half of the book on bettering one's self and cultivating behaviors that create an attractive man whilst the second half is all about the actions you must take in order to present the attractive side that you've cultivated out to your subjects. Definitely read after No More Mr. Nice Guy.
How To Win Friends & Influence People by Dale Carnegie: You will learn how to do what this title of the book states and much, much more. A classic staple, Carnegie goes behind the psychology of how human beings interact and feel in a social dynamic. Lots of great examples and techniques on training yourself to be the guy that nobody can seem to get enough of.
The Book Of Pook by Pook: Free PDF. One of the most RedPill compilations you will see. Pook writes in a hilarious story telling style that conveys every TRP message clearly. Must read.
The Rational Male by Rollo Tomassi: An avid poster on this TRP subreddit, Tomassi compiled all of his knowledge into a book that every man should read. Endorsed time and time again in this subreddit. He draws tons of RP knowledge and lessons into this book. One of the books that most users begin their RP journey with.
Intermediate
The Charisma Myth by Olivia Cabane: Leading on from How To Win Friends & Influence People, this book also goes into the psychology behind charm. Cabane states that charm is a skillset that can be learned by anybody. No one is cut from a different cloth. Very interesting to be able to figure out why and how certain people can learn and tap into charm and become quite powerful and influential from it. You can learn to build your skillset of charm through this book.
Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe: The essential beginning training guide to lifting. Rippetoe guides you through the why's, how's, do's, and don'ts of his acclaimed workout routine. Many many men have used this as their introduction to lifting. You will learn how to properly squat, deadlift, benchpress, powerclean, and overhead press your way into the body of the real man you are destined to be. Read and lift heavy.
The Power Of Now by Eckhart Tolle: Learn to leave your ego behind and live in the present moment. Tolle teaches you why so many are caught up in their lives and ego that it negatively affects how they live. He presents why and how to live in a state of presence: living in the now, as he calls it. This book truly helps you understand some of the factors holding you back from becoming the best person you can be right now. A little bit of a religious side in there but you can power through it.
Millionaire Fastlane by MJ Demarco: No this isn't some get rich quick scheme or ideas on how to make quick money. Demarco presents the idea in his book that there are different ways of thinking about money amongst people. The "Slowlane" way of thinking which is plagued by the ones who work paycheck to paycheck to survive, and the "Fastlane" way of thinking that breaks away from the norm of the typical "Go to school, get a job, save your money, retire at 65." mindset. Very interesting read on how to achieve wealth through changing your way of thinking.
The 7 Habits of Highly Successful People by Stephen Covey: Learn about and pick up the habits that have made people successful. Covey pinpoints and gives clear examples of habits that a person inhibits that helps them achieve success in any goal they're setting. Incredibly useful for ones who seem to have no motivation or start out strong in a goal and soon sputter out.
Advanced
The Way of The Superior Man by David Deida: This book dives deep into man's deepest inhibitions and desires. Deida tells you how to take control of yourself as a man and learn to master work, women, and yourself. A lot of straight forward red pill advice on how to live your life as a fully satisfied man.
The Art of Seduction by Robert Greene: Models was the sneak preview of psychology of social dynamics between men and women. He lays everything out on the table with fantastic examples and stories. He helps you dive deep into your inner conscious and realize and recognize the behaviors that you exhibit and the ones you hope to obtain. The Art of Seduction will push you into the deep end of the pool. Greene dives straight into the psychology of sexuality, desire, and interaction between men and women and fully explains why a lot of RedPill concepts work as they should.
48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene: Be careful with this book. It will go deep into the many different dynamics of power and how it is obtained, used, and manipulated. This will teach you and make you aware of all the things going on around you and make you read between the lines of people. You will arm yourself with the knowledge to be able to read people who are trying to manipulate you or others, gain power, or cause cause. Or you can be the one doing those things with the techniques presented in the book.
Mastery
Mastery by Robert Greene: The book to help you tie all the concepts together. Like most of his works; a lot of examples and concepts on how to bring everything together in your life and master anything you set your mind out to. It will take everything you have learned and will learn and presents it in a bigger picture in helping you find your most ultimate purpose and mastering it.
That's all for now.
Note: Experience will always be king. Reading should always be used as a supplementary guide.
tldr: Don't be a lazy fuck, read.
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Check out, " The War of Art: Break Through the Blocks and Win Your Inner Creative Battles" by Steven Pressfield it is brilliant. It will have you breaking through resistance barriers of all forms.
RPL23 10y ago
I would add "Mindset" by Carol Dweck.
henry589 10y ago
Shit I started with the book, Mastery, It is a really good fucking book.
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boredinclass2 10y ago
Those who can do, those who cant teach.
bluemyselfearly19 10y ago
I disagree with Manson's models being for beginners. IMO, its for people that already have a black belt in inner game. Although its main point is that men should not be a afraid to take a loss, (being vulnerable to women) I do think that men have to build enough value (cultivate interesting hobbies) and inner game to fully pull it off. But that just me.
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boredinclass2 10y ago
this this this this. When I first read it there is a lot of ambiguity as his "game" which is very sincere and less abrasive. I wouldnt recommend it to newbies who want results... it will send someone into a whirlwind of confusion unless you read "dominating women" or "taos of badass" which i would definitely recommend reading first.
Ive read a lot of the books on that list, I would definitely go about it in that order. Models is great insight, but can be taken the wrong way.
8shark8 10y ago
Anyone know which of these have audio book versions? I commute about 2 hours every day so an audio book would be ideal.
boredinclass2 10y ago
rhymes with whorrents. a good site would be (f)iratebay.org. with a p instead of an f. thats how i got mine.
8shark8 10y ago
Haha, I know about how to get them. I just wanted to know if the audio book versions exist for any of these.
boredinclass2 10y ago
Yeah some of them do. Is say about a third of these do.
lloopy 10y ago
Saving from my phone.
BluepillProfessor 10y ago
Here are the books the Professor has read since taking TRP. Each of these is on my course syllabus for this topic arranged by category:
Pick Up Artistry
Book of Pook by Pook
Bang: The Pickup Bible by Roosh
The Best of Roosh Volume I By Roosh
Day Bang: How to pick up girls during the day By Roosh
The Gentlemen's Guide to picking up women by Ian Ironwood
The Ironwood Collection of Alpha moves by Ian Ironwood
Pickup lines don't work by Vince Valentino
The Natural by Richard Ruina
Self Help and Married Advice
Married Men's Sex Life Primer 2011 (MMSL) by Athol Kay
Managed Attraction Plan (MAP) by Athol Kay
How to answer do these pants make my ass look fat? By Athol Kay
No More Mr. Nice Guy by Robert Glover
The Way of the Superior Man by David Deida
The Art of Seduction by Robert Greene
The 48 Laws of power by Robert Greene
The Enlightened Sex Manual by David Deida
The Sex God Method by Daniel Rose
Mens Rights/Trouble with boys
The End of Men by Hanna Rosin
The Manipulated Man by Eshter Vilar
Enjoy the Decline by Arron Clarey
The Flipside of Feminism by Suzanne Venker
The Manosphere: A new hope for Masculinity by Ian Ironwood
Men on Strike by Helen Smith
The War Against Boys by Christina Summers
The War on Men by Suzanne Venker
The way of men by Jack Donovan
Women First, men last by Steven Adams
Why boys fail by Richard Whitmore
Finally: The Rational Male is in a category by itself- the intellectual tour-de-force of the entire manosphere and TRP theory.
And for the Babes:
Fascinating Womanhood
The Surrendered Wife
a_chill_bro 10y ago
I found 33 Strategies of War by Robert Greene really useful as well.
laere 10y ago
Currently reading "How to be an Alpha Male" By John Alexander, very similar to Book of Pook, but great read nonetheless.
DafyddBreen 10y ago
Sex God Method is one of my staples. If you're gonna be fucking, better be the best.
volvonerfwisp 10y ago
I just found out that 'How to Win Friends and Influence People' has been translated into Japanese. I think I'll read the translated version for practice as well as to train my mind. Thanks for the recommendation!
textualintercourse 10y ago
If you want a 'classic' education on RP theory, The Moon and Sixpence by W. Somerset Maugham.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moon_and_Sixpence
BluePill me of a 5 years ago would have said, "Fuck everything about that Charles Strickland guy!"
RedPill me of recent is like, "My God, this man is close to my Savior and King of MGTOW and owning his life."
This book hits on the human condition of superb form.
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Thurar 10y ago
I would add these to the list :
Here is an excerpt from Sex and Character :
From the Art of Love :
Alain Soral on feminism here
www777com 10y ago
What Men Still Don't Know About Women, Relationships, and Love by Dr. Herb Goldberg
In the first part of the book he's pretty brutal to men, but if you stick with it and read, you'll realize he's warning you of what you will become if you don't change. An example that I personally can relate to is going through life like you're some kind of insightful philosopher with the inevitable outcome being you're nothing but an alone, grumpy old man.
The other part of the book he talks about women. We all know men have an agenda...of sex, but what a lot of men fail to realize is women have an agenda of a relationship. He talks about how women will play the role of that special unicorn in order to get you in a relationship. It's only when you're locked in a relationship that you realize all the stuff you thought you had in common with her when you were first dating was really just her pretending to like the same things you like; she'll act any way she can to be in a relationship, just like a man will say anything to get laid.
He talks about the dangers of hippy, vegan chicks, really religious chicks, and women who are really attached to their family (think dating one of the Kardashians).
SkorchZang 10y ago
I quite like those vegan chicks (who even knows why, don't pretend I do), care to elaborate a little about their unique dangers?
www777com 10y ago
It's been awhile since I read it so I don't quite remember why. Also keep in mind the author is generalizing. From what I vaguely remember and my spin on what I may be inaccurately remembering, hippy/vegan and religious chicks are so focused on their life-style that it drowns out any real work they need to do to maintain their adult relationships and they use their life-style as a beating stick when the relationship doesn't go their way. It is the same thing with women who are too involved with their families; the reverse would be a woman seeing trouble dating a momma's boy. It's like the relationship is never just about you and your partner, there's always some third-party (person, religion, or ideology) that gets in the way. A mature adult keeps things in balance.
MachiavellianRed 10y ago
Stickied.
karneadou 10y ago
Good list
Rollo-Tomassi 10y ago
Really?
http://therationalmale.com/the-book/
AsianAway 10y ago
Added.
KingOfTheLops 10y ago
Is this beginner, intermediate, or advanced?
smokingtransistor 10y ago
This is the first book to read that i recommend to all friends that have problems with women. The rest come afterwards when the basics and theory is understood.
PS. Just wanted to use the opportunity to say thanks for saving my life. Would have been in a deeply depressive marriage with a borderline if it wasn't for your book.
shamanbard 10y ago
That was a glaring omission for sure.
speakeasy2d 10y ago
This book is so good. I know it's compiled blog posts, but the outlook it has given me on gender roles is really something I wish I would have known 10 years ago in high school. This should be required reading for every teenage boy.
egodidactus 10y ago
Great book. It really grounded my ideas on gender relations and relationship machinations.
Highly recommend it.
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Rollo-Tomassi 10y ago
Thanks, I hope you will pass it on to others.
AsianAway 10y ago
Rollo, I actually have a copy of your book in my Kindle library right now. I found the formatting of the book to be strange and somewhat difficult to read. I also figured that most will be able to head to your website and find the individual articles that are presented in the book itself.
Rollo-Tomassi 10y ago
I reissued a reformatted Kindle version in April. You can re-download the new one for free if you bought the old one.
fapordie_ 10y ago
I concur. Great book, but the formatting is just terrible—the physical copy is, at least. I haven't read the Kindle version.
11411181 10y ago
Apparently the Kindle version has been redone, iirc.
remember13 10y ago
Rollo, I agree with the formatting part, but the fact that the book has physical gives it approval by more conservative readers (those who think that blogs are just people expressing their own views, which is quite ironically, because most books do the thing). My dad, a natural alpha, read the book when I left it around the house. When I told him about this sub or about the Manosphere blogs, he refused to read them, saying that they are probably written by people with no life experience. After he read your book he agreed with it, but he disagreed with the fact that people disclose the red pill. He says that these are things that only men should know. He taught me a lot of redpill shit while growing up, but he also said at the end of each lesson "Son, this is just between you and me."
Labore_Et_Constantia 10y ago
While I'm sure your dad is a great man outside of this, his thoughts here are bullshit, what about people WITHOUT that very same role model he is? What about people with weak masculine role models?
They're SOL because they weren't fortunate enough to be born to the right people?
And where did HE learn to behave the way he does because I can guarantee you even if a lot of it does come naturally, he also had many teachers along the way.
MoneyStatusLooks 10y ago
It's actually a pretty good Machiavellian strategy. If you have an edge, especially if its something that can be learnt, you want it kept a secret as long as possible.
remember13 10y ago
Well, man, chill, please. He learned from his granddad, who from what I hear was kind of the Alpha Ideal of the Manosphere ( owner of a business, spinning plates well into old age, ex-soldier, very confident, leader of the community). My father is sort of an elitist, believing that the world is made of men and sub-men. He doesn't really care about other people, only the people that he considers friends and his family.
dongpal 10y ago
its like the women tell their daughters to keep the things secret as your dad did to you
shamanbard 10y ago
This is actually common in tribal cultures. When children are separated by sex to undergo their traditional rites of passage into adulthood (boy into man, or girl into woman), they are told stories and wisdom that are never to be uttered in the presence of the opposite sex.
The saying is "Men's wisdom isn't for women's ears, and women's wisdom isn't for men's ears".
dongpal 10y ago
And thanks to TRP we hear boths.
breakin_badass 10y ago
I would go a step further and say that we're only just beginning to learn the full extent of this often terrible "inherited wisdom" that young girls are poisoned with by their mothers. Yes there are the allegories and parables they're told to plant the subconscious seed of disdain for men, but there's evidence of even more sinister information being passed on.
If you read some of the literature on female shamanism you'll find some pretty shocking and despicable stuff. This tribal voodoo practice has basically been imported into the America via these new age cult leaders, kept mostly a secret from men, and is now being taught to many young daughters as fact. The implications are far-reaching; the practices that are being passed down now range from simple mind-control rituals to perform on men, to full-blown necromancy. Whether or not you think it's hokum, these rituals are being practiced by many seemingly ordinary women every day, and the fact that this stuff is being taught to our children is just horrifying. I would definitely recommend the previously linked book if you want an enlightening peek into the twisted world of this esoteric new-age "femynysm".
johnnight 10y ago
Yes, it's the one missing from this list.
Tolle should not be on the list. I read it. It's new age bullshit, harmful and antithetical to the red pill ideas.
WarpWhistlee 10y ago
How so?
johnnight 10y ago
My first argument is that I read it several years ago, before I knew the red pill. As I can judge it now, it has done nothing to push me closer into red pill territory.
Second, here is a summary of four key themes in Tolle's book:
Tolle is about spirituality, while the red pill is materialism/biologism/hedonism. Tolle could not be more antithetical to the red pill!
Tolle tells that sex and status is an illusion. Tolle is asexual. Red pill tells you that your biological nature makes you crave sex and there is nothing wrong about wanting to fuck women. In fact, you have to work and improve yourself to acquire a better body and social status, so that they come to fuck you.
Tolle tells you to be that consciousness that enjoys being alone. Red pill tells you how to gain women and how to enjoy women. I wonder if Tolle ever got laid. He sure does not even lift.
Tolle sold a lot of books. He must be rich by now and acquired "spiritual teacher" status. Maybe that gets him laid now and he does not know it. Maybe that is the ticket: selling millions of books to suckers about how not to try to make money, not make a career, not get women and getting it all in the process.
Now, here is the only thing that might overlap with the red pill here. Tolle's "being in the moment" CAN look on the outside like Amused Mastery or the Alpha Budda. RSD/Tyler has advocated it back in 2007. You could say that "being in the moment" is being ... aloof and confident, but you do not need 200 pages for that.
scarfox1 10y ago
Tolle has been with a woman named Kim Eng for some time I believe. You can be your true self and still play with concepts like TRP.
WarpWhistlee 10y ago
I actually discovered spirituality and the red pill nearly simultaneously. I think you've read maybe a little too much (or maybe I haven't extrapolated enough from what I've read) into some of his points. I'll take your paragraphs one at a time:
1) I think that the Red Pill has a strong element of discarding illusion in favor of the truth of the situation.
2) I don't think that Tolle is saying that sex and status are an illusion any more than anything else is (including the sense of pride ascetics can cultivate as a result of their difficult undertakings). I don't think Tolle or other mystical traditions preach the elimination of desire. I think that a better reading is that they (Tolle, Buddha or whoever) are encouraging us to move beyond our attachment to desire. To learn to be happy whether or not we get laid. I think that this ties in nicely to the whole idea that you need to be happy and thriving on your own before relationships with women will enhance your life at all.
3) In my opinion learning to identify more and more with the consciousness you speak of will not cause you to withdraw and enjoy increasing levels of solitude. If anything, it will get you in touch with the commonalities that we as human beings share. This consciousness is complete at all times past, present and future. Identifying with this will help you to realize that fucking 50 women will not add anything of real substance to yourself, your life or your ultimate happiness. This isn't to say that enjoying sex is wrong, more to say that if you don't love life before becoming successful in your pursuits with women, you certainly won't afterwards. Also, I don't think whether or not one gets laid regularly is the only or even primary standard to hold someone up to if you're going to be listening to their council.
3) I think you're close to something here. When you let go of needing to have that wealth, career and women I think that these things find their way to you much easier. The quasi-aloof attitude women (and, incidentally people you're trying to sell stuff to) seem to respond so well to becomes a natural extension of your inner state. If sexual desire arises internally, it is expressed externally without attachment to whether or not the desire is reciprocated. I don't think that Mr. Tolle or other spiritual teachers I have read advocate not doing anything or pursuing anything or having any goals. It's more about your relationship to those goals and those objects of desire.
I'd be interested to hear your reply. I don't really adhere to any ideology whether it be Buddhism, the power of now, the red pill, democracy or whatever. I just love exposing myself to different ways of coming at reality and using my own mind/heart/judgement to take what I like and leave the rest. Cheers.
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Sad. Red pill is about individualism and healthy, well-informed self-interest in men with respect to women. It's not about vanity, instincts, or pleasure-worship.
I don't like Tolle because he's such a softy. I prefer more conservative, rugged teachers like Thanissaro Bhikkhu or the Buddha himself, but if you extract the finest and most pure lessons from TRP, you basically arrive at a disciplined spiritual practice almost identical to Buddhism (of which Tolle is a loose representative).
WarpWhistlee 10y ago
I'll have to check out Thanissaro Bhikku. Any recommendations? I kind of agree with you about Tolle being a bit of a softy, but I also think he's a pretty wise human.
scarfox1 10y ago
Tolle is or was a stepping stone for many people getting into deeper spirituality, he serves his function. To have him as your ultimate teacher? then yeah, you've probably fell into the category of fairweather Oprah fan
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I don't think Tolle is a great teacher. His audience seems to consist of the Oprah-type crowd, people who want to dabble, read a book, extract a small benefit, and move on with their lives, rather than people who are seriously committed to following the rabbit hole of truth wherever it leads and will exhaust their lives in that pursuit.
Check out the link I provided for Thanissaro Bhikku's dharma talks and start listening.
WarpWhistlee 10y ago
I will. Thanks for the input.
sixtysecondmonk 10y ago
Has anyone here read "The Manual: What Women Want and How to Give It to Them"?
I just finished reading it and the whole time I was reading it I kept thinking that it was "TRP Light".
I highly recommend it for newbies.
Sarcasticus 10y ago
I don't see it listed, so I'll recommend Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill. Anyone who's focusing on self-improvement and goals should read this book.
Johnny10toes 10y ago
I've read a few of these. Looks like I need to get to work.
swallowthisthrowaway 10y ago
Thank you so much for this.
EDIT: I began reading the Manipulated Man. This book is paramount in understanding gender roles, and I personally feel that it explains amazingly why so many men feel dissasisfied with their lives and careers.
Here it is: http://dontmarry.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/the_manipulated_man.pdf
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KyfhoMyoba 10y ago
I haven't seen 'Sperm Wars', by Robin Baker mentioned. This is one of the very best evolutionary psychology books for the layman. Combine this with 'My Secret Garden' and you've got a good handle on the female psyche.
BroseppeVerdi 10y ago
I feel like Warren Farrell's "The Myth of Male Power" is in that same vein, too. It's been out of print for quite some time now, but I think there's ebooks floating around.
KyfhoMyoba 10y ago
While I agree with Farrell, since I've ingested TRP, I find MRAs to be a bit on the butthurt side. Farrell is a MRA, and adds little to TRP philosophy and tactics.
CreepAcceptance 10y ago
Also: /r/redpillbooks
Gstreetshit 10y ago
I want to throw in a book called; High Heels and Dirty Deals by Bret Tate. It's just a compilation of Red Pill behavior and hilarious at times.
The second half of the book is where this really helps one out. It's explains an asset protection plan for saving yourself from the gold digging nature in women.
http://www.amazon.com/High-Heels-Dirty-Deals-binge-drinking/dp/0975264044
Also: Sperm Wars by Robin Baker. Read it.
nekrawulf 10y ago
Good list
norwegian_92 10y ago
Becoming a Supple Leopard is also amazing, I got it a week ago, HIGHLY recommended.
Got my package from amazon with these books;
Read Models and the Book of Pook.
I began with The Way of Men, half way through, any particular order I should read these? from beginner to advanced?
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Crazystarf 10y ago
This is actually a well compiled list of books from beginner to advanced; hopefully a mod can sticky this thread before it gets lost a few days later.
+1
bobbyontario 10y ago
I have to recommend Seven Habits and The Power of Now. I read them sequentially that was the most influential month of my life, as far as awakening and connecting the dots of many other works. The progression of Dependence -> Independence -> Interdependence from the former and Presence from the latter come up everywhere. After those many other works seem like domain-specific applications of the wisdom contained there. OP is right on with their summaries of the handful that I've read, and now I have a handful more to read; thanks, OP!
I'm currently reading "The Way of Men" by Jack Donovan and recommend it so-far, it's up the alley of "The Way of the Superior Man" and "No More Mr. Nice Guy". I'm also re-reading "What Every Body is Saying," another very powerful work that I'd add.
Personally this stuff has really awakened my spirituality. I've been inclined toward Zen/eastern spirituality for a few years, but a lot of the principles in these works have really made what felt abstract in those works very clear... contemporary transcriptions of many of those ideas. For me as a somewhat rebellious / anxious / restless youth I connected with "Hardcore Zen" by Brad Warner, and another is "The Tao of Pooh" by Benjamin Hoff (a number of cute girls I've met have also read and enjoyed the latter, so good conversation piece on the coffee table also).
Thanks again.
apollyon_jd 10y ago
Huge fan of the power of now, that's a must read once a year for me and I suggest for anyone who understands or wants to understand the importance of enlightenment and living in the moment.
Contrary to reviews I didn't get any true religious undertones even with the God points, but maybe that's because I'm not religious, just spiritual.
Epicureanist 10y ago
There's some extra fluff in this list. Keep reading* to a minimal, go outside and live life. Make mistakes and learn from those. You can't read approach anxiety away.
For relationships/social dynamics: Book of Pook, How to Win Friends and Influence People, Rational Male And that's about it.
There's no need to read starting strength. Form videos can be found online. The routine is online. Strength training philosophy is rather simple: lift heavy, eat food, and continuously add weight.
*) = predicting responses detailing the horrors of not reading, let me specify. I mean reading as a means of taking the redpill/improving ones social skills and game.
redbluepilling 10y ago
Had I not actually read SS, I wouldn't be as dedicated as I am. There's more to it than mimicking form in a video and hoping for the best. If you're serious about lifting, but lacking confidence, knowledge is power. As with TRP, it breaks down the details and gives in depth answers to Why?. Like the rest of the books, taking the time to read and immerse yourself in a subject helps mold your understanding, something that a cursory viewing tends not to do.
And like you say, practice. This applies to SS as well, perhaps in an even more tangible way. I just went back and read parts of SS last night and am making a few adjustments based upon what I've observed while in the gym.
Epicureanist 10y ago
To each their own. Personally I see no need for Starting Strength. I did some research found videos of high bar squat form online, worked on my ankle and hip mobility, and was squatting well in 2 weeks. Dave Tate helped me out with my bench press form. And powercleans came easy for me.
Once you push form aside, SS is mostly Rippetoe's philosophy of weightlifting. There's nothing wrong with this, but problems arise when people new to weightlifting read this book, take it as objective truth (rather than opinions formed from years of weightlifting), and start to regurgitate Rippetoes philosophy.
Examples of this are:
strength base myth (you wanna focus solely on aesthetics? don't. get strong first. when you can bench two plates you'll good). If you do a split, focus on bodyparts, etc. You're wasting your time.
The only good thing I took from SS was the progressive overload principle; and I didn't need a 300 page book for that. What do I recommend?
The Starting Strength circlejerk is really annoying and polarizing. Most newbies just read it, absorb, and start to regurgitate Ripp's views rather than forming their own.
What do health/fitness books should people consider reading?
For most people's goals nutrition > lifting. In my case changing my nutrition and find what works for me (high protein, carb cycling) has led to consistent gains while I'm cutting. Abs are coming out, more vascular, etc.
Bodyweight: 142 lbs @14%, losing 1lb/week
maxs from january: when I was around 155lbs
Bench: 150x1
Squat: 225x1
DL: 315x1
lifts this week's sessions: Bench: 145x6, Squat: 195x5, Deadlift: 285x4
Z-Coordinate 10y ago
Haha you listed the Starting Strength book, I like you.
ER_HerbalTea 10y ago
That feeling when you've read these books already. All of them great reads.
CSMastermind 10y ago
Always found the Robert Greene books to be fluff.
okletstryanother 10y ago
Care to elaborate?
CSMastermind 10y ago
I have two main complaints:
Faptilldeath 10y ago
I agree with this right here
okletstryanother 10y ago
Thanks bro.. I need to get my critical thinking and analysis game on track.
mister_scruff 10y ago
I'd throw in "Richest Man in Babylon," as a great book for improving your finances.
Swiss_Cheese9797 10y ago
You a former IBO?
charlesbukowksi 10y ago
Or read a book on finance that does not involve goats
charlesbukowksi 10y ago
I like your taste in books.
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emptyform 10y ago
I would put "Way of the Superior Man" as a beginner book, but only because it was a very soft landing into the RP world for me--it was the first book I read as a recovering beta 4 years ago, and it takes a very love-positive approach.
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That book introduced me to male sexuality.
fapordie_ 10y ago
As a complement to Dale Carnegie's How To Win Friends & Influence People, I recommend reading Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion.
willtopower2014 10y ago
Does either the Book of Pook guy or Mark Manson have any infield videos?
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Have read most of these books, I agree they have quality content. Would add the way of the superior man and mind made prison.
I will add that audio books are a great tool. Whenever I have a monotonous task in work, I'm driving out waiting I'll listen to a book. Can do 1 extra book a week this way.
nekrawulf 10y ago
Good list
hurricanepolio 10y ago
Time to dive in
gerwig 10y ago
When I Say No I Feel Guilty is a great read that teaches you how to be assertive.
Red_Pill_302 10y ago
Gold post
batheinblood 10y ago
You forgot American Psycho
dreckmal 10y ago
I really found The Manipulated Man to be a fascinating read. It has also profoundly affected the way in which I view women.
badluser 10y ago
Is that link an original digital version or a text version scanned with OCR? All of the "be"'s are "he"'s and lots of missing punctuation. Hard to believe a book over 20 years old would still have this many typos.
dreckmal 10y ago
I believe it was made with scanning software that was writing it to text, hence all the typos. It was a struggle to get past those, but once I started to get the information, I didn't give a shit about a couple misplaced or misspelled words.
infernalsatan 10y ago
Thanks for the list. OP would you mind adding the books recommended in the comments to the bottom of your list too?
RedPillJohnny 10y ago
Ordered No More Mr. Nice Guy and Rollo Tomasi's Rational Male today. Already started reading Greene's 48 laws. This sub rocks!
rife_omeqa 10y ago
I'd recommend adding Meditations by Marcus Aurelius and Niccolo Machiavelli's The Prince to that list.
Good list, regardless.
Kunichi 10y ago
If you read it all, then you are basically the super man lol
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Might I also add... The Art of War
tempus_wor 10y ago
Personally, I believe that Mastery should be near the beginner level, not because it a beginner level book, but because it teaches the reader to realize that you need to be in it for the long haul, it takes 5 years to become a master, discusses the need to have a mentor, and other valuable lessons that help the new redpiller needs to realize that they need to work toward the Mastery level. It is not for those who have worked their way through the other materials. It is for the motivation to work, and keep on track.
scallopkid 10y ago
You could read it twice. Once at the beginning to understand where you're going and once at the end to get the most out of it.
Browsezereddit 10y ago
Thanks a lot for this great list. Some of the books are already in r/redpillbooks, but the comments you wrote on each of them are very valuable. The only one I have troubles with is "the way of the superior man", which i found too full of new age gibberish to be readable. Also, why did you put "the 48 laws of power" in the advanced section? Just curious to read your reasons, as I was planning to read it and don't consider myself advanced at all right now. Upvoted!
AsianAway 10y ago
"48 Laws" is really focused on manipulation and power control. Not an easy read for most who have certain morals or religious ideals. I placed it in that section because I want the beginners to have a good introduction and base into TRP through core concepts whilst more intermediate TRP-ers who have already swallowed the pill will find the book helpful in instilling this set of behaviors (if they wish; "dark triad traits"). It's there at least for most to be able to identify people's hidden agendas and to not let one's self fall victim.
magicalbird 10y ago
It should be in beginning section to prevent men from dark triad women and other men.
It's a great counter strategy book if you have morals.
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Forsake your moral and religious convictions if you want to use 48Laws to your advantage .
SkorchZang 10y ago
It would be rash to disregard the possible metaphysical advantages of certain moral and religious convictions, beyond gaining fleeting selfish advantages in day to day life.
Just an example, Christian martyrs were ready and willing to die torturously, rather than forsake some of those things. Think about that; it's evidence of a completely different inner order of rank between ideas like "efficiency", "self", "benefit", and "truth".
What do you think this man would be ready to die for? Atheism for today's youth is as inescapable as pacifism, it is not a choice, one simply does not have the balls to be uncompromisingly religious and warlike.
maderail 10y ago
Most will probably overlook The Millionaire Fastlane, but it's one of the very most important books mentioned. It's not perfect, but it was perhaps the most transformative book I've ever read; a status to which only How to Win Friends and Influence People aspires. And I've read most of the books on this list.
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Am I the only one who didn't like How to Win Friends & Influence People? I'm naturally inclined towards pleasing people and making them feel good (similarly to what the book advocates), and it was only after I started to be more direct and blunt when I had to that people started to respect me more.
mastapetz 10y ago
Starting Strength, the book, is quite annoying to read. Google it, find the beginners guide FAQ, read that. While there are some good tips on improving form, a lot of it is filled with so many physics and mathematics that your head might start to mushy from all that stuff.
And if you read it, don't follow his nutrition blabberings, it isn't a lot, but that what is in it is cringe worthy.
You might also look into YOYAG if you don't want to go to the gym or for whatever reason don't want to do barbell stuff. Working out with your body weight is an awesome start to get fitter. And no, it is not to easy, try some of those exercises and enjoy the DOMS afterwards.
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Phaint 10y ago
Agreed. I had overlooked it from my Robert Greene collection but recently started it and it definitely holds weight to his other work.
Also consider his understudy Ryan Holiday's The Obstacle Is The Way.
physicalchemistry 10y ago
Beside those:
Nietzsche, Therefore spoke zarathustra / Götzendämmerung (doesn't loose to much in the translation)
Goethe (preferably in german): Faust I; basicly everything is readable, but that one's my favorite.
if you want to learn german, other books that are way better in german: Pretty much anything from Gottfried Lessing, all the stuff from Nietzsche, Grimms Märchen. Goethe.
Schopenhauer.
Candide by voltaire.
animal farm / 1984 by Orwell.
Brave new world by Huxley.
Read 1-2 of Shakespears plays. don't rely on summeries / interpretations, it ain't that hard.
A guide on how to cook won't hurt you.
additionally to english you should learn at least one foreign language.
Experience might make you king, but when used with knowledge the world is yours.
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physicalchemistry 10y ago
it doesn't relate directly. If you keep in mind how he traveled around the world, came back to europe with insane amounts of gems / gold and proceeded to marry an old, ugly former sex slave. All because of 'love'. Therefore i will tread it as an example of what not to do.
ziggitypumziggitypim 10y ago
This is exactly what I was looking for today. I literally got to /r/theredpill for this purpose and there you were. Thanks a lot bro!
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This should be a sticky for us newbies.
lentil_king 10y ago
In case you don't like to read or can't find the time, I just went through Audible and all of the books mentioned by OP are on there except Starting Strength, Millionaire Fast Lane, and Book of Pook.
For $150, you can get all of those books (minus the exceptions), plus three credits left over. Sign up for a free trial for two credits, cancel immediately, buy 12 credits for $150.
I'm an audiobook junkie (I listen in transit and while working out) and if you go by the method I stated above, the cost won't be much different than Kindle or print. Plus you get the emotion of the narrator, which I find helps to absorb info (good for the auditory among us).
Good luck on the journey, gents.
Phaint 10y ago
33 Strategies of War by Robert Greene albeit not a core red pill book, is definitely related and I would recommend it as well.
Also 50th Law and The Obstacle Is The Way as mentioned in a different comment.
skinisblackmetallic 10y ago
There is a forum inspired by No More Mr. Nice Guy. I have found it helpful and enjoyable:
http://www.nomoremrniceguy.com/forums/index.php
megatron37 10y ago
Thanks for this. I've read Nice Guy and Models, and both of them have had really positive effects on my life.
I was actually wondering this morning where to go next.
Saved for future reference, great list.
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I had read a lot about being a man, but this book went above and beyond for me. I have the audiobook version and have listened to it twice already. It is true that we've been trained to please women, and not in the fun way.
hungoverseal 10y ago
Haha that was a much better list than I was expecting.
Power of Now, Starting Strength, No more Mr.Nice Guy, Way of the Superior Man and definitely Fastlane Millionaire are all awesome. Not read most of the others but strangely for some reason I didn't find How to Win Friends and Influence People as good as everyone else raves about
JihadDerp 10y ago
Meditations by Marcus aurellius should be on this list. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it in the comments yet.
rogueman999 10y ago
Honestly, I think Senecca is a better pick. Marcus Aurelius is just too damn dark sometimes. But I'd still recommend everyone to read at least the first 2 books.
HighGoGetter 10y ago
A lot of these books have been mentioned before. But 7 habits of highly effective people has really helped me gain focus in my life. Machievelli's the prince is free. Its an ancient guide on gaining and maintaing power. Short but good read. Free online
magicalbird 10y ago
48 laws of power should be a beginning read to guard against dark triad people.
DeltaCypher0 10y ago
I'm reading The Prince right now, and I'm pretty disappointed. So much common sense, and a lot if it is history of nobility.
I would add Self-Reliance by Ralph Waldo Emerson to the essentials.
ColdEiric 10y ago
Common sense is not common.
ace32229 10y ago
You gotta realise that when reading books like The Prince or The Art of War, that they sound like common sense to us but when they were first written they weren't.
DeltaCypher0 10y ago
I can recognize that. But, I'm making my way towards the end of The Prince, and it is getting much more applicable to daily circumstance.
boomhouser 10y ago
Great list. Wouldn't hurt to add the Book of Pook either.
Alpha2013 10y ago
Huge oversight not to include Rational Male on this list. You'd be a fool not to read it.
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remember13 10y ago
Eckhart Tolle is a piece of shit who writes for stupid Americans. Read Nietzsche, Schopenhauer for philosophy.
hungoverseal 10y ago
British and well educated. Tolle's stuff is dope. You just have to read between the lines to get away from the new-agey tone
remember13 10y ago
The fact that is British doesn't say much to me and there are a lot of fools with a degree. Calling and a philosopher's work "dope" tells me that you are quite ignorant regarding philosophy. Also, I, from my most humble experience with philosophy, thought that that exactly was the point of philosophy- NOT TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES. Having a new-agey tone is not the problem with Tolle.
Tolle is just a sub-par writer who has a wide un-educated audience. For me who has a boy read Plato, Nietzsche, Unamuno, Cioran, telling me to read Tolle is a joke.
hungoverseal 10y ago
It doesn't mean anything to me either, it was just a response to your nationality issues.
Out of interest then seeing as you have read so much, what is the issue with Tolle? To me his lessons regarding Ego are some of the single most important things a man looking to improve himself can learn.
remember13 10y ago
Tolle is German. I have nothing against any nationality, just stating the fact that the American cultural elite is quite ignorant of many European treasurers of the mind.
charlesbukowksi 10y ago
Especially Schopenhauer and his Counsels and Maxims. He's easier to digest than non-aphorism Nietzsche.
Phaint 10y ago
Having read the Power of Now I completely agree with you but that book did open my eyes to philosophy, zen and eventually stoicism. It is a decent beginner book.
LastRevision 10y ago
Right, I mean, if you aren't going to bother reading difficult works that most people may find intimidating and esoteric, why bother at all?
Kind of like how if you aren't an elite athlete or at the gym seven days a week, better get on the couch and start sucking down Big Macs.
STFU. Save your jerking off for r/atheism.
remember13 10y ago
Proper philosophy is esoteric for people who do not open the fucking books. I know people who haven't finished high school but still read and understood Nietzsche. Tolle is intellectual porn, not really challenging or original, but makes the reader feel enlightened or smart.
LastRevision 10y ago
Thematically, let's reduce Tolle to present moment awareness and the abandonment of the ego/ego based identity. Read TRP enough and see how many people would find this idea new and foreign; better yet, take a look at r/atheism. Both subs are supposedly intellectually advanced, but could use a solid dose of ego extinction.
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remember13 10y ago
He is a bad writer, absolutely no style and no original idea. I would replace it with 365 Daily Tao Meditations By Deng Ming Dao. Full of RP wisdom.
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remember13 10y ago
A degree from Cambridge doesn't necessarily mean that his style is good. Is not about breaking the norms, but how clear he expresses his ideas. He is not coherent, not because of the hardships of his style, but because some of his ideas aren't clear to him. You should read what Tolle read, not read Tolle IMO