For going on nearly a decade now the prime time Monday airwaves in North America have been dominated by a single sitcom: How I Met Your Mother. While this is merely a fictional example of reality let us take a look at it from the perspective of what really would happen to the main characters, which should demonstrate that this television show is the ultimate Blue Pill fantasy.
Spoiler Warning
For those unfamiliar with the show, How I Met Your Mother (ironically narrated by Bob Saget) is the story of Ted Mosby, a New York-based architect whose life for ten years consisted of an uncannily connected series of events that led him to the fated meeting of the Manic Pixie Dream Girl that would become his wife. The supporting cast (which greatly overshadows the main character) consists of his PUA yuppie best friend Barney Stinson, enviro-activist lawyer friend (and big ol' softie) Marshall Eriksen, former girlfriend and one-itis Robin Scherbatskey, and team mom, manipulator, and sexually repressed Lily Aldrin. The show compares and contrasts the relationship ideals of these disparate characters with the overall goal of showing that, "it will all work out in the end if you just be yourself and bide your time." The show's primary message itself is, "there is someone perfect for you out there and the Universe will bring them to you."
The first example of this is the relationship of Lily and Marshall. Early on they are presented as a quirky kind of "perfect couple" which is Ted's reason to hope that there is someone special out there. The main problem with this is that this doesn't fit Lily's personality at all. Lily is initially flighty and an artsy type. She has no major skills to bring to the table (she eventually becomes a teacher and later an art consultant) but she latches onto the semi-masculine Marshall who is a good long-term investment. Marshall is a lawyer with the ability to be a big breadwinner and of course Lily would want to stick to that. She also has major shopping problems which Marshall eventually pays for. And, before they get married Lily panics and goes to San Francisco to "find herself." Barney eventually brings her back, but lord knows she was also riding that carousel as hard as possible in the months that she was away. A realistic portrayal of the character would probably depict her cheating on Marshall at some point in the relationship. This would have happened either during university or later in the show when Marshall gets treated like shit at his job at Goliath National Bank.
The second example that this is some kind of fantasy is in the characters of Barney and Robin and their eventual relationship. Barney's character was once a mega-weak new age guy. He was dating a beautiful girl with all the trappings of a 'loving relationship.' The problem was that she was getting rammed on the side by a typical banker archetype who was far more masculine than Barney. Never wanting that to happen to him again, Barney became the very thing necessary to get as many girls as he could: the guy who stole his girlfriend. This is of course portrayed as emotionally unhealthy and 'disgusting.' He is also given the Freudian excuse of having a slut mother and non-present father. Robin is similarly emotionally damaged from having daddy issues. She is initially portrayed as fairly normal when Ted first dates her, but she is highly ambitious which leads their relationship to ruin because they want different things. What Robin wants is to ride the cock carousel, and ride it she does. The carousel eventually leads her to Barney. They fall in love and what not, but Barney's reversion to boyfriend-mode and Robin's disgust at that fact results in both of them hating themselves and each other. That is actually pretty accurate. They break up and Robin rides the carousel a little more, but Barney goes through some elaborate super-planned proposal scheme. It's obviously a fantasy at this point: girl acts like a slut through her 20s and eventually lands the rich PUA who reforms to be with her.
And then there's the grossest fantasy character of them all: Ted. Ted is convinced that there is someone special for him out there. The problem is that every girl who becomes his girlfriend eventually turns out to be "just another girl." First he lands on Robin, but Robin friendzones him. Then he lands on Victoria, but Victoria moves away and they start a LDR. This, predictably, ends in disaster. Victoria cheats on Ted and Ted cheats on Victoria because Robin sees that because Ted is actually desirable to someone else she wants a piece of the action. Ted then transitions to Stella who has a kid. This is probably his worst moment - he is totally fine with raising the kid of another guy (who is undoubtedly cool and knows karate) because the other guy is a "deadbeat." Stella of course can't resist her baby daddy's penis power however and destroys Ted once again by leaving him at the altar; you think he would have learned by now. Ted rebounds by banging Robin a little more. She thinks it's just Ted getting is rocks off but Ted's one-itis can't resist him pining for a relationship. Ted then finally has a moment of masculinity when he starts banging the wife of a rich art connoisseur called "The Captian." Such a man would probably have 2-3 women on the side, but this is ignored. Ted of course gains romantic feelings which are again not reciprocated.
I could go on, but there is little to even talk about in the last 2 seasons. All events eventually lead to Barney and Robin getting married, which Ted is upset with because he is so painfully attached to the idea of Robin that he can't let her go. Then in a moment of "luck" and "fate" Ted meets his wife playing in the band at the wedding reception. Of course the wedding weekend takes an entire fucking season because reasons. The lesson to be learned from this show is that it is a fantasy for men who think they'll find some perfect woman for them. You're better off being a Barney, banging as many women as you can and feeling no remorse for such a lifestyle (unlike Barney). Robin and Lily would be riding as many dicks as possible before settling down, but only the latter is really depicted. Marshall is clearly the provider husband whose wife would like nothing more than to go astray from him. You should also take a hint when women keep leaving you for cooler, more masculine men and stop pining for that one girl that you think you're supposed to be with. She's probably fucking your "best friend" right now.
I hope you enjoyed that. Never believe what you watch on television; in fact don't watch it at all. Look for more fun essays like this in the future.
laere 11y ago
I watched the show from the first to last episode and holy fucking shit all I have to say is...
Alas, I truly see
[deleted] 11y ago
I hate Ted Moseby with such a passion.
Mostly because I used to be him.
dsade 11y ago
No-can-do's-ville, baby doll
Clauderoughly 11y ago
Fuck.. if I nailed half as many hot chicks as Ted has, I'd be happy.
cormega 11y ago
Yeah, one thing this analysis seems to ignore is that during the 8 years of the show where Ted was "looking for the right girl", he's plowing beautiful women left and right. He even has an MFF threesome at one point. He also gets criticized by his friends at one point in the show for only claiming that he wants an LTR when his actions clearly demonstrate that he just wants to bang chicks. People forget about this because it's overshadowed by the fact that Barney has had sex with almost 300 women before the 7th season (He keeps count).
One final thing that I think is interesting, is that "the mother" is an extremely "virginal" character, expecially compared to Ted. She was pining over a previous deceased boyfriend the entire time Ted was fucking a ton of women. She only had one boyfriend since, and she never really loved him. She is finally able to move on and be happy and then she meets Ted.
TL;DR: Ted fucks countless beautiful women throughout the course of the show, then ends up with a pretty virginal woman, the mother, that he settles down with. How is that not Red Pill?
nicethingyoucanthave 11y ago
That is the blue-pill fantasy.
Dantes_Purgatory 11y ago
Only in Liberal sitcoms, does the Liberal get laid with multiple hot chicks.
Be a good little Liberal. Embrace Feminism. Have a bleeding heart. On TV, you'll get laid. If your Real World Results vary, that's because you secretly hate women in your heart.
"Doctrine of Prosperity" - it's your fault that you suck. Keep repeating the same old behaviour, but change your heart (not your beliefs). And keep giving us dollars.
FloranHunter 11y ago
It would be red pill if the reality of sexual politics were as the show presents it since red pill is whatever is true. But it's just another lie.
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cormega 11y ago
His personality comes off that way sure, but isn't it the results that matter, given that they speak for themselves? He has some pretty impressive numbers. I think the "whiny, nice guy" routine is just the surface of his personality. He knows how to pick up women.
Haraklus 11y ago
Barney did rub off on him.
[deleted] 11y ago
The story is told from his point of wiev, ever heard a guy tell a story how he banged ugly as shit chicks ?
He also gets fucked over by pretty much every girl he is with before that. Not exactly a winner.
He wines and bitches through-out the whole series and gets the girl with luck.
cormega 11y ago
Well, yeah. It's also a fictional show, so if we are going to use the 'unreliable narrator' excuse, then there's really no point in discussing the show in this context at all. All we have to go on is what we see, and it's not like the show doesn't cover embarrassing things about himself too.
He gets left at the altar, yeah that's pretty pathetic. But what other relationships? He dates a girl from his past, Natalie, who he previously dumped on her birthday. When he dated her again and realized he didn't give a shit about her, he dumped her on her birthday again. He cheated on Victoria. He last minute betrayed Zoey so he could accomplish his dream of building a skyscraper in new york city (which he succeeded on). The babe Jeanette that he dated turned out to be a total psychotic bitch who trashed his apartment, but he never cared about her that much. Who am I forgetting? I think it's disingenuous to say he was screwed over by every women he was with.
Yes I agree with that. His personality is annoying as shit, but again I have to go back to the fact that the numbers are what matter. If I were to guess I'd say he's much more successful with fucking women than most of us on this sub, so who are we, as men, to judge his personality for being annoying, especially since he has success.
Again, none of this really matter since this is a fictional TV show, but OP brought up the discussion.
fall0ut 11y ago
you're spot on. reddit five!
Satchmo84 11y ago
Meh. It's a network sitcom. But thank you for re-affirming my zero interest in watching anymore of that tripe than the bits and pieces I've seen other people watch when I come to visit.
charlesbukowksi 11y ago
god that show is horrible. not even NPH can carry it anymore
TheCasualHistorian 11y ago
It's biggest problem is that all the characters, which used to have some depth, have become caricatures. Ted was once just an every man, now he's hopeless romantic idiot. Robin is a funny slut. Barney has actually gained depth over being a PUA but now he's this emotionally deprived eccentric. Marshall is now just a big ol' softie idiot instead of Ted's true bro on many levels. Lily has become the absolute fucking worst character when she was originally awesome (and hot). Watching the show you can see Alyson Hannigan smash into the wall.
[deleted] 11y ago
1) She was never very good looking, but to each his own.
2) She's 39 now. The wall hit her long before the show.
charlesbukowksi 11y ago
I agree. I don't blame them though. How do you not make a sitcom horrible after 200+ episodes.
You hit the nail on the head actually, NPH's character was the show's only redeeming quality and they managed to sully that too.
TheCasualHistorian 11y ago
This is why I think television shows should be a maximum of 6 seasons long. It's enough for syndication without running into ending fatigue. Dramas should be 50 episodes tops. Tell a highly interesting, cohesive story in 2 seasons and then come to a proper ending. Then let us all move on with our lives.
PlanB_pedofile 11y ago
It's settling. Ted settles for this ideal woman because he knows he is hitting a wall, his friends are having babies and families plus the man whom he thought would be single and trying to run game well into his 70s is too decided to settle.
The ideal woman that Ted has gained is basically through weeding out traits he doesn't want till he played the numbers game long and frequent enough that finally this random girl has enough qualities to keep him in it for the long haul.
While still fantasy sitcom, I do admire the scenario where you can click with a chick on so many levels that she stops riding the carousel and too settles.
Ted is just a man hitting a wall. Eventually reality catches up where the only way of obtaining a boner is through pills and injections and being that old pervert trying to game women 15 years younger isn't as effective.
What's reality is Lilly and Marshal relationship. People are most likely to marry someone whom they went to high school, college, or work with. Anyone outside that realm is usually looking to settle before the wall comes calling.
infernalsatan 11y ago
Ted represents a more traditional view on marriage with the perfect one.
Fitch0y 11y ago
Long Distance Relationship not long term, he always has LTRs and some ONSs
TheCasualHistorian 11y ago
Corrected, thanks.
phasetwenty 11y ago
Barney is the show's winner at everything, even though they spend most of the time ripping on him for it. He has a full life, wealth, success, endless female attention and friends. When it suited him, he decided to marry.
Meanwhile Ted is blind to these facts, actually believing himself to have the more meaningful life. And from episode 1 he's been trying to get married, shooting himself in the foot as often as possible.
The worst part is that by the end they're going to portray the end result as worth it, when clearly Ted and Barney are destined to finish with the same result. But Ted had to suffer through 10 (or however many seasons it will end on) years of miserable dating to get there.
TheInkerman 11y ago
Yeah, to say it's a beta fantasy (ie; you can be a Ted Mosby and still get girls AND a unicorn) is an understatement, however, if you watch the show aware of this, you can see how the gears go round in the storyline and why things happen a certain way, it has to stay beta (because that's what society wants), but it sometimes skirts around Alpha (particularly with Barney).
Most recently, I thought the show had thoroughly jumped track with the episode where Marshall lays it on Lily. As I watched that last scene I thought to myself "Holy shit, here's a guy who's played super beta and submissive to his wife the whole series, and now is revealing his alpha side, and she totally deserves it.
To those who want to know the specifics; Marshall gets a Judgeship in New York (his lifetime dream) when they were planning on moving to Italy so Lily could do art related shit (her dream all of a year). The Italy thing had been decided, but the judgeship was a yes or no answer, so he said yes, and then there was an arc about him getting back to his wife to explain himself. When he gets there you expect him to get reamed by Lily (the episode even sets it up), and then instead, he gets a backbone. "Why would you do this!?" -"Because I want to." And then he brings up the fact that she walked out years ago and he let her back in. It was basically saying "I could have told you to fuck off, but you were desperate, so I let you back in, now I'm in charge of this relationship". It's a great scene, and she goes quiet and just walks out.
You think he's won the argument, but NOPE, can't have the alpha side being right, the woman has to make all the decisions! So the next episode they basically twist it around so that they do stay in New York, but make it like it was her idea.
FailedPrayer 11y ago
I agree; that scene where Marshall stands up for himself regarding the judgeship showed what Marshall really should've been for the past 9 seasons. I also considered the possibility that maybe Lily did ride the carousel in San Francisco (when she left Marshall early on), but no one could ever confirm that she did. Now that you mention Lily's hotness, it makes a lot more sense that she did fuck around in San Francisco.
I really think Marshall should've held out longer on her when she returned to him begging and crying to get back together. Check that scene from Season 2: she's sobbing uncontrollably and is beyond desperate, but Marshall lets her off easy.
PS - Lily doesn't just walk out of that argument quietly. She runs away because she can't handle and doesn't know how to react to this new alpha, impassioned side of Marshall (who is right, btw, in his argument that the judgeship would be better than her BS art gig).
TheInkerman 11y ago
TBH I think it could have worked if they'd done what they did with Marshall and instead done it will Lily. Have her sitting somewhere, crying and shit, and imagine different Marshall's explain why he wants the judgeship, why it's logical to stay in New York, and how much he was hurt by her moving to SF. It makes him look far less alpha, even if it's not really him doing the explaining, but they don't have to backtrack over the scene they just did.
FailedPrayer 11y ago
I agree, but considering the track record of the show, I had a feeling that Marshall would cave, which he sort of did in the latest episode.
I hate how Lily tried to turn it around, but you could slightly understand her POV: Marshall went behind her back, but she never should've said, "I've never been that selfish to you." She deserved all the heat after she said that.
Marshall even tells her that the art "career" is, more or less, just a hobby. Even he doesn't believe in her and I have to agree. Glad he stuck to his guns though.
mordanus 11y ago
I watched about 45 seconds of the first episode. Then the laugh track started in. If a show was actually funny they wouldn't need to tell us when to laugh.
Gfresh405 11y ago
I loved the episode where Robin was trying to convince her little sister to wait to have sex meanwhile Robin had already banged like 20 guys. And I'm pretty sure she lost her virginity at a much younger age.
Sturmgeist781 11y ago
Her character's hypocricy knows no bounds.
PaulRivers10 11y ago
Yeah, but that's what's realistic about it. If you think she wouldn't do that - you're still plugged in a bit to the blue pill. :D If you see that and go "Oooh, yeah, she's just like that girl that told me she 'normally totally doesn't do this sort of thing"" - suuuuuure. :-)
Sturmgeist781 11y ago
All women are whores. Easy creed to live by.
PaulRivers10 11y ago
Disagree with this entirely. Let me start off with a caveat - I have not watched the last season and am not talking about the last season. A lot of shows end their run with crappy unrealistic pandering stuff. But I'm talking about the rest of the show.
How I Met Your Mother is a typical show that seeks to maximize the number of people who can relate to it, so if you're blue pill you'll see the blue pill, and if you're red pill you'll see the red pill. But if you watch - the show is red pill all over the place.
PaulRivers10 11y ago
Barney and Robin - in saying that Barney is depicted as "disgusting" is typical blue pill thinking - you think he's disgusting because the girls refer to him as disgusting. Tell me - when does the show actually depict him as disgusting? When have you ever watched the show and thought, yourself, that if you were Barney you would be disgusted by yourself? For me - never. I've never seen that.
Like in real life, girls call the PUA "disgusting" - then fuck him later. This is 100% red pill reality. Robin completely fucks him, Lily at some point makes a bet where if he wins he sees (or touches, I can't remember) her boobs. After all her going on about how "disgusting" he is - why would she ever make that offer at all? ...unless there's a part of her that finds him attractive and kinda wants to do it. It would still make sense that she doesn't sleep with him if you assume that Lily is very unnattractive, because an unnattractive girl would not want to throw out her stable relationship for a fling with the PUA because she knows she'll never be able to hold onto him because he's so far above her attraction level.
The show also repeatedly pokes holes in the blue pill "the player is just using and abusing the girl and she's hurt and hates him and it's so awful bla bla bla bla bla!" idea. There's several episodes where Lily plays the blue pill ideology and is convinced that the girls Barney is tricking hate him, have been damaged, would never talk to him again, etc etc. And in the end? None of it is true. They slap him - then want Barney back. In the end of one of the episodes it's super red pill, the girl isn't mad (even though Barney stole her truck) and invites him to come in and have dinner with her and her fiance. Her fiance is super beta and unnattractive - moreso than Ted even. While this guy says he wants to thank Barney for convincing the girl that she should stop dating players, it's then revealed that Barney's trist with the girl was while she was dating her super beta fiance. How much more Red Pill can you get than that?
As the OP pointed out, the moment that Barney goes back into "boyfriend" mode rather than "player" mode, Robin finds him disgusting - exactly as you'd expect from a Red Pill reality.
PaulRivers10 11y ago
Ted Mosby Ted Mosby is absolutely the best Red Pill thing you can watch. You know why? Your problem with him is that you're trying to emphathisize with him. But his character is not a character to strive to be - his character is a warning sign of what happens when you're beta.
Ted Mosby is a beta, but with enough qualities to date (he isn't sitting at home whining about women, he approaches, etc). Tell me - other than the "happily ever after ending" (which I'll get back to later), what do you find unrealistic and not Red Pill about what happens to Ted Mosby? I mean everything you described that he goes through is completely Red Pill. Ted dates but Robin isn't really interested in him as anything other than an occassional fuckbuddy. Ted has some attractive qualities - he's good looking, he's not short, he has a purpose and a drive that he's pursuing (even if it is a blue pill purpose, he's not sitting at home whining and not doing anything about it). He has a job with a title that sounds good to girls, money, etc etc.
The point is - it completely makes sense that he's never going to "get" Robin in the long term future he imagines. Robin, on her part, lacks enough feminity to be totally to good for Ted, so she's still interested in sleeping with him when nothing else is going on - but not at all going to be with him long term.
All the other stuff that happens is completely Red Pill reality with Ted. He dates Victoria - but she moves away and cheats on him. Victoria is exactly the kind of girl who thinks she's supposed to want Ted, but isn't actually interested in him. The fact that she drops him is entirely red pill - he's just to beta. If she had been more interested in him, she never would have left.
Robin is more interested in Ted when Victoria appears to be interested in him? Yup, Red Pill reality right there.
Ted then transitions to Stella who has a kid. Again - totally Red Pill realistic. Stella is desperate (she had a kid, after all). It takes what - months and months of dating for her to actually have sex with him? And then she leaves him on their wedding day for her ex? How much more Red Pill could you get? Ted loses because he acts so beta (inviting her ex to their wedding, etc).
I don't find The Captain unrealistic either - he's strongly a beta with alpha trappings. He's rich, etc etc - but his attitude, his voice, the lack of control over his own life that he projects - he seems like the kind of guy who women want to date at first because of his outward alpha qualities, then once they get to know him find themselves repulsed by his actual betaness.
Even his magically "finally meeting the one" stuff - I haven't seen these episodes, but it's not innacurate to say that women get close to hitting the wall and finally are willing to settle. Ted thinks "it's finally the one" the woman's emotions are more like "suddenly I'm not getting as much attention as I used to - time to settle down". I'm sure the show makes her more attractive than the real life woman, so that part is likely fantasy, but the situation matches totally up with Red Pill reality.
I think you hate Ted and think he's stupid because you see him as a role model. I think Ted is very Red Pill and fantastic because I see him as a warning sign. He demonstrates how fucked over you're going to get by being to beta. He's a really, really awesome character to watch and see how a nice guy is just run over the top of by women - again, and again, and again.
TheCasualHistorian 11y ago
The show contains a ton of Red Pill borne out of the realistic elements of the relationships that the characters go through. The central theme however is Blue Pill to the core, if only because that's how the main character/narrator sees it. He dates a decent amount of women and gains no experience from it all the while harboring single-target feelings for his slutty former girlfriend. It's Ross/Rachael all over again.
PaulRivers10 11y ago
In your title you described the show as "the ultimate Blue Pill fantasy" - if it was total blue pill fantasy, Ted would end up with Robin. Ted would only date different women because the previous one like - died or something. Maybe a super manipulative pua would somehow steal her, but the show would emphasize that she was miserable as a result and that he like drugged her or something, and she would have been happy if only she had stuck with Ted! Etc. The show doesn't do that - it mostly ignores his exes that moved on, but when it does mention them is usually depicts them as happy.
I completely disagree with that he gains no experience at all - sure, he never becomes red pill, but he doesn't keep making the extreme blue pill mistakes. When he first meets Robin he tells her he loves her on their first date (super blue pill) - he doesn't repeat that again. In fact the show makes fun of it later calling it "pulling a Ted" or something like that. There's a whole episode illustrating characters deliberately and knowingly acting to gushy with their date for stated purpose of getting the other person to be uninterested in them - again and again making the point that being to gushy and forward scares people away, it doesn't attract them.
Yeah, it never turns into a red pill show, but "the ultimate blue pill fantasy" it's not. If it was, it wouldn't just depict blue pill characters, they would also live in a blue pill reality.
P.S. Also, in real life around the time Friends was popular, I knew people in real life who had Ross/Rachel relationships. I was the more-alpha guy who let her go and she ended up marrying the Ross-like guy. That would not work today - and the girl was not Rachel-level-attractive.
But How I Met Your Mother doesn't end with Ted getting together with Robin.
I think your interpretation is in how you watch the show. Watch it with a "aw, poor Ted, he just never meets the right woman through no fault of his own!" and it's blue pill. Watch it with a "Everything that happens to Ted happens exactly because of who he is and what he does" perspective, and he's a blue pill character running into a consistently red pill reality.
PaulRivers10 11y ago
tl;dr My post is way to long. Short version.
Lily and Marshall makes sense if you think of real-life Lily being fat or ugly.
Barney makes sense because the women call him disgusting, but Robin fucks him - very Red Pill. The show continually demonstrates that the women he's nailing aren't the "sad little angels he's hurting!" like a blue pill philosophy would say, and are in fact depicted as just as manipulative themselves.
You think Ted is bad because you see him as a role model, but he's fantastically Red Pill if you think of him as a warning story demonstrating what will happen to you if you're to beta. He believes bill plue ideas, but the plot itself continually has him getting left, cheated on, or just plain failing in his relationships because of them. Even his eventual "The Mother" character makes sense - he has enough attractive qualities (not short, fairly good looking, has a respectable job, is actively pursuing his dream rather than sitting at home whining about it) that a woman who's hit the wall and getting a little desperate would be interested in marrying him.
How I Met Your Mother has blue pill characters, but the actual events that take place in the show demonstrate a Red Pill reality. The episodes almost seem to be written like: Character Expresses Blue Pill Philosophy -> Gets Red Pill Results
TheCasualHistorian 11y ago
Solid, solid stuff sir.
PaulRivers10 11y ago
Thanks!
I totally know where you're coming from, I previously had much of the same perspective. But time, experience, more Red Pill, and experiences in real life are what led me to the conclusion I wrote out.
At some point I actually realized that my own problem was I was seeing the show as unrealistic as I was viewing Ted's breakups and fall out as "well they need to keep the plot going". Instead, the show suddenly started a whole lot of sense when I started viewing his results as a result of who he is - his blue pill philosophy and actions.
I gotta admit, I was really puzzled by Marshall and Lily for a long time. Allison Hannigan is just so hot - their interactions just did not make any sense at all. But Marshall is not very attractive. That's how the show designs him - he's the only overweight character, he avoids confrontation, he's never a fashionable dresser. If you take out their interactions with women, other men frequently use or manipulate Marshall far more than they do to Ted. In non-female interactions, Ted stands up for himself. Marshall just gets rolled over by other guys, sometimes Barney, but mostly his bosses - again and again. In his interactions with women, Marshall is less Beta than Ted. But in everything else, he's more.
The way Lily acts - they just don't make sense for a girl who's a 9 or a 10. She's fairly often begging Marshal for sex - something I just can't see happening regularly with a 9 or a 10 (or at least in that framing - it's when Marshall is down and depressed, it's not when Marshall is being super alpha or something). Her continued insistence that Barney must be hurting the women he's sleeping with is not impossible for a 10, but with her deep investment in it it seems unlikely to me.
It just didn't make sense that the most beta guy on the show (if you take out how Ted approaches romance and women) would end up with the hottest girl on the show. Then I was thinking about how unnattractive girls like to see themselves as being the attractive girl, I started imaging Lily and fat and overweight and bam - everything she did made sense in a Red Pill or Game context.
Oh man, I wrote another friekin' essay didn't I? lol
bootdoc 11y ago
Bravo! Outstanding analysis. You have contributed much. Your post is the needed length.
PaulRivers10 11y ago
Thanks! Could have been a bit better if I wanted to put the time into it though. It's just an internet comment - you gotta balance out the reward of doing that vs the reward of doing anything else. :-) I've considered posting something similar as a front page article, would probably lay it out a little better if I did that.
PaulRivers10 11y ago
Lily and Marshall - Marshall is beta and depicted as less attractive - both visually and in his beta ways. As a couple (where Alyson Hannigan is super hot) didn't make sense to me from a Red Pill (or game perspective) until I read this - "Thomas' wife Rebecca was initially reluctant to have a character based on her, but agreed if they could get Alyson Hannigan to play her."
And then it dawned on me - the real life Lily does make sense if the real girl she's based on is actually very unnattractive. If she's fat and overweight, if she's not fat but just very not good looking, has a lot manly qualities, etc. Unnattractive girls dream of being the attractive girl. Who do you think the target audience is for movies where the male schlub gets the unbelievably hot and gorgeous woman in the end of the movie? I think their primary audience is unnattractive girls who love that guys-who-look-and-act like the kind of guys they can get would otherwise be with super hot women.
Seriously, watch the show, and watch Marshall and Lily's interactions - but assume that Lily is actually fat and overweight. Their interactions suddenly make a TON more sense. Like there an episode where Lily is sad she's not getting hit on, despite being with Marshall, so she keeps trying to get guys to hit on her (and if I remember right they all hit on Robin instead). This is non-sensical for Alyson Hannigan, but for a fat overweight girl this completely makes sense. When she was younger, she might have gotten some play. Now that she's older and unnattractive it's just impossible, even for drunk guys in a bar. There's a ton of other things to - she leaves Marshall thinking she can do better, but returns to him when she realizes - she can't do better. When Marshall is down she still wants to have sex with him. She's verbally begging for it, in fact. How does that make sense when Lily is so attractive?? It doesn't - but it does make sense for a fat overweight (or otherwise unnattractive) girl. One of the biggest things that made sense from game is that there ARE girls who want the "beta" qualities and find them attractive - you just don't realize those girls want those things because they're unnattractive themselves.
FailedPrayer 11y ago
I was going through your posts here and thought you were spot-on with all the analysis. I don't think the posts were long at all; I'm glad someone took the initiative and elaborated on the characters a bit more. Kudos and looking forward to reading more. I'm curious what you think of these:
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Mooshaq 11y ago
Great breakdown!
I absolutely adored this show until ~1 year ago, when I read "No More Mr. Nice Guy" and then found this subreddit (Ted is a "nice guy," in that he's actually a spiteful douche). Then I looked back on everything and realized how ridiculous it is, and how much of a bitch Ted is. I'm still watching this season (which is HORRIBLE), just so I can finally see the goddamn ending, because I've already wasted so much time with this show. It should have ended at seven seasons.
Ted really is the ultimate BP example. He bangs so many hot girls, yet keeps letting his one-itis for Robin take over, again and again. There are also lots of hot girls that throw themselves at him, and he denies.
Sadly, I never realized how ridiculous the Lilly and Marshall relationship is until reading your post.
As for the Barney thing, I kinda disagree. I mean he's banged 250+ girls, and is somewhere around 35 years old. Yeah he still has a few really good years of young girls ahead, and then several good years ahead of those. But after a certain point, a guy might get tired of chasing, and Robin certainly isn't a lot of effort to "catch." I'm not saying we should all do that, but I would imagine that some guys just get sick of spinning plates and having ONSs that add up to >250 girls.
On a side note, Archer is a damn funny TV show (it's a cartoon) that is on Netflix. It has some good RP gems without being too offensive to the feminized masses (e.g. Archer has mommy issues). On another side note, I always wondered if so many girls like "The Walking Dead" because it (at least in the first two seasons) portrayed typical gender roles in a happy, complementary way, instead of in an "oppressive" way construed by "the patriarchy."
EDIT #1: This past Monday's episode of HIMYM was almost unpalatable. Especially that scene on the bridge with Janette (and later scenes with Robin on the beach). I was about to turn off the episode.
EDIT #2: Here is Ted's quote from that scene on the bridge (no spoilers really). Mind you, he is talking about loving the women he met 9 years ago, who doesn't want kids (Ted does), doesn't want to be with Ted, and is marrying his best friend.
8bitbaddy 11y ago
oh my fuck teds dialogue though
TheCasualHistorian 11y ago
I agree with your points on Barney. I'm a firm believer of the idea that if you're the selector (after having had experience with lots of women) then it is your right to choose a girl who you think is worthy to settle down with. There's nothing particularly wrong with that.
Edit: I just watched that scene. Jesus fucking Christ.
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Mooshaq 11y ago
My theory holds true for one person! Now I just need another 4,999,999 people to agree and it will hold some weight.
Don't watch this year. End at season 5 or season 6 and you'll be a happy gal. I can see where you're coming from with Robin, being a RPW and seeing how she acts. I started to dislike her as I got more into TRP, but most of my hate focused on Ted, as it was a portrayal of all the beta-ness/BP traits I used to exemplify. Of course my transformation isn't 100% complete yet (is it ever?), but I've thankfully dropped those traits.
Oh yeah. I like to refer back to her leaving for San Francisco, as well as the "reacher-settler" episode.
No, but I'm definitely not going to now after this comment.
AveofSpades 11y ago
Tried getting into this show on Netflix. Couldn't stomach it and shut it down after 2 episodes. The Ted guy was so fucking beta that it hurt to watch. Funny, because I gather this show is quite popular on Reddit. While 2 and a Half Men is considered shit. I prefer the latter show immensely (only counting the Charlie Sheen years) because it's pretty spot on. There is an episode where Charlie Sheen's fiancee's college roomate comes to live with him for a weekend. The dichotomy between Charlie's approach to her (alpha) and his brother Alan's (beta) is painfully hilarious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIy2RfGRL58
Sturmgeist781 11y ago
Two and a half men is shit. Terrible show.
How I met your mother is funny because you get to laugh at how pathetic Ted is and his inability to not be a bitch.
Edit: Can't believe TRP users enjoy such a shit show as TAHM.
he-man_rules 11y ago
But as stated in comments above, Ted gets women, he just doesn't do it in really the right way. But hey, results are what counts. Seriously though, the show is great and i recommend you give it a try. The rest of the cast is much more important than Ted later on anyways.
AveofSpades 11y ago
So you're saying I should give it another chance?
PaulRivers10 11y ago
I'm not the other poster, but you should try watching it under the assumption that Ted Mosby is a cautionary tale of what happens to you if you're beta with women and relationships. It's fascinating when you watch it from that perspective, and realize that all the negative things that happen to him relationship-wise and because of his beta-ness.
You might want to watch it from the 2nd or 3rd season on, I think it stops trying to have you relate to Ted quite as much as the seasons go on.
infernalsatan 11y ago
Come on people, it's not a documentary. If he is a red pill then there will be no comedy.
Yes, Ted is pathetic, and that's why he needed to spend 9 seasons to tell the story of how he meet his wife.
BetamaxFaggle 11y ago
I thought the main viewer demo for this show was women, aged 25-50, thus feeding their BP reality and hamstering away their slutty choices.
stupid_fucking_name 11y ago
Seriously. This shit is syndicated on Lifetime.
Sturmgeist781 11y ago
Just imagine how many women watch the show. They probably think Ted is cute and funny. Then they think how fucking needy he is and how almost his entire life is focused on his oneitis.
LaserSoundMusic 11y ago
I cannot watch that show because of Ted. He helped the women who left him at the alter get back together with her new bf...u kidding bro?
Sturmgeist781 11y ago
Betas gonna beta.
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InferiousX 11y ago
I haven't been able to watch them for a long time. Everybody Loves Raymond was previously my favorite one to hate. (I have yet to see a single episode of HIMYM)
Raymond was a pathetic joke of a man. Always clueless, unable to stand up to anyone around him and always dressed like an idiot (Is there a rule somewhere that says men in sitcoms have to wear two sizes too big flannels?)
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Check out "It's always sunny in Philadelphia". Sitcoms tend to have the dynamic of one crazy guy and a bunch of normal people, or one normal guy and a bunch of crazy people. It's always sunny in Philadelphia doesn't have sane people. I've had a lot of good laughs from it.
heyarnold 11y ago
Scrubs. God damn, I could never deal with jd constantly whining. A true example of someone who needed to man the fuck up.
Sexualreddit0r 11y ago
"For the love of God, indeed..."
[deleted] 11y ago
That's the exact reason I stopped watching How I Met your Mother years ago. Utter BS and a sore misrepresentation of men in general.
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Couldn't agree more
Verlier 11y ago
Except anything done with Charlie Sheen in it.
VinylGuy420 11y ago
Not sure why you're downvoted. You're right. Charlie sheen is a pretty good RP role model for TRP (aside from the oneitis he got later in 2 And a Half Men, but he figured it out)
Verlier 11y ago
It's not the funniest sitcom, maybe that's why I'm getting downvoted, but you can't deny Charlie Harper and his brother are good examples of a red and blue type of men. And somebody mentioned Mad Men, Californication and so on. Good examples also.
abcd_z 11y ago
Sitcoms worth checking out for alpha male role models: Entourage, Mad Men, Two and a Half Men (the ones with Charlie in it), Nip/tuck, Californication.
sushisection 11y ago
Arrow is alright. I've only seen the first few episodes though, dude might get soft later on but I don't know
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Oh yes Mad Men. RP to the hilt. I cannot see why people find that show boring...its got so much more character development than any other show I've seen since Weeds, since there is no Michael Bay style explosions and CGI to distract it.
Dream4eva 11y ago
House of Cards.
Pumbloom 11y ago
Is house of cards a sitcom? Netflix says its a political thriller.
throwaway75369 11y ago
I abandoned tv altogether for youtube. No ads (with adblock), your peraonal peogramming, good stuff 24/7.
bootdoc 11y ago
Great break down.
If you are on a roll, Shames s4e4 (US) highlights alpha/beta/hypergamy.
One woman asks the other if he makes it tingle when she is at his door.
thedanielmasterson 11y ago
I met the real-life dude that Barney was created after. All people involved in that group are PUAs IRL. Even Ted.
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Those who create this show are TRP as fuck. Also they know the audience. This is what you should do with betas - not try to convert or hate them, because once you were like that, but use them to your advantage.
topkatten 11y ago
Your analysis is interesting. O just cant stand the show due to the oh so boribg stereotypes and jokes.
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Nice work. Ted is infuriating. It's a great show, with lots of laughs. However, it must remain in the back on our minds that this is pure fiction. Reality need not apply.
[deleted] 11y ago
Every television show must be watched with this mentality. Except The Wire.
CptJackSwallows 11y ago
people who get their values from a tv show are fucking idiots
mctoasterson 11y ago
Ted is a gigantic puss. Every woman I've ever watched the show with thinks he is emotional, sentimental, and un-masculine to the point of annoyance. Someone needs to break it to Josh Radnor that he's basically this generation's David Schwimmer.
Sturmgeist781 11y ago
Both of the characters are gigantic betas.
The only time Ross was decent in my eyes is when he stood by his "We were on a break" argument. So many betaguys would have folded and said whatever the female wanted to hear. The only time on that show when he had an actual spine.
life036 11y ago
Jesus, OP, how much time did you spend watching this fucking crap?
anotherbluemarlin 11y ago
Honestly, i might agree on a few points but it's mainly a very poorly written show which lasted at least 8,5 season too long.
throwaway-o 11y ago
This is the only show that I watch. I watch it for Barney's antics.
Needless to say, this show has created a term for blowing your love wad too early by proclaiming it to the other person: to Mosby. Because Ted.
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updock 11y ago
Are you sure? I've heard most guys who've slept with 200 women and have tons of game wind up settling for 30+ year old women who their friend used to bang.
bsutansalt 11y ago
My Best Friend's Girl followed the exact same script. The first 20 minutes was fantastic though.
Sturmgeist781 11y ago
Fucking Dane Cook...
cormega 11y ago
To be fair, they were both pretty slutty through their 20's.
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This is actually my greatest gripe with Parks and Rec right now. Ron Swanson goes from the fucking pinnacle of televised (mainstream sitcom) masculinity to dating a woman with two daughters who consistently emasculate him. It's so beyond infuriating. The show is pretty great despite it's feminist moments, which are reasonably spaced out. Then that happened and it bugs the hell out of me.
gekkozorz 11y ago
This show is basically "nice guy" porn. I've been watching it on Netflix because it is pretty funny and entertaining, but it's all set in a huge beta fantasy world.
bama79rolltide 11y ago
Spot on review.
WAFC 11y ago
Good write-up. I quit watching when it became obvious that they were never going to acknowledge what a terrible fucking person Lily is.
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saying you dont enjoy this show because you learned TRP is like saying you dont enjoy superman ever since you learned about gravity.this is a great summary though..the show is definitely fantasy....
Mooshaq 11y ago
No. We learn at a very early age that we cannot fly. Our belief in the ability for humans to fly is not crushed by learning about gravity in 3rd grade science class.
A lot of us liked HIMYM because it was the perfect BP fantasy – be nice, kind, smart and eventually girls will like you and you will meet the perfect woman. This was ingrained in some of our heads for 20+ years. Then we come to TRP and it's like "HAHAHAHA no....because feminism, hypergamy, lack of game, etc."
Yeah some parts of the show are still funny, but the core of the show is Ted's love life, and your view of it radically changes once studying TRP philosophy.
infernalsatan 11y ago
It seems that a lot of guys here are so absorbed into TRP they forgot what entertainment is. Perhaps all the hate comes from their insecurity which they fear they would become Ted one day.
JohnDoe78 11y ago
She's probably fucking your "best friend" right now. - Right in the feels.
SeekRed 11y ago
I'd like to point out the show is called How I Met Your Mother which logically means that Ted can never meet the one as long as the producers can command viewership.
This alone should be enough to give you an idea of a potential plot line - keep Ted in floundering relationships, derive some sort of pity in the audience that continues to watch hoping the nice guy comes out on top in the end.
PaulRivers10 11y ago
I used to think that when I had more Blue Pill thinking. When I started seeing Red Pill thinking be successful in my real life, and I understood it better, I started watching it more from a Red Pill mindset and all of his breakups completely make sense (as I wrote in a wall of text above).
You could definitely think that the show deliberately gives him girlfriends he won't be compatible with just because it needs to keep the show going, but if you think that every relationship he had ended just because they needed to keep the show going I would disagree - from a Red Pill perspective I found every girl who broke up with him, cheated on him, etc almost completely realistic. I would say it was my old blue pill mindset that didn't understand why it happened.
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this show is retarded and any discussion about it is even more pathetic than the show itself.
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