This link popped up on my Facebook feed today and is making huge circles in my friends list due to the fact a quarter of them are Greek. The most repeated and liked comments are different variation on 'Good thing none of these apply to me!' and 'The girls I know aren't like that!'
The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.
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In the earlier Internet days, pre-TRP as it exists today, there was a site by a bunch of frat bros who mixed some humor and good commentary, and one story had to do with why that first marriage to your sorority sweetheart was doomed.
Basically, the argument was that you get married and her Daddy throws you a big wedding and you start your career, and a year or so after that she starts to bitch and agitate because you're not as successful as her Daddy was. The author's insight: You have to realize that she was 17 or 18 before she even knew what her Daddy did for a living, and by then he was the Senior VP or CEO or whatever. Money, vacations, expensive clothes, cars, those things all just happened to her. She's never seen her Daddy being unsure of himself or struggling to make it in his career, so when she sees it in you, she's scared/pissed off. What the author described in the end game was what we now call beta supplication, which was really just appeasement until the inevitable divorce.
EDIT: If you want a good laugh, read the comments. Starting with the one by "James Scofield:"
Mightyskunk 11y ago
He got a pity pussy offer from someone thousands of miles away, though! 'Least he's got that goin' for him!
randomkloud 11y ago
it's been a while since I saw some vigorous whiteknighting. the comments section is hilarious.
d3gu 11y ago
Honestly, I think this applies to life as well. My parents made it look so easy. My family is not rich, but there was food every day, a warm house & soft bed. The bills got paid, we had holidays and birthday presents. I guess I thought that's how 'adults' lived. Now I'm 25 and realising... my parents waited until they had good jobs & a house til they had my brother and me. And that was after working for 10+ years - my mother worked throughout her pregnancies (she's a doctor) and my dad worked full time to make sure we were comfortable. Throw in some health scares and loss of family members... it can't have been easy.
Recognising this, I have been brought up to work for what I own. I could easily throw it all in & move in with my parents (their door is open to us) but I want to make something of myself. I'd never want to be some rich dude's possession or expect anyone to give me stuff just cos I have boobs.
Also... side note... what is 'greek'? Is it an American insult or are there loads of Greek people where you live? I've heard the term applied to American universities but don't actually know what it means.
[deleted] 11y ago
American college fraternities and sororities have greek letters for names: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternities_and_sororities_in_North_America
[deleted] 11y ago
This is what these feminism-promoting white knights don't understand. It's not that women don't have, or don't deserve to have, dreams and ambitions, brains and talent. There's nothing wrong with those things. What's wrong is the timing, the way they plan their careers first and family last, the way they spend age 18-29 getting slammed by a hundred men, and the entitled attitude that post-wall women have.
If a woman isn't willing to give a man any of her best years, why does she expect any man to give her anything of his?
[deleted] 11y ago
Yeah, and he's defending the girls' "right" to be entitled spoiled brats. They're equal and intelligent, even when they act like narcissists and sluts. And this dude intends to defend their right to be not just equal but more equal.
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[deleted] 11y ago
It's pathetic. Just like all those blogs and twitter posts from guys who identify as feminists.
There is a whole new level of beta just for them.
StoicThePariah 11y ago
Gammas, gammas everywhere
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newgabe 11y ago
Look at replies to his comment and there is a girl who says "I just fell in love with you". No you didnt. You made a comment designed to grab the attention of someone who you believe fits your ideals of a beta man bowing down to your every demand but yet looks good enough to model to your gf but that you wont fuck "so u wont mess up the relationship". Dumb whore.
[deleted] 11y ago
Poor guy was so happy when he saw that comment lol
salami_inferno 11y ago
Can promise you he thinks back to that moment every time he gallantly runs to a woman's rescue.
[deleted] 11y ago
Everything in the past was bad, everything now is better, if we keep telling ourselves this we might start to believe it. Except it's not true. Women are less happy today than they were in the 1970's according to studies. And men are actually happier, even though their real median income has actually declined. Their decline in obligations and responsibility has more than made up for that, plus the many forms of cheap male entertainment. Too many irons in the fire though for women on average, the tug of war between family and work obligations is stressful.
[deleted] 11y ago
It really is astounding and it's so much worse with sorority girls. They're rich and pretty and entitled, and then they get selected to join and exclusive group of other girls who are also rich and also pretty. Validation on top of validation, entitlement on top of entitlement.
The article is also right to note that they are also terribly irresponsible drunks.
newgabe 11y ago
But I am so wasted on two and a balf jello shots and a virgin mary... omg so plastered... haha
salami_inferno 11y ago
I would kill to be able to drink that little to get drunk. Would save me so much money.
[deleted] 11y ago
interesting. Care to dig up the sources for me?
[deleted] 11y ago
The Paradox of Declining Female Happiness
[deleted] 11y ago
thank you sir!
YouDislikeMyOpinion 11y ago
Why would you ever want to marry? Like the girl? Fine, stay with her for the rest of your life. You don't need to sign a piece of paper to do that.
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cooledcannon 11y ago
Cali is a bad, bad place.
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salami_inferno 11y ago
Still doesn't wanna make me get married. It's a one sided deal that benefits woman. I'm only 22 now and I don't wanna have kids until my 30's, with the way marriage trends are going it won't be abnormal for parents to not be married by the time my kids grow up.
Invalidity 11y ago
This. Couples that cohabitate are happier and have more sex than married couples. That and there is no risk of divorce, custody and alimony battles.
It's hilarious though to think that sorority girls would give us more reason to disqualify them as mate, believing as though their hamstering would be effective enough to disregard the article.
It's a huge shit test. Any guys that fall prey to that hamstering will be disregarded completely.
LuisaRose 11y ago
Regarding custody battles, what happens if a cohabitating couple with children does break up?
StoicThePariah 11y ago
The judge splits the child down the middle.
ajswdf 11y ago
Do you have any evidence for that "couples that cohabitate are happier and have more sex than married couples" thing? I know a married person who likes to point out that married people have more sex than single people. It would be nice to be able to point out that cohabitation is obviously superior.
Invalidity 11y ago
Google "couples who cohabitate are happier than married couples". There are several articles and studies on the subject.
And yes, statistically speaking, married people have more sex than single people... because they factor in all the never-been-in-a-relationship singles (predominantly males).
salami_inferno 11y ago
Is it possible that they have more sex due to the fact that the woman then has more to lose from splitting up than if they were married and she divorced him? The fear of loss is a great way to keep the sex life alive.
Invalidity 11y ago
As I know of it, few husbands use the Dread games tactic. Most couples try marriage counseling (huge scam, it doesn't work and the 'counselor' is often trying to get bribes).
[deleted] 11y ago
Common law marriages would like to have a word with you.
salami_inferno 11y ago
I fucking hate the fact that the only way to avoid marriage is to stick to only casual relationships that go nowhere. Even if you don't marry a girl the government makes sure that you basically legally have. It's infuriating.
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YouDislikeMyOpinion 11y ago
Your standards for "unicorns" are pretty low.
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Fixed.
RockinRhombus 11y ago
"But tax breaks and you get to see them in the hospital if something ever happens" - Every girl I've ever brought up the subject to
iseeyou1312 11y ago
Unless you want a stay at home mother, the tax breaks are negligible compared to the cost of a wedding. And most countries outside of America don't even have tax breaks.
cooledcannon 11y ago
as an anarcho capitalist, id rather burn 10k than give 5k to a government.
iseeyou1312 11y ago
I'm not an anarcho capitalist, but loathe the government in its current form and would gladly do the same.
puaSenator 11y ago
Tax breaks only benefit when one person is working and the other isn't. And if the hospital thing is an issue, you can fill out a limited power of attorney to grant her that privilege. And if inheritance is an issue, that's why there are living wills.
[deleted] 11y ago
you don't love me
ilovemyself101 11y ago
"If you love me you wouldn't try force me to do something I don't want to do" <- could work?
[deleted] 11y ago
it's irrational to think this argument is going to be a rational discussion.
ThaMastaBlasta 11y ago
Its so funny how this is the exact way the conversation went with my now ex.
kzwrp 11y ago
This, among other things, is why she's your ex.
TRPNewJersey 11y ago
Better you had that conversation than the "I'm getting a divorce" one.
tenin2010br 11y ago
By then it's too late.
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I love you but I'm not in love with you.
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[deleted] 11y ago
Sorostitutes bro. Can't live with em, can't kill em.
[deleted] 11y ago
The real problem with sorority girls as I see them is the two archetypical personalities that can flourish in a sorority. You have the den mothers and the frameless girls.
The problem with frameless girls (though oftentimes initially appealing) is they have no sense of self or frame whatsoever - whoever the dominant personality in the room is consumes her entirely. Everyone sort of bends to others' frames on occasion and is somewhat flexible to different environments, but the frameless girl is a different person entirely in every environment. This can be attractive initially because it is an incredible ego massage - she takes on whatever 'color' you expect her be, assuming your values, interests, opinions, and dislikes. Of course, when you aren't there, she's assuming the position in the supply closet for the dickhead coworker busting all up in her sugar walls.
The den mother is worse. She's a nag, a gossiper, and desires a relationship dynamic that can only be described as 'mother-son'. She will attempt to nag, guilt, belittle, and manipulate you into a version of yourself she thinks is best. Of course, that version of you is disgusting and she will like it less than you will. Sex is a tool. Compliments must be earned by jumping through her hoops. She thinks she knows best how to 'raise you' into the man she wants. Run.
Literally every single sorority girl I know (which is quite a few) fit into one of those two personalities. And neither of them are appealing.
ThaMastaBlasta 11y ago
I've experienced this first hand and its one of the main reasons why I took the pill in the first place. My "high school sweetheart" I guess you could say, was close to the perfect girl especially for a red piller. She was a pretty, sweat, non-bitchy, non-entitled, down to earth girl, and I was the only guy she had really dated long term or hand sex with. Everything was really great for the first two years of our relationship and even for our first year of college together. That was until she became friends with a few of the classic entitled sorority type girls and decided to join the sorority herself. That was the exact moment she started to change and everything started to go down hill. I urged her not to go down that path but she thought I was being ridiculous, overprotective, controlling etc. Long story short, everything happened the exact way that I feared it would and we were broken up 3 months later. I was honestly very heartbroken for a while but looking back I definitely dodged the bullet and am a better man now.
James_Coook 11y ago
What ever happened to sorority girl?
ThaMastaBlasta 11y ago
Well that was maybe 8 or 9 months ago and once I realized she wasn't going to change back anytime soon I have made a point to have as little contact with her as possible (blocked from social media, very limited texting, etc.). I do this because it still honestly hurts some when I think of her but I'm not the type of guy to dwell on the past. I assume she has continued on living the same classic sorority girl life that I started to see her gravitate towards when we were still dating. Me and her brother are actually still really good friends and hang out on a regular basis but we never really talk about my ex. He is a red pill type guy himself and has even admitted things probably worked out for the best for me because he is a little older and had seen the same thing happen before plenty of times.
Its actually kind of funny, I have recently started to have a semi fwb type situation ongoing with one of her sorority sisters. She is alright to hangout with but I would never think of getting serious with this girl because she is the epitome of what my ex was becoming and what I would never want want in an actual relationship. It has only validated my confidence that I am better off now not being seriously involved with this type of girl. My ex definitely has no idea that this is going on though and I find it pretty humorous the way things worked out.
WAFC 11y ago
You should expect that she will eventually. The odds are very good.
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And if it works out well, you can probably expect a threesome.
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And the beta of the year award goes to Mr. James Scofield with some Camelot level white-knighting:
"Whoever wrote this article needs to take a look in the mirror and realize that HE is the problem in 2013, not the women who fail to live up to his screwed-up, 1960s, patriarchal expectations of what women should be. If you can't realize that women are EQUAL AND INTELLIGENT HUMAN BEINGS with dreams, expectations, ambition, desires, shortcomings, talents, and brains JUST LIKE MEN, then keep your NEANDERTHAL views to yourself because THE REST OF US are living in 2013.
To put it more bluntly, just because your mom was nice enough to wipe your ass until you were 18 doesn't mean it's some other woman's job now."
rapey_raperson 11y ago
Entitled brats in a sorority? Huge surprise.
BadgerBurger 11y ago
Sororities bring out the worst in women.
I was dating this girl in college for a while. Things were never perfect, but they sure as hell got worse after she joined the sorority. I was still pretty BP back then, but through her I got to see how important validation and pre-selection are to women.
Incidentally, did you know that some sororities "black-list" guys who they deem unacceptable to date? Well, they aren't black listing the sappy betas. Being on a "black-list" pretty much guarantees you ass.
redpilldude 11y ago
Hmm... the article failed to mention that they're also sluts.
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[deleted] 11y ago
Clearly your jimmies are rustled on a personal level. If you take a breath and step back, you'll realize you said less than nothing. Each item you reference was obviously intended to mean 'relatively more x'. College students are messy. Correct. Sorority girls are relatively more messy. Everyone likes attention. Correct. Sorority girls like attention...relatively more. You could argue against the validity of each statement, but you didn't. You simply mistook the accusations.
ChrisMyrick 11y ago
There's no argument to be made. This article just makes a bunch of baseless claims with no statistics or reasoning, just sexism. If these things are true, show me.
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The claim is this has been his observation. /bitchfest
sloaaron12 11y ago
One doesn't have to drink a ton and hook up with as many people as possible to "discover themselves". I think the old saying "can't make a ho into a housewife" rings true in most cases which is really what the article is getting at.
ChrisMyrick 11y ago
Hook up with as many people as possible? How does being a sorority girl make you a whore? Drinking and experimenting with independence and youth is in no way a bad thing. Some people take it to an excessive level but to call all sorority girls whores is ridiculous.
If you don't want to marry someone because they had a crazy phase in college (which is in no way true of all sorority girls), that's your prerogative. I think it's ridiculous to judge someone based solely on that, and this article is filled with baseless, broad generalizations.
RPsixthree 11y ago
NASGALT
Ragna_The_Blood_Edge 11y ago
Well if you disagree so much then go fucking marry them yourself.
That's one more hoe with a beta provider.
[deleted] 11y ago
If you don't think women are entitled you are probably in the wrong place.
iseeyou1312 11y ago
As in this planet?
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translation= getting fucked by as many cocks as possible, doing 3somes, an amateur porn vid.
once the discovering is done become a good girl who "doesnt do things like that!"
ChrisMyrick 11y ago
Even if that's true for every single sorority girl, why does it matter? Why does what she did in a phase in college make her less valuable as a life partner?
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Because her future partners are getting less/worse sex for a lot more effort/investment. A promiscuous woman is a higher risk to cuckold.
These things are pretty obvious
[deleted] 11y ago
I don't agree with a lot of the content in this sub, but this question is silly.
Let's go a tiny bit further:
Or even:
Or to skip ahead a bit:
Or perhaps:
ChrisMyrick 11y ago
I mean there are certainly non-violent things that should effect your perception of a person. Things that are actually wrong. Things like committing nonviolent crimes, of course. But there are also things like saying inappropriate or hateful things to others on a consistent basis that may have absolutely nothing to do with you personally, but will rightfully change your idea of someone. The defining line here is that there is nothing wrong with experimenting sexually. At all. There is nothing wrong with a girl "getting fucked by as many cocks as possible." That may be a turn-off for you personally, but it's not wrong.
[deleted] 11y ago
Are you implying that it's ethically wrong for someone to judge someone else for actions that are not ethically wrong? Why aren't we all (male or female) free to judge by whatever metrics we choose?
If a woman, eager have her first child and start a family, learns that her financially-stable boyfriend is paying child support for 4 kids with 4 different women, why is it ethically wrong for her to feel hurt and less special because of that?
If a woman learns that her boyfriend used have several female friends who he'd selflessly shower with compliments and gifts and favors for years, why is it ethically wrong for her to be hurt that he doesn't do that for her? What if the thought of her boyfriend's "service" simply turns her off? Is that ethically wrong?
I'm confident that no one here would claim it's ethically wrong for a woman to make it her goal to have sex with 10 different men per day, every day. But that's not the point.
For a variety of good reasons, none of which need to be justified, many men prefer to have wives who have not done that.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
EarnestMalware 11y ago
Nothing wrong with it at all. But why would you want to marry a girl who has displayed a strong taste for sexual variety? Why should we completely ignore habits, especially ones that are rather antithetical to the idea of a committed monogamous relationship?
SeekingAlpha 11y ago
That's just like your opinion, man.
[deleted] 11y ago
Sure, there's nothing wrong with slutting it up. There's also nothing wrong with men not wanting to marry those women.
[deleted] 11y ago
that's been my philosophy as well, after getting over being so angry (mainly at myself for buying into the prince charming thoughts).
It's chill if they want to have fun and go sleep with lots of guys/enjoy themselves. But I'm also allowed to come up with my own conclusions when I run into those girls a few years down the line. What I find annoying is that those individuals will rationalize away their years of sleeping around saying they were "working things out, discovering themselves," and that now I should see them in the same light before they went through those experiences.
Doesn't matter too much to me anymore because of the new detachment and removal of the pedestal, more is cute when you see someone try to cover up their past when it's obvious in their actions.
TooTurnt 11y ago
Formative years. Strong correlation between that behavior and becoming a cheating whore.
ChrisMyrick 11y ago
Show me the correlation.
StoicThePariah 11y ago
Just look up the graphs that who that number of sexual partners severely impacts whether or not a woman will seek a divorce.
rodz7 11y ago
http://socialpathology.blogspot.com.au/2010/09/sexual-partner-divorce-risk.html
The study is linked within.
PoopSmearMoustache 11y ago
Don't wait for science to tell you what to believe.
Increase your own analysis on women and relationships, disregard bias and judge everyone's motives for emotions harshly, especially your own, I assure you patterns will emerge.
[deleted] 11y ago
You don't seem to understand this subreddit. It isn't our job to convince you of anything. Many of the ideas you've questioned are agreed upon by the vast majority here.
ChrisMyrick 11y ago
You replied to my comment and said there was a correlation. Where is it? I'm not asking to be convinced, I'm asking for you to provide any evidence of what you said.
[deleted] 11y ago
That was actually someone else, but it doesn't change my point.
What are you trying to accomplish here? Someone answered your question and you're asking for evidence. This isn't /r/AskScience. Many of the ideas behind this subreddit would be nearly impossible to "prove" in the manner that you're asking.
If you don't believe this stuff is accurate, why are you here? This place isn't really recruiting new members. People end up here because they already get it to some extent.
[deleted] 11y ago
At the very least its a bad idea to marry these types of girls. Women who have more than one partner before marriage have an increased risk of divorce. Do not forget women end the overwhelming majority of marriages.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2003.00444.x/abstract