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- Hide Preview | 53 Comments | submitted 2 months ago by atticusfinch1973 [Post Locked]

I can now understand much better why the suicide rate for men is about 1.7 times that of women, and wanted to quickly write about it in the hopes that if anyone else is out there going through it they go get help.

I wrote it as a field report (sort of) because it's a real example of something I just experienced.

This week it was my birthday. My birthday has never been a good time for me as I have little contact with my family, I’m divorced (although happy about that) and have zero solid friends I can call if I have a problem. I’m a musician and fitness guy and know lots of people but the relationships are quite superficial. Recently I got myself into a business situation that has been causing me a lot of stress and I think the birthday just tipped me over the edge into a pretty dark depression. Darker than I've been in a long time.

I was driving my kids to school Thursday morning and literally going over scenarios. Asking myself how I would do it, what would be the most effective method. Effectively problem solving my own death. When I said good bye to my kids I seriously considered driving myself to a hospital for a 72 hour lockdown because that’s the state of mind I was in and had decided to end it with a hose through the window of my car.

Needless to say, I’m still here. One thing I know a lot about is physiology and I also basically told myself I needed to get through the day. I focused on work and after using some things to make me feel better (music and working out usually does the trick) I made it. Scared the crap out of me though.

I thought tonight about that stupid Gillette commercial that everyone freaked out about last week and thought about the expectations that are placed on men in today’s society. We are expected to be strong emotional rocks. We don’t have anyone who will seriously listen to our issues unless it’s another guy. Partners, wives, girlfriends forget about it. If anything, we teach men that if they have an issue and need help they should just suck it up and get over it. So we are much less likely to reach out in a time of serious crisis. Women attempt suicide more, but have much more of a support network so they get rescued a lot. Men are problem solvers and get the job done, even if it involves ending your life.

Even with my dark thoughts the prevailing attitude was “suck it up and get through it” when what I likely should have done was actually call a doctor, or anyone and go get actual help. I’ve taken steps now to address the underlying causes and have a couple of people watching out for me.

We are raised in a world by women (mostly) where emotional outbursts are wrong. Men don’t cry. Men don’t need help. Men are supposed to be able to weather the storm and suck it up. Terry Crews recently was in the media about his sexual harassment and got mocked. Men get abused by their partners all the time and people just laugh at them. No wonder we sometimes feel like nobody would listen anyway and so what’s the point of talking to anyone. And then you spiral down and it’s too late and the hose is in the window of the car in the garage.

This is also why men need a strong group of men in order to have support and help. I’d suggest anyone here who doesn’t have a strong social network of other males take steps to create one. There’s tons of resources for that available. Sports, meetup groups, guys at the gym, classmates, etc. Don’t be that guy sitting alone with nobody to call if or when depression actually hits.

Also remember that it’s not “beta” to admit you need help. Alpha males kill themselves too. There’s no way you can make your mission better and improve your life (or anyone else’s) if you’re dead. I have two little girls that would have been left behind and thinking about that helped change my mind. I also know I actually have a pretty good life. But brain chemistry can be an awful thing.

If you're reading this and can relate, feel free to post up and let the others here know how you managed it. It might go a long way towards saving another man's life so that we can get that 1.7 times statistic lower.

[-] Infla-mood 104 Points 2 months ago

I got up early on the morning of my birthday a few years ago and googled the best way to kill myself. Looking back it seems so crazy, but at the time it all seemed so normal and workmanlike in the planning.

This is the true power of The Red Pill. It's not about smashing bitches. It's all about that frame. A shield from so many of life's (shit) tests. I still struggle sometimes, but compared to my pre-pill self, I'm a goddamn bulletproof rockstar.

This so called "hate" sub has literally saved lives.

Thanks RP.

[-] nomsgplz 10 Points 2 months ago

Whats up with the birthdays and suicide. I contemplate about it on my birthdays too, like its a not a big deal.

[-] OICP 11 Points 2 months ago

it is a fairly common phenomena called birthday depression or something like that especially the multiples of 10 like 20 , 30 , 40 , 50 , 60 , etc ... it is like a wake up call to reality .

[-] NYNYGRDTDYEL 3 Points 2 months ago

Life is literally nothing more than a fucking gauntlet, that never ends, if you’re lucky you might get a few breaks in between BUT if it doesn’t kill you’ll be able to do anything, and being this useful will make you feel better than any type of of happiness others pursue.

[-] NormalAndy 2 Points 2 months ago

Life is shit tests and they are all opportunities for you to crush them as you ride them out. It’s cool- learn to welcome them.

[-] keeponlifting 37 Points 2 months ago

I'm glad you were able to withstand all the shit life threw at you and despite of it, kept going onwards.

You've listed the necessary steps to find a strong male social circle which will help you find a good friend or two, the type of friends you can trust.

I'm not going to tell you it's going to take a turn for the better, but if you put work into whatever it is you're doing, after experiencing success, you'll get a sense of achievement and purpose. One more thing that gets recommended on here often is getting your testosterone levels checked, as it can be in correlation with depression.

[-] PB0034 22 Points 2 months ago

Just like you played how you gonna end your life. Also play the scenario, how would you feel in 3-4 years if you stay alive. Compare yourself to 3-4 years back, your mind was a lot different. In short, our mind keeps changing with time. But it’s crucial to detach yourself and see it from long term perspective. If you can survive your current situation, you’ll be lot more patient and persevere going forward. If the thought of suicide comes, let it come don’t stop it, don’t attach yourself with it and let it pass. With time you’ll be able to nurture your skill of detachment. It’s the best thing a can man can possess.

[-] tteezzkk 16 Points 2 months ago

Definitely consider the WIM HOF breathing method. It will help you by oxidising your body fully (by breathing properly), counter to the shallow breathing that you unconsciously do when you're stressed, anxious or depressed (which contributes to your fucked up brain chemistry). In my experience, it has been VERY successful in clearing my head, making me far more present, heightening my senses, and improving my overall happiness. I think this is very underrated technique.

[-] falconiawillfall 1 Point 2 months ago

I'm curious as to how long it takes you to complete a full session of the Wim Hof? It took me about 25 min to complete 3 rounds, where each round consisted of the 30-40 deep breaths, no breathing, then inhale and hold for 10 seconds and repeat. The feeling of peacefulness that descended over me was insane but should I speed up my breathing if it takes me that long?

[-] tteezzkk 2 Points 2 months ago

That seems about right especially if you're doing over 30 breaths. I'm no expert but in my experience, it takes me roughly 5-6 minutes give or take to get through 1 round doing 30 breaths, and I still receive all the good benefits. If you're feeling the tingly sensation, thats definitely a good sign you're doing it effectively.

This is a 15 meditation guided wim hof that will definitely speed up your practise.

This guy explains the method in a very simple and effective way.

[-] falconiawillfall 2 Points 2 months ago

Thanks, appreciate the links.

[-] Orange_Butler -1 Point 2 months ago

If it involves not breathing for periods, I wouldn't be surprised if you're messing with the oxygen flow to your brain and getting some kind of buzz.

[-] MattyAnon 7 Points 2 months ago

I can now understand much better why the suicide rate for men is about 1.7 times that of women

The male suicide rate is 3-4x that of women.

Don't be fooled by "attempted suicide" statistics where the (usually woman) has some sleeping tablets and calls someone so that they can be rescued.

Real actual suicide (the type that ends with death) is 3-4 higher for men. Obfuscation of these statistics to include "attempted" suicides is a thinly veiled attempt to get more victim points for women even while they demonstrably suffer less than men.

We are expected to be strong emotional rocks. We don’t have anyone who will seriously listen to our issues unless it’s another guy

Right. Women get support, men get blame.

You want to see a stark example of this: look at the "baby left in a park" incidents that happen a few times per year in the news. Every time it happens you read "and we're looking for the mother to check she's ok and to give her the help she needs". If it was a man that left a baby in a park he'd be in prison for child abuse being raped daily by the other inmates before the day was out and there would be calls for his execution from 95% of the population.

Women get support. Men get blame. Noone listens to us, noone cares. You're on your own.

There's nothing you can do about this, except hold onto your power, hold onto your options and don't fall for the "must support women" narrative that means nothing more than sacrificing ourselves for someone else that will never appreciate or repay our efforts.

Men get abused by their partners all the time and people just laugh at them.

Statistically male physical abuse in intimate relationships happens as much as the reverse. And as you say OP, noone cares. Emotional abuse happens more to men. And the response of everyone you speak to? "Should have chosen better, it's always a risk, that's life". Women get support, men get blame.

If you're reading this and can relate, feel free to post up and let the others here know how you managed it. It might go a long way towards saving another man's life so that we can get that ... statistic lower.

I've never found any benefit in talking to people about being upset, depressed or any of it. Men are uncomfortable with your weakness and will rapidly grow to hate you for it.

What really does help is spending good time with good people. You don't need to share your problems to feel better about them - you can just hang out and have a few beers with good people, it's enormously uplifting. Talking about your problems doesn't fix them... this only works for women who invoke white knights with every breath. As a man you're expected to fix your own shit, so do that. But do take time out to spend time with the better people you find.

[-] silent_dominant 2 Points 2 months ago

"Women get support, men get blame" I've never heard it so simple, yet so correct.

Men are expected to take the lead and the responsibility and then are stigmatised for being in those positions.

[-] mrmaldoror 2 Points 2 months ago

I personally love this style of advice.

I have great friends who I could talk to about my problems, and I will casually mention some things but in general I prefer not bore anyone with my shit. Essentially most problems aren't big problems and just require time to fix. I feel that if I talk about my problems, I am making them more than they actually are.

[-] Zech4riah 1 Point 2 months ago

I've never found any benefit in talking to people about being upset, depressed or any of it. Men are uncomfortable with your weakness and will rapidly grow to hate you for it.

I sort of feel sorry for you. I'd say you would found the benefit if you had right kind of environment and people around you.

I have two close friends and we form sort of "TRP support group". We support each other on the path of swallowing the pill and we bitch about emotional burden this journey causes. It's really helpful and relieves the pressure and because they are going through the same thing - we really have the common understanding. With them I can be vulnerable from time to time that I have the strength to be be stoic for everyone else in my life.

[-] CainPrice 7 Points 2 months ago

If you don't mind my asking, where do you live and how were you raised?

I've spent the past 30+ being hammered with the message that it's okay to cry, critically important to be sensitive and in touch with my emotions, and that all of the supposedly classic "suck it up, boys don't cry" shit is outdated garbage. In fact, the only place I ever heard anything like that was on after school special TV shows and videos they'd show in health class to teach us all lessons about how wrong and ridiculous that sentiment is.

I had to literally unlearn all of that and man up just to get women to date me.

I've been arguing against idiots for years that this "toxic masculinity" garbage is some feminist myth and that absolutely nobody is being taught to act like a John Wayne movie. And here you are spouting literal feminist party line - life got hard and you weren't succeeding like a man, you were told your whole life to suck it up and bottle your emotions (in direct contrast to everything I've ever known or heard as a man for the past nearly 4 decades), had no friends to talk to and no support system, and we're too toxically manly to ask for help.

I'm curious where and how you were raised to turn into the literal feminist caricature of toxic masculinity. I've been hammered with the complete opposite for my entire life.

[-] DarkSyde3000 4 Points 2 months ago

I think a lot of that comes from whether or not both parents are in the home. I've found that a lot of guys who were raised by single moms are told those things because that's just how moms are. They're the nurturing type, want their sons to feel loved, but don't really condition them to prepare for what life is going to inevitably throw at them. They just don't know any better because they're not men. Fathers in the home tend to be the ones that toughen their sons up for those types of things (at least they're suppose to). They're the ones teaching them those unfair lessons. Telling them to stop crying because the world isn't going to give a shit about their feelings (and it's true), don't be lazy, stand up for what you believe in, don't take shit from anybody, tons of chores, extreme discipline in some cases, it all depends. There's nothing in society that's worse than an entire generation of weak men. Just the same though, sometimes that same society (court system especially in cases of divorce) stretch and pull those men to their breaking points where posts like what we're reading here eventually happen. I was raised similarly to OP (dad was Navy, uncle was Navy, other uncle was Marine) and it has served me well, but I've also chosen not to become married and have kids because I think it's man's ruin, due to the deck being stacked against us.

[-] CainPrice 3 Points 2 months ago

That's a manosphere myth. Single moms aren't teaching their boys sensitivity. Single moms lack sensitivity. I was raised in a stable two parent home in the 80s and 90s. So were all of my friends growing up.

The few kids from divorce homes were the violent school bullies. Kids with dads were the sensitive ones.

Single moms are stressed out and self important, have the highest incidences of child abuse (especially against boy children), and tend to produce thugs, not passive wimps.

If anything, being raised in a good, stable home with a comfortable life made boys more womanly, not more manly.

[-] DarkSyde3000 2 Points 2 months ago

I don't know, I think we're both right and from the same generation to boot. I've seen the products of what I'm saying as well as from what you're saying. I've seen over protective moms who baby their kids to mothers who don't even give a shit where their kids are when the street lights come on or who they're with. I've seen mothers try to tell their sons that they're gay just so they can be cool on facebook with their other progressive friends, to telling their sons that they'll never amount to shit because mom never amounted to shit. Or telling their sons to cry whenever they want to them dating some abusive boyfriend who beats the shit out of their kid and they stay with the guy.

Times have certainly changed and if I'm being honest, I don't even understand wtf society has become anymore. Luckily I don't have any children so I have zero vested interest in attempting to comprehend the bullshit going on these days.

[-] CainPrice 2 Points 2 months ago

Like many/most things in society, this is probably a class issue.

The less money and education a family has, the higher likelihood of divorce, abuse, neglect, and thuggish male kids.

The wealthier and more educated the family, the lower the odds of divorce, and if divorce happens, mom has a comfortable support payment and helpful family, and dad still wants to be involved. So less abuse and neglect, more sensitivity.

[-] DarkSyde3000 1 Point 2 months ago

I concur. Both can be harmful in their own ways.

[-] McDosey 3 Points 2 months ago

Super interesting take. I was raised in Canada, 41 now, and feel like I got programmed from birth to be sensitive, obsequious and accommodating. I never felt inculcated by ideas of cliched "classic" masculinity even though I had two brothers and for years played hockey and other sports that can tend to promote those attitudes. I was taken aback when selfish, cocky morons monopolized female attention in high school, college and beyond. How did they become that way when I had seemingly been trained by the state and society to never be? Still baffles my mind.

[-] silent_dominant 1 Point 2 months ago

I think there's a balance one must find between not being a crying man child and being honest with yourself.

Surpressing your emotions, no matter how weak you think they make you, will not turn op well in the long run.

The modern hype name for this is mindfulness I think, but the core idea is correct I believe.

[-] CainPrice 1 Point 2 months ago

What you just said is part of the problem.

Modern psychology thinks that there is one proper way to process our emotions: the female way.

You emote strongly, you talk about your feelings with your support network who doesn't judge you or advise you and offers you only unconditional positive regard, you see a therapist, and if they're strong emotions, you take prescribed happy pills. That's the female way of processing their emotions.

And the modern idea is that if a man isn't doing exactly that, then he's not processing his emotions. He's not dealing with them. He's just bottling them up until he snaps and shoots up a school or kills himself, all thanks to toxic masculinity ruining his life because his hyper-masculine father, his high school bullies, and all of society allegedly told him that real men act like a John Wayne movie even though society's been telling men the exact opposite for well over half a century.

The notion that men deal with their emotions completely differently than women and that it's okay to be men and handle your emotions the male way is invalid in modern psychology. If you're not emoting like a female, in modern times, that means you're doing it wrong thanks to masculinity.

[-] silent_dominant 1 Point 2 months ago

What I meant was you have to come to terms with your emotions internally. Acknowledge that they're there without having to act upon them externally, but also without surpressing or ignoring them.

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I never mentioned emoting strongly or talking to other people about them, let alone taking happy pills.

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What's your idea of "Handling your emotions the male way"?

[-] jbpostv 7 Points 2 months ago

I think the same should be said about homicide. Women are glorifying ted bundy for being hot/handsome and charming over his new documentary. Now we’ve got even worse with Zach Efron’s movie to really get the tingles going. If you watch the Netflix documentary you’ll see he had a girl defend him in court and agree to marry him during a trial for the murder of several women. He also had many women come to watch because it was “fascinating”. When men see women get excited about characters like Ted Bundy, The Beast from Beauty and The Beast and Christian Grey, men wonder if kindness, good will, honorable purpose and decency mean anything at all. Why aim towards anything less than remorseless narcissism if women get the tingles for defacto psychopathic individuals and animals. Leads to suicide, but stay alive my friends.

[-] DarkSyde3000 3 Points 2 months ago

I see what you're saying but I look at it a bit differently. In the instances you mentioned I basically just see that as a bunch of batshit crazy women who are making their mental condition known publicly. We know to stay the hell away from them. Actually a nice gesture by them when you think about it lol. We usually don't find those things out about them until it's too late.

[-] Verne42 6 Points 2 months ago

I've been diagnosed with depression and had prescribed drugs and all... I think I can relate to you. Making REAL male friends os a good thing, but I want to highlight also to read the stoics Read Marcus Aurelius' Meditations, os Seneca's Letters to Lucillius The stoic philosophy will help you deal with life. It has done so with me

[-] KanDeMan2 3 Points 2 months ago

This....Stoicism helps....

Also...as weird as this sounds...the movie "A Beautiful Mind" helped me....Those voices are there....they will always be there....but they can be kept at bay and on the periphery.

[-] tteezzkk 3 Points 2 months ago

Yep even simple shit like choosing to focus only on things that you can control goes a long way. Simple but wise, commonsense but not always.

[-] TruthSeekingPerson 6 Points 2 months ago

That's true. Men should primarily seek social validation from other men.

Taking the red pill can be traumatic because it turns your belief system upside down. You have to fight through it and develop a new belief system. Validate yourself and you will probably never feel suicidal again.

[-] mrkica007 5 Points 2 months ago

I am a suicide attempt survivor. In November 2017 I swallowed 170 sleeping pills. I had a knife next to my bed to slit my own throat in case I woke up. My flatmates found me with non existent heart beat. Paramedics defibrillated and intubated me and somehow brought me back with no permanent brain damage. Next afternoon I woke up in the hospital.

My uni, University of Stirling, got me a mental health mentor that I was meeting twice a week. Talking to somehow professional truly helped. 3 months after the attempt I got off antidepressants. I made sure to wake up at the same time and keep myself busy. I was gymming every day and quit social media.

I haven’t been depressed for the past 7 months. I’m stronger than ever both physically and mentally. I’m getting good marks. I’m changing things to better with every day. It does get better, you just have to believe it no matter what.

Depression makes you feel like you are its bitch but you have to take control and make depression your bitch. Stay strong!

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[-] tempolaca 1 Point 2 months ago

Most try to fuck their friend's girlfriends and are generally shit.

wtf, which kinds of friends are you getting, mate?

[-] DarkSyde3000 2 Points 2 months ago

Glad you're still with us my man, life can be a dirty, ungrateful little bitch sometimes, but we don't want her to divorce us. That being the case though, you bring up good points. There's a lot of men out there who want to become better, stronger, more educated in various things, get out of the rat race, and create true change in their lives and nobody's there to listen or even comment. There's something profound about men going out and doing man shit somewhere. Shooting the shit over a few drinks to fishing, shooting, whatever but it has to happen. Most get so involved in their own lives with family and obligation they don't think to maybe see how their buddies are doing and actually plan something. My closest friends are all out of state so we plan something twice a year to meet up, relax, hang out, go somewhere, whatever. It's important. Solitude and strength is fine, but social interaction with like minds is imperative. If you haven't reached out to some of your boys in a while, do so. They might be going through some shit like OP was and need an ear to listen for a bit but don't want to actually call or instigate the conversation. You might end up saving a life.

[-] Granite_Pill 2 Points 2 months ago

After going to a number of funerals of people that were either murdered, killed in accidents, or committed suicide, I realized that suicide devastates the living more than anything else. Your friends and family pay the price, not you. This is why I don't self-terminate. I can't offer much, but the least I can do is not kill myself for the sake of my family. I won't do that to them.

Would you do that to your children? Orphan them? Would make your parents incinerate or bury their child?

Also, one thing I've learned about life is it's not always about how hard you can hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. When it comes to intellectuals, people who are self-aware, people that think deeply, it really is true what they say: only the strong survive.

[-] xerotolerance879 2 Points 2 months ago

I’ve been going through depression too and I can say that I can relate to you. Keep going on.

[-] SalporinRP 2 Points 2 months ago

I'm not gonna go as far as to say I was close to suicide but when I discovered this community I was in the midst of a deep depression.

Due to financial reasons I ended up finishing my college career as a commuter student and it was miserable. I had just gotten my heart broken, all my friends from home were away at school, all my friends from my former school were 3 hours away. Obviously I had group chats but it's just not the same when you can't hang in person.

My life just was classes and video games. I fell into the worst rut.

What got me out of it was that a good friend of mine moved back to my hometown. He was a personal trainer so he motivated myself to get up early 5-6 days a week and lift with him at 8am.

He honestly helped turn my life around. Got me back into lifting after a 6 month layoff. And he was from Eastern Europe so while he's never been to this site he was naturally RP. So I could just talk to him about all the shit we talk about on here. We'd also go out on the weekends to the bars/clubs and game girls together.

Like you said having that support network is crucial.

[-] RPSilverfox 2 Points 2 months ago

Stay strong man and always keep your children as your priority to keep moving forward no matter what. I’ve seen some dark days myself and my son is the number one reason I’m as strong as I am today (he’s 18 now and off at college). For anyone else reading this avoid oneitis at all costs. This can be a girl or a job. We hear of stories all the time about guys committing suicide after a breakup/divorce or loss of a job. Never be that invested in any woman for your happiness and always have a plan B if your job were to end tomorrow. This is why you see a lot of posts recommending to focus on yourself first, start a side business, learn the stock market, etc. If your girl walks or your job ends it should have no impact on your emotional well being. Expect it to happen and be ready ahead of time.

[-] northernlaner 2 Points 2 months ago

I was and still am in a similar situation to you. I was super depressed and lonely after breaking up with my ltr for being cheated on because I had become complacent in our relationship. She went out and started riding the cc while I've been alone in my apartment working on myself. The one thing that truly helped me was going to the gym everyday and getting in shape. I still have a ways to go but have lost 30 lbs since then. I also started Brazilian jiu jitsu and had a whole bunch of new friends. I really recommend trying jiu jitsu that might of been the biggest thing this sub directed me to that has saved my life. The friends you make through that seem to be very genuine people because not only do you have to trust them with your limbs they have to trust you with theirs.

[-] tillbloodonthehand 2 Points 2 months ago

Women attempt suicide at a higher rate than men But the majority of completed suicides is more Male. So Like everything else, men are better at suicide than women.

Joking aside. Is it really surprising to anyone that men are "better" at suicide?

Lower to non existent support network

Higher risk takers

Generally use more efficient methods

Taught that depression is a woman condition, not a man. - so even if we have a support network, cant bring it up.

It's generally harder to talk yourself out of a conclusion you reached through logical reasoning process, [this doesn't mean the reasoning is rational], so once a man has decided, he has decided.

I could probably list a lot more reasons if I thought more about it.

And don't count on any woman to be any kind of direct emotional help. your wife will begin to cheat on you. even your own mother will begin to shit test you when she sees your weakness and try to sabotage you when you make progress. This is just my own experience and i have never bothered trying to learn how common/true this actually is.

[Edited to make formatting easier to read, first post on reddit ever]

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[-] light-----------dark 2 Points 2 months ago

A good friend of mine holds a men’s group once a week for us to get together and share our thoughts and feelings. I truly admire this man for the space he holds for us to show up authentically.

All it takes is one person to hold space for others to come together.

Any one of us can be that one person.

Wishing you well, my friend.

[-] Smerdakas 1 Point 2 months ago

Suicide rates are, and will always be higher for men. Although suicidal thoughts are more common in women (due to their emotional impulsiveness), it's also more common for women to chicken out in the last minute or to change their mind (emotional impulsiveness, again). Men, on the other hand, don't lose focus so easily... Also, the violence of the methods chosen by men are another big factor: A suicidal woman is more likely to choose pills overdose or cut her veins, methods that are slow and can be often treated as a medical emergency. A suicidal man is on the other hand more likely to shoot himself or jump off a cliff, meaning that there's no way back... (I know all that from a housemate who's doing a Ph.D. on the statistics of suicides) It's interesting to see how different men and women are even in the ways they choose to die, despite all the BS the gender studies idiots say.

(To clarify, I agree with the message of this post. There's no shame at all in asking for help, and I wish male suicide rates were lower)

[-] anonymoustrper 1 Point 2 months ago

It would be an interesting beer conversation to have with your house mate.

[-] yourfatherx 1 Point 2 months ago

Being depressed is normal. The extent and duration varies from person to person, but it is something I believe almost everyone experiences.

It can be tough at times, but without lows how can a person be expected to experience highs?

[-] Acerp321 1 Point 2 months ago

I hate to admit that I can relate. It’s the emotional mind run away. Those feelings can be so damn strong under the right circumstances. Fortunately for me and those that care about me my logical mind was still telling me that this is irrational, and like you, I just have to make it through this time or day.

This stuff is infinitely complicated. I could blame my parents who tried their best but weren’t there for me emotionally. I could blame society in the US for pushing all this PC and Feminine BS so hard that even someone like me who knew it was BS said “what if” and crushed my confidence.

At the end of the day you need something deep down inside that assures you that you will be just fine, and this too shall pass. Seems to be a developed skill to me. Still working on it.

Similar to the way you have to realize a woman can’t love you the way you want it, you have to realize nobody actually gives a fuck about you the way you wish they did. Maybe your parents if you are lucky. It’s all you man. I feel like many men aren’t selfish enough and should be. I also think men get the job done with suicide bc they don’t feel like anybody actually COULD solve their problems, much less want to. Women receive help with every aspect of their lives throughout and hold out for it.

I have days or periods in the last year where I felt the world could crumble around me and knew I’d be fine. Sure wish I could hold onto that mindset. Life’s problems that most of us are dealing with actually aren’t shit.

[-] BlackPillDiet 1 Point 2 months ago

Sometimes suicide is a good idea and an actual solution. What if you are born 5'1'', ugly, fucked and Pajeet? You are DONE. Suicide and hope for reincarnation in that case is smarter than suffering.

[-] DeGENZerate 1 Point 2 months ago

This is The Red Pill. Ultimately it gives guys a chance to see the truth, and when the truth hurts and you find yourself in a bad place we've got a collective to philosophically consider the options. Use this network

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[-] kingofgambling123 -3 Point 2 months ago

Just kill yourself. There are billions of people in the world. Nobody gives a fuck. You are only relevant to your daughters.