It’s obvious that apps such as Tinder, Bumble, Hinge, etc. overwhelmingly advantage women (and can also benefit high status males).
Women with the 3 attributes men seek (attractiveness, youth, and fertility) have literally thousands of matches (I’ve seen this first hand from a female friend). All this does is reinforce their proclivity for hypergamous impulses with this constant supply of men at their fingertips provided by these apps. Monkey branching is now easier than ever before.
It’s no secret that women can have sex whenever they choose—this is not an accomplishment of any sort. Compound this with the fact that thirsty betas rigorously throw themselves at these women on these apps. All this does is exponentially inflate their ego and worth so much so that it is degrading society into an amalgamation of a radical feminist matriarchy.
Men are becoming more feminine whereas women are becoming more masculine. This culture shift pushed by MSM outlets (praising single motherhood, attacks on heterosexual males, degradation of the family) has created a generation of man hating, masculine, ego inflated, and promiscuous female population. All this while quantitative data shows Western women are more unhappy than ever (https://www.nber.org/papers/w14969.pdf)
With so many options, women are never satisfied as they constantly have exposure to an unlimited supply of males.
Male scarcity is usually what it takes to return women to a traditional and healthy patriarchy, and not surprisingly women’s happiness skyrockets (see post World War II). If two tribes of 10k men fight and the winner kills all 10 k men, the 5,000 men who survived now have access to 20,000 females, assuming equal men and women numbers in each tribe (turd flinging monkey analogy on YT). This scarcity now creates competition between women and returns them to their natural feminine state as theoretically each man has 4 women to choose from.
Remember what Michael Hopf stated, “Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” Women are happiest and families are strongest with strong men. I’ll let you deduce where we are currently at in our saeculum.
I’m not saying I want a massive dying off of men, but I do think men are perpetuating women’s current state by participating in these apps. I don’t blame women for their hypergamous nature. Biology is biology, but men are letting them get away with all the bullshit we see today.
What do you think? Do these apps have utility or are they contributing to the current culture?
Edit: My fear is the strong, truly masculine men that are subscribing to MGTOW and to TRP philosophy will not reproduce and instead more generations of weak men and miserable women will be bred, further degrading society.
tempolaca 5y ago
This happened 100 years ago in Paraguay. Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay basically decimated all the male population of Paraguay in the "Triple Alliance war", it was a massacre.
There were entire towns only compromised of women and children. As a result, 100 years later, paraguayan girls are one of the most feminine girls you can find in Latin America. They also look all the same, and they fuck like if their life depended on it.
tempolaca 5y ago
Welcome to mammal life since 100 millions years ago.
Aurora921 5y ago
Honestly, some of my best plates were from Tinder. Women who knew how to fuck, who gave me their all while demanding no commitment. These were absolutely random matches, maybe after months of flakes, unmatches and dates that went nowhere. The number 1 rule of dating apps is being honest with yourself: If you want a blonde barbie doll you better bring top-notch aesthetics and some fun to the table. If not, lower your standards. And yes, in Western countries these apps are more and more flooded with delusional landwhales, which sucks. Still moved to a new place and got a wonderfully reliable plate just a few days in off Tinder.
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Psychological_Radish 5y ago
Well you said it yourself - they're useful for high value men. I've used Tinder and Bumble with a large measure of success and enjoyment.
That said, I have no doubt that dating apps have an overall deleterious effect on society.
VanityKings 5y ago
Lol no.
The 20,000 women will just end up competing for the top 500 men out of the 5000 left.
What women need now is to not be needed. VR and sexbots will remove the option of a beta bux provider for a lot of post wall women soon enough, just imagine how difficult it will be for women when even the most beta of men don't want anything to do with them.
bigflame123 5y ago
Do you really think VR and sex bots will take off like that though? I’m skeptics as to how much of an impact it would even have on the dating market?
VanityKings 5y ago
Yeah dude 100%.
The current top of the line VR graphics are already pretty crazy, imagine how they will look in 5 years, and then 10.
I'm going to try to reiterate what some great man before me once said; "Why would I deal with Carol and her nagging and constant shit tests for occasional starfish sex when I can get a turbo power blowjob 3000 from a different girl every night?"
I would definitely consider it myself so long as my dick is insured ????
PIQAS 5y ago
baby boom generation happened because men died in world wars and then there were a big ratio of women to men.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
I did pretty well on Tinder/Bumble. I'm good looking and fit but not absurdly so. Your pics probably suck.
22oregon22 5y ago
6’2’’ 200 pounds, make six figures with grad level doctorate, Blonde hair blue eyes. Lifting since puberty.
Believe me, I would do fine on these apps but do just as well irl.
I choose not to utilize these self aggrandizing validation tools that women exploit for reasons stated in my post. Organic interactions that require you to step out of your comfort zone a little will bring you better interactions and higher quality women IMO.
May I ask what utility you see in these apps besides getting laid?
Crimson_Medicinal 5y ago
What point is there in interacting with women at all if it isn’t getting laid? What’s the difference if I can be successful with tinder? What does it matter?
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mental_models 5y ago
The world should be your personal playground.
Not sure why the politics of dating aps is triggering you whatsoever.
22oregon22 5y ago
“Triggering?” I had the inclination to do a write up after a discussion with a friend earlier today about the state of dating apps. Thought I would share my thoughts. Not sure why you think I am “triggered” in any way but I guess you are entitled to your opinion.
mental_models 5y ago
To be fair, I am biased on the subject. I've cringed SO MANY TIMES at mediocre dudes writing a case against why dating aps etc... have 'rigged' the game against them. These guys aren't out banging several 4's and 5's and climbing their way up the plate ladder while simultaneously lifting, networking, and earning... They are jerking off and then writing caffeine-fueled DISSERTATIONS on why life is unfair... I mean, yea, no, the dating aps ARE rigged, as is a lot of consumerism based stuff in our current times, but these guys are TRULY dedicated to making a case against themselves...
So yea, I wrongly assumed you were one of these losers. But you won the genetic lottery AND can offer financial security. You have a pair of aces... With even the most basic red pilled generalities your attributes should be netting 8s a few times a year, and shuffling/organizing/turning-away a 'RELENTLESS ZOMBIE ARMY' of post-wall 6and7's...
Just caught me by surprise that a gifted successful dude had time or inclination to rant on this subject.
Props. Get back to fun.
tchower 5y ago
Would you ever see a rockstar on any of these apps or a famous athlete or actor? Maybe woman will feel like they are rockstars and famous if they use it, but of course not, which is why I do not use it and probably never will again. Meet bitches in person for maximum results. The immigrants and poor on welfare and benefits will out populate and out produce us in reproduction.
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daniellederek 5y ago
Jacob lead singer of headly (canadian band) did quite well on tinder till he was mee tooed. He liked rough trade and girl withdrew consent after the fact.
Leave no trail lads.
tchower 5y ago
Yeah not only being accused of rape by an underage girl, but it’s very rare for celebrities and stars to use it than the average guy trying to get laid. High Status males don’t need it, it’s more for woman seeking validation at this point in time.
johnnight 5y ago
This is imprecise. Communication technology is giving us an unlimited consumerist look at things that we CAN'T have. Luxury cars, yachts, swimsuit models, etc. "Look, but don't touch" is was is making us unhappy. Women don't have an unlimited supply of high-quality males, just average males.
For your own mental health, you should NOT SEE that which you CAN'T GET.
TruthSeekingPerson 5y ago
We need to start sterilizing people who have kids and go on welfare. The disincentives are disgusting, welfare queens get more money for having kids they can't support. At some point society is going to have to hold people responsible. Only the poor and rich are reproducing. The poor have nothing to lose. The rich can afford to get divorce raped. The middle class can't afford to risk it, the men will get divorce raped and most households need two wage earners anyway.
RedKingRising 5y ago
The bible teaches that the poor will always be with you. Stop worrying about them. They are a problem that has solved itself since the dawn of time. Every country has always had the poor, they always will. The best thing you can do is not be one of them.
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grandmasbroach 5y ago
You don't NEED 2 incomes... Hell, my ex wife is doing just fine with a part time job and all the child support I pay. ????????
I joke, but I do miss all that money.
CasaDeFranco 5y ago
The concern is the middle class is being eroded, it's a lie. Most people who think they're middle class are wage slaves.
Financial independence takes a lot of hard work, networking and fucking luck nowadays.
daniellederek 5y ago
Agreed dipro shot before every 4th welfare check and not working 25 hours a week Sept to June after youngest turns 6 has check docked. I guarentee a lot of these fiercely independent women would be knocked down a few knot he's.
CarthaginianSalt 5y ago
woah slow down you sound like Nazi Germany No need to fucking sterilise them Jesus. . A better suggestion may be you don't qualify for welfare if you continue to have kids on it.
TruthSeekingPerson 5y ago
So then the kids starve? I totally agreed with your point until recently but the bottom line is society is getting more and more reckless and there are going to be changes. Hell, maybe the men should be sterilized if they have kids they can't support. Let's DNA test all kids so we know the real parents and the men who can't support the get sterilized or put in jail. Or maybe both the men and women. But something is going to have to change.
CarthaginianSalt 5y ago
yeah i see where your coming from i thought you meant sterilise women on welfare. sterilising the men thought yeah that would be a revolution.
Merica911 5y ago
Or.. You just move out of the country
VisibleTheory 5y ago
It will just spread to where ever you move to.
shaggyctes88 5y ago
The European Caliphate Is going to get worse, Canada has worse divorce-rape laws and Latam Is getting progressively worse as we are sadly adopting feminist bullshit
TruthSeekingPerson 5y ago
I might if things keep going this way. More likely I'll continue to do what I'm doing. Europe might be in worse shape than we are, Canada too.
Atheist_Utopia 5y ago
As a western european, I can safely deny. The horror stories about the US feminism I read here are non-existent in this country. So it's good to move to Europe if you are planning to do so.
TruthSeekingPerson 5y ago
I would love to but what about the yellow vests?
Atheist_Utopia 5y ago
In my country (the Netherlands) they don't exist lol.
TruthSeekingPerson 5y ago
I'll have to visit some day.
CasaDeFranco 5y ago
I've killed it on apps, but just as you noted; you have to be high status and not need them; as do most women. After awhile the chase becomes boring, and most women there are simply not high value.
Sometimes however the best way to play the game is not play at all.
Men who decide to concede society to women, to enjoy the decline or simply check out entirely to a life of solitude aren't going to inherit the earth; what makes men broadly speaking is to take the world on our shoulders. To sow oak seeds that shelter our children, lay stone that will house families after we pas, to reproduce and have families that will carry a legacy.
It's very difficult to deprogram someone from their inate biological imperatives, that is go forth and multiply.
22oregon22 5y ago
Have you considered stopping the apps? May mean less pussy but possibly more meaningful and satisfying pussy from real world interactions?
Sirkisskindofman 5y ago
No. He may claim no chase is boring, but dating and mating habits are still a zero sum game. Less pussy for me means more pussy for you and that's not gna happen. Most everything here teaches you about the knife and the best ways to use it as a tool, but have you noticed nobody really talks about what happens when the knife is on a table in the middle of the room and you're not alone?
CasaDeFranco 5y ago
I found that the quality of the women, particularly of the good looking ones on apps was low; they typically didn't have much substance like values, good families or a strong direction in life. They literally were just physically attractive, which is how one really filters on these applications; sub-second decision on a photo or two.
Additionally spending a few hours with 2-3 plates a week meant I was investing time in women who although satisfied me on one level; I really didn't enjoy their company otherwise - they were trash and I realised I was too in spending my time with them.
I started dating women I met through other networks, student association balls, Opus Dei functions, sailing and running events, the quality of the women was infinitely higher and the degree of green flags was rather surprising.
I realised one thing in this pursuit, class is a massive factor; I can talk about this further but until this point I assumed class differences weren't such strong drivers.
The second was women come to you, the time I invested in tail I instead invested in my business and in personal development. I noticed after I presented at a conference, or after I would post about being recongised in a publication or something like Forbes, women would cold call me.
EumenesOfEfa 5y ago
Your school sounds posh, mine has just one new years ball and that's it.
Good idea about sailing! I did rowing and loved it. I just need something more technical, so maybe sailing would be the right water-sport for me.
Class is indeed a factor. Once enough time is spent with such a women, it is much harder to go back.
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CasaDeFranco 5y ago
It’s a University society, my secondary education was so-so. But extend yourself to other networks and associations.
Sailing a great sport to get in - teamwork, a great community of older men with wealth / experience, you can learn quickly and most crews are looking for new hands.
Gr0o0vy 5y ago
it is addiction that is starting to be more and more of an issue, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccSlmbu0a-0
GEN_GOTHMOG 5y ago
I ditched them all recently for the reasons you mention.
As a low value male all I can do is better myself in practical ways. I have 3 businesses (a product of zero interaction with women, I'm sure) and my life is excellent. I'm genuinely happy.
Of course, I'd love to be able to fulfil my sexual needs but that would require conceding my time and efforts to women, something I don't wish to do as the fruits of my efforts spent elsewhere are more important.
CasaDeFranco 5y ago
You can do both. I run two businesses and I found that the exposure and engagement from these mean women chase me. It's useful to try to build your profile, speak at conferences, write and get published every other month (journaling really helped me here), and secondly, it helps to acquire talent.
In my industry women are rare (technology) but I've been able to plate reporters, lawyers etc in the periphery on my business network that I don't engage with directly - this isn't shitting where I eat. Often, young female professionals, are just as busy and find plate arrangements beneficial, as long as you manage expectations.
Additionally, mentors are invaluable. I've dated women from advisor networks from good families; much better quality and they usually have the same values; i.e education, large families, legacy etc.
EumenesOfEfa 5y ago
How is that don't shit where you eat? only one accusation is enough. Are you not afraid of some reporter trying to make it big by writing a hit piece on you? or a lawyer screaming "RAPE" you to make place for more female empowerment in the male dominated tech marketplace?
CasaDeFranco 5y ago
Relax son.
It’s the periphery of my network, not an employee. In a city like San Francisco try meeting a women outside of the tech ecosystem.
At least this way I can exploit an increased SMV and vet from mutual contacts.
I am indeed aware of the risks of engaging with women, I spinned plates mostly but there is practices one can do, vet plates, have a security system in your apartment, get post sex confirmation in text, know your rights and have a good lawyer etc. You can’t eliminate the risk just mitigate it.
In the grand scheme things there are other things I’m more worried about than women.
EumenesOfEfa 5y ago
Look at importing trim. They will love you!
EumenesOfEfa 5y ago
I live in a big city on the Rhein in Germany. The quality of women on Tinder is much lower both in looks and intellect compared to the average girl I can meet at the veggie stand in an upmarket supermarket.
PreMinister90 5y ago
That's the same here in Haarlem, the Netherlands ;)
Testinat0r 5y ago
The quality dropped majorly since a year or two. Before that, tinder was a godlike app for top 5%. Not even bragging, but me.
Groeten uit Nijmegen pik.
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PreMinister90 5y ago
Gozer! Ik kan wel een wingman gebruiken ouwe, interesse?
oooKenshiooo 5y ago
Hamburg is pretty decent still.
EumenesOfEfa 5y ago
No, I am not based in Hamburg. My city is like the German Detroit. There are, however, still many cute girls at the supermarkets.
oooKenshiooo 5y ago
Yeah, I understood. Fellow German hier. ;)
atticusfinch1973 5y ago
These apps are a major part of the reason women are entitled even when they aren't attractive. Used to be a woman had to be high value, super attractive or go to a nightclub to receive massive attention from men and even then it was competitive.
Now any woman can go on an app and find hundreds of guys who will give her attention for free and she doesnt have to settle for the castoffs her hot friend used to let her have.
bigflame123 5y ago
This is the main draw of the app, the app is focused on giving woman that validation boost while promising easy lays for men which is a fucking lie
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
Any average* woman too for fucks sake. I’d say a woman who is a 4/10 on dating apps gets the same amount of attention as a 9/10 male. It’s insane
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22oregon22 5y ago
Concise and truth. Well said my friend.
oooKenshiooo 5y ago
Let me add to that wisdom:
Hard times are good times for strong men.
Become one of those men and the world is your oyster - and Tinder will be your candy store.
Hjalmbere 5y ago
IMHO Tinder is mostly for plates/ONS. I’ve banged lots of chicks from Tinder but I’ve only come across exactly one woman I deemed worthy of an LTR. Don’t get me wrong, it’s great fun if you have lots of spare time and you’re in a new city, but after a while the matches taper off and the opportunity cost increases.
bigflame123 5y ago
In my view, the women on dating apps are the ones not worthwhile being with anyways?
grandmasbroach 5y ago
Worthwhile being in bed with is about it.
itsjustsimon- 5y ago
Just don’t LTR them.
If a good looking woman is on Tinder it’s because:
She’s looking for Instagram followers
She’s in the middle of CC
Be careful with the ones who have only selfies of their face. They’re usually fat.
And yes to everyone saying there are some good women out there on Tinder, but the chances for this are so miniscule that you’ll be better just to disregard your search for the Unicorn and not expect anything.
Tinder is booty call app for top 5% of good looking guys, while everyone is paying a subscription for a hope to land some landwhale. 95% of people there are cockholding for the top guys. That’s it.
I’m not even going into details what this unlimited supplies of dicks do to women long term pair-bonding abilities.
Time will tell, but the best thing you can do is to invest in companies that supply food for cats.
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itsjustsimon- 5y ago
Unsuccessful men on Tinder paying so that App can function and exist meanwhile a 5% don't have to pay anything to fuck a different chick every other day.
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itsjustsimon- 5y ago
Yeah, that's normal, same with me and everyone I know.
Tinder will show you women that will very likely swipe you right in the beginning to hook you up on the app. It's just pure business, so you get addicted to swiping.
I use gold just for anonymity. I don't believe gold will give you more matches.
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itsjustsimon- 5y ago
Anonymity in a sense that only women I swiped right can see my profile.
If I see some chick from my social circle I never swipe right even if I have a feeling that she could be a good lead. I believe being on Tinder will lower your social value if people from your social circle know you're there. It's even worse for women. I only talk about it with my "PUA friends".
I think you can delete your profile and start again but not sure ( just check on google ). Make sure you get the numbers from good leads before you do that. I also think it's a good practice to do this once in a while.
yomo86 5y ago
Amen brother. When you are in your late teens, early 20s fuck what you are able to pull. Just don't get entrapped in the 'I am on this app to find love' spin, many women play to get the best of two worlds ie being treated as precious and being a cheap fuck doll for Chad who is hopefully you.
bigflame123 5y ago
I’ve noticed that if you don’t pay for boosts and your not a %5 Male, you will barely get any matches. When I used to use boost I used to get like 3 matches a day and even when boots tapered off I used to get regular matches
But now that I haven’t shelled out money in a while and haven’t been as active on the app as I used to it seems like my ELO score has gone down the drain even tho my subscription is still active?
Just goes to show how much of a scam the Gold subscription is
And the worst part is, even though I managed to eat a lot of numbers from girls, it’s always the case of messaging for ages and then when you finally ask to meet up they’re either busy or leave you on read or flat out ignore you and don’t open the message
In a nutshell: Tinder is just there to play on your thirst with instant gratification, giving you the illusion that it’s easier than night game (I’ve never done day game so can’t compare)
silent_dominant 5y ago
"Be careful with the ones who have only selfies of their face. They’re usually fat."
Truth
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Shoulders never lie
srsly tho can’t you tell the diff between a fatty face and a normal face
EumenesOfEfa 5y ago
Or Big Pharma. In between teenage diabetic patients, the old, and the depressed, these companies will never run out of costumers.
+1 for catfood comment
22oregon22 5y ago
Lmao on the cat comment. Agreed though, if you think you can have a real relationship with a woman from tinder you are delusional. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.
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daniellederek 5y ago
Remember. The only women on OLD have either exhausted all local resources. Are looking for something secret. Or just looking for an ego boost.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
That's not really true. They're pretty mainstream.
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