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I don’t care if you use a treadmill or the woods. I don’t care if it’s 20 minutes or a marathon. It can come in all shapes and sizes, but I can’t overstate it enough: get up off your ass and go for a run.

Here’s why.

  1. It gets you cut, and doesn’t disrupt muscle gain enough to matter. For whatever reason, bodybuilders are prone to avoid cardio—especially running—like the plague, convinced that a quick jog will eat away at their muscles and destroy their hard-earned gains. The reality, though, is that running has a definite place in a balanced workout plan. Running will burn off excess fat, and if you eat and lift right, it’ll leave more muscle and less fat. I was able to spend 6 weeks of this summer gaining 15 pounds, almost exclusively muscle, running 7 days a week and doing body-weight exercises like pull-ups and push-ups. (For a little bit of context here, I’ve always been skinny or skinny-fat because of a fast metabolism) I just kept my calorie intake way up, probably about 3000-3500 a day, which balanced out the calories burned on runs.

  2. It increases your joint strength and cardiovascular endurance When it comes to making your body tougher and more durable, running is tough to beat. You’re building up strong bones and joints, which will enhance everything from your deadlifts tomorrow to your health 30, 40, and 50 years down the line. Your cardiovascular endurance, another important factor in the workouts that get you ripped, is also going to go way up with running (important side note- run for at least 20 minutes if you can, that releases a protein that develops cardiovascular muscle tissue and strengthens your heart).

  3. It builds pain tolerance, clears your mind, and has an instant dopamine rush Running is as much of a mind game as it is a physical challenge, and its psychological rewards are just as great. I’ll be the first to admit that running sucks. Even the fittest people and the best runners out there are feeling the hurt- that’s the point. Running will help you develop mental toughness, an invaluable skill in every part of your life from business to bitches- and, you guessed it, back in our beloved Church of Iron. The time you take to run each day also gives some focus and clarity- the exertion and difficulty help you gain some much-needed focus. Some of my best ideas have come to me while I’m sucking wind on my way up a hill. Afterwards, you get hit with a perfect “runner’s high,” which allows you to make the next few hours positive and productive.

It bears repeating.

Just fucking run.

[-] whatdidshewrite 130 Points 2 months ago

Long distance running outdoors is one of the shittiest forms of cardio for your joints

[-] Banincoming 46 Points 2 months ago

I came to say this. Everyone I know who did running on pavement can barely stand now.

[-] heronmarkedblade1984 20 Points 2 months ago

Ran 5 days a week for 5 years in the Army, my knees and ankles took a beating.

[-] monsieurhire2 2 Points 2 months ago

What about the barefoot runners who ran on grass?

I did a stint of running a few years ago, doing the Couch to 5K and gradually worked my way up to 5K over a summer, running on grass at a nearby park, and occasionally sand. It actually seemed to toughen up my feet. But then the weather changed, and I had taken up dancing. I still wonder if I should have stuck with it, as long as I stayed on grass.

My friend's girlfriend used to play basketball and run on pavement, and now her knees are bone on bone, and the surgeries and shots did nothing, and she's in a lot of pain.

It seemed to me that running on pavement was a really bad idea, and possibly even a scam to injure a bunch of people and drum up business for all the sick-care professionals out there.

[-] BornShook 13 Points 2 months ago

Source? Personally I find that running on a treadmill aggrivates my feet a lot more. I have some minor tendonitis in my feet, and the two things that make it worse are running up steep hills, and treadmills.

[-] whatdidshewrite 11 Points 2 months ago

It depends on what you’re running on. The harder the surface, the harder the impact is that is absorbed by your joints. So if you’re running outside on grass, that’s not as bad as running on concrete (which is what I assume most people do when they ‘go for a jog’).

Running barefoot on sand for example, is really easy on your joints and is a good way to work muscles you don’t normally use.

Running up hills takes pressure off your joints and puts it on your muscles. The only reason I can think of it hurting you is if your tendons are stiff, since placing your foot on a steep incline stretches your calf.

If a treadmill hurts more than running on concrete, it must be a shitty treadmill (they’re supposed to have shock absorbers).

[-] BornShook 2 Points 2 months ago

I run on grass whenever I can. Definitly better on the knees.

[-] Andgelyo 3 Points 2 months ago

This is why I don’t do treadmill, that shit will bust your joints up, I already got a torn meniscus so I do the stepper

[-] BobbyPeru 9 Points 2 months ago

Long distance running outdoors is one of the shittiest forms of cardio for your joints

This. Wanna ruin your knees fast? RUN

[-] BarbarianPursuit 2 Points 2 months ago

That’s absolutely not true.

[-] TemporaryPhilosopher 7 Points 2 months ago

Agreed. It would be better to get a bicycle or go swimming in your spare time.

Cardio is good for your lifts. If you're finding yourself losing breath or having to take a small break in between reps during squats or deadlifts, you probably could help it by doing a small amount of cardio.

[-] LightSkinKen 2 Points 2 months ago

Exactly why I swim now

[-] prostitutemonger 2 Points 2 months ago

Agreed. 30-60 min on a treadmill is more than enough if you want to build endurance. Focus on weight training. And if you want to go outside, Just Do It.

[-] NotebookAnswer 2 Points 2 months ago

Well you can say about people who go gym too but the difference is that people who go gym and have good form don’t suffer and people who run with good form don’t suffer. If you land on your heel when running, you can say goodbye to your legs. But if you land on the ball of your feet. It’s all good. Ball of your feet cushions your landing. Landing on your heals messes your ankle and knees and potentially your hip.

[-] downvotesanimals 1 Point 2 months ago

Cycling, less so.

[-] warburgio 1 Point 2 months ago

swimming is better

[-] MammothPassenger -11 Point 2 months ago

Science disagrees with you, retard.

[-] atticusfinch1973 120 Points 2 months ago

I've been a running coach for 15 years. And even then I believe that long distance running is actually terrible for you long term unless you're adapted to it over a period of years (as some cultures are).

Most runners also do it way too much and all wrong in terms of form, which is why the rates of injury among runners is insanely high. It keeps me in business as a rehab coach. If you're young (as the OP obviously is) then you can get away with it. But once you hit a certain threshold the rate of injury skyrockets.

Interval work, short distance running and sprints are great for cardiovascular capacity, bone density and general fitness plus the endorphin rush you said, I don't disagree with you there.

And you didn't gain 15 pounds of muscle in 6 weeks.

[-] Gl0weN 29 Points 2 months ago

I doubt OP even runs. He probably came up with all this in the shower and was like'' hmmm this makes sense yeah''

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[-] Yakatonker 20 Points 2 months ago

At maximum a natural weight lifter will gain 3 pounds a month. The only way OP could possibly get 15 pounds of "muscle" in six weeks is by using TRT, and anabolic drugs.

A guy who's juiced can also literally gain more muscle being a chair warrior then a guy who goes and naturally pays his dues at the gym.

[-] tempolaca 7 Points 2 months ago

At most he gained 5 pounds of muscle and 10 pounds of water.

[-] SeriousProfit 6 Points 2 months ago

Yeah even with juice its very unlikely he gained 15 pounds of pure muscle in 6 weeks unless he was a beginner lifter and hopped on massive amounts of gear. Most likely just forgot to take AI and retained all the water he drank.

[-] KrakaLakak 2 Points 2 months ago

A guy who's juiced can also literally gain more muscle being a chair warrior then a guy who goes and naturally pays his dues at the gym.

Pretty sure that study is wrongly interpreted. Gaining weight(water, fat) more like, certainly not muscle.

[-] wiffofass 1 Point 2 months ago

I've tried both. There's no way it's true. I had a surgery and wasn't allowed in the gym for a while. I upped juice doses to maintain what I had but I still looked like I didn't lift after a while. You aren't building shit without training no matter what you take

[-] halfback910 2 Points 2 months ago

You can't even gain 15 pounds of fat in 6 weeks. He must have gained some combination of muscle, fat, water, and probably lies.

[-] McRoddy 3 Points 2 months ago

Yea that 15 pound shit I skipped all the way to the comments lmao. I started working out emaciated at 6 feet 125 pounds and 8 weeks of dedicating everything to bodybuilding took me to like 135.

[-] BlackPillDiet 1 Point 2 months ago

What kind of running you recommend? What about 3x a week running for 40-50 minutes to run 10 km or so? What is healthiest running for a non professional?

[-] redpill77 1 Point 2 months ago

I'm wanting to get back into running. Is there a good outline somewhere to properly adapt for it?

[-] atticusfinch1973 3 Points 2 months ago

Google Hal Higdon. His programs are excellent.

[-] linkofinsanity19 2 Points 2 months ago

Jack Daniel's running coach.

[-] max_peenor 1 Point 2 months ago

Body type also makes a big difference. I see lithe, shorter guys in their 70s still running. I had to stop in my 30s because I could tell my joints were getting pissed. Sure enough, I've already notched up two scopes on my knees. The key is to find something that doesn't pound the joints and admittedly being light helps that.

Of course, being light also means you aren't building strength and that's a whole other problem.

[-] THEdirtyDotterFUCKr 2 Points 2 months ago

I learned in the military that skipping is a helluva lot easier on the joints and significantly faster than walking. About par with jogging with a lot less effort.


I hate running, I figured out the above because I would barely pass the run portion of a PT test. I would sprint, get winded, walk a a few meters, sprint, repeat. One day I decided to skip instead of walk, and sprint every X seconds until I was winded, skip, repeat. Passed, do not recall my score.


For cardio, I jump rope. Unless I am the only one a bear is chasing or there is a million dollar giveaway, I sure as shit will not run again.

[-] SenorSwole 38 Points 2 months ago

Please don’t post about shit like this if you have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about

[-] SweatyAdvance 26 Points 2 months ago

I logged in just to tell you OP you a full of shit. This is a low quality post and the mods need to remove it.

It gets you cut

No, it doesn't. Calorie deficit gets you cut.

Running will burn off excess fat

Running doesn't burn as many calories as you think. Better jump rope, or stair climb.

I was able to spend 6 weeks of this summer gaining 15 pounds, almost exclusively muscle

No you didn't, you fuckwit.

I’ve always been skinny or skinny-fat because of a fast metabolism

You don't have a fast metabolism. You are normal, like everyone else.

Quit your bullshit OP. You know nothing. And this post is trash.

Mods, remove this garbage.

[-] whuttupfoo 3 Points 2 months ago

With a mile run you burn off as much calories as a can of soda is worth. Cutting the can of soda is the more efficient route if your goal is to lose weight.

[-] FKaroundNfindOUT 0 Points 2 months ago

3 minutes of HIIT burns as much as 30 jogging... so.

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[-] Truedemocracy4 1 Point 2 months ago

jump rope is better on the abdominal as well, and takes much less time.


As someone who lifts the only cardio i need are from 2-3 times a week strength classes at fitness studios. This isnt even that much cardio but stuff like burpees and mountian clmbers is more than enough for me

[-] GatienCash 16 Points 2 months ago

Who the fuck is upvoting this shit post? Long-term running does NOT strengthen your joints, it just fucks your knees.

[-] surfthroughlife 14 Points 2 months ago

Running a marathon was by far the most rewarding and challenging experience in my life. Whenever I'm in a tough challenge and discouraged, I remember that I ran 26.2 miles and tell myself I can do whatever the fuck I set my mind to.

[-] Andgelyo 4 Points 2 months ago

Bro 26.2 miles is fucking insane, you must’ve ate like a king after.

[-] surfthroughlife 1 Point 2 months ago

We trained our long distance runs on Saturday mornings and no joke, one of the best parts was having burned 1600 calories by 11 am and eating 3 breakfasts after.

[-] SeasonedRP 12 Points 2 months ago

I've read pros and cons of distance running, and have done various types of it throughout my training history. My ortho isn't a fan of it long term, and I've seen lots of runners my age need knee and hip replacements. People will counter with "you have to use proper form." Maybe. What I found effective with strength training was doing 1-2 mile runs twice or three times per week, and sometimes substituting 400 meter or 800 meter intervals. I never had any joint problems from doing this, and it kept me in good shape. Instead of doing this, those with enough time could go to a boxing or MMA gym twice a week and get an excellent cardio workout. For those whose primary focus is strength training and who desire doing some form of long, steady state cardio, I'd use an elliptical or bike instead of pounding my joints on the pavement for 5 miles or more. I don't know if there's anything to this or not, but it strikes me that a muscular 200 lb athlete would absorb a lot more force than a 130 lb distance runner, and thus the former should do different forms of cardio.

[-] Gl0weN 12 Points 2 months ago

I don't think you're experienced enough to talk about why body builders avoid running.

Running burns calories, to gain muscle and weight you need an excess amount of calories per day. 3000 calories, if you run that's around 2400 calories so not only do you not meet your goal but you do in fact hurt your muscle growth in the long run.

Pointless thread with useless ''facts''

[-] Andgelyo 11 Points 2 months ago

This doesnt apply to the fat fucks who eat like crap and have 30 % body fat which is most of America (assuming OP is American). I love to eat, so I do cardio. I also play basketball and lift 4-5x a week. Running is very beneficial for a person like me.

[-] Gl0weN 0 Points 2 months ago

Do you play rec basketball?

I don't see how running is beneficial for you if you already play basketball and lift 4-5 times a week. This applies to you as well considering you already run enough while playing basketball unless you play it like 1-2 times a week.

Actually it might be beneficial if you eat 4-5k calories a day which I doubt

[-] Andgelyo 1 Point 2 months ago

Pick up games and rec ball, although some of my friends who I’ve trained with have played AAU and college ball.

Running/cardio will help me drop body fat to be more lighter and athletic. It can also improve my endurance on the court. Lastly, if I train HIIT, I could be more explosive. Come on bruh.

Nearly all the great youtube fitness experts advocate HIIT training (Jeremy Ether and Athlean X for example).

[-] BlackPillDiet 11 Points 2 months ago


Hold Frame

Learn to shoot guns


Do boxing

Go to gym

Create your own business


Travel to cool places and make candid DSLR photos

Party hard

Be social

Go rock climbing

Learn to play the guitar

... can TRP finally make up their minds? There are only 24 hours in a day.

[-] Spacecataz777 8 Points 2 months ago

Idk I kinda like your list. Can we make it longer?

[-] ay013523 0 Points 2 months ago

Just do whatever the fuck interests you, dont do something just because its "red pill endorsed"

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[-] monsieurhire2 4 Points 2 months ago

To achieve true alpha autist, you must achieve mastery in all simultaneously within 1 year, then fuck the prom queen, or else you must execute the command /killself.

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[-] TheRedPike 9 Points 2 months ago

Leaving this up because of the replies, but I agree it's low effort and not well researched.

[-] Sumsar01 7 Points 2 months ago

Running is about the worst cardio you can do if your lifting seriusly. It's high impact so it will take a toll on recovery and your probably not that good at it.

[-] oldman_stone 6 Points 2 months ago

I ran every day in the marines 5+ miles sometimes two times a day becuse i was weak and could not keep up the people juicing. My body was wreaked because of it. it took around 1 year for my body to stop hurting and then another year to at least work out.

[-] Th3V3rg3 4 Points 2 months ago

Bike, running will fucking ruin your shit.

[-] WarriorMonkMode 4 Points 2 months ago

Swim. Better for your joints. Running long-term fucks up your joints over time.

[-] Andgelyo 4 Points 2 months ago

Was about to post something similar. Thanks OP. Running/cardio has numerous benefits since it’s make you lose body fat (faster) and actually makes you somewhat “smarter” (improved brain function). I run at least a mile after my work outs and feel amazing.

Edit: I do HIIT, since i play loads of basketball and my body has been conditioned well enough

[-] dukes1998 4 Points 2 months ago

Yeah, I highly doubt you put on 15 pounds of muscle in 6 weeks without gear or being a beginner. You also don’t “burn off more fat”. It doesn’t work that way.

Your other two points are solid, really no need to totally exaggerate the benefits of running in relation to putting on muscle and lifting because they’re totally different things and burning more calories during a bulk just means you have to eat more to make up for it.

[-] BobbyPeru 3 Points 2 months ago

I’ve found building leg muscle gets you cut much better than running. 2 days a week of heavy squats along with 1 day a week of leg extensions and leg curls will build a ton of muscle, increase your testosterone, speed up your motabolism, and get your abs ripped.

[-] graceful_aggression 3 Points 2 months ago

Rigorous commitment to any sport, and gruelling training will undeniably solidify your frame and confidence. I can attest to point #3 with respect to triathlon, something I recommend if anyone wants to try. There's a good saying... "it doesn't get easier, you just get faster". Most non-pro, serious triathletes are working people and can't train 15+ hours like pros do. You have to fit in something like a 7-10hour training schedule, which means with less volume, you train with higher intensity. You really dig deep into a well measured, scientifically-sensical pain-cave, you train your mind-body connection under serious strain, and will experience how long that final 5 minutes can be on an interval day. 5am sessions and 2x a day become a norm. Training is meditative and puts you in a flow state; taking that next stroke, that next breath, that next step when you run. You will swim in open water, and cold water will be second nature over time. Weight lifting is also incorporated and on a more aesthetic side, you get a lean, cut, toned muscular look that is functional. Training with a club also is incredibly motivating, knowing that like you, there are others who also dig into that same pain cave like you do. Definitely give some form of endurance sport a go!

[-] TRP8myfeels 3 Points 2 months ago

Running kick starts your brain in the morning and adds endurance and vitality to your day. I feel way better running every morning.


I wouldn't run more than 15 minutes though. I have been doing that for months now, today I started at 5 minutes. I am going to try that a week or two to see if I can use that extra five minutes lifting instead.

[-] Ronaldo-CR7- 3 Points 2 months ago

I get what your trying to say and I agree. However, your first point is a serious generalization and lacks details. Losing fat while not losing muscle is a lot more complex than you made it out to bed. The post is written with good intentions and is great advice but getting cut and retaining muscle is a lot more complicated.

[-] whataccent 3 Points 2 months ago

I almost exclusively cycle and use the elliptical as my primary workouts, as I rely on them when returning from a gym hiatus. I don't like the pounding of the treadmill and prefer short distances if running outside. I like to think I'm avoiding long-term damage, as the only pain I feel is the initial burn and when the hill setting on the elliptical is peaking. I transitioned from high cardio running to strenuous hill running, because the features were augmented. Last week I even did 65 minutes on the highest hill setting.

[-] purplecabbage 2 Points 2 months ago

I used to run. Felt great but I was concerned about my joints. Now I cycle and it's awesome.

[-] someonesopinion6969 2 Points 2 months ago

nope, there's a reason why TRP advocates lifting and not running.


running does feel fucking great on the legs but how much time and energy are you spending on replacing those calories? just get a job working in manual labour and you won't need to spend an hour running

[-] Truedemocracy4 1 Point 2 months ago

I've also seen marathon runners with absolute schlub bodies. Running is a womans game. Sure, it beats doing nothing if you're a guy but in terms of commanding respect from men and attraction from women running WILL NOT help you one bit

[-] slappysq 2 Points 2 months ago

Intervals ftw. Distance running is shit for gainz.

[-] MentORPHEUS 2 Points 2 months ago

I ran cross country in High School. Ended up with shin splints. Now that I'm older it's hard on my knees too.

I've taken up obstacle course races the last couple of years. These are a great whole body physical challenge, and you're running for at most a mile between obstacles.

[-] SalporinRP 2 Points 2 months ago

I wish I could stop long-distance running. I'm training for boxing and I fucking hate distance running but I have to build up a better cardio base.

I know that I'm in the process of fucking up my knees by the time I'm 55.

[-] snowmoose1 2 Points 2 months ago

You cannot apply this training form to all types of people. A professional bodybuilder wouldn’t run because they do incline on a treadmill for 45min 3 times a week. You burn more fat than running consistently. Sprinting, HIIT intervals are most efficient cause you get proper fat burn for some hours after the training. It boils down to what you want to achieve. You don’t need cardio to get jacked. 80% of your results come from your hard work in the kitchen. Eat lean and clean and lift heavy you can skip running. Clears your mind as good as.

[-] teabagabeartrap 2 Points 2 months ago



please search and replace everything with cycle and I'm ok... except the hurt part. Cycling doesn't hurt :)

[-] linkofinsanity19 2 Points 2 months ago

Jack Daniel's Running coach has a book called Daniel's Running Formula. It outlines the principles to making an effective running program. It got me to a faster mile now at 153 lbs than I could get 9 years ago in HS track at 135. I only run 3 days a week. I train for a fast mile and at most hit 15 miles in a week and my joints don't hurt.

Just saying "Run" is a bit too simplistic though, just like a lot (not all) of guys on here think that simply moving weights is enough to reach their physical goals. Sure you'll see improvements when starting from zero, but if you don't learn the basics, you only have yourself to blame when you stall with either running or lifting.

Running doesn't hurt lifting gains nearly to the degree most people preach, and if you have better endurance, it has plenty of transfer to sex, allowing you to go harder, longer, provided you don't cum.


Lift intelligently, run intelligently, eat intelligently, and achieve great things.


[-] Stabiel 2 Points 2 months ago

High velocity sprinting is better for your long term physique. Long distance running is bad for your knee health.

[-] Eldudearino89 2 Points 2 months ago

Believe I'll stick with cycling...

[-] halfback910 2 Points 2 months ago

It increases your joint strength

But... that's the opposite of true.

[-] canadianhousecoat 1 Point 2 months ago

I've been running on and off not due to fitness but due to sheer necessity for my career of choice and unless its necessary for a certain goal I wouldn't reccomend it at all if you're trying to gain mass or if you have anything related to lower back pain or chronic joint pain.

On the other hand find a spin class or get onto a bike... All the cardio benefits with none of the joint pain.... and depending on the class women swarm them.

3 weeks ago I benched 300 lbs now I'm down too 250 max. I've begun to run distance again and lost a lot of upper body gains... Like with everything you need to choose your balance and what you're willing to change.

Not everyone will agree with me, but that's my 2 cents.

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[-] Infla-mood 1 Point 2 months ago

Rowing machine all the way. My knees and ankles are fucked.

[-] RPSilverfox 1 Point 2 months ago

I lift and I ride my Cannondale. Never enjoyed running and after hearing about runners who have joint problems glad I never did.

[-] rogerramjetz 1 Point 2 months ago

I experimented with running, jogging and HIIT along with weights.

At first I was just doing steady state and kept building up to an hour solid. Then I kept pushing up the speed 8KM/HR, 9KM/HR until I nearly got to 10KM/HR for a whole hour. I found that it fucked me for days afterwards for no real advantage.

Then I tried HIIT with spurts between 10 and 17KM/HR. This also fucked my joints even though the intervals were short.

I now just stick to slow steady state because I simply enjoy it and it doesn't take a toll on my joints. I do 7KM/HR for an hour twice a week and add in 15-20 minutes at that speed after some weight sessions. Anything faster than about 8KM/HR fucks my joints (I'm almost 40). This rules out HIIT for me.

One of the better articles I have found around benefits of long steady state sessions is around cardiac stroke volume benefits - (I haven't trained Muay Thai for a few years, but it's interesting regardless).

Also, slow average pace for a few hours a week shows the lowest rates of mortality - ...

Weights and diet is still king for body composition but cardio still had a place to work the energy systems and for stress relief etc.

[-] xNightly 1 Point 2 months ago

I'm not really a fan of running but I absolutely love swimming and skipping ropes. I find those to be better alternatives.

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[-] MattyAnon 1 Point 2 months ago

Running ruins your joints.

I agree that cardio is great, but high impact exercise has long term detrimental effects. Find a better way to get fit.

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[-] liberty1127 1 Point 2 months ago

Anyone with a basic understanding of physiology would know you did not gain even close to 15 lba of muscle in 6 weeks. Maybe 6 lbs at most. The rest is likely water retained due to increased glycogen stores because you are actually eating a lot of carbs. Also...fat...because you cannot gain only muscle. You gain fat and muscle at the same time usually.

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[-] ZercherSquat 1 Point 2 months ago

Absolute fucking trash post. Running is shit. I run to catch a metro or when I need to vent off.
The usual running on an unnaturally flat surface in weirdly over teched air max shoes is absolute waste of time.

[-] swampbastard1415 1 Point 2 months ago

I love running but have largely cut it out and only use it as a rare stress reliever. I purely lift and do BJJ now. The reason bodybuilders minimize cardio is because it sends the wrong signal to your body, it signals a catabolic state rather than an anabolic state. This is as I understand it, please post evidence against this if you have it.

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[-] lespaul134 1 Point 2 months ago

I'm a personal trainer, certified etc experience etc.

Running fucks your muscle gains. If you run, your body will break down excess muscle tissue in order to make you a better runner. If you lift heavy shit, your body will develop muscle to make you better at lifting heavy shit.

If running becomes a frequent hobby, say goodbye to your legs, and your arms wont reach their potential fullness.

Also, running is one of the highest risk activities for injury, especially trail running, which is the most fun kind of running IMO.

Even when done correctly, there are still a fuckton of knee, back, and ankle injuries that are caused from running.

That said, I love to run and do it once in a while. Few things are so satisfying.

However, HIIT is much more effective at cutting weight and does not affect muscle loss at all, it can even help gain.

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[-] CockPrevails 0 Points 2 months ago

Swimming is better if you can manage it. I am finally moving into a sweet apartment that has a pool in the building and I intend to swim everyday for my cardio.

Running ruins your joints, particularly pounding on cement. All that endurance running theory is bullshit. We sprint, we trap, and we kill from afar. We are not the world's best endurance animal. Throwing rocks and spears made us into insane apex predators, not walking after animals until they died of dehydration.

If you are at all active outside you are probably taking unnecessary joint damage already. Anyone thinking about joining the army will get them destroyed by marching. You don't need to pre-destroy them.

[-] Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ -2 Point 2 months ago

Looking at fitness through a mechanistic, materialist "what is in it for me" point of view is contradictory to the concept of fitness. There is no economic scale or graph that's ever going to show you the profit of spending endless amounts of hours in a self induced pain area. Especially when you take into consideration your boss would rather have you work after hours and then make you take his friends anti-depressants to cope with unfavorable conditions.

Take a super depressed teen. What do you think is on his mind? Video games, "hmm... masturbation" and anxiety. Give him something to believe in because he sure as fuck doesn't believe in himself. Give him a good o'l Muslim concept of paradise. He doesn't believe in himself but Paradise doesn't care, you either get the job done or not. Tell him he has to reach a 3 plate bench, 5 plate squat, 6 plate deadlift. He has no excuses. Either hes going to make himself get to that level or suffer in hell as the eternal cuck.

Sometimes hell is on earth and sometimes you feel like in paradise too. Being the pushover who has a brain fart every time hes met with an challenge is what happens to the eternal cuckold. He also has to witness a never ending simulation of his "girlfriends" getting fucked in the ass while hes working overtime. Hes probably aware "his wife" is sleeping with other men but knows she is his only hope at getting sex so he will ignore it until one day she cucks you off your cuckwage and maybe children too, assuming you're not castrated from all those beers you drank to "relax".

The choice is yours. Either you're going to be the eternal cuckold or Chad who stands by his principles, feels good from his inner narrative and gets views from women but dosen't care because his sense of masculinity comes from within and cannot be validated with material objects but ideals he lives up to.

[-] BillyRedRocks 3 Points 2 months ago

Your rhetoric is getting better, keep it up.

[-] DeGENZerate 2 Points 2 months ago

Idealism>materialism. The biggest problem with the red pill is it tries to combine the two into one big Red Pill Ideology. They're fundamentally opposed principles.

Everyone came here for ideals but what they got was watered down with materials like Rollo rolloing up in his new lambo next to soap boy.

These things wont solve your problems and you deserve better. A life of direction led by discipline with a healthy dose of traditional thinking.

[-] BillyRedRocks 1 Point 2 months ago

You have different mistakes. Your last sentence is fine except the word traditional maybe. Talking about idealism in TRP might pass but if afterwards you're criticizing Rollo then you're just a moron and everyone will discard your whole message, as they should by the way.
PS: people came here to get laid, you seem to have not read the rules.

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[-] BillyRedRocks 1 Point 2 months ago

You are a retard that can't read and a gamma. I'm almost done trying to help you fucks.

[-] Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ 2 Points 2 months ago

Roosh in his recent Serbian interview said just trying to hump everything like a dog is a flawed. The system is designed to boost such activities. The cost for this is dissolution of family structure which eventually means you will be replaced with immigrants and the government will use their existence to steal rights from you to hurry up the progress of ethnic replacement.

[-] BillyRedRocks 0 Points 2 months ago

I didn't say you were incorrect, nor that I disagree with you. I was just pointing out rhetorical mistakes as in ineffective rhetoric.

[-] DeGENZerate 1 Point 2 months ago

Nice adhominem. Would a rational male have done that? Exactly. Cuz you have no values beyond cars and women

[-] BillyRedRocks 1 Point 2 months ago

It's a diagnosis. Good luck with your endeavours.
PS: I'd google what gamma means.

[-] DeGENZerate 1 Point 2 months ago

uhh alfa male alert! Too much alpha skew to reason too busy with vagina

Being reliant on women as a source of motivation is very blue pill and that's exactly what is being done here.

[-] TheRedPike 1 Point 2 months ago

Oh, fucking please. No one is getting rich off of any of this. This costs most of us time if not actual money. No one here is defending Sperg Soap, but putting up blogs and running shows costs money. Asking people to help out is reaasonable. We limit using TRP for any of this to OUR ECs, because we know them. None of you are required to give anyone a dime. However if you want to see this space flourish, helping out in whatever capacity you can help would be a good thing.

I'm not having this conversation with you again.

[-] DeGENZerate 1 Point 2 months ago

Define "any of this" so there aren't any miscommunications

[-] TheRedPike 2 Points 2 months ago

Monitization in any form, even if just to covers costs, which is the vast majority if it (and rarely even closely enough).

[-] DeGENZerate 1 Point 2 months ago

Who said monetization of The Red Pill was inherently bad I surely didn't. More importantly why are you criticizing my dislike for materialism which caused the state of being neccessary to require a Red Pill. By putting money before family and collective relationships. It seems like you are asserting I did something wrong but I have to ask: what?