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Summary: If there's this girl you're not fucking, don't waste time analyzing what she's saying or doing to try to figure out if she's into you. There's a much simpler method for that: Touch her. Force the issue. Make your move. You'll find out in two seconds and save yourself a lot of time and energy. If there's this girl you're fucking who's doing something you don't like, the answer is even simpler: Enjoy the sex. Don't get married. Worrying about whether a girl is good wife material or good girlfriend material is her problem. Your problem is enjoying the sex.


If we distill most of the questions men have when they read the Red Pill to try to improve their lives down to the very basics, there are two main categories guys ask about:

1: “There’s this girl I’m not fucking. She said or did some stuff. What does it mean, and what do I do to get her to fuck me?”

2: “There’s this girl I’m fucking. She said or did some stuff I don’t like. What do I do about it?”

In response to number 1, the overwhelming response this man receives from Red Pill commentators is something like “She’s not into you. She’s just using you. If you were ten times hotter, she’d have sucked your dick thirty seconds after meeting you but you’re not, so any girl who’s not fucking you is just playing you because all women do that.”

In response to number 2, the overwhelming response the man receives is something like “Next the bitch. You should never tolerate anything you don’t like. If you were ten times hotter, she’d never pull shit like that, so any girl who’s pulling shit like that isn’t that into you and doesn’t respect you and you should teach her a lesson, because all women are like that.”

That all sounds great on the internet, where we can give advice that costs another guy getting his dick wet while we mentally masturbate about sticking it to some girl we’ve never met, but the real world isn’t so black and white. Most guys don’t want to sell themselves short and throw in the towel the second something gets a little difficult. After all, how could the kind of man who gives up immediately (often in a butt-hurt manner) without a fight be a man that women think is fuckable?

So lets look a little more critically at number 1. There’s a girl you’re not fucking. At this point, she’s adding next to zero value to your life, because there’s no sex involved, and women don’t make very good friends. If she doesn’t end up fucking you, anything you invest with this woman is just effort you’re throwing down a black hole. You’re spending energy to keep the fantasy alive that maybe one day she’ll like you. And that energy would be more useful literally anywhere else.

But she’s still a girl, and she’s still in your life, and while maybe your odds are slim, they’re not zero, right? For whatever reason, you don’t want to give up hope. So what do you do?

The answer is: force the issue. The next time you see her, you touch her. You say flirty things to her. If she responds positively to your touch, you move in for a kiss. You escalate. Yes, there’s a 99% chance she’s going to reject your advances, but that’s fine, because that’s doing you a favor. That’s killing your stupid fantasy for you. You’ve been sitting on your hands for weeks or months not making a move because you know and have always known she’s not really into you, but you wanted to keep the fantasy alive. Don’t wait six months until you overhear her talking with her friends about the guy she fucked last night. Force the issue today. Maybe you’ll get lucky, but even if you don’t, her rejection will move you forward.

If there’s a girl you’re not fucking, it doesn’t matter what stuff she said or did or what she meant by it. Don’t run to The Red Pill and post a question asking us to decipher her behavior for you when you haven’t even touched this woman before. Force the issue. Make her accept or reject you.

There’s not always something you can do to get her to fuck you. Sometimes there is, sometimes there isn’t. If you want to find out, force the issue. Touch the girl, make your move. Sitting around wondering what she meant by this or that while planning exactly how you’re going to make your move one day is just hiding from the rejection you know is coming because you’d rather keep the fantasy alive instead of killing it and moving on. Make your move today.

Then, the next time you’re with some girl you want to fuck, making your move will be easier. And the time after that, even easier. Until hitting on girls and getting rejected isn’t something you sit around worrying about.

So what about number 2? There’s a girl you’ve been fucking, but she said or did some stuff you don’t like. Maybe you found out about her slutty past. Maybe she’s been flirting with or fucking other guys. Maybe she’s been getting bitchy with you. Maybe she’s been pushing for commitment. Maybe you’d been hoping she’d push for commitment but she hasn’t and has been fucking other guys instead.

Once a man gets to the point where he’s having sex with a woman, the game doesn’t end. A woman a man is fucking is going to try to exert power over that man even more strongly than she would over some random guy at a bar she’s trying to con into drinks or some male friend she’ll flirt with when she needs help moving.

So what do you do when you’re fucking a girl and she says or does something or you find out something you don’t like? The answer is far simpler than you think: Enjoy the sex.

That’s right. That's all there is to it. Keep fucking her. Enjoy the sex.

Don’t engage her crap. Don’t stamp your foot and demand respect. Don’t confront her. Don’t argue with her. Don’t even acknowledge her crap. Just keep fucking her like normal. Act like it never happened. And if she’s refusing to fuck you as part of her crap? Fuck someone else.

99.9999 percent of women aren’t wife material. It’s stupid to get pissed off about this one woman you’re fucking being like 99.9999 percent of women. You knew she wasn’t wife material before you started, so what’s the big deal if she’s not acting like a good wife? Enjoy the sex, don’t marry her.

If you want to keep getting your dick wet, don’t make things weird for a woman by arguing about stupid stuff or making demands on her or constraining her behavior. If you try to impose your expectations on a woman and hold her to certain standards, you lose. All you’re doing is telling her what to hide from you and what to lie about.

If you really want to know what a woman is like, watch what she does when you’re not judging her – the standards she holds herself to. Enjoy the sex, and let her be who she’s going to be. She’s doing you a favor. Two favors actually – one is fucking you, the other is letting you know that fucking is all she’s good for.

So if there's this girl you're not fucking and you want to fuck her, make your move. Today. And if there's this girl you're fucking who's doing something you don't like? Enjoy the sex. Don't get married. It's that simple.

[-] atticusfinch1973 86 Points 3 months ago

So lets look a little more critically at number 1. There’s a girl you’re not fucking. At this point, she’s adding next to zero value to your life, because there’s no sex involved, and women don’t make very good friends. If she doesn’t end up fucking you, anything you invest with this woman is just effort you’re throwing down a black hole. You’re spending energy to keep the fantasy alive that maybe one day she’ll like you. And that energy would be more useful literally anywhere else.

Most of this I agree with except the part about women and friends. Having a few females that you've actually put in the friend zone can be beneficial for social proof, fucking their friends and also just getting a female perspective on things that happen (if you understand that their perspective comes from a female mindset).

If you want to keep getting your dick wet, don’t make things weird for a woman by arguing about stupid stuff or making demands on her or constraining her behavior. If you try to impose your expectations on a woman and hold her to certain standards, you lose. All you’re doing is telling her what to hide from you and what to lie about.

This is great. If most guys here could understand this their lives would be a lot easier.

[-] flipwater 24 Points 3 months ago

Having a few females that you've actually put in the friend zone can be beneficial for social proof, fucking their friends and also just getting a female perspective on things that happen (if you understand that their perspective comes from a female mindset).

Also girls can be very chill... I sense way too much bitterness on this sub sometimes

[-] alt_account_6 6 Points 3 months ago

I agree. I know my female friends aren’t strictly speaking useful, but they have helpful effects. A lot like going to a therapist. You wouldn’t expect your therapist to drive 2 hours to pick you up, but she is still calming and you can hang out and lay out your problems and whatnot all the same.

No reason to cut women out completely. Just have to be aware and intentional.

[-] graceful_aggression 2 Points 3 months ago

Coming from a university background, being socially adept with hanging out with plenty of women (and making them aware of this), does add your SMV. I see this personally and with friends. Yeah your inner circle of people you'd really connect with are the boys, but girls, knowing that other girls find you at some level, desirable to socialize with is a plus. Some kind of pre-preselection. I understand this is a bit tougher to play this status game once you are out of university, in workplaces etc.

[-] dingleburry_joe 1 Point 3 months ago

Yes this part is good. I’ve fucked up in this area and it’s good to see it place right in my face

[-] askmrcia 0 Points 3 months ago

Most of this I agree with except the part about women and friends. Having a few females that you've actually put in the friend zone can be beneficial for social proof, fucking their friends and also just getting a female perspective on things that happen (if you understand that their perspective comes from a female mindset).

What you described sounds more like acquaintances than friends.

[-] Satou4 30 Points 3 months ago

So let's get fucking technical

[-] askmrcia 1 Point 3 months ago

I just feel like people call anyone a friend now a days which is why I pointed it out. So yea you kind of have to get technical when it comes to this conversation.

The same way people hear "no female friends" and they take it as you don't interact, hangout, or have fun conversations with certain women on the regular. Which is kind of what the guy above did.

That's not what is meant by no "female friends" which is why I pointed out acquaintances. There's a difference between acquaintances and friends.

[-] ReformSociety 1 Point 3 months ago

Why tf would you have female acquaintances in your personal life?

[-] askmrcia 4 Points 3 months ago

For the reasons he described above. The guy said it's cool to have female "friends" so they can hook you up with their friends, provide social proof and get a female perspective on things.

Literally anyone can and will do that. Hell Co workers will do that for you at the drop of a hat. You don't need a friend to that. I can tell by the responses I'm getting from my original comment that people here will call anyone that gives them an ounce of attention a friend.

Acquaintances are people you see here and there. You know them, hang out with them sometimes, might invite you to a party or group setting, but that's that. They are people you know and can help build your network.

A friend is something more.

[-] frooschnate 1 Point 3 months ago

yeah genius don't open up to them and tell em your biggest insecurities or expect them to act the same way a man does when he's your friend.

but you can hang around some girls and not have your goal be fucking them specifically, as long as you're not orbiting and validating, instead doing what you want to do and controlling whatever outcome you aimed for.

[-] KeffirLime 75 Points 3 months ago

Fantasy is how we motivate ourselves. It's this idealistic picture in our heads that we hope one day comes to fruition. It's what keeps a Billy chasing his unicorn for months/years on end. It's what gets him out of bed and motivated to tackle each day. It's also what get's chad motivated to go and plow his third model for the week. He too see's her, pictures himself with her, and then sleeps with her, they both have fantasies.

The difference between the two is that Chad's fantasies are grounded in reality while Billy's are grounded in the denial of reality.

Chad's fantasies are set within his abilities. He knows where to set them because he's continually testing his boundaries. He pushes them further and further to see how far he can go before he's being irrational. His fantasies are better categorized as rational goals.

Billy's fantasy is consistent denial of the truth to keep the fantasy going in order to remain motivated. He does not test his boundaries for fear of having to accept the harsh reality that his sub conscious is already aware of, that he is mediocre. He's using it as a temporary self preservation comfort.

This same mindset of preservation however is also his prevention from progression. It will hold and suffocate him in his stagnation until the external world eventually ends his dreams for him.

The only way out is be pro active instead of reactive. To tackle the fantasies head on, so he is aware of his position. Only then can he steadily further his boundaries. His idealistic visions will start small, but he will have the satisfaction of achieving them. Over time, retrospectively he will see how far he's come.

[-] _TheRP 23 Points 3 months ago

Boom.

Be bold, be aggressive, figure out where you top out. Fail. If you're not failing sometimes you're not pushing hard enough.

Don't sit in your own delusion, or even worse - blame your failure on other people or external forces. Reddit is filled with that shit, look at the political subs. "The Government is taxing us too much, damn liberals!" or the flip side "The rich aren't paying enough, we can't get ahead!" Clowns, all of them.

[-] Incel9876 -1 Point 3 months ago

Don't sit in your own delusion, or even worse - blame your failure on other people or external forces. Reddit is filled with that shit, look at the political subs. "The Government is taxing us too much, damn liberals!" or the flip side "The rich aren't paying enough, we can't get ahead!" Clowns, all of them.

Just because you've opted out of politics, doesn't mean politics has opted out of you.

[-] _TheRP 8 Points 3 months ago

I never opted out of politics, I opted out of being a victim.

[-] wildtimes3 2 Points 3 months ago

One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.

-Plato

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[-] tnegaeR 26 Points 3 months ago

Just whip out your dick

Today

[-] Wolveryn 22 Points 3 months ago

And if she costs more to maintain in terms of opportunity cost... money and stress... than say a 19 yo model/hooker... maybe just fuck the hooked instead.

Although... playing devils advocate I’d say most guys are looking for that special lady to have children and settle down with...

We all think we won’t be the ones to get divorced raped...

I’d wager that people on this subreddit have a higher chance of divorce than the average... people that don’t need help don’t follow TRP (they even discourage it... if evens the playing field after all)

[-] CainPrice 32 Points 3 months ago

Yeah. Most guys around here act all tough and aloof, while secretly wishing the women they meet turn into wives.

Half of their complaints are about some casual girl they're fucking not being good wife material. They thought if they acted Red Pill enough, all the girls they fucked would want commitment and stop acting bad, and they could have this magical relationship where as long as they stay alpha enough and manly enough, nothing will ever go wrong and they have that happy wife and perfect family.

Then they did the Red Pill thing, got laid by average women, but the average women they fucked still kept right on acting like average women. And they're all sad and mopey because they never gave up on that fantasy of a happy life with a perfect wife and kids.

[-] SeasonedRP 10 Points 3 months ago

That's a really good point and something I've observed on here too. I tried to address it in a comment I posted yesterday, and it would be a good subject for someone to do a post specifically discussing. Women's sexual strategy is to lock down the alpha male, but many take that to mean what follows is a blissful period of attraction and guaranteed sex. They seem to think that if they just act alpha enough, they can correct any bad behavior and ultimately have the fantasy of a loving wife who loves them for who they are and who will always be there, in good times and bad. The truth is, you can improve bad behavior through implementing the principles discussed on here, but oftentimes it is best to just move on and find a better woman, keeping in mind that the marriage/cohabiting fantasy just isn't going to happen. Once women lock down the alpha male, their behavior changes. There's always a tension between women being attracted to a high SMV and wanting to prevent other women from getting that man's resources. Once the woman secures the resources of man with high SMV (e.g., through marriage), she's no longer as concerned with "will he pick me?" as she is with ensuring other women can't have him. Instead of behaving extra nice toward him because of his high SMV, she may well try to do things to tear down his high SMV. The nagging and bad behavior will be over different things than when directed to a beta husband, but will occur nonetheless. It's my belief that this is why marriages just don't work no matter how high the man's SMV and how alpha he is.

[-] [deleted] 2 Points 3 months ago

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[-] aherrns 1 Point 3 months ago

Idem: would you post the link please?

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[-] weag5l 1 Point 3 months ago

Agreed. But it's not like men aren't doing the same thing. This just the flip side of the madonna/whore thing.

[-] moltenw 2 Points 3 months ago

Essentially - people trying to use The Red Pill principles to fulfill their blue pill fantasies & expectations.

[-] [deleted] 1 Point 3 months ago

Truth, truth, nothing but truth

[-] McVaghunter 13 Points 3 months ago

Your advice is good but not complete; I agree that applying kino is the right way to cut the bullshit, and maybe ignoring the nagging of your one and only option just to enjoy some pity sex is better than masturbating but the bigger picture here is that the men in these situations are being treated like shit due to their not-high-enough SMV.

You said it yourself, there are men who will get their dicks sucked in thirty seconds after meeting a girl and who'll never be nagged by her, so why not become this kind of men instead? A man should never settle down for anything less that the highest SMV he can achieve, and while waiting for that to happen, sure he can keep that nagging bitch to get his dick wet instead of jacking off but his main focus should be on becoming hotter.

[-] PerplexingPegasus_ 3 Points 3 months ago

I agree with your opinion becoming the highest possible for said individual. The problem isn’t raising your SMV to that degree, it’s the factor of the woman at hand.

You can still be 10/10 of your maxed SMV but if she can still perceive your max SMV as 7/10, you will still be nagged or disrespected.

[-] McVaghunter 1 Point 3 months ago

The problem isn’t raising your SMV... You can still be 10/10... you will still be nagged or disrespected

Not with the same percentage; if you're a skinny fat fuck you'll be disrespected by MOST girls, if you're above average at best you'll be disrespected by half the girls but if you're packing a big chest/arms and a six pack then you'll be disrespected by very few girls, so few that you wouldn't even care about. So stop giving yourself excuses because the problem IS raising your SMV up.

[-] PerplexingPegasus_ 1 Point 3 months ago

So stop giving yourself excuses the problem IS raising your SMV up.

We have the same idea but you just elaborated on it more. At the end of the day, nagging will still happen just on a lower percentage.

[-] tchower 8 Points 3 months ago

Some of these dudes on the red pill have similar perspectives on situation # 1 and the “physical attractiveness of a man” as the incels.

Incels draw the same conclusion that they can’t get laid or find a girl or whatever because they’re not good looking enough or not attractive enough and it’s all about the looks to give girls the tingles ect. and they just don’t have it and blame all their problems on that.

I read similar mentalities on the red pill in regard to game. So your post is refreshing, but I think it’s important to take a break from this sub for awhile, while it can provide insight into game and the male female relationship dynamic, I often do not see too much on here about how to properly implement, other than just speculations on how attractive the guy is or isn’t or “if he were only more attractive then...ect ect”, or theorizing if he’s a beta bux or not, when the real world is more nuanced than that. Don’t get me wrong, holding frame is important and it’s talked about on here, but the “being a good looking guy” vs. “beta bucks” is what it eventually comes down to in this sub.

[-] nsummy 8 Points 3 months ago

There is so much value in this subreddit but I swear its gotten to the point where its like a flea market that you have to spend all day at just to find a few hidden gems.

This sounds like it was written by a junior high student. Though I admit I skimmed the 2nd half because it was needlessly long. I'll save everyone the time and just break it down like this, short and sweet.

  1. “There’s this girl I’m not fucking, why?" If you have to ask, you already know the answer. To say that women you aren't fucking add zero value to your life is absolutely idiotic.

  2. “There’s this girl I’m fucking. She said or did some stuff I don’t like. What do I do about it?” What the hell does that even mean? You have two options really, address the issue like someone who is assertive or ignore the issue at your own mental peril. If what she does is a deal breaker but you still like the sex, there is a term for that, friends with benefits. If she wants a relationship but you don't, be a man and tell the truth.

Whats with all of these posts writing novels about situations that have been discussed ad nauseam.

[-] masterpiece00 6 Points 3 months ago

Touch her. Force the issue. Make your move. You'll find out in two seconds and save yourself a lot of time and energy.

Yeah or you should not do that - they have meetoo and twitter and the state to arrest you now.

[-] SKRedPill 5 Points 3 months ago

Regarding marriage, just consider this, the divorce to marriage ratio is more important than the absolute rates (which are based on per 1000 per year). And that shows that cumulatively, in the last 115 years in the US, the net total of divorces / net total of marriages has reached 45-50%.

And it's increasing. Despite the fact that absolute numbers are dropping.

In Portugal, it's at 71%. Thought Russia was better? Nope. 52%

And these are first marriages. Contrary to what you think, the failure rates for second and third marriages are significantly higher than first marriages.

80% of all these divorces are initiated by women. 90% of the time, they win everything.

I wonder in which industry other than a program designed to weed out the weak is a failure rate of 50% is acceptable.

Weaken the masculine, and you have weakened the stability of a nation.

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[-] LandoChronus 2 Points 3 months ago

Two favors actually – one is fucking you...

Nope. She is NOT doing you a favor by "letting you fuck her". You're treating her to a wonderful pounding, not the other way around.

[-] CainPrice 8 Points 3 months ago

She could get that dick from a very long list of willing guys. Let's not go crazy in our heads and start to think that our dicks are special just because we know girls like harder sex than we used to think.

If you don't fuck her, she needs 5 minutes and a cell phone to find someone else to fuck who's almost as good.

This idea that you're special and she doesn't have options is silly. If she fucks you, it's because she picked you from among many options.

[-] OneRedSock 4 Points 3 months ago

She could get that dick from a very long list of willing guys.

That's the point of the logic -- she doesn't want all that long list of dick because they're either losers (which makes them gross) or too easy (which makes them of low value). Just like we have our standards of who we're going to fuck -- no whales -- they have standards -- no low value men.

That's why we flip the logic; it's not about going crazy. It's about selling the product, and to sell the product you need to believe in the product. If you don't believe your dick is the shit, neither will she. And to create that value, you need to tease, you need kino, you need to play with her emotions. And you play with her in a way that says "I don't give a fuck if you fuck me or not, because I am the shit". Then she will want that shit bad.

Anyone who believes that a woman is god's gift to them is putting themselves in a subservient role, and is most often an orbiter who wishes someday he'll get his dick wet but to her he's not even on the radar.

[-] LandoChronus 2 Points 3 months ago

If she fucks you, it's because she picked you from among many options.

Because you were the best option she had available. It's a direct result of you being a badass, which is not something that just happens.

You've put in time and energy and effort to be a fucking boss, so when she "picks you" like someone picks the winning lottery numbers, it's because of your effort and you being there.

Everything involving interaction with girls is a result of some effort on your part. SHE'S the lucky one getting to fuck you!

[-] [deleted] 2 Points 3 months ago

Archwinger posted something with a very similar message. This philosophy really saves a lot of time, as do many of TRP philosophies. Minimalism and TRP go hand in hand.

https://www.trp.red/p/theasshole/531

[-] CainPrice 5 Points 3 months ago

That's even better advice than mine, in a way. Or more direct, anyway.

If every single thing you say to a woman is part of your plan - the next step toward a meeting, the next step in escalation, the next step to get her home. Versus just spinning your wheels talking with some girl with no real overarching plan. You should do all right. You might not score with many women, especially if you're not hot, but you'll at least get every woman as far as you can get them, get your answer, and move on.

I think completely ignoring everything a woman says is shooting yourself in the foot a bit, but it's a matter of priorities. If you're not fucking some girl, stressing out trying to interpret this thing she said is just stupid and a complete waste of time, and usually wistful thinking trying to find some sideways way to interpret it as her being interested in you and you having a chance. If you're fucking some girl, what she's saying or doing is really only relevant to the extent that it affects the ongoing nature of your casual relationship with her. If you just fucked and she's talking about work, listen politely. If she's refusing to fuck you until you listen to her talk about work, listen politely the first time, and if she doens't fuck you, don't fall for it again. If she's refusing to fuck you until you become the kind of guy who listens to her talk about work with absolutely no expectations and just lets her occasionally fuck on her terms when she feels like it, demote her to the occasional long-shot plate texting list and fuck other women.

[-] sengokuthebhudda 1 Point about a month ago

Bro I needed this lol. And is it still possible to fuck former oneitises?

[-] Lieisnotreal 1 Point 3 months ago

"Enjoy the sex, and let her be who she’s going to be "

Women are not meant to be anything, people are not meant to be anything.
You can be the creator of what she's going to be instead of letting the odds decide. Unless she's too old for that, and she's already a crazy bitch.

[-] CainPrice 10 Points 3 months ago

The idea that you can find this young, non-slutty woman and wow her with your alpha man behavior and teach her to be a good woman who's wife material and go on to have a happy life and happy family is a very bizarre fantasy in the internet manosphere. That doesn't actually happen. It's internet men clinging to this bizarre idea that if you do this alpha male thing hard enough, you'll attract a young girl before she sluts it up in college and she'll be your perfect wife, which is super weird.

[-] Lieisnotreal 5 Points 3 months ago

I've done it, it's not a fantasy, you can shape a female into what you want her to be but she can't be damaged initially.
Meaning good family, present father and good values.

[-] [deleted] 1 Point 3 months ago

Agree, same here, but even if you bag a unicorn, it's still not that thrilling 25 years later. As the guys over at r/marriedredpill discuss at length, you put in a lot of work, and your results are likely better than if you coast. Let's say you never go LTR/marriage/kids. The long term problem with being the alpha fuck is that you can be jacked as fuck at 55, styled, groomed, and game aware, and no chick under 40 is going to give you the time of day. And chicks over 40 are non-boinkable 95 percent of the time. Google any hot celebrity from 20 years ago to see what I mean.

[-] Lieisnotreal 1 Point 3 months ago

That's when you need money, a lot of it.

[-] wildtimes3 5 Points 3 months ago

She ain’t a fuckin rhinoceros.

Agreed otherwise. Fulfill the shit out her every fantasy over and over again and they’ll usually reciprocate and then some.

[-] fourlokohangover 1 Point 3 months ago

I cant view this sub on mobile says its quarantined even though ive subbed on pc

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[-] mindplaybyneo 1 Point 3 months ago

This resonates to my situation and I needed this for my internal game. Thanks broski

[-] womans_algorithm 1 Point 3 months ago

So number 2 is you saying: i dont have time or dont want to address your issues, but let me still fuck you.

It sounds retarded enough on its own, but let me flip it around:

Girls saying to a guy: i dont want to address your sexual wants/fantasies about me, but lets still be just friends.

... I dont know what to say, did you put 2 minutes of thinking into what you were writing about? I know it sounds agressive, but if that will stop you from posting similar ideas, TRP will be a better place.

[-] CainPrice 3 Points 3 months ago

I know. It's stupid as shit that this works.

You'd think that being nice to women and talking about stuff with them and being there for them emotionally would make them like you and want to have sex with you. And you'd think that being difficult, aloof, distant, and a bit of a selfish asshole would make women hate you and not want to have sex with you.

But women are stupid for some reason. When you're kind and emotional with a woman, that doesn't make her want your penis inside of her. It makes her want to cuddle. Tending to her emotional wants makes her feel good, sure, but it doesn't turn her on.

But if you keep a woman on edge, excited, maybe even a little afraid, and remain a challenge for her, where she's constantly trying and working, and earning small drops of your emotional attention, she'll be slutty as hell for you.

I don't make the rules. I wish women weren't like this and you could just be nice to them like logic dictates, and they'd have sex with guys who were nice to them. But it doesn't work that way.

[-] womans_algorithm 2 Points 3 months ago

I wasn't talking about what you just wrote, did you reply to the right guy?

I wasn't talking about being nice and emotional and idk what the fuck else you wrote. I said "to address her issues". There is a huge difference between those 2 things.

[-] whatsthisgarg 2 Points 3 months ago

I wasn't talking about what you just wrote, did you reply to the right guy?

/u/CainPrice reply made perfect sense to me. Maybe you would have understood if he had said:

But women are stupid for some reason. When you're kind and emotional AND ADDRESS HER ISSUES with a woman, that doesn't make her want your penis inside of her. It makes her want to cuddle. Tending to her emotional wants makes her feel good, sure, but it doesn't turn her on.

I will also say I perfectly understood AND AGREE WITH your original counterpoint. What makes the difference is the particular guy in the picture. If he's not attractive, she doesn't care about him at all, no matter what he does. If he is attractive, being nice and kind and addressing her issues CAN BE a sexual turnoff (although she will be happy to take the nonsexual energy).

I'll just repeat the important point in his reply:

Tending to her emotional wants makes her feel good, sure, but it doesn't turn her on.

Shattering the blue pill myth of "women need to be comfortable before they want to have sex." They actually need the opposite.

[-] womans_algorithm 1 Point 3 months ago

I understand now. I actually took me real world event in order to understand - my LTR said she just wants to cuddle since i am still half sick from high fever. I guess also because we were talking on the phone everyday last few days. So i suppose to turn this dituation around, i have to stop caring about her needs and wants?

[-] whatsthisgarg 1 Point 3 months ago

i have to stop caring about her needs and wants?

I love subtle sarcasm, but no, man, you have to start thinking for yourself, or, more likely, continue to think for yourself, as I can tell you're more intelligent than most commenters here. I can't tell how old you are though, or how long you've been with this woman.

The honeymoon phase can last for 3 months, 6 months, longer, whatever. In my case (I'm married), we didn't have any significant problems for more than FIFTEEN YEARS. If I had come across TRP before that I would have laughed and moved on. "What a bunch of losers!"

Read these posts below with an open mind, considering that my personal experience as an older man is written into them, and let me know what you think.

Requirement for a successful relationship: Making her feel bad

You don't do things FOR women, you do things TO women

Psychology of agitation

The importance of not being pussy-whipped

Here are two quotes to prime the pump:

Here's what happens in a LTR when you do things for women. They get relaxed; they get comfortable. Their needs are met. Yours aren't. She isn't thinking about you. Because women are fundamentally lazy and selfish.

and

Beyond the honeymoon phase, make her feel good, and she's going to . . . feel good. And relaxed. And satisfied. And not thinking about you. She's thinking about herself, because she is a fundamentally lazy and selfish woman.

If she is meeting your needs, then by all means continue to make her feel good. It's basic behaviorism. But few women in long term relationships can keep that up throughout the month; their hormones get in the way, and again, they are lazy and selfish.

and just three more things:

  1. of course I believe men are also fundamentally lazy and selfish.

  2. you may never experience any problems whatsoever if you continue to do what you're doing; or you might.

  3. the relationship I'm describing is the best of any of our family and friends, and she is sincerely happy with what I do.

edit going to shout out to /u/CainPrice again in case he never saw any of those posts

[-] [deleted] 1 Point 3 months ago

make your move today

Great words to live by in general

[-] tem_po_rary -1 Point 3 months ago

This is literally the dumbest thing I've ever read

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[-] patrixxxx 3 Points 3 months ago

Haven't read the post so I don't know if this is a correct TL:DR. In any case it's correct in itself. This is exactly what current cultural engineering is about. Stop us from forming stable relationships and reproduce. I have fooled around but are now in a stable relationship and have two children and I'm very happy about that. That doesn't mean I wont break up some day. It's just that it's sad that many men (and women) seem to think you "win" if you don't have babies.

[-] Aptote 3 Points 3 months ago

It's just that it's sad that many men (and women) seem to think you "win" if you don't have babies.

yeah, it is sad

grats on your kids, they are the whole point

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[-] CainPrice -1 Point 3 months ago

Teaching children conservative values is child abuse. Hell, denying your male child's womanhood by not cutting his penis off if he sits within ten feet of a doll or a pink object is child abuse. Get with the times.

[-] DocPBJ007 -7 Point 3 months ago

The problem is what a shy introvert can do when he is in hopes of getting sex..especially a virgin. I often end up thinking of every woman as a virginity remover for myself lol. Still going thru the sidebar items in order...any specific ones I should focus on as a shy guy...also have no male frnds

[-] Satou4 1 Point 3 months ago

Lift and talk to people

[-] snowmoose1 -8 Point 3 months ago

Ugh.. you could have summarized all this into 5 words => MGTOW. Who the fuck cares about a woman these days anyway? Disregard women, acquire currency. Women always play you and the only way to win the game is not playing. TRP - Frames and shit.. lol

[-] KeffirLime 13 Points 3 months ago

Who the fuck cares about a woman these days anyway?

You're born desiring women, MGTOW is about actively repressing that desire, where as TRP is about harnessing and fulfillling it.

[-] snowmoose1 1 Point 3 months ago

Ok so you repress your own desire like a zookeeper is trying to tame small lion cubs. Sir, good luck. Evolution of thousand of years cannot be repressed. A lion cub will still have the killing instincts when they are adults no matter what.

Also with your statement you are indirectly implying that women are born cheaters. They desire the strongest “alpha” and if he is around she doesn’t give a fuck if she has 5 kids and a loyal husband at home. So is it worth it then? You are playing a game which you are almost certain to lose. Monogamy doesn’t exist, it’s a fabrication from the modern society to withhold stability.

Yea it’s our desire to fuck cause otherwise we wouldn’t exist. Why not then just fuck some quality women now and then for 100$?

[-] Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ -9 Point 3 months ago

Because you cannot think abstractly you did not notice what the text you replied to actually was trying to say. It wanted to say "Why should I seek validation from modern women". However because you are ideologically a dumb-dumb and cannot think abstractly, you've basically just made an no effort reply. MGTOW and PUA both seek validation from women but in any society where men are raised with fathers and a doctrine they seek validation from within by accomplishing hard tasks.

[-] KeffirLime 7 Points 3 months ago

You see, you we're too busy waffling and insulting, trying to sound intelligent, that you missed the point of my reply entirely.

"Why should I seek validation from modern women"

You do not choose to seek validation, it is wired into your genetic material.

men are raised with fathers and a doctrine they seek validation from within by accomplishing hard tasks.

They complete hard tasks in order to raise their sexual market value, in order to fuck better women to have better offspring, who are better equipped to deal with their environment.

You have your head so far up ideology's ass because you're unable to think for yourself, you are unable to see how biology affects ideology, and how ideology is simply an enabler of biology.

[-] Captain_Save_A_Hoe_ 1 Point 3 months ago

The whole genetics affecting our entire decision making system is pseudo-academic and an answer without answers.

[-] KeffirLime 1 Point 3 months ago

We aren't having an academic discussion, don't operate solely in boxes/ideologies/concepts.

They're simply descriptors of much more complex ideas, which if you think for yourself, you too can explore.

[-] CainPrice 5 Points 3 months ago

I like sex too much to do the MGTOW thing. I also have this weird ability to attract women who want to have sex with me. Women being willing to have sex with me has made it really hard for me to hate them and post on the internet about how much they suck.

[-] snowmoose1 1 Point 3 months ago

Lol, MGTOW don’t hate them. You should read and get back with correct facts before you speak. They still fuck but they don’t engage in LTR’s and marriages. If you are of value you will get approached by then and dick them down, otherwise no woman. They don’t chase them. That is the main difference.

[-] CainPrice 1 Point 3 months ago

I'm gonna have to call bullshit on you there.

There's this one MGTOW guy who's hot and rich and got out of a bad divorce and decided women suck, and today he fucks women but doesn't pay them much mind.

Then there are the other 99.99% of you internet weirdos who dedicate your lives to making that one cool guy look bad because you're ugly, boring, and suck ass with women, but you get off on pretending that it's your choice and you're the one avoiding the girls instead of vice versa. And you spend half the day online typing stuff about women. Not about men, not about how to make money or succeed as men, not about the manly shit you men do while you're doing your own way thing. Nope. About women. Apparently, your own way involves bitching about women and how much they suck on the internet. That's what high quality men (who can totally get women but choose not to!) do with their time. Bitch about women on the internet.

Quit making the one cool guy you admire so much look bad by pretending to be like him.

[-] snowmoose1 -1 Point 3 months ago

Cool story bro. I wish i was as wise as you. Can you teach me how to be like you?

[-] CainPrice 1 Point 3 months ago

I don't think you can handle it. You decided to become an internet warrior instead of a real man. Real work is beyond your type.

[-] snowmoose1 1 Point 3 months ago

i Get your facts right first

Read that then refute me with facts other than your own subject and vague personal opinion. Oh, i’m lvl 2 btw. I still smash but nothing else.

Have a nice weekend.

[-] CainPrice 1 Point 3 months ago

Don't worry. A few dozen more posts and internet rants and you'll have enough experience points to level up some more.

[-] snowmoose1 1 Point 3 months ago

Yeah i’m gonna agree but not amplify. Just gonna keep my frame. Cause frames n’ shit.. nigga

[-] max_peenor 4 Points 3 months ago

The reason you are going to get a lot of pushback here is what has happened to MGTOW. It used to be about rejecting marriage or any other lifestyle that forced you to embrace the female imperative. The incels and spergers saw this as a shiny object to excuse themselves of their chronic masturbation and virginity, rather than do anything that might precipitate an end to their chronic masturbation and virginity. In other words, MGTOW used to be about living your life and doing your things on your terms. It has since been drowned out by men that don't want to do anything.

Fuck that.

Yes, there are men that adhere to the founding principle, but they are lost in a wilderness. TRP is a vocal, unwavering rejection of the female imperative and we run that banner up our dicks with which we fuck women. We are the do'ers. They are the watchers.

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[-] DrMrJrSr 3 Points 3 months ago

"You can either go with the flow of life and get what you want, or buck the system in pain. Your choice."

-Pook

[-] NobodyP1 1 Point 3 months ago

Help a brother out and tell me what MGTOW stands for

[-] snowmoose1 3 Points 3 months ago

Men Go Their Own Way. Look them up on the forum.