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- Hide Preview | 30 Comments | submitted 2 months ago by SKRedPill [Post Locked]

Regarding marriage, just consider this, the divorce to marriage ratio is more important than the absolute rates (which are based on per 1000 per year, which are declining, which the media will try to tell you is a sign of declining divorces). And that shows that cumulatively, in the last 115 years in the US, the net total of divorces / net total of marriages has reached 42% (I did the calculation a long time back, someone add the census data and verify). It used to be around 15% during World War I.

And it's still increasing. Despite the fact that absolute numbers are dropping, the D/M ratio actually went up from 40% to 48% in the last decade.

But why are the absolute numbers dropping? Because marriage and divorce are positively correlated, it means the divorce rate is decreasing because the marriage rate is also decreasing.

What about other countries? In Portugal, it's at 71%. Thought Russia was better? Nope. 52%. In India, which is claimed to have the lowest divorce rates on paper. it used to be at 0.1% two decades back, now it's 10x higher at 1.3%, which is minuscule in comparison, but the order of magnitude increase is a sign - it's actually skewed heavily towards big cities where nearly all the divorces occur, and the urban divorce rate is massively higher while the rural rate is nearly non-existent.

What about Islamic Bangladesh? Nope. 34% IIRC.

Before you cry fake, here you go : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce\_demography#Divorce%20statistics%20by%20country

Any country as it gets more affluent, becomes less stable as survival pressures decrease.

And these are first marriages. Contrary to what you think, the failure rates for second and third marriages are significantly higher than first marriages.

80% of all these divorces are initiated by women. 90% of the time, they win everything.

I wonder in which industry other than a program designed to weed out the weak is a failure rate of 50% is acceptable.

Weaken the masculine, weaken the family, and you have weakened the internal stability of a nation.

PS : And don't think everyone who isn't divorced is really as happily married as they seem. Maybe the guys at MRP are. A lot of people stay in shitty relationships that are deader than you think - only thing is that they aren't officially dead.

[-] TheDevilsAdvokaat 27 Points 2 months ago

It's no wonder men are choosing not to get married. And thanks to media the message is getting out to more and more men.

[-] OutsideTheCage3 11 Points 2 months ago

Getting married is signing a stupid, bad-deal contract.

Don't trust anyone here on this... just ask pretty much any guy you know who's been divorced in real life, or any family-law attorney. Or real Real World Divorce. There is no reason to sign the marriage contract today.

[-] TheDevilsAdvokaat 7 Points 2 months ago

I got divorced six months ago in August.

And I totally agree!

I will never be doing it again.

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[-] awakenedspirit1 11 Points 2 months ago

In the US, 70% is the often cited number.

Of the men filing, a certain percentage did not initiate. Men often need to be the ones acting to follow through with the divorce. It's a very complicated process.

My divorce is part of this, where technically my wife "broke up" with me and I filed and saw it through. To be fair, I had checked out of the marriage, but I did not initiate.

80% of divorces being caused in some way by women seems conservative. But 70% is typically the official number cited.

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[-] tomrule 6 Points 2 months ago

want to get married? check out the u-tube videos by this woman that is going thru a divorce. heidi bocanegra she is claiming that the divorce is all in the favor of her husband, you be the judge and decide for your self if you want to get married

[-] Verne42 6 Points 2 months ago

Also remember that the single mothers basically cuck all men via taxation and helps for mothers (you read that right: NOT families, but mothers), which not only inflates the average male SMV, facilitating more insidious hypergamy (making the 80/20 'Pareto' gap grow bigger, maybe 90/20), but also increasing the numbers of fatherless children, who generally are more of a drain in the economy than children with fathers, and are also an overrepresented collective in prisons, homeless shelters, and suicide victims. That's how it's going, and I haven't even mentioned the antinatalist propaganda that the West is getting filled with...

[-] WalterElliotArmstron 3 Points 2 months ago

"making the 80/20 'Pareto' gap grow bigger, maybe 90/20" Uh...……...ya better beam me up, Scotty.

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[-] SKRedPill 3 Points 2 months ago

I am not surprised by the 40% statistic in highly affluent urban areas in India actually. I have been there, there are lots of Indians in US universities, not to mention IT (or the fact that both Google and Microsoft have one at the top), and in each of their families and their next door neighbours as well there's at least one divorce. The older gen used to be the "stay till death even if miserable" and they can't quite believe what's happening with their kids.

They still run on this "arranged marriage" idea so they use something called matrimonial sites - go check them out if you want to learn hypergamy 101 in action. The list of expectations by the so called middle class girls runs down to the next town, and nowhere there is any line that talks about doing anything for anybody. Zero abundance. I have to tell you, hearing some stories more horrible than mine, I am disgusted at how low neediness can go.

Let's not get into the females in Indian IT. Hypergamy rules, especially when they're onsite. While they do that, the average Indian guy is usually a textbook beta male, and bachelors suck at standards. The modern educated Indian female is like what happens when hypergamy is suddenly let loose after a few thousand years.

And if even among the successfully married, most of them are living fairly shitty and unfulfilled married lives for the most part. I'd probably redirect nearly every single one of them to the MRP reddit.

Don't think that everyone's happily married just because they aren't divorced.

[-] Imboni 5 Points 2 months ago

Of course. Love that you gave such a detailed breakdown, it is 100% true. It could even be higher now because it is definitely going to cross 50% in the next half a decade.

On one hand, I feel bad that a country poised to grow will get fucked due to the changed dynamics from females working and unfettered hypergamy. On the other hand, the sadist in me enjoys the fact that everything is going to hell and it is becoming so easy to get laid. All you have to do is lift for a year.

[-] centaursg 1 Point 2 months ago

Often times the movies and songs are the ones that ruin the minds of young men. The lyrics and dialogues creep into the minds and the person starts internalizing such cheezy stuff as the way to live only to see that these were horrible. More betas guiding young people results in even more betas. Smart ones escape this or eventually apply for separation.

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[-] SKRedPill 1 Point 2 months ago

Stay away from all the media and you'll be normal. It's full of horseshit from the movies to the sitcoms and the cartoons to the news and newspapers.

[-] Granite_Pill 2 Points 2 months ago

What do you do if you want to raise children?

[-] Varsel 2 Points 2 months ago

Overseas adoption. Buy an egg donor/proxy 'oven': https://abcnews.go.com/US/straight-single-men-wanting-kids-turn-surrogacy/story?id=16520916

[-] SKRedPill 3 Points 2 months ago

And while men are trying that, women have much easier access to sperm banks, and then suing the donor for child support. Don't donate to sperm banks guys. The lesbians just love 'em.

[-] _BigDickBandit 1 Point 2 months ago

Where is that a thing? Sperm donors are legally exempt from this in the United States (at least that's my understanding).

It's the guys who agree to "donate" outside of the system to couples that are subject to legal liability.

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[-] goldaxis 1 Point 2 months ago

That is so unbelievably sad.

[-] Aggressive_Beta 1 Point 2 months ago

What makes you believe that you need to get married to have children?

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[-] WalterElliotArmstron 2 Points 2 months ago

My uneducated guess is that about 15% of married people would rate their marriages as "very good" or "excellent" in an anonymous survey. Also I'd guess that about the same per cent would rate their marriages as "poor" or "bad". That leaves the 70% in the middle who'd rate their marriages "average". The first synonym for "average" I found in my dictionary was "mediocre". I bailed out of two "mediocre" marriages and called it quits. It's a numbers game and the numbers aren't good.

[-] SKRedPill 5 Points 2 months ago

From my observations of numerous families (including my own extended relatives), I'd peg the number at less than 10%. The rest of the successful ones are often held together by kids and families, old age and the investments made over the years - but it is not really attraction at any level that's keeping them together.

Get to know people's daily lives in and out and you get to see all kinds of crazy stuff that no one shows on their FB or Instagram or to the public.

Most marriages are considered successful precisely because they didn't implode.

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[-] bakamoney -18 Point 2 months ago

Bad unsubstantiated theory