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- Hide Preview | 96 Comments | submitted 2 months ago by warlordchad [Post Locked]

Women today--especially beautiful women--don't want for attention. They literally have validation at their fingertips in the form of a smart phone, which of course can connect them to any number of social media apps, where the stupidest fucking snap chat photo will garner them hundreds of likes, along with a number of drooly comments from thirsty ass guys.

However, this attention is cheap, and deep down she knows it. Moreover, it doesn't scratch the itch we have as humans for visceral, physical, face-to-face interaction. We are, after all, the most social of all animals, which is why people who spend too much time on social media or trolling around on the internet have a sort of glazed, over-baked look about them, soulless eyes, and an inability to understand what's said to them unless it's repeated several times, and often not even then... but I digress.

The point here is that she wants your attention--real attention--as in your tongue in her mouth, your hands on her body, and your dick all over the place. And yes, that also means spending time with her going out to eat, watching movies, going on walks, etc.

The problem for most guys is that they are no different from anyone else, and so their attention is worthless to her--or if not worthless it's a cheap commodity at best. This is the conundrum for beta blue pill boys, who feel the need to defer to her constantly, think she wants to be treated like a princess, and bow to her every need like the white knight society has taught him to be.

The good news is that if you've been studying TRP (read the fucking sidebar if you haven't--and reread it occasionally), you're different in all the ways women crave, and therefore your attention is worth more to her than the average guy. I would submit that this is the basic decision point separating the guy in the friend zone, her boyfriend, and the hot guy she wants to fuck in a subway bathroom.

Another way to think of this is that what you are offering is of higher quality than what she can get elsewhere--drugs are a good analogy--and as soon as that stops being the case, you're dead in the water, and you've lost her.

So the point here is to be excellent when you're with her.

Be exciting, bordering on dangerous. Be sexual, bordering on inappropriate. Be courageous and dominant, bordering on arrogance. Make her laugh, make her swoon, but never, ever let her feel or believe that she's entitled to your high grade attention.

And then... you're gone.

Does that mean you never text her or ask her out or make a move? No--you're still the man, which means that if something is going to happen, it's up to you to make it sure it does. But leave her guessing at what you're doing when you're not with her. Leave her wondering what you're up to. Most of all, do what you want--not what she wants--because that's what Chad would do (maybe we should make bracelets guys? WWCD?).

That means sometimes ignoring her texts. Blowing her off. Making plans to do stuff without her. And yes: FUCKING OTHER WOMEN. As with all things, there's no secret formula--every girl is going to be different. Some need more attention to stay interested. Some need very little at all. It's your job to figure that shit out.

But if you're excellent when you're with her, and then you withdraw that attention, you'll have a good chance of keeping her around as long as you want to.

TL;DR--as the post says: be excellent, then be gone.

[-] TyroneTheDriver 163 Points 2 months ago

Pretty good write up, although those of us applying RP principles in LTR's I think fucking other women could be a detriment.

For me, where I am headed, TRP doesn't answer or quench the thirst I have for answers in regards to marriage and children, other than knowing that RP principles MUST continue into any marriage or LTR I have for it to be ultimately successful. I'm certainly not in a rush to have kids or to get married, and I certainly have a thorough understanding of just how skewed marriage laws are for men.

I wish people would offer their opinions on marriage and children without saying "Never get married under any circumstances and never have children." Well that just doesn't sit with my life goals. I do indeed want children some day. I want to be a father, and in my opinion, even though it may be counter to my sexual initiatives, having their mother in the house and in their lives as a partnership led by me seems the best way to raise well rounded adults.

I do truly believe that a 2 parent household is the optimal way to raise children and the only kind of situation I will willfully enter into, meaning, I won't raise children alone, wont raise another mans child, won't commit to a single mother, probably wouldn't adopt, etc.

Any men have any feelings toward this other than NEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES? I do wish I had access to some older RP men to talk to regarding their experiences.

[-] itiswr1tten 106 Points 2 months ago

askMRP is the best place to lobby this question, but I'll take a shot.

What you're getting at, in my opinion, is effectively beyond core TRP. It is correct and non-negotiable that core TRP is "absolutely never get married" and one of the nagging questions left intentionally unanswered is "what do I do if I want to procreate?" MRP exists because TRP reaches full stop at this peculiar point.

The reason for this dictatorial absolute is TRP teaches men to think for themselves via extremes, because the practitioner of said extreme will eventually reach his own independent conclusion of how to carry his life. This is Being A Man - deciding on how to do things for yourself.

Trouble is, we usually find boys and busted men in pretty rough shape when they get here. Fortunately, men are coachable and take to prOscription (emphasis intentional) and anti-platitudes well.

Don't listen to her words, follow her actions. Perfect example. That's proscriptive (don't do this) and anti-platitude (lacks any sort of moral authority and insists on observation). It helps confused beta men stop doing choreplay because wifey told them doing the dishes is sexy. However, once the guy starts to develop he'll ask a question like "guys she keeps nagging me to wash my feet, is this a shit test?" to which we reply "No you fucking dunce, your smelly feet are unpleasant." Then he reaches the Aha! moment of I Have Consider The Context And Decide For Myself, rather than posting an askTRP/MRP thread every 2 days.

Anyway, the purpose of that long introduction is that "Don't Get Married" is exactly the same formula. It is a proscription against living the blue pill fantasy of the unicorn, with plenty of applied knowledge regarding often unjust family law. But, just as you have done, guys who REALLY internalize the red pill start to feeling the nagging cognitive dissonance between the dogma and their personal mission.

Want my personal take? TRP isn't here to answer that for you, so fish in MRP or askMRP and figure it out with them (and eventually, by yourself). HOWEVER, I have seen your posting and you clearly get it, so consider making some top posts here sharing your knowledge and opinions. We need good original content, always. I think you'll find that many ECs here are really interesting guys with quite divergent views on myriad topics, but we're woven together by the core underlying principles. Stay long enough, and you'll find receptiveness from this crowd on the topic - just not on the main sub.

[-] TyroneTheDriver 22 Points 2 months ago

Thanks for the write up man. I really appreciate it.

I think you're correct. RP does come to a full stop when trying to answer the child question, can't get blood from a stone type of thing. It really fucking sucks to know the best course of action for recognizing maximum utility in my life are contrary to my reproductive biological initiatives, and it fucking terrifies me to think that I'll take the risk and be burned in the long run.

The only decent contributions I've seen, besides yours today, are from men who have basically told me that men in my position really only have one solid option, which is to understand the realities of the Game and to make a calculated decision weighing the risks involved with marriage and children, and that the fallout of those decisions must me managed, of course, by myself alone.

I am a planner, a strategic thinker, and not being able to effectively mitigate those long term risks really makes me uncomfortable.

[-] itiswr1tten 13 Points 2 months ago

Of the hardcore TRP and dealing-with-it MRP posters I consider authorities, none have a precise answer to mitigation of said long-term risks. Their practical solutions generally fall into the binary of "It just isn't worth it" and "I chose to take on the risk and the burden of performance is now permanent".

No one has convinced me (yet) this binary isn't the fork in the red pill road.

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[-] Aroundwork 3 Points 2 months ago

Our gender is built on taking risks my man. The core concept of finance is managing risk -- which is exactly what you do by first getting experience with women and the gamut they range, and then picking the right one to be the mother of your children.

My thoughts on the matter as a mid-20's guy living in a big city are that I want to meet as many women as possible, learn what I like and what's important to me in a woman, and then build enough resources for myself and have the option to raise a half decent family where I can mold a living being to be the greatest it can be.

[-] aintnopicnic 2 Points 2 months ago

Lmao who's been lying to you saying that there no utility in marriage. Ask a great man if he values his family and he'll say its the greatest thing that ever happened to him. Women make men better men as men make women better women.

[-] chaseemall 6 Points 2 months ago

This is the best response to this qualm I've seen here.

Glad you wrote it.

[-] Ramadillo 2 Points 2 months ago

This is great -I have been aware of this conundrum for some time. The advice/summing up here on how to deal with it is pretty much the conclusions I had come to. In fact I’ve been moving on a bit from obsessing about TRP of late and just living my life. On my terms.

It’s like when people say just be yourself. Well just being yourself is a terrible idea in many situations in life. But you still need to do it and the worse the situation the more you need to. It’s how you do it that matters. How to move through life with your integrity, maximising your success, skilfully navigating the relationships with family colleagues and society and your fellow humans environment. That’s where having social skills and personal awareness and internal discipline come in. And a long term goal /mission that acts as your frame of reference.

[-] TRP8myfeels 19 Points 2 months ago

Once you find a woman you consider worthy of marriage, there is plenty of perspective over at MRP to help you flesh out your perceptions vs what may be reality.

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I am on my second marriage and I enjoyed the hell out of the first and plan to enjoy this one as well. The contract cannot rape me because the women I have chosen to marry make substantial sums of money. Dual income households can be incredibly effective, but not for raising children.

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There are many very foundational problems with raising a child that test your relationship with your partner for about two decades. Finding someone that absolutely will not turn on you for 20 years is nearly impossible to vet for.

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In the end you are taking a risk and I personally choose to stack the odds in my favor, dating women that I am naturally already very close friends with, who also make solid income. I have 1 child and my new wife has 2, this means we go out when we have a babysitter and that is totally fine, however raising children takes a massive amount of your drive and attention away from any possible 'life purpose' you might set in front of you. Raising kids kind of becomes it for those two decades.

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They will fail you or they will not, they will allow children into your home that will rob you or they will not. They will become prostitutes and drug dealers or they will not. They will get molested or they will not.

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Your income level really plays a critical role. I realize now I could go all day talking about this in so many ways. If you don't make upwards of 250k annual I would not suggest having a child. Why? Upper level education from 5-18 years old makes a big difference in child development. Same with college. If you aren't prepared to put your child through classes to become an athlete or high level artist that gets into a world class university, you are pressing your children into a half ass existence. They will make friends with less levels of dysfunction and failure the higher up you go financially.

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They are still fucked up sometimes, money just makes freedom of choice much higher. Middle class slavery is the reason anti-depressant sales are constantly at an all time high all over America. The 'opioid epidemic' is manufactured out of the dull boring safe existence of the average household, it only gets worse the less money you have available.

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When you are wealthy, a woman that cheats is just like a broke man's woman that cheats, except if she leaves she takes a ton of your resources, but the chance of her leaving SO she can take your resources is pretty low. Women look to trade up, they probably wont need to leave you for money, only for more interesting experiences, or a better aligned partner.

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How do I know my current woman wont leave me? We match up on quite a few things and she is committed to living her life with me and developing herself in step with me. Few of her interests take her outside of the house and all those that do she does with me.

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Good submissive women are out there that aren't huge fuck off women, but I still believe they can change, you have to continue to improve all through your life and just be ready for the change. If she hits the wall after 30 years of looking great and you both decline together all the better, the risk becomes exponentially higher for a woman who is in her 30s with children. Leaving you means she will have to find a man to raise her children, she has to find a way to look attractive and financially maintain her lifestyle. There is honestly no way for her to do that, even with the financial help of her ex. The money does not replace a partner at all and they have to either neglect themselves, the employer, or her children. Guess which one she tends to choose?

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Plenty of women are aware of this once they have kids, it's a pretty good deterrent. I think the ones that break up that shouldn't do so because they are shit communicators so I really lean towards communication as the foundation of a long lasting relationship. That and a tendency to act like a partner, not like a single woman even after entering a relationship of any kind.

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If she's a plate and she's not fucking anyone else for months, a year, even though she has orbiters or whatever, she's probably alright. A fantastic plate will cut those orbiters off. True submission which is a tantamount to her ability to completely align herself with you. It's easy to be aware of these sorts of things if you tell her you don't mind that she's doing it.

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If she's doing any single girl shit you shouldn't mind, and if she isn't you shouldn't mind either. Your enjoyment of her and your total expression of indifference to her actions while you go along your path will be extremely informative and extremely attractive.

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Whatever any woman is, passionately be interested and pay fucking attention. Don't be afraid to leave them and seek others if they aren't incredibly submissive. Those women are out there if you apply yourself properly.

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Ok I'm done ranting. Hit me up or the boys at MRP if you want more specific information.

[-] TyroneTheDriver 1 Point 2 months ago

Thank you for the right up, honestly. Thanks

Write up. Yeesh

[-] tyronethejabrone 9 Points 2 months ago

Older RP men grew up in a different time. Society has changed, marriage has changed, and women have changed. There’s too much incentive for women to get a divorce and, as put by u/Fereallyred, women are less attracted to a tamed and domesticated tiger. RP principles shouldn’t just continue into marriage. You have to game harder.

[-] TyroneTheDriver 10 Points 2 months ago

.... Tyrone....

There can be only one.

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[-] grewapair 7 Points 2 months ago

I'm an older man, and you're nuts. Say you find the one in a million unicorn. That was my mom. Absolutely going to stay with her man.

Enter her friends.

One by one, THEY all get divorced. Every time they hung out with my mom, they told her how great it was to get all the support and the house, without lifting a finger for the man. No arguing, no effort, nothing. Every time she wanted to commiserate about how hard her life was, they just laughed at her.

Finally, my mom caved and divorced my dad. That is, as soon as the youngest of the kids was in school all day.

My dad had to pick me up on Thanksgiving with another man sitting at HIS table in HIS house eating the dinner HE paid for.

Stop listening to Disney. The entire system has been weaponized against you because they know you've been so brainwashed.

The only way marriage makes sense for a man is if you are a complete loser. You can barely hold a minimum wage job and even then you're regularly fired from one. There will be no assets for her to grab and your impoverishment will limited to child support, which will take 90% of your income so you can live on the street THE MINUTE she, and she alone, decides that's where you belong.

[-] TyroneTheDriver 4 Points 2 months ago

The divorce rape is real... What a sad injustice.

This kind of shit... man... it scares the ever living shit out of me. I cant imagine building a life, working very hard for everything I have, and the state stepping in and saying she gets half because you signed this paper years ago. The thought of another man sitting at MY table... man, I can empathize with men who lose it and kill. I don't want to be that guy. I can just imagine the feeling of needing revenge and being unable to control myself.

[-] TheGoldenLeprechaun 2 Points 2 months ago

I'm going to triple piggyback on this.

TRP is a starting point for males to incorporate their shadow. To become capable and competent men who can lift more than 50lbs. Aka to not be little whiny bitches and get laid.

There's nothing wrong with having extremely difficult goals in life. Can you imagine a 10yr old Neil Armstrong telling people he wanted to go to the moon? Most of them probably said he was nuts, it was suicide, blah blah.. Even to this day it's not the easiest thing to do. But I guarantee it's way fucking easier to find / make a unicorn and have a stable family than it is to walk on the lunar surface.

The question is. How hard did Neil study and train to do that shit? How much was luck a factor? That's the kind of work you might need to put in to achieve your goal, or any major goal for that matter. I'd say sustaining a multiple decade long relationship + having kids is a major endeavor. And if that's what you want, train accordingly. But juggling that and a career, and a bunch of independent hobbies... Certainly requires physical fitness, decent IQ, and some extra will.

GL.

[-] randomTATRP 2 Points 2 months ago

That was my thought too. Imagine having kids, you have to work 6-8 hours a day (employed or your own company, it depends for the hours), work out, read something and use the remaining free time to hang out with your kids/raise them. It's a 24/7 duty.

[-] TyroneTheDriver 2 Points 2 months ago

No senior executive I know that is in any way successful works anything less than 8-10 hours a day 5 days a week minimum, and they usually are constantly on call to their clients and answering emails on off days too. No way 6-8 hours

[-] randomTATRP 1 Point 2 months ago

Yeah, that was a loose approximation. Even worse...

[-] SeasonedRP 2 Points 2 months ago

One of the people knowledgeable about RP theory should do a post or sidebar piece going into detail about how women's sexual strategy works against you once you marry or live with one. I'm someone who learned RP through my own and friends' experiences long before there was a term for it, so I'm not qualifed to do it. It seems to me that once a woman succeeds in securing your resources, she views you as a sure thing, and starts looking at other options (friends like your moms are no help in this regard). Even if she doesn't have a realistic better option or views the costs of leaving as too high (e.g., social stigma), she still views her husband or live-in with a heightened amount of contempt and doesn't treat him well. I have seen this happen so consistently that there must be something to it.

[-] Trenned_out 1 Point 2 months ago

Yes the inherent nature of marriage and cohabitation reduces your attractiveness to a woman, its in their biology. In the past there were social constructs to reign her impulses in so women could not destroy families because their feels. However today not only are those social constructs gone, inf act society ENCOURAGES women to do this as if it will fufill their life goals.

[-] SalporinRP 0 Points 2 months ago

Ok well first of all you enter the relationship with a RP frame and keep that frame throughout the marriage.

Secondly any guy out there can protect his assets by setting up trusts where he is the beneficiary.

[-] grewapair 1 Point 2 months ago

Secondly any guy out there can protect his assets by setting up trusts where he is the beneficiary.

Idiot. That's an internet myth.

[-] SalporinRP 1 Point 2 months ago

No it isn't. You obviously cannot protect all of your assets but you can retain the majority of them.

[-] grewapair 1 Point 2 months ago

All assets prior to the marriage are protected without a trust. All assets received or whose value increases after the marriage, are split. A trust makes no difference.

You have no fucking clue. Good luck on your divorce rape, because you think you can protect yourself when you cant.

[-] _Anarchon_ 6 Points 2 months ago

I don't think there's any way to be red pilled and still get married today.

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You can still have whatever type of relationship you want without marriage, which is now purely a legal status. Marriage today has nothing to do with love or a good relationship, and but does contribute some negative aspects. There's literally no reason to do it other than your playing into societal entrapment, or the entrapment of a woman.

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As for having kids, I agree with you that 2 parents...male and female, are ideal.

[-] TyroneTheDriver 1 Point 2 months ago

If you cohabitate with a woman you have children with, are there any protections for the man as opposed to having married her? Doesn't the state still fuck you sideways?

[-] _Anarchon_ 3 Points 2 months ago

If you split, you still have to take care of your child, but you don't have to take care of her. Make sure you're not in one of the few states that still recognize commonlaw marriage, however.

[-] SeasonedRP 4 Points 2 months ago

You can pursue your life goals. You can get married, have children, and attempt to raise them with both parents in the same house. Your wife may or may not allow the latter to happen, but I haven't seen any RP principle that says you can't do or attempt to do all three of these things. Rather, RP says you shouldn't because of the realities of living under the same roof with a woman. If you know what to expect and choose to do so anyway, you've made an informed decision. What RP says is that the delusion some on here have isn't going to happen. You can't alpha your way to a marriage that most men would find acceptable. Under the best of circumstances, your wife eventually won't like you all that much and won't be very attracted to you. So if what you're looking for is a way to make these things not be true, i.e., make marriage similar to how things are before cohabiting, RP doesn't have an answer for that. If you know what you're in for and do it anyway, you can use some RP principles to make it better than it otherwise would be. But keep in mind that the nature of the conflicts you'll have with your spouse will change from when you were dating, and they will be conflicts RP doesn't have a way to address, which is why RP says to maximize happiness, don't get married or cohabitate.

[-] Trenned_out 1 Point 2 months ago

Yep, those seeking marriage today are trying to use red pill knowledge to achieve blue pill goals.

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I'm not anti LTR, i think they can be beautiful things that add alot of value to your life. But there is literally no incentive to get married in this day and age. Choosing to do so is "feels over reals"

[-] infurno8 4 Points 2 months ago

Isn't there the married red pill subreddit you can go to?

[-] TyroneTheDriver 1 Point 2 months ago

I've actually never been, but the other guy told me to check it out. I will.

[-] subzero416 4 Points 2 months ago

I second everything you’re saying besides adoption. Providing a loving home and family for an innocent child is one of the most fulfilling and meaningful thing one can do. I experienced this personally with my adopted cousin at 26 days, they are practically new borns and can be molded.

[-] MatrixofLe3adership 8 Points 2 months ago

I witnessed a temporary program where a little urchin from a suffering latin-american country (~12 years old?) visits a Church in the US. I also watched as the little rat identified the richest (presumably most gullible) family, performed his role beautifully, and acted like a little shit with an agenda around everyone else.

[-] bakamoney 1 Point 2 months ago

Sounds more red pilled than most of us here. :D

Either way you can get them young too.

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[-] adam-l 3 Points 2 months ago

Check out my posts on marriage and paternity, you might find them interesting.

Family, marriage, paternity: update your fundamentals.

Kill your marriage fantasies

Seven Bad and One Good reason for a Man to have children

It really fucking sucks to know the best course of action for recognizing maximum utility in my life are contrary to my reproductive biological initiatives

In brief, men's "reproductive biological initiatives" don't have to do with becoming a (modern version of a) father. In my opinion, the true reason men might want to have children today is that, in a society that's alienating its members, having "your own" children is the only way left to them to feel a part of something resembling their own tribe.

[-] ricoue 2 Points 2 months ago

fuck that. I say keep running dread and fucking other women even when you're in a relationship. If she wants to leave, fuck her, so be it.

If she values you enough she'll tolerate bad behaviour. Women do it all the time with men they're into.

[-] DancesWithPugs 1 Point 2 months ago

In my opinion the jealousy card is overrated as a sustainable strategy. It's not a particularly nice method. There are ways to inspire lust and loyalty without preying on insecurities. On the other hand, dead bedrooms and too much complacency are a call to shake things up.

Mild flirting can be okay. Taking it too far, cheating on your loved ones is a scum action, a so called Alpha doesn't need to sneak around and play mind games.

[-] Trenned_out 1 Point 2 months ago

You only have a surface level understanding of the mechanism by which side bitches benefit a relationship then. Its not overtly telling your main girl about it, that is not a good strategy. However, by having options and your needs being taken care of elsewhere, you will not become dependent on your woman. This prevents the need to force yourself to be aloof and expend all the mental energy so many here do to "stay alpha in the ltr bro" instead your ltr is set up naturally to stave off the negatives of being familiar and available to a woman. When you chose monogamy you chose the exact opposite, you cave into the inevitable slide into betaness that occurs in the inherent set up of monogamy. You are choosing to play a game set up against you by the entirety of human evolutionary history.

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You can dislike it all you want but sexual strategy is amoral, and the most effective options might not align with your morals. That's fine and to each his own, but don't argue against something because you don't like it.

[-] DancesWithPugs 1 Point 2 months ago

War strategy and chess strategy may be amoral on paper, but that doesn't mean destroying pieces has the same moral consequences as destroying human soldiers. You are responsible for your actions and how you treat people regardless of what a website or book says.

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[-] pbar 1 Point 2 months ago

I agree with you. Marriage and kids have been turned into something horribly fucked up in the modern world. But opting out leaves you with a worse problem, in my opinion.

The saddest old bastard I know is a guy my age (60's) who who plowed through scores of fine-looking women in his day. I always looked up to him when we were younger.

As time went by that started to change. I got married in my 30's, had two fine boys and a horrible marriage, stuck it out to be with the kids. He continued plowing through women. At some point I started to think, "Hey, wait a minute. I'm suffering, but I'm building something." My friend never settled down, never had kids.

Now that we're both fucking old, he's not very happy about how he's spent his life, and I've come to feel sorry for him. He's going to die and leave no mark behind him. My sons are a huge pleasure to me, they're doing well, and we are tight. The wife is now an ex and sort of peripheral to all of us.

I would never advise anyone to do it the way I did. And most of the marriages I know about, I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. But I do know a handful of guys with good marriages. Here's what they have in common, as I see it.

First, they are just calm, quiet, solid, strong guys to start with. They know what they like and they won't be swayed. They're very competent in their work and they know their worth.

Second, they're absolutely clear about what the rules are, for example, you cheat, I end the relationship, no arguments. There's no yelling and hollering and drama.

Third and most important, they chose very carefully, women who are a little old-fashioned, with strong mutual attraction and common goals and beliefs.

Lastly, both of them are very direct about letting their wives know just how important they are..."She's one in a million"...without fawning or kissing ass or losing their own dignity or lowering their own self-worth. Maybe "You're one in a million, and I'm one in two million" sums it up.

Even all that's no guarantee. Just my own observation on what I see in the few successful marriages I know of.

[-] Varsel 1 Point 2 months ago

Want to get married and have kids?

  1. Be able to afford alimony and child support, in case things go south.

  2. Limit the amount of financial damage the bitch can do to you in divorce court. That means rent a furnished apartment (no house). Cheap car. Separate bank accounts (keep your papers in a safety deposit box).

https://supersavingtips.com/divorce-minimizing-the-financial-impact/

http://frontierwealth.com/how-to-minimize-financial-damage-when-getting-divorced/

[-] SalporinRP 1 Point 2 months ago

If you make good money then spend the 15-20k to set up a network of trusts and you can protect so much that she won't get shit.

[-] OneRedSock 1 Point 2 months ago

Your viewpoint on the marriage and children situation is the same as mine.

Just recently hitting 30 I did some digging through Ancestry and the likes and really got an appreciation for my heritage and realized that I want children to keep passing on the line. That my family line worked through all these hardships since the beginning of mankind; and I'm just going to give up on it while living in one of the healthiest, safest times to be alive? That's weak, disrespectful.

So now I'm thinking of kids, and planning on how I'm going to find a woman who's worth the time and effort. As I consider marriage like pointing a gun at my head -- even with a prenuptial agreement -- I am trying to find ways to be married without all the legality created by the state. As a part owner of a company, I am certainly not going to risk my assets and employees' livelihoods on a woman's whims. My consideration is the perhaps just have a lawyer draft a so-called "marriage license" that's personal for me and the significant other, that would not tie-in any assets. I am uncertain if this has any legal benefits for, say, taxes and the like. Further, this appears to me to be necessary to side-step the pitfalls of common law marriage, which is essentially forced upon individuals who co-habitat for a certain amount of time and can have many deleterious consequences similar to official marriage.

I also agree with your belief in the 2 parent household; all the statistics on it shows it's the best for the kids and their future. Having a feminine and masculine presence in the household creates the healthiest children; that's a fact.

In any case, if you find more information on this type of stuff and the best approach for marriage from a TRP perspective, please let me know. I'm certainly interested in fitting many of the TRP principles into a marriage framework without putting a legal noose around my neck.

[-] TyroneTheDriver 1 Point 2 months ago

I think drafting any legal document would be seen by a judge in the event of any divorce as a form of a binding agreement. From other replies, finding a woman who has her own education and career seems to be most desirable, but if you do get married and she stays home more often than not with the kids judges can and will grant alimony.

A prenup, as ive understood it, u fortunately, can be thrown out at will by a judge, so there is affectively no legal guarantee on protection of assets. Also, in certain places, if you marry a woman with debt it becomes your debt as well, even if it was accumulated before the marriage. Crazy huh?

Some states do not recognize common law marriages, and you’d have to make sure to not cohabitate in any state that does recognize them.

Lastly, regardless you will be on the hook for child support payments. As men of course this doesn’t seem so bad, unless those payments are above and beyond the cost of raising those children. I’m pretty sure the funds go directly to the receiving parent too, to do whatever they wish with the money.

There are, realistically, as I’ve done my research, a grand total of 0 benefits for career driven men to get married. I, like you, am the last male in my family line, and if I do not have sons my name does with me. I pray to my ancestors all the time, and the drive to have children eventually is strong. I wish society made it worthwhile. Your “gun to the head” metaphor seems spot fucking on. I hate it.

[-] tyronethejabrone 158 Points 2 months ago

Recipe makes one alpha widow

[-] tempolaca 27 Points 2 months ago

I found out that even if a girl dumps you, she can become an alpha widow. She won't stop talking shit about you to all their new boyfriends, never being able to establish a real connection with them. Inevitably you will fuck her again.

[-] jbpostv 33 Points 2 months ago

If you’re a high SMV man one of the most impactful tricks I’ve ever played in a social circle, school, workplace environment are what I call the “The Hike and Audible” and “Ding Dong Ditch”. Works if you’ve got good SMV:

Hike and Audible:

Hike: in a bar, open social environment, etc direct open a girl and lay on some attraction boldly. Don’t show you’re won over but bleed your cards, create man to woman, 1-2 instances of kino, STRONG moderately sexual eye contact. Qualify briefly let your attraction dwindle from about a 7->4. Basically let her see she hasn’t impressed you yet and you really liked her and something she said dropped your attraction but not entirely.

Audible: Let something catch your eye over her shoulder(another girl, a friend of yours, something interesting, a fake phone call) tell her to hold on, walk away and after attending to whatever, open another set with indirect game like you got distracted and forgot to return.

When you return to her she’ll be all hot and bothered because a woman wants 1 of 3 things to happen: 1)High SMV takes her home and hook up w/ her at her comfort level 2) You fuck up and she blows you out 3) You’re a good SMV and your attentions valuable but you made it drab, easy and boring with weak game so she’ll lead you on and enjoy your attention then blow you out once you try to close or lead you on to close later and later

She doesn’t want a decent prospect liking her, losing some attraction then disappearing. You’re an unfinished set and the anticipation will drive her nuts until something better comes along and performs well enough. She might even want you more than someone slightly higher SMV because she feels invalidated that she lost you to someone else.

Ding Dong Ditch: works in social circles and ongoing closed social environments like work, school or a club. Same principle but rather than returning to game 30 min-3 hours later evaporate for days or weeks. Clearly open set and demonstrate attraction, then vanish for a day or some weeks then resume. I’ve pulled this shit to generate loads of simultaneous crushes in close quarters with plausible deniability. Creates social proof of loads of chicks being into you because you haven’t gotten blown out, are confident and sensual, and are difficult to keep the attention of. In close circles where you can’t fuck multiple women without getting circulated as a player don’t go fuck 10 other women go flirt with 10 other women she knows.

[-] warlordchad 16 Points 2 months ago

This is some dark triad shit here—love it.

[-] jbpostv 3 Points 2 months ago

Thanks man, I like it most because I open that set knowing I’m not aiming to close, so there’s 0 outcome dependence if you will. Opening without intent to close in that set shakes any confidence bugs and you can go into it knowing slyly that you’re gonna pull this fuck shit 90 seconds in. You can’t lose frame if you keep it then walk away with it. it’s just fun bundy grin

[-] BrutalBuccaneer 2 Points 2 months ago

New content, should be a post of its own.

[-] bemore_ 27 Points 2 months ago

You don't have to be excellent. Just self controlled, which by today's standard may as well be excellent, I'll give you that.

It's good that you point out attention but this only applies to high status men, in other words dominant men. If you go mgtow you can learn this principle of attention fairly quickly without needing to be high status. Take your attention off women and you will be on the highway to excellence as we know it today

My friend this past weekend didn't go out with a hun so that he can do his laundry of all things, instead he invites her directly to his place, shes there within two hours, they hook up, just making out and stuff then we go to a party without her, well she didn't wanna join really but this is just a picture of dominance through attention alone, as you point out

The value of attention is everything. The smart phone strips this away. I always wondered why despite having top game to where the girl is saying take my number, then the same girl is not replying to my texts cos I didn't take into account how I would be giving her a lot more of my attention through the phone. Social media makes an absolute mockery of male attention. Self control is everything, you don't need to be excellent. Keep your approaches short - five mins max, short interaction maybe fifteen minutes then leave, cut your dates short, texts short and go and do your laundry instead basically

[-] synpse 27 Points 2 months ago

There was a movie called The Tao of Steve from 2000 or around then. Basically there were 3 rules, and the title of this post is rule 2.

  1. Be desireless
  2. Be awesome in her presence
  3. Be gone
[-] warlordchad 6 Points 2 months ago

Shit I didn’t do that intentionally, but now I have to check out this movie.

[-] synpse 2 Points 2 months ago

Lol i know. And its a pretty good movie.. focused on what most of the comments are discussing. The diff between attracting and keeping. And also.. how to make a long island iced tea.

Idk if its on any movie sites netflix or hulu. But its worth searching for

[-] Mr_Badass 18 Points 2 months ago

Like 15 percent of women are Idealists, (Kiersey psychology). They goal in life is to search for their version of their ideal true love. They hate superficial conversation and fucking around. Those are the women that want deep connections, serious attention, and long term relationships. The good news is 85% of women are not like this, and love to fuck around.

[-] jcm95 7 Points 2 months ago

This sounds like blue pill propaganda, you are telling him to go find an unicorn

[-] Mr_Badass 1 Point 2 months ago

Im suggesting he finds girls to fuck around with because these types of girls are very rare.

[-] bemore_ 6 Points 2 months ago

The opposite would be a "realist". Meaning concrete real world things like value and resources. So no not really good news

[-] tweestytweester 1 Point 2 months ago

What are some identifying characteristics/behaviors of idealist women? How do you know the difference?

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[-] WoodleyWarrior85 11 Points 2 months ago

Basically, don't over-invest in any one woman. Guys make this mistake all the time. Oftentimes, guys will begin with a strong frame, and this is what attracts the woman in the first place.

As things progress, however, guys become emotionally attached to their "plate" (who is really now a girlfriend). Without even realizing it, they become clingy and lose the frame of the relationship. The girl wonders where the exciting, sexy, and dominant dude she met on the first date went, and eventually moves on.

The trick is to give attention only in valuable situations. Don't text her needy crap throughout the week. Don't spend days on end at her place watching Netflix. Don't react to random bits of drama she throws your way.

You've got work, hobbies, friends, and a mission. She fits into it, but the moment she becomes the center of your life, you've lost her.

I suggest hanging out with plates/girlfriends once a week at max. Make plans earlier in the week (like Tuesday), and check in on Thursday. This allows you to stay in touch during the week, but in a directed manner.

When you do hang out, keep it simple. Your goal is to get dinner/drinks, go back to one of your places, and have sex. You want to stay in high-energy, sexy, fun situations. Don't kill the vibe by going to a long movie, boring museum, or overly formal/expensive restaurant. A lot of "traditional" date ideas aren't really in the guy's frame...

The morning after, you can grab breakfaster together, but then get back to your mission.

Basically, guys overcomplicate things and end up giving women way too much time and attention. Ironically, this suggests they don't have much going on in other parts of their life, and thus kill the girl's attraction.

[-] thiikn 1 Point 2 months ago

Don't spend days on end at her place watching Netflix.

I have a hard time with this because my plates live away from me lol. I don't know what the fuck goes on, but I terribly suck at picking girls in my area.

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As for hanging out... I like to do things I enjoy and invite them to join. So, if I feel like skateboarding on a park I'll bring a girl with me. If I want to travel and surf on X beach, I'll bring a girl to spend the day. I don't know if that qualifies as "keeping it simple", but they sure enjoy it and will want me to fuck them again (I'm concerned it creates a "level" that I must keep though).

[-] WoodleyWarrior85 1 Point 2 months ago

The type of hobby dates you describe are fine once in awhile, imo.

However, they can't do done repeatedly. You're not going to go skateboarding or surfing or traveling with a plate every time you see her. If you attempt to, you're spending an awful lot of energy on these plates. You may say that you'd be doing these activities any ways, but it's more work when you have a second person along.

At some point the plate relationship settles down into more of a "come over, hang out, have sex" type of deal. Then you throw in a travel or dinner experience once in a while to mix things up.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 11 Points 2 months ago

Unabomber was right. Technology is slowly dissolving society. Women’s access to a constant buffet of cock/attention/validation is destroying the prospect of marriage, and thus the social fabric.

Unfortunately his solution of neo-Ludditism won’t work either. So get hyoerfocused on building wealth, muscle, and power, cuz this is Kali Yuga and the jungle is growing back—both geopolitically and within society.

[-] SoulRebel99 3 Points 2 months ago

Nice mention of the Kali Yuga, totally agreed and upvoted. ;)

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 2 Points 2 months ago

It’s essentially to understanding modern society and the core fiction of leftism

[-] redpill77 1 Point 2 months ago

I looked up yugas and Dvapara Yuga seems more appropriate for current times, as water and food are not yet scarce and families have only just started to disappear.

[-] scissor_me_timbers00 1 Point 2 months ago

Interesting. I think if you look into the totality of characteristics of society, we have either passed into Kali Yuga or are damn near. If you read more into these characteristics of the Yugas, you realize how they have to be taken somewhat metaphorically and with a grain of salt to remain coherent. There’s no time in human history that is 100% fitting of all the characteristics of one particular Yuga. The idea of Yugas is wrapped up in mythological thinking of the ancient Hindus.

Another thing to keep in mind is that there’s probably smaller Yuga cycles contained within larger Yuga cycles. Similar to how there’s 13 lunar cycles in a year, or cycle around the sun. So for example many think we entered Kali Yuga in modern political history, meaning essentially the French Revolution onward. The later Enlightenment, French rev, and napoleonic wars immediately following it, was the induction into the modern Kali Yuga.

I also asked an old Indian guy once when he and his people understood the current Kali Yuga to have started and he said when the British began occupation and colonization of India. This is precisely the same time— late 1700s, shortly preceding the French rev.

What characterizes that era thru now as Kali Yuga is the nearly complete untethering of human society from god and religion. Atheism an destruction of religion becomes the fashionable wa of speaking, holding opinions, and of conduction society. Man’s ideas rather than god’s ideas are what rule.

This can actually still hold for an certain type of atheist perspective which would say that what really causes the problems of Kali Yuga is death of healthy tradition and rise of modern political ideological cults. What we are seeing now in leftism, and previously in marxism/Bolshevik Revolution, goes back further to the French rev. There were very similar political cults at the time which ended in massive bloodshed. Desecration of the cathedrals too and expulsion of Christianity. Even for an atheist (a sensible one), this should be frightening.

Nietzsche is important to keep in mind too here as he was essentiall a prophet of Kali Yuga, observing and diagnosing the death of god as a massive civilizational catastrophe which would take 200 years roughly to unfold. The problem of nihilism which confronts us is the essence of Kali Yuga. It took a century from the enlightenment and French rev up to Nietzsche for a genius like him to fully absorb and diagnose what had happened to the European mind and society since god as a serious concept had been sidelined. And it’s now another century+ since the lone genius Nietzsche for the fuller effects of nihilism to be felt among the general populace. Fight Club for example is a good encapsulation of nihilism/Kali Yuga.

But of course there have still been cycles within the last 250 years since then. So we might say that for example the WWI-great depression-WWII era was a smaller Kali Yuga within the larger Kali Yuga. At least in Europe, and most especially Germany and Russia. Meanwhile in the US, things are relatively good, despite the depression. Our war losses were less and our empire was on the rise and many people were still religious. So the mini kali Yuga of Europe at the time was localized there but didn’t extend to the US, where we were still in an earlier mini Yuga (tho still in the larger Kali Yuga of late 1700s onward).

But currently in the US I think it’s safe to say we have passed into the American Kali Yuga. I’d say this most likely could be pegged to the late 90s, early 00s. Again, Fight club is like a diagnostic inducting the era. We also have Sex and the City, which to us red pillers we know to be a major influence of the modern woman’s perverse ethos. Also we have 9/11 right in that time too which has essentially kicked off a downward spiral of the American empire.

Again keep in mind that no description of the Yugas entirely fits every characteristic of any particular era. So your objection of those characteristic of dvapara Yuga I don’t see as overruling the overall vibe of insanity we have entered into. And since we are still in the early stage of the American Kali Yuga, things will continue to get way worse.

As an agnostic, I use these concepts pretty flexibly to just look at the state of societal function or decay.

You might also say that the American Kali Yuga began a bit later, in Obama’s second term. This is when the left began really going crazy and the trump era began during the campaign season. Although personally I would just say that was a deepening of the Kali Yuga which began about 20 years ago.

I know this is a weirdly long and elaborate tirade. I just got on a kick and thought I’d lay out how I conceive of it.

[-] metallicdrama 8 Points 2 months ago

Alpha fux Beta bux. The real men don't waste time validating women outside of sexy time. The chumps give them likes and comments and waste their time in the friendzone. The aware are like action sellers. Everything they do is escalation or moving on to where payday is.

[-] Wolveryn 4 Points 2 months ago

Fucking other women actually increases her attraction at that early stage. (For most women under 28 anyway)

It’s just the simple and rather obvious display of value

[-] clon3man 3 Points 2 months ago

or at least ability to fuck other women , which admittedly is hard to fake.

[-] p3n1x 2 Points 2 months ago

which admittedly is hard to fake.

Remember, women 'observe' and scan the physical world differently than us. If you go to a bar or restaurant and not a single woman checks you out, your girl knows this.

[-] RPSilverfox 3 Points 2 months ago

There is a post named What Would Chad Do and I just gave it a reread. Using this can help you when put in a situation where you need TRP the most. And in the comments of that post someone opined that to use WWCD you must first understand who the Red Pill Chad really is. This can be subjective of course but by reading the sidebar, top posts and books like NMMNG you can begin to put this character together and learn how to do better in life and with women. Good post OP!

[-] Flying_Wingback 3 Points 2 months ago

If you're into soccer there's a great quote by Jorge Sampaoli when asked about having higher % of possession after a loss:

"One night, I went to a bar, I was with a woman. We talked all night. We laughed, we flirted, I paid for several drinks of hers.

At around 5am, a guy came in, grabbed her by the arm and took her to the bathroom. He made love to her and she left with him. That doesn’t matter, because I had most of the possession on that night."

[-] thiikn 3 Points 2 months ago

lol Sampaoli is coaching a team in my city right now

[-] tchower 2 Points 2 months ago

Whatever I need to do to be that guy she wants to fuck in the college bathroom is what I need to do! Lol!

[-] warlordchad 5 Points 2 months ago

Crazy thing is, honestly just proposing that is something girls think is super hot. Try it sometime my man.

[-] tchower 1 Point 2 months ago

Woah, I never thought of that. I’ll have to try it sometime.

[-] thiikn 2 Points 2 months ago

I don't know if you are right or I just want to agree with you, because it's what I do.

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2 months ago, a few hours before my first date with a girl that has became a plate, I told her "I think you should bring a bikini" just to tease her, and we actually ended up watching the sunrise as we fucked at the beach.

Tbh, I was tired as fuck, but I always feel that I must be AWESOME on the first date, so I did it (and enjoyed a lot, of course).

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Right now? Well, I give 0 attention to her. Whenever I want to fuck her I just need a few texts, and she'll gladly come.

[-] _Anarchon_ 2 Points 2 months ago

This dude's woke as can be

[-] zcgk 2 Points 2 months ago

Back in the 80's by father, who was in sales for a large company, had a book called, 'The Art of Manipulation', and it was all about how to make intermittent reinforcement work for you. Same concept!

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Okay we know you watched The Tao of Steve

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[-] Future_Alpha 0 Points 2 months ago

For her to want your attention, you have to be good looking. Then you have a chance to stand out with your 'other' qualities, and often times looks will trump even that.

[-] BitsAndBobs304 0 Points 2 months ago

That seems an awful lot of work for trp, seems more like pua stuff

[-] SeleneCortez -2 Point 2 months ago

Now this, is cringeworthy beyond belief