I don't think this applies to everyone, but specifically the young guys maybe in high school/college/early career who haven't really had experience with girls. It's supposed to be awkward, its supposed to be hard, when its too easy it fucks you up.
Theory
For young guys, prostitution has a cost beyond the cash you pay for it. When you pay a women for sex, somewhere you're teaching yourself that you're not worthy of sex and need to pay for it to have it. Not only that, but getting it on demand and so easily spoils you and trains your brain to think that you shouldn't have to put in effort for it or improve yourself for it. Trying to talk up a girl becomes impossible and tiresome.
This is really fucked because sexual drives are one of the most instinctive human drives. There are even some theories that suggest that all human creation from skyscrapers to space exploration is the manifestation of delayed sexual gratification. Essentially, your sex drive is often tied to your drive to achieve things in life.
Anecdotes
I personally know of guys like this, that pay for sex early and get spoiled by that and keep doing it. One of these guys was 6'4'' big dude who went to the gym with us every morning. He lived one door down from me in the biggest room of the frat house and in my two years living there he did not have sex with one girl. This is despite literally hundreds of girls coming to our house every Friday and Saturday looking to get fucked by a frat boy. Yet he bragged constantly about how many girls he would fuck every summer from paid whores or how he got a blowjobs without paying for it and scamming the prostitute.
I used to be friends with a few of these guys but cut them all off. Every single one of them is really negative and kind of a loser not doing much with their life. None of them has lost their virginity with a real girl and is completely unable to meet girls, talk to girls or get into a relationship. People don't talk about that drawback of prostitution.
Devil's Advocate
I think if you're older and have had experience getting girls and just want to have sex it might be okay. Or resigned to the fact that you can't meet someone (like you're disfigured/disabled/super old/etc.) I can see how prostitution makes sense. My mentor makes millions of dollars per year and exclusively fucks high class escorts he pays upwards of $10K for. He tells me that relationships take too much time he could better use making more money but I'm not sure if that's the real reason. But either way, it definitely doesn't stop you from being successful if you're mature enough for them.
Serenitynow975 6y ago
Never had a problem picking up a chick at the bar on campus. That being said i went thru the escort stage just find a specific type. Sitting at the bar does take time to find what you want and then figure out whats required to accomplish the mission. Getting a room and procuring services i found to be just as time consuming. Sometimes they ended up costing the same. Bar tab. room. Etc.
guilhermovant 6y ago
I believe you guy´s just have to go on holiday to Europe and have some real hot fun without any trouble or complications. If you take the Lisbon Escorts in Portugal are some of the finest in Europe and are willing to please and show you the best time ever and it will not cost you a ton!
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When your time is at a premium, you may acknowledge the fact that all human interactions are an exchange of value in some form.
There comes a time for some individuals where you actually lose value by attempting to game women depending on time, location, and circumstances.
Return on investment. If you're in some bumfuck town instead of a bustling metropolitan area, you'll generally have a quicker turn around by calling up a dumb bitch over driving an hour out to hit a city.
pohlrich 7y ago
Op's post should be deleted.
op has no experience of prossies
op is projecting his own silly insecure assumptions.
op is typical moron posting crap with no experience to base it on.
flyalpha56 7y ago
What does your mentor do for a living?
imabadasstrustme 7y ago
He owns the biggest online firm in his industry and also owns a lot of real estate. But his revenue right now just comes from the company.
karezzadick 7y ago
I believe you can go either way. Maybe your SMV is low, maybe you don't want to pick up women fine, go to an escort. There's abundance, I don't find anything wrong with going to an escort even if you're as young as 20. Sometimes it's the best option if you're working hard on your job, career or studies and don't have time to go date women.
fur10us_falcon 7y ago
If you can't get laid and want the experience what do you suggest?
imabadasstrustme 7y ago
If you can't get laid then there is a reason which you need to address and fix. By improving yourself and working on yourself for a little while you can get to a place where you can get laid easily and consistently and not need to pay for it. Paying for pussy is the ultimate beta move.
StillHigh09 7y ago
This is bullshit. I have no problem getting girls,but I sometimes pay for a piece of pussy whenever I want to,because why not? 1 call and I get served whenever I want,however I want. I pay,do my thing and leave. No asking for relationship or other bullshit i sometimes get from a plate. Also,nobody will blow you like a pro does.
mental_models 7y ago
As an initiation into the power of leverage? Sure.
A few times a year after a big score? Sure.
Instead of sex with plates? No.
Because you need xyz to get hard now? No.
If you aren't a street dude, pay a premium for safety. Do not deal with street-level operations.
throwlaca 7y ago
I found that I fuck much better when having mutiple sex partners. I just get bored if I fuck always the same girl. Fucking an escort once in a while helps me get a high sex drive with all girls. They don't complain that's for sure.
It's not that I'm not worth it. I go to the gym every day, I'm quite jacked, believe me I have no problem with girls.
It's just that sometimes I want to fuck a girl with huge huge tits, like, right now. And that's hard to find. Same with a girl with huge ass. Or a black girl.
Now that I think about it, I fuck too much, ha!
GroundhogLiberator 7y ago
It's called the Coolidge Effect.
UncleChido 7y ago
Hey brother! Found you. Thought I was the only one with this problem.
caP1taL1sm 7y ago
I feel like this is what porn is for? That's the only reason I continue to use pornography despite having an insatiable LTR, is that I want a hotter girl than I'm currently with (and faker, skinny, not real).
imabadasstrustme 7y ago
Yeah I get that, that's why I don't think its as big of a problem if you already get girls.
For me, I actually like that part of meeting girls. Like when I'm lusting for a specific kind of girl. It makes it challenging and makes meeting a girl like that when I'm out so much more exciting. I don't even need to try and "game" her, its just so obvious I'm attracted to her and into her that the whole night is easy mode.
ShakaLeonidas 7y ago
Ive gotten laid off game and bought a hooker the next day just to keep my ego in check and keep the pussy off a pedastal.
Fucked a stripper for free after watching her make 3 grand in 2hrs from shaking her ass at dudes Who would have loved to fuck her... and probably have or would fuck her.
Once agian it put everyhing in perspective. If shes gonna fuck, shes gonna fuck. How you get her to fuck depends on how she feels and what she wants out of YOU.
The same girl you fuck for free, fucks for cash. Same girl who fucks for cash, fucks for fun. Its the perk of having a pussy. Dont hamster it. It is what it is. End of the day are you busting high quality nuts with the chicks YOU want to bust nuts with or are you perpetually jacking your dick to your favirote porn scenes or blowing your load in mediocre chicks that actually gave you the time of day because her wanting you for your "SMV" validates your ego.
Rollo_Mayhem3 7y ago
I like your point about how there are some people that need to pay because they have some problem and would otherwise be rejected if they tried to pick up a girl on their own. There is also a field of sex therapy which intends to be therapeutic but it is not legal in many states. Prostitution can provide some therapeutic value to men that struggle with sexaul performance, intimacy, or just inexperience. But it should not be relied upon, just like anything else.
thewrecker8 7y ago
If you're invested in a LTR you're paying for sex. Ultimately as men you're paying for sex one way or another. Are you buying anniversary presents, birthday, holiday presents, picking up a tab here and there, paying for concert tickets or some other event even if it's once in a while out of the goodness of your heart? I doubt many, if any guys in a LTR or marriage have their wife or gf pay their own way for everything.... If you weren't getting regular sex from a gf (and not a beta orbiter) would you still be springing for these things? The only reason us guys fall for a LTR is the premise of a steady stream of sex from some chick we find hot and want to keep banging for years to come.
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I think of prosties like junk food, it feels good but ultimately won't add any positive value to your life, and can only negatively affect everything in excess. Moderation is key. That said I think every man should pay for it at least once ton hammer into their heads that it's always a transaction
imabadasstrustme 7y ago
No I think masturbation is like junk food. Prostitutes are more like cocaine. While it can be done in moderation without issue, its potentially addictive and habit forming - causing long term issues if it is.
BurnoutRS 7y ago
Ive had the exact opposite experience.
"paying for sex says that somewhere deep down you know you arent worthy, attractive, etc"
When I paid for my first blowjob I had those same fears. Thats why I went for the blow and not even sex. Figured id get an encounter out of the way, gain some experience. Since that day almost 2 years ago, ive had sex with 3 girls by my own merit.
The truth is, if youre at a point where youre considering paying for sex and it seems like the only option, its likely true. Its likely that your SMV is very low and the complex you've developed by pedestalizing pussy is keeping it there. Its like how jobs want people with experience but you cant get experience without a job. Which makes it hard as fuck sometimes to get a job until you get your first one.
My first encounter with an escort gave me a real life example of how sex actually works. Its baffling to me how i failed to see how simple it is. You're there, the girls there, you're both naked, your dick is in her mouth. Why the fuck did i think that was so complicated? That one experience gave me a huge confidence boost and lifted the weight of being a sexless loser off my shoulder.
Either way you pay for the pussy somehow. Whether its money up front, the work you put into raising your SMV, or just the gas money/uber charge to get her back home. Does that mean youre not deserving of sex because you had to put forth some sort of effort?
If youre falling into the hooker trap then make it a rule that you cant call up that escort agency until you've done x number of cold approaches, or even gotten a lay on your own merits.
throwlaca 7y ago
You pay with compromise, attention and time. When your girl grabs your hand in front of their friends? that's the way you pay. When you met your LTR parents? you are paying right there.
Don't believe me? try to fuck your LTR and ask her to leave immediately. She won't. You owe her.
Trowawayantifap28 7y ago
Damn what a nice way to put it. Thanks for this one!
Shitonya_Johnson 7y ago
You aren't paying for the sex, you're paying for her to leave!
maxrp 7y ago
nope, you're paying her to not false rape claim.
PS2Errol 7y ago
Yep. For some reason people never seem to grasp this.
jackandjill22 7y ago
That's why it's useless. You're investing in an anchor in your prime age. WTF would you do that? I guarantee her pussy doesn't do anything that any other girls pussy can do, however you are spending large quantities of your life that you should be investing else where investing in a specific bitch that shit seems useless to me.
throwlaca 7y ago
Exactly my thoughts. But I will break her heart if I leave and she's a very good girl.
Anyway she probably will be fucking another guy in a week, AWALT.
cappadocianhawk 7y ago
One time while I was eating out with a FwB she mentioned how one of her orbiters was paying for an escort and how much he was paying, what a loser he was.
I paid for the dinner ( which was cheaper than the escort ), and took her home and fucked her. I'm sure the irony was lost on her, but I laugh every time someone mentions paying for escorts is demeaning.
Also you're a smart man. Every human interaction is a transaction.
creamynebula 7y ago
At least subconsciously I think she knows, the talk about the orbiter was she being defensive.
myrodia 7y ago
Rollo has some really interesting opinions on this extremely common situation.
Your FWB subconsciously realizes that there is no difference between herself and the prostitute as far as the trades they are making. But everyone sees the prostitute for what it is, while her own hypergamous actions can be hidden by modern social structures making men responsible for taking care of women.
In order to maintain that social order, women MUST openly condemn prostitution without a legitimate reason else the social structures supporting their open hypergamy will be revealed by 'lesser women' who gave up on playing the game and instead switched to overtly trading sex for money.
I'm sure I did an awful job explaining it, but it's a great read for anyone interested. I think it was called 'Pay for it?' on TRM.
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Nope, you pretty much got it. I could still never bring myself to pay for it though.
MikeAlphaGolf 7y ago
Interesting. I always kind of unspokenly sell it that I’m the catch and I’m doing her the favour not the other way round. Therefore, as I’m really the ho not her, she is free to act like one and we both win.
Ihaveamonstercock 7y ago
I live in south Florida. Many of the strip clubs here are just brothels in disguise. They have some super hot chicks in them, and everyone is for sale. I’ve had sex with many of them, and it was always just for the experience of fucking that girl one time. It was always fun and a good time.
It also gives you perspective. If you can buy an 8 or 9 for a couple hundred bucks, or fly down to Jako Beach Costa Rica and fuck super models for 100 bucks, normal hot chicks kind of lose their allure.
It really takes the normal hot chick off the pedestal when you know you can buy one just like her for a bit, or that’s at least what it did for me.
I also live in south Florida where we have super hot Spanish, Russian, and Haitian girls who like to fuck for money lol.
gorgerwerty 7y ago
Man - well fucking put. It's true. When you know you have enough money to fuck 10s whenever the fuck you want why would you give a shit if a 7 turned you down.
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Ihaveamonstercock 7y ago
It gets old bro, ever seen that movie training day with Denzel? There is a scene where he says pick a hand, and they both contain pussy basically. Either way it’s pussy. Don’t get me wrong man I still like gaming girls, but a lot of times the payoff isn’t worth the investment.
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Ihaveamonstercock 7y ago
Your think that the path to the pussy is important, I’m concerned with final outcome. My biggest recourse is time, and I’m not wasting it on gaming chicks if I don’t have to. I’m 30 I’ve slept with countless regular chicks and some whores. I’ve learned my time is way more valuable than gaming girls. And I’ve never done steroids, but I don’t think it’s a defeatist attitude, you want more gains figure out a way to do it. In the end, no one gives a fuck how you do it.
rmbarnes 7y ago
I understand this. I’m mid 30s now and have slept with almost 100 girls without paying, so I don’t get the same kick out of gaming a girl anymore. As my income increases, it’s getting to the point where the value of my time it would take to game a girl into bed exceeds the value of the cash I’d need to just pay for sex.
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Aren't you worried about disease though man? A hooker could easily bang three hundred dudes in a year. Even if she uses protection, shit happens. Condoms break and shit can be transmitted orally.
Ihaveamonstercock 7y ago
Where a Condom get tested, like it’s 2018 these girls aren’t fucking around with that shit especially the really hot ones.
Ihaveamonstercock 7y ago
Also bro what’s the diff between one of these girls and a random 8 you raw dog after a tinder date ?????? It’s all the same risk
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You don't think a hooker fucks more guys than a tinder skank? Like, a lot more guys?
jewishsupremacist88 7y ago
Florida is the whoremongering capital of the USA, next to Vegas.
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Ihaveamonstercock 7y ago
I’ve bought 20 year old chicks that could be models, fucked the shit out of them in private room, and went on my way. I don’t think it’s really beta, it’s just what I like to spend some of my expendable cash on. For me it’s buying an experience, with skipping so much of the bullshit.
zyqkvx 7y ago
You mean that $130 UPS back up power supply I never used for 3 years and just donated could have been a fuck experience with a 20 year old model? That makes so much sense.
Ihaveamonstercock 7y ago
You would first have to fly to jaco beach Costa Rica, but yea 100 would do it. Do some research
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Not here. A high class hooker will run you a ton. I knew a guy that got shitfaced and talked into a threesome with two top end hookers in Vegas and he dropped over $2,000.
As we were driving home, my other buddy turns to him and says, "you know that for $2,000 you could have purchased a round trip ticket to Thailand and rented the whorehouse for the night, right?"
"Yes, I realize that," he replied as he hung his head.
Ihaveamonstercock 7y ago
2K too much, I live in south Florida where it’s awesome for this stuff.
jewishsupremacist88 7y ago
yep. sites like SA have lots of young nubile girls looking to get piped down. some may hate on it but truthtfully..who fucking cares? it saves alot of time.
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Which website is this? Need it for research purposes
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Ihaveamonstercock 7y ago
I’m in agreement man. Chasing pussy a lot of the time seems like such a time consuming bullshit.
jewishsupremacist88 7y ago
i refuse to be one of those dudes who constantly comments on girls instagrams or lieks their fb photos. its a beta thing to do.
Ihaveamonstercock 7y ago
I don’t do any social media, except for Reddit
tanlkula 7y ago
Same. Keep the bullshit away
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imabadasstrustme 7y ago
I'm not trying to be mean, but you've had sex with 3 girls in the last 2 years? That's not okay. Unless you got into a long term relationship within the first month, I think you may be exactly the type of guy I'm talking about.
I hate when people say this, it doesn't make any sense. It's not about how much you pay, its about who you're paying and what you're paying for. The hottest part about being with a girl is her lust for you and genuine attraction of you. You're paying her to fake that and as good an actor as prostitute is, that isn't real and you know that.
BurnoutRS 7y ago
Its not ok, its great. Compare that to my first 21 years and add in the fact that I have a brain injury and am essentially disabled for the time being. I was rear ended by a dude going 150kmph, recovery is my top priority. The fact that ive been able to get those 3 lays in spite of my injuries means the world to me. Ive got a long fucking way to go man. I have to spend half the day in bed with migraines so bad I cant walk straight the day after I hit the gym. Which is an improvement because it used to take me close to 3 days to bounce back after a workout.
monsieurhire2 7y ago
I bet that u/imabadasstrustme didn't see that coming when he wrote that it wasn't okay. Yeah, you are doing just fine. Don't worry about stupid lay count.
imabadasstrustme 7y ago
You're right, I totally didn't see him playing the pity card and trading his dignity in for validation.
monsieurhire2 7y ago
Come on, dude. Let's get real here. Recovering from a disabling injury is serious business. I've read tons of posts on here about alpha guys getting injured and then being deserted by friends, family, lovers, and then clawing their way back. It ain't no joke. This guy getting laid at all shows he's ahead of the curve.
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Nocryingok 7y ago
Who are you to tell him “how much sex is success”? Each man has his own standards and goals. Paraphrasing JP: “Compare to your own past self, not to others.”
imabadasstrustme 7y ago
I find it really disgusting and pathetic when people ask for pity.
Ganaria_Gente 7y ago
Lol explaining his condition is asking for pity? Get the fuck outta here with that female thinking.
Rollo_Mayhem3 7y ago
how does one get an escort anyway..is it really just call up an agency? Anyone know of websites that walk people through the process.
chopcult 7y ago
Join Preferred411, the escorts are legit, safe and heath conscious. Usually in the $300 - $500 range per hour. Pricey but the quality is top notch. At least in Phx it is.
Atticus_Crowley 7y ago
backpage is full of scammers and a good way to get robbed. If you're actually interested, look up "The Erotic Review". Some backpage escorts have reviews there, so it's a good way to know what you're in for.
But as for setting up, the legit ones usually prefer email. A verification of some sort (picture doing a hand sign they request, and a reference from another escort, you may have to jump through some more hoops if it's your first time), then you set up a time and place. Good idea to avoid explicit talk, look up the lingo (incall, outcall, BBBJ, Greek etc.)
The more sketchy ones will just put an ad with a phone number and then you text them and they come over, you go to them.
Also just have the money already set aside and place it on your nightstand, or something.
BurnoutRS 7y ago
Just google it, backpages can be a good jumping off point. If youre in the states you have to go to the women seeking men section, elsewhere they just have a straight up escort section
I would say dont use the backpage escorts, but do look through their ads and see if any of them work for an agency. Find that agencies webpage and they'll usually have ads running on it for other agencies in the area.
There are review boards online which are an absolute must if youre going to do this. Shit can be dangerous. I didnt do as much research as I should have and kind of lucked out that the chick I went to see was actually decent.
But yeah a google search for escort + the name of your city should be all you need
Rollo_Mayhem3 7y ago
Thanks for the response.
What do you mean that "shit can be dangerous?"
BurnoutRS 7y ago
I mean you can get stds, straight up robbed. Ive heard stories about guys going to meet up with an escort and as soon as they get their clothes off big tony and his goons pop out from under the bed or the hotel bathroom and they take your shit. You cant really go to the police because prostitution is illegal.
Which is why if youre going to go this route you need to be as smart as possible, and even then it can be a bit of a gamble
Rollo_Mayhem3 7y ago
What about just if the girl comes to your crib alone. Sounds like the safest route. You can PM any suggestions or specifics if you want.
BurnoutRS 7y ago
And then she's in your house and can do all kinds of crazy shit while you figure out what to tell the police when they arrive. Then she'll show them the correspondance between the two of you where you solicited her.
That or she knows where you live in general. Thats enough to deter me from having an escort come to me. If i were to go this route id get a hotel room but then youre paying for the room on top of the girl.
ShavedApel 7y ago
Absolutely do not do an outcall with a girl you haven't seen multiple times. Maybe if its a reputable agency but if its an independent a lot of them are scum and low lives.
trpcounsel 7y ago
Jesus Christ this seems like so much work. If it works for you, great. It just seems like lifting and learning game is a much healthier route than scouring the internet for women that have literally been with hundreds (thousands?) of men.
BurnoutRS 7y ago
It is work but think about it from this angle, there are some of these girls who are reviewed on message boards. When you factor in that the average girls lay count isnt much better than some of these girls, would you rather fuck a girl whos been well reviewed, or a girl you pick up who hasnt?
Personally Ive only seen one escort in my life. I would do it again, but its not something I want to come to rely on or sink a whole lot of money into that would be better put towards business pursuits.
Im not at a point where im spinning plates yet either, but I find that if I put an escort's number in my phone before I meet up with a girl from a dating app or go out and do cold approach, it helps give me a bit of that abundance mentality. Even though I never actually call her and delete the number when I get home, its like, theres a garaunteed lay if im really that thirsty so I dont have to worry about getting rejected
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trpcounsel 7y ago
Many, yes, but not as many as an escort. Come on bro.
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trpcounsel 7y ago
Lol I never knew escorts were so health conscious. Maybe I really ought to try 'em.
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isochoric 7y ago
You're thinking of pornstars. A hooker isn't going to pay for an STD test every 2 weeks.
ShavedApel 7y ago
It teaches you that if you want to have sex with a model within 15 seconds of meeting her that you have to pay for it.
FTFY
Ihaveamonstercock 7y ago
Maybe, maybe not it’s 2018. I mean if your against I get it but too each their own . Ones in Costa Rica are regulated by government also
SKRedPill 7y ago
It is called 'life energy' for a reason. It is not wasted by feeding it to the sex nerves, rather it is re-directed elsewhere. In eastern cultures it's considered something sacred that should not be wasted. Condoms and the pill changed everything though.
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When did the Christians start infiltrating The Red Pill sub-Reddit? A bunch of stuck up prudes on here. I'm more offended by the high cost of prostitution. Decent looking bitches want like $300 for an hour in America? Like GTFO with that bullshit. We need to start importing hookers from Thailand.
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I think there's a good amount of wiggle room between being a prude Christian and just not wanting to use hookers...
MustacheCel 7y ago
Pretty early on. They think that because they want to marry a low n-count girl and have a traditional marriage that they are red pill.
BluepillProfessor 7y ago
You're to late. We are everywhere.
BoogyJubJub 7y ago
I tend to agree with point 3. Relationships are a whole job on their own. Anyways, you work hard being a romantic and cultivating relationships, or work hard making money. One way or another, you are working hard and having to pay. Both ways give you experience, both ways make you better specific ways.
ConsumingImpulse 7y ago
Sometimes it's just easier and more cost effective. You can fuck a 9 when "IRL" you could only get a 6. We need to get our fix sometimes and it's a guaranteed return of investment while you work on yourself to attain better "IRL". I also have a soft spot for Latina bimbos with huge fake tits that I probably couldn't get in reality, or aren't my normal type. You don't have to hear anyone's life story or what X friend from work said about Y which pissed off Z.
It's a flavour. Just don't make it a crutch. If you're only paying for whores, then you've got a problem.
Kalidane 7y ago
Yep those moaning stories about work. That's enough reason to hire an escort.
jackandjill22 7y ago
Honestly, any of her bullshit sounds like glass on a chalk board to me.
imabadasstrustme 7y ago
Lol this really annoyed me more than it should have. If you can only fuck a 6 IRL then you only deserve to fuck a 6 IRL! If you just improve yourself and work on yourself (get better looking, make more money, become more social) you can have access to the type of girls you want. But I totally get where you're coming from, when I was in HS I was surrounded by really cute girls but then went to a college with a high male to female ratio and suddenly I when I used to be able to get 7-9s easily, I was now struggling to get 5-6s. But that made me work on myself and improve myself and make it so that I have access, looks, status and skills to get those girls.
Haha but on a side note not sure where you live that you don't have access to cute Latinas with huge tits man. Where I'm from literally any college campus or major city is littered with them.
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TomeofBlood 7y ago
IMO it's alright to do this if you have outlets in life you want to focus on but not too much.
Dan Bilzerian has a setup that makes it easier for him to fuck hot women. I find that emasculating and lazy. It is better to keep your hunger for cold approaches and even sparsely do social circle game.
Most men let themselves go after a little success. They are lazy, unimaginative, not greedy enough. I understand that glass floors and ceilings are idiosyncratic but if you are a PUA and you get just a bit of success, it's not alright to just get out.
It's not alright to not invest in yourself and use crutches e.g. I got money so fuck game. You should be as self-dependent as possible.
If you lost all your wealth, income streams would you be alright? How alright? If you lost this (or any other setup), would you still be banging hot broads because going from artisanal pizza back to Pizza hut is going to have severe effects on your psychology. It creates feelings of envy, resentment. It crosses a line in entitlement relative to position. Feelings of powerlessness, low self-esteem, depressive tendencies etc. You may become a feminist, Marxist or something. Begin opening up your life to losers after a humiliation.
It makes you especially vulnerable to being more liberal, self-disrespecting, having an intense identification with the dispossessed, the weak, defeated, the poor, the ugly etc. (Leftist). Being a bleeding heart. Being a hateful, resentful, whiny beat.
Now, when you’re going out trying to learn this stuff, you will tend to be testing, refining, and iterating. When you're a farmer, hunter and a gatherer in many stages of reaping, sowing, killing and harvesting in multiple areas of your life.
You'll be improving yourself, taking the edges, have momentum and breaking free of all dependencies by expanding your capacities in many areas in a self-dependent way. You must need this. Want it.
In learning game, you’ll be doing different stuff, trialing different behaviors, experimenting with different looks, and the like. Discovering new things, applying and deconstructing new social rules and getting better calibrated ...
While there is a general upward pattern toward breakthroughs, often when a breakthrough occurs it will because you happened to do a bunch of things right all at once. It is skill, and it is hard work. Yet it is also luck.
To cement the breakthrough, you need to go back and examine what you did that likely led to the positive outcome, and then you need to go do it again. You must repeat it. And then repeat it again. And repeat it again.
If you’re able to continue achieving similar levels of success with the new elements you’ve added to your game or presentation (or both), you solidify that as a gain. You learn, conclusively, that this combination of elements and this approach works. You become confident that these ingredients lead to this outcome.
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Does an alpha man not want to raise his sister's alongside him? To be a leader and take us somewhere better together, brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers, sons and daughters.
We want to bring these women out of those jobs. If that was my mother, my sister I'd drag her out of that job by her hair. It would be hypocritical of me to continue indulging in this mud.
In this world. Your money is your vote. Why are we creating this horror.
ShakaLeonidas 7y ago
Dont save her. SHE dont wanna be saved. DONT SAVE HER.
TissueBabies 7y ago
Well, the way you say it is off putting ""raise his sisters alongside him" but it's still true. Some guys can't see past the tip of their dick. Others can see what's good for the preservation of the male gender as a whole and why that will build prosperity for the future. But in the best long term consideration we have to build up the weaker sex while we build up ourselves. Purpose built, into something beautiful and symbiotic. That will serve men the best.
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EM6666 7y ago
Justification for using prostitutes is male hampstering.
Doing things unaturally has consequences. We see examples of this all over: women not having kids, most of feminism, women with high n counts. Studies are now showing the adverse effects of such behaviour.
Reasonable to assume gaining sex without "earning" it will have negative long term consequences.
Raisincel 7y ago
It's honestly true. I'm probably still going to visit escorts in the future though because society as a whole is probably never going to return to conservative values until it collapses. Trump is the only one who can purge the demonic forces behind the societal shift, if he fails it's over.
TissueBabies 7y ago
I agree. Paying for sex seems quite antithetical to the alpha mindset. "I'm so great that I pay for my sex." That line doesn't work. The logic some of these guys are using... they should be strict MGTOW with prostitutes on the side. At best they don't see the cognitive dissonance "I'm burnt out on the work it takes to have sex with lots of women" So enter a LTR and have lots of sex with one woman. "No. I still want to have sex with lots of women. I'm going to work hard and spend that money to have sex." And at worse they are guys that should have nothing to do with TRP that want a system of beliefs to back up their reasoning so that they can feel validated in their choices.
ShakaLeonidas 7y ago
Paying for hooker is about as alpha as it gets. 1. Complete frame control. She does what you want, how you want it, when you want it. Then leaves after your satisfied. Your money did all the talking all the gaming etc etc.
I even had 2 that cooked and cleaned my crib while one sucked my dick. All it took was 180 bucks. Not 1 but two 20 yo HB 9s basically acting as sister-wives for $180 bucks.
I didn't need to build rapport. They built it for themselves.
ALPHA=Dominance But to the female the almighty $ is a deity. They will fuck for charisma and or looks... sometimes. They will fuck for a buck EVERYTIME. if they cant do it THEY will find somebody to do it for them. The best game is "no game" and Benjamin Franklins dont play no games.
EM6666 7y ago
Well stated! I completely agree.
imabadasstrustme 7y ago
I completely agree and this is the basis of my entire post. I guess I misjudged the amount of men here who frequent prostitutes and how this may challenge their beliefs.
EM6666 7y ago
It's the same reaction when you dispel the wage gap to feminists.
Humans need to protect their egos. So instead of: "No one will date me because I'm fat and discussing" it becomes: "Society is to blame for men finding young fit women attractive".
Or in this case: "I'm pathetic and can't get a woman to find me attractive, unless I compensate her to fake it for me" becomes: "I don't pay her for sex, I pay her to leave".
Humans are humans. Lying a cheeting have consequences. In this case, getting reward without the effort, and the rationalizations or lies one has to tell oneself will have long term consequences. All lies do. If you're not facing the world as it is, then your going to be misguided at the very least.
PS2Errol 7y ago
Nothing to justify - and who would a man be justifying it to?. Sex is just sex. Everyone pays in some way and plenty don't want any kind of relationship and therefore pay a sex worker for sex (and to leave afterwards).
EM6666 7y ago
And here we see the male hampster hard at work.
MisterRoid 7y ago
What is there to justify? If I want a good blowjob, I don't mind paying for it. It's not really different from paying for a massage.
EM6666 7y ago
Reward without the effort. Congratulations, that's exactly what feminists want.
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EM6666 7y ago
Wrong category of effort. Meaning there was none of the work required during normal mate selection.
In order to get sex you have to be a man. Paying for it means you don't need to do any of the work it takes to become a man worthy of sex. Ultimately stunting who you could or should be.
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EM6666 7y ago
The Red pill is about reality. The second you start hampstering and bullshitting yourself, you're the one ultimately getting fucked over.