Title says it all. A few years ago I started training Muay Thai and BJJ and it was the best decision I ever made. MMA gives you a special kind of alpha confidence that nobody else has. The following are some benefits I've found:
Frame
With MMA frame comes naturally. No more worrying about that big guy at the bar hitting on your girl or an angry ex. When you walk in a room you are automatically the alpha. There is a special kind of confidence that comes with knowing you could make anyone in your immediate surroundings your bitch. Further, it promotes stoicism. Sparring and rolling takes toughness and resiliance and helps you deal with real life stresses.
Physical Appearance
This one is obvious, MMA training is fucking instense and it gives you low bf and lean ripped muscle. I also lift heavy 3 times a weak though to keep my size up.
You can get away with doing beta shit
This one is huge for me. I am naturally a very nice guy, super chill, go with the flow, laid back and enjoy a certain steadiness in my life. I like LTR's and I enjoy doing cute things like nice dinners and scenic hikes with women, its just who I am. Now I dont take shit from women and I am socially aware enough not to overwhelm them with lovey dovey bullshit but i do have some very beta traits as listed above that might turn women off.
The great thing about about MMA is it allows you to display some of these traits like oneitis etc. Think about it, if a redpilled 'alpha fux' type hits on my gf or dms her no matter how alpha the dude comes across your girl is going to see him as a beta compared to you because she knows yoi could fuck him up if he ever tried to break your frame, take your possesions, etc.
Here is my favourite example: I was seeing a girl and early on she invited me to visit her college. I kid you not (this is so beta) drove 1.5 hours to see this chick. We were going to a party were her ex and all his friends were gonna be (they have the same circle of friends). This guy was so redpill I almost wanted to commend him, jacked, was a total dick to women, broke it off with her to fuck bitches and im sure she still had feelings at this point etc. Anyway he was talking some shit before saying how Im a pushover for coming to visit and I made a comment that relayed back to him about how he would be calling me daddy and cooking meals for me if we got locked in a room together (because of my training). Anyway he hears this and hears ive done some amateur muay thai/bjj comps and all of a sudden the dude has better things to do than show up to the party, fucking lol. So I go into this completely hostile territory with all his friends and am able to walk in without it effecting my frame at all. His friends were chill but you could tell maybe a little hostile but it didnt effect me because i knew i could fuck them up if they disrepected me in any way shape or form. Girl notices this, tells me after that weekend she was so much more attracted to me blah blah blah ... still seeing her a year later.
NOTE: Its important to note that this is not about beating people up and assaulting them. Thats how you get a record. It is about knowing deep down, that if its you and another alpha their life is in your hands, you are their god. That is where the confidence comes from.
In addiotion to MMA it is also important to have a good job and and good circle of friends :)
bsutansalt 6y ago
TL;DR since the OP failed to include one...
Martial arts is great for two primary reasons:
It's great exercise.
Tertiary benefit:
fleable 6y ago
Man, I keep reading these comments and All I AM seeing is guys trying to protect they’re ego.
Being big and tough, and tall does not matter in a fight, all that matters is the DOG in you, willing to die to beat the motherfucker, with trainning in any combat style you achieve that.
Guys, everybody’s got a chin, being big and buff does not defend your chin, if some big ass dude comes to fight me and he has his hands low or not protecting his chin, he gets ko’ed stiff.
Knowing what to do, when to do it is everthing, you can lift as much as tou want if you fight a giu that is doing mma tou are fucked.
220 lbs gorrila, some street fights here and there vs 155 lbs mma fighter, experiece in stand up and blue belt BJJ , think , who would win? And btw we ,,mma” fighters atack the eyes, kick the balls and all the nasty stuff, we fight good in the ring outside its a dogfight for sure.
NofapFrance 6y ago
this. Never saw so much hamstering in one post. Guys, you have to accept it, martial arts helps tremendously if a street fight break out, but then the best defense is not getting in a fight. But knowing how if you have to is always a BIG bonus.
Cearball 6y ago
there was an open "mma" type of fight I went to on the weekend.
One of the fights ended up being a 19 year old 60kg 5'5'' guy against a 50 year old 110kg-120kg 6'5''. Smaller guy had a lot more experience & won but it wasn't a walk in the park & really did open my eyes to just how much a far bigger person with little training could mess you up.
throwawaydegar 6y ago
10+ years of Muay Thai over here.
The feeling you have can be described as blue belt confidence.
Training does not mean you can take people who don't. A dude bigger than you who is just rougher and from a harder place will fuck you up even if he has never been to a fight gym in his life. The most technically skilled person does not always win fights.
blackswans042 6y ago
As someone who is training mma, not for long, 4 years with breaks I can't but notice how he made "I train mma thus I am stronger" point. Which is false, one thing in our gym that's always explained is street fights, and how it's not and can not be the same as gym.
In gym you train with people, and you become friends, if they knew they will hurt you long-term , they wouldn't fight you.
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Michael_Negron 6y ago
Yes a 220 pound dude will be difficult to take down/control BUT if you can survive the first 20 seconds there’s no reason you shouldn’t have the advantage.
Edit: not advocating street fighting or any of that sorts.
Edit 2: shouldn’t
throwawaydegar 6y ago
The point is its a dangerous way to think. Nobody should get in street fights and the mentality of the post could get someone hurt.
hgne 6y ago
Money trumps fists. Ask all the hotties who monkey branched from you knuckle heads to me. We laugh about it while sailing the Caribbean. It’s priceless when they look over and smile when I’m in my Bugatti. Keep tapping guys while I keep tapping your girlfriends.
HalfSharkAlligator11 6y ago
https://youtu.be/tCmOhrpsLRQ
I feel like you dont train at all. In a pure sense there is nothing you can do against a trained martial artist no matter how rough and tough you are. Take this video as an example. The thug doesnt get a shot in when its 1v1
throwawaydegar 6y ago
I don't train much anymore. I do teach a lot though and I've seen Blue belt confidence in maybe 100+ students.
It always makes me cringe. It's part of the journey though. If you stay with mma you will read your post in 5 years time and you wont agree with what you wrote.
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ac_bro 6y ago
So you’re telling me if you ever got into an argument with an untrained Francis ngannou you would fuck him up ? You really think you can beat up people who are twice as big as you just because you do mma as a hobby?
Fighting is one of the most if not the most athletic sports ever . Strength and raw athleticism are a huge advantage that can overcome inferior technique. Just don’t think you’re invincible that’s all I m trying to say . You’re not invincible , you’re an average bro who enjoys martial arts . There are many bros like you who have been doing it longer than you or are simply bigger than you . I d like to see you spar someone who has 30kgs on you (and not all in his belly) with like 6 months of training he’ll probably fuck you up.
throwawaydegar 6y ago
Often they are the most dangerous!
Sparring with someone my size with good skills I usually do just fine and it's fun.
So big fucker on his third class going all out. He might catch me some flailing arms all over the place.
Michael Bisping said the exact same thing. He's pretty good and even he feels this way.
HalfSharkAlligator11 6y ago
You are a classic case of the "I just go blank bro" when you are fighting someone relatively close to your size (I'm not talking a discrepancy of 40+ lbs) you are going to win 95% of the time saving 5% for a lucky shot if you are trained. This isnt ground breaking, its logic. If you played varsity basketball you will destroy someone on the court if you are around the same height if theyve never played. If they have 6 inches on you its a different story
throwawaydegar 6y ago
"I just go blank bro"
What does this mean?
HalfSharkAlligator11 6y ago
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DQwHameJymCo&ved=0ahUKEwjE7vrcsMXaAhWh5oMKHWN6CAsQwqsBCCMwAQ&usg=AOvVaw29oo898ZxYvYSFdhQHQdBy
Here you go, Joe Rogan. BJJ blackbelt, TKD blackbelt and trains boxing, muay thai, wrestling etc. talking on trained vs untrained people. I truly feel like you have never been to a gym before because you would know the hopelessness of rolling with a bjj brown/blackbelt. A brown belt at my gym only 150 lbs fucks me up, I cant do a thing and I have 40 lbs on him
throwawaydegar 6y ago
OK man, I don't mind. Its all good.
TaylorWolf 6y ago
That goes for Muay Thai but not BJJ.
With BJJ a smaller guy is much more likely to choke out (destroy) a big scary guy than if he had Muay Thai skills to land a liver shot or some shit.
throwawaydegar 6y ago
OK. One day though you are going to roll with a dude who is just freak strong on his first class and realise you can't get your normal high % stuff. It happens to everyone.
I use to hit triangles a ridiculous amount. I rolled with a new guy and I literally couldn't get my legs together round his fucking traps and he just shrugged everything off. He was some power lifting monster. He had no neck to choke! It's good though. It's good to know it's out there.
In the gym that's fun. In a bar or a street somewhere this gorilla of a man straight murders me. He has no belts. No fights. It would not matter.
Luffysstrawhat 6y ago
When someone's bigger than you just go for the heel hook or the knee bar works every time when I roll with a big new guy
TaylorWolf 6y ago
Rear Naked Choke is the highest percentage submission... a simple arm-drag or double under-hooks clinch to the back with end most of these big guys quickly. This is what Royce Gracie in the original UFC was all about
ImHerWonderland 6y ago
I am not a big big guy by any means.
185lb, 6", probably 15-16% bf. Not jacked or yoked.
Buddy invited me to a bjj gym to roll. I did it as a kid from first to sixth grade, but stopped after that. Instructor paired me with a sixteen year old kid. Then a woman. Then some of the other students. Until finally I was rolling with the best student they had, and tapped him with an armbar.
Imo having a basic sense of technique, and having the strength to go with it completely trumped their higher knowledge of technique but no lifting. I'm not knocking bodyweight but it seemed the entire gym was technical experts, and even the instructor said he was shocked. Had anyone in there incorporated lifting with their bjj training though I would've gotten fucked. Strength goes a long ways.
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That wouldn't happen in my club.....all the top guys lift.
Lifting and running have accelerated my development in judo. Rolling shouldn't be much of a workout......if it is, you're doing it wrong, imo.
SpecialSpnk 6y ago
Most of our classes are one hour and if I am going hard it is a hellofa workout. Granted most people in the class outweigh me by 60 lbs...Working on changing that now. BJJ is amazing
ImHerWonderland 6y ago
If you're going with someone the same level as you it is absolutely a workout. If it isn't, you're not exerting yourself enough.
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There's a reason we go 2 hours.... if you don't pace yourself, you get gassed.
Trust me, it's the noobs working the hardest. When black belts square up, the efficiency of movement is incredible.
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Yup. It's good to have confidence, but knowing limitations shows intelligence. I wouldn't have talked shit to a group of men, that I don't know, in a place that I don't belong. I'd hold my head up, sure. I'd shrug off any insults, sure. But I wouldn't talk shit. Not a beta, but I've seen, and unfortunately felt, the negative outcomes that can come from such a situation.
Clueless_Norse 6y ago
Also there are rules in MMA. You never know what might happen in a street fight.
Someone might pull a knife, gun, etc. And few will walk away from a knife-fight without cuts or worse.
I am no expert, but the hand-to-hand combat I trained in the military, even if it gave me great confidence, also humbled me in the sense that weapons will fuck you up if used.
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SpecialSpnk 6y ago
Yea OK BUD! Cause you will be willing to go to prison for 25 years cause u was dis'pect'd. Yea right, take that internet gangsta shit out of here
TaylorWolf 6y ago
I used to hate and dread when people would ask me "what do you do"
...now I love talking about MMA training (to anybody) It immediately puts that hardworking rich guy that is so desperate to look down on you in his true place and has him questioning the time he has invested in his less rewarding career.
isochoric 6y ago
If you're not a coach running your own gym or in the top 10 of an mma org, you have no right to be talking shit about that hardworking rich guy.
TaylorWolf 6y ago
Did he make his money by creating something beautiful and/or excelling and his craft?
Or is he just a cut-throat corporate cunt that pushes 1s and 0s around all day?
I have massive respect for one but not the other.
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I think what he means is, when arrogant 'rich' pricks are being condescending, it's not hard to shut them up by mentioning you've fought, etc. and maybe even dropping a hint that they need to quit with the disrespect.
TaylorWolf 6y ago
Yea it's those guys that reek of insecurities because you can tell deep down they are tired of grinding so hard for something not as rewarding as they thought it would be... so they look down on people who prefer to have a more free schedule.
It's the exact same type of confused energy that unhappy couples have who look down on you for being single and free.
I guess just dropping the word "rich" here has different meanings and throws these redditors into a frenzy. Probably because they are chasing that carrot on a stick also.
Now if I met someone super creative and talented who happened to become rich for excelling at their craft I would have unlimited respect for them (and they would respect me for grinding hard working at my dream) it's those 1s and 0s pushing corporate cunts I can't stand. Fuck movie producers, it's the writers and directors that matter to me.
Ppppap 6y ago
If anything, rich guys have more likelyhood of having training as well, due to availability of time and funds but usually don't take mma all the way to the top to lessen chances if injuries.
Arrogant rich guys are usually fake rich or only recently rich.
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Not sure how many rich guys you know, but they're usually EXTREMELY busy, working 80+ hours a week.
Ppppap 6y ago
Many. But the 80+ hours a week guy is chasing a dream and ended up not being able to get away from the empire. Not everyone got rich chasing their dream.
Offspring of rich people are interesting as well. They have usually acquired more skills than most after high school. Many includes combat training.
DatAEK971 6y ago
I'm in a stand your ground state. Which means, if your try to Bruce Lee me or whatever, you will catch a few 230 grainers right quick, and it's legal.... I have no duty or obligation to retreat lol. All that empty hands shit is great, I still box and dabbled in Krav Maga for a few months off and on in my early 20s. But here's the thing, you never know what a guy has... Those dudes coulda been strapped. Maybe just one had a piece or even a knife or maybe all of them had glock 19s with HSTs, cocked and locked ready to rock. 15+1 little deathflowers that will turn you into Swiss cheese at 1000+ feet per second. Ain't no BJJ or Muay Thai gonna help you there. At all. You will take the room temperature challenge.
You never know. Best to be low key and not be to tough guy. You just never know. Even a blade is highly effective in CQB, unless you really know how to defend against it, you're probably fucked. Just be careful. There's always another dude tougher, meaner, more skilled, crazier, and more capable than you. You just never know.
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Constatine7 6y ago
Hell yeah. Knowing how to fight is just part of being a man. The reason us men are big and strong is so that we can do work and protect our women. If you can do that you hold value as a man.
neso225 6y ago
Tbh you sound like a little bitch i agree its good to train martial arts but you cant beat them all so what if youve been trainig 3 years or more maybe u suck maybe u dont idk but you cant beat em all stop lying to these people even mike tyson was a beast people thought he would never lose well guess what he did my point dont geto overconfident with that because you dont know what might happened
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[deleted] 6y ago
The sport-fighting meme has to be euthanised, and soon. Blue Belt Confidence is real and dangerous for the sufferer. Ex-prisoners scare me much more in combat terms than MMA practitioners.
D0wney 6y ago
I've been interested in doing MMA or something similar as a compliment to lifting but have always thought about two things:
Cost? What would you pay for these gyms? Are some complete rip offs?
What advice would you give to these points?
SpecialSpnk 6y ago
Training combat sports leaves one very prone to injury. Just realize that at any point in time you could be injured. It is very rewarding but also very risky.
Centipede2828 6y ago
You're still insecure as hell. A true alpha will never worry about how alpha or beta he's coming across and won't try to start shit with everyone because he doesn't feel threatened. You have a lot more to learn but you're on the right track.
bot256 6y ago
On the one hand, I agree about training martial arts. On the other hand, however, sparring in the gym and being surrounded by several dudes that are hostile to you are two different things. If those guys really wanted it, they could have waited for you outside and no matter how good of a fighter you are, go up against 5 dudes and your chances go down drastically unless you are some experienced, battle-hardened with over 30 years of experience fighter. I have been training kickboxing for 5 years and was still a major beta up until fairly recently and trust me, nothing I've learned from the gym helped me against my raging oneitis when I had it and that was fucking me up big time. There are mental benefits to martial arts that are indeed huge but it won't make up for not paying attention to TRP and allowing yourself to do beta shit. Learned that the hard way. Might be different for you, I hope it is. It's just that some of the things from your post aren't what TRP preaches and you kind of come off as a tryhard the way you framed your story in this post. Still, though, kudos for employing MMA confidence in real life, it seems to be working for you better than it has worked for me.
vomit_romney 6y ago
Some humility will help you. While fight training definitely promotes frame (particularly with strangers), You're off base.
Didn't need any fight training for that. RP knowledge and lifting alone did that for me. No longer gave any fucks about the big guy hitting on the girl 'cuz she wasn't mine to begin with and I don't mate-guard, and well, any angry exes can fuck off. Entering the room weighing 204lbs at 11%BF shows more alpha than any fight training.
Really? Guess my academy is really weird. Seems the guys that have been around longest (AKA most liable to 'fuck you up') also look and act least like the part. Most dangerous guy at my club? Looks like a caricature of Glen Quagmire from family guy. I'd love to watch you make him your bitch.
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HalfSharkAlligator11 6y ago
Buddy I'm speaking generally. If you train youre ahead of 99% of people. The people who start shit with you at the bar arent the people you have to worry about.
And yes its a weird thing, the moat dangerous guy at my gym looks goofy as hell and is the nicest most humble guy youll ever meet.
mugenowns 6y ago
Buddy, you're full of shit and your insecurity is glaring.
vomit_romney 6y ago
Speaking generally is fine, BUT, while generalizing about fighting (as with lifting), be careful. This sub has over a quarter million subscribers man - and maybe 175,000 are very impressionable - giving even one the wrong idea is a disservice that needs to be called out.
With MMA experience, you can't "walk in a room and you are automatically the alpha". Just don't say that shit.
Black_m0ngoose 6y ago
At 195 with 9% bf, and extensive fight training on top, against a man of similar stats but no MMA experience- I guess we both know who'd be making the other a sandwich.
At my gym, I'm the happy-go-lucky jester who smiles and laughs all the time, letting jokes and insults roll off my back- because deep down, I know the guys at my gym would be my bitch in a real fight.
Why can guys like us get away with being so nice? Because we've got the physical leverage to back it up.
The non-fighters here sound alot like the non-lifters here- if you don't lift, you don't get to tell others how little value lifting has.
Either be a fighter who fights, or STFU. No one cares what boys have to say at the men's table.
vomit_romney 6y ago
Nice. And true. The "pound-for-pound" guy at my club is probably one of the genuinely nicest guys you'd ever meet at a work conference, even has a slightly effeminate voice. So while he looks great in his suit, you wouldn't have any idea that body is training to halfway-or-more kill an opponent in two months time. And to walk into a room he is in and assume he is your bitch? Well, if I were a fly on the wall...
latinasonly 6y ago
good shit man........... thats where its at ..... your inspiring me to keep hitting that gym ,,, and keep learning to fight
Ashkol 6y ago
Have a solid 3-2 years of wreslting/bjj mixed with Muay Thai/boxing and you're set for life in terms of basic killer self-defense. Stop it when you want to be a bodybuilder.
aaasssaaa11 6y ago
if we get in a fight i'm going to pull your earlobes, gouge your eyes, bite your ear and pull your nuts off
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TaylorWolf 6y ago
Lots of MMA and kickboxing classes will have you hitting pads and mitts and other people's gloves. Just skip sparring day.
Also BJJ you take virtually zero head contact because there are no strikes, it's only grappling.
That being said teeing off on the heavy bag is a great workout and so much fun!
ImQuitingPorn 6y ago
I’m thinking about starting mma for like a month or two now, and this post made me decide that I’ll really go and try it out. Muay thai. Any guy here who trains it? How do you combine it with the gym? I still want aesthetics to be my #1 priority.
okma21 6y ago
Take BJJ first as you will get more chances to actually spar since it is no contact. It will give you a better base on concepts of fighting, after that train stand up martial arts. You will get plenty of chances to lift superheavyweights but you can also go to gym.
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[deleted] 6y ago
Boxing for me, plus shooting at the range and basic militray training is always good shit.
halfback910 6y ago
I'll stick to just normal lifting and packing heat.
Why swing my monkey hands in self defense when I can have a fancy boomstick?
TheMoreYouKnowRight 6y ago
A gun is a tool, you won't have it on you a 100% of the time.
What do you do if the gun gets taken away? It seems like you haven't thought that through which i would consider doing if i were you.
SpecialSpnk 6y ago
I don't know what the laws are like in your area but can attest to the fact that if you do that in my state you will be going to jail for a very long time
halfback910 6y ago
Close to it. On the rare occasion I don't, I've got mace. I don't need to win a fight to be unscathed, I just need to buy time to get away, which mace accomplishes handily. Any internet tough guy who says mace doesn't accomplish that has... never been maced.
Well, if someone tries to take my gun, the idea is to shoot them with it. If I let someone take my gun then obviously that's a problem. My solution then is probably to run away... because they have a gun.
Actually it seems like you have not thought it through. If martial arts were effective against guns, why do we give soldiers and police guns instead of martial arts? Long story short:
-Have a gun.
-If someone tries to attack me (which is what "starting a fight is") I take out my gun. If they proceed to attack me, I'll shoot them.
-If someone else has a gun and I have a gun, I use my gun but preferably try to get away.
-If someone else has a gun and I don't have a gun, I try to run away. Because they have a gun.
Seems pretty straightforward.
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dumbkidaccount 6y ago
Mma is cope.
Focus on weights and no one will mess with you, you dont even have to fight
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Stron2g 6y ago
Actually its definitely realistic to have a body builder thats 300 pounds with zero MMA training get his ass kicked by someone in the 150-200 range who has experience.
Fortunately, even a little training will go a long way in that regard.
aigamithite 6y ago
You can't be good at lifting and MMA - you have to pick one. Your lifting will suffer from MMA, and MMA will suffer from lifting. Lifting soreness compounds all the microinjuries and vice-versa. Pick one, do it for a few years then maybe do the other one as well if you built solid foundations. I tried really hard to reconcile the two, but it's impossible.
Unless you taking da magic chems or you just casually spar and you are not interested in competing or doing it seriously, in which case you can do both.
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aigamithite 6y ago
How is that different from what I said?
Quoting myself "Unless you taking da magic chems or you just casually spar and you are not interested in competing or doing it seriously, in which case you can do both."
There's no way you can do that without drugs - you just won't recover fast enough. I'm not the guy who's gonna say natty or not or whatever - each approach has its merits and they are suited for different people. All I'm saying is you cannot do both on an above average level if you don't use peds.
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aigamithite 6y ago
While you are right, you can get to a decent above average level without peds. The difference is that it takes a much longer time along with a more strategic approach (since you are limited by recovery). I won't hide that I am a bit privileged to say that since my genetics are way above average for putting on size, lower body strength and muscle insertions (cosmically balanced with a wide waist). My MMA gym was a small competition gym so maybe I just had bad experiences I don't know - it was impossible to recover with MMA and lifting every single day and I just couldn't afford paying for PT anymore.
RosstheMoss81 6y ago
Street fights aren’t about who is a better fighter but who is willing to go further in terms of breaking the law. Maybe you’ll get the knife from me before i cut you, but i doubt it.
userchecks 6y ago
Sounds to me you got some insecurity to work on..
I train MMA myself but the more I train, the more I don't want to get involved in physical conflicts because I'm aware of what I can do and damage I will potentially take.
Training MMA doesn't mean you can take anybody.. I roll and spar with newbies and they are dangerous. They can't control themselves. They spaz, uncontrolled kicks and punches and those leads to injuries sometimes.
Yes it definitely adds confidence but.. Just chill man. Let the guy talk and if ever something happens, you know how to handle yourself in the situation.
TRPmc117 6y ago
BJJ for over a year now. I come from a long sports background, and BJJ is one of the hardest things I've ever done. It's certainly not for everybody. It's truly incredibly to look back on my progress over the past year. The first 3 months were absolutely brutal. I left my first session ready to puke - a feeling I hadn't felt since intense high school track practice. I'm still a white belt, but I know enough now to repeatedly tap out my peers, and even some higher level belts. I also still consistently get wrecked. It's truly humbling and it never stops. You just continue getting beat. There's always someone better.
The funny thing is - I feel far less likely now to ever get in a street fight. I get all that energy out at the gym... but I also have a newfound respect for what the human body is capable of. Getting submitted by somebody who weighs 40 pounds less than you is an eye-opening experience.
JurgenBiffman 6y ago
you sound like youre going to wind up in jail.
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As a former BJJ/MT trainee, I understand this post fully, but you are sending a lot of the wrong messages. Being a true alpha is about self mastery and social skills, not assuming you can kick everyone’s ass. I used assuming specifically. In modern civilized society fighting ability is nowhere near social status in terms of power. It’s a good hobby to have, but certainly not a focal element.
Edit: was not saying learning to fight is a bad move. Quite the contrary, it’s a great skill to have. But it shouldn’t be a primary focus of self improvement
writewhereileftoff 6y ago
Exactly. Nobody gets away with beta behaviour. Not even Brad Pitt or Conor McGregor.
I have a friend who is an ex-MMA champion. He just got dumped by a 6 because he was way to needy lol.
Auvergnat 6y ago
What OP is trying to say is that it's not the fighting ability that's important but the pure frame that it brings to you. It makes you fearless, it makes you feeling like you're better than everyone, it makes you keep your cool in even the most tense situations. Nobody - men or women - has to know that you can fight, but they will all take notice of your body language that exudes your supremely confident mindset.
Some men can get that perfect mindset from being built. Some men can get it from being very wealthy. Some men can get it from being locally famous. Some men can get it by faking it until they believe it. Most men can get there by a combination of all these things. And when you get that frame, that mindset, then you're truly alpha.
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Isn’t that what most of these blanket statement threads are all about though? Lift weights for 2 months and then tell peopl how much of a game changer it is to have 10 inch arms?
TheReformist94 6y ago
Sexual strategy is not part of modern civilised society so smashing someone's face in from a sexual primal point of view is the peak of power and masculinity.
I don't care if my status is high,if I got decked in front of men and women of varying status it's the most humiliating thing apart from people knowing you got cucked
Kindredvodka 6y ago
True and agree, I felt like this post gave the wrong message to be honest. It doesn't sound like frame coming from the right place it sounds like a crutch and I understand feeling powerful but I have known a lot of people who were big and had the same mentality and loved mean mugging people because they assumed they could kick everyone's ass, lets just say its a good way to get stabbed.
Hobbies like these are great for adding interesting experience and will definitely boost your confidence but it should add to the type of frame which is preached around here like self mastery as which you stated. Frame IMO shouldn't come solely from something like knowing how to fight or be a badass because there is always someone bigger and more insane than you are.
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True martial art is about letting go on the ego. Some people will never understand. There is alpha is martial arts there will always be someone better than you.
partygold 6y ago
True that. MMA is the best thing you can do for your body
TaylorWolf 6y ago
And mind. It's an ego-destroyer (and healthy ego builder, you find out your place in the pecking order quickly and how much work you will need to do to rise above the rest)
Stron2g 6y ago
I can vouch for MMA increasing your masculinity among other good shit like discipline and frame. I wrestled and if i didn't I'd be a fucking neckbeard right now.
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Just started training in BJJ 11 months ago, at 39. No matter who you the first few years are humbling. Nobody is a natural that doesn’t struggle regardless of size, strength and athletic ability coming in. I am a big guy (6’4 305 to start, down to 267 at 23% bf) and obviously need to lose a lot of weight now but I boxed and wrestled through high school and was never in a situation where I was worried about being physically hurt by another guy. I was rarely if ever physically humbled but my first 4 months of BJJ was extremely humbling. I always had that confidence. What I like about BJJ is that it feels like my HS and College sports teams. You have a good group of guys being guys, specifically in the early AM and later night classes with the more serious guys. You will actually make new friends as an adult, which isn’t really normal for guys. Good friends, not acquaintances. Most BJJ practitioners in my experience are pretty good guys. I can go to other schools in different areas while traveling and you still feel like home. There is little external ego even among the biggest bad asses. They are so internally confident that they don’t have to huff and puff. The grind and mat time make you a better person. You grow, you win, you lose, you get choked out, you get hurt and it feels good. If you can keep your cool while getting choked out, keeping frame is a non issue.
Zenwarz 6y ago
Plus 2 hours of bjj really puts your mind in a different spot. I've started around the same time as you..and leglocks are a total gamechanger for me...
Matty_Chase 6y ago
Why would you ignore 50% of the human body?
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Ashkol 6y ago
I am a big believer in the idea...
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If you're looking for fights constantly one day you're gonna find one and it's gonna end badly for you.
That being said yeah training a combat sport is a great way to both stay fit, learn self defense skills, and meet people.
I chose boxing over MMA personally (the grappling game of MMA is just boring to me and I've been a boxing fan for a decade now as well). I know MMA is definitely more practical for self defense but I just prefer the sport of boxing more.
It's a great way to meet new people as well. My local boxing gym has a good mix of the group cardio classes and the smaller technique-based ones. So I go to 2 cardio classes a week to keep my cardio up and it's always a good male/female mix. Then my other 2 classes a week I focus more on actual technique because I'm trying to fight amateur one day. Then on other days I usually just hit heavy bags by myself.
I've started sparring a few months ago as well and it's really fun. Nothing will get your adrenaline pumping quicker than heating a straight right hand on the chin and feeling your legs wobble a bit.
Cearball 6y ago
Boxing is probably one of the most practical arts for self defence. I would choose it over BJJ. But would probably choose MMA over either.
However I may still choose boxing. I remember I worked out % techniques for real life events I had experienced. Punches were something like 95% of what went down.
SpecialSpnk 6y ago
MMA is all those things and then some....It includes boxing, muay tai, BJJ, Wrestling....everything. Its name simply states that as well
Cearball 6y ago
Yes but that doesn't guarantee equal proficiency if you're training an equal amount of time. Take 2 replicants of the same person put one of them in a boxing school & one in a MMA school which would be better at boxing at the end of it? The one in the boxing school could of ended up training 3 or 4 times as much boxing.
Same with BJJ etc.
If you look at the environment you are likely to face & it looked like BJJ made more sense to train, you would likely become better at BJJ by taken only that than splitting your time between multiple disciplines.
You could also join a MMA gym but only go to the BJJ classes etc or biases your time towards BJJ more.
But my point is that it may be more worthwhile focusing more on one or two arts than 4 different ones equally.
RedwallAllratuRatbar 6y ago
I did BJJ for 3 months. It was 3 months of losing to 20 guys and being able to win with one consistently. Would not repeat
alphasquatch50 6y ago
I am a very large wrestling coach who helps train at an MMA gym, and I agree that these factors give one a certain swagger. I could probably rag-doll 95% of men on the planet, but I'm old and smart enough to know that there is always someone tougher, and someone who is willing and able to blow your fucking brains out. Please, temper you testosterone with clear thinking.
jaks9000 6y ago
not that i would advocate any such behavior, but lets say i have a friend who was an amateur level fighter. He found physical attention from girls to be gained easier due to the physique one gets from being in excellent shape, and the confidence of being able to physically handle challenges.
After a period of time, this friend fell under hardship and began distributing less than legal substances to support himself. The friend began wearing high priced yet intimidating clothing and haircuts from these ill gotten gains, carrying a weapon and in general not giving a fuck as well as riding a motorcycle. During this period he noticed that women flocked to him and the biggest challenge was deciding which hoes were too shady to fuck with.
my point isnt to put your post down or demean in any way, i would like to simply reiterate that women are fickle, illogical creatures and care more about attitude and style than anything else related to what you have accomplished in life.
Black_m0ngoose 6y ago
The last line of defense for a man's frame is physical.
Your frame is nothing if another man punches you in the face, and you can't defend yourself- in that moment you're completely within his frame as you lay there getting your shit pushed in.
As you said, women give you more leeway on beta behaviors because they know that at the end of the day you'll be a winner and the PUAs will be one snarky comment away from being another man's bitch.
narciss3 6y ago
Definitely. I wanted to ask the general TRP community a general question.. I'm a college student. If I don't have a budget to do both, should I either learn MMA or join the gym to build muscle? Thanks.
SpecialSpnk 6y ago
A lot of dojos have some weight stuff as well. We have a bench and squat racks with a few free weights. That is all you need to start to develop a firm foundation. Most important would be to try out a few free classes or go to open mat to see if you like it and the coach...It will certainly pay off in dividends.
NofapFrance 6y ago
MMA and Calisthenics, Calisthenics is way more than enough to build muscle, buy a pullup bar, rings. and you're fine for the next 3 years.
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ReturningSpider 6y ago
Start with MMA, you can put on some mass just with calisthenics (home pullup bar costs $20-30, pushups and pistol squats are free)
Most MMA gyms I've been to have a weights area anyways so if you sign up for one, you can probably just do both things
narciss3 6y ago
Yeah. I'll look into them, thanks!
indigenoushorizons 6y ago
You know what they say.
If they know you know how to fight and they don't. What you think is gonna happen?
They are gonna have a knife and/or pistol waiting for you.
The setting is in real life, not on the mat or in a ring.
I hate to break your confidence, but let's see how well you fair up against a pistol.
This doesn't mean you shouldn't continue training, but you should also realize not everyone is going to agree to a fair fight. And by fair, I mean no weapons.
Edit: I don't think you've ever been in an actual fight before on the street. Most guys know they don't know how to fight, so compensation via weapon it is. Run up to one of those guys and we'll see how many leg kicks you can get in before you get shot/stabbed.
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I think Jon “War Machine” Koppenhaver needed to realize this long ago. But,sadly it’s too late for him. Some men cannot handle the power they possess.
quansau1 6y ago
The fastest route to defeat is underestimating your opponent.
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This isn't what martial arts is about. Reminds me of a quote by a swordsman named Miyamoto MusashiThe, "the ultimate goal of martial arts is not having to use them"
If someone is being disrespectful, it's better to let them think they're a hardass than risk someone getting seriously injured. Even if it makes you look like a punk. So what if people think you're a bitch for not choking/knocking out some loudmouth? let em think that. Sometimes if someone is really crossing the line, I'll tell them they're more than welcome to drop by my boxing gym so we can get a few rounds in, that'll usually shut them up. But there are just too many things that can go wrong in a street fight. You wanna drop that mentality of "I could fuck them up if they disrepect me". Save your training for legitimate self defense scenarios and competition. You get nothing out of beating on someone who isn't trained, and it's just bad karma. There isn't much more disgusting than a trained fighter fucking someone up just because they can, even if that person kinda deserved it.
P.S. y'all should look into Musashi's philosophies, that guy had the mindset of a true alpha.
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RedGunnera 6y ago
Very interesting. Just out of curiosity, what % of the male population do you feel this applies to? Would this “jock” be in the top 1%? The top 5 or 10%?
What about if you were to take an average EC from TheRedPill, is he in the top 1% in this respect? The top 5 or 10%?
quazimodo_007 6y ago
I just took up bjj yesterday im 40 very good for over all mentality
Ananonguy88 6y ago
I cucked a guy with a black belt who was also training MMA. He could not hold frame in my presence despite being heavier than me. His girl said to me that she needs a man, not a child. He was screaming scarcity and needy even in front of other people. Betarage would be deadly though I suppose.
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redytosell 6y ago
No you didn't, black belt would rape you
Ananonguy88 6y ago
Seems like I have offended some fighter boys or something. Whatever. There is a moral to this story I wanted to share. This only proves there are also BP betas in MMA. Like the ones offended.