In the increasingly sensitive campus environment that is being cultivated as a direct result of leftism, feminism, and all that terrible nonsense, there still lies hope - fraternities. I say this speaking from the experience of having rushed, pledged, and joined a fraternity this semester, and I now gladly say that I am a part of one to any who inquire. There are a few reasons that fraternities and the Red Pill benefit one another, and I would like to outline the ones I was able to think of in this post. Here is why you should join a fraternity as a Red Pilled Man.
Accountability
Joining a fraternity means you are expected to contribute and maintain this contribution throughout your membership. Any of those who fail to do so will be at risk of getting kicked out, as I have already seen this semester myself. You now have a group of men holding you accountable for your actions, leaving you to eventually hold YOURSELF accountable for your actions. If you fuck something up, you don’t get a pass - you get shit. Generating self-accountability is absolutely crucial to succeed in the world after your studies and help yourself realize where you went wrong, admit to the wrong, and work at making sure it never happens again.
A Place for Your Emotions
In the end, we have emotions. We do not expose these emotions to women as to not ruin our frame and show ourselves as vulnerable beings. It is suggested that you only speak of your issues and anything going on in your life to a level-headed man who will be willing to support you and tell you like it is. By joining a fraternity, you now have a group of men who will treat you like a brother and give you emotional support when you need it. This provides an outlet for emotions and prevents men from slipping into their beta ways unknowingly and venting their problems to their FWB or SO. Just don’t abuse this fact and use your brothers as a collective emotional tampon; they get sick of it and you’ll just seem like a bitch who can’t handle what life throws at him.
Social Proof
This is a big one in regards to SMV. Having social proof is crucial for your SMV, and being part of an organization known for having a good time, being a Greek organization, and throwing parties will instantly grant you social proof as a member. You can say that joining a fraternity is similar to joining a club; the added benefit is that this “club” is constantly throwing parties having a good ass time, while also doing philanthropic and altruistic work on campus. You contribute to the well-being of your institution and also have fun at the same time.
Sorority Bitches
Being in a fraternity makes it much easier to bang chicks. This also means that you will most likely catch the attention of a sorority girl, and, if you don’t fuck it up, will end up catching the attention of her sisters. It is important to remember that everything you say or do to a girl is on broadcast to a woman’s friends, and this is no different, if not more intense, with sorority girls. If one girl knows, they all do. This is why it is important not to fuck up, have solid game, and hold your fucking frame. You essentially will have pussy lining up if you do things right, and can become effectively immune to oneitis. Having the chance to spin plates will help you massively with practicing and implementing RP Theory and seeing what works and what doesn’t. I have improved immensely in this fashion since I am able to read and apply theory to these women, and it has really forced me to make the Pill a part of my being, something it never was before.
This is really only a post relevant to those in college. It is advised that you join a club or organization in order to contribute to something and to actually fill your time with valuable activities (besides the partying and drinking), and I have found that fraternities are an excellent way to be a part of campus life and still experience the college life for all its alcohol and harems. It has been an extremely great choice I’ve made in my life, and probably the best one I will have ever made.
AllahHatesFags 5y ago
I wonder how long it's going to be until frats are going to be forced to accept females like the soy scouts.
Fear_Up 5y ago
I talk more with my fraternity brothers than the guys I served with in combat.
I joined at 32. It was a blast and yea, I got laid plenty.
I think every young man should go for it if they are able.
It can be an eye opening experience and a great place to develop your social skills.
RexPillerson 5y ago
I cannot recommend joining a fraternity enough. Ive been in a fraternity my entire college experience and it is amazing. To suggest for a second that these guys aren't your bros is just fuckin bullshit. Sure you don't get along with every single brother, but at the end of the day even the guys you barely talk to had some part in your fraternity up bringing or you had a part in theirs. The fraternity lifestyle is like a crash course in red pill theory. You see amogs in action, social proofing, and of course the sorority girls who are degenerate enough to red pill even the most beta cuck. You will learn how women operate, I've been burned in the past and being in a fraternity helps you by having a group behind you ready to bounce back.
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We had a 30 year old and a masters student form Bangladesh pledge and join our fraternity. Awesome dudes.
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No it's not weird, but there are likely many fraternities on campus. Some are admittedly douche bags and losers. Some aren't.
The people in the fraternity (me and a friend started it by the way) I was a part have largely gone on to be pretty successful and interesting people. We're not scumbags like some people here would like to infer.
Throwaway_5252 5y ago
I would never trust for one second for one of these dudes to not fuck my girlfriend/lady friend if my back was turned. Bros my ass lol
JTTTS 5y ago
You've already mistakenly assumed she is your girlfriend/lady friend. She's not yours, it's just your turn; and the same applies for any male dominated environment where ladies are introduced.
SKRedPill 5y ago
Now here you are trying to use a male space to bring a girl into it. The result is RIP male space.
staystressfree 5y ago
You have a warped view of reality my friend
Throwaway_5252 5y ago
How’s that? I think even people who are in Greek life would admit that there’s a lot of back stabbing among mates. The sororities is contstant cattiness and gossip. And for men it’s your “brothers” trying to make moves on your girl if the opportunity arises. I have make friends. But I see every one of them, especially the more desperate ones, of possibly cucking me if my eyes arnt on my girl.
Warped reality? Read Jack Donovan’s essay “we are not bros”. Yeah it’s cool to have male friends but brotherhood is a myth. Men are competitors biologically
Hugh_Munghous 5y ago
Just get a girlfriend who isn’t in the Greek system or who goes to another school then you don’t have to worry about that. I’m definitely Eskimo bros with several of my fraternity brothers, but it’s not like you’re going to wife up some slut.
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U-94 5y ago
Yes. This. Thank you. I wasn't in a frat in college but we had the party apartment with my band and other friends. People crashed there all the time as we were down the street from 24hr bars. Virtually every girl I slept with either had already slept or were going to sleep another friend of mine (or roommate). Never bothered me. I don't own them. Go get yours. Wherever. However.
Throwaway_5252 5y ago
Ahh. One of TRPs many depressing realities, or at least what I’ve come to accept as reality. Im hoping one day I’ll find a relationship where the woman sees me as something more then a dick and a ATM.
So in other words human beings are just tradeable commodities? Exactly why I visit prositutes rather then waste time interacting with a culture I find off putting. Prositutes are nicer people then you will find in a frat/sorority house. I can tell ya that.
awakenedspirit1 5y ago
I cannot agree with this more. My roommate was in a fraternity and it's fantastic. Same red pill ideas. Fraternities are the last bastion of male thought leadership
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
Can confirm. Was in a house. Was also on a sports team. It was awesome.
kylerosa21 5y ago
This is why i wrote it. It felt relevant to TRP. If you join a fraternity worth a damn, you’ll understand what i mean.
awakenedspirit1 5y ago
Seems like a lot of hate from guys....not in fraternities :)
halfback910 5y ago
Wait, you mean people who do something like it and people who don't do it don't like it?
Say it ain't so, Daphne!
Your_Coke_Dealer 5y ago
It’s a bit deserved and a bit overblown at the same time. The deserved part is that there’s a few posts every so often equating fraternity life as a prime example of a red pill lifestyle, when in reality there’s a lot of parent-supported posers who don’t have their shit together in life, a lot of self-destructive behavior, and most fraternities lack either the social proof or the male self improvement and friendship the poster promises. In other words, fraternities are better in theory than in practice, and aren’t in themselves an easy mode to being “alpha”.
But the hate is also overblown because fraternities do usually help with social proof or self improvement and a great group of friends, and as far as what they lead to in life after college, that’s all up to you. I have zero regrets with joining a fraternity in college, and I got a good balance of benefits from it, plus a lot of fun, but that was me and everyone has their own story.
The important lesson here is that life is a series of your own decisions, and you are the one in control, whether you realize it or not. Fraternities aren’t training wheels for an ideal RP lifestyle; you build that on your own whether you’re assisted through college life by a fraternity or not
SigCh1 5y ago
Joining a fraternity confirmed all of TRP's teachings and will knock the bitch out of you within your first semester.
You definitely won't like every brother, nor do you have to. But you will form a lifelong bond and camaraderie with a solid group of like-minded RP guys who all share a common goal.
Everyone in college is there for one reason; to get a degree. Everyone in greek life is there for one reason; to have fun. Granted some houses do suck, but if you're lucky enough to get into a decent house it will completely change your entire college experience.
As for people saying "you pay for your friends". To each his own. However, I look at it as paying for an entire year of partying. For me this includes having a huge house to party at, free alcohol, and always having a revolving door of new and attractive girls who are looking to get dicked.
In regards to getting laid. I talked to EVERYBODY. Made friends, made good impressions, held frame, never said no to going out (as long other priorities i.e. school/job/etc didn't get in the way), had a high energy, outgoing personality and I've now found myself spinning plates like a fucking magician.
tldr; fraternities may not be for everyone, but it's had an unreal impact on me and is, at the very least, worth a shot for anyone looking to reinforce their RP teachings when entering early manhood
Shootermcgv 5y ago
Unfortunately we are in the final days of social fraternities if the current American culture continues on its current trajectory. At my school the administration is on a mission to get rid of fraternities as we know them today which is sad. But to go along with the post I cannot recommend joining a fraternity enough especially if you attend a major state school.
awakenedspirit1 5y ago
I'm actually shocked at all the anti Frat down votes here. Frat guys get girls right? Isn't that why we're here? Like - in revenge of the nerds- those Frat guys have hot girlfriends they don't treat that well. Seems a lot like that side bar...
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
Guys are in different stages of their RP journey, and there are still guys in the "anger" phase.
Also, while I was in a good house, not every fraternity is cool. I loved being in a house, and I am still in contact with a lot of my brothers 30 years later. Not everyone has that experience. Some houses suck.
Your_Coke_Dealer 5y ago
I think a good bit of the anger besides those who had bad experiences comes from people pissed off by “just join a fraternity” advice posted here. It’s not a RP panacea to acting beta, it’s just a support network that may or may not work out, and there are plenty of posts saying to join a fraternity in the same way as women give “just be yourself ™” advice to men
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
Right, but advice on TRP is just that. Nobody has to lift. Nobody has to eat clean, etc. Same with fraternities. If the frats at your school suck, then don't join them. Back when I was in school, I rushed the one house I wanted to join. There were a couple others that would have been ok, and the rest? Meh.
That said, there's no way any author can know the circumstances of any one individual reader's life. So really, the OP should be read as "Check this out, because, done right it provides a male-oriented space that TRP guys at university might find beneficial" That's all.
jewishsupremacist88 5y ago
Frats are for people who come from upper middle class / wealthy families. They aren't for poor kids.
awakenedspirit1 5y ago
Gosh that rich frat guy kinda sounds like Chad...
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Throwaway_5252 5y ago
ehh call me a beta/cuck/faggot what have you, but I've always had a disdain for the greek system. Not only do you have to pay your dues/semesterly fees, but the whole culture is one of complete callousness. I mean, I don't doubt there's some cool dudes in there as well, but some of these kids today are some of the most repugnant characters you will ever meet. And these guys are not your "bros." They are your competitors. Sorority girls are hot and fuckable, but otherwise vapid/phony/ catty and I hate putting in time trying to game them. Like at the end of the day I'd rather just pay up front ,then have to interact with a bunch of dudes who are just shit testing you and constantly one upping each other and calling each other "pussy" & "faggot" every chance they get. And don't get me started on hazing. Pay money to get hazed? No thanks. Hazing is less about unifying men, and more about humiliation and sadism (That is when it's conducted by immature college kids)
I was involved in organized sports growing up so I'm not out of the loop when it comes to all male organizations, and I think it's good for shaping men into men, but also the endless competition and brutality really wore me down and in the end I only wish I found out about prostitution and transactional relationships sooner. Saves me time, energy and caused me a lot less pain in regards to my love life.
I know dudes who payed to be in frats. If they were lucky they had anywhere from 3-7 notches on their belt by graduation. I pay up front and have lost count and take the occasional free fuck when life gives me lemons. So that's just my opinion.
The movie GOAT really mirrored everything I can't stand about Greek Life:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS8pgKoibx0
doughboyfreshh 5y ago
And just another random thought for all you pussy ass frat boys who cream over Elon Musk and think you're hot shit because of getting a good education and blah blah blah. Elon Musk is a fucking nerd genius and you will never be him. I mean seriously you all sound so lame, I never hear the end about Elon Musk on this thread. If there is one thing about fraternities that pisses me off it is the constant posturing about being an intellectually dominant man who can party but knows when to stop and also gets good grades. All of that is bullshit and is just some idealization within your head to make you feel like you have a big dick when in reality you are just a nerd.
doughboyfreshh 5y ago
You are right on some terms like the constant one upping and shit testing and calling each other pussy and faggot. But I feel like you just never came into your own within your fraternity. I used to be constantly torn down by my "brothers" and was pissed about the name calling. It bothered me until I realized why they were calling me a pussy or a faggot and started turning the tables. See once you start playing their game against them you gain respect and power. I see tons of kids in my house who try and act tough and try to name call but they have no conviction behind what they are saying. So many pussy ass followers who don't have their own mind. Life is what you make of it and once you decide that you are your own boss no one really fucks with you I realized. If someone was calling me a pussy or a faggot it was probably because I was doing some beta shit with girls or doing some goofy shit for attention. By being more righteous and constantly holding frame you can pass shit tests not only from women but from other dudes too.
The whole frat culture is just one big social game. So instead of bitching because you suck at it, practice and you'll get better. Trust me I started off with no respect and everyone hated me I'm pretty sure. Some people probably still do because people are regresive thinking and can't think forward. But I don't quit and I don't bitch. Instead I learn from the fucking adversity and take hits until I am immune to all the bullshit. Once you get immune to others ridicule you start to gain the upper hand and then what you say or do becomes the new rules. Because you only get out of life what you put in, and every experience is what you make of it. No one can really shit on me anymore because I don't do the same things I used to that makes me get shit on. Most people who have a problem with me talk behind my back and are passive aggressive like teenage girls so I don't pay them mind because that is a beta act in itself. Who gives a fuck about what a beta says or thinks about you, especially if you know you are better than them. Whenever you first start playing any game you are going to suck at it unless you are a genius. Lebron James missed thousands of shots before he became a 3x champion, he lost countless times, and he was constantly criticized. Every game just takes practice and it from your failures that you start to recognize what you are doing wrong and then you fix it. And then you fail less and less until you can't fail anymore.
You can think hazing is just about sadism and humiliation which it partially is but instead of complaining about it, grow from it. I wouldn't give a fuck about any of my brothers if not for the fact that when I was starving and locked in a basement for 5 days we were the only ones supporting each other, and the only reason I went through that bullshit was to support them in return. Yeah the movie GOAT makes some good points but if you really have a positive mindset you would be able to take the movie with a grain of salt. The movie does not talk about the positive aspects about being in a fraternity. The positive aspects are not the free booze, or the girls, or even the fucking brotherhood. It's the discipline gained from passing through all these mental and physical tests and knowing that you survived in the end. You come through on the other side and you are 10 times the man you were before. Why do you think that the military hazes and the training is so intense? Because by breaking you down you can build yourself back up and you'll only be 10X stronger for whatever the fuck else gets thrown at you.
You just sound soft saying shit like "all the competition and brutality really wore me down". Life is about adversity and pain, and dealing with that shit thats what being a man is. 100 years ago you could've just been thrown in the trenches of WWI and you would've had to deal with that shit. Now everyone just wants to watch netflix and eat cheeseburgers and pay for pussy. You're ancestors literally died in countless wars just to bring you to this point and your gonna just bitch and moan because of a fraternity being brutal? REALLY? This pussy ass society has really lost what it means to be a man. Why do you think we like to play cowboys and indians as kids? Why do we play with airsoft guns and shoot each other and wrestle each other even when we are 8 years old? Because it is in our fucking blood and fraternities are one of the only places where real man shit even still goes on besides the military. We are fucking men, we like competition and brutality, it is in our blood because the fiercest and most brutal competitors are the ones who were strong enough to survive the brutality of the world and put us on this earth. Sorry to rant but we all just throw away our human nature for fucking nothing and it makes me sick.
Throwaway_5252 5y ago
I'll give you props for making me laugh how we'd all just rather pay for pussy and how men have become coddled because we weren't thrown into the trenches ala WWI. You're right. Not living under such dire conditions and environments have given men the impression that are ancestors didn't fight for everything we have today. It gives people the false impression that the worlds a utopia. It's not. (I think it's a slaughterhouse but that's beside the point)
I'll let you in on me a bit. I have enough pain and adversity in my life. I've lived through domestic violence, see a number of my close ones succumb to violent suicides and even witness some murders in my time..... I don't really like human beings for the most part. I don't like men for the most part. I see them as my competitors and unless they're blocking my path and need to be dealt with, I avoid interacting with 90% of them.
But ya know, your'e talking about your experiences in the frat and it's getting me all riled up. If someone calls me a pussy or a faggot, especially in public, they're getting one between the eyes or worse. If that's you're thing and all that pain and hazing is worth it to you, fine, I won't knock it, but I really don't want to interact with a bunch of dudes who in my eyes are a bunch of sadistic psychopaths.
doughboyfreshh 5y ago
Yeah my bad man I was just ranting based on my personal experience. I have no idea what your experiences have been or what you went through so I can't really judge. I guess I was directing my frustrations at you when really I am frustrated with passive/weak men because that is what I was raised to be. I'm with you though, there are some really fucked up evil people out there and I got trust issues too I just deal with it differently. You seem like one of the few people who actually know how evil people are. I just do not like to talk about my actual pain and suffering besides frat life. I just use the frat system as a cathartic way to kind of deal with it. I think we can both agree that there are innocent people who haven't really had anything bad happen to and those are the ones I am worried about tbh. I think the world is a slaughterhouse too I am just busy trying to clean up the mess . The devil is around every corner and most people just turn a blind eye. But it is people like us who have seen this shit who can really deal with it. Not to sound cliché that's just how I rationalize my existence
Throwaway_5252 5y ago
Yeah I can understand where you're coming from. I had a very competitive, tough and violent upbringing. By my late 20's I was just trying to find an escape and slow things down a bit. I had a military father so imagine the first 18 years of you're life being bootcamp more or less. But I can def understand really wanting to go out there and, for lake of better phrase, "be a man" if you feel like you've been raised in an unmascluine upbringing. I'm just trying to find a balance now.
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Frat guys don't really seem to grow up from what I've observed. It's like they're trying to prolong their adolescence.
LiveAFTSOV 5y ago
The first guys I know fall into one of two categories:
Scrawny loser who has rich parents and likes to do drugs, party, and fuck based off social proof
Or
Sociable, charming geniuses who plan on working for Elon Musk as rocket engineers who also like to party and get fucked up
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
I'd argue with this, but then again, I'm still fucking 22 y.o. girls, so....
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
You were in the WROOOOOOONG house man.
Number of goats sodomized when I was in my frat: Zero.
Number of times goat-sodomy was even mentioned: Zero.
Number of times I was hazed: Zero.
Number of times I saw someone else in my House hazed: Zero.
(That said, there were houses on campus that hazed guys. No mention of goat-fucking, though, but that would probably hurt them during rush.)
Throwaway_5252 5y ago
Look no further then Timothy Piazza. I’m not in the camp who think they should shut the frat down because piazza drank too much during a hazing ritual. At the end of the day, Piazza was the one who drank and fell down those stairs.
But read the case and see the aftermath, the videos the text sent. Those dudes showed a callous disregard for Piazzas life. They had multiple opprertunties to help him and not only did they not act so they could save their asses, but they threw him around like a rag doll prolonging his totuturtous death and then didn’t give two shits about him once they showed up to court. All the text were like “I don’t want to go to jail for this shit bro” the father even confirmed they showed no remorse at the trial.
But hey “Bros 4 Lyfe”
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So take one piece of anecdotal evidence and then use it to generalize about a large, diverse and varying subject. Good for you, but you look like an ass.
SKRedPill 5y ago
Bringing a girl into a male space or using it for girls as the end game is the fastest way to kill it.
If you really need a male space where men need to hold each other up, keep girls away from it. They should not come between male relationships.
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Yeah, but then you get the guys who complain about it being a "sausage fest."
kylerosa21 5y ago
You can’t bring girls into the space... it’s a fraternity.
The added benefit is simply being noticed by more women (especially fraternity girls), but it isn’t used as an end game
SKRedPill 5y ago
You can bring them in by keeping them in your heads...
halfback910 5y ago
I think portraying frats as anything other than party clubs is dumb, first off. They're not bastions of thought or whatever. A bunch of guys get together and say "Hey, you like to party? I like to party. Let's party together."
That's fine but it's not anything more than that. The people who vilify frats or put them on a pedestal are just like the people who vilify/glorify Hugh Hefner. He wasn't a demon but he also wasn't a messiah. He was a guy who thought, one day, "You know... maybe people will pay to see some titties? Hey, man, come here. Look at these titties. You like these titties?"
"Hm. Yeah, yeah I do like those titties."
"Would you pay, like, five bucks to see a lot more titties?"
"Uh... yeah, yeah I would."
That's what frats are except for parties.
If you're going to school in Bumblefuck, Nowhere then yes you absolutely have to join a fraternity or sorority to go to a decent amount of parties and meet people. If, like me, you went to school in a metropolitan center, fraternities are beyond useless.
The pitch is "Pay us so you can go to parties that you also sometimes have to pay to go to."
Uh... this is Philadelphia. There is a free party literally half a block away and they usually have top shelf liquors there. So... why should I give you five hundred dollars to give you five dollars to drink cheap beer?
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For all their flaws, fraternities are one of the few remaining places that men can be part of a tribe. This is how we evolved, and it feels good to exist in such an environment.