Intro:
This is a continuation of a previous post I made a month ago regarding a plate that contacted me and said we can't sleep together anymore because she's back with her ex boyfriend.
Last night she messaged me, asking to come out for drinks. I said it would probably be better if we get together at my house to which she agreed without resistance.
An hour later she was at my house. An hour after that I was fucking her brains out.
How AWALT was true in this case, almost disturbingly so:
First of all, she is still with this other guy. Her profile pic everywhere is of the two of them. And from what I garnered about him, he sounds alpha and care-free and like a total player. Now here is where I'm still suffering from a bit of AWALT shell shock (thanks, beta inside!): she literally didn't put up a second of resistance. This guy whose ring she's wearing, who she got back with because she loves him so much... and not even batting an eyelid to get with me.
Plausible deniability in action:
Where I played it really well was getting out the wine. We were laughing and joking about how we both are so fit these days, so this wine is going straight to our head. All of this was intentional, of course: plausible deniability. Her hamster was loving it. No guilt on her part, it's the wine!
Escalation:
We kept commenting on how the wine is making us feel so crazy and that was the last sign I needed. I just pulled her close and said "my filters aren't working anymore..." and kissed her. My hand moved slowly down the side of her body, down her legs, back up again and started playing with her pussy. Not even a single slight resistance in body language, just wide open and starting to moan.
I took my shirt off, she took her shirt off... and 5 second later her bra. It was so fucking effortless, it was ridiculous.
Why this is scary:
After the last time she and her boyfriend broke up, she tried to unpack some emotional baggage on me one time where she said that she's never loved somebody more than she loves him. Ex girlfriends have told me this before as well. Yet, here she was, fucking my brains out and I hers. All the while she is giggling and laughing and moaning and not giving a single fuck. All the while she is also still 100% committed to their relationship.
This is messing with my head right now. For all the RP paradigm shifts that I have assimilated already, this one is extremely difficult to accept. I am aware that I am in active denial at the moment because it means that I have to think back to my ex's and evaluate the odds of them doing the same thing while we were together.
This has potential to cause some serious trust issues. How can I ever be sure this won't happen to me in the future? Answer: I can't. I don't want to become bitter and hate women, but I'm struggling and will have to deal with this one in my meditations to start to accept it for what it is. It also just shatters the illusion I still carry of having a long, happy LTR with a great girl. Because I wanted to believe that not all girls are as easy as this one, but now I realize AWALT means that they definitely are - for the right guy. That's all that is required. That is a bitter pill to swallow.
Why was I the "right guy"?
The "right guy" means being more fun, more care-free, higher value than the guy she is with. She woulnd't have done it with a guy of lower value, so it's not just indiscriminate fucking, but a choice she makes even if only subconsciously by evaluating me against him.
We never fight or argue, I don't mateguard her, I don't unload my issues on her. What I have is the most fun life in the world (or so I believe) and she just wanted to be part of this world for a bit to take a break from her otherwise draining and mundane life and relationship.
TLDR; I fucked a girl who let me know she's in committed relationship and can't be my plate anymore about a month ago, wearing the promise ring he bought her, didn't put up a single second of resistance and I almost feel a bit guilty about it today - and scared as shit because AWALT.
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Lower your standards for what a "great girl" is and it won't happen. Women that are average looking and traditional tend to be more loyal, and make up for it by being more interesting or intelligent. These women are LTR material.
Pastelitomaracucho 5y ago
Don't overthink it. Some people just cannot avoid cheating.
She was horny and she knew you could scratch the itch. Maybe the is is not satisfying her enough, maybe he is doing a good job but "there's just somehing about you" that she finds irresistible. Who the fuck knows.
Of course she offered no resistance, you were already balls deep in her even before you opened her the door to your apartment. It was her plan to fuck you that night, not one of your conquests.
Sadly, you have to accept the fact that cheating will always be a possibility. Surrendering yourself to the ideal that your partner will never cheat on you is downright naive and self-blinding. You can accept this fact and still avoid feeling bitter about women, because cheating is you part of human nature in this time and age. Men do it, women do it. Women are "easy", but you were ready to bring this girl into your house and fuck her despite you knowing she is in a commited relationship. You are as easy as her, man.
Listen, despite men and women being biologically and psychologically different, especially when it comes down to pair bonding and mate finding, you have to acknowledge something: socially speaking, the sexual liberation of women has made them equal to us in terms of how the sexually behave in society. The can fuck as much as they want, they can cheat if they want and they can be a lot more selective than they were before the advent of the pill. It is how it is. The sooner you accept this, the better.
officerBudWhite 5y ago
This. I have gone through the same contemplation after ending things with a year and a half LTR. The life long relationship seems like more of an unachievable fantasy each day.
ozaku7 5y ago
Nothing in life is for a lifetime. Plan for the future, but accept that some plans won't work out do enjoy it while it works.
shelteringloon 5y ago
How you know she doesn't just like the sex with you way more than the sex with other dude?
KBeer01 5y ago
I don't. But what I do know is that even if that's the case, no amount of promises and commitment between the two of them was enough for her to honor and choose the relationship rather than have sex with me... and that is a brain bomb.
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How old is she and what's the age difference between you guys? It may not make a difference - as you know AWALT whether they are 18 or 36. But - it might give you an insight, because I know you're (and we're) trying to make sense of it.
KBeer01 5y ago
Sure, I am 32 and she is 21. So yeah.. Not sure if that helps.
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Potential Answers:
a) She might seem happy with her man, but she loves your maturity. Not just because you know how to handle girls, but your age and age difference (older guy here).
b) She's 21 dude. Girls don't know the reason why they do things, they just do them, much less that she's 21. On the bright side...she's 21 and she's more fun-seeking. You're probably not the only one she's banging on the side (no matter what she says).
Ezaar 5y ago
This is a consideration of the type of woman rather than considering it to be apart of all women?
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The_Chiselnator 5y ago
A lot of people don't understand this and I can say it because I was a warfighter myself for 8 years seeing action all over the world but mostly concentrated in all the bad spots in Middle East, South Asia and Africa.
Lots of soldiers are pussies when it comes to women. I have seen the Dependasaurus, a freak of nature that reaches immense proportions, dominate even the most battle-hardened warfighters in my time.
tteabag2591 5y ago
Saw it in the air force time and time again. I have ways thought since then that the military is the best place to observe redpill truths in action. The inhibitions are smaller since it's a bunch of young strangers with almost no social attatchments.
UncleChido 5y ago
Nice post mate. Also something we should beware of; avoid sleeping with married women. Their husbands can kill you. Endangering your life is not worth it over a pussy.
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thewrecker8 5y ago
Met up with an old buddy of mine recently. He's in his early 50s and used to be a bouncer in his 20s. Told me a story he said scarred him for a while. To make a long story short he met this girl nothing happened she had a bf. About a year later they run into each other where he was bouncing. She takes him back to her place and he fucks her, mind you she's engaged to this same dude now. The next morning she's telling him how she would never cheat on her fiancee once they were married but she just had to do what she did the night prior. Then she's talking to him about how much she loves him, as she's showing him pictures of them together throughout her house and stuffed animals he bought her and won for her, etc etc. All while talking about how much she loves him while my buddy just used her as a tissue the night before.
Morphs_ 5y ago
I guess she was telling it more to herself than to the guy, just to stay convinced of her undying love for the cuck.
KBeer01 5y ago
Good share man. You see, this girl did exactly that - plausible deniability! So in your friend's story she still had to calm the hamster down. With me, I soothed the hamster before we had sex and it was so "obvious that we were drunk" (which we definitely weren't) that she was laughing and playing music and telling stories afterwards, not a single crumb of guilt at all.
KBeer01 5y ago
Great share man. This is so disillusioning and appreciate the support in shape of your story. You experience it with women, married or not! Holy crap, that's a lot to digest. Not sure why it's hitting me so hard today.
deadstick_it 5y ago
This is why it wasn’t as hard for me to come to terms with this part of TRP. I was in the Navy and saw it happen too many times. There were around 160 guys in a submarine and after a 6 month deployment there would be at least 2 divorces that would take place once we came back.
I stayed behind for half of a deployment once for schools and the group of us hung out with some of the wives/girlfriends of our friends out at sea. I picked up on the language the girls used and knew what they were up to. These guys were good friends of mine so I wouldn’t cross the line with their girls. I didn’t have to because they knew they were one trip to a club away from having “fun”.
I did cross that line with the wife of a marine once. That kind of fell in my BP lap. I took advantage of the situation because if it wasn’t with me it would be someone else so I might as well.
I had made the choice to never get involved with a woman during my time on a submarine because I couldn’t stand not knowing what she would be up to. Remember I was BP back then. That shit would eat me alive so I refrained from getting a gf. Then seeing the SO’s of others doing what they do when their man is out at sea proved why I made a good choice.
This is a RP truth I learned while BP and made it easier to swallow the RP since I was already privy to these behaviors. Still doesn’t make it sit well with me but I am not the least bit she’ll shocked.
KBeer01 5y ago
Well you had the common sense to not get into a relationship because it would have been a nightmare for me as well man. These stories are absolutely enlightening and so much more emphasized by the girls' husbands or boyfriends being away for a few months. And I think that the "everybody's doing it" thing is probably helping it along even more! Thanks for sharing man
Herdsengineers 5y ago
I grew up in Chesapeake, lived in Va Beach for a long time (they are right next to Norfolk). The dynamic of Navy guys and the girls associated with them is right on. I grew up watching it, and not just with the Navy, but the whole area is one big bastion of the Military. The Army, Navy, and Air Force all have multiple major bases there, the Coasties go in and out there, and the Marines have their own smaller spots and attachments on several of the other service's bases. I never served, but if I had, I would have NEVER entered a LTR during my term of service after observing how relationships for military guys work out.
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Herdsengineers 5y ago
So glad I don't live there anymore. My family still does live in Va Beach, though. I go back and visit occasionally. Not a bad place overall, but there are definitely better places to live.
I hooked up with a few ODU girls in college (I went to college 300 miles away from ODU) when I was home for summers. It was extra easy. They dated Navy guys because the local guys their own age all left the area as soon as they could if they had any brains. Navy guys were all that was available to most of them. A guy there with any kind of elevated SMV will get sick of the constant attention from all the girls who are sick of Navy guys and cucks.
TrolsMan 5y ago
"he sounds alpha and care-free and like a total player.".
"wearing the promise ring he bought her"
KeffirLime 5y ago
I see alot of this on here, he may look alpha, but you don't know he isn't washing the dishes and getting pegged every Tuesday evening. If you're banging his chick he isn't alpha.
Wrath_of_Trump 5y ago
He might look like a bro, but it sounds like his frame is oneitis trashbag shitjuice. She hates that guy, she just doesn't realize it yet.
KBeer01 5y ago
Even if out of context in that order, that is good insight. Ha! Guy's fucking lame then.. okay this helps explain it a bit more.
TrueFacets 5y ago
The thing is, there are a lot of successful guys who when they start a relationship fall in love and become the emotional tampon and that kills attraction, even if they have money and a ripped body. An MMA friend of mine is shredded and get's sex once a weak if he's lucky.
But I hear you, its like you can't treat them "equally", and that's so fucking sad.
Then again, since I realized they always adapt their opinion to the currently as best/strongest or most socially acceptable perceived "reality" and hardly ever produce something of value - well just don't talk about serious stuff and have fun with em :)
0kool74 5y ago
A woman can be in the most absolute, best perfect relationship that she could ever hope to find and if there's a dick out there that's better, she WILL jump on it. #FACTS
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I have been with 2 women who had boyfriends. never once did I feel guilty. I did feel surprised though that it was so easy.
KBeer01 5y ago
Yeah man, what's getting me is that she didn't feel guilty. I helped her rationalize that "it is the wine" and that was all that was needed, she just threw herself at me. It's just bizarre man.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
These are the depths of the amorality of these sexual strategies. Many of us have metamorphosed from strictly moral children after having experiences like this.
ProFriendZoner 5y ago
Remember guys, women don't marry for money ... they divorce for it!
HS-Thompson 5y ago
Right. With this realization you're halfway there.
The real insight will come when you realize it doesn't matter what the fuck she does. Things come and go in life, just like the weather. Money, women, health, family, you name it, everything is ultimately impermanent. None of those things are ever yours, it's just your turn for awhile.
Once you fully internalize that concept you'll get past this stage of anger that is still lingering.
kidbagz 5y ago
Truer words have never been spoken
tempolaca 5y ago
Not cars. Cars and bikes are for ever yours. Remember this.
pootaboo 5y ago
Can confirm. I’ve always had more emotional investment in my cars and bikes anyways.
jetspeed_ 5y ago
This is true, but if you are at a place in your life where you value stability and want to minimize search costs you can minimize the risk by picking a girl with a strong family structure, is introverted, religious background/social circle who stigmatize cheating, always improving yourself and, most importantly, having a substantially higher smv then her.
While you can’t expect any relationship to last through the end of today, following these steps means that the chance of explosion is substantially smaller.
pigvomit420 5y ago
Yes but still... don’t ever get married.
bluemoviebaz 5y ago
Let us know when you find one of these girls as at 36 I’ve yet to meet one AWALT
aVarangian 5y ago
I'm randomly passing through this sub, what does AWALT stand for?
HS-Thompson 5y ago
Another tip that took me a really long time to learn myself -- you don't "find" women like this you "make" them.
Women respond to leadership. You have to start with good raw materials, like a woman with good self discipline, a stable childhood and good role models, and so on. But no matter how good she starts out, if your leadership and frame isn't tight and consistent the relationship will eventually break down.
On the other hand, if you have your own core personality worked out, and have the genuine ability to lead, you can have something at least sort of close to a "unicorn". At least for awhile.
antariusz 5y ago
I’m turning 36 next month. These women don’t exist.
If you think they do, that’s because the women around you think those are traits that you value so they are putting on a show to fit in to their expected societal role.
It’s all a game.
Here’s how it works, I think this is a good analogy, hep me out of you disagree.
I’ve owned lots of cars in my life. I’ve purchased new cars, they are low maintenance, but the cost to own is high (high value required). I’ve purchased used cars, I have a 7 year old Porsche, I could buy a 3000 dollar beater but I don’t want to. Sometimes the Porsche works great and it doesn’t bite me in the ass. Sometimes something expensive breaks and it costs me. But if it breaks down, it doesn’t break me. I can easily afford anything that goes wrong. Because things do go wrong. If it breaks down, I’m not emotionally invested in the car. I have an Audi in my garage. It’s not a better car. It’s just a different car.
You have to have the same mentality with women. It doesn’t matter if she’s your girl for 20 years or 2 years, you can’t let her break you. Some girls are more high maintenance than others, so you have to assess your own level of tolerance for the bullshit. Younger girls have less issues than older women, but they all have issues. You just have to find someone whose issues don’t bother you at all. It’s just a “car”. It’s just a “girl”. You might love your girl, you might love your car, but you wouldn’t cry over a car letting you down, don’t cry when a woman lets you down. And if it ever gets to the point where she’s breaking down more than getting you where you need to go, you need to be able to find replacement transportation.
earlsinclairisdead 5y ago
Excellent reply. Eye opening for someone like myself who just discovered RP.
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destraht 5y ago
Not all women are
with a strong family structure, is introverted, religious background/social circle who stigmatize cheating,. Notice though that much of that is just a circumstance that she was born into and not something awesome about her specifically. I'm not looking for that or think that its a solution for me and I'm just pointing this out.Shadow796 5y ago
You basically described my mom, she has all those traits lol
Morphs_ 5y ago
I guess this is the actual RP you're swallowing right now.
Last year I had this bpd-ish gf. Huge n count, double standards, red flags all over the place. I knew two guys who has kissed her (maybe more) and I always felt like that they had had "more" of a connection with her than me, her bf back then.
And your story nicely illustrates my point: being a plate/FwB is "more" of a connection in the sense that it is pure lust and attraction. Lust and attraction are real and made her come to you. It seems, that relational love is not real, as it couldn't prevent her from hopping on your dick.
Furthermore, an LTR adds paranoia. Especially after realizing AWALT through some RP adventures. Plating/FwBing is the ultimate safe zone. You cannot be hurt, because no attachment is involved.
earlsinclairisdead 5y ago
If he is making her wear a promise right, he strikes me as a BP. NOT a player.
AlfredKinsey 5y ago
Welcome to the other side. Lots of childhood fantasies are goodly and thoroughly annihilated at this level.
Bear-With-Bit 5y ago
Some women forget men they fucked. I banged a chick twice. A few weeks later she says to me "Wait, who are you again?" She literally forgot about me. Do not trust their partner count, because some cannot actually remember it.
haroldpeters 5y ago
Dood this chick actually sounds mentally unbalanced.. I'd soft ghost that one
acekilo 5y ago
Yea I felt that way at one point and then just accepted it. It's their nature of being UNSTABLE CREATURES MAN!!!
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Wrath_of_Trump 5y ago
Moral of the story, don't buy a bitch a fucking ring you cuckolded faggot. She doesn't love this guy, she loves his BB and maybe he's not a total slob so it provides a nice cover but it won't last.