SO...I WAS BANNED FROM TRP BY MODS FOR A DAY, FOR POSTING THE FOLLOWING AND FOR NOT AGREEING WITH MODS WHO DISAGREED. KEEP IT REAL TRP.
I’ve recently started to liken PUA techniques on an undeveloped male physique, to something like real nice hair and nails on a fat chick. you know the kind of ladies I’m talking about.
well I was the male counterpart, I thought that I could compensate for gym time by accumulating head knowledge about game. what kept me doing this for years was that I did have a little success. a little improvement, off and on.
I have found that a solid frame, and some go-to stories and gambits, help raise my SMV by inches. For sure. But making gains in the gym has been atomic to my SMV.
Maybe there are some super charismatic individuals who rely on the head games solely, won’t argue against that.
But I will say that after one year of building my body in the gym, I am getting hit on for the first time by 8s and 9s — I AM getting hit on by them, weekly and sometimes daily many times — and the effort on my part is nearly minimal to make it happen. I am rarely having to tell a story or one-liner to make anything happen. I do believe that I gained some helpful skills during my previous reading, but they are more like icing on the cake. I look back and realize I was living off of icing before.
I also put some effort into learning about diet so as to slim down the waist and then after that building the pecs and arms/ upper body and legs.
Encouragement — lift and lift some more and when you get tired of lifting fucking pick that barbell back up. You are literally raising your SMV to permanence with every set.
EDIT: It’s not complex. Just a friendly attempt to encourage other people who may be in a slump like I used to be.
-Mavs 7y ago
Lifting is definitely better than a good fitting suit or pick up lines.
Was watching this pick up artist on YouTube and man was he cringy AF; dude showed no gym visits whatsoever in his physique and he thought his pua game was good: it wasn't.
Also, I want to add that a lot of guys think that suits make them look good; what happens when you it comes time to strip down? You're left with skinny fat or dad bod physiques that'll dry up your lady friend faster than [insert any analogy about dryness and shit here].
Go lift, ya fucks.
NACHTK1113R 7y ago
What's wrong with being skinny fat? I know plenty of guys who are skinny fat who get laid more than the majority of guys.
Cesare_MA 7y ago
Do you really want to go your entire life without seeing the physical capabilities of your body? That would be a huge regret for me.
willowhawk 7y ago
Skinny fat us honestly one of the most disgusting forms and male body can take.
NACHTK1113R 7y ago
Bollocks mate most guys are skinny fat.
brotein_synthesis 7y ago
Yeah, that might work for you if you are tall, attractive or popular. However, if you're skinny fat and lack any of the three things previously mentioned, you will be fucked.
NACHTK1113R 7y ago
Yeah, I guess so. I'm skinny fat myself, but I'm 6'10 and I have had some women tell me they thought I had a 'handsome face'. I also have the rockstar thing going on as well - some women think I am extremely high status, but it's really just a hobby, I'm not really at the point yet where I can do anything significant with it, but it doesn't really matter, I'm a real hit with the tattood and pierced type girls. Whenever I open them they are usually fairly receptive to my advances, despite my somewhat lackluster game.
brotein_synthesis 7y ago
According to google, you are 208.28cm tall in metric. Literally 2% of the population anywhere is this tall or probably less.
It would be really sad if you are a lonely sperg bullshitting on reddit but then again, if you were that tall and good looking, what are you doing on The Red Pill?
NACHTK1113R 7y ago
You sound like an insecure manlet. I'm sure the majority of guys on here are manlets who are extremely insecure about themselves. That's why they keep talking about lifting like it's some kind of panacea to all their life's problems
brotein_synthesis 7y ago
Im fine with my height, bro. You keep doging questions tho and your story makes littel sense, just sayin
KekistanRefugee 7y ago
Dude just straight up admitted he’s a frustrated manlet. Perfect example of projection.
Auvergnat 7y ago
I am getting tired of people trying to rank what's most important in raising your SMV.
Every man should lift AND learn Game AND make money AND increase their social status. You don't have to compare them. You don't have to rank what's the most important. You do them all, that's all. Posts like yours do a great disservice to newbies by giving them excuses to not work on one aspect of themselves that they're not so keen to work on.
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Faggots with a deficit just pretend what they lack isnt important
SKRedPill 7y ago
Kind of like that guy who skips leg day, huh?
magx01 7y ago
Thousands of hours of effort for some pleasure and mostly headaches.
Cesare_MA 7y ago
So true. Being aesthetic can get your foot in the door, but you’re not pulling shit if you socialize like an autist.
Chaddeus_Rex 7y ago
Doesnt making more money make you a BB in a girls eyes?
TheReformist94 7y ago
Because lifting is looks and looks is the most important factor and cannot be denied.
This sub and the mods can keep trying to stamp out this topic but it'll keep resurfacing because it's the truth.
Good looking men dont run game.tjeu have a normal chat just like they do with their bros.the girl wants to talk to them, so the conversation just rolls and is followed by sex
[deleted] 7y ago
100% true, in my experience. no doubt about this.
NoFapColdShower 7y ago
Agree. social skills are pretty important. But I would argue that rehearsed "game" is extraordinarily un-natural and girls see through it 99% of the time and you sound like a try hard dumbass who read some shit online (even to people who don't know what PUA is). The only time it really works is when some aspect of your SMV ends up being your saving grace.
RasputinGame 7y ago
Lifting is good but you hit diminishing returns quickly if you're already fit. It's even possible to start turning off girls with too much bodybuilding. (Wayyy down the line though)
Personality and experience goes much further and applies to more in life. Girls would be more interested if you had a cool athletic hobby instead of just lifting. Lifting to increase athletic performance is the best option.
NoFapColdShower 7y ago
you have to be on gear to get to that level (even on gear its insanely hard to get to) anyways. The biggest full natty lifters out there aren't even close to being "so big that they turn off girls". My point is, If you're natty I wouldn't even consider worrying about turning off girls by being too big.
NACHTK1113R 7y ago
Bollocks. You need game, girls aren't going to fuck a guy just after a bit of small talk unless he's a celebrity.
Chaddeus_Rex 7y ago
Happened to me. Just flirted with a girl, made funny jokes and fucked her on second date. Easy peasy
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NACHTK1113R 7y ago
Most people here are deluded they've been sold a lie. Next time you are out walk up to some random girls and ask them directly if they want to fuck, the answer will obviously be NO. ????
No game = no sex.
You can flex those muscles all you like if you have them, but ultimately your muscles do very little to effect your average lay count unless you are a manlet.
mytrillosophy 7y ago
Asking a girl straight up like that can be a good opener. Obviously the conversation isn’t going to be
“Hey, Lets have sex”
“Alright.”
But if you’re very high smv a girl will probably laugh and you can go from there
NACHTK1113R 7y ago
If you straight out ask a girl to fuck you are going to get blown out, or meet a ton of resistance. You need to establish a decent level of comfort before getting sexual, or else you'll end up making things much more difficult for yourself. The only reliable way to get sexual is through kino. It's much harder over text because you can't physically escalate, and some of us have specific jokes that we will only use in person as well.
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TheRedPike Senior Endorsed 7y ago
Pretty much the reason I gassed the thread. Hit the damn report button.
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JeremiahRants 7y ago
You thinking about GayLubeOil Lessabutt?
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IndividualSplit 7y ago
that wasn't required even a little bit if you cant tell already
willowhawk 7y ago
Over agreeing and amplifies betrays the very foundation of why you use it in the first place. To show you don't care.
Sometimes not careing is the best way to show you don't actually care. Just a thought...
[deleted] 7y ago
don’t fret brutha, just playin
OmegaMan2 7y ago
People's experiences vary and while I would agree that ALL aspects of self improvement are important, i.e. Game, grooming, dressing well, good career, etc... AND LIFTING, there are always areas in which you are weak. From my experience as a somewhat chubby or flabby young man, lifting melted the blubber off of me and gave me the confidence to approach the ladies and ultimately succeed.
I would have just said, that YES lifting is important, but then you also need to improve on the whole package in order to get anywhere these days.
[deleted] 7y ago
Then downvote it and move on. stop wasting your breath. I for one have all of those components that you named and I can tell you flat out that physique SMV hauls ass more than the others. that’s not something I read that’s something I did.
RasputinGame 7y ago
He's using your post as a launching point to say something slightly interesting.
Auvergnat 7y ago
I did downvote it. And then I commented on it to explain my opinion on why others should downvote it too. And if you don't understand why, re-read my last sentence again.
[deleted] 7y ago
actually you are wildly inaccurate in your conclusion. I clearly stated that I had pursued other factors that relate to SMV. my point was not to single one factor out and remove the others, rather I noted that one factor has more impact than the others. your reply however States that I am disregarding the others. completely false. my post is unedited and verifiable to this conclusion.
Store_Front_Door 7y ago
I'm pretty sure that an out of shape billionaire could fuck any girl you'd point to.
Entropy-7 7y ago
But he would never fuck her a second time unless she came out of the first time with some material benefit. That is, unless he showed her such a great time with his wit and charm (ie, game).
[deleted] 7y ago
an out of shape billionaire could marry any girl. dude with physique and style is going to be doing the fucking when he’s away
RasputinGame 7y ago
A lot of hot girls fuck guys because they pay for everything. You clearly don't have money. I will grant that those girls are usually dumb.
Store_Front_Door 7y ago
Is it fun being delusional?
[deleted] 7y ago
if delusional entails an actual billionaire’s wife sucking my dick? yeh. that’s fun in my book.
Store_Front_Door 7y ago
What about misinterpreting what people are trying to say and then arguing about things people initially didn't even mention, it seems you're having fun with that either, since you're doing it a lot ITT.
But hey, whatever floats your boat my dude.
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[deleted] 7y ago
Looks (physique, height, and attractiveness) are by far and away the most important factors. Then when wealth follows it's too easy.
Abundance mentality and "game" will be developed naturally due to the first two factors.
Store_Front_Door 7y ago
Women are more attracted to men that look after their physiques?
Having a good body and regularly working out increases your self confidence which manifests in to all aspects of your life???
What the fuck¿¿¿???¿?
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legitimateusername4 7y ago
Six foot tall young white dude with shit game concludes that weightlifting is the better option.
Entropy-7 7y ago
Tell that to Mystery. You could probably snap him like a twig with your 18" guns but he has gamed more women than you.
But really, and I have said this before: it is about leveraging your own assets to achieve the greatest effect. A buddy of mine has a 143 IQ and is champion debater and public speaker. He is also overweight. In law school he was gaming hot waitresses left and right. After law school he went to med school and now he an ER doctor making $350k a year or more.
The question is not whether he could increase his SMV through diet and exercise but rather 1) is he perfectly happy with his SMV and the results that it brings and 2) given his stocky frame and lifestyle, would leveraging his social skills make more sense and take less than spending energy on diet and excercise?
The answer in one or both cases is "yes" so he doesn't hit the gym much if at all.
For a guy who is completely bewildered by the SMP and has difficulties applying game or understanding the vagarities of social cues and such, it makes much more sense to lift and eat right and increase his SMV by improving his body. He can work on game along the way and then get the balance of what strategy is working best as he goes.
If you have studied business then look at "core competencies", "internal rate of return" or even something like "marginal revenue product" to think about where you direct your resources to maximize your outcomes.
Alternatively, TRP is a toolbox. Different guys need different tools depending on the nature of the work in progress (ie. THEM).
Thekillatygr 7y ago
I lift every day. I've been going hard as fuck for a while and im not huge but people call me "ripped, jacked" etc. But i experience hella flakiness. My social circle is also very small. PUA skills are more important.
dumbkidaccount 7y ago
can you show me your pics?
im curious , if you are getting hit on by 8's you must be a chad
Iwannachokekatie 7y ago
Yeah. Naturally handsome guys hit the gym for a couple months, drop a couple bf% and then boast about their massive gains.
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pretty uncomfortable sharing after my welcoming committee on this post. I’m 6 ft tall, white dude, decent sense of style when I need to dress up. 185/18% bf. I used body for life almost exclusively working out, on a vegan diet. lots of protein shakes.
kaane 7y ago
And you still have 18% BF ?!?! Something doesn't add up here
willowhawk 7y ago
18% is pretty high for fitness guy.
[deleted] 7y ago
185 with 18percent is SkinnyFat
simpleafk 7y ago
One problem I find a lot of people doing is not actively practicing their social skills/PUA. They will run scenarios in their heads and not actually going out to pick up women. When they stumble over their words and fail in real life, they are convinced that their SMV isn't high enough and that PUA techniques don't work. They become bitter and start blaming everyone for their failure.
[deleted] 7y ago
Yeh. I still experience failures myself. remembering that learning is a part of it helps me to get up and continue. my success has been tremendous since the past year, but I still make mistakes.
Reading “ask trp” is encouraging too
simpleafk 7y ago
I've been learning PUA since I discovered it when I was 16 and I have failed so much since then. Let me tell you that some of these fails are out of this world. But at the end of the day each success will eclipse hundreds of your failures. Even to this day I still make mistakes and I still fail but I have gotten so used to rejection it doesn't faze me. A majority of the girls that initially reject me come back to me because my actions doesn't fit their expectations. They expect me to become beta and beg for their attention and time. My idgaf attitude goes against everything they expect a guy would do.
Iwannachokekatie 7y ago
If you want to talk about your physique, at least tell us your stats.
JamesSkepp 7y ago
Game>Looks
Therefore:
PUA>Lifting
Ideally you want both. Your looks will open the door for you, but it's you'r game that will close the deal. Your biceps will not break trough LMR, your PR deadlift won't open for you. When it comes to other men in the set, you can intimidate your competition but it's almost impossible to try to intimidate a decent PUA. We're gonna tool you and you won't even know it.
Thus - get both. Lift but don't forget to learn how to game girls. Not just talk to a lot of them, but game for game's sake.
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warrior5597 7y ago
And who do you think they fuck when they're tired of their shit? What do you think happens when Chad makes eye contact and wets the panties? Hot chicks in LTRs are seriously some of the easiest ONS to get, also some of the most morally ambiguous. I used to really feel bad for the betas, even left a message on one dudes game console. It's like having a loyal chubby chick at home, ideally we might not mind having a ltr with a 5 or 6 that worships the ground we walk on and do what we ask. It's great and all but sometimes you just want so much more, even if it's for just an hour. Works both ways.
Been on all sides of this equation, including the loser at home worshipping the ground a HB9 ltr that went off and fucked 3 different Chad's in a year that I knew about while I would be at home jerking off and begging her to come home. Ah, those days. Don't think because a hb8-10 has some loser at home means they are happily taken. They very well might be 99% of the time, but it only takes moments for her to forget about it and let go. A lot of dudes don't even know they're hooking up with a taken girl unless you go stalker mode and find her on fb with the last posts being couple selfies and how grateful they are to have so and so. Awalt.
brotein_synthesis 7y ago
Bullshit. They must have something going for themselves
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what I have experienced - speaking from my own experience here - is that women prefer attractive guys over interesting guys if they have to choose. put me in a room with a guy who has stronger game than I do but a wimpy physique and I AMOG him out without even trying at present.
of course having both is preferable. I wouldn’t argue against that.
I am not stating that physical SMV replaces game, but yes in my case I am stating that it took me further of its own accord than game did of its own accord.
globst 7y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2H9o6z1oKU
Game is far more important.
Lifting helps and girls will give you more options to open and more chances to fuck things up before they reject you. However, if a PUA comes along and she is conducive to being seduced by his game (and importantly he knows what he is doing) - as that guy above says, he will tool you and you'll be left dumbstruck as he effortlessly peels her away. You won't even realise before its too late.
yessum447 7y ago
Looks will get your foot in the door with the girl, but game will seal the deal. You're never having sex without game, and you're never talking to a decent girl without looks.
You must have both but if you had to choose one you should definitely go for game.
NACHTK1113R 7y ago
You couldn't AMOG a pua because you are comparitively clueless when it comes to game. In fact the only reason you are saying this to begin with is because you have shit game.
JamesSkepp 7y ago
PUA doesn't mean interesting. PUA (and in more broad terms game too) means you know the "technical" part of the seduction, you understand the process and know how to control it.
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then as you know understanding the technical part of seduction will translate to being a more interesting person. we are both describing a television - you were saying that a television is comprised of wires and diode’s and I am saying that a television is comprised of a screen that processes an image;
both are correct, same view from different angles.
Holy shit is this still the red pill or is this a full moon or
NACHTK1113R 7y ago
This is just bollocks what has TRP got against PUA? honestly the majority of guys here seem to be full of shit. Women care little for a man's physique, it's more important to be tall have a handsome face and solid game those are your fundamentals(being shredded just isn't necessary). A guy can be as shredded as he wants to but at the end of the day you still need solid game.
refusewool 7y ago
Nice work but don’t give people false hope about losing fat and building muscle at the same time. This can be done to a small extent when you first start out but otherwise is not achievable. Calories in vs calories out.
[deleted] 7y ago
I started building, stopped and used a keto diet to slim down (didnt take long), then hit the weights again to keep stacking muscle. I definitely agree. hypertrophy and weight loss are separate focii.
edit: Ah, I see. I used the word “simultaneously.” just edited that out and rephrased my sentence for clarification.
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Red_Faust 7y ago
Leangains: https://leangains.com/
Unless someone is truly advanced, leangains can be used to do both quickly and efficiently.
There's a whole subreddit on the stuff: http://archive.is/6zl2F
[deleted] 7y ago
I think there is a lot of value in that. I haven’t tried it yet. someone else who has had amazing success with that is Joey Schloeder, fitness dude on YouTube mindnmuscle (it might be musclenmind). dude never does cutting and bulking he is constantly building lean muscle. he is also completely vegan and cut like the fucking hulk somehow (vegan on juice? haha. I don’t know but he’s been successful).
refusewool 7y ago
I’m no stranger to leangains, I tried it for about 6 months. It’s a good way to cut since you limit your calorie intake window but there is limited evidence to suggest it is anything more. No quality evidence proving that you can build muscle and cut fat.
Edit: gaining lean muscle mass is certainly possible and can be facilitated with the leangains programme (or done just as successfully without). I’m not disputing that. Just that you can’t burn fat and gain muscle simultaneously.
[deleted] 7y ago
height > hair > facial looks > body > money > social status > game.
ReadyPlayer15 7y ago
Height is above face? If so great but r u sure?
Iwannachokekatie 7y ago
No. He's just short, bald, ugly, fat, broke, outcast and socially retarded. In that order.
wainbros66 7y ago
I’m laughing so hard holy fuck. You’re probably right too, poor guy
notgonnamakeitx 7y ago
lol have u ever watched rsd on youtube? chubby/balding mid 40s dudes pull hella with good game, ur full of shit and judging from how you said you are learning about diet and "slimming down" you've probably gotten some nooby gains and are still skinny fat day dreaming about girls hitting on you while resting in between sets of your 3x5 bench for 95 lbs LOL.
fur10us_falcon 7y ago
Thos3 are paid models btw rsd are the biggest scammers out there
notgonnamakeitx 7y ago
do you have proof? i've had suspicions myself but I genuinely feel like alot of the advice (atleast rsdmax) i have gotten from it has helped me a lot and i'm sure atleast some of the interactions are legitmate if they were faking it.
CommonMisspellingBot 7y ago
Hey, notgonnamakeitx, just a quick heads-up:
alot is actually spelled a lot. You can remember it by it is one lot, 'a lot'.
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Scandinavianredpill 7y ago
This is true. I keep saying this, look at the big picture. Become an excellent example of a man and alot of things will be easier in your life, not just women.
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Hey, Scandinavianredpill, just a quick heads-up:
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‘a lot.’ Not ‘a lot’.
The period places inside the quotations.