You probably won't learn anything new from this, it's really to see if all I've learnt in the last few months is considered to be accurate. Feel free to give some feed back.
I postulate that what makes men attractive to women can be summed up into 4 categories: Looks, Social Status, Wealth and Personality. We will go through each in detail.
Looks
Looks can be separated further into 3 subcategories: Genes, Appearance and Physique.
Genes: A woman wants her children to have the best genes she can give them, she is therefore more attracted to men with stronger physiognomy and bone structure - defined features
like a jawline or a brow that signifies strength, facial symmetry is paramount. Height is a cardinal feature as well, not only for ripe genetics but also the implication of dominance over other men. While slightly less principle, race can be a factor. While most races prefer their own, most evidence would suggest that Europeans are generally considered to be the most attractive.
Appearance: This essentially means how well put together you are, it can include your haircut, your hygiene, skin/health maintenance and fashion sense. These are usually indicators of your status, health and social intelligence. They can also accentuate attractive genetic or physique features. Since fashion changes regularly a definitive attractive haircut can’t be stated but a safe bet is to go with what famous actors tend to have.
Physique: It’s no secret that a man with big arms and chiseled abs has an easier time with ladies, it implies that he would be able to take care of himself and her should he need to. Though for certain being neither skinny or fat, the ideal male body type is not defined and really depends on the woman, however being fit with low body fat will probably give the most success.
Social Status
A man with a large following or network indicates a leader with access to resources, and what do women want more than social validation? A man with social validation. The most attractive men will have millions of people who know them and validate them, however even high ranking men in small communities benefit from the attraction to that role. If you’re someone who people listen to and do what you say, women will notice. The same goes for just recognition, if multiple people acknowledge you (whether it’s bartenders or managers) a woman will take that as a sign of social status, a very attractive trait in men, in atavistic times the head of a tribe would be well known and respected, it was him that had the best access to the reproductive line. Making contacts and social circles helps achieve this, also if you happen to become famous for some reason or another.
Wealth
Probably the most simple trait but also the most difficult to achieve. Women like men with money, especially if they think they will buy them things that elevate their status (expensive cars, cars or holidays). If someone finds out a partner has been unfaithful to them a man’s biggest fear is the physical act of fornication, whereas a woman can’t stand the thought of her man’s resources going towards another woman. The primordial reasoning behind this attractive trait is quite obvious, financial stability and access to resources will provide her and her offspring a better quality life. If I knew how to
Personality
As opposed to wealth, this is one of the easier traits but also the most complex. The most important thing is being yourself. That is if you are an alpha male with an abundance mentality. In pick up and red pill circles a term widely used is Frame - acting within your reality and bringing people into it. This essential means you do things on your terms and you are not emotionally affected by her. One of the most important attitudes that you can have in a relationship is that she needs you more than you need her and that your life will not be affected by her being in or out of it, the worst thing you can be is needy. This will come to test when you are tested by her to see if you are mentally stable enough to breed with, she will try to unnerve or get a rise out of you, if you do this you have failed the test. Being focused on your career and self improvement should be your main goal, this will be better for you and she will find that attractive. Confidence is considered to be one of the most important traits a man can have, this means believing that people will respect you no matter what you do or say, this comes across in your body language and voice tonality. This is essential in making a move on a girl, if you don’t believe in your ability to do it, neither will she. There are other traits you can have like humour or intelligence but they can be simulated through your confidence, you don’t necessarily have to be funny or smart, just as long as you act funny or smart. That being said social intelligence is needed to pick up on indications of interest and social cues. Once again these personality traits are found in a leader, causing the attraction.
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cirrusice 5y ago
Well you better send a support ticket to God. Maybe he can help you.
Fapisluv 5y ago
I have a friend who is just like yours. Tall, slim, handsome, and naturally very, VERY aloof. In all the years we have seen many girls hitting on him, while non even cared about me ( i dont even think i was THAT ugly), and I used to hate that. We had lost touch with eachother due to living in different towns for a few years. Meanwhile i lost weight, got muscular (not shredded), i lost face fat and some puffiness (taking meds for mah thyroid). I am decently attractive, kinda shortish at 177cm though, but i look like I take care of myself.
We are now in the same town again, and started hanging out together. Women talk to/hit on us both. I am no longer invisible when hanging out with him. He is still chad due to being taller, but he acts like a beacon of light for women to either talk to us or throw IOIs our way.
2 points. First, embrace your chad friend, and look like someone who takes care of themselves. You are going to get girls easily just by being around chad. Second, looks matter a lot.
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His attitude and looks work for him.
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When you say that he got approached on mall you mean that they literally asked him for his number or that they gave him IOI's and tried to casually get his attetion?
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You want to see a dude like that google "David Laid"
This kid is about 20 and in terms of physique only (His personality is good, but he still has a lot more to learn for sure) he is about as close as I have ever seen to the ultimate Alpha body.
The dude is a ectomorph, 6' 3" or some bullshit so he comes off as svelt and athletic while simultaneously being fucking huge because he has lifted since 15 (and is probably is on cycle), while also having this unbelievable baby face, so he's got some weird super-youthful cupid thing going where women put their guard down.
As far as I know that is about as good as it gets.
Weirdly enough the dude doesn't seem to be a huge ladies man, I guess he never took the red pill.
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"probalcly on cycle " you retard .
anotheronedies 5y ago
I watched some of his videos and yeah he is way out of his girlfriend's league..
scissor_me_timbers00 5y ago
Lol you little phaggot you’re not fooling anyone. “Just for research” ha
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pretty sure this was being sarcastic / funny...
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trplurker 5y ago
-1% BF 7 feet tall and 250 lbs of pure muscle. That's how you get da hoes.
redisthetruth 6y ago
DGAF attitude and the I-don't-need-you attitude is what gets girls chasing you.
Looks are important to a certain degree, but even ugly men can pull good-looking girls if they have other things going for them.
420KUSHBUSH 6y ago
There's no such thing as leagues and girls crave a guy who can live life just fine, with or without them
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FrugalKrugman 5y ago
I have been DGAF'ing for a long time now, when I see some attractive girl I just ignore her or don't make much out of her - I feel like I am higher than her though I am not the most successful in the looks department. Not sure if this is the correct strategy. I think that if you pay 0 attention she just wouldn't care about my presence either. Any advice?
redisthetruth 5y ago
DGAF is ACTUALLY DGAF. Like, "I don't really care what anybody thinks of me. I don't need to try because women want a man and I am a man. The true man is the limited resource; new pretty girls are born everyday." It's a mindset shift of you do whatever you want, even if it's looking at the girl and paying her a little attention. You do whatever you want to do regardless of what people may think of you.
It's not something you do as much as it's a vibe that you give off once you mature and grow as a man.
This is true DGAF.
blacklightsleaze 5y ago
First you need have some value in you for DGAF to work. Every second lazy stoner I know is DGAF af and does weird shit, but they rarely get girls or not at all.
metalzforbreakfast 5y ago
I disagree.
Looks and Game are #1
You can have all the money in the world and have a large following/network, but if you're 5'5 30% body fat I guarantee you she won't be attracted to you. She will not have the physical raw desire to fuck you.
Do you think that when you go clubbing and you approach whatever girl there, she cares about your money or social circle?
blacklightsleaze 5y ago
Something I noticed about the unattractive guys around me who got rich or achieved some social status is that the quantity of women attracted to them rised, but not the quality. Despite being rich they still fuck average at best, but just in higher numbers. While the hotter girls still go for hot guys.
TheReformist94 5y ago
Shhh stop speaking the truth. ! It's about career and status. Heehee
blacklightsleaze 5y ago
Well, fucking average girls is still satisfying :)
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Probably a genetics thing, i feel more comfortable fucking girls in my looks range. it's just one of those things that i think becomes easier once you sort YOUR looks out etc
plus normal looking chicks are normally better/nastier in bed than good looking frigid bitches etc more willing whatever
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Who cares? you can pay for the woman to fuck you lol
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You gotta pay in one way or another anyway
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__ROOSTER__ 5y ago
thank god someone else here understands looks are a womans game.
yes a man should maximize his looks, but its not looks that makes the man.
abdada 5y ago
Yep, a man SHOULD maximize his looks, for certain. But it shouldn't be the thing he's most worried about, by any means.
Ewox08 5y ago
This sub is getting bombarded by newbies and as such the influx of votes are mostly influenced by something they relate with. Take the top comment for example. It's a comment gratifying looks too much. Idk if it's possible but if mods only allow upvoting from accounts that have been subbed for at least a year, that would be great.
abdada 5y ago
That's why I post reminders here -- newbies get so disheartened when some moron shitposts that "looks are everything!!!!!! OMG GET PLASTIC SURGERY AND PENIS ENLARGEMENT SURGERY!!!"
Newbies need to know that's not the case. Not at all.
Zarathrusta_Speaks 5y ago
Where did I say that? I said it’s one of the 4 factors
LiveAFTSOV 5y ago
Why are you not endorsed? EVERY comment I've seen by you has been a knowledge bomb - and I saw you made "pivot and climb."
I took up the mantle for red pill animated videos, btw, you inspired me.
abdada 5y ago
Previous mods banned me a lot for shitting on the PUA direction they were taking. "Sex is everything".
Ewox08 5y ago
I agree. His comments are solid. I would even consider this an alt-account of someone endorsed.
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this is why you see assholes with hot chicks, they had the balls to hit on those chicks
abdada 5y ago
That's all it takes: Game = Confidence + Charisma.
Confidence = you have balls
Charisma = you don't act "creepy"
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As an ugly guy who has got laid more than enough times, if i let my negative self belief hold me back, there is no way i would have got laid if ever.
Confidence and charisma is probably why i'm still riding on that wave!
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Runatir 5y ago
curious, what would you rate yourself based solely on looks
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I have a skin condition which makes it a lot harder to percieve my looks in a positive way, so i'd go with a probable 3/4.
If i override the bitchy tendancies, get driving. i know i wouldn't have any trouble getting poon, it's just a matter of mindset and finding whatever you want from life i guess.
nester79 5y ago
Wealth in and of itself may not be an alpha requirement but many of those who have a lot of wealth have alpha personalities which led to success and wealth. So while not an independent attribute of being an alpha, it can often be correlated with alpha characteristics.
abdada 5y ago
Yeah, Zuckerberg, so alpha.
Next.
nester79 5y ago
You say that as if you know him personally. Sure he looks like a wuss and pretty ugly but have you seen him in a boardroom or in a meeting with investors?
To get your idea across to venture capitalists (who by the way are ridiculously rich and extremely alpha) you have to be quite alpha yourself especially at the young age when he started. To deal with a board of directors all who have huge ass egos you have to be able to command and control the room.
You want to talk about maintaining frame? You think maintaining frame with a woman is a challenge? Try maintaining frame with men who have larger egos than you have imagined.
Elon Musk, Richard Branson, Mark Cuban. Even Steve Jobs had an alpha personality.
For you to say "next" shows that you understand little to nothing about how these issues work. We're not talking about nerdy computer programmers - we're talking about men who created empires.
Some people here think alpha means lifting and being a bodybuilder - if that's what you think than you're missing the whole point. Being alpha merely means you control the room. Look at Tony Soprano's character - he's a fatass that probably can't even run a mile but his personality exuded control. Look at Brando's character in Godfather - he was an old decrepit dude but still commanded respect.
Don't mistake alpha to be a buff jock with no brains growing a beard with a beer belly. If that's you, then you're just that - someone with little insight into this. Being alpha is about improving yourself and your life - if you want to be an MMA fanatic and work as a bouncer the rest of your life than you not only missed the point but you've become a loser.
abdada 5y ago
I've done my share of VC in the past and have met a lot of very very wealthy men. Only about 3% of mega-wealthy men are natural alphas, just like in the general society percentages.
I've very publicly invested in many startups -- just not tech Bay Area bullshit. You picked 3 alpha VCs but you forgout about the biggest blue pill company in the bay area: Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers
Can you name ONE person at Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers? Name one. ONE.
Let's switch to a bigger VC firm that is blue pilled madness: Andreessen Horowitz
Name one top alpha there. One.
Money has almost nothing to do with alphadom. It's so close to zero that I would say it's actually a negative trait because it attracts gold diggers and a lot of fake alphas lose their shit if they get an erection.
nester79 5y ago
My initial claim is that you will often see those in wealth and power with alpha traits. I never said you will see ALL with the traits nor did I suggest that wealth is causative for having an alpha personality.
I still don't think that my statement is wrong. You selected yourself some "blue pill" firms but I don't think that's an accurate way to get your point across in the same way that my examples were not to prove any point but merely to illustrate that what I was saying had some merit.
Having wealth isn't a negative trait necessarily - it has to do with how you got your wealth. If you made money being a nerd and then invested in VC companies and made more money doing that then yes - your wealth came from your beta traits. If you went to college on an athletic scholarship and still did well and went on to be successful in a competitive field where you can't be a pushover - then that's a different story.
Money itself isn't negative or positive - this is not an absolute issue - it's how you use your money.
abdada 5y ago
I agree, but defending Zuck as if he actually alpha'd a bunch of VC firms for the money is way off target. It's easy to assume he dove into VC with his own confidence but if you're familiar with his childhood home network, you'll see this is far from the truth. His dad did bail him out financially, and his upbringing led him to already know a lot of close contacts in the VC community.
Chasing money is not alpha nor beta nor omega. It should not be in the male SMV consideration as a major effect on SMV. Having a lot or having none definitely is an issue because of OTHER considerations on SMV.
warburgio 5y ago
I changed countries. Went from being one of the founders and main trainers of a fight club (which in fifteen years grew and now exists in 5 cities having more than 50 members, many candidates, stable pool of orbiting girls) to be an unknown Joe in my new country. Status, social proof, when girls see that other girls are into you, showing competence, ordering ppl around etc. - all that gives tremendous spike to how attractive you are for girls.
bitcoin1188 5y ago
Step 1 be hot and not awkward Step 2 get pwussay Step 3 get money because pwussay loses its thrill
fur10us_falcon 5y ago
If your bald and 5'6 how can I make up for those shortcomings
K1KK0_1t4 5y ago
Shave your head. Grow facial hair.
Buy shoes that have a higher heels than normal (an half inch is ok, more looks ridicoulous to others and feels weird while walking).
Start lifting: short and strong is better than short and lean/skinnyfat/obese or whatever.
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What if he’s poor, is an ectomorph and can’t grow a beard?
RaughKee 5y ago
These are all factors in attraction. The important take away for most of us is to play to your strengths and minimize your weaknesses. If you aren't blessed with great genetics, then lift and use style to mitigate while working hard on things you can have more control of like game and social status.
We don't all start at equal points but we can all have success by being honest and critical with ourselves and focusing on improvement.
SorbateHead 5y ago
Some women do know however, when it comes to dominance, Height is bullshit...Mindset is everything. It's not the size of the dog in the fight that matters, it's the size of the fight in the dog...every. fucking. time. I've seen guys that were 5'3" that were the human version of a Pit Bull with a warriors soul.
Some women know a pussy when they see one, short or tall.
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blacklightsleaze 5y ago
Do you have any idea why weight classes in fighting sports exist? Because if Pacquiao fight Klitschko, Klitschko will destroy him with one hit. The good news is even a 70 kg man can dominate a woman.
SorbateHead 5y ago
Sure dude
blacklightsleaze 5y ago
Ah, used to fight a lot of as teen and 80-90% of the cases I won vs smaller guys and lost vs bigger. What it matters is not only height, but weight too. Muscular sorter guy will beat taller skinny guy, sure. But try fight someone big and tall.... do you know how it feels to be hit by someone 20-30 kgs heavier than you?
SorbateHead 5y ago
As a matter of fact yes...I've had my ass handed to me a couple times. Once by a drunk guy at a fair who was taller and wider and punched extremely hard upside peoples heads. Got my bells rung. I'm 5'11" 200 now , at the time 190, I was lifting then as well. Second time by a dude who was about 5' fucking 3" tall...fucker stole my beer at the bar...I confronted him...I thought no problem he's a short fuck...I reached for the beer he dared me to take back and caught an extremely hard right hook to my rib cage. The pain was ungodly and he kept the fucking pint. A trip to the Dr the next day...it hurt when I breathed...three cracked ribs.