I’m in a state of wow over this one. So hopefully this doesn’t get deleted and we can have more of a mature discussion or your thoughts on this one instead of the read and learn type post. This is less about being a hypocrite and more about what is going on here given AWALT. I’m interested in what you all have to say about it. Like I said let’s try to keep it mature and to the point of what’s going on and why.
In my first post about this, The girl I talk about married Jack and had a kid very early in her life. They met in freshman year of college. I think she either lost her virginity to him or had sex one other time before. Got married shortly after and had a kid. They Bought a house. And did the whole “traditional American dream” relationship process at a young age.
When you meet Lori she comes of as a very innocent, and loyal type of chick. I’ve seen her turn a lot of guys down and remain loyal. But I guess when you skip out riding the CC in your 20s. Then get a taste of good dick it caused her to make up for lost Time. Or just go on an insane dick craving binge.
Anyway, To get to the point, after Lori had told me about what she was doing I didn’t really bother talking to her much after. (We were previously co workers together. That’s how we met.) She invited me to parties and stuff but I didn’t go. I felt bad for jack and didn’t want to be put in a spot where I felt I should say something to him. And get in the middle so I just avoided them. (Although I did tell her she needs to tell him. Or just leave)
She messages me out of the blue to invite me to something. I decline and she says “any chance you want to listen to how bad I fucked up this time?”
I don’t, but now I’m curious so I ask what?
She tells me she went on a trip to Iowa with the new dude she had been fucking (Matt), and his brother, Mike. (Mind you they are all friends with jack. The brother is actually jacks “best friend”).
Jack was already upset for her going. But she didn’t care.
She said on the trip she got really drunk, was mad at Matt, and ended up fucking Mike (Matt’s brother) now also.
So she not only cheated on her husband with one of his closest friends. She started to fall for him and Then got pissed at him. And fucked his brother. (Who is also her husbands best friend.) From knowing this girl for as long as I did and thinking she was one way. To hearing this. My jaw dropped and I was in disgust.
Of course I said. Wow what’s your husband have to say about all this? (knowing she didn’t tell him or leave him yet). She says “he doesn’t know. I’m so sick over it. I haven’t ate since I got home”
Then she begins to say how she is so fucked up. Because she’s more upset that Matt won’t forgive her for what she did than the fact of what she’s doing to her husband behind his back.
She starts to say how she was so drunk. Barely remembered. It wasn’t even that good. This and that.
I tried to get her husband into red pill a long time ago. But he didn’t really take the bait. But fuck man I wish he would have. I told her she needs to fucking tell him or just leave because she’s being a piece of shit and she’s not the victim here. She said she’s been trying to “ease him into it.” That she wishes she got caught instead of dealing with it now. The husband wants her to go to counseling. He thinks she has PTSD From almost dying (she needed a new liver and was on a long list to get one. Almost didn’t make it. But finally got one. And is good now.)
Anyway. I realize who I’m talking to at this point and I’m wasting my time saying anything to make her stop being a piece of shit and I just stop responding.
But needless to say my mind is blown. I’d never picture this girl even cheating from when I first knew her to her going full blown slut with no remorse for anything or anyone involved. Including the kid.
Some women aren’t AWALT. They are just bad people.
BluBlac59 5y ago
So in keeping it brief. She is detroying her husband's frienships.(shitty friends) and in time she will divorce rape him too. What a great catch ! Your looking like a shitty friend too.
skillfullturk 5y ago
If she died hed be better off. Bc if they get a divorce, hell be stuck with the all the attorney fees, child support and possibly giving her half of his income including the house. So either way he is fucked.
djh860 5y ago
The main points I see I all this is one everyone in this story is a pos And if husband had been a red pill guy this never would have happened
TrenGod37 5y ago
He had the chance. I tried to couch him too. But he thought he had it under control
Herdsengineers 5y ago
OP - I know it's eye opening. Here's another aspect though - this chick is using you as her emotional tampon. Women will slot men into roles - one guy will be her beta bux provider (husband for this chick). Another guy, or guys, provide dick and excitement (husband's brother duo friends). Another guy is her confidant, aka emotional tampon (THIS IS YOU). In this case, this chick has everyone all lined up as orbiters that each play a different role for her (roles are provider, dick, and confidant split up to different guys).
Next thing for you is realize the role she's slotting you into in her little circle of self created drama. She's looking for comfort and escape from the problems that she created for herself, and she's using you in that effort.
If you wanted to be a real dick and pour gas on the fire so to speak, you could go tell her husband all the dirty details. If you wanted to just eliminate drama from your life, though, take the easiest path forward for you, then just distance yourself and don't be any role player in her life's little drama play.
TrenGod37 5y ago
I’ve known her for a while. I’m totally fine with the “role” I stand with, With her. I’m not here to change that. I’m in an LTR and have no issue getting women. She’s just a friend to me. And I’m cool with how our relationship is. Since this I have distance myself from her (me, her. My girl and jack used to always hangout) so it is what it just I was Just sharing this for the sub
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We’re making designer babies straight from the lab here on out
SickOfIt518 5y ago
Here's your advice.
Cut off all communications with this waste of a human.
TrenGod37 5y ago
I wasn’t looking for advice just sharing a case of AWALT
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821sleepingbag 5y ago
Don't get it twisted son this is a case of AWALT, all women are capable of this behaviour given the right circumstances.
Thats why you never settle down with a chick who hasn't ridden the CC because she will at some point, the question is do you want to be the one cheated on?
mishasam89 5y ago
lol, would you want to settle down with one who has??
821sleepingbag 5y ago
AWALT all women will want to and if they get the opportunity will ride the CC
GreatWhiteCuck 5y ago
You settle with none of them.
Hyper_Sonik 5y ago
Making up for missing out. That's what my ex baby mamma is doing right now. She went out and bought a stripper pole.
CapnPoot 5y ago
Damn. What a waste of a liver.
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TRPDigesting 5y ago
That part really blows my mind — you'd think if you were lucky enough to have a liver transplant, you wouldn't be out testing it by getting wasted in Iowa.
The liver works hard to keep all this shit together..
chazthundergut 5y ago
This only upsets you because you idealize women.
Take pussy off the pedestal.
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cumfortably_dumb 5y ago
This reminds me of my situation. Glad that I found TRP. On my way to a better self.
After a couple of years of relationship. Fucked her ex in the same week, who cheated on her before I met her.
AWALT man AWALT.
420KUSHBUSH 5y ago
I remember the days when I used to read stories similar to these and react by being repulsed and surprised rather than the indifference I have now. Back when I thought times were simpler. I miss those days
InsulinDaddy 5y ago
Can't find your first post, did it get deleted ?
TrenGod37 5y ago
No it’s there. 24 days ago. It won’t let me link it
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EasternEuropeanLatin 5y ago
I believe we can see AWALT as a concept which stretches the female individuals on a spectrum, with one end being those that simply lose attraction to their husband due to various reasons (he's a lazy ass, he doesn't do shit with his life and so on) and would just simply leave him on peaceful terms to find herself another prospect afterwards. At the other end of it there are these women which make a mess of a situation while branch-swinging (much like this Lori) -fucking men on the side, cheating, lying, general indecisiveness when she reaches a point when she herself has no clue what the fuck she's doing any longer. The first A in AWALT exists for a reason and its importance must be understood by all the people in here: branch-swinging is as real as it gets and it manifests itself in every woman's behavior, to a smaller or larger degree. The magnitude at which it manifests is solely dependent on each woman: the more messed up they are themselves the more of a shit show they'll make and the more likely they are to switch partners in a given period. TRP stresses for a reason on the importance of screening women heavily before considering anything more serious than a FWB relationship. A sane woman who knows she got a great deal from her relationship with her man is not that likely to slip up, while some women could have the most ripped, rich and machiavellian husband and would jump on their fitness instructor on their second training session. You stated she turned down a lot of guys and she seemed pretty loyal. Well, that's what you saw, who's to say she wasn't fucking other dudes before this situation arose? I highly doubt she wasn't, not often a woman with a very strong level of commitment would create that much of a mess (although when I talk commitment, apart from a very few cases of some of my friends and their relationship, I can't think of anything else but the older days of our grandparents, modern days are becoming less and less of an environment in which relationships can flourish and last- mind I said ''are becoming'' -and not ''have become'', like it happened in the West- because I live in the eastern part of Europe in which the prospect of relationships is somehow still well regarded, but no one knows how long that is going to last, West has taken a toll already on women here, too, it's a matter of time before everything will totally change). All Women Are Like That while some are just bad people.
TrenGod37 5y ago
This is the stuff I was looking forward to reading about this. (Minus your lack of ability to use the enter button.)
Everything you said I agree with. And it’s funny how you add the Eastern Europe part in there. My LTR is from Poland and of all the many women I have been with and screened. she’s the only woman that has made it to becoming someone I wanted to actually date.
Of course AWALT exist, but she is the most loyal and LTR worthy chick I have ever dated. And being with tons of American women. And then dating a girl from Eastern Europe there is something extremely different about it. I’m actually curious to read a post talking more about this because it’s always something I realized but never knew why these type of women seem to be more LTR worthy compared to others.
EasternEuropeanLatin 5y ago
As far as this type of girls is concerned, it mostly comes down to their upbringing. It all depends on what her parents teach her, in what she sees in their relationship as she grows up and how her future expectations are created based on that. A girl which comes from two parents having a healthy and long lasting relationship will see both parts in action that contribute to making that relationship last. She won't have a biased point of view and she will realize there a part for women to fulfill in a relationship and as such she herself will strive for that when the time comes.
It also helps that this process doesn't limit just to her parents, sometimes grandparents and culture plays a large role too. Take my grandmother for instance, I swear she never ever in my life asked me whether I'm going to marry or not, she always assumed I am: 'Oh, boy, I just hope I'll make it long enough to attend your wedding and eventually see your kid(s).' Can't speak for every family but as far as my friends and acquaintances are concerned, it is all the same.
Thus, you get to see that marriage is expected and encouraged, and such an environment tends to have an impact on women's way of thinking and behavior towards relationships with men, in a positive way. But then again, this is all part of her initial education which can eventually be thrown out the window, given the proper circumstances (i.e. a good looking girl moves from a remote village to a large city, it's a classic case where she will totally change, ,most of the time for the worse, given she stays long enough). But, in the case of some of the eastern European girls, family is a relatively strong indicator of what her core beliefs are, especially her father. If you ever ask her about her father and she tells you great things, anything but only: 'I love him 'cause he bought me everything I ever needed.' then it's a flag you can be certain it's damn green.
Lastly, I want to stress that everything I've said so far is meant to answer your question alone as to why these women make for good relationship partners and nothing more. The hopes of finding women that are LTR material, that are aware of their part and purpose in a relationship is certainly much higher the more you head East than in the Occident, however that is not to say such a type of woman makes up the majority of the female population in my country or any eastern country for that matter. As for the rest of women not fitting this type the situation is the same as is with any other woman whose story crossed the doorstep of TRP. AWALT
sezamus 5y ago
Polish guy here.
Be aware. Polish girls have a little bit different AF/BB approach. They find a good prospecting beta, he is so happy, he proposes, they are engaged/married and then she looks for an Alpha for a seed.
This is very tricky, because you meet a girl and she seems to be a trad-con, she has sex with you after the commitment being established, but in the end AWALT.
Married/engaged women in Poland hit on me, not the other way around. The single ones are very defensive on the other hand, and tend to mate with betas to look for an alpha later on. It was counterintuitive for me, but it is just a different tactic giving plausible deniability ("I am married! I couldn't do that! How dare you suspecting me?!") and reputation ("Oh! Look! She's married to that GoodProspectingBeta.™").
TrenGod37 5y ago
It’s also funny you say this. When I first met her I want full on beta. I liked her so much. I did cringe beta shit I never did with any other women. We dated and I hated the way the relationship was going. She wore the pants. Didn’t respect me. Etc. I hated it..I hated it so much that I left.
I found the red pill. Read. Put it to practice. And later reconnected with her. This time when we got together I immediately established boundaries and ran the relationship. Things have been great ever since. So I don’t think you’re wrong in your assessment. I actually can see it from my experience. But I think I gave her the best of both worlds and that’s why it worked so well
sezamus 5y ago
Yeah, probably. Polish girls are very LTR oriented so they even use tinder as an dating app.
tikitheman 5y ago
Idk man it sounds like normal awalt to me. The husband is probably billy beta she isn't going to give that up unless chad is going to commit. Chads not going to commit and is probably fucking other chicks so she "cheats lol" on chad with chads brother. Now she sad because chad doesn't give a fuck and she got nexted.
FearGarbhArMait 5y ago
AWALT should be used in a technical term. Not as anything else. A lot of the time it used like in your example to just label a disgusting women. Not all women are terrible this is why we vet, vet and vet.
AWALT is just an idea. All / Never statements do not exists as there are always exceptions.
AWALT primarily refers to hypergamy. You could also apply general RP concepts.
Examples; "Women hate weak men AWALT" "Women can't make decisions AWALT"
INFJCarnivoreKate 5y ago
men still statistically cheat more than women. so are AMALT, too?
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