Mike Trout is considered to be the best baseball player on the planet these days. He has a batting average at the time I write this of .332. That means he is only succeeding 1/3 of the time. 2/3 of the time, he is failing at his job.
I segway this analogy to gaming women. No matter how much your game is on point, no matter how much you lift and improve your SMV, no matter how well you dress and work on your appearance, no matter how solid you hold frame, no matter what you do, there are some girls that it just isn't going to work with and they just aren't going to be into you.
This came as a shock to me at first. I remember when I first came to TRP, read everything, went into monk mode for a few months and thought when I got out there, TRP would guarantee me success. And I got out there. I still failed. The difference being my success rate was better than pre-TRP, but there were still failures and I didn't get it. It came as a shock. I thought TRP would guarantee success.
Wrong. It only improves your odds.
I'm now 4+ years into my TRP journey and this past Saturday I got stood up. 25 year old cute blonde HB8. Got her number, shot the shit with her a bit, then escalated. We made plans last Thursday to meet up Saturday night. I didn't talk to her at all until Saturday a few hours before our planned meet up. I text her a confirmation text and she left it on "Sent", didn't even open it or read it. At the time I type this its still on "Sent". I went to the bar anyway(always do this, always do what you planned on doing) just incase she showed and she was having phone problems or something. Doesn't show. It's not like I'm an ugly guy with low SMV either. I consider myself to be a Top 10% male at worse. I'm a local on air talent for a TV station I work for so I am a local celeb with status and have done modeling work on the side.
So what did I do? Pulled out my phone and told one of the other options I had to get to the bar and come drink with me, and she did. (Always have a Plan B). Pre-TRP I would have heavily mentally invested in her before even meeting, then moped, wallowed, wondered why she straight up ghosted me and stood me up, blown up her phone asking why, and so on. Post TRP I was outcome independent and just moved on and went with my next option. Note that outcome independent doesn't mean you won't feel disappointment. Absolutely I was disappointed. But I didn't let it get to me.
Conclusion: Don't be naive and come to TRP thinking it is a cheat code that will guarantee you success with women. That will just lead to frustration and disappointment. Instead just realize it tilts the odds more in your favor and be prepared to fail. You'll become immune to this shit after a while.
FOODYUMONION 5y ago
People may disagree but when starting TRP try and get HB5 or 6s as plates to start spinning, maybe a 4 or 3 if you really need. Then build from there
syn1us 5y ago
I recently got a girl's number after dancing with her and kissing her in a nightclub. She was all over me that night and I barely had to run game in order to seduce her. I texted her 5 days ago for the first time and she agreed to come over to watch a movie (we both knew where that would lead to). She was supposed to come yesterday so I sent her a text to confirm the exact time. She ghosted me and therefore flaked.
Guess what?
1 year ago this would have destroyed my self-esteem. Yesterday, like you, I was disappointed, but I texted my favourite cougar and I went to her place instead. Abundance is key.
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This is the real red pill, a man that moves through the world towards the things he desires without destruction.
Ieatlinner 5y ago
This. Back in the day it used to fuck me up. One plate I had got back with her ex and I was slightly disappointed but I could just feel the difference in my frame and attitude. Was just kinda like “typical” and didn’t even dwell on it.
I also won’t be surprised when she hits me up in a few weeks or months after they “break up” again.
studentsensei 5y ago
Yea there's literally zero reasons anyone should take a woman flaking or ghosting them personally. Generally their ASD goes into hyperdrive and they just don't go through with it. It's a sign of immaturity though to just choose not to say anything but then again how many young women (and people) are mature?
I've been on both sides of it and completely ghosted people I had a good rapport with simply because I didn't want to go through with it all or an easier/better option came up. And I speak as a guy that dated other guys too. A lot of female/feminine behaviors are second nature to me honestly.
Makes me want to make a post about what's it like to date a guy but idk how much RP knows or cares about guys dating other guys.
dokoya 5y ago
I'm actually very curious about this POV and it's dynamics. It need not be a post, it could just be a comment even on this thread.
studentsensei 5y ago
I started to comment but I had a lot to say so I made a post instead. You should check it out!
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
Couldn't have said it better myself.
You can waste time thinking about why she flaked, where you went wrong, etc. but its not worth it. Girls don't make sense. They are not logical. Their actions don't make sense. It happens. Move on.
I've noticed flakes are more common from venues like bars, clubs, Tinder, etc. but the girl who stood me up I met her at a fucking library. I complimented her choice in books and we got into a conversation about the author.
anabolic92 5y ago
Issue is some of us can't build abundance.
Being TRP aware helps me not going after her like a dog whenever I have the luck (please don't come up with you are the prize mentality) to get some female to pay attention to me.
To some, even following TRP religiously will still lead poor, or almost non existent results.
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mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
What I've learned from women over the years is that they live in the moment. Whatever they are feeling right now, is how they believe they've always felt. Which explains why a girl will be totally into you one day, and then do a 180 and want nothing to do with you the next. Women are much more prone to wild mood and mental changes than men are. Men are more stable and their moods/mentality changes over a longer period of time.
I know I said its not worth mulling over, but I am certain library girl ditched me because a better(in her mind), more available male option was more appealing. When you get a hard ghost like I did, that's usually the case. Once you're not her top option, you are basically invisible and her care level about you is less than zero.
I wish there was a way to filter out scores based on what subreddits the users voting on you are active in. I bet I have negative scores amongst users also active in MGTOW.
juiceboxguy85 5y ago
This is exactly right. I have learned to get it as fast as possible. If I match a girl on Tinder and we talk I set up a meeting for the next day. Last week I took a couple hours off of work to bang a 20yo I met the day before (I'm 52 yo). There is no way that would have happened if I hadn't taken her that quickly. If you snooze you loose. That's for plating.
Now if it is more of a date with a respectable woman, always Friday or Saturday night. Never make a weekday date, kills the romance for her. For first date I mean.
dokoya 5y ago
This reminds me of the Light Switch Effect that /u/redpillschool talked about once
This helps me integrate an experience similar to yours recently. I was looking fwd to meeting her and banging her, but I certainly won't be calling or trying to set up another date like my BP self. I just made other plans and enjoyed them nonetheless.
Sometimes I find that even the hormonal monthly cycle has an impact, I know a girl post wall and still fine, who was a plate that broke cuz she wanted me to "shit or get off the pot" and I told her I wasn't going to get serious. She is always initiating contact around her ovulation, then after she's "suddenly" realizes that I'm not the guy who will commit and goes back to not having sex and being serious till she finds someone "serious". I understand this, I don't mind, it sorta works for me
Ghyslain333 5y ago
Women usually seek Chad around their ovulation then they default back to BB.
Ipride362 5y ago
At my brother's wedding, I summed it up nicely: "I was looking for something that doesn't exist, so I quit looking."
You miss all the shots you didn't take. - Wayne Gretzky - Michael Scott.
gains_o_clock 5y ago
yo not to be an idiot or anything but is it possible that text never went through? on iMessage it should say Delivered and then Read after she reads it if she has read receipts turned on. Sent might mean it never got to her phone.
Really good post though thanks for the insight and congrats on the EC status bro.
UncleChido 5y ago
I thought of this as well. It seems like it was an SMS.
jeromeantoinecarter 5y ago
And that only means he gets to first 1/3rd of the time, likely only scores 1/10th of those times.
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Not to nitpick but he also walks a fuck ton so he gets to first more like 47% of the time. Which is crazy when you think about it.
washington_breadstix 5y ago
segue*
Segway is a brand name for a two-wheeled scooter.
Veretox 5y ago
Fuck, maybe you are right, but segway sounds much much cooler.
washington_breadstix 5y ago
It's still pronounced "seg-way" in both cases. It's just spelled ''segue'' when you mean an actual transition in conversation.
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SlyGradient 5y ago
By consensus of the Mod team, /u/mallardcove, and in light of your contributions to the sub over the past year, you are hereby endorsed. Wield it responsibly.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
I appreciate it.
Entropy-7 5y ago
But seriously, this is junior grade understanding of TRP.
SlyGradient 5y ago
He wasn't endorsed for this post in particular, but the cumulative contributions over time. He just happened to post this one around the same time we decided to make the endorsement.
Entropy-7 5y ago
So you say.
I am very Groucho Marx on this but I would be pleased if you could make a stronger case.
Halitenina 5y ago
We don't publicly share our criteria for endorsement.
ReallyCongestedNose 5y ago
Is there a difference between criteria for endorsement, and criteria for being pointed?
[deleted] 5y ago
Don’t even need to read the body of this one. The title seems pretty self evident. Not sure what the point is. Does anyone really think they’ll get laid just because they swallow the pill?
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For me now it’s more of a defense against wasting time,resources ,energy etc...
RivenHalf 5y ago
This exactly. The greatest ability the Red Pill has given me is the ability to walk away.
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Yeah, the ability to not take shit regarding women so seriously
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FeralRed 5y ago
TRP increases your odds of fucking women, not woman.
ntvirtue 5y ago
^^^^^^This !!! If you ditch oneitis and tunnel vision this problem goes away entirely.
Thotwrecker 5y ago
The more alpha you become, the more comfortable you are being polarizing and offensive, and you also learn to take quick risks right off the bat. You value your time, you don't have time for the safe route. For me, I like the cards to be on the table quick - she knows damn well if she wants to fuck or not, I'm going to find out as cheaply and efficiently as possible.
TRP will help you be louder, more aggressive, more comfortable, more direct. You'll have a higher SMV and generate attraction, and you'll push for closes the same night, you'll not waste time. People will dislike you, some girls will think you're a shithead.
This is how it is, you don't ever get widespread female approval, at least not without being a celebrity. You just get more attraction out of more women more consistently, and you stop needing their approval, so you are freed up to behave in a relaxed, confident manner. This is it, that's really the pinnacle of chaddom.
This is why at least 90% of the overall life benefits TRP can give you lay outside of women. Extending your life and health by following a fitness, mobility, and diet regimen. Coming into your own power in the corporate rat race and learning how to find your passion, figure out an escape strategy or a climbing strategy, and actually make a meaningful, prosperous career. Finding real ambition. Developing social skills. Etc. The real value in Red Pill, the real "guarantee" here is outside of women.
Geckobird 5y ago
This final paragraph needs to be added to the sidebar.
ntvirtue 5y ago
The successful hunter does not run around looking for game......they pick a good spot and let the game come to them.
Vlagos 5y ago
If you meet her again in the library how will you act ?
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
I've already said if she reaches out I will ghost her myself. The way she is acting is disrespectful and shouldn't be rewarded. If I see her in person it will be the same.
ISaidThatOnPurpose 5y ago
It barely even does that.
More than anything it protects you from your own weaknesses that will put you into harmful situations
MericanBlue 5y ago
Good post but you did a bad job lining your date up.
Simple coordination with her prior to the time you planned to meet (ex: text the day before, text the morning of, etc.) would have achieved the result.
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juiceboxguy85 5y ago
Turned out the chick I was flirting with for 2 years had the herps. I found out while we were watching TV and herpes came up and I said something about that being a deal breaker for me and she got a terrible sad look on her face and I was like "ding, ding, ding!" She was always a big flirt with me, she wanted it and I couldn't close the deal and didn't understand why. Sometimes it isn't you, it really is her. She couldn't say yes and was too embarrased to tell me why.
Youngyoda89 5y ago
Can you make a post on this one Heath?
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
This is how it went down with library girl. Had things succeeded, I probably would have written a field report manual on how to game a girl from a cold approach start to finish, it was that on point. Which is why I was stunned, but not stunned, at the same time. She's a girl. Girls do things that don't make sense.
Most of the time its these 2. Almost certain here with library girl it was her pining after GigaChad. Despite her leaving me on "Sent", she was definitely active on SnapChat that night posting to her story partying it up with random dudes at bars she was at. Based on her ghosting me, and the fact that she was with a different guy in all her snaps, one can conclude from the context that she was trying to get some guy's attention on SnapChat and that guy wasn't me. I probably dodged a bullet. She seemed like a cute innocent girl at the library but was the complete opposite in her snapchat stories. Showing signs of aging at 25 years old, in her last year or two before hitting the wall, probably views this as her last go-round on the carousel. AWALT.
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Its likely not that conscious for her, more like a feeling in the back of her mind driving her forward.
theoracleofbromaha 5y ago
As all things in life approach things in gradients. TRP will edge you towards more success by default.
You know what the default is? Failure, literally straight up failure. The average man is a fat slob, doesn’t game and straight conditioned to be a pussy.
Simply understanding basic concepts of TRP will give you a plethora of positive references that you will see success. After newbie gains, just like working out, you WILL plateau. This is to be expected. Did you think life was easy? No it’s not and if you want to fuck the hot blonde bitches better step up your game to the next echelon of SMV. But most of all enjoy the process and stay committed boys.
strikethrough123 5y ago
The game isn't about approaching one girl and taking her home, it's about getting rejected nine times and taking the tenth one home. That's why it's a game.
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For me now it’s more of a defense against wasting time,resources ,energy etc...
banthrow 5y ago
Sorry but how ugly or unemployed a girl have to be that you can call her and she will come to a bar on the spot?
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
You have a lot to learn.
She was already out with friends. I simply hit her up and told her to come join me, and she did.
1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v 5y ago
When you don't have oneitis, you can have a bunch of girls that you flirt with and tease with, and can call on when needed. And they'll come...
When you are not needy or possessive, and are instead, a fun and outgoing guy, with a fun plan for a night out... they will come.
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mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 5y ago
This is why you never burn bridges with girls.
The girl I hit up to come drink with me. She's cute. 22 years old. HB7. Time will tell if she is worth elevating above plate status where she is right now for me. She's not fat by any means, but could have a smoking body with her slightly taller frame if she lost 10-15 pounds. Anyway, she is a member of what I call my bullpen. None of the girls in my bullpen are my top options, but I call on them when I need them, whether I need someone to keep me company, or to hang out with when I am bored, or to fuck.
banthrow 5y ago
I guess that if you are a local celebrity and she's a 7, hell yes, she will come at command wherever you want.
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He's modeling and a local celeb. So not neceserally
The_Chiselnator 5y ago
Who cares what employment she has. I mean there is only one job my dick cares about that she can do.
As for ugly etc...all women are insecure including that HB10. Just the right dose of IDGAF and she is eating from your hand.
I see you joined 2 weeks ago. Are you here to learn or are you here to continue the snarkification of your life that has failed you so terribly?
banthrow 5y ago
Both. Also this is a throw account, obviously. I've been here for years.