This article is for anyone who is looking for greater success in overcoming carbohydrate dependency. With such access to a variety of refined carbohydrates, we’re easily enticed into over-consuming them.
If this guy can cut carbs then you can too. Look, what I'm recommending isn't some advanced idea. You already know that you'd be better off cutting the crap that has you enslaved. So make the commitment and actually see your abs, lean out our face, enhance mental cognition and control insulin. Hell, if you're struggling enough and this guide doesn't do the trick you can even PM me.
The 3 methods are;
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Altering the Habit Loop
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Experimenting with Sweeteners
- Preparing Ahead
Why?
Carbohydrates in small infrequent quantities are perfectly ok but in our current society multiple factors have lead us to become a culture that is simply hooked. Even fruit isn’t innocent anymore because it has been selectively bred to be the sweetest it possibly can and we’re able to easily provide ourselves with access to it through agriculture, regardless of the season. Grains and syrups are slipped into every product because of how cheap and available they are. The production of ketones as a result of very minimal carbs (under 20grams per day) demonstrates to us that we’ve adapted to survive periods of time with very few carbs, if any at all. Our preagricultural ancestors likely consumed carbohydrates infrequently and intermittently. Low carb and high fat is completely safe.
Let’s consider a day of eating that most people don’t look twice at. You have cereal for breakfast, sandwiches for lunch and pasta for dinner. In this day you will be consuming around 300g of carbs and that doesn’t included additional snacks, fruits, sauces, etc. It’s very easy to go overboard on carbs with popular, convenient meal options.
Who?
The information in this article is useful for those wishing to lose weight. It’s much easier to over-consume sugar than it is to over-consume fat. If you get this aspect of your diet right, the rest will come along easily. Those who are having trouble sticking to a ketogenic diet will also benefit for similar reasons. The cravings on keto are challenging and any help with that is going to assist you with goal attainment. Additionally there are countless anecdotes on the internet for health improvements regarding auto-immune issues, epilepsy, inflammation and diabetes.
How?
Altering the Habit Loop
Charles Duhigg outlines in his book “The Power of Habit” that most of our actions come from a habit loop consisting of three elements, CUE>ROUTINE>REWARD. We tend to do most things automatically to reduce decision making throughout the day. Many of these loops are necessary to automate mundane tasks such as brushing our teeth. However, companies are more than aware of such a mechanism and have actively used it to sell more products. Overweight people are over-consumers and their habit loop has been hijacked.
A common example of habit might be the following; Craving for specific food (Cue) > Driving to the store and making the purchase (Routine) > Consuming the specific food (Reward). The cue is what initiates the loop and that cue manifests as a feeling, sensation or craving. Our mind will go on autopilot until we’ve completed the loop. It’s incredibly difficult to consistently fight the habit you’ve developed every time your urge occurs. This is why so many people fail diet-related endeavors.
To change the habit we need to change the behaviour, the routine. The cue and reward are so built in that they cannot be removed. What can change however is what you do once the cue presents itself. It needs to be something that is stimulating and releases a good feeling in your brain. It’s something you have to do each time the cue occurs. You are replacing the behaviour which alters the habit.
So each time you feel a craving for carbs you could replace it with cooking and eating a steak. This way you’ve changed the behaviour while the loop still plays out. You’ve turned the loop into Craving>Cooking>Eating. Over time the new habit loop becomes automated and is no longer ruining your goal. It’s the same habit loop with a new behaviour.
Experimenting with Sweeteners
Avoiding substitute foods such as sugar free chocolate and diet soda is useful because including them only delays your cravings rather than allowing you to reduce them. Over time your palette will adjusts and cravings will subside naturally. Otherwise you are keeping yourself in a state where you’re tempted to eat sweet things constantly while your brain never actually gets the fix of sugar. It’s a good idea to reduce your dependency rather than reinforce it.
On the other hand it might be what it takes for you to succeed on a carb-less lifestyle. You have the ability to eat more like others and blend into social situations better. You can take care of an urge while still having consumed few carbs. You will be decreasing the likelihood of eating the real thing and therefor sticking to your goal.
Whether you should use sweetener or not is dependent on what you define as your goal. People have success with and without the substitutes. To try both, start by eliminating carbohydrates and using substitute sweeteners for 30 days. Slowly decrease your use of sweeteners until the 30th day and from there continue without.
Preparing Ahead
Remain satiated throughout the day with high fat foods. A high fat meal will fill you up in a smaller quantity and leave you feeling full for longer. Always have the right foods on hand ready to eat and cook at a moments notice if you feel a craving for carbs. Your preparation will greatly impact your success.
Plan your meals in advance and remove any consumables from your home that would ruin your goal. Planning ahead what you’re going to eat in any situation will be essential. If you’re eating out, look up the menu online or call them before you arrive. If you’re staying away from home make sure you can get access to the things you need. Consider taking your own food, what the closest supermarket stocks, what time it closes, the cooking facilities you will have access to, etc. Improvisation will be necessary at times, accept this.
Cravings for specific carbohydrates will diminish over time. The cravings will come back but will be less frequent. In reality, this is a challenge and requires significant will to succeed.
I’m not completely against carbohydrates and I believe the macronutrient is beneficial when implemented strategically. I take issue with the overconsumption enabled by cravings. We’re acting based on impulse rather than selecting foods for optimal health. I believe that this is ultimately leading to the diet-related health issues we see today.
EDIT: This article explains how the sugar industry turned everyone away from fat and onto sugar in the 60s. Thanks to u/BlackCraneStoic for sharing it.
Pienpunching 5y ago
You neglect to mention the point of this post. Why reduce carbs?
warthundersfw 5y ago
The easy way to lose weight is to fuck a girl you really want to fuck. I dropped 15 pounds and had more energy than an infinity stone to work out on top of it when I found a “lock eyes from across the room” chick
BlackCraneStoic 5y ago
OP when you read this be sure to include it in your article for the community's benefit. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat
progressionoverload 5y ago
Good article. Thanks, I included it in my post.
BlackCraneStoic 5y ago
Some people try to excuse those scientists by claiming that they weren't a part of a grand conspiracy but rather that they were so biased in their findings they were unwilling to look at conflicting evidence to draw accurate conclusions.
Whether their motives were from greed or ego these bastards are largely responsible for the rising obesity, diabetes, and heart disease epidemics laying siege to the West projected to hit peak proportions come 2020! It's important for people to be aware of this lest they become a byproduct of this unknowingly.
Big business and the Government couldn't care less about the health of general citizens so we have to become accountable for our own health and dietary intake with accurate personal research and information.
progressionoverload 5y ago
People will discredit it to justify their lifestyle. What's blatantly obvious is that the government allows cigarettes and it's not the only legal thing we shouldn't participate in. There are isles in supermarkets dedicated to overpowering will and destroying health.
You sound like my kind of person, who are you?
BlackCraneStoic 5y ago
Just a guy who sees things for what they are instead of a glossy farce in front of a red velvet curtain. Life is no Wizard of Oz but these control systems are influencng many to think so.
Intivel 5y ago
Try to keep your daily sugar intake to less than 27g and make them come from natural sources like fruits, honey or the small amount in various nutritious food.
Pycius 5y ago
Without going keto, is there a suggested 'amount' of carbs that is recommended? I see so many macro ratios, quantities etc thrown about, how do I know what will work best for me without trying every option?
I'm skinnyfat but close to 1/2/3/4, with lower body fat I would have a small-athletic build - ie. bigger than otter, smaller than athlete. Having moved onto a 14-hour IF schedule and one meal of carbs a day, I've been getting a bit leaner, but struggling to get down to abs leanness.
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Keto works for me because I fucking hate insulin crashes and food coma. Now, I am on low body fat, weight and do not need it, but see keto just as a tool and only that. I also pracitce sometimes long fasts ( 2-3 days ) so there is that. When I am keto I just feel a lot more calm and in control. It also forces you to cook your own meals and leads to greater discipline. When I am lazy and relapse to eating shit I just start doing drugs and get a lot more lazy. On one hand there is no sugar mania and high energy, but on the other I am lot more calm and collected.
RavelsBolero 5y ago
I wouldn't suggest sweeteners really. Stop eating sweet things (sugary or sweetened) and your sweet tooth will disappear. You will find you aren't bothered about sugary stuff any more. Don't eat tons of rice/pasta everyday either. Most carbs I get are from fruit or rice, which is at least gluten free, but I don't eat rice every day either.
I love chicken and fish.
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Douche_On_Mandick 5y ago
Hey definitely don’t give nutritional information when you’re dead ass wrong. In what fucking world would fruit be bad. Getting fat on fruit. Listen to how stupid that sounds.
progressionoverload 5y ago
Shattered world views are always painful bro, give it time and it will heal.
Douche_On_Mandick 5y ago
In what? That people like you are sheep that believe the paleo/keto bullshit?
progressionoverload 5y ago
Doesn't work at all.
https://imgur.com/a/pjtOzMd
Cmdrj-nice 5y ago
Or you can just fast and activate ketosis that way
BostonPillParty 5y ago
Great post were talking about Keto, without approaching it from a dietary angle (solely at least).
Everyone is different, but since I started keto and keeping my carbs around 20 g a day, I have an able to reduce my way from 180 pounds to 158 pounds… I’ve lowered my body fat percentage by 10%.
And one mental benefit I have, as I am less inclined to binge eat, I don’t really crave or miss sugar, breads, or junk food shit even when it is easily accessible.
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otherworlds 5y ago
Tried going full keto but my love of milk made it too hard so I’ve been doing a very low carb diet for 3 months now. I’ve been trying to exercise more but haven’t made too much significant progress with that.
A little graphic but I noticed my sexual energy has increased, and my erections have been way stronger and lasting longer.
Is there any correlation?
progressionoverload 5y ago
Potentially. Before were you having large spikes in energy form the sugar then crashing?
judethedude 5y ago
Keto life. Walking around with single digit body fat just never gets old.
progressionoverload 5y ago
Show off that jaw-line.
kareemgoat69giggity 5y ago
Can you bulk effectively on keto
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It's all in the cheese mate. Also bacon, eggs, cooking with butter, etc.
judethedude 5y ago
Personally haven’t tried it, probably possible since fats are calorie dense.
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Sad_Lone_Wolf_ 5y ago
What are your go to foods/snacks?
zeaustin 5y ago
Since I started keto, I don't even get the urge to eat snacks.. I'll even skip dinner sometimes because I'm so full from my lunch.
Sad_Lone_Wolf_ 5y ago
I’m trying to put on muscle, not lose weight. Is this not the plan for me?
zeaustin 5y ago
I still gain muscle because I’m lifting heavy and consistently. My bulking belly fat is going away, other than that I am exactly just as strong.
judethedude 5y ago
Almonds and peanuts. Have to be a little careful though since they have some carbs. That or eggs and cheese with butter. I’m not great at snacks lol.
Sad_Lone_Wolf_ 5y ago
Lots of chicken I’d assume for full Meals? Been doing as much keto as I can. Avocados are good too.
You have any others you like?
superyute 5y ago
extremely dark (95%+) chocolate does well to stave hunger off for a good bit
judethedude 5y ago
Personally I prefer regular ground beef. But if I’m going chicken I go with bone-in thighs. I also will throw some of my bacon fat in with whichever meat I’m slow cooking.
5JS1XBG64A 5y ago
Fuck man, almonds are like crack to me. They're just so damn good.
AwkwardEmpath 5y ago
I feel that way about cashews.
5JS1XBG64A 5y ago
Yep, almonds and cashews do it for me.
Ferocious245 5y ago
This is good advice for fat people. For skinny guys who want to bulk up, eat carbs. Just avoid refined carbs. Complex carbs are your best friend. Healthy carbs boys. Eat em up and thank me later. Stick to your macros.
Hjalmbere 5y ago
Stopped with sugars and sweeteners ages ago. Not an effort since I don’t have a sweet tooth. My weakness is potato chips, but as long as I don’t have them at home I’m ok.
radicalizedIncel 5y ago
"This guy" was on gear. And he died of a drug overdose in a Bangkok whorehouse. He's an example of what not to do and what not to be.
MalditoDiegol 5y ago
You don't build a body like that cutting carbs!
Scuzzin 5y ago
"We're all gonna make it bruh"
Lionlocker 5y ago
Cutting at a daily 1000 calorie deficit is ridiculously easy now that I eat keto. Been at it 10 days now and the cravings are nothing. Used to eat potato chips like a lardass every day but not anymore. For some reason I'm also hard to kick out of Ketosis for some reason.
This shit works like a charm.
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Ben_Eszes 5y ago
No shit. He is saying that a 1000 calorie deficit is easier (mentally) when on Keto.
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Ben_Eszes 5y ago
There ain't much else to read. He said that a 1000 calorie deficit is easy on keto, and you had to interject with information that didn't contribute in any way. "3 days late" doesn't mean that I can't comment. I just don't want you to be one of those CICO purists. There's a lot more to the dieting game than just calories. The dude likes keto and it works for him, so your original comment is actually false with regards to him.
Lionlocker 5y ago
Seeing as willpower is a depleting resource, not having to use as much of it to mitigate hunger actually does make it work more efficiently.
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Lionlocker 5y ago
You have a point. It will depend on how tough it is for the individual to give up their carbs.
xeroblaze0 5y ago
I appreciate going through this thread calling out the misinformation and finding you've beat me to most of them.
I don't know how good you are at words but maybe write up an article on what a balanced diet looks like, and talking about the benefit of actually changing the lifestyle of how you eat vs hopping on the next pseudoscience fad diet. Treating the cause and not the symptom of being fat.
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xeroblaze0 5y ago
That's fair. I see more about lifting than eating but the point's the same.
I agree, but I also think that in just pointing them in the right direction they'd see the new sub as just a wall of text and lacks the context from this sub, particularly loses the connection to whoever suggested it. Like an author on a talk show saying "read my book, it's in the book" vs ACTUALLY talking about the book.
colorado300 5y ago
Think of processed sugar as a just legal way of slowly killing people. Plus it is highly addictive like a drug. Don't laugh It feeds many diseases, inflammation, cancers, fat, obesity arthritis , diabetes, heart disease , low quality life . ect , ect. This is probably the hardest thing for me to in me to give up in my eating / snacking routines. About a month after I quit consuming processed sugars , joint pain , arthritis in my body disappeared.
3 months later I dropped about 30 lbs. Daily exercise a must . I only crave clean foods not garbage. High fructose syrup is bad too , Cut that garbage too. There is big pharma , big oil , big tobacco..... No one calls out " Big Food "
blacklightsleaze 5y ago
Drinking half a litter of cola + cup of coffee after completely stopping them for months fells like fat line of speed. Its really like a drug.
BlackCraneStoic 5y ago
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat
Just as Coca Cola used cocaine to addict people to their product Mosanto along with Coke and Pepsico just shifted to sugar and high fructose corn syrup. From one white powder to the next to debilitate the public one meal at a time.
Ultimately Mosanto is in bed with the Government. Their goal is to kill off the "average" citizen before they can retire and collect social security so it all goes back to them. Greed is at the heart of all of this. Stay informed to stay protected.
BlackCraneStoic 5y ago
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat
Just as Coca Cola used cocaine to addict people to their product Mosanto along with Coke and Pepsico just shifted to sugar and high fructose corn syrup. From one white powder to the next to debilitate the public one meal at a time.
Ultimately Mosanto is in bed with the Government. Their goal is to kill off the "average" citizen before they can retire and collect social security so it all goes back to them. Greed is at the heart of all of this. Stay informed to stay protected.
BlackCraneStoic 5y ago
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat
Just as Coca Cola used cocaine to addict people to their product Mosanto along with Coke and Pepsico just shifted to sugar and high fructose corn syrup. From one white powder to the next to debilitate the public one meal at a time.
Ultimately Mosanto is in bed with the Government. Their goal is to kill off the "average" citizen before they can retire and collect social security so it all goes back to them. Greed is at the heart of all of this. Stay informed to stay protected.
progressionoverload 5y ago
It's amazing how it's overlooked. It's the supply and demand that allows sugar to be so readily available. No difference here compared to tobacco sales, with overwhelming evidence for it's negative impact on health it's still legal.
xRedStaRx 5y ago
Sugar does no such thing. It's what the media tells you
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SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 5y ago
I cut out major added sugar products like soda/candy about two years ago. But on occasion when I do indulge, they are AMAZING.
comcain 5y ago
Soda tastes like sugar syrup/glue. I dropped most sugar years ago out of necessity but glad I did.
redHussar 5y ago
Sugar is not addictive. There is no science evidence that sugar itself is addictive. Tastefull food is f.e Salted peanut buttet.
Also most junk food and sweets are full of fat and then sugar. In this order.
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pabz_is_keww 5y ago
100% agree. Supplementing with some C8 MCT oil is super helpful combating the urge to eat carbs... I cycle so I can have some beers on the weekend.
iSwallowedTRP 5y ago
Love this post. I completely agree. I’ve done a Keto diet and am now onto carnivore. One thing to be aware of that I didn’t see you mention is is Keto flu!
Your body is use to digesting carbs so there are enzymes in your gut that are waiting for sugar (it’s addictive). When you stop intaking sugar, these enzymes go crazy looking for it.
I don’t know all the science behind it, but, essentially, your body becomes very low in magnesium, potassium, sodium and calcium. The combination of these puts your body in a weak state and you feel like you have the flu.
Drink chicken broth and eat avocados to get past this introductory phase.
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ApwoperMuser 5y ago
Not just USA. I'm from Macedonia (Eastern Europe), I lived 3 months in Germany and noticed every food was sweet. Every bread was sweet to me, even fucking packed cabbage salad was sweet. WTF. No wonder 50% of the people I saw on the streets were overweight. Me myself gained 9 kg in 3 months staying there.
SYDWAD 5y ago
HOW BOUT NEOOOOW
I love mah sugar even if i'm addicted to it, i'm a cook and without it all deserts taste like absolute trash.
I say just invest in genetic engineering and make us able to properly process it and not die from it. Genetic engineering is the best m8.
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progressionoverload 5y ago
Forever 'mirin.
Staunch_Moderate 5y ago
I love seeing overlap in subreddits.
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liberty1127 5y ago
Processed sugar is not great. Carbs from whole food sources are perfectly fine as long as you are lifting. Im carb cycling 350 to 500g a day right now and I'm pretty ripped.
I would much rather eat an excess amount of carbs if I'm in a surplus than fat for the insulin response...
I just had my bloodwork done and I am in perfect health.
_Cryptonaire_ 5y ago
Stay the fuck away from artificial sweeteners lads. You are better off taking sugar than eating Aspartame.
Aspartame = CANCER Aspartame = denied 62 times by the FDA for human consumption
Diet Soda is the most Beta thing you can drink. Man the fuck up and drink water.
EscortSportage 5y ago
Ive been a big fan of zero to low sugar for a while now, its harder than most people think. Why? Because when i say dont eat sugar (dont consumer sugar) people think oh i wont add sugar to my oatmeal,cereal,coffee anymore and there done "zero sugar"
guy,
That cereal you are eating, its processed food, loaded with sugar and preservatives, its SHIT.
Glass of bourbon = sugar beer = sugar pizza = sugar Bread, rolls, bagel, list more carbs = your body turns it into sugar
people i know and meet have no idea wtf their consuming and thats insane to me, a friend and i have both agreed,
think, if we are back in the forest hunter/gatherer if you cant pick it from a tree, the ground, or hunt and kill it you probably shouldnt be eating it. Processed food is EVERY where in America, and gents processed food is linked to PROSTATE cancer.
surfingjesus 5y ago
hahahahah
U-94 5y ago
I need to rage with alcohol on the weekends, on vacations, etc. Other than that though, it's all chicken and veggies minus the odd cheat here and there. I agree though that processed sugars are meant to addict the public, keep them lazy and also dull human intuition.
Chaddeus_Rex 5y ago
Wait, but if you want to gain weight, isnt it better for a skinny guy to eat carbs and reach his calorie macros?
Shayu0 5y ago
To be honest me personally I can't do keto I just can't. I work best with a complex carbs and 50ish grams of fat a day plus protein. If I do keto I just feel bleh. Tried it for 3 weeks.
jimbad07 5y ago
Same, but I think cutting out sugar is the most important thing. Keto takes it a little too far IMO. Complex carbs aren't that bad, and I just can't get behind avoiding vegetables due to their carbs.
Tie5o11 5y ago
Ive done keto a few times. You have to be careful with your 'electrolytes', aka magnesium, sodium, zinc. Apparently your body drains those quickly, so you need to aggressively resupply. Also, its easy to go on an overly acidic diet if you go overboard with the meat. You need to be sure to alkalize. There are a probably other things to worry about but those two I think tripped me up in the past.
ilacknitrous 5y ago
it's called Keto Flu. Magnesium/potassium/ and 'gatorade' (litesalt and sport mio) helped me through keto flu and lose 40 lbs in 6 months.
JoeDiallo 5y ago
Thanks OP for writing this up. I found incredible value in this.
progressionoverload 5y ago
You're welcome bro, all the best.
Gfurst 5y ago
how is this an issue?
eg, carbs are not that big a problem, stuffing your face in sweets are, and worst than that, most "sweets" actually come with a lot of fats included...
DaBrokenMeta 5y ago
Goals. Goals. Fucking goals
Aesthetik_1 5y ago
Anyone struggling with sugar cravings look into supplementing with the mineral chromium. It kills sugar cravings and apparently helps with insulin sensitivity and reverses onset of diabetic problems
Cairnsian 5y ago
It'll prevent you from rusting too.
dontbethatguynow 5y ago
um so don't eat fruit?
J-coor 5y ago
And in 70 years from now someone will realize "dang, we need carbs and grain! Ppl get colon cancer without!"
Keto is fine just don't overdo it. Don't into the other trap with keto; just like we did in the 50s with fat being the enemy and carbs your true friend.
Self-honest 5y ago
Just finished a 3-day bone broth fast to kick start ketosis. Once the switch flipped, the mental clarity and lack of hunger while only taking in around 200 calories a day is astounding. Though I can't live on 40g of protein and 2000mg of sodium a day forever.
I'm looking forward to some chicken and veggies tomorrow. That's my craving after not eating for a few days, delicious eggs and bacon. Fuck sugar.
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"I have aesthetic physique! You mirin bro!" -Zyzz RIP
RedPlanetMan 5y ago
I try and eat as little sugar/carbs as possible but my fam is always bringing me cake, cookies, etc, making the diet as tough as possible. I eventually end up munching out and eating most of it and going up BF%.
Edit: Ultimately, the responsibility lays with me.
dowild 5y ago
Your edit said it best. I've been building a lean physique for several years now and people (especially family) constantly try to make me eat cake etc. at family gatherings and such. It's weird - it's almost like they feel bad about their bad eating habits when they see someone being able to sustain a healthy lifestyle. Oh, did i mention most of my (extended) family is overweight? I guess you can see it as a challenge, to not give into the temptations even though people give you an excuse to indulge. To be honest, most people even end up admiring you for your strength.
ArtieKaye 5y ago
I don't really deny myself anything, I just make sure I put in the effort to work it off and balance it out with healthy food
Kyogata 5y ago
Example simple daily regime:
Breakfast. Tea with soya milk or almond milk. An egg, maybe a small amount of fish. The fish will stave off hunger till lunch, no problem.
Lunch. Two chicken thighs, some broccoli and salad. Avoid carrots and sweet peppers. No salad dressing, mayo or sauces at all. Use salt and pepper to perk up the taste.
During the day drink plenty of water, tea or coffee (with soya or almond milk etc.). Avoid all dairy products and all packaged or processed foods. Walk or cycle to work or college. When I walk to work I sometimes carry a dumbell to exercise my arms while walking. Saves going to the gym. Lift weights at home. Do yoga for overall health and a sense of well-being. Learn how to meditate and do it daily. Stop watching TV and read books. Drink a pint of water around 10pm and go to bed at 11. Sleep till 7. Get up. Rinse, repeat with some variations. Don't eat sugar, ever, or wheat products, rice, potato or other root vegetables, or substitutes for these. Use ketostix to test your level of ketosis.
I lost 32kg (70lbs) in about 6 months doing this. Looking good, and the ladies have been smiling in my direction ... no problems getting laid. They also love to hear about my diet and comment how much they admire a man who is working hard to improve himself.
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A related idea is that sugar intake causes insulin spikes which lead to fat gain. If you're constantly eating sugar and refined carbs, your insulin stays elevated and you keep adding fat without ever burning it. That's why keto, intermittent fasting, and OMAD all work so well... they provide extended periods of low circulating insulin
progressionoverload 5y ago
People who disagree with this will have never tried it. Good to see someone who thinks for themselves.
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progressionoverload 5y ago
So there's a lack of evidence but there are anecdotes. r / keto is so filled with progress pic it's annoying. All those anecdotes point to one thing, that it works.
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progressionoverload 5y ago
The fact that there isn't a diet sub dedicated to cutting fat for weight loss.
excent 5y ago
If "this guy" can cut carbs, you mean the God himself?
Rian_Stone 5y ago
Didn't he die at 22?
bicboi52 5y ago
Yea he cut out carbs then died of a heart attack from using steroids.
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steroids do not give a 22 year old a heart attack, too much speed will put you into cardiac arrest.
room_303 5y ago
Took roids, was a facebook/BB drama queen, died in a few years.
Cesare_MA 5y ago
Smh put some respek on Zyzz’s name brah
ForcefedRedpill 5y ago
Those aesthetics....
I'm mirin
keytoimmortality 5y ago
I loved reading these comments on a TRP thread, so unexpected
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He is going to be remembered by tons of people.
room_303 5y ago
Who cares about that when you're dead? Or for dying of a heart attack when you represent the fitness world.
Roids are dumb.
trulytrulyisay 5y ago
Steroids didn’t cause his heart problems, he had a pinhole in his heart that was exacerbated by steroid use.
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daxxipro 5y ago
it's good to see a stance from someone who has actually taken them. Most people (including these comments) have only the mainstream opinion formed about something they know very little about.
NOT to say, they cant be dangerous, as you've described with the brahs. However, in moderate doses and if you actually know your shit - theyre perfectly beneficial.
omega_dawg93 5y ago
been messing with roids since the mid-80s... cycling deca, test, d-bol, anavar and some that aren't available anymore.
you say, "20 solid pounds in 12 weeks?" i say, "total bullshit" unless you're some genetically gifted freak.
tnegaeR 5y ago
No it’s not, my first cycle I put on 25lbs of lean mass in 16weeks.
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warhawk109 5y ago
Not to doubt you. Typical gains from a 15 week cycle is going to be about 15 lbs LBM. 1 lb a week lbm gains is normal. Now, that’s just LBM, you can still gain fat, and you gain a shit ton of water. I did my first cycle and went from 187 to 237 at my heaviest. As soon as I transitioned to a cut, I dropped 11 lbs in two days, which I attribute to water, and that probably wasn’t the last of it.
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warhawk109 5y ago
If you start a blast from very lean (sub 15%), fat will distribute more evenly.
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I am not the one who downvoted you. I agree with you but it is still better to be remember and admired by tons of people than being remember by just your family and friends,he left a "legacy" behind because he motivated people to change their lives.
empatheticapathetic 5y ago
If your life goal is external validation sure.
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what the fuck is going on in this place when people with points are taking snipes at Zyzz, the literal physical embodiment of TRP.
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Cesare_MA 5y ago
I never expected to see blasphemy against the patron saint of bodybuilding either.
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daxxipro 5y ago
Most bodybuilders start their career with being insecure with themselves, so you're not technically wrong. Usually, as their confidence grows with their body their mindset also changes as well - which is what the TRP preaches.
-not confident? go lift
-you're getting bigger. confidence levels rise
Not to say that bodybuilders really do care what other people think and may have body dysphoria. But in a way they have to. Based on how people judge them (literal judges) is how they move up in their career so it makes sense and is an ultimate double edged sword.
Agreed with your Zyzz statement completely. He was the ultimate metrosexual male. Sure he got laid and was attractive but was an ultimate fag though.
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It is not just about external validation,although of course EVERY HUMAN BEING IN THE WORLD (you are a liar if you say you don't want it) WANTS TO BE ADMIRED AND APPRECIATED FOR WHAT HE DOES,NO MATTER WHAT HE IS OR DOES. You can be a scientist,you want to be admired for what you are or for your achievements on your field. You can be an actor,you want to be admired for your "talent" and skills. Everybody wants that.
But it is not about just external validation,it is about making a positive impact on people's lives. He changed people's lives. He made agoraphobic fat weak cheetos-eating soda-drinking nerds into men with great bodies and a lot of confidence.
room_303 5y ago
There is no basis for this, that's like saying Arnold and Hulk Hogan did the same thing for all the couch potatos of the 70's. Zyzz just happened to be there at the time Facebook was new and BB misc made him a meme.
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Arnold was genetically gifted and used to lift from a very young age. Zyzz was a skinny awkward kiddo who got buff and slayed every hole in his way,he was an example for virgins all over the world that you can work on yourself and change your life. It doesn't matter if he used drugs and died,it only matters that he changed people's lives and he is going to be remember for too many years to come,when most of us who are alive now will be long forgotten. He died a lion instead of living as a sheep.
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room_303 5y ago
He was a clown - videoed with all his brah's drugged out his mind at music festivals being fully sick posing and posturing for photo's, no one knows if he even banged many of the girls, once again the magic of social media, most of them just saw him as another accessory to their Solipsism.
empatheticapathetic 5y ago
It’s easy when it’s someone else’s life to give up. Would you make the same sacrifice knowing you’d have the same outcome? (Early death but inspiring skinny guys to become ripped?). I very much doubt it. And that was my entire point.
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Let's agree to disagree. You believe that living as many years as possible is the biggest goal of life,even if your life is pointless. I believe that the meaning of life is for you to achieve something,give a positive impact on this world,achieve things and if you do so you are going to be immortal on people's hearts. Zyzz lived his life to the maximum and he inspirted people to change their lives,it is was not just about becoming ripped,it was about becoming a better person. His life,although short,had much more meaning than those who die of old age and regret everything,and you know at first hand as someone who browses incel subbredits.
empatheticapathetic 5y ago
That’s nice but you didn’t answer my question though.
hdosnxbjdjeb 5y ago
It stopped eating all sugar overnight. Idk how.
The looks my friends give me are priceless. I’m 17, so people look at me like I’m crazy when I tell them what my diet is.
I stopped a few months ago and I have no cravings now. I’ve completely overridden taste. I don’t crave any junk food. All I want is something to satisfy the hunger.
When you see people around you unable to stop eating sugar and it’s effortless for you, you feel amazing.
Sugar gets easier the more you go col turkey. There’s physical, mental, and emotional benefits.
Gl guys!
satanicpriest13 5y ago
When I started lifting 5 years ago, I genuinely didn't enjoy dirty food a few months in. I quit my myself and never craved it. Every weekend or so if do a binge on all the regular junk and feel horrible afterwards. Now my diet is 100% clean, and it's thanks to lifting. I just can't enjoy cake or sugar anymore.
jerseyboyc137 5y ago
Same! I find myself craving good healthy foods now that I don't eat as much sugar. My body wants what is good for it. I also drink a lot of water.
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360NoSnooper 5y ago
Same for me, I can't believe I have put sugar in tea and coffe. What a taste they had after I stopped! How many different tastes! I have to say I never had problem with eating sweets and sugar, I don't even like them. Chocolate? No thank you.
crqze7 5y ago
I cannot agree with this more. I stopped 9 months ago as well and the looks are priceless. It has been one of the best descicions I have ever made.
blaubarschboy 5y ago
if you just want to satisfy your hunger feeling you could also try soylent in case you missed out on that so far.
Kurush559 5y ago
How did you feel in the first few days/weeks after going cold Turkey? I drastically reduced my carb intake from around 300g/day to 50g/day, which has worked great. But I haven't found that my taste for sweet things has gone. I still crave them a few times a week, but usually stay away anyway.
LordKroc 5y ago
My thoughts exactly, the cold turkey route makes me feel absolutely horrible, even if I do supplement with good cards.
progressionoverload 5y ago
Sounds like you're winning.
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progressionoverload 5y ago
Very limited intake. They're natural but not easily accessible without agriculture.
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Nocryingok 5y ago
Take oatmeal with milk (it's still very caloric tho)... I don't know how to translate the recipe, but here in my country we call it "mingau de aveia". You put them together in a pan, heat it and mix until it's very thick. Then add some cinnamon (the fatties add sugar to the recipe too but it's pretty good without it).
also have you tried not eating in the morning ? :D
reciprocatingeagerly 5y ago
Try some fruits like blueberries or a sliced banana. I eat my oats with these + yoghurt but it works with a classic oatmeal as well.
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facelessbastard 5y ago
Raw natural oatmeal is amazing! I have every morning. Just use a milk replacement, with zero sugar, and you're good.
WhoresOnAHorse 5y ago
no reason to cut those small amounts of honey. It‘s actually very healthy and good for t-levels. just don‘t go overboard.
pabz_is_keww 5y ago
I'd cut out the oatmeal as well. Eggs, bacon and greens if you are going to eat... if not just coffee/butter/MCT oil. My wife did this with me and she lost 20 lbs that she wasn't even trying to lose (and is very happy about it). I do it as well but I can't really lose anymore fat because I'm very low already.
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Nocryingok 5y ago
Hadn't seen this (that you wanna gain weight). So my milk+oatmeal recipe will be great for you! It's also a balanced meal macronutrients-wise (milk is protein+fat, oats contain carbs and fiber)
Skyhawk_And_Skyhead 5y ago
Honestly it depends on a few things. How much syrup/honey is it? do you eat sugars during the rest of the day? are you or have you been a sugar addict?
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rocknrollchuck 5y ago
If it's working for you, then you're ok. If it causes cravings, then that's something that needs to be addressed. Sounds like you're experiencing success, and that's what counts! What success looks like is different for everyone.
Douche_On_Mandick 5y ago
293—>230lbs. High carb, fruit, CICO. Checkmate? Keto works in a body weight scenario because it’s calories in calories out. Health wise, different story.
https://imgur.com/Qws1DLC
progressionoverload 5y ago
I never had fat to lose but I lowered my % by going keto. You won't get shredded eating high carb. Health is a different topic and people choose what they want to believe, it tends to be based on belief.
Your original contention was about me saying fruit makes people fat. The only thing I said about fruit was that it has been bred specifically to be sweeter. As a result the average person is consuming more sugar.
progressionoverload 5y ago
Also, mirin bro keep up the good work. Do what works for you.
Douche_On_Mandick 5y ago
While I’m not shredded yet it’s definitely still happening. If you want an example of someone that gets shredded on higher carbs check out Alberto Nunez. Anyways, fruit is fine because it contains fiber as well, controlling the insulin spike that then causes the crash which makes you hungry again. But thanks man! Cheers!
Stron2g 5y ago
The problem is not necessarily carbs, but rather simple carbs especially sugar/corn syrup/sweeteners.
You could easily put a fat person on a carbohydrate rich vegetable diet with zero sugars and they'd lose weight like nothing.
TheBigForklift 5y ago
I stopped adding sugar to stuff a few weeks ago starting with the morning coffee. Also replaced shitty snacks with fruits. I actually sleep a lot better and don’t wake up feeling like I got hit by a truck needing that “fix.” Crazy how addicted the mind can get.
RAHfan 5y ago
I did this in October and by January I went from 220 to 180 and I'm staying around 175 now. I also found out that eating lots of carbs gives you a sort of brain fog; I am so clear headed now. If you have access to Netflix, watch The Magic Pill. Carbs and sugar are pure poison!
progressionoverload 5y ago
I'm Australian, The Magic Pill is legit.
redpillcad 5y ago
It's so much easier to cut down and not eliminate sugar. Have a cheat meal or 2 per week. Also skip a few meals. InstaAbs
jimbad07 5y ago
If you need to... otherwise don't.
I used to binge Saturday night to Sunday night, and undid a lot of progress every time. Even if I wasn't feeling a craving for anything in particular, I did it anyway because that was my habit.
Eat clean as often as possible.. everyday if you can. That way, when you want to go out for drinks or have an occasional donut, it's no problem. But I wouldn't recommend having a scheduled cheat day.
progressionoverload 5y ago
It really is the sheer quantity that's holding people back.
Kalidane 5y ago
You mean calories? Yes, that's true.
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ITT: People misunderstanding simple bodily functions and contributing just eating less calories = "keto, intermittent fasting, whatever fad diet totally worked for me!"
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xeroblaze0 5y ago
This
There's a lot of misinformation going on in this thread. Ultimately thermodynamics wins.
What OP is bringing up but not addressing is eating sugar and carbs in moderation. Almost anything is fine in moderation. OP's target audience isn't for those people, but people looking for a hard right in change of direction; they're fat and want to change, a 2-3 cookies less per day won't change that until it does.
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Eat plants, and some meat, and chill
Teestyfly 5y ago
Suggestion to those who who have failed keto or are too intimidated: Try whole30. Google it. It's a similar approach that allows some fruit and you're not counting carbs.
If all you eat are carb based things right now, you'll have a much higher percentage chance of success than trying keto straight away. Keto works, but it's ridiculously difficult to stick to, expensive, and eating out is damn near impossible unless you have the time to sit down somewhere.
progressionoverload 5y ago
100% agreement. Diets are challenging and have a high fail rate. Trying something less restrictive first is a good move.
Oxspit 5y ago
I want to add that going cold-turkey on any behavior is a good way of having the behavior increase in the long run. Diminish unhealthy behaviors and replace with healthy ones slowly and escalating.
If you drink coke around 8 times a day.. go ahead and make that your limit the first day (no more than 8 glasses), then you go down to 7, and then to 6, to 5, and so on... and what do you do with those three or 4 that you are leaving behind? you change them for some other rewarding behavior and stick to it...
When the shift starts happening, you will increase the rate of change until you successfully changed it all.. if you try to go all-in on change, then something called spontaneous recovery will happen; that makes you fall into the bad habit again after a while, but since you have been deprived of the reinforcers (rewards) that were associated, you will binge-feed your reward, and that might be your new status quo (in my prev. example, you might binge drink 11 glasses of coke, and then this is your new baseline, making your solution further away than before you began)...
Go slowly, and reward you accordingly for each goal completed (this is how videogames make players addicted.. just go watch WoW or League of Legends reward systems). Get small goals that lead to a huge goal with appropriate rewards, and progress slowly...
Do it all at once and you will be worse in a few weeks (unless you are the master of discipline... but chances are that if you have a habit problem, you are not, like 99.9% of people)
BurnoutRS 5y ago
I cut out all refined sugar as of about a year and a half ago. I have never had an easier time cutting bodyfat, ive never found it so easy to eat healthy and stick with it.
You become accustomed to a certain level of sweetness in your food if you eat that way regularly. The higher that level of sweetness, the more and more your less sugary, healthy alternatives begin to drop off into the flavorless abyss.
I eat a small handful of berries when I want desert. Shitbis bursting with flavor. I tried eating sugar again and my pallet flipped back. took me another period of abstinence before my berries started tasting really good again
Cerealpizza 5y ago
And what if you're trying to gain hard? How the fuck can I eat 4kcal a day with no carbs. I get not drinking soda and not eating candy bars but what's wrong with brown rice or pasta with 2 meals a day
white_girl_lover 5y ago
Fr, i cant imagine doing 5x5 without having carbs to fuel those high intensity workouts.
progressionoverload 5y ago
Then eat those foods.
BuddhistSC 5y ago
Carbs = no ketogenesis. I'm not on a keto diet because it's a lot of effort and I don't see the point, as an already low body fat individual.
Just avoid fructose and alcohol so you don't get fatty liver disease.
If you're trying to lose weight, keto is supposed to be extremely effective.
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P4_Brotagonist 5y ago
That's true, but it also helped me not feel like dog shit. Eating carbs I always feel tired and my joints hurt. Giving that up I have even energy and actually want to exercise.
awesume 5y ago
When I tried Keto, I got so disgusted with the food I had to eat. No appetite whatsoever. No wonder people lose weight. To this day I want to puke just imagining a piece of pork belly. That just does not feel healthy.
architectofself 5y ago
Refined carbs are the problem. You gotta eat clean carbs like oats, sweet potatoes, beans, etc.
BlackCraneStoic 5y ago
Thr body processes refined carbs the same as it does sugar you you are indeed correct.
BlackCraneStoic 5y ago
Thr body processes refined carbs the same as it does sugar you you are indeed correct.
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Stron2g 5y ago
Cooked vegetables are the kings when it comes to quality carbohydrates.
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The difference between some oats and eggs with bacon vs a hot pocket is all in your head. Oats are still high glycemic carbs just like rice and white bread. Sugar is half fructose and half glucose and honey is not much different. Quantity and proper macros are what matter not where they come from...but hey if it makes you feel better to eat oatmeal vs a piece of toast more power to you.
I would say avoid fructose and alcohol and eat whatever else in proper proportions. Make sure to get choline in the diet for fatty liver or betaine.
Damascus_ari 5y ago
Yep. Everyone keeps going on about how it's the insulin, and insulin spikes, but that's likely only a symptom of some underlying condition.
My bet is on NAFLD and some mechanism leading to insulin resistance.
I eat (sugar free) bread, salted potato chips, rice, and copious amounts of carbs just fine. I just watch the fructose- and since food manufacturers are enamored with glucose/fructose combos, that handily cuts out the vast majority of bad stuff.
NAFLD- Non alcoholic fatty liver disease.
surfingjesus 5y ago
Nothing. This is fun police bullshit. If it makes me suffer, then it must be good. That's the theme of many posts in this sub.
Do-it-for-you 5y ago
Literally no one here has give us any benefits to a low carb diet. OP explained why cutting SUGAR is beneficial, but no one, not even OP, explained why cutting carbs is beneficial.
RedPilledGodEmperor 5y ago
It makes no sense. I eat pasta and rice dishes with meats (chicken, pork, sausage, ground beef, steak) and veggies. I happen to be in great shape. The key is having a nice balance, so that you don't go completely insane. I do stay away from sugary drinks like soda. Not just is that bad for your health, but also really bad for your teeth.
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surfingjesus 5y ago
Sugar is fine when you get it from fruits. Why the hell would you "cut back" on something your brain literally needs to function properly? Just stop eating prepackaged crap. Or are you one of these people
AwkwardEmpath 5y ago
So if I make a fruit smoothie everyday (1/2 cup of pineapple chunks, 1/2 cup of blueberries, 1 banana, orange juice with pulp and kale) and drink it through out my work day (9-6) is that gonna hinder me losing weight? Looking for opinions on this.
surfingjesus 5y ago
Might get expensive over time but no.
DanielQuiles 5y ago
Easy. Fat provides 9 calories per gram while carbs provide 4. You can eat less fat while consuming more calories so don't buy into this hard gainer bullshit. Calories in vs calories out.
liberty1127 5y ago
If you are eating in a caloric surplus and overeat more fat than carbs, you have a much greater chance of those calories being stored in adipose tissue as opposed to muscle because of the anabolic insulin response.
plaudite_cives 5y ago
that's funny you're talking about bullshit, because this is gross oversimplification. Many of these things depend on other factors like gut bacteria - e.g. https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2015/02/04/Woman-becomes-obese-after-fecal-transplant-from-overweight-donor/1581423067944/ Also according to at least of some Keto proponents will fat make you satiated faster and thus actually helping to lose weight
jimbad07 5y ago
"Don't spend more than you earn" is also a gross oversimplification. There are credit cards and loans and good debt and bad debt. It doesn't make the advice any less solid.
It's Reddit. People here are looking for brevity, not a multi-chapter book. Know your audience.
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AwkwardEmpath 5y ago
Any tips to restoring guy bacteria? I know my gut microbiome is a mess and I'm trying to restore it slowly eating at least a yogurt a day.
stillah 5y ago
fat is the most calorie-dense macronutrient, over twice as much as carbs. needing carbs to bulk is a really, really stupid myth.
use extra olive oil to cook your meats, veggies, eggs, etc. throw coconut oil in your protein shakes. snack on a cup of nuts throughout the day. so easy to hit 4k.
VirginPlaya 5y ago
I think the main idea for eating carbs is to get energy to train.
Cuz even if you cut carbs to 0, muscle glycogen is still needed.
Fats are good energy source when you are not being athletic though.
stillah 5y ago
unless you're a professional athelete, you don't have to worry about that. this exact thing is talked about here on joe rogan's podcast with a keto nutritionist.
Timthetiny 5y ago
Keto nutritionist wouldn't happen to be biased or selling anything would they?
stillah 5y ago
i believe the only thing he advertised on that podcast is a free ebook.
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BottleCap-SnackTrap 5y ago
Thank you. OP was making my brain run rampant when he tried to explain why Carbs needs to be cut out of a diet. Carbs are for body fuel and water retention potential on bulking (don't quote me on that potential part, that's just my mindset. Shit it might be a wrong mindset but it is what it is).
DistinguishedSwine 5y ago
I immediately came to the comments to find the reasonable commenters after his first sentence suggested elimination of carbohydrates.
goriladevainilla 5y ago
Exactly. Every pro fighter will tell you that carbs are necessary to finction at a high level. Which is contrary to what people like Joe Rogan preaches. Now don't take that as me saying eat all the twinkies you want, but things like rice, beans, quinoa, etc are fine. I can't wait until this keto fad phases out.
Nocryingok 5y ago
I agree that some carbs are fine but also believe you should get some variety instead of wheat/rice all day every day. There are many other sources of carbs: potatoes, sweet potatoes, pumpkin, yam, beetroot, beans and quinoa(as you said).
vandaalen 5y ago
Most fighters don't know shit about proper nutrition.
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RealMikeHawk 5y ago
Keto is great for morbidly obese people who don't know how to diet. It makes calories in/calories out much easier since they feel much more full on fewer calories. Anybody who is serious about fitness, though, will need the carbs to work at full capacity. As somebody who was very overweight a year ago, the Keto diet did wonders. But now, I'm back to a normal macro split and still am losing weight/gaining muscle.
vandaalen 5y ago
Fucking horseshit. You need to refill muscle glycogen and that's it.
Timthetiny 5y ago
Which is about 400g.
So cut it in half. 200g a day. Glad you agree.
RealMikeHawk 5y ago
And where do you get glycogen?
Pilliam66 5y ago
People like you and me need to remember that 99% of diet advice out there is for fat overweight slobs. Keep eating carbs if you're trying to gain hard
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Pilliam66 5y ago
Obviously... I'm talking about people that AREN'T fat overweight slobs
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Martel_732_Tours 5y ago
Most diseases are related to free fatty acids, ie high fat diets. The longest lived populations in the world subsist on high carb diets. Carbs are need for healthy thyroid levels. Excess fat is stored as fat. Excess carbs are primarily stored as glycogen in muscles and organs. Carbs and protein require de novo lipogenesis in order to be converted to adipose tissue. Without adequate liver glycogen (carb/sugar) stored, cortisol and adrenaline are released. Over time = adrenal fatigue and HPTA disruption. One of the primary fuels for the testicles to function is fructose (fruit sugar). Higher fats, especially poly unsaturated fats, are estrogenic. Carbs are androgenic/anabolic. Carbs are most efficient fuel for ATP. Don't take this from me though. Read a biology text book rather than following fad diet gurus.
Once the body is broken down due to excess stress hormones will it become apparent the detrimental effects of a diet.
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xeroblaze0 5y ago
This.
I replied further up the chain but there's a lot of misinformation going on in this thread.
OhhDatDogOMine 5y ago
Keto is the current "trendy" and "hip" diet. It works for fat loss but is unnecessary and is sub-optimal healthwise.
Carbs are not the devil, fruits and vegetables are packed with nutrients (a lot of micro-nutrients) that are not available in a keto diet.
Keto is great for fast weight loss because you lose a lot of water weight the first week or so, but what people really want to lose is fat and that takes time and a calorie deficit. It can work good psychologically for some people because they see the number on the scale going down and get encouraged. It also helps people who eat a lot of chocolate, soft drinks, and other junk like doughnuts.
Body composition is not everything though. If you care about your health than a paleo diet is optimal.
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jimbad07 5y ago
Chicken breast alone sucks. That's why people bread or fry it, or cover it in sugar (BBQ sauce) etc. The healthiest way to eat chicken breast is in soup IMO.
Chicken drumsticks and chicken thighs are a much better choice most of the time. They're full of juicy fat so they don't taste like a chew toy for your dog, and they're still pretty low calorie. Even a deep fried chicken drumstick from KFC is only like 160 calories, so a plain one would be even less.
progressionoverload 5y ago
That's virtually what I would recommend. Substitute most of the carbs for more meat. Don't go with food like chicken breast. Eat fatty cuts of meat and high fat ground beef. That will keep you full and won't store as fat the same as the excess sugar does.
liberty1127 5y ago
I recommend eating red meat, but substituting red meat for carbs is ridiculous. Count your macros. If you want type 2 diabetes keep eating a high saturated fat diet.
High saturates fat diets lead to insulin resistance...bye bye gains
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Ben_Eszes 5y ago
Drink a lot of water. Have some natural peanut butter. Or eat a bigger dinner with more fats and some complex carbs to keep you full.
ilacknitrous 5y ago
Diet rootbeer and heavy whipping cream. Drink lots of water until the hunger is gone.
progressionoverload 5y ago
It sounds like you've made a habit of eating something sweet before bed? You should try implement my advice on altering the habit loop. You're best option is probably to consume something at that time, but you'll have to choose something better than a granola bar.
Mudpielol 5y ago
have a cheat day, once a week, and choose your poison. It's very hard to give up carbs all together.
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Mudpielol 5y ago
need no. But the cravings drive me nuts. I love pasta, ice-cream, french fries. Basically all the bad stuff. I found it helpful to have some from time to time, eg once a week, so as not to just go crazy. To each his own.
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Mudpielol 5y ago
I am having them just, like I said, once or twice a week I found was ok for me. I know how to make french fries :D first thing I learned to make. Nothing beats french fries made out of real potatoes for me XD.
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Having low intramuscular glycogen storages is suboptimal for anaerobic athletic performance, and thus muscle gain. Ketones are burned systemically, they circulate your blood and the muscle uses it for fuel when it needs it. Intramuscular glycogen is within the musclefibers, and thus burned much faster and much more effectively than ketones
AwkwardEmpath 5y ago
So if I make a fruit smoothie everyday (1/2 cup of pineapple chunks, 1/2 cup of blueberries, 1 banana, orange juice with pulp and kale) and drink it through out my work day (9-6) is that gonna hinder me losing weight? I might skip the smoothie in my days off. Would appreciate an opinion on this.
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progressionoverload 5y ago
if that's the only source of carbs you're getting then you'd be fine.
RxCubed 5y ago
This isn't very Red Pill, Zyzz was on roids and talked about it regularly. RIP Zyzz
cappadocianhawk 5y ago
Lost a lot of weight with Keto. Still eating very low carb and trying to keep away from the refined sugars.
I do indulge sometimes though, not with candy bars and soft drinks but with good expensive food. Important bit is not to let it get away from you, just keep it to once or twice a week and keep an eye on your macros and micros.
Oh and I don't drink alcohol either. Well, more like I drink once a year because it's a tradition among our friends, but we got down from a few bottles to a glass each so that's nice. Always keep the bigger picture in mind, what you enjoy today might hurt you tomorrow.
Izmir_Stinger 5y ago
I notice a significant drop in energy for strength training if I cut out carbs completely. I think some good carbs (complex carbs) are necessary for optimal training. I do agree with cutting out sugars completely though, it’s just waste your body shouldn’t have to bother managing.
However using Zyzz as an example is a bad idea since he was completely juiced and not everyone’s body can handle gear, including Zyzz who died from a congenital heart failure accelerated by prolonged use of gear.
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Cairnsian 5y ago
I experienced the same thing. Couldn't spend more than 5 minutes lifting on keto.
notthatbigbrother 5y ago
I cut sugar/carbs out of my diet and switched to intermitent fasting. Have lost 60lbs so far. Joe rogan had Gary Taubes on his podcast about a year ago which was a big motivation to start. I HIGHLY recommend the podcast to everyone, whether you are trying to lose weight or not. I had no idea they used sugar as a pain reliever in newborns undergoing circumcision...one of many things learned from watching.
Link to the podcast: https://youtu.be/q0ffswUVoxA
awesume 5y ago
If you really want to lose serious weight and not fuck up your health in the process, go plant-based with no added oils or sugar. It's really difficult to eat a caloric surplus this way, especially working out. And you'll get much more micro-nutrients per calorie from plants and less questionable stuff like trans fats and cholesterol.
If you do your own research on nutrition, you will see that keto is mostly a hype/fad. Long term, it's risky at best, especially if you are planning on eating bacon all day. People listen to Tim Ferris, or whomever his influences are, and think Keto is the magic pill. But don't miss the fact that they mostly maintain ketosis by drinking MCT oil all the time, not gorging on lard. Also, they are still young to have developed serious issues from the diet. And testing their blood regularly.
ntvirtue 5y ago
I switched to a Keto diet about two weeks ago....I dont give a shit about losing weight I did it to manage my Psoriasis....and two weeks in my psoriasis is better than its EVER been since it got bad about 5 years ago......I will be doing this diet for the rest of my life and it will be worth it to keep the psoriasis in check.
doritoesNcoffee 5y ago
Which foods would you say trigger your psoriasis? I have a bit of eczema / seborrheic dermatitis, it's not exactly psoriasis but it seems to be autoimmune related. I have noticed that red wine is probably the hardest trigger for me, as well as any kind of sugar. I've managed to switch to fruits (everyday smoothies) and white wine on the weekends, however, it's still not fully gone. Do you have any suggestions?
ntvirtue 5y ago
Please bear in mind I only have my own personal observations to go on.....So far what seems to trigger the Psoriasis/eczema is SUGAR and CARBS......I am eating less than 5 grams of carbs/sugar per day and my skin is slowly improving every day.
ntvirtue 5y ago
Also remember that fruit is sugar and booze is LOADED with carbs (most booze)
doritoesNcoffee 5y ago
Fair enough, thanks for the reply. I've cut out dairy/wheat/bread, I guess next on the list is fructose and booze.
ntvirtue 5y ago
Not sure if Dairy is the culprit.....I still eat lots of cheese but I make sure it has 0 carbs.
doritoesNcoffee 5y ago
seems like lactose does have some effect on fungus ( which is primarily what seborrheic dermatitis is ), also milk turns into acidic PH in the liver so it is more certainly not beneficial.
I suggest to cut out dairy for 2-4 weeks, see if it has some effect for you. I think I may have seen some correlation between psoriasis and dairty.
plaudite_cives 5y ago
There is no silver bullet in eating, not even keto. If you take time to spend time thinking what you're eating you're probably gonna see results whatever your choice is (unless it's really stupid).
Did you read http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2546975/One-twin-gave-sugar-gave-fat-Their-experiment-change-YOUR-life.html ? There is no simple universal advice (except no-brainers like don't drink soda and don't eat shitty fast food).
avngr 5y ago
This is UNDERRATED advice.
For more info check out joe Rogan and Tim Ferris podcasts with Dr Peter Attia, Dr Dominic D’agostino and Dr Rhonda Patrick. Rhonda patrick has a super in-depth podcast called foundmyfitness which is great as well.
Also check out Charles Poliquin.
leviathan51 5y ago
Cutting season, so no sugar for me. But I like cola. Why not have a zero-cal cola? You people always so condemning and righteous.
progressionoverload 5y ago
You might want to read the part on sweeteners.
Stink-Finger 5y ago
I did this years ago. Cut sugar to ~20 grams a day.
Any Sugar! Including Fruits.
It was harder than quitting smoking but totally worth it. Literally changed my life.
progressionoverload 5y ago
Anyone who says it's easy is lying. Good to hear your success.
Stink-Finger 5y ago
Its hard, baby!
The first few days of cold turkey....I thought I was going to fucking die.
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swordshab 5y ago
Can you cut during a bulk?
progressionoverload 5y ago
unlikely
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