Before I begin, I would like to say that no, this isn't another blackpill "looks > everything" or a Chad worship kind of post. This is a self reflective post as seen from my lens to show you the difference between the treatment I received from people when I was a 110 pound sack of bone and flesh to when I became a 150 pound (I'm 5'7) sack of 10% bodyfat. For those of you wondering, I'm an ectomorph with an abnormally fast metabolism, as I need at least 3500 calories a day to gain any weight. Due to certain life circumstances which I won't be delineating here, and to lack of proper nutrition and gym access, I lost about 15-20 pounds within a month and a half and the changes from how people treated me are astounding.
110 Pounds, 4 years ago
To say the least, I was a virgin and somewhat of an outcast. I would also like to note that my frame at this point in my life was as soft and malleable as dough. This was pre-TRP, as I was still looking for a direction in life and was pretty lost when it came to social interaction. Every comment I had was refuted and ignored, so I figured it's better to stay quiet. The quietness led to me being seen as the antisocial loser with nothing to say, however, this quietness eventually led to development of my frame, and now I only speak when necessary. You can learn so much from staying quiet. I know it seems like I'm rambling and that this has nothing to do with my weight, but it'll tie together eventually. New people I'd meet would crush my hands during handshake and look down upon me, to only make fun of me later. I was called "toothpick" and "skin and bones" among other things. Overall, it was an unpleasant experience. I received no respect. Women would turn away in disgust as if I was committing a crime by looking at them. I had some "friends" that would humour me every now and then only to talk shit behind my back. There was absolutely nothing positive except that I can brag about how much I can eat.
During the Process (120-150), 2 years ago - now
The backlash I faced from peers when I started putting on some muscle was never expected. I've received comments such as "You don't need to lift anymore, you're good now" (when I was still only about 125lbs), "stop being something you're not", "hey you're buff now, come lift this". These were comments from what I considered good friends at the time. In short, they are no longer a part of my life. All the people that had talked shit and made fun of me were trying to keep me beneath them with their bullshit logic. At this point in time and what I've been through, those people do not matter. If you're reading this and you're in a similar situation, the best thing you can do is ignore those feels and unapologetically continue mirin your gains.
140-150 Pounds, a month and a half ago
As my mother used to say, "A body makes for a strong mind" and this couldn't be any closer to the truth than AWALT. As I was developing my body, I was also developing my frame. At this point, I was having sex regularly with 1-2 women a month. When I walked, people moved out of my way. I would still get the occasional shoulder check, but it came to the point where I didn't have to dodge people walking in the opposite direction, they moved themselves. Folks, if you need any type of measurement to whether people perceive you as beneath them, above them, or equals. This is it. There's nothing like parting crowds like a river, especially when you're walking with a female. However, there's also nothing like dodging everyone that walks past you because they'll likely knock you over. Overall, people treated me with respect, as if I had something up my sleeve, as if I knew what I was doing although I didn't know jack shit. People listened when I would speak. People would take my side more often and give in to my frame with ease. The halo effect is real.
Back to 125 Pounds, now
Currently, I'm fluctuating between 125-128. I'm the smallest I've ever been in a year and a half. You remember the things that happened when I was a skinny fuck? Boom, they're happening again. I'm being ignored, my comments are being refuted, less respect, have to dodge people. Unless it concerns them, people don't give a shit what I have to say. I went from "damn bro you're pretty big for your height" to "good thing you're the smallest one here". Reactions from women are less positive as well, but facially I'm much more attractive than I was back then. People would look down and shake their heads when I would make a mistake, instead of laugh it off and admire how I owned up to it. It's not much different from the beginning. However, my frame is much more solid and the shit tests are handled with ease. I've found that the best reaction to shit tests considering my size (from women and from men) when I'm underweight is to pressure flip rather than AA.
Conclusion
Appearance is one of the most important tools in your arsenal. If you look like a bitch, you'll be treated like a bitch.
SKRedPill 6y ago
Damn, I can understand. I was 5'7'' and weighed the same. Couldn't hold my ground at all. Hurt my mind a lot too. I was bullied like hell all the time.
The day I started exercising, I got stuff like "Why are you so body conscious" or "You don't need to be strong to be a man. You think every one is like that" or "If you are doing this because it makes you think you're more of a man, then you're idiotic". From the people closest to me, except the only 2 men (dad and uncle) who knew the truth.
I wonder how the hell you lost 20 lb in less than 2 months. I suspect some illness, but regardless, you need to bulk up again. My suggestion is when you get back to workout to keep your protein intake high. If you're going up to 140 lbs+, you need 80-90g of protein daily. Or else your body might get catabolic and digest it's own muscle.
In the mean time, if you don't get access to a gym, do calisthenics and try pull-ups with monkey bars in the park or even a solid wooden door to avoid losing muscle.
You can also look up this site, it's really useful : http://muscleforlife.com/the-ultimate-bodyweight-workout-routine/
FlexKavanaa 6y ago
youre 5'7 , you make it sound like youre a dwarf
PabloAsscrowbar 6y ago
Looks are not the end-game but it provides you with the supreme advantage.
If you are ugly as hell, you could be smart but women will not even bother much about you.
If you are good-looking, you could talk like the IQ of a 12 year old and women are still somewhat attracted and more forgiving.
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Mr_Badass 6y ago
Alot of times when people improve their looks its takes a while for the mind and self-image to catch up. They may still think they are fat or skinny even if they look radically different. This is called imposter syndrome.
BigMawsmidget 6y ago
The only thing I can add to this it takes your mind a lot longer to catch up with your body. Via weight loss or just changes to Weight in general.
The only ways to speed it along other than time is to buy clothes that fit you, or possibly doing activities you don't normally do. Also having positive reinforcement that you're on the right track. Such as someone telling you that you look good etc.
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When you cant tell if your small or body diamorphia
CQC3 6y ago
I'm pretty cautious not to get too soft in giving people excuses for shit like appearances or disorders.
That being said body dysmorphia is a VERY real thing, it goes both ways.
I've seen guys who are fackin huge and they obsessively think they're not big enough. It's a mental disorder--a problem in perception. Conversely, I've seen tiny ass dudes who get a small bump on their bicep and they think they're huge, meanwhile they're like 120 lbs. Nobody is huge at 120lbs.
I had the same issue for awhile, was skinny fat, wanted to get lean, lost some weight, got wisdom teeth removed, got used to temporary low calorie diet even after recovery and went down to 113 lbs. Was 5'7 and 113, was getting injured all the time, all sorts of red flags...I couldn't see it.
Would do some pushups and stuff and convince myself I had a little muscle going on. GTFO of here. Jumped up to 140 and it was a huge difference with women and I'm still small AF. Small frame though, so a few lbs of muscle looks good on me. Kept on lifting and slowly gaining weight from there and even though I'm not as lean as I'd like to be I'm really starting to understand you have to get bigger before you get leaner. If you're too skinny even a small amount of fat looks bad on you.
_JustASnowFlake_ 6y ago
Any ideas on how to overcome imposter syndrome? Or better yet, how to be aware if one may have it?
PreOrgasmGroanLness 6y ago
Compare facts with your thoughts
LongElm 6y ago
This and journaling. It's like self medication walking yourself through your thoughts. You'll see them as they are and have a better point of view of what's actually going on.
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Ezaar 6y ago
I hope you get swole again man.
Keep the growth up.
SlothOnRoids 6y ago
LOL! Sorry to be an asshole here but there's no way people are moving out of your way at 150 pounds unless you were walking through a kindergarten classroom.
That being said, every man should strive to hold as much LEAN mass as possible and keep your body fat below 12%. BODYFAT IS KEY!
Some of you motherfuckers that are jacked have way too much fat on your frame and think you look good. No. You don't. People might respect you but you're not turning heads with your aesthetics. I myself can balloon up to a diesal 235 pounds. It's awesome if you like being intimidating to other men but terrible if you're trying to increase your own physical attractiveness in general. I notice IOIs shoot the fuck like crazy when I lean down to a ripped 215 or so. KEEPING YOUR FACE LEAN IS HIGHLY IMPORTANT. One last thing, stay away from all things that make your body hold too much water weight. It makes you look puffy this hiding your facial features. This includes too many carbs, processed food, and salt.
EDIT: I almost forgot to add something here. BODY LANGUAGE! Holy fuck. Women are much more perceptive of body language than men will ever hope to be. Even if you look like fucking Tom Brady, if you carry yourself like meek punk, they will pick up on it in the first few seconds of observing you. If you're not putting out that relaxed confident vibe your looks will do jack shit. This might explain why you read all this stories of how guys claim they are so hot etc etc. but can't get their dick wet if ther lives depended on it. Inner self>ALL.
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BobbyPeru 6y ago
Man, I’m 6’1”, 192. BF around 15%. People always move out of my way and listen to what I say. I guess I just always took it for granted, but this makes me appreciate my size / looks. So, thanks for that...
And may you get jacked again
hawkeaglejesus 6y ago
Example of this in action https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvKfSPYN9lw
SpecialSpnk 6y ago
He needs to get a shit load bigger than 150 10% try 175 14%.... This is what I am going towards and I already command respect
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CQC3 6y ago
Probably a scale tbh. You're not huge at 150 but you can have a good outline if you have a small frame, but that ain't gonna part crowds.
He's probably getting a reasonable response because he looks in shape, which feels like parting people vs being an invisible weakling.
If you're treated poorly, then any response which denotes a little respect will come across as big. Ask any formerly fat person who became "normal", it's night and day. Must be unreal to quickly go from being invisible to being VERY visible in those unusual circumstances you hear about from time to time.
wittymore 6y ago
Lifting is about strength and discipline. These are in essence male traits that we don't put to work enough in our modern society. This is why once you start actually putting in the work, you notice changes in all areas of your life.
Strength isn't something that is contained in one field. If you get stronger in the gym, you get stronger everywhere because you're getting used to the struggle, you're getting used to facing pressure and beating it.
Aside from physical domination lifting will grant you, this unspoken building of confidence is what women notice and what attracts them. It also repulses those that do not have it in them to put in the work themselves, because they see something in you they know they should have, but don't.
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Pook made this same point about 15-20 years ago on SoSuave. That was back in the days when the internet was in its beginning stages and the pickup game was setting its roots.
The point is just as true and relevant today as it was back then. There is just about nothing else in life that can raise SMV as simply and efficiently as lifting does for the average man.
It is a universal maxim of masculinity and one of the first steps that every man should take if they want to make a meaningful and lasting change in their life.
It literally was the catalyst that lead to the metamorphosis in my own mind. I started lifting long before I seeked out TRP. Before then, I was very much a leftist and would have likely claimed that this frame of thought was sexist and wrong. It was only after a few months of lifting and some beginner gains that I became ready and willing to listen to what this philosophy has to say.
I have done a complete 180 deg change in nearly every point of view I used to have. Although many of them are politically incorrect and would likely be deemed "hateful" by most people, I have never felt as secure and confident in my life as I do now.
The positive changes in my life that came after I started lifting are vast and continuously flourishing. It has little to do with the additional strength gained in my body or mass and definition in my physique. That is just a small perk that I get to carry with me. The real change came from my frame of mind and that is priceless.
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They say testosterone levels changes your political beliefs, lesa humanitarian and get along to more tribal and competitive and so on
adamska4 6y ago
Parting crowds at a whooping 150 lbs... LMAO what a load of BS.
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Are looks the end all be all? NO
Are looks really damn important? fuck YES
Accept it or reject it, most people judge your entire worth in a fraction of a second just by looking at you. Moreover, science says that first impressions rarely change because your conscious mind picks up what your subconscious mind told you at the start. So if you came off as intelligent in your first impression, then the other person's mind would keep picking up clues from your behavior to justify its stance. Same goes for opposite.
CQC3 6y ago
God it sucks, especially if you want to bang a particular girl you might not have come across well with at first. Just gotta let that shit go.
Way easier to form new impressions with others and gain social momentum vs trying to win over some people who are judging you wrong because of an off day or misunderstanding.
AuspexAO 6y ago
I got to observe this first hand as I went from a fit, ripped college kid who was usually the smartest kid in the room to a post-college fattie. My mind didn't change, my wit and charm with women didn't change. But I went from seeing IOI everywhere I went to getting a lot of laughs and "lets just be friends".
Partially thanks to TRP, I got my body back and became a whole person again. Is appearance everything? Fuck no. However, if some random woman sees me walk into the room and I'm grossly obese, is she going to start asking herself if I'm a smart, clever guy? No. She's going to think, "I don't want to fuck that guy because he won't look good on top of me." A blue pill guy will eventually meet a woman who's willing to commit to a "sweet" guy with resources if he has a brain and can make a buck. A MGTOW man can keep his big man tits and just swear off women in general because they never realized his "greatness."
A Red Pill man needs to understand and accept reality. You're not just your body, but your body is the vanguard of your mind and your personality. It is the battering ram that knocks down the wall to the pussy.
ShinobiKrow 6y ago
I know for a fact that the last part isn't real. My impressions of someone often change from the first impression, and what people think about me also often changes, and that can be seen in the way they talk to me. I don't care about science that goes against what i see with my own eyes on a daily basis.
BigMawsmidget 6y ago
You can't really change first impressions unless you pull a drastic 180. Examples lose weight, gain muscle, gain status etc. If I see you today no matter if I see you 10 months from now or even years if you're nearly the same you were when I first met you I'm going to treat you as such, and I believe most would as well.
ShinobiKrow 6y ago
Can't agree with you because i've experienced otherwise, many times. My last girfriend told me that the first time she saw me she though i was some random stupid kid. She became in love and fascinated with me afterwards. To say i can't change someone's opinion of me through interaction is pure ignorance.
AuspexAO 6y ago
Changing a first impression isn't impossible, but it is brutally hard. You're basically fighting inertia in the form of cognitive dissonance. I like to look at human relationships like a credit report. It's much easier to go from no credit to good credit then from negative credit to good credit.
ShinobiKrow 6y ago
Not true in my experience. It's perfectly possible to change people's initially idea of you. This is a fact. You not having had the opportunity to experience it in your life doesn't change that.
CQC3 6y ago
Impressions can be changed with some people, but they have to be willing to engage you.
For example if you hit on a girl that goes to your gym and you fuck it up and act all awkward and weird, it's going to be very hard to get out of that, and the more you try, the bigger the hole you dig yourself in. This is especially true of younger girls who are not very socially experienced or tactful.
If you keep trying to change someone's mind, they will instinctively resist you just to resist you. They'll ask, why does he care so much?
The instances I've seen of people who changed their minds about someone, they often had a different opportunity to socialize with them--usually on more forced pretenses. For example, I had a friend who didn't come across very well to one of my other friends when they met, but he started working with her at her part time job. This forced interaction made her reevaluate him because she'd be seeing more of him whether she liked it or not and it was best to make things smooth.
They actually ended up hooking up and dating for a bit (not that that's ever a good idea for a friend group...)
ShinobiKrow 6y ago
Regardless of how you approach this, good first impressions can't always be made, for many different reasons. Even if you do look good. Even if you do appear nice. Sometimes there's just something about you that might rub someone the wrong way. You don't have to be doing something obviously wrong to make a bad first impression.
There's also the case of people who really don't look that good, and there's no reason for anyone to be positively impressed by them. Good first impressions aren't for everyone. Being able to conquer people with time is an important skill to a lot of people. You can change first impressions. Doesn't mean you have to. All i'm saying is that yes, you can. Not that you will. But you can. It's very far from possible. Easy? No. But making a good first impression isn't easy either. You either have something very special about yourself or most attractive girls will look at you and feel nothing the first time they see you.
AuspexAO 6y ago
Ha ha, just out of curiosity are you an American? I've read a lot of your posts and although you have a lot of interesting things to say you come of as super tense and hostile. I don't want to assume, though, because it could be a cultural thing.
ShinobiKrow 6y ago
I'm a little hostile because it gets on my nerves to read dumb shit. And to be honest, i just can't relate to most people's views and experiences. My views on women, sexuality and attraction aren't nearly as narrow as we usually see around here. In my lifetime i've encountered a lot more diversity in people than forums like this suggest. It's either a geographic thing or most of those who post around here haven't dealt with enough women, or simply attract the wrong ones.
In fact, most people i see here seem very interested in becoming the type of guy that would exactly attract the worst type of girl. The macho thing, the alpha thing, the lifting thing, the believing AWALT thing...i mean, who do you expect to attract? Shallow, dumb, week minded cunts. That's who you're going to attract. And after dealing with these kind of cunts you will hate women even more.
I'm Portuguese.
AuspexAO 6y ago
I'm glad to meet you my Portuguese friend! I knew a fellow who went by the last name of Coelho from there. You're not wrong about the shortcomings of using just posturing to attract women, and there are a disturbing amount of threads here that focus on hating women instead of enjoying them.
Whenever I read an account about some kiddo discovering TRP and talking about his gains and his new plates, I try not to ask him about the quality of his women. A lot of the guys here are evolving from fat/skinny incels into strong, capable men thanks to TRP. If a guy who's just started improving his mind and body needs to fuck a few cute bimbos from his local bar before meeting some real women, then I don't think that's a bad thing. Lifting and frame might seem like second nature to some, but it's a revelation for others.
The overwhelmingly American POV here must seem a little insane. I've done a fair amount of world travel for work and I think the women in this country are amongst the most demanding while also being some of the absolute lowest in social value. I was with a women for a few weeks in Cardiff when I went out there for biz, and I honestly had a moment when I thought about LTRing her (until I came to my senses, ha ha).
ShinobiKrow 6y ago
Portuguese women aren't great either. They have a bad temper and are very closed. Certain things people suggest here wouldn't work very well where i live, like cold approaches. Good luck hitting on random strangers in any circumstance where they aren't drunk. Your only chance is if you look like Thor. Anything less than that will be seen as a weirdo.
That being said, you do find a lot of examples of women that make romantic decisions that are very far from shallow. A lot of women here don't care about money at all, or social status. A lot of women here absolutely despise gym guys. I know a few like that. Having muscles is actually a big negative point to you. So...yeah, the idea of women that people have around here has very little to do with what i'm used to. The way people here describe women only reminds me of the bimbos. Yeah, we also have those, but those girls don't represent women in general.
Fucking hot girls is cool and all that, but it is kind of disturbing to see so many guys looking at it as an extremely valuable achievement in life. They wanna fuck bimbos. Many of them. And they act like if that's what they're supposed to do, so they have to change their entire life around that goal. That's their big goal. Ok. You fuck a lot of girls. Then what? Really, then what?
I'm at a point of my life where i'd rather meet an intelligent, funny, nice 5/10 or 6/10 chick than fucking a bunch of 7's and 8's that only have their bodies to offer. And that's because finding hot girls is very easy. Now, to find someone special, that's the hard part.
And i know, according to the specialists i shouldn't even talk to a 5/10. Girls are "plates" and all that matter is whether or not they're hot. A 5/10 isn't even a human being and nothing good can come from that. This is actually the mentality of most people here. I'm not sure i would wanna be a friend of someone who thinks like this.
seducter 6y ago
Sending Muscles and Swoles your way!
Widowmaker_Only 6y ago
150 pounds 5"7 - people got out of ur way? Ur delusional ecto
Andgelyo 6y ago
This. 150lbs at 5’7 is frail. I would not “move out of the way” for someone that size. Hell I wouldn’t move out of the way for anyone bigger than me. Just because someone is big doesn’t mean they could fuck me up. Boxers weigh less and could probably break a tall meathead’s jaw.
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Frame is king - everything else is secondary. If the strength of your frame rests on being big, or looking good, then yes those things seem to be vital. But having a clearly defined reality, and the will to impose it, outclasses pure appearance any day.
Zech4riah 6y ago
You seem to getting enough shit here so I'll just say this: Guys at my weight class (210lbs and above) are usually polite enough to give me some room as I give to them. Respect goes both ways. I get shoulder checked really rarely and if I do get it is done by 150 pounder (even tho I try to give em some room) who have found their courage from a bottle of booze.
maplemaximus 6y ago
I have a sort of moonish baby face and I can relate. Having a small frame or extremely young appearance can make people want to intimidate you and they'll give you less respect. It's infuriating but seriously, it's very subconscious.
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throwlaca 6y ago
It's like air. Yes, air is absolutely vital, but once you have air, you also need other things to live like water and food.
I mean if you are lacking appearance, it's like you are lacking air, you die. But also if you lack water or food.
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And just like that, the credibility goes right out the window
strikethrough123 6y ago
How so? I've been struggling with weight gain all my life. Just like it's extremely difficult for some to lose weight, it's extremely difficult for me to gain weight. When I'm at the gym regularly, anything less than 3000 calories and I'd be losing weight. I'm unable to gain any mass at all unless I'm eating 3500 or above, period.
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Odds are you aren’t tracking correctly. Or you work a super active job. High metabolism ectomorph nonsense is mostly pseudoscience.
strikethrough123 6y ago
I'm tracking correctly. If I were lying, there'd be nothing stopping me from claiming I'm 180 pounds.
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strikethrough123 6y ago
The chances of me tracking incorrectly are nonexistent because I track correctly.
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strikethrough123 6y ago
It isn't a belief. Like I stated earlier, I continuously added 500 calories until I started gaining weight.
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StillHigh09 6y ago
What you said is true. Looks and size does matter. But I wonder how much of it is in your head. Like,you know you're small again so you're subconsciously came back to how you were acting when you were small?
LibertyIsNotFree 6y ago
Appearance is reality.
This is the most important concept to ever learn. It's applicable in everything. What's holding frame about again?
markdumte 6y ago
Not really and it is very dangerous to believe it.
But appearance does help a lot and its one of the best ways to start to turn your life around.
BigMawsmidget 6y ago
Actually it is true if everyone in the world is mute, what do you judge them by?
fiercealmond 6y ago
Where they put their fingers
Pilliam66 6y ago
I wish I only needed 3500 calories to gain weight
LeftHookTKD 6y ago
Hes 120lb. He doesnt need even close to that
Pilliam66 6y ago
You can't tell just from someone's weight
LeftHookTKD 6y ago
Yes you can. It's science. Unless he's running marathons every other day.
The people who claim they need a shit ton of calories to gain weight are not eating much at all.
Pilliam66 6y ago
"It's science"? You don't realise that different people have different metabolisms? This is very common knowledge. Sounds like you've just discovered the BMR calculator and think it's a precise estimate. It's really not.
I count every single calorie every single day and I eat 4000 per day to maintain at 78kg. Stick that in your BMR calculator
UshankaDalek 6y ago
Metabolism varies very little from person to person. Barring some medical condition, it won't make a big difference in your required diet. You'd probably agree that the strongest factor is how active one's lifestyle is.
Pilliam66 6y ago
I don't consider myself to be exceptionally active. 30 mins light cardio plus weights on an average day. I've always had a high metabolism as well. I know it is unusually high but it's not impossible.
LeftHookTKD 6y ago
Only idiots think that metabolism has that big of an effect where a 120 lb man needs 3500 calories to gain weight. Please count calories for a week and you'll see for yourself
Pilliam66 6y ago
I've counted calories for over a year. My maintenance is 4k. Sit down
LeftHookTKD 6y ago
You're an idiot or you're 240 lb. I know which one.
Pilliam66 6y ago
You don't have to believe me. Bye
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AircraftWelder 6y ago
Yeah lmao I’m sitting at 215 and am bulking with ~3600.
Pilliam66 6y ago
I count every single calorie. It's really not hard. I'm an engineer, I can handle basic addition. I just have a sky high metabolism.
LeftHookTKD 6y ago
No you don't. It's not possible.
Pilliam66 6y ago
Always makes me laugh when people just straight up deny it as if outliers can't exist. I'm not an idiot, I can add numbers together.
Maybe you think it's not possible because every time you hear someone saying they have a metabolism far higher than yours, you just straight up refuse to believe it? It's not exactly something I'm proud of - it's just a fact.
CQC3 6y ago
I'd like to add the sentiment both of you are saying is true both ways.
There are true outliers who who need high to tremendous calories to gain. Most "skinny" guys are just dudes with poor diet and weak appetite. Appetite can be built, and depression/stress highly affects appetite.
I'm not a stress eater, nor is my appetite huge. My family does not eat a whole lot either, so through all these factors I never had a huge appetite either. Eating is partly social. Make friends with fat fucks and hang out with them, and see how you start to eat.
Many skinny dudes misrepresent themselves to others giving people with slower metabolisms the wrong impressions. They eat like a bird all fuckin' day, then hang with people and eat a HYOOGE meal. Their friends say "wow, you can really eat". The truth is that this person only eats like that once a day tops, and if they overfeed they compensate VERY easily the next day by eating less without even realizing it. Because they go by feeling, not timing, and their bodies are good at maintaining weight.
Many times, if you look at total calories WEEKLY, you start to see the truth. Daily is a lie, If you need 2200 to maintain and one day you eat 2900, I guarantee most skinny people instinctively will undereat the next day because they're still full.
ScumbagPotato 6y ago
On a similar mission myself OP. I will say I've never experienced critisism and social rejection as badly as you have at this point but thank you for the great read. I've been struggling to push past 130lbs, but thanks for adding more fuel to my fire.
Fuck the haters. Let em waste away in their crab-pot.
postreformedpua 6y ago
Currently on a diet, dropping down from 270, currently at 225 but aiming to get to 180. Noticed better interactions from people but still in monk mode until I get lower. Looking forward to making a full post about it.
thebluesSV 6y ago
Why? 270 to 225 should be more than enough of a confidence boost. I´ve recently gone from 240 to 225 and people are already starting to notice.
brotein_synthesis 6y ago
This post should be stickied. Hell, I am considering giving you gold. Just because.
SpecialSpnk 6y ago
Dude... You need to eat an assload more and continue to lift heavy shit. No excuses, you may want to have your thyroid checked out but if I was you I would be eating like a football linemen.
Gozsayin 6y ago
First I want to say that I agree with this post but only to a certain extent.
It's a fact that woman love a man that keeps up on himself. I can still remember my pre-teen days where my would mom iron my clothes telling me how I would have the ladies rolling in and sure enough will a fresh cut and press shirt I was a babe magnet.
That being said I think the drop from 150 to 130 only effect your mental game. This post speaks to me though because I've always been a skinny but fit guy playing sports from middle school to college. Currently 22 and I'm 1.5 months in on my renewed training/bulking. But keep up the good work
willowhawk 6y ago
20lbs is a big difference. Especially for a little guy
EM6666 6y ago
Interesting observations.
The whole ectomorph, endomorph thing is old and debunked.
Minhoquento 6y ago
Frame is real, some men have bigger bones than others.
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Certainly. But if improving appearance isn't going hand-in-hand with backing it up with sober lifestyle choices and a push towards self-improvement, it's like an empty, meaningless shell.
I wouldn't count fitness as improving appearance necessarily, it's certainly much more; one of the most sober lifestyle choices I've made.
Baloo020 6y ago
Well put some weight on you. You weigh as much as an average 17year old girl. Only you are 5'7. So yeah
PawnToKing 6y ago
stopped reading at ectomorph.
maddtuck 6y ago
I honestly think it was OPs attitude and not his appearance. When he got bigger he got swagger, and swagger is what parts crowds and makes women swoon. There is no magical number of pounds that does a better job than whats in ones head.
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5"7 here aswell bro. I went from being around 60 kilos running 5-15km most days to 74 now. Lifting changed my life and I hope you can get your weight back up, I've had a week off due to illness and feel shit, ready to smash it again this week. Make sure you cover all areas of your body (legs) as you can add a lot of mass and weight overall.
throwlaca 6y ago
Sorry but 150 pounds and you were parting crowds? in which country do you live? that's terribly skinny. I'm 5'8 and about 170 pounds, about 15% bf and I'm not parting crowds in any way and I live in a third world country when I'm average height.
You know in US the average weight for males is about 200 pounds and that's just average! Dude you need to get back to 160-170 pounds of muscle at the very least.
UshankaDalek 6y ago
Well, his initial state was 110 lbs. Even the scrawniest adult men I know are significantly beyond that. OP is short and probably wiry. The average human is less than 50% muscle by weight. In round numbers, an increase to 150 lbs from "base weight" would be prominently visible.
The average American is overweight. Average weight probably isn't a useful metric even if OP were average height.
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That have more to do with confidence than how big you are. If you keep walking on your path, people will avoid you to not bump into you unless they're an autist just like you are.
LeftHookTKD 6y ago
And average height is 5'9. Theyre fat fucks
throwlaca 6y ago
Yes but fat can also make you look huge if you are not on the beach.
LeftHookTKD 6y ago
Not if they don't work out at all. Fat alone makes you look fat only. Fat with muscle makes you look big
strikethrough123 6y ago
Big chest, big arms, and a confident walk. You don't need to be Arnold for people to move out of your way.
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strikethrough123 6y ago
Assuming weight distribution is equal for everybody, you'd be correct. Unfortunately, it isn't.
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strikethrough123 6y ago
Did you even read the thread at all? I'm not currently at one 150. If you go through my post history, you'll find a picture of me at 140lbs. I don't need to post shit, but I'll humor you, when I get to 150 lbs again I'll be sure to give you an update.
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strikethrough123 6y ago
I understand. Comparatively, I agree that I'm not big. However, for my height and for how small I used to be, it's a huge difference.
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These days if you're not fat you're attractive. Enjoy being thin, when you get older you will have a hard time staying thin.
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