This has to be the most blue pill thing I've ever seen. Don't ever think this shit can't get any worse.
A question was posted to AskMen: https://archive.is/3DJQC
Essentially the guy is in the friendzone and tried to initiate sex with a woman. She rejected him. Now he thinks it was sexual harassment and is even worried that the police might get involved. What's even worse is that all the comments agree that it was indeed sexual harassment and are giving advice about how to stay in the friendzone.
A few logical voices were heard, but this comment thread has since been deleted: https://archive.is/VR1to
Of course, from a red pill point of view he failed already by being in the friendzone with a woman he finds attractive. But apparently just being a sexual (and unattractive) man is enough now. Initiating sex and get rejected? Harassment.
I, on the other hand, do not have to resort to "harassment" to try to have sex. I simply shower the woman with gifts and praise and eventually she undresses, opens her legs and tells me that I'm allowed to fuck her. I am very careful not to touch her thigh during the process unless she explicitly consented to that, though.
This is the kind of "men" the feminist agenda is creating.
cashmoney_x 6y ago
Oh my sweet fuck those comments. Men are LOST.
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I thought of responding to the thread... but jesus what's the point. Seriously, have these clowns ever gotten laid once in their entire lives? They guy's crime is that he was awkward as fuck. No big deal. We've all done it at least once. Just move on.
Dmva100 6y ago
The goal of over broadening the definition of sexual assault, is to ruin the reputations of men to keep them from obtaining high status positions in the workplace, politics etc., or removing them from such positions.
This is especially true on college campuses. If a girl tells a college counselor a guy looked at her the wrong way, they can suspend him, tarnish his record before he can graduate , and he won't get that STEM job he was going for, and that position just MIGHT be available for the women now!
If women can't use the pleasure of sex to sway the men of power, they will instead use it as a badge of victimhood to tear them down, true or not. The women who shame anyone who dare question something 'awful' as unwanted sexual advances, contact, etc. are those who fear the loss of power from such accusations. Odds are those women are ham planets that cannot secure the men they want. The men who stand behind the women on such issues are just beta cucks looking for a whiff of poon by conforming to feminist propaganda and being PC.
We are seeing a change in how sex is used for power. The less incentive for men to commit to women (marriage) the more incentive women will have to use sex as a reputation destruction tool as an effort to weaponize sex by using the law in a different way. Choose committment and or marriage for legal provisioning for your woman, or go to jail and lose everything you work for in your life that you refuse to give to women.
MattyAnon Admin 6y ago
This is exactly it.
The goal is to make sex illegal and marriage compulsory. Anything that is not going down on bended knee begging for the privilege of handing over your resources is defined as rape.
hatefulreason 6y ago
but marriage is also a problem since it makes the top 20% instantly unavailable
MattyAnon Admin 6y ago
The objective is to create a society in which all the male resources are carved up and used by all the females.
This is optimally achieved with monogamy: all men marry all women, all men pay resources to their only source of sex: their wife.
This was the old model.
The new model is: all men pay taxes, child support and alimony for the benefit of women.
This amounts to the same thing, except men don't get any sex at all.
Women oppose everything that goes against these paradigms: casual sex, men cheating, open relationships, sexbots, porn, low taxation, men being bachelors.
Even while opposing it, they also fuck hot men. But they have to deny they do this, because it goes against their resource-acquisition plan.... so you hear "women don't do that!" followed by "the kind of woman you want doesn't do that!". And other endless hamstering because her dualistic strategy isn't actualisable if it is known.
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Dude you put it in such bluntly clear and depressing terms. I cannot believe we live in a society where I have to give money to women that that aren't either related to me or fucking me. This is literally a crime against nature.
MattyAnon Admin 6y ago
Most likely you take out of the system more than you put in. Unless you're a top 30% earner this is the case.
So I'm putting more in than you, and you're taking more out.
Is this also a crime against nature, or is this somehow different? Because I'm pretty sure I'm neither related to you nor fucking you.
read_if_gay_ 6y ago
Can you expand on whose objective that is and why they chose it?
Dmva100 6y ago
Elites with capitalistic ideologies. Women comprise of 80%+ consumer spending. The more money women have, the better it is for profits and big business. The rich dont give a fuck about equality and all the other social smokescreens that come with gynocengric feminism/SJWism
MattyAnon Admin 6y ago
Women / SJWs / Feminists.
It's not a choice, it's an instinct.
hatefulreason 6y ago
so by marriage compulsory you mean just giving females a basic income to raise chad's kids. but then when "she"'s a single mother or her desirability drops, she's gonna want someone to cuddle, open jars and take out the trash...what then ? robots ?
MattyAnon Admin 6y ago
You misunderstand.
This is the objective of feminism and the current SJW crowd.
It's all a terrible fucking idea for men.
hatefulreason 6y ago
sorry for manoverthinking this, i can't help but think about the consequences of their "ideal world". let's say everyone gets universal basic income and noone gets welfare, pays alimony, etc. they are free to do whatever they want since they're not held back by resources. what then ? they can't force you to put up with a selfentitled cum dump.
MattyAnon Admin 6y ago
But they don't care, because they have the resources. They're free to do nothing other than fuck who they want.
Men will be default enslaved, because the universal basic income won't apply to men somehow. Not sure how they'll justify this, but they'll find a fucking way.
hatefulreason 6y ago
they'll fuck whoever they want until they won't be desirable. what happens then is my dilemma
MattyAnon Admin 6y ago
After that they still want your taxdollars. And they get them too: women take out more retirement and healthcare from the system, while putting less in.
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I've put the moves on many female friends. Some where it worked, some where I was rejected. I wouldn't call myself "friend zoned" in those situations though since I wasn't acting like their beta servant just to sniff their carseat after I drop them off. We were actual friends who enjoy each other's company and doing stuff together.
Not once have I ever been smacked with a tarnished reputation over it. I grabbed a girl's butt once at a party and got slapped. Even then she was cool about it like 15 minutes later. She does the same shit to guys too.
This was all lik 5-10 years ago though.. I feel like now I probably wouldn't pull that same kind of bold behavior. Too risky now.
SilentAlpha 6y ago
If you know how to really read women and have some life experience you won’t have to deal with this stuff. Men and women who want to enjoy one another do so without ever contemplating unwanted advances. This stuff is all a result of men who can’t read a woman or who need to work on themselves so that women will desire them more often.
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But the whole point is that other than a few naturals, men don't know how to read a woman without practice, and part of that practice is failure. Oh but now failure is a crime.
swaglordobama 6y ago
Calibration is everything. Knowing how to calibrate and escalate physically is very key to avoiding bad situations.
Basically it boils down to yes, neutral, no. Yes is when your escalation is reciprocated or causes her to react positively. Neutral is when she lets it happen. No is when she flinches, tells you not to touch her, etc. If you get a no, you apologize and leave her alone for a bit, show her you respect her, give her space. If you get a neutral you push it until you sense she might give you a no soon. If you get a yes you keep going.
Always look at the girls face to see if she is enjoying it. Sex should be win-win.
SilentAlpha 6y ago
There's no calibration. You'll 'know' instinctively when she wants it and when she doesn't. Sure sometimes there's ambiguity but most of the time when a woman wants a man she lets him know whether she realizes it or not.
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SuperCrazy07 6y ago
Ahahahahahaha, that's awesome.
My favorite is the white husband with a white wife insisting their two black kids are his.
WTHub 6y ago
There's an article going around, at least with young millienials, that like 1/3 of women polled said that a non-sexual compliment on their appearance or if asked if he could buy her a drink, constituted harassment.
Here's the article... https://www.dailywire.com/news/23852/study-lot-young-people-think-compliments-drink-amanda-prestigiacomo#
strikethrough123 6y ago
With this new wave of cucked non-gender abominations it's as if people have forgotten that men have penises and women have vaginas.
altiro15 6y ago
Society teaches boys from a Young age(me included) to put Women on a pedestal
Women love sex as much as me They like to be flirty They like to have fun and crack sexual jokes
I had a coworker where we would turn any Situation into a sexual joke and She wasnt even into me. I tried to make a move on her and she Respectfully declined
What did i do?
Went to work the next day like a jormal dat Were both young adults and im jot Going to down myself because The bitch wasnt even mine!
I wanted to smash, she did not.
Moved on. Were still good friends
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altiro15 6y ago
I was always thought to be nice to women
I was thought i should never hut a woman Because she was simply a woman Even if she hit me first
max_peenor 6y ago
From the comments what someone suggests he says as an apology:
Crossed lines. See, none of this is about body integrity, morality or even consent. This is about supplication. The line was that she she could take whatever benefit she could from their association, but if he showed sexual interest, that's a problem.
CoupDeGrace22 6y ago
Pretty much this is they moral of the story or any story of the kind.
Beta guys consciously know they aren't sexual material for the bitches they're orbiting but somehow getting drunk makes them act on their instinct and boom! their indoctrination kicks in telling them flirting with a woman or doing the simplest thing like touching her is "crossing the line", how dare he, bad dog!
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NewEraAlpha 6y ago
They have definitely forgotten that here in Sweden, raising kids ‘without gender’, sheer utter disgusting insanity:
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/j5q3kb/watch-our-new-documentary-raised-without-gender
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No the parents are being wise. If they're completely unattractive they'll be less like to be raped by refugees
NewEraAlpha 6y ago
Haha... But what do you mean? As per this Swedish gov statement there is no issue with immigrant crime: http://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migration-and-crime-in-sweden/
And so events such as the below are not due to immigration... In fact, the Leftist approach of denying reality is a completely effective mitigation against crimes, sexual and other.
https://www.rt.com/news/414608-malmo-gang-rape-police/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden
https://www.thelocal.se/20161231/swedish-judge-refuses-to-deport-teens-who-gang-raped-child
Madness...
Magnum256 6y ago
Wasn't there that big thing like 5 months ago when Trump commented on the refugee-crime problems in Sweden, at which the media tried bashing him for it, only to have mass firebombs being thrown at police the next day or something?
NewEraAlpha 6y ago
Indeed - that was a real ‘moment’ for me. So called reputable international media houses saying there are no issues in Sweden - my numerous Swedish police and security professional contacts tell a very different story. But such contacts aside, as per links above, journalists can’t use google? Madness. Leftist agenda clearly driving many mass media sources.
bentob_trp 6y ago
Rt and some random website... Nice sources, lol
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bentob_trp 6y ago
Sorry, it's just that RT is a Russian state new agency, I'm naturally a bit suspicious of something so closely tied with a government that loves to incite contention in other nations, so I have a tendency to ignore them.
But yeah, that is pretty fucked that those rapists only got a few years in prison. To be fair, Swedish sentencing is often quite short, for example these two guys(both nordic descent) raped two kids over 1000 times and only recieved 14 years in prison.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/24747/swedish-brothers-rape-children-over-1000-times-hank-berrien
That's pretty fucked though.
In regards to immigrants, they are often much poorer than average citizens, which obviously makes them more likely to be criminal. That being said, Islam, being the toxic and anti-progressive religion it is, doesn't help. Personally I'm a bit conflicted about the refugees because on one hand they've basically been kicked out of their country by terrorists which sucks ass, but on the other hand they harbor some very undesirable people. It's a balancing act of what to do, for sure
NewEraAlpha 6y ago
Fair mate, fair. And yes RT has a clear agenda of its own, for sure.
I think the main issue is culture and a mindset of exploitation rather than contribution, not race. Religious ie legal conditions of home countries also shape culture.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_sexual_assault
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zina
Also the majority are young men - costs a lot to come over - they are economic migrants, not refugees. Letting in an allocation of genuine refugees is the compassionate thing to do. Open border policy and a welfare state however leaves you ripe for exploitation by those systematically looking to improve their financial situation by taking all they can, getting a Western passport, then leaving (yes this the the norm, majority I’ve spoken to want to return to home country once they have passport). FYI - so you can assess the credibility of me as a source - I’m an Arabic and Farsi linguist and have worked extensively in Afghanistan, Iraq, lived in Syria, etc.
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VAOTOMARNOCU 6y ago
leave them be. the more dudes become like this, the more women are available for game-aware men
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Even game aware men get rejected. The danger here is if the bar to "sexual harassment" is lowered too far we can't even do game. Ultimately any escalation is about testing her reaction. You never ask, you just do it. If she's not comfortable you back off and if she never gets comfortable you cut your losses and move on.
g_m171 6y ago
Real talk, all these crazy ass theories about society coming apart at the seams bc leftist having soft bullshkt opinions on a subreddit and this is what I drew from the story. Honestly sounds like the dude struck out even though the girl was about it. Fucking came over to his house and all after a drunk booty call.. Jesus
AllahHatesFags 6y ago
I don't do the friendzone: if I find a woman attractive and she isn't DTF me, I have no use for her in my life and I break all contact.
Snoopy_Doggy 6y ago
I agree, life is too short.
When you threaten to walk, and mean it, is ironically when you're most likely to get some anyway. And sometimes even a LTR, since she knows you can sack up when the going gets tough.
Augustuscrassus 6y ago
Yeah but you have to admit it's scary the current climate we live in.
It has crossed my mind more than a few times that my former oneitis or a girl I fell put with comes out with a #metoo on me. In their mind it WAS sexual harassment.
I've been reported at work before asking a girl for coffee, back when my smv was too low.
Shaney96 6y ago
"I've been reported at work before asking a girl for coffee"
What in the fuck has this world come too..
Augustuscrassus 6y ago
Our SMV at that time was massively different. She was a HB9 and I was a skinny little shit who shouldn't have done that shit at work. She got fired a few months later when she didn't show up for work pretty much 2 or 3 times a week.
Thankfully I didn't get fired because my direct supervisor backed me. My reputation was never the same after that though.
El_Serpiente_Roja 6y ago
Sound like u had some nuts on you, high smv or not
Shaney96 6y ago
"Shouldn't have done that shit at work"
You shouldn't have done it because you don't shit where you eat, not because you were of low SMV.
If you were big dick Chad, this wouldn't be the same story, of course. Her not turning up for work numerous times a week is her responsibility, not yours.
yomo86 6y ago
I won't deny what happend. But usually the hotter the girl and the more normal your SMV (around a 5 and not some hideous incel) the more likely it is that you will receive a very, VERY, gentile no. This is just my experience. The 5s and below are the ones making a fuss of everything so the whole world is able to see that they are desirable by straw-manning you.
Augustuscrassus 6y ago
I was 5'10 145lbs. So skinny as fuck. I have probably an 8/10 or 9/10 face. She was a HB9
Harry_Wangs 6y ago
I have done questionable things with work girls. Never gone all the way because I care about my job. I think the important thing is to have plausible deniability when you make make some flirty moves.
For instance, I like to hang out/get lunch with lots of people, guys included. When I ask a girl for lunch (even if it is outside of a work setting), it does not necessarily mean it is a date because I do it with other people too. The girl would look stupid if she reports me because I am just seen as a social guy. In fact, it would hurt her own reputation if she were to do something like report me. However, I've only had some flirty conversations and lunches with work colleagues. Too high of a risk to try and escalate more than that.
banjew 6y ago
Happen the same to me. WTF.
Throwawaysteve123456 6y ago
The key is just be high status, and the claims won't come in as long as you reject them softly.
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Augustuscrassus 6y ago
Word man. I was young and dumb but I learned the hard way. I left and found another job and never did that again.
truedemocracy3 6y ago
There are benefits to it. Yes there are a lot of women but meeting them for most guys is hard, especially after college. Though the rule of thumb is only go after a girl at work if you care about her more than your job.... and if you're a RP man that should never be the case.
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You're right. It is hard meeting women and people in general after college. That's why work is such a popular, but risky option. That, and you spend all day with people at work.
francisco_DANKonia 6y ago
If meeting women outside work is that hard, you need to examine your life. That's what I did/am doing.
truedemocracy3 6y ago
eh in a dating app world I have no issue meeting women, though would prefer it to happen more organically. Definitely looking to join more local organizations and things like that, but to go into anything with the underlying goal of 'meeting women' will only set you up for failure.
francisco_DANKonia 6y ago
True. I was talking more about increasing your SMV, which will organically cause you to meet more women.
truedemocracy3 6y ago
Got any advice on what you've done? I wouldn't say it's a shortcoming on my end but as someone who was hyper involved in college and looking to scratch that itch years after I'm always open to improvement
max_peenor 6y ago
One of the comments.
When I was a young gent, if I invited a female of the species to be alone with me at my abode, it was because I planned to see if she was open to be touching her in the slippery places. That was pretty much a society-wide expectation of a young male seeking alone time with a female. Now, showing up at my place wasn't itself consent to a full on tuna plunge, as she obviously might decide she wasn't feeling it. However, it was a done conclusion that I was at least going to physically propose such a situation.
It was easy for everyone to understand.
Now, everyone is confused and no one has any idea what the hell to do.
Yay progress!
Another comment from this dumbfuck.
You need to feel her out by not feeling her out. Yeah, no fucking woman wants to have contract negotiations before you see if she likes your touch. In fact, most of them are unsure of the whole deal until you make some sort of overture. It isn't like he pinned her to the floor and started raping her. He rested his hand on her. She didn't react. He then moved her hand on her. She didn't react. Five minutes later she decided it wasn't for her and left.
Oh oh oh. But yeah, I forgot--the classic blooper misogyny: as a female, she's too fucking stupid to handle situations like this and she's too fucking stupid to realize that a male of the species might be interested in mating with her.
And finally...
So, I thought women were responsible for their own bodies. Freezing up? So they cannot manage themselves? It's up to men to look out for their safety and protection? Interesting.
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How can we trust someone to vote in elections if they can't even decide whether or not they want my hand on their leg?
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If I did not initiate kino early on dates and without verbal consent, I never would have gotten laid in my life. Even female writers have realised that this current hysteria will be the death of natural intimacy between men and women who are dating. They lament it but then concede that it is necessary to stop sexual assaults. It is insanity, it is like suggesting that people are banned from arguing in case that leads to an assault.
truedemocracy3 6y ago
Bingo. I feel so bad for these saps that go online and get advice like "ask her before kissing or making a move" from either ugly feminists or beta reddit pussies. Women hate that shit. They want a confident man who takes initiative and escalates.
Remember, reddit isn't reality. When it comes to dating and SMV it is often on the lower end of the scale.
bentob_trp 6y ago
M'lady may i please have the honor of giving you a small smooch on the mouth? Pretty please?
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truedemocracy3 6y ago
Absolutely. If a girl is on a 2nd date she clearly wants to move forward with things (assuming that date goes well).
In regards to the AskMen OP would the woman have responded well to a kiss? In the scenario described I doubt it. However if you're a woman (or a man) and the opposite sex invites you to do something 1 on 1 at their place that absolutely has underlying romantic intentions. She doesn't deserve an apology for some guy trying to make a move. Of course that guy sounds like he made a ton of mistakes and just was all around uncomfortable.
IlluminatedElf 6y ago
From personal experience, every BP-er will try to act like a RP-er, at some point or the other, especially if they've had some alcohol or are desperate.
I didn't know what was going on at first (also, I'm autistic so it doesn't help) but a lot of BP guys tend to act (or react) when a girl rejects them or shows disinterest in them. I tend to be quite verbal about things (again, autistic) and I've had many BP guys, who on the good day, would be fighting for women's rights and worshipping feminists, behave like the most desperate individual on the planet and start begging, pawing, and trying to get something, despite knowing that the situation is awkward and unwanted.
The initial reaction is "freezing up" because it is one of the more WTF-is-going-on-moment I've to experience. When I didn't know RP, I had no idea about men and this would be extremely surprising because their behaviour at that moment is so different to their general behaviour (or what I assumed their general behaviour was).
Now, I know how to reject men and whenever this situation arises, I can even predict it and be extra-firm. I've made men cry, just by telling them firmly, that their behaviour is unwanted. They typically apologise, beg for forgiveness, or start behaving like little children. I feel sorry for them (a little) but then, they go back to their feminist-persona/white-knight character and I know they are beyond help.
I am not very good-looking or socially able person, so I tend to get much older men who work with me (sometimes married/separated) hit on me in this manner. It is disturbing because in a previous conversation, he might said that you are like his daughter/niece or imply something that is strictly platonic, and then, very suddenly, hit on you, aggressively.
I still have a lot to learn but I know never to trust a man who wants to start something altruistic on a platonic basis.
spencerc25 6y ago
Thanks a lot for this post. I couldn't understand the first half but it all made sense when you identified yourself as female. Really interesting perspective.
max_peenor 6y ago
The point there wasn't what they do. Freezing up usually happens one of two ways. They get stiff and unresponsive. That's a clear message. Escalation is a process of action/response. If they give no response like they are opening up their body, stop--they don't want it. The other form of freezing-up is the hamster retroactively fabricating an excuse for not actively stopping it. These are the dangerous beasts.
Anyway, the point is this: either women can control themselves or not. If they can't control freezing up, then they can't be responsible for their own safety. Yes, the dumbshit feminists will screech about teaching men not to rape, but we've been trying to teach all humans not to steal and murder forever and it hasn't worked. Plus we know lesbians are the most brutal abusers of the species. So which is it going to be, ladies? You will take responsibility for your safety and the consequences for when you don't? Or is it time for the burkas and familial male escorts everywhere you go?
IlluminatedElf 6y ago
I don't think one's control over their circumstances is as absolute as you make it be.
Sometimes, shit happens and you meet a rapist/someone with malicious intents. Personally, I think women need to separate "disgust" from "fear", in terms of all the "harrassment" cases. Lonely men can be depraved beings but they're pretty harmless and I don't agree with the misandrist beliefs about men being rapists/aggressive. I think women are as bad as men, especially with groping and such but men just don't get disgusted enough. If they do, they should report.
Then there're vindictive people who throw around threats and try to ruin your professional life; personally, I have no problems reporting these behaviour or bringing this to the appropriate authorities. I'm fine if someone else thinks they can tolerate this behaviour but I think it's disgusting and I'd like to see some change there. As someone that's been bullied and sexually assaulted by women and men, I'm over the whole "I'm your boss so you have to do everything I say" schtick.
I think modesty and a sober friend/companion is a good thing and should be encouraged, especially if you are going to do something risky and feel vulnerable. I would never be one to encourage risky behaviour just for the sake of being "independent" and "powerful" because that's stupid.
max_peenor 6y ago
Of course it isn't. That's why the preferred term among men should be "responsibility" and not "blame." Sometimes the ship sinks and you have to go down with it, even when you did nothing wrong.
Your take on this doesn't surprise me; it's a common theme for us--honor is a male thing. And why? Well, because women are awesome and men are expendable. Men build shit and sacrifice themselves to do it. Women have a very, very important job that is cross-purposes to that: do everything they can to make sure the baby making machine survives. Note that I don't say that their job is to make sure the babies survive. No. They have to survive, since the baby making machine is far more important to the survival to the species than any single many. You don't have to go back in time very long to find high infant and childhood mortality rates. The ability to print up MANY children was the key to our survival as a species, as is the ability to encourage men to die to promote their survival. So yeah, women are self-centered and don't give a fuck about things like honor or honesty? Fuck yeah you are! We wouldn't be here without. Keep up the good work.
Hate women? Fuck no. You are amazing creatures. I celebrate every "evil" thing you do, because there is nothing evil about it. It's called winning.
From a pure logical standpoint, yes. They do. However, both reactions are mechanisms to keep low value men away from them. So I understand it (now, post-pill).
As a quick aside, you have no fucking idea what it is like to have testosterone surging through you as a young male. Holy fuck. Allow me to quote myself: there have been times I was so horny that I would have mounted a rabid badger drenched in gasoline and on fire if it was my only means of ejaculating. You think that is absurd? Yeah, it really is but it is the drive that makes men stupid and again--not evil, it's what has pushed our species to the top. The good news is that most men won't tolerate other men when they can't control it. That's how we apply beneficial evolutionary pressure in the long run.
It's funny because my entry into the civilian workforce was by way of a woman that hired me against the objections of several others. She eventually came on to me one night and, yes, we fucked for about six months (yes, I'm an idiot) until she left for another job and I took her spot in front of lots of others. I went from being a young 20s nothing into a senior management by way of a female acting completely inappropriately. So yeah, it really does work both ways. If she had a dick, I might have even sucked it if I knew it would have gotten me to where I am today.
You think I'm going to report that shit to anyone? Hell no. I used my sexuality to my advantage. I know I'm an outlier here, but I celebrate women that do it too. Is it a dangerous game? Yes and I would advise people not to do it. However, if you pulled it off, good for you.
If I'm your bosses boss and I heard about this behavior, your boss would be packing their shit up in five minutes. While I may celebrate people that use it to their advantage, I have ZERO TOLERANCE for any employee that uses it as a weapon. I have ZERO TOLERANCE for anyone that makes anyone else feel uncomfortable because of it. The workplace is for work, not sex. However, I understand that human behaviors will creep (pardon the pun in some cases) into places where humans are.
Yes, I have fired people for this.
As I said above, nor would I. However, no greatness comes from being a herd animal. I will celebrate those that take risks and succeed--man or woman. I will join you in pouring the gasoline on those that fail, before we throw the lit match at them.
IlluminatedElf 6y ago
I pretty much don't disagree with everything you say; I can/have the ability to admire decisions that I may personally disagree with, if it shows signs of dedication/genius.
I'm quite OK with most of the thing women do with one notable exception; I don't like it when some women (or any group, for the matter) try to silence others and enforce rules that prevent others from allowing their opinions to be voiced and received with fair consideration.
Personally (imo), being a herd animal these days simply means behaving in hedonistic, reckless ways just because you fancy doing it; it rarely is a means to an end. I subscribe to Hanlon's razor in this case, "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
I suppose it's the same case for testosterone... again, can't disagree with you much; the rabid-badger-drenched-in-gasoline example was enlightening. :)
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Some of you really have a problem with recognising sarcasm.
Jonlife 6y ago
The brainwashing is strong with these cunts. Another blue pill soy boy bites the dust
Raknith 6y ago
I can't read what he did because it's deleted now, but I feel like this all of the time. Personally I find it hard/scary to make moves on girls without it being able to be considered sexual harassment.
IAmAHumanB3ing 6y ago
This is why prostitution should be legal. Us men will never again have to risk our entire careers when asking a woman for coffee.
Ganaria_Gente 6y ago
It used to be that the biggest opponents of legalization of selling sex, were social conservatives. And now it's the social progressives and their gynocentric supremacists.
Love the hypocrisy.
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Haha yep. The left is the prudish party now. Even 15 years ago this wasn't true.
ZidaneLoire 6y ago
I think where he fails is escalating physical touch in completely uncalibrated way.
I mean, you jump from talking to touch her thighs in a prolonged way? Dude's like a hammer. Maybe kino properly better next time.
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Yea he fucked up a bit. Big deal. We all did and we all learned. The fucked part of all this that this is the way things are because of women, not because of men. All the men of the world would be so unbelievably fucking happy if women simply told us whether they were interested or not. But they don't. You have to read her emotions and slowly escalate. Are we the ones who invented this game? No, we are just trying to get laid. God the world is a fucking joke.
ZidaneLoire 6y ago
Anger phase. This too, shall pass.
Women are a dial and men are light switches. Even if she told you she wouldn't know it herself. She probably will be if you game properly. You have to warm her up. Dudes know within seconds if they want a woman or not. Women don't. They warm up to it. Dudes rarely do. There are advantages to that. If you game a girl properly it's unlikely not to get laid.
Bro don't hate the game. Learn it and beat the house.
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It's obvious that the guy's game is weak as fuck. The point is the guy thinks his shit kino and subsequent rejection is tantamount to some kind of sexual assault.
newName543456 6y ago
Pretty much.
I did the same thing once in college while drunk on a completely stranger girl in a bar who joined me by the table. She called me out on it and moved on to the next one.
I shrugged it off and went another way.
francisco_DANKonia 6y ago
That's exactly what this sounds like. She didn't get up immediately but he was so not smooth, that she had to leave.
truedemocracy3 6y ago
Have always said it - that sub needs to be renamed to 'Ask Betas'. Guys need to realize this is Reddit. The women are ugly, the men are nerds, everyone is a loser UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE.
Love how pathetic the replies are, really a contrast of BP vs RP. "Apologize for being a jerk", "why are women conditioned not to fight back", lmao so much helplessness. The worst thing is the OP is absolutely fucked. He made a cringe move, definitely didn't do anything morally bad, and is now being attacked for it by white knights instead of given constructive advice. Any chance this guy had at being better with women is set back for another year or so.
Menchstick 6y ago
Holy shit that comments chain is truly terrifying, and the fact that the guy talking about "toxic masculinity" was a male is even more .
jethreezy 6y ago
Rarely ever visit those bluepill subs, so it was pretty to see that inane term used unironically.
That faggot may be male, but he sure ain't a man.
Hillarysdilddo_2016 6y ago
Haven't read the link, but anytime some faggot goes online asking if he sexually assaulted someone or using buzzwords assume it is a larp trying to shape public opinion.
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After reading it he definitely came on a little creepy. Booze on his breath and caressing her thigh is a little creepy. Also like who puts their hand on someone's thigh for five minutes and just leaves it there? That's just weird either make a move or don't but pawing a thigh for 5 minutes is weird. Dude seems like a creep.
1THRILLHOUSE 6y ago
It sounds like the guy did fuck up.
He invited a chick around who is just a friend with no interest in him. He’s already had a few beers and it’s probably noticeable going from how he describes it. He then just puts his hand on her thigh for 5 minutes, without any lead in or further build up until she leaves.
He even says she must have frozen so he knew she wasn’t keen. It’s basic shit, if people seem freaked out and uncomfortable, they are. Don’t keep pushing sex on people that aren’t keen.
Even your final paragraph seems like bullsht. If you talk like that in real life I doubt you get laid mate.
Yeah this would have worked if she was interested but by sounds of it he dropped the ball. No it’s nothing major and she shouldn’t make it that way but she may have been genuinely scared at the time so he should really smooth it all over.
shakejimmy 6y ago
So men are expected to make the first move bu women but if they get denied then it's sexual harassment? Quite a gamble.
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(Gonna get downvoted for this but) He did not sexually assault her but if he made her uncomfortable he should apologize
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No, he should never speak to her ever again. You can't be friends with a woman you find sexually attractive. If you get rejected you move on to the next one.
IlluminatedElf 6y ago
I'm a woman and I find that apologising in this situation makes it awkward/worse for both parties.
She has already rejected him. If he goes back to apologise, she might think he's pursuing her and feel even more uncomfortable.
Just move on, who cares if one woman finds you unattractive. Cut your losses, ignore her, and pretend things never happened.
bloxman28 6y ago
He possibly did. She could have gotten the police involved and she didn't.
If a man has any self respect he would leave her be and not contact her ever again. She friendzoned him and now even their "friendship" is damaged. There is literally no point in apologizing as it will accomplish nothing.
6-_-j 6y ago
OMG that "ASKMEN" sub is full of the most vagina-centric advice I've ever seen.
Snoopy_Doggy 6y ago
AskMen is where a lot of us used to go for RedPill type dating advice.
Sad state of affairs this is.
red_matrix 6y ago
I used to think it was just trolls, but it's just men...weak men, everywhere. Not only have men become emasculated, they no longer know what their place in the world. This is what happens when you condition men from childhood to act like women. It's programming.
Hillarysdilddo_2016 6y ago
Is r news full of news? Is r politics full of politics?
No. This site is a total shill fest.
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grimsilver 6y ago
Went over there out of curiosity. Had to stop reading, it hurt my soul to see all that jack-assery in one place.
red_matrix 6y ago
Guys have lost their purpose...and have been conditioned to feel this way.
OhhDatDogOMine 6y ago
In most reddit subs, the best comments are always down-voted to the bottom or straight up deleted.
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You are the reason I skipped straight to the bottom on this post. I had a feeling the neckbeards took over the top. Fucking snowflakes can't get over a rejection.. lol
Menchstick 6y ago
That's not true, it only happens in incredibly extremist subs like vegan and feminism related subs.
123InigoMontoya123 6y ago
Dude, TRP is by definition, extremism. How else would "normal" society define this sub?
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Its not about feminism its about Communism. Feminism was created by communists. The true goal is to make everybody workers, not men or women. Destroy the family unit, make everybody equal by force and then toss them into the Communist labor machine. The European Union is communist, which is why you are seeing such major changes in EU member nations, pushed by the governments.
Eliminate Communism, you eliminate the problem of feminism entirely.
Snoopy_Doggy 6y ago
This is dumb.
First off, Communism is already dead, and has been for a few decades. Even the Chinese can't be rightly called Communists any more, they are the most capitalistic and industrious people alive today. You'd know this if you ever did business with them (or against them). They are ruthless in pursuit of the bottom line, the Rothchilds would be proud.
Second, feminists are capitalists, they long figured out that money = freedom/power, hence their sleeping their way to an easier life, and voted for politicians to force the state to make men their wage slaves. That's not communism, that's not socialism, that's exploitation and slavery. That's much closer to how capitalism works today. Laws are enacted to enforce the redistribution of wealth from the weak (most men), to the strong (even ugly fat women live longer, happier lives than men do on average, with far more discretionary income, more friends, less chance of suicide, being murdered, etc). CEOs already by Jan 1st have earned more than most of their employees have the entire year. This is equivalent to the 80/20 split in discretionary income between women and men. Men make most of the money that women then get to spend. If this isn't slavery I don't know what is.
The battle of the sexes, stuff like metoo and diversity initiatives is a game they're running on society to make men their servants. They all want to be treated like CEOs, with golden parachutes even when they fail catastrophically, taking all the credit and the profits (discretionary income) while we do all the hard / grunt work. Nothing about that screams communism to me.
CEOs would have a laugh describing their racket as communism. More like robber baron capitalism. Capitalists harness the power of the state to enact laws that benefit them at the expense of the majority (e.g. Trump tax cuts for the wealthy), just like feminists do with alimony and other ways they exploit us.
I'm no communist, but under the Soviets men had much less unequal rights (vs women at least) than they do now in the West, women had way more abortions (yes I consider this a positive), and earned way more engineering and math and science degrees than in the West. This is partially thanks to state-subsidized childcare so they could afford the time to work and earn higher ed degrees. Also, ask a woman in China about their false rape accusation stats. Oh wait, those don't exist, because in China if you make a false accusation and are found out, you do the time the accused would have done if found guilty. You don't want to know what they do to rapists over there. But they don't have a metoo movement either, which is entirely a product of Western subservience to their whims.
If you destroy the social safety net, you make the burden harder on (average) men, actually, who always bear the most brunt of any catastrophe. Instituting a basic income would allow a lot more men to check out of the marriage scam. Women too. Welfare did allow a lot more women to leave abusive marriages they weren't happy in. Why shouldn't they? Do you really want a woman to stay with you only due to her financial dependence on you? Have some self-respect.
Things are only going to keep getting worse for men unless we vote for politicians and ideas that do not trample on our rights. And that applies to both major parties. Sure the Dems are worse in a lot of ways but at least it's possible in theory to reform them. Capitalists don't care about 90+% of men getting shat on while the few get all the perks (most of the sex, yachts) of living in the richest era of human history.
Einzakin 6y ago
The guy should just be honest with her. If she isn't into him he needs to move on and get more experience. He clearly creeped her out and I can imagine the way he touched her was just awkward. Oh well, lesson learned, move on.
The disagreement in the thread is because people have different experiences with that type of shit. Sometimes it can be creepy to touch a girls thigh like that, sometimes it isnt, all depends on the situation and context.
That Fluffy guy may be right but he doesn't know how to argue, he sounds like an angry teenager trying to get people to agree with him. If he was a little bit smoother I bet he wouldn't get so many downvotes.
Harry_Wangs 6y ago
We aren't given much information, but it seems to me that this guy could have actually banged his friend if he wasn't such an idiot. Definitely not sexual harassment.
Who just sits there and caresses a girl's thigh for 5 minutes. The fact she sat through so much of that probably means she was down. As guys we don't even need to be that smooth when it comes to Kino. But sitting there caressing her thighs like that is such bad game. He could have just started making out with her if she was fine with him touching her thighs for a few seconds, then escalate to sex.
By staying she was essentially saying "I can see you as a sexual man, let me see what you got". But he ruined it by caressing her thighs for 5 minutes straight like someone with no social skills.
Who does that shit
Snoopy_Doggy 6y ago
Massage a woman's back up to her neck, then turn her around to make out with her, works almost every time. Massaging thighs seems a little needlessly risky / bold for initial escalation IMO. If a woman is DTF you'll know it based on how she responds to your casual touch which can then be escalated.
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RosstheMoss81 6y ago
Your past is now retrievable, what happened years ago can now be ressurected and history rewritten under the toxic masculinity perspective. Just a matter of time before someone points the figure at you. Question is how will you respond?
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aaasssaaa11 6y ago
"I, on the other hand, do not have to resort to "harassment" to try to have sex. I simply shower the woman with gifts and praise and eventually she undresses, opens her legs and tells me that I'm allowed to fuck her."
BETA CUCK ALERT FUCUUUUUUUCK LMAO