So I got into the dormitory elevator with a friend of mine and we were discussing casual everyday bullshit.
We were on the Ground Floor heading to our floors, and the door is about to close when a 7-8 blondie steps in. She had this ice-cold bitch face on. My friend descendd at his floor, and I'm left alone with the girl inside the elevator for another coupla floors.
I look at her and she rolls her eyes then starts looking to her left avoiding eye contact (I know that elevator situations can be awkward, but she kinda took it to the next level with that bitch face).
I gazed down at her for a second or two, and she started feeling uncomfortable, so I just smiled and said, "Hey, how was your day? You're good?" and holly shit.
Her face went from the bitch mode to the happiest person alive. She said lively, "Oh, hey there! It's been a long day at work, and I'm feeling very tired right now. How was yours?"
"Well, look at the bright side. At least you got a summer job eh! We were just discussing finding a job my friend and I. My day was great".
"Hahaha, yeah but still it's tough," she added.
"Well, it's not meant to be easy". and the elevator beeps. It's my floor.
"Alright, have a nice rest and see you around " *raises fist*
At this point she chuckled and awkwardly with her handbag on she brofists me.
I get off the elevator and took a last glance at her: blushing and joyfully smiling.
Now, I'm still in my first stages of swallowing the pill and still feeling a bit anxious while approaching girls. Today, I just experimented with the cold bitch face theory: that girls do it just to push the bad genes away and make the good genes come across. And the take-home message is that if she's giving you the bitch face, it doesn't mean that she's not interested. Especially girls in your social circles. Just casually approach them, say hi, be spontaneous and easygoing, and shit will go your way.
I find breaking the norm in situations like the elevator or in campus with friends, or in class, or even at some coffeeshop while studying, that everyone needs to keep their fucking distance and mind their own business is the best context to actually approach girls.
Another example.
I work at a stylish café downtown a touristic European city and many tourists stop by the adore the minimalist interior.
One of the clients was quietly sitting alone and waiting for her coffee to get ready. This one too had a bitch face. It's like a natural thing they do or something lol.
So her coffee is ready and my colleague brings it to her. No more clients are around and I had a couple of free minutes.
There is something I do as a hobby which is illusion, so I calmly approach her while she's sipping her coffee and fan a pile of deck of cards at her face, "Hey, wanna see a magic trick? Go on, pick a card". And holly shit. Same pattern. She swallows the coffee she had just sipped and says feverously, "YESSSSSS! PLEASE! Should I look at it?"
And from there I asked her where she is from and for how long she's staying.
She spoke about herself a lot, it was more like a fucken date lol, and she emphasized more than once that she's keen on experiencing the city not as a tourist but as a native; she wanted to experience the bullshit fun stuff of the city, not the mainstream touristic shit. I was surprised that she didn't actually visit one of the most famous squares in the city.
And then towards the end she had to leave to carry on her journey.
She gives me a last look and asks me, "What's the craziest thing to do in this city that is not touristic?" and fuck me dead. I went blank.
A friend of mine told me that that was probably ASD + speaking in Womenese. She can't really fuck a guy she just met on her 3-days stay, or else she's a slut, and she can't ask me to hang for a beer. So he told me that the right answer would have been, "Hanging out with a guy you met here? A.k.a me? I know some good corners around here". And I agree.
EDIT: This wasn't the first time that I tried approaching girls at coffeeshops. I did it many times before as a casual client, not a barista before, and chickened many more lol, but contrary to preconceived misconceptions, girls do not really like to keep to themselves and not talk to anyone. If you be little creep weirdo like me and concentrate on what they're actually doing most of the time while pretending that they're studying, you'll find out that they're just boringly scrolling down their Facebook homepage or doing some useless shit to kill time. And that is, gentlemen, the best time to strike.
I found that so many girls literally WISH that you approach them, especially if you have a considerable SMV. But because they're fed contradictions all the time, she can't really approach you because you have to do the chase as a male, and at the same time she pushes you away as a shittest/ASD (call it whatever you want). So the right thing to do here is to cut through her bullshit and actually do it.
Here is another example in which I chickened out.
I was studying at the library and there was a girl who was a fucking 8-9 (she was so fucking hot which actually made me anxious af).
I walk up to the bathroom to answer the call of nature and on my way back, this bitch callously holds eye contact with me.
Yup, I fell for it. That piercing gaze actually made me anxious and eventually made me run away. So being the anxious potato that she got me, I pretended that I didn't see shit and silently sat down and resumed studying.
For the next hour or so, I just kept an eye on her seeing what she was doing, and boys, she didn't study shit. She had 3 Starbucks empty grande matcha tea latte, and all she was just sitting there and just gazing at guys walking up and down the library. From time to time, she'd go out and sit at the entrance with her phone chatting or whatever and that's all she did. I could tell that she was bored to death and had no real talent or value in her life whatsoever and all she wanted to do was to chill out with someone and kill time. But again, being the unexperienced bitch that I am, I just froze up.
So guys. Ignore the bitch face and go for the approach. Seriously, when you get a haunch to approach, don't chicken out like me, but go for it. Have some casual lines like "hey how you doing" or "hey can u borrow me a pen" or something and do it.
Kyogata 5y ago
Women just want to be treated by men as a human being, and not as some kind of alien enemy. Show you're not scared of her, be friendly, let her know you've got a dick and want to use it now and again. She'll be there, for sure.
iamanalterror_ 5y ago
Whenever a girl tells me this, I see it as her trying to blow me off, and move on.
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Last time I asked a girl to go for a beer and said that.
I think it depends on the context, see. In the case described in the post, I believe she was really feeling tired. And she wasn't trying to blow me off, she just asked a friendly question.
SkorchZang 5y ago
You're onto something sidebar-worthy there. Women have many "rules" about what they think they want and what they think they want from a guy. But the most important rule to know is not on the rule list: she is always looking to make an exception for an exceptional man.
Seduction is all about not playing by the woman's default rules. Doesn't mean you win everytime, but just by sidestepping the expectation to play along by their rules you are automatically exceptional.
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I think the approach anxiety caused by the bitch face and the female shittest thingy is all caused by the entourage we're raised in.
If there is something in TRP that I completely 100% agree to and will never disbelieve in, then it's the fact that we're growing putting women on a pedestal. We started valuing them so much and started giving them traits and attributes that only exist in our minds. Things they're not worthy of.
I want to make a point here from a personal experience. All the girls I've gotten out with during by blue-pill and red-pill days have seriously nothing special besides their vaginas. I'm telling you. Loking deep inside their characters and life, they seriously have nothing worth the while. Out of all the girrls I've dated, probably a special few that can be counted by fingers that are really interesting to be around and converse with. The rest are just dead fishes just like the library girl in the post.
Diving more into TRP, I started seeing girls on a simpler base, not the godlike figures that we can't reach, but the imbeciles that aren't worth the time to be around. Like, looking at the girls I got out with since I was introduced to TRP, Jesus. They all had nothing special going in their lives. And they all were boring af. Only one girl. This one girl. She is a colleague and we got out for the first time. 6 hours just talking nonstop me and here. She was smart and average looking and everything, but she's still a colleague..
But you got my point.
SkorchZang 5y ago
Universal Law of Women:
Beautiful, Smart, Sane - pick any two.
Beautiful and Sane, but then she's not going to be very smart.
Smart and Beautiful, but then she is on haloperidol "a few months each year".
Sane and Smart, but then she's not going to turn any heads with a face like that...
dynasty_400 5y ago
It's true... also holds true for most big majority of people in general are 'normal' .. and live somewhat boring lives, its ok! But i know exactly what you mean .. i used to imagine super hot girls would be just as exciting to hang out with....
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Yeah, I'm not saying that you should be speaking 6 languages and able to talk about the universe and Shakespearean drama to be qualified as "interesting". Deez hoes have personality, no general goals or direction. They all seem lost and not knowing what the fuck they're doing. I've hanged out with girls who're studying the weirdest shit ever, like Arabic, Egyptian studies...etc. I'm not judging, but when I asked them why the fhck they picked such a peculiar thing to study, their answers went along the lines of "ohhh I graduated from high school and didn't know what to do so I just picked what seemed interesting!" Deep inside I said, "Really bifch? You just based your entire fucking career and future life on a fucking whim? Says enough".
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TelemachusRising 5y ago
Great reminder that RBF is a filter, not a wall.
strikethrough123 5y ago
That's how it is with pretty much all girls. It's a buffer to weed out the betas. If someone's facial expression is enough to prevent you from getting what you want, then you've been filtered out.
Luckyluke23 5y ago
so what you are saying is, most things women do is to filter out the betas...
interesting... I never looked at it that way
strikethrough123 5y ago
No, not most things. Just shit tests. Bitch face, especially in a social environment, is a shit test.
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strikethrough123 5y ago
Yes, there will be women who are genuinely uninterested in you. This isn't news.
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daemon86 5y ago
This is gold! Once when I stayed at a hostel there was a girl who had a tired / annoyed bitchface all the time, like literally every day all day. I thought it was because she already travelled everywhere and didn't give a fuck anymore about meeting anyone. But no. Actually she has had problems with her bf at home and travelled away because of that shit. I should have done what you did
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No worries man. Look, just follow your impulses. Stop giving the whole thing lotsa thought. The deal is just a second or two long. Like you meet eye to eye and that's when you should do it. Recently, I've been implemting this technique which basically has to do with saying hi to whoever the fuck is holding she contact. I was walking down the park today and a bro was looking at me the whole time. I nodded my face upwards the "sup" gesture you know, and told him, "sup man". Hey smiled and said, "Hey sup" and carried on walking.
I still get anxious with girls though. But I'm pretty sure that if you do it more often it'll become easier and soon will become Chad the Destroyer of Pussy.
I also think that SMV has a lot to do with it. Before lifting, I didn't get the attention I'm getting now. Slightly more chiselled face and a straighter posture literally made my life more exciting. Like girls 7-8 and below are holding eye contact and are interested in what I have to offer. When I approach with magic, girls are more open now to the possibility of hanging out. So yeah... Again and again, lift.
But remember, lift and work on your confidence simultaneously. Cuz I see a lot of big guys who are really insecure and can't play girls for shit. But when you work on your confidence and lift at the same time, they'll start growing together. Better looking= boost in confidence.
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daemon86 5y ago
But working on your confidence should be the easy part if you have the body. You have a reason to be confident
Heizenbrg 5y ago
I love hostels it's literally easy mode cause girls are DTF.
daemon86 5y ago
Yeah compared to other places but not easy for me. Everything is hell mode for me lol
Red90210 5y ago
Know the feeling. I think I chose nightmare mode at the beginning of the game and have never been given the option to choose even hard mode.
daemon86 5y ago
We are playing life on nightmare mode
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As someone with Resting Bitch Face myself, I know the struggle. It takes a conscious effort for me to appear happy, so most of the time girl's will mirror my serious demeanor. Just learn not to judge a book by it's cover and approach anyways. 99% of girls will light up, since they weren't bitchy to begin with. The other 1% are actual bitches, and even then you can usually make them laugh/smile with minimal effort.
I'd consider this one of the positives of swallowing the pill. Realizing that no one's out to get you, women just subconsciously raise shields to deflect Beta's. Even simply saying Hi will tear them down.
freshking56ace 5y ago
Lmaoo I get the same thing. I don't know why women try to mirror my expressions. Then we have a dumb staring contest ????
CheeseKringle 5y ago
Bro. The other day at the gym I was warming up on the stair stepper machine and a girl that I had seen there before was walking up to use the one right next to me. As she came up the steps I looked over and held out my clenched fist. She bro-fisted me and just started talking! I hadn't said a word.
From that I learned that girls sometimes need the okay to talk to you. They just need to know your friendly enough to talk to.
Good stuff.
civilizedfrog 5y ago
During my pre-lifting days, random girls just said hey and then turned around. Now girls can't stop talking and more importantly they by stop feeling my arms. Another important thing I noticed is the tone of the conversation. When a girl talks with my friends she has one tone and with me she has another. She talks more like a kid and is more playful with me. It is fascinating
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I totally agree to what you mentioned in the comment and there is a strong chance that that was actually the situation. But looking at this from TRP lenses, I should say that one should always assume attraction and interest and pick on it throughout the whole interaction to see if she's just being friendly or wants something more.
Actually, talking about this brings a dark truth about social interaction between men and women: it's all in her fucking hands. I mean, we could never tell if she was being subtle about trying to get me laid or she was actually being friendly, so the only way to know was to just assume attraction and build from there.
Here's an example. From the dorm (I fucking love this place, it's where all the beef hahaha).
Another girl I approached and hanged out with a couple of times and she was into the friend me (nice guy remnants).
So my roommates fucked off to home during the weekend and I invited her for a beer downtown and then planned on bringing her back to the dorm and fuck her.
She refused explaining she was ugly and invited me to her room instead.
"But what about your roommates?" I asked.
"Woah. Chill, man. It's just a beer".
And that's how I knew she wasn't interested in fucking and hit the next chick right away.
jesper_lundqvist 5y ago
I don't know what country you're in, but it sounds like she was up for sex but didn't want to spell it right out for fear of getting a reputation as the town bicycle. Your asking what about her roommates probably demanded her to be much more clear about her intentions than she was comfortable with, so it's hard to see her saying anything other than it's just a beer. After all, sex is perfectly acceptable, as long as "it just happened".
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Oh well, I failed with this girl long ago. I mean she is from my blue pill days, so I think i'm already the beta friend in her mind andn othing can change it
MrChuckSharts 5y ago
Eerily reminds me of this lady at a place I'm doing my internship/training at. I don't know if she's an 8 or a 7 but she's kinda cute and I can tell that guys including management treats her... differently compared to others. Looked young and didn't have a ring on too.
So me and another intern (some girl) were sitting with this guy and once he's close to finishing his part, he kinda signals her to take over and she gives a bitchy "dude wtf no" response.
She then starts explaining her work to only me since I was sitting between her and the other guy but she didn't seem like she wanted to give more than a single fuck about it. I maintain my composure and my interest, throwing in a witty line here and there and by the end of the day, she goes from being the bitchiest person in the office to the nicest. Even handed out chocolates to us on the way out, the ones she gets from everyone.
The next day on, she starts going out of her way to greet me, help whenever she could and even stepped out of her cubicle and walked towards me when I tried saying something to her. She instantly became the most friendly and helpful person in the office.
I think it's just that while such people do care, they just prefer building a wall between the ones they do and the rest owing to the amount of attention they get. Once you go from being just another stranger to someone they know, they open up.
I don't know if the lady I mentioned has ever considered being interested in me at some point, even. Most likely she's just being friendly and co-operative. My point is that it need not be an ASD symptom. It could just be you going from being a total stranger to an acquaintance. An object similar to a pebble in their way to a real person.
Obviously I'm too cynical to have put this forward on any other occasion. I think it's good to play devil's advocate from time to time to offer a clearer picture. Just my thoughts
olakrak 5y ago
It’s funny because i had this yesterday. I’m not as far as you but I have been saying hi to anyone I see at work and my apartment for the last 2 weeks and I’m getting more comfortable talking to people.
Yesterday I was walking in and I saw a girl behind a door and without thinking I opened it for her and sad hi. She had this look which I guess was a bitch face and didn’t even respond. It was my first time and I always would overanalyze what I would do in those situations. But nothing…. It was like all the weeks of work had made me so proud of myself that nobody could take that away.
I did find out that just letting the thoughts pass afterward is better than starting to overanalyze every situation you are in. You get loose and let instinct take over doing that. So when my mind started to make some noise I say the one thing that ALWAYS works for me. “what others are thinking about me is none of my business.”
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tiberius14 5y ago
Ahaha great stories!
Where do you live that people go to libraries to spend 15€+ on tea and lock eyes with you? I wanna go there!
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Well for the sake of privacy, I can't tell you, but Starbucks prices are relatively cheaper here and it's a touristic city (the good kind) unlike Paris and shit. I just go to the coffeeshops here and order an espresso shot lol and mosto f the time these cafés are full of medical student ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$)
dynasty_400 5y ago
Only read the little conversation you had... bro.. just adding "youre good?" Made ALL the difference... plus brofist .. smooth
Gabbo_is_comming 5y ago
Can you expand on this? Is it meant to come off as like "Is everything OK / you seem troubled."
dynasty_400 5y ago
Yeah, like that, But.. with a tone implying shes acting a bit tense, and a little awkward...
Its GOLD if you can accurately pick up on that aura and call her out just as subtley and smooth as OP did in this example..