I've always been single and spinning plates for the longest time, however I was always a "beta" nice guy and often found that girls I'd be seeing would dump me for more "alpha" guys. The girls I liked would friendzone me and the girls I was hooking up with on a regular basis would lose attraction after a while or find another guy. I consistently workout, have tons of tattoos and dress well however it always seemed that I was placed in the "beta bucks" side of the dichotomy.
The Experiment: Since I had my looks down I could only assume that my BEHAVIOR needed work. So just as an experiment, when I started meeting new girls I would emulate the behaviors of loud football player/jock guys I would see at my local bars who would always pull hotties. This would include A LOT of push behaviors (like heavy teases and negging) , focusing on what I wanted to do. As a "Nice Guy", I would usually only tease once or twice the whole night, but because I was trying this out I literally started teasing girls multiple times in an hour. I half expected them to walk out on me or throw drinks in my face but to my surprise they would become MORE ATTRACTED and start touching. Also the teases became a self fufilling prophecy because the more I teased a girl, the more I believed she was a "dork" therefore the less interest I had in her and the more I started not giving a fuck.
Results: Something immediately I started to notice was that I was placed in the "asshole" category, which to many Nice guys may seem like the worst nightmare, but the same girls would start touching me more, and take more initiative in trying to hook up with me. I noticed I got called a Player often and girls assumed that I was sleeping with a lot of other girls (which is a good thing bc they got jealous). One thing I noticed ALOT was that girls would say "I'm not having sex with you tn" which is "womanese" for "I want to have sex tonight but this is a shit test" and yes I did end up hooking up with them - I got a LOT faster hook ups. Yet one thing I noticed that I'm not used to (as a former nice guy) is that since being "THE ASSHOLE" is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the FRIENDZONE, I've had girls who were super into me on the same day think that I'm a jerk the next day and wanted to end communication or many scenarios where it'd be weird / wouldn't make sense to hang out again because our interaction was more based on attraction rather than comfort.
eyewant 5y ago
What teases did you say though?
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curiousitysticks 5y ago
Seems like less of an opinion and more of an acknowledgment of a quality post that exemplifies theory, practice and field report- something maybe the Mods want more of in this sub?
Kinbaku_enthusiast 5y ago
I think in general it's a bad practice for reddit.
This sub has a vastly different culture though. If you've read the rules, you would understand that this place does have a hierarchy. It's not a "mods=gods" kind of masturbatory situation you might see elsewhere, but rather trying to keep everyone focused on how we all can get the most value out of this.
Experimenting is one of the most valuable forms of topics and it doesn't happen enough.
HumanSockPuppet 5y ago
Because you're a dumb faggot lmao
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NastyThrowawayAcc 5y ago
What's wrong with that? Considering the ammount of shitposts in this sub, I prefer to read something short and straight to the point (specially if it's a FR) like this, rather than a wall of text full of metaphores and rethoric trying hard to look smart, thing I often see in RP theory.
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I've done this before without quite knowing what I was doing and I still pulled it off to some extent. All I knew was beta shit like 'nice guys finish last'. But then I found 'the hat' at a nightclub. It was this frat bro type baseball cap that someone dropped, and I was half drunk already, so I put it on, backwards. Wouldn't it be hilarious if I just acted like some frat bro for the night, I pondered? 'The hat' was my persona for the night. I'd lend 'the hat' to my friends at opportune moments if the needed a bit of a boost too.
And fuck me it worked. I was Chad-lite. I hung around at the bar shooting shit at everyone, getting drunker and drunker, pissing a fair few people off but getting a few makeouts with girls lurking near the bar without getting booted out. It was messy, and I'd cringe if I could even remember much of it I'm sure, but it worked.
This was a weird joke of a night where I realised that just doing my squats in the gym, eating chicken and brocolli and being nice and polite to girls doesn't get you anywhere except near the fat crazy ones.
sadomasochrist 5y ago
For guys not in the top 5%, have a paternal frame.
greatamericancities 5y ago
AKA, treat her like a five year old. Also a CH favorite.
Auvergnat 5y ago
In before the moralizing. Read this:
Chateau Heartiste - A-hole Game: Day 1
Chateau Heartiste - A-hole Game: Day 2
Chateau Heartiste - A-hole Game: Day 3
redpillcad 5y ago
CH is a treasure chest of game theory
Lambdal7 5y ago
Except asshole game is not actually being an asshole, but having mannerisms and vibe of an asshole without actually taking it that serious and also being able to build comfort after the attraction phase.
At first girls will always find the assholery interesting and funny, but then she will see if you are really an asshole. Then, if you can just show some realness, you get the girl, but if you keep the asshole thing going all along, 90% will drop it and you'll only be left with the low self esteem girls.
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Churff 5y ago
How do I know when to drop it and be nicer? I usually keep it up to show that I’m “holding frame”, because I read a post awhile back that said that if you start with asshole and become nicer girls will be less attracted to you and I can definitely attest to that. But now I’m getting that it’s crucial to ease up.
Lambdal7 5y ago
As soon as she is attracted and becomes sweet etc. and drops the bitchy act. This can be after 2 mins of after 20 mins, always different.
lifeisweirdasfuck 5y ago
I can agree with this. Happened to me more than once.
I've been the bad asshole for a while, and this attracted many girls. Although at a certain point women will want you to be "nicer" to them. If you don't, they close emotionally and goodbye. You have lost them.
I kept being the bad asshole when they clearly wanted me to open a little more and be more gentle with them, I didn't do that cause I was thinking "I need to hold frame" and some other bullshit which I really misinterpretated here on trp. And I've lost them, no big deal, but people should understand that the bully game works until a certain point and only with certain women (low self-esteem)
FearGarbhArMait 5y ago
Being an asshole is balance, you have to stay an asshole to keep her tingling but you have to also make her feel safe; Little things make her feel safe, making her walk on the inside of the sidewalk, guiding her back as you walk, not letting other people argue with her(only you can call her on her shit). Comfort comes from knowing you can protect and maintain an enviorment for her.
Lambdal7 5y ago
Good points.
However, I would say asshole game works with 80% of girls at the beginning to pique their interest, especially with confident girls. However, it doesn't work with shy and insecure girls, not even in the beginning. They get intimidated too much.
lifeisweirdasfuck 5y ago
Confident girls love asshole game. This is why it works on HB9-HB10. They are used to have so many orbiters and betas who treat them nice that they would pay for an asshole.
The less attractive the girl, and less confident, the more gentle you need to be.
This is why calibrating our behavior is the most important tool for getting women.
tranquil_af 5y ago
This is something that's not said here enough. Also, treat a 3 like a 10 and a 10 like a 3.
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What kind of game works on shy and insecure girls? Cause i ain't that goodlooking to score HB7+. Eh forget it, they are probably shy in bed too...
greenwaffulz 5y ago
Shy girls are into NICE GUYS. Adam Lyons a popular PUA coach from the Mystery days actually did a whole presentation about the archetypes of men that attract SPECIFIC women. The nice guys and shy girls who are insecure go well together because the nice guy gives her validation and comfort which is needed a lot more. A "neurotic/party girl" will go well with a bad boy because whenever she wants to something crazy the bad boy is there do something impulsive. He talks more about it in his video on YT.
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I was a NICE GUY 20years and that is bs. No IOIs from shy girls or anything.
Lambdal7 5y ago
They are scared of alpha, because they know you'll just fuck them once and they'll be miserable for weeks after.
So, you gotta tone down the alpha a lot and just focus on comfort and rapport pretty much. You still should lead, but don't be overconfident or cocky funny.
one_more_iteration 5y ago
> They are scared of alpha, because they know you'll just fuck them once and they'll be miserable for weeks after.
I think this is my problem. I gravitate towards 6-7's because it's easy and I'm still working on nutting up enough to approach high SMV girls.
But as I get more fit and continue to improve my style and looks I notice I'm having more trouble with average girls. They almost immediately ask "How many girls have you had this month?" or something similar. And when I amplify in response ("Well I want to hit a dozen by Friday *smirk*"), the effect usually isn't positive like TRP advice would say. They kinda shut down and disengage. Is it because they think (know) that I just want to get my dick wet?
It's a weird position to be in, high enough SMV that I can't fuck low SMV girls, but lacking the skills to fuck girls on my level.
Lambdal7 5y ago
Yep exactly.
But you shouldn't focus on 6-7s anyway, because when you're talking to a 6-7, you aren't talking to a 9-10 and gaming 6-7 worsens your game for yhe 9-10s, because the game for both is pretty much the opposite.
Muscular_Sheepherder 5y ago
Try saying you're a virgin next time
trpfaust 5y ago
Your response is a bit off for the context, and likely comes off as try hard. Try to circumvent the question or answer indirectly. I usually take a second, think about it and then say less than 10,000. It doesn’t answer the question directly and is unrealistic enough to elicit a laugh. I think other decent options are to refuse the question (a gentleman never kisses and tells) or deliberately misinterpret (rattle off all of the women you run into during your normal day). This sounds super autistic now that I’m typing it out but hopefully you get the idea
greenlittleman 5y ago
Try to change your mindset to one where it is girl who should earn the sex, not you. She do things for you, entertain you and then after a while she could earn her portion of fuck.
Also your answer isn't actually amplifying it because it is realistic numbers (it is very much possible to achieve), it could be better to say "Well I want to hit a ten thousands by Friday smirk" or something - if you want to answer in playful way then you'd better make it absurd so what it was obvious for her that this is not truth.
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But i don't have the patience to wait 5 dates before i maybe get my dick sucked and boring tantric sex. Fuck dat.
RaughKee 5y ago
I can't do the uglies anymore it makes me ill, however in my long distant youth I was more capable of draaging the bottom of the barrel in time of need. You don't have to wait, just tone down the teasing and negs, be more complimentary with the homely and/or fat girls. Being a cocky teasing asshole works well on hotties because they aren't used to it and it makes them re-evaluate their internal SMV comparison calculus. The notties know that your SMV is higher, make your push-pull more neutral-pull. Still spike the sexuality at times then go back to pleasant and neutral.
iamtheswoop 5y ago
I was surprised in the comments of Day 3 how many people disagreed to outright calling him a Beta Cuck.
MilkMoney111 5y ago
Some people claim that accusations of being a man whore is a shit test. I never saw it as one. I always took it as a compliment. Girls always want to know my body count. I ask them to guess so I can get an idea of how many dicks they’ve taken. And it’s something like: “I wouldn’t be surprised if you were up in the 50’s” or “do you even know how many girls you’ve slept with?” I just smile, playfully act insulted and say I’m a virgin or if I’ve slept with them, say that only one truly mattered and give them a smirk.
A girl who assumes you get a lot of pussy is a girl who thinks you’re high status enough to get pussy. Use it as a compliment. Never reveal your number though.
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TheReformist94 5y ago
Sorry but this guy already has looks down and managing to spin plates so this is not an achievement.
Alot of men on this sub could only dream of where OP started. Alot approach and just get shut down based on looks alone so you can't even run asshole game in the first place.
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CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 5y ago
My fav line/frame is saying I'm a catholic virgin. This also means I can tell them "we arent going to have sex, cant - Im catholic". Its a preemptive strike on ASD, it lets her explain to her friends she isn't taking some guy back to her place for sex because he is catholic, so shes not being slutty. Lots of plausible deniability.
Then after an hour or two of chatting/flirting/touching/shittests when we get to her bed and are working up to sex I say something like "well I guess if I put it in a little bit, that wouldn't count, right?" then she always says "a little bit doesn't count". This is also a stealthy way of getting affirmative consent, btw - protecting yourself legally, and avoiding explicit affirmative consent that is a huge turn off to women in 100% of all cases, is a red flag, and makes you seem like an incel to them.
You can then even play around with her. Only insert a little, and once every 20 thrusts you go all the way in. Then say "Urgh I went too far". Then she always says no, do it, its fine. And after you pound her for a while you can slow down a lot and say "hmmm I probably shouldn't any more". That drives them crazy and they will wiggle and demand you continue.
Eventually after the technical and physical pounding of a lifetime we chat and she says "there is no way you are a virgin" and I say something like "well I knew a lot of priests when I was in choir".
I also audio record the whole thing. I dont listen to it, it would feel creepy to and also I hate hearing my own voice. But I save it somewhere protected and it legally protects me in the worst case scenarios. (I've been falsely accused before, its hurt me a LOT, socially, mentally, career-wise). Just have a watch/app that lets you record audio notes 'for a podcast project you are planning on working on' and have an easy to press record button that you can accidentally press.
Its a great Frame to try out, I encourage everyone to give it a whirl sometime if you have a ONS.
SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 5y ago
Damn this is epic. At first I thought you would say, "I'm a virgin Catholic" as a joke but you really run with it the whole night, huh? I don't think I could pull that off. I have a fun personality and I would give off something that would make them know I'm joking.
Regarding the recording shit, I don't bother with it. I'll always win in court and I wouldn't lose the people that matter. They know who I am. And I'm self-sufficient financially so no risk there. I know this comment sounds naive and will get a lot of backlash but I can't see a rape accusation ruining my life.
CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 5y ago
I play a lot of games, tell lies, trick the girl, then sometimes reveal I tricked her and she made a fool of herself. Then some things I say are true but hard to believe, and some things are false. Sometimes I will reveal something months later - if we keep seeing each other - and she will say "Wow I didn't think you were serious that you did X when you said it that first night".
My lies are never serious. They usually don't last too long and I make them more and more outrageous until I am caught and then she has to figure out what was real and what wasn't. They never are mad. It builds tension and rapport and paradoxically trust - she has learnt a Game you play and knows you at a deep level.
So keep playing games. This is a way of being mysterious, entertaining, shittesting her, and holding frame and amusted mastery all at once. Its the holy grail. I see people here say "girls like mystery, be mysterious!" - well how do you do that in practice and be fun still? I used to try too be mysterious when young - it just meant I didnt talk much and hid things.
I love playing games, testing, trying to persuade people to believe something ridiculous then revealing its fake. This is only in small-talk and light hearted situations, not business. Think of the tricks Dads often play on their young sons and daughters and try doing those but at a higher level.
Look up my post Thundercock Frame Control for more on this
Also this is a 1 hour masterclass from a guy who is really really good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0orJVOjj04
I've never been taken to court, but two malicious women have destroyed my reputations in different networks of people where I was respected and liked. Now those people blank and outright refuse to talk to me or ever hear my side of the story. This hurts a lot emotionally and career/life success wise.
SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 5y ago
I'm really sorry to hear about the damage these girls have done to you. You seem like a good dude. I hope you've recovered and rebuilt.
You will not believe me but I know one of the guys from that show personally. And he's in this video.
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I get asked this a lot and my favorite response is "I'm saving myself for marriage".
greatamericancities 5y ago
I'm partial to Dennis (peace be upon him) Hopper, "I'll fuck anything that moves!"
An all-purpose go-to line that must be delivered with conviction.
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SimpleJacked 5y ago
Asshole game works well because it quickly puts her in your frame seeking validation. Non stop asshole game will cause a plate to break sooner than if you temper it with other styles. Calibrate based on the girl and you can maximize returns.
It helps her feel the whole range of emotions. With asshole game she will feel angry, upset, offended, shocked. Add other game so she feels happy, lonely, excited, sexy, confused, submissive, comfort, fun, etc. 80% asshole works at first but dialing it back slowly helps maintain a plate. Still be unpredictable, some days be an asshole some be slightly comforting. Be stern with shit tests but don't neg a girl that just told you her grandma died.
This is the biggest thing newbies miss. Redpill game requires tons of practice and calibration. You will get better results by trying many Redpill styles.
redpillcad 5y ago
"I'm not having sex with you tn"
subtext
please convince me otherwise
It's a betabait. Keeps the unworthy yucky sperm away from her precious eggs. It's a green light to escalate with game.
"I'm not having sex with you tn"
Dont even make it complicated. Simple response that you dont care works.
You wish
greatamericancities 5y ago
Sometimes it's even more directive: Please take me, now.
Personal favorite is to ignore it, and carry on with the program.
SUPER-MAN-PUNCH 5y ago
No amount of lifting and dressing nice can change your face my dudes. Focus on improving yourself as a person and into being successful to raise your sexual market value. meaning social status and success and pussy will come your way. Being an asshole will get you nowhere.
aguywholifts 5y ago
Teasing and pushing more than pulling is a whole lot of fun. This is the sort of interaction I like to have with everybody, outside of a professional setting or when dealing with employees in stores and shit (where I default to a too polite and understanding guy).
Being used to teasing others makes it a lot easier to tease women you are into since it’s something that at that point comes natural to you. I’m also in agreement that it helps center the nerves and your skewed perception caused by your attraction to her since it takes her down a notch, especially if you unconsciously put her on a pedestal.
It also helps me filter out the people I won’t be compatible with socially. If a chick is too sensitive and gets upset over some teasing, I can tell we won’t mesh well and she is likely depressed, has low self esteem, or something similar. She’s also likely to be very sexually repressed and ashamed.
Pass.
mwitten 5y ago
???????? This is absolutely the best response to this read. For you begginers start teasing everyone. Build your confidence, and sharpen this skill. Remember a little goes a long way!
Zenwarz 5y ago
Unless she’s borderline. My “ex” was crazy sensitive. U could really never tease her at all. But best sex in my life. And yes I dearly paid for it, not worth it.
greenlittleman 5y ago
Most girls are crazy sensitive to teasing from someone they already consider as beta. And if she perceive you as alpha then she will swallow your teasing even if she dislike it.
Zenwarz 5y ago
That I agree on. She swallowed a lot in the beginning. Then gradually as I became her bitch, she took the smallest tease as huge offense.
jonpe87 5y ago
Just tease her.. our brain is really simple and dumb: for man: hot girl = bones
for girls: tease: wow, he is fun and don't give a fuck, good genes
girls are super goofy... betas dont have even idea, cuz they don't talk with them, once you start less you give a fuck, cuz the goofyness pass your imagination capacity
ChrimsonChin988 5y ago
The problem here is you’re trying to emulate this faggie “asshole behavior” by pushing. You’re doing it to get a reaction out of her. Which is still beta af.
The one and only good reason to do it is because you ENJOY fucking a little with girls. Ultimately, it shouldn’t matter how and even if she responds/ is triggered by your teasing. The teasing should be the goal in itself, no ulterior motive or goal it should accomplish.
I like to fuck a bit with everyone, especially my friends but also my brothers/sisters/cousins, even my parents and yes, girls. I enjoy doing it and it’s so much fun when people are at your level and fuck back with you.
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askmrcia 5y ago
To be fair, this happens to assholes or "alphas" as well.
Entropy-7 5y ago
The correlation and causation of assholes and success are a bit muddied.
When I jacked up and fronted a rock band the attention I got went to my head and I became an asshole. Guess what? The girls didn't care.
In some cases like in business or crime, being an asshole is our primary asset and your success flows from that and then the ladies follow. Rich assholes have their pick of women.
RonieGarret 5y ago
Can you give some examples of asshole behavior and push?
Lambdal7 5y ago
Would you agree with this statement?
Asshole game is not actually being an asshole, but having mannerisms and vibe of an asshole without actually taking it that serious and also being able to build comfort after the attraction phase and to provide value.
At first girls will always find the assholery interesting and funny, but then she will see if you are really an asshole. Then, if you can just show some realness, you get the girl, but if you keep the asshole thing going all along, 90% will drop it and you'll only be left with the low self esteem girls.
Also, asshole game only works for night game, but will exclude you from your social circle or day game.
greenlittleman 5y ago
I disagree about your last sentence. With younger girls (16-20 years old) it works in daygame as well. And in social circle it works as well as long as you have support of your friends and your group is highest value and all other groups don't dare go against yours - then you basically could get all the girls of the circle for yourself.
Lambdal7 5y ago
Yes, those exceptions are correct.
PeterPansSyndrome 5y ago
To balance out the asshole, post sex run a little bit of comfort game. That's if you want to keep her around.
cuntrolbot 5y ago
Right up there with "I have a boyfriend".
justicecantakeanap 5y ago
Did the same thing some year ago.
Literally pussy came flowing the INSTANT i started acting like an asshole.
I am medium looking and very smart talkative guy, so there you have it
mrfritzeltits 5y ago
Treat them like dirt they stick like mud
Shaney96 5y ago
I used to be total nice-guy and now I sometimes feel I've turned into 'too much' of an asshole when with girls. I feel I 'push' too much. Like, the other day this bird said I was the cockiest English guy she's come across.
Last night I went out and was met with only rejections. Perhaps my looks aren't developed enough to pull-off this game? Or maybe because I was in a poor state, my frame was weak and this was obvious?
Like, I know these weren't shit-tests and were rejections (read How To Get Laid Like A Warlord), as I'd still stand around smirking after she'd look at me like I'm an autist or something, but then she'd just end up walking off.
toasty99 5y ago
Does poor state mean, like, emotionally in a bad place? Or actually feeling cash-poor? Either way, if you are preoccupied with something, you might be putting off the “I need a friend” vibe. Nothing wrong with that, btw. My life would suck without my friends, male and female.
Shaney96 5y ago
Emotionally.
I most definitely was putting off a negative vibe due to internal preoccupations. I feel pushing through mental blocks after facing multiple rejections is just something I'll develop the more I put myself out in the field.
etherealembryo 5y ago
I felt like this was the scene in the matrix where Neo touches the mirror and learns the true. Never stop!
splendid_phoenix 5y ago
Interesting post. Yeah I've been hovering and shit for a couple months and am in the process of swallowing the pill. Because of this sub, my mentality did a complete 180 and since I didn't care, I started seeing results. Girls dig assholes despite their hamster trying to convince them otherwise and the "nice guy" thing gets you nothing farther than a beta orbiter. There s a reason why all those chicks were over you. They want what they can't have, a simple primal instinct. I also wouldn't call it "asshole game" because it's not supposed to be a game you use. The way you carry yourself (frame) plus your abundance mentality is more significant.
dynasty_400 5y ago
Just wanna add ypu glanced over a important part ypu were saying,: you started teasing girls for the fun of it and genuinely didnt care how they would react...
Tritzel 5y ago
In my own opinion this only works if 2 factors are at play
1: You’re attractive enough (top 15% and above?) to give her the tingles automatically
2: You hold frame. (Especially when she hits you with “we’re not gonna have sex”)
Basic things that are said over and over again in this sub, but it needs to flow naturally, you can’t fake your frame and a strong frame will always have her happy like a kid in a jungle gym.
I just hope nobody starting off reads this and takes this as concrete advice, it won’t end well.
offbeast 5y ago
Eh, I think its better if they do anyway. I think the balance between being a jerk and a nice guy is something people have to figure out themselves by failing and stepping over the line.
If you aren't offending anyone ever, you probably havent pushed hard enough.
MrTrizzles 5y ago
What is this "15%" bullshit? How do you even quantify that? How can you tell if you hit that 15, or if oh shit I'm only at 14! That changes everything!
That number will only serve to discourage you. You shouldn't even compare yourselves to other men, at least not in a serious, who's the better man way. You keep your body looking as good as you can, you dress as stylish as you can afford, all your shit is on point and you get out there and fuck the best women you can.
You might still end up on PPD mewling about being "disposable" but at least you gave it a shot and on your fucking terms.
greenlittleman 5y ago
I have seen as guys without first factor (one of them fat, others are skinny and average looking at most) get laid easily (with hotties obviously) with teasing and frame alone. You don't need to be attractive - you need to have enough social (or physical, or psychological) power so what people couldn't attack you (either with words or actions) for your teasing in case you overdo things.
Ubiquitous-Toss 5y ago
Top 15% is a stretch. I've been called a 7 at best and being an asshole has always had the results that OP describes. Of course I like my friends and don't want to flip the script on them so its hard to maintain socially. Definitely don't need to be top 15% attractive I'd go as far as to say top 50%
freeskier630 5y ago
I believe "being an asshole" can mean either you like fucking people over and actually being a dick, or you just care about yourself more than the people around you and base most if you actions on you own self enjoyment. The latter being the key to success long term and making yourself a better person. I could elaborate alot more but I'll save it for if someone asks.
Side note: people should read "No More Mr. Nice Guy" gives alot of insight into this topic imo.
greenwaffulz 5y ago
That's a great book, highly recommend it - yes one thing Dr. Glover (author of book) says is that nice guys AND jerks both come from the wrong frame because they're trying to CONTROL situations. The nice guy will make covert contracts and be manipulative while the jerk tries to control situations and boss others around.
I basically used those teases and "was being an asshole" to have fun and I was focusing more on my actions which is coming from a different frame than genuinely trying to put others down or fuck people over.
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Absolutely not true.
Stop stating this limiting belief. Sure each person should work in themselves, including improving physical appearance,, but to say he has to be the top 15% to run this game is absolute BS. Look at Patrice O'Neal he's a big fat motherfucker former nice guy that started being an asshole and all of sudden got girls... his body never changed if anything he only got fatter as he got older. RIP.
roec01 5y ago
If you are attractive enough. You're going to get her attention by presence. Already got her in the bag if you play your cards right.
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That's right but people overemphasize the physical appearance game here. You can only improve that so much you have the power to improve everything else so much more. And in the end the inner game along with other confidence goes a long long long way.
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So what if you aren't attractive enough? Beta bux game?
Your_Coke_Dealer 5y ago
Attractiveness (SMV) is more than your facial features and height. Just about anyone lacking in SMV can improve it significantly. Lifting, losing weight, dressing better, and showing that you’re interesting (social proof) are some of the ways to do this.
Edit: ITT “blackpill” defeatists
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
Beta bux isn't game, it's prostitution. Except you don't get much sex.
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Yeah exactly, i hate that, i rather never have sex or pay an escort for that matter.
Thotwrecker 5y ago
Don't run beta bucks game, it's a bad deal even if it's all you can get.
If you can't be the AF, then go pussyless until you make some money, get below 12% bf, and learn good bodylanguage / voice tone. I'd rather go pussyless than engage with the sexual market as a BB.
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TheRedLadle 5y ago
Your frame is the overall most important part of game.
The top comment (from mod u/bsutansalt) on the post "How to get laid like a warlord" (2nd post when sorting by top > all time) is:
clavabot 5y ago
That fear of rejection so real tho
MachineLearnz 5y ago
Is it the fear of rejection that stops us? Or the fact that we don’t have a reason strong enough to justify/override/transcend the rejection?
If the goal actually mattered or had any importance at all, getting rejected wouldn’t really matter would it?
The fact that we give the situation itself the power to validate or invalidate us is where the battle was lost. The battle was lost before we ever see the girl or that specific situation had arose. - the belief that the outcome of this event has a positive or negative effect on our self esteem.
If you had a reason to believe that it’s not a big deal, it wouldn’t be. But because you believe it is a big deal, the potential rejection/loss is also big in your mind.
It’s because the success and the rejection both represent either a rise or fall in your self esteem.
I think our subconscious beliefs impacts our conscious thoughts and our subjective experience of reality and situations themselves more than we appreciate.
judethedude 5y ago
That’s a post I reread every year, so good and great actionable advice. Need to to remind yourself every once in awhile that frame > all.
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looneyniggabunny 5y ago
then work on being attractive
start by lifting, dress well and groom yourself
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I already do this, but my jaw and face is shit
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social proof + preselection will carry you hard my friend. go out there to make friends and have fun.
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No one wants to be asociated with me lol, that cuckfaced i look and i'm small.
looneyniggabunny 5y ago
Well, this boils down to 2 parts, it either be one or both a. You have not finish your physical transformation. Are you swole now ? Are you dress well enough ? b. Your confidence has not build up. Lead to weak frame, low self confidence and self esteem. Both are related to one another, you start dressing well, people notice and your confidence skyrockets, etc You start seeing serious results in the mirror and your confidence skyrockets Unless you’re natural a 2, there is really no reason you should feel that way My bad, even you’re a 2, you shouldn’t feel a shame of your looks You own the frame and if they don’t like your looks, you can always walk away with no care in the world and that makes you attractive in a way Looks = playing the game on a easy mode But if you know how to play the game, any mode is conquerable !
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danhaas 5y ago
You may need social proof as well then. True power, instead of gimmicks. Check Putin's height to see what I mean.
mytrillosophy 5y ago
Actually, losing weight will make your face look better and your dick appear longer. The right haircut/beard and decent fitting clothes can completely change your looks from 4-8.5.
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319Skew 5y ago
Unless you look like Flavor Flav or Whoopi goldberg's vag. That's defeatist blue pill bullshit
greatamericancities 5y ago
Excellent Flavor Flav reference. Talk about rock-solid frame... God damn!
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puredemo 5y ago
Wrong.
See before and after face here:
fitness sub - 8u28g4/og_transformation_update_4_years_later/
cant link on this piece of shit forum
TheRedPike 5y ago
Use archive.is, copernicus.
e_z_p_z_ 5y ago
Idk what youre trying to show me (you can link here) but I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's a dude born with a good face who squandered it with being fat, bad skin care, bad grooming, etc and then reclaimed it. Not what I'm talking about
If you were not born with a good face, no amount of lifting will change that
puredemo 5y ago
just google the keywords I posted, you'll see what I mean.
and no, you can't link here without a bot removing it.
RossDDMarshalls 5y ago
That's an awful example. He was sloppy and normal looking in the before pic, then he turned into a hot chad with a good looking face in the after pic.
People who are exceptionally short, have ugly faces, or have some sort of physical deformity are in another league from the rest of the population and will face challenges that aren't commonly discussed here.
puredemo 5y ago
He was sloppy and below average in the first pic. Anyone who saw that would say "bad genetics, bleh."
Sure he isn't the elephant man, but that's a pretty ugly face in the before pics. Someone I would see at work and think, damn they're ugly, that dude is never going to get laid.
Face goes from 2/10 or 3/10 to 7/10 or 8/10 with working out.
RossDDMarshalls 5y ago
There are people that max out at 5/10. I saw a guy at my gym today who was shredded, but he was a literal dwarf (under 3 feet tall). He's going to need more than just the sidebar.
Also, really? 2/10? How would you rate people that straight up look like Gollum from Lord of the Rings?
puredemo 5y ago
Sure and that wasn't the point here. The question is whether ugly face --> above average face is possible, and I believe I proved that it is.
Sure there are outliers that are more difficult, no one is arguing about that.
Pestilence1911 5y ago
Dont hate on the dwarfs. One of them holds a record for benching like 3x his body weight.....
contributive-citizen 5y ago
It's not "asshole game," it's "sexy asshole game."
It's the difference between plainly insulting a girl and playing a push-pull game.
robbiss 5y ago
So treat a girl like shit...she'll fuck you...WOW, that should be easy
greenwaffulz 5y ago
haha I will say that girls who ACTUALLY RESPOND to be being treated like SHIT have poor self esteem and have issues (i.e daddy issues, strippers, on drugs all the time, etc.). For the rest of girls out there, teasing and using pushes rather than pulls will do the trick.
KirthWGersen 5y ago
It is not treating them like shit though. Teasing, joking around, it is fun and creates excitement and attraction. It demonstrates confidence and outcome independence. It is the foundation of flirting and comes naturally to everyone. And it works equally well to befriend men as it does to pull women. But we are trained from a young age to avoid causing offence. Overcome that and life becomes more colourful.
redhawkes 2 5y ago
The term you're looking for is Amused Mastery. It's the core of the game.
Your_Coke_Dealer 5y ago
This guy doesn’t deserve that quality response. Relatively new account, trolling with defeatism, etc.
HansCool 5y ago
It’s about being honest and confident to whoever you talk to. Girls can smell fear, which leads to mistrust. If you’re too scared to throw a joke out there, too agreeable to the point where you come off as a pushover, it’s just a dishonest presentation of yourself.
However, if you genuinely don’t like the person you’re talking to, you’re either going to be hostile or putting up a front. Some people make good liars in these situations, but I don’t think it’s worth the effort.
saargrin 5y ago
kylerosa21 5y ago
Being a minority hinders only but slightly. If you control what you have to your disposal that IS controllable, you will do well.
I do better than my white peers with women, and I’m Latino. They have no clue what to do with women, sometimes get lucky with them, and are mostly scrawny guys. I lift, have changed my body comp significantly, go out a good amount and game women, and have already gotten laid by using and ingesting TRP’s advice. That said, I’m still learning and have fucked up many times during this journey. Regardless, I have the upper hand on them even as a minority, because I took control of what I was able to and made it work for me, while also learning what my best course of action is in various situations.
Note - I’m also one of the shortest kids in our friend group. I used to be self-conscious about my height, but I don’t even think about it anymore. Guys who are taller than me can’t game women - yet I can.
looneyniggabunny 5y ago
Y’all still in the anger phase denying lmao Keep working on yourselves, and you’ll be back in time understanding what we are trying to tell you Have fun out there
Rollo_Mayhem3 5y ago
I sorta did an experiment with a friend one night, he seemed to think that because I was attractive, that I would only need to talk confidently, nicely with girls at the bar. you know small talk, where are you from, what do you do, and where are you travelling, blah, blah... well once I had a few drinks that went out the window, I did the old ass grab and I banged both of those girls...maybe I just have an inner ass grab radar but I think maybe only once, I've gotten in 'hot water' for doing it, the girl's friend come up to me and gave me scolding in front of the bar...I just stood there and took it stoically...but later after banging one of them she admitted that she found my quiet confidence a turn on when a guy was hitting on her in front of me...she said she sensed my cool demeanor and the ass grab was the final straw which she described as dominant. So, asshole game.. love it! You just have to be very calibrated to the girl and the interaction, you don't just grab the ass off the bat...but work it in. Most likely you'll bang her that night..
dammit_redskins 5y ago
Terrible advice. Its 2018, you gotta be real careful grabbing ass. Also take into consideration that lots of guys here wouldn't know how to calibrate it and would get in some trouble.
They do like it, but only from certain men in certain situations, otherwise you could catch a charge, a fist, or a drink to the face.
Rollo_Mayhem3 5y ago
I agree it's risky. I am certainly not advocating just grabbing ass... the ass grab is suited after rapport and interest are developed. And certainly calibrated when you have isolated her or at least not while her friend is looking or in the convo. I wouldn't consider it a terrible move, its worked for me, so far. I'd say its part of an escalation tactic. Maybe a 5% frequency move.
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lifeisweirdasfuck 5y ago
I really don't get it. I've been doing the bad asshole game for almost a year and got no pussy.
I just got them to emotionally close to me. There's a difference between the bad asshole and good asshole.
The bad asshole only manages to fuck girls with low self-esteem.
Good asshole is the cocky and funny guy. Which is funny (funny not in the sense of clown funny, but you know what I mean) and attractive.
Bad asshole is the bully who 99% pushes and 1% pulls. At this point you end up being hated by everyone, not just women but also males because you are not a person who's nice to have around.
For personal experience, don't try to be the bad asshole as you are not going to go really far. Aim to be the good asshole and you'll end up having both male friends and pussy.
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Foobyx 5y ago
Well, nothing new with push pull, it's like the basic of attraction. Teasing and showing interest is fun and exciting. On the contrary of the thousand questions nice guys ask and answer with "hooo" "it's great": zzzzzzzzzzz
the hardest is to use the proper dosage depending on the girl.
greatamericancities 5y ago
"Minimum effective dose", as the MD's like to say.
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don't put those words in quotations. you're not quoting anyone and those terms aren't foreign to this audience. you did that a lot in your post and it makes it look like you've never read an actual book before
osirise 5y ago
In my opinion asshole game is step 1. The reason why girls want to end communication is because you have to be a dominant leader. A dominant leader doesn’t give a fuck of what you think. He does what he wants because he has a purpose in life and he’s going to do it regardless if the girl thinks he’s an asshole or not.
He may come off as an asshole. But purely being an asshole for the sake of being an asshole is not what he is about. The reason why they wanted nothing to do with you is because they saw through the asshole persona.
Check out the art of not giving a fuck if you haven’t read it already.
Congrats on not being the nice guy though. That’s a step most guys never manage to take
rayk10k 5y ago
What would you respond with if they hit you wit it the “we’re not having sex tonight” line? In some instances I’ve said “okay, onto the next” and have had some success but mostly failure
U-94 5y ago
Yeah you've got to be good looking enough, or at least her 'type' to manage this. Now I've had girls tell me I'm not their type to my face but I 'held frame' so to speak because I -KNEW- what their type was and it matched me. Like I have long hair and muscles (blah blah) and this girl was fawning over some video of Jason Momoa. I knew somewhere at the root of this was a baseline desire for that surfer looking dude. Which is me. My nickname at one of my jobs is 'California'. So this girl could say "Never gonna happen" to my face but I had the evidence logged in my mind to hold frame easily.
I've done this so many times in the last 15 years that I even get the added benefit of over confidence, like watching an opponent play themselves into a corner with chess. Now I'm not closing deal immediately with these women, some yes but most of the time it's a slow burn tension kind of thing. Timing is important too. Combination of physical circumstance and 'it's your turn' logic.
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Narcissist456 5y ago
I asshole game insecure bitches right out of my life.
Alpha_Jedi 5y ago
The experimental process is fascinating. Looks like you've made great strides and have swung the pendulum to the far opposite side. now comes the part where you can dial it back a pinch so your ONS can become regular plates. Cheers.
AlexanderTheBread 5y ago
Reminds me of the first time I was with a chick after employing asshole game! Later on when we talked about past experiences she thought I had been with 200+ girls or something like that. Little did she know it was barely 10% of that at the time.
tiberius14 5y ago
Well done, man! It seems you've got yourself another weapon in your arsenal.
Can you elaborate on these heavy teases you speak of?
greenwaffulz 5y ago
HB9 blonde girl with a basic white girl out fit I would say "damn you look like you just came back from Coachella", "you remind me of my psycho friend who has her inside of her lip tattooed", "all you need is some cowboy boots to go with your outfit ;)"
flclst3v3 5y ago
Fuck the girl gave me that shit we are not having sex and I fell for it. Lesson learned.
look_good 5y ago
polarize early and polarize hard
agronerd25 5y ago
This game works great just be careful when you find a girl you actually like and want to speak to again. Played this game in college, plenty of hooks ups but contact will end there if they are convinced you are the ass hole/player character.