TLDR: Feminism does not have to be labelled to take effect, which means that even a woman who claims to not be a feminist can still be one. Hence, always assess people by their actions and not words. Think twice if you plan to move to Asia if escaping the effects feminism is one of your reasons.
Stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason and it usually does represent some truth in the characteristics of the said social group. When it comes to Asian Men(orientals), it is not uncommon to associate meek, feminine, unaggressive and sexually unattractive traits both in the West and the East. As a 25 year old half Asian man who grew up in Korea, China, and Singapore who moved to Canada, I'd like to share some insight I've gathered over my schooling experiences in these countries.
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- The Prefect System.
In many Asian countries, both public and private schools select a group of students to aid the teachers to govern over the other students. It is somewhat similar to the student government bodies in the West but the prefects are not democratically elected by students, but rather handpicked by teachers. Prefects have immense power over regular students such as handing out fines, giving them detentions, reporting them for public caning and to some extent, getting them expelled. With this in mind, it is clear that there is a severe inequality between the power dynamics of prefects and students.
In the 7 different schools (4 private, 3 public) I've attended in the said regions, all of them have a gender ratio of at least 10 girls to 3 boys in their prefectorial board with exception to the one boy school I have attended. This maybe because there are more female teachers as with any society which led to a subconscious bias, plus the stereotypes that girls are more matured than boys. This means that growing up, many Asian boys are accustomed to having female authoritative figures in their lives. These boys are used to receiving orders and serving not just the female prefects, but also the female peers that are usually closer to these female prefects. Some boys will of course be exceptions and try to overpower or rebel but in most cases they get burned and publicly shamed for doing so.
For these young Asian boys besides just used to having females leading their lives, it is also a smart survival instinct to survive in school to constantly think few steps ahead to ensure the prefects will not pick on them and risk their pride and safety. Do not forget that Asian parents will always side the school in the name of education and the lack of human rights protection against children. This is why many Asian Men nowadays always instinctively go the extra mile to make a girl "happy" and are so afraid of upsetting females in general. In addition, it is also why it is accepted socially for Asian Women to openly have ridiculous materialistic in their male partners. It is also why Asian Men tend to get themself friendzoned much more than men of other backgrounds, just hit up any Asian dominated club and you'll see what I mean. If you like that Asian chick who has a man beside her, there's a good chance its a bro.
2. Teachers = Parents, School = Home mentality.
In Asia, the overemphasis on education gives immense power to the school and teachers over children and in some cases, more control than their own parents. There are always going to be more female teachers than male wherever you are, but in this case, this gives women a whole new reach of control of children including ones that aren't theirs. Asian parents tend to believe that everything the school and teachers say are the Gospel and ends up as the ultimatum. This means many Asian children are not used to having an opportunity to have their own opinions and confront issues. Besides reinforcing the female imperative, this leads to incidents that constantly lowers the self esteem of Asian boys. It is not uncommon for Asian teachers to constantly praise female students over male students and say lines like "girls are always smarter than boys", "boys should get used to picking up trash and hard labor" and so on. This happened in all of the schools I have attended in Asia and also commonly heard among my friends who attended other schools in other Asian countries. Some of my friends who are volunteer teachers in Asian schools claim that most teachers tend to punish the boys at least twice as severe compared to girls for the same mistakes
In my case, things got a little more extreme where a teacher punished my friends and I for running around the class by grabbing our crotches in front of the class. We were only 10. Having had a Western father growing up, my dad decided to raise this up to the school district in Singapore only being backfired by the school having me publicly caned and shamed in an assembly for challenging a teacher. That was the last time I attended a public school in Asia but things did not improve much in the private schools. Just imagine how many more young boys could have been abused in Asia.
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Conclusion
The schooling system in Asia is implicitly feminized even more than the West, even though these Asian countries have yet to openly claim to be feminists and the West still sees them as misogynistic sometimes. Therefore, these systems and biases will only lead to the further decline of asian men in the east. This is why male KPOP and JRock stars have better hair than Taylor Swift and slimmer builds than Ariana Grande. So think twice if you plan to move to Asia if escaping the effects feminism is one of your reasons, because it is not that different when you think about it.
EDIT: If you happen to be Asian, do not feel bitter about the Asian culture or system, but rather acknowledge how some of its traits may not be ideal in terms of masculinity and learn how to work around it. Do not let your upbringing define you if that is not who you strive to become.
Am0rph 5y ago
Give it a rest already. I don't know about oriental societies (mongloids - Chinese/Koreans/Japanese etc) but as far as India is concerned, feminism is nowhere. Indians who constantly comment here talking about how Indian men are biggest betas and how feminism has taken over India are bullshitting. They don't know India apart from the metro cities where 1% of the population lives. Move to a second tier city and if you go around asking people if they are feminists, somebody will whack you for wasting their time.
Indian tier 2 cities and below regions are where women remain women and men remain men. Try chatting with somebody's daughter or wife in Hapur or Aurangabad or Baroda or Belgaum. You will be beaten up black & blue. They don't do this shit in India's inner towns where men are alpha as fuck but not the alpha the way western men define it - 'ripped, IDGAF etc etc', they are alpha because they take decisions on behalf of their women not the other way round.
Are men in Indian metro cities beta? Yes I'd say about 50-60% are. But go outside the metros, the 99% population doesn't give a shit about feminism or female appeasement. Broaden your horizons instead of generalizing Indian men and this is specifically for Indian males vomiting on this sub denigrating themselves and their fellow Indian men.
justintruetho 5y ago
Indian men use social control to overcompensate for their own weakness. Many Indian men from outside the metro take their frustrations out on their wives and children. Resulting in lots of abuse cases and some even resulted in death.
If you think by slamming women below men makes you alpha, reread the sidebar. Plus I specifically wrote abt orientals not south Asian men, tho I have enough South Asian friends and colleagues to know what is going on there.
thearmchairwarrior 5y ago
Reality wise western guys are huge cucks and soy boys. You won't expect men in china take shit from their women. Men still be men.
Man still can be patriarchs. This is why western men went east.
xxludinxx 5y ago
This has to do with rice theory, Asian societies mostly grow rice for thousands of years and this has shaped their psychological profiles. One can see this evidently in the psychological differences between the people of northern and southern China which mirror the differences between community-oriented East Asia and the more individualistic Western world – and the differences seem to have come about because southern China has grown rice for thousands of years, whereas the north has grown wheat.
There was a study done, here is the link: https://news.virginia.edu/content/rice-theory-explains-north-south-china-cultural-differences-study-shows
Rice farming requires extensive amount of labor and cooperation between individuals on large plots of land, so in order to be successful agriculturally, people in the society had to be agreeable with one another which leads to holistic interdependency and cooperativeness. This is evident in East Asian Communities that had a tradition of growing rice, Southern China, Japan, Korea, and Vietnam so the people who are descendants of rice farmers developed these personality traits as a result.
However, if we look at other Asian societies that have never grown rice agriculturally, such as Mongolia and Northern China, the personality and behaviors of the people are individualistic, independent, opinionated and aggressive. Northern Chinese men and Mongols have more alpha traits and war-like nature compared to their rice farming counterparts elsewhere in Asia. For example, If you compared the men in Northern China and compare them to the men in Hong Kong, the difference is striking. This explains why all the Chinese fighters in the UFC are northern Chinese men, such as Song Yadong (from Heilongjiang province) and Song Kenan( from Hebei province) and why Mongols conquered half the world from Genghis Khan.
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justintruetho 5y ago
That and the amount of estrogen produced in Asian Men due to their soy heavy diet and the lack of testosterone from carb heavy, low protein diets across Asia. It is no wonder most Asian Men are skinny, lack sexual aggression and have high pitched voices.
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dthlist 5y ago
What makes asian girls the best to you?
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HeresRickGrimes 5y ago
The Islamic solution to impose restrictions as a way to keep society balanced (at least that is how it will be framed as) does have some merit. It's a common aspect of the shariah to be concerned about the level of degeneracy in society. An argument can be made that the point was not about eradicating those biological impulses but at a minimum controlling it so that their version of a moral society could flourish. That in combination with strong men can result in a more family orientated society which to me at least is the foundation of a strong society.
clint_bronson 5y ago
But what about show bobs and vegana?
Also i blame Apu.
justintruetho 5y ago
I can relate. Most Asian/Caucasian interracial couples consist of a white man and Asian female, just like my parents and 90% of the Eurasian friend’s I have. It’s sad that when I associate more with my white side, both Asian women and men gives me more attention, at least in Korea and the whole of south east Asia. You’ll be surprised how many innocent looking Asian girls with Asian boyfriends cheat on them relentlessly on anyone who is not Asian.
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Trust me, I'm not surprised. Had 2 married girls so far and countless others who are in a 'complicated' relationship state and just wanted to spend time with someone different.... hamster bullshit, but what ever asian girls are the best (Imo).
DoxMeISupportTrump 5y ago
You make a lot of good points. On top of that, I think you should think about and potentially include in your writing the huge ladyboy/transgender issue in a lot of Asian cultures. That's a huge point I believe you're missing. Even in the more "developed" Asian countries, the amount of ladyboys is legitimately boundless. (And this is hard to get an accurate study on, for numerous reasons.) But especially Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines, Souther China, etc.
justintruetho 5y ago
I’m aware of the ladyboy issue, however it is only prevalent in the extremely poor regions where the best way to attempt getting out of poverty is prostitution. There can only be so many girls available so young boys get forced into a fetish business n undergo excruciating procedures to fulfill the fantasies of sick foreign men.
Hence it’s more of a poverty issue rather than feminism, but it certainly contributes to the decline of Asian men.
DoxMeISupportTrump 5y ago
That's not true though. While they're not as blatant in the richer Asian countries, they're still eons more prevalent than they are literally anywhere else in the world.
Also, saying that it's based on monetary gain is a complete and total demonstration of lack of knowledge. Transgenderism in SEA has a LONG history, before Europeans even came into contact with them, before wealth was even really a "thing". First of all, transgendered women are in their entirely own category, a third gender. This gender dates back ages to tribes over cities. Men in these early eras would don the appearance of a woman in order to gain status (surprise surprise), but at what cost? The cost of masculine structure and the loss of their sons at the soul level.
perkunas6 5y ago
In buddhist countries (like Thailand) people believe that being born as a tranny is a bad kamma from past lives. This is one of the reason why they are not discriminated and pretty much accepted in some asian societies.
justintruetho 5y ago
Oh I wasn't aware that transgenderism roots that far back in their culture. Thanks for shedding light on this, will research a bit more into it and ask some of my SEA friends abt it.
banthrow 5y ago
Culture can fuck you up. Here in Latin america we have a small but old Japanese community. Lots of pure-Japanese (meaning their ancestors were all from japan) men born and raised here. Believe me you don't want to fuck with those guys, weak and feminine is the last thing they are.
RPInjectionToTheVein 5y ago
Guess they dodged the whole post world war 2 globalization thing
arythmetic 5y ago
Good read on Korean/Singaporean/Chinese school prefect system. I also grew up in Asia, non-oriental, and currently reside in Hong Kong, China.
The Prefects in my school were not as prominent as yours. However, to touch on every single other points:
To counter it however, I think Asian schools have much higher restrictions on girls than they do boys with a lower number of rebels regarding Haircut, Uniform, Any Sexually Distinguishable Characteristics. This resulted in me having almost no interest in the opposite sex in the same school (Given I was a late bloomer anyhow)
Would like to find out more about Singapore which I had heard is much more trad-con than other countries in that region.
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Swimmerfiveee 5y ago
As an Asian male who has grown up in America, I have some thoughts on your post. I understand that you were treated awfully in the schooling systems in Asia and had some serious repurcussions on you growing up, but I feel that no matter which society you are in the standards of attraction in terms of frame and respect do not change much.
This past month I visited Singapore for familial reasons, and my first week there I ended up getting sucked off by a girl on the roof of a mall. It was a cold approach, and all it took was passing simple shit tests. If anything, I felt it was easier getting the job done there than back home because of the severe lack of competition.
I also understand you said that it was a perceived weakness but I felt that in your post you talked a lot about the things that were wrong with no way to fix it. I am just saying it should not matter your background, ethnicity, or height; all it takes is swallowing the pill with true conviction.
SyfruitCamelia 5y ago
So I actually agree that Asian culture reduces individuality and promotes group consensus and most of us are beta trash.
However I'm going to also have to disagree with the exact opposite of this and you can see what it has done in the west.
In Asian culture we consider masculinity to be about politeness, respect, and deference to authority and elders. There is an implicit understanding that those in a position of power do not abuse their responsibilities.
Here apparently. Being masculine is about being a loud smelly animal and making loud autistic noises. Also everyone is a unique individual and special snowflake and rules are meant to be ignored.
Both extremes are bad honestly, but look at the state of western society with rampant femminism and female degeneracy when you let everyone be a special snowflake.
justintruetho 5y ago
To me the politeness and respect to the elders traits usually end up in making men less dominant and afraid to achieve their dreams in life. Like the “go be a doctor or might as well die” mentality. Hence the high suicide rates in eastern academia.
SyfruitCamelia 5y ago
Yes elders are not always correct and that is the biggest failure of eastern societies. Lack of social progress due to always assuming people in power are correct when they are not.
But I would stay here and fix these problems rather than what white men do which is abandon their own women instead of fixing them and going wmaf route which leads to cucked and pathetic beta sons, and the destruction of western society.
justintruetho 5y ago
It is a very noble goal of urs and I fully salute that. However bare in mind that it is not your responsibility and no one will care for ur efforts of fixing society. As long as you are aware of these terms, I’m sure you’ll be able to find more peace within yourself if you choose to continue which is totally your choice to make. Don’t forget to use the tools in trp, coz this journey is not easy as I tried helping out both male and female but that only gave me redpill rage. I’m sure you’ll do better.
ssh00k 5y ago
As a male Singaporean student I think what op described about our schooling system is slightly outdated now. Most (if not all) schools have stopped caning and corporal punishment and nowadays I'd say the majority of male students are more masculine than in other Asian countries (given the Western influence in the younger generation). In fact most feminine behaviour is discouraged heavily for boys, especially by parents abd peers. Of course I'm not discrediting op's experience, just saying that what op went through isn't in practice anymore
justintruetho 5y ago
Even tho canning and corporal punishment has been greatly reduced, the female prefect and teacher power dynamics over boys still exist greatly. Just that they are now rebranded as the Merit-Demerit and detention systems. Hence a girl can still get you in trouble by ratting u out to other female prefects.
National service maybe the reason Singaporean men are perhaps less meek than let’s say a Filipino or Chinese, ur somehow the Korean national service had little to no effect on Korean masculinity.
ImpressiveDig 5y ago
As someone who studied in the public school system in Singapore, I've had similar experiences, in some regard. Girls were definitely let off easier than boys, but honestly at my school they were rather better behaved than the boys. In Singapore its so competitive that you don't have time to fuck around, the whole system is designed to push out ideal citizens who will work their asses off in the future. The percentage of trouble makers is rather low, especially at better schools. I didn't realize how much of a lack of independent thinking there was until I emigrated to Canada, alot of kids in Singapore are used to being spoon fed and wouldn't survive in situations where they had to think on their own. The caning thing is real though if you as much as challenge someone's views publicly you'll be looked at with scorn. Also you'll be caned and shamed publicly if you're caught smoking in uniform or drinking (something that most schools in the west wouldn't give two shits about), I would also like to add that because of the wave of Korean and Japanese cultural influence, many guys are feminine and not confident. There are extra-curriculars that push male bonding, like the national cadet corps but not everyone joins those.
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As one of few Asian male who hit the gym regularly here in The Netherlands I have to say something which I don't like to: a large portion of Asian male are fucking feminine as fuck and can't stand up for themselves.
I have nothing against family oriented values in Asia, but it is so fucking dissapointing that nearly all Asian parents never encourage the kids to go to the gym work out, always focus on the fucking study and study. No gf til you get an Phd. Going to out to pick up girls is a waste of time. Dont fuck foreign girls because they do not know our language and our culture. Although I am doing nicely career wise (finishing my CS bachelor and starting my own investment\algorithmic trading bussiness) thanks to my parents encouragements and investments, they never encourage me to do anything besides studying. They even discouraged me from hitting the gym a few years ago because they thought every one who are at the gym are uneducated meat heads (which is far from the truth).
Truth be told, if you are an Asian and swallow the pill, stop caring about the whole race thing and should instead focus on yourself. Asians or Caucasians or Africans or Arabs, we are all MEN and we should be focus on improve ourselves mentally (frame and game) and physically (train like a demon, because respect can only earned by strength and honor.)
These redpill concepts exist in all races, so learn from each other. Life is unfair, but you can make it fair for yourself.
Anyone from all races: dont let your race or family affects you. Always remember:
Iron Rule of Tomassi #9 -"Never Self-Deprecate under any circumstance."
splunx 5y ago
LOL Its true. Its so funny to see in asian families, the daughter usually ends up a hypergamous slut, and the son usually ends up being virgin
u-had-it-coming 5y ago
Do you find hard bangin and dating in Netherlands as an Asian?
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justintruetho 5y ago
My aunt (Asian side) constantly tells my cousin to let her and his sister vet through any girl he is interested in before asking her out. He is actually happy about it because he “at least” has the hopes of being able to date and his mates wished their parents even considered that.
Asian parents are misinterpreting the MGTOW mentality horribly wrong to the point that their kids turn into incels.
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gbdoragnic 5y ago
It's really not that simple as someone who always had a little of the pill in me, to keep that required psychopathic tendencies ,when everyone in your society, from teachers to preachers, and everything from parents to friend telling you to act one way.
Now here is why its so effective, because they teach you , you're a bad person and no one will love you if you act like this
> Truth be told, if you are an Asian and swallow the pill, stop caring about the whole race thing and should instead focus on yourself.
You make it seem men are blue do to a lack of effort, when it's knowledge based, understanding reality is important, young men today are directionless, the energy is there but to go against your parents and tribe takes something.
> Asians or Caucasians or Africans or Arabs, we are all MEN and we should be focus on improve ourselves mentally (frame and game) and physically (train like a demon, because respect can only earned by strength and honor.)
I Disagree, respect is earned by winning, honor is a man made dance, the more I love myself the more respect I get.
Training should be done to stay healthy , not as a way to get respect.
We are taught to hide the red pill for a reason, people don't give a shit about you, improving yourself is very condition on your path, a blue pill guy improving himself by working hard to marry a women, isn't doing him good, improving yourself is the easy part.
HiddenTog 5y ago
Winning definitely gets you respect so long as you did it honorably. Otherwise you are seen as dishonest and untrustworthy. That may work for single conflicts but multiple repeat games, you will loose.
Honor is a universal value held by men (among several values and characteristics). Respect is earned because men value your abilities as a man- you know what you say you know, you can pull your own weight, you do what you say you will do, and you have principles.
I definitely agree that Asian men (any man) should focus on their own personal growth and improvement
And should read “The way of men”
therealfanofmadrid 5y ago
Well I am Asian. I can kick ass of 90 percent of western guys of my age and I believe I am smarter than those 90 percent too
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DoxMeISupportTrump 5y ago
This post wasn't a call for racism last I checked.
gbdoragnic 5y ago
> it is also a smart survival instinct to survive in school to constantly think few steps ahead to ensure the prefects will not pick on them and risk their pride and safety.
This is why nice guy TM isn't some psycho thinking he is owed sex but a guy who doesn't want to treat women badly, TRP teaches you what you thought was wrong was actually the proper way of acting (Putting yourself first).
> So think twice if you plan to move to Asia if escaping the effects feminism is one of your reasons, because it is not that different when you think about it.
The more beta your competition the easier it is for you , just don't approach incorrectly
93nuggets 5y ago
Or move to Asia because they are so blue pilled, you will be king of the betas.
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Invalidity 5y ago
When you're Asian, the women don't want you unless you come from a culture that is popular (think Korean). This is applicable to Chinese, Vietnamese, Filipino, etc. women.
Combine that with the fact that Asian men don't generally have masculinity instilled in them, and that's what you get. I was raised in a household that wasn't strong on masculinity; they preferred that I respect the law and order of things and to go with the flow. I had to undo that conditioning on my own, whereas so many other men have failed.
Asian cultures are built upon enforcing order. The majority of its citizens aren't expected to become anything other than loyal worker bees.
The benefit for foreigners (especially White men) to move to Asia is that they have a heightened level of attractiveness as compared with the native men. However, if you came over to an Asian country because you had no shot with women in your native country, you're going to have a bad time and you'll probably end up going broke on prostitutes.
justintruetho 5y ago
Plus the fact that being collective and submissive are inherently feminine traits which unfortunately is the dominant social structures Asians are built on. Hence why Asian Women are so desired globally but not Asian Men
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Lol, keep on ignoring biology. We are biologically different, we evolved to be different. Why do Blacks have on average higher test and estrogen, and why do asians have lower test? It's not all culture, and you know it. Race plays a bigger part.(not saying an asian can't be alpha, or a black person can't be civilized and collected, but statistically they're less likely to)
LucidTramontane 5y ago
Black people do not have significantly higher testosterone than other races, only about 2-4% which translate to nothing. If anything, it has been reported that Latin men are higher in test than both non-hispanic whites and blacks. Stop spreading false information.
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Sure you do, Diego
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3455741
There you go, faggot
LucidTramontane 5y ago
Time for me to school the ignorant.
CONCLUSIONS: Contrary to the postulated racial difference, testosterone concentrations did not differ notably between black and white men. However, blacks had higher estradiol levels. Mexican-Americans had higher testosterone than whites but similar estradiol and SHBG concentrations.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17456570/
Black more likely to be gay
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220120/White-people-likely-gay-Huge-study-reveals-highest-proportion-homosexual-people-African-American-community.html
Not to mention Latinos constantly kick blacks out of neighborhoods and kill them. They are wiping them out.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-gang-firebombing-20180405-story.html
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2007/latino-gang-members-southern-california-are-terrorizing-and-killing-blacks
Truth must hurt.
Lib3rtarianSocialist 5y ago
Biology plays a part, of course. Nobody denies that I thought?
I saw somewhere that this is false. Not sure.
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It's false they just have higher test than whites, but they have higher test AND estrogen. Just higher test would mean they were sme manly ubermensch, which as much Hollywood tries to brainwash us with, we know it isn't true. Higher test and estro levels mean they're more volatile, have more frequent outbursts of emotions like women, and experience the spectrum of emotions faster(they can be normal one moment, and chimp out and attack in the next, "0 to a 100 real quick")
Wdwdash 5y ago
Serious question: are you saying these rules apply to both fancy Asian and jungle Asian?
DoxMeISupportTrump 5y ago
Yes to fancy Asian. Hikikomori in Japan is a thing for a reason.
Jungle Asian: Absolutely, in a weird way. All the "Jungle Asian" cultures have tremendous amounts of transgenderism and impaired masculinity. The stipulation to that is that the countries also seem to have higher amounts of sociopaths, which is kind of alpha I guess?
masterhan 5y ago
Feminism barely exists in Asia when you compare it to the West. I'm American Asian and anytime I'm anywere in Asia I feel like a king. The men I meet with act like kings and are constantly doing shit you 100% cannot do here in the USA. If anything the elite Asians keep the rest of them down.
DoxMeISupportTrump 5y ago
This is what I mentioned in another post. I honestly wonder if there is genuinely a beta male "Asian" community issue or if it's just a misidentification of the 80/20 rule. I've absolutely known elite/alpha asian dudes that have their way with women, but I've known many more beta ones who are complete nerds - and it's just the same with white guys and hispanic/black guys (although these communities are beta in different ways, not in a nerd way).
masterhan 5y ago
It's just how Asian society is set up. They put $$$ in front of everything else and those at the top live like royals. Tons of entertainment and dumb shit to keep the masses entertained and well dumb. Go out and hit the clubs in Bangkok, Saigon, Seoul, Tokyo, etc and it's easy to see. Spend more time in the cities and you'll see how so many things are setup literally to please men.
justintruetho 5y ago
Ofcoz the 80/20 rule applies, my post shows how Asian education sets Asian men to be in the lower 80% on a globalized scale. Meaning the top 20% in Japan may not make it in the top 20% globally.
DoxMeISupportTrump 5y ago
That's not what I was saying, I was arguing that this whole Asian community crises is a falsehood, and the 80/20 rule still applies in the face of the whole world.
TheRealEtherion 5y ago
Talking about South Korea, Feminism exists there without a label. Just look at this video and it'll tell you everything. Reading the comments is a bonus. Women in the comments actually think these sad pathetic and lonely Women are thriving. I'd normally feel pitiful but they brought this on themselves.
https://youtu.be/kmwfNdUbd4c
xxludinxx 5y ago
Most of this is largely attributed to Confucianism. The Confucian school of thought has largely dominated East Asian culture, school of thought, and society for thousands of years and has been ingrained in their perspective and way of life. Confucianism stresses the idea of an hierarchy in relationships (ex: ruler to subject, father to son, elder brother to younger brother, friend to friend) as well as a hard work ethic and importance of maintaining social harmony in society. This effectively destroys creativity, questioning of authority, and individualism and leads to submissiveness to authority, collectivity, and lack of independent thinking. Thus Confucianism has cucked East Asian societies.
It was used by rulers and Emperors in the past to indoctrinate their subjects so they wouldn't rebel against their rule, thus the individuals who did or didn't adhere to Confucian values were killed or in the lower rungs of society, thus natural selection killed off many alphas and the beta traits advocated by Confucianism was spread amongst the population.
In contrast not all Asians societies are like this, those Asian societies that are outside the Confucian sphere of influence such as Mongolia and Northern China produce a large porportion of alpha males who are individualistic. Mongols and Northern Chinese men aren't seen as beta do not fit the stereotype. Just go to Mongolia or North China and you will see that the effects of Confucianism hasn't taken hold on those populations.
InstigatingDrunk 5y ago
Very interesting perspective.
Davvids 5y ago
I am Chinese, and can confirm this is true, at least I feel this way. Confucianism preaches the word “中庸”, which means mediocre. Here in China, most people strive to be mediocre. They would work their ass off just to be mediocre at everything. They would settle for a mediocre house, mediocre car, mediocre wife, and a mediocre life in general. It seems funny because why would you put all that work in, if you just wants to be mediocre? I hate this type of mentality as much as I hate the Baltimore Ravens.
justintruetho 5y ago
I agree but I think the more suitable word is "humble". The definition of "humble" is to have the lowest estimate of one's self importance, which is betafying in essence. Making Asians more submissive rather than dominant.
_Ozu_ 5y ago
Equating "individualism" with being alpha male is American brainwashing. There are many examples of alpha males existing in a collective, for example, Ancient Sparta, or even in modern times in the SS and other special forces military units.
DoxMeISupportTrump 5y ago
This is the problem I have with his theory. There has never been an individuality = alpha idea. Quite the opposite - look at all the beta-male soy lovers who dye their hair green and get a liberal arts degree.
brokegirl11 5y ago
I have no idea if what you are saying is true but it is very interesting and would love to know where I can get more (credible) information.
xxludinxx 5y ago
Sorry I meant to include two assertions: 1) Confucianism 2) rice farming ( I made another comment above) here’s the reference:
This has to do with rice theory, Asian societies mostly grow rice for thousands of years and this has shaped their psychological profiles. One can see this evidently in the psychological differences between the people of northern and southern China which mirror the differences between community-oriented East Asia and the more individualistic Western world – and the differences seem to have come about because southern China has grown rice for thousands of years, whereas the north has grown wheat.
There was a study done, here is the link: https://news.virginia.edu/content/rice-theory-explains-north-south-china-cultural-differences-study-shows
Rice farming requires extensive amount of labor and cooperation between individuals on large plots of land, so in order to be successful agriculturally, people in the society had to be agreeable with one another which leads to holistic interdependency and cooperativeness. This is evident in East Asian Communities that had a tradition of growing rice, Southern China, Japan, Korea, and Vietnam so the people who are descendants of rice farmers developed these personality traits as a result.
However, if we look at other Asian societies that have never grown rice agriculturally, such as Mongolia and Northern China, the personality and behaviors of the people are individualistic, independent, opinionated and aggressive. Northern Chinese men and Mongols have more alpha traits and war-like nature compared to their rice farming counterparts elsewhere in Asia. For example, If you compared the men in Northern China and compare them to the men in Hong Kong, the difference is striking. This explains why all the Chinese fighters in the UFC are northern Chinese men, such as Song Yadong (from Heilongjiang province) and Song Kenan( from Hebei province) and why Mongols conquered half the world from Genghis Khan.
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krowitz 5y ago
This is true to an extent. The only difference with the west is that, in most of Asia, people still hold on to their traditional values.
I agree with everything OP said about the education system.
Feminism here in Asia is almost the same as how it is described in TRP, except probably in China. There was a period of time where Chinese are only allowed to have a single child. With abortion being allowed in their culture, that generation produced a lot of spoiled 'man-children'. These people are naturals, without any pressure to perform and be better, with having everything laid out for them. Talk to some chinese women and they will tell you how women do not exist when in a relationship with these 'man-children'. Those women are versions of what you call alpha widows in this sub. Women still have no power on those parts.
In South Korea, Japan, Philippines, Malaysia and some other nearby countries, Western influence has already taken hold. The situation is how you western people experience it too, but slut-shaming and chastity still works to an extent as a deterrent to full-blown hypergamy. As long as it can be done discreetly, everyone is fair game. Divorce rape is not much of an issue as in the west. Most people here still value reputation and not tarnishing their family names.
So in conclusion, as someone who is from Asia, who travels around nearby countries for work, and based on my own observations, you can still come here if you want to escape feminism. It won't last that long though because everything is shifting towards western culture, especially in the big cities.
Just go pick a place far from the cities, you will be king, I just can't promise you how long it will last.
As a bonus, some commenters here say people here are blue-pilled as fuck. Yes, they are.
TheLanternFlame 5y ago
This is my take on this for SEA:
I had experienced this first hand since I'm an Asian living here in the Philippines, and all I can say is that pretty much men here are purple pill, which is to say they have vague ideas of being a true red pill, then apply it with their blue pill fantasy and when shit got hit, those men don't know what to do, or worst they suicide.
Men are taught subtlely to let go and be meek, understanding, never go into fights unless really needed to, money dictates everything, girls find successful men to pin down, girls would then be meek/controlling of the relationship. There are some good thing and a lot of bad things if these are taught to men. But if you see a lot of Asian movies (martial arts specifically) why does majority of the people watch them? That's because we want to be to them, our DNA cries for conflict and being able to best other people. But our upbringing halts/prevents us from it and now we suffer from that setbacks. The shitty me as a kid would have Jet Li, Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan as my fave actors cuz they kick some shit. But in school and society, we are taught that we should listen to women and their shits.
Only the top 15-20% have been experiencing the good shit because they have the money, fame, success, but if you will count the men's happiness level, most of the time you'll find it from the lower middle tier to low tier families. The top fams have their shit taken from their 'ideal women™' cuz they are supposed to be angelic and very unicorn in their eyes. Truth is if they had known much better, stories have already circulated that those very 'ideal women™' had been in the cock carousel for years and ofc just playing the angelized version on screen for publicity purposes. Women here are known to be exotic and are popularized by media as the 'most friendliest' (double check that again cuz media said so) in the world. Thru poverty, they learn to sell themselves as such and would be a wolf in sheep's clothing. My uncle was also rich, yet since he married his wife which is a pleb, their lives went to shit land and could never get back up even if he worked twice as hard, but his wife wouldn't leave him, cuz free lodging and money. He fantasized while having vague red pill thoughts would lead to demise.
justintruetho 5y ago
What happened to ur uncle happens far too much in the expat community too, lots of western men were misled by the media thinking that they can be more of a “man” around Asian women with lower thresholds. And they taught they hit the jackpot as their wives wouldn’t leave them. Eventually they get more and more cucked while their wives always look for side pieces with the other Asian housewives who married expats.
TheLanternFlame 5y ago
I've been learning from the community for the past year already and has learned a lot from it. Though I've tried sharing it to other men, only one accepted and is starting to learn from here. After reading this last year, I've known that since I live in a colonized murican country, it will eventually happen. Though religion and being a close community helps in some way, but it (feminism) will eventually come and shit around here. And it will shit for a long long time once integrated to the system.
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DoxMeISupportTrump 5y ago
This is true, especially in Asia. I think people don't understand how different rural life is from city life, even in the states or Europe. I took a trip back to my hometown recently, which is bumfuck nowhere Kansas. Was a feel good reminder to just see happy people, submissive beautiful wives with genuine strong men. Many beautiful people, considering most are ancestors of immigrants from places like Sweden and Germany.
justintruetho 5y ago
Even though hypergamy isn’t as obvious as the West, I believe it is still as strong in the East but implicitly. Not a day of my clubbing days in the East where I don’t see a middle aged married woman cheating on a younger guy. Many of the husband of these women end up getting hookers too when their wives wouldn’t give them any at home.
This shows that social control can not compensate for the weakness of a man.
krowitz 5y ago
True. Hypergamy is hypergamy, everywhere and anywhere. Feminized guys here play the same game, they are actually turning into women as well. I work in a department with 100 guys, and less than 5 still know how to use tools and fix shit. Not that it is a measure of masculinity, but most guys here know more girly stuff than guy stuff. The advice you get from guys and girls here are practically the same.
InstigatingDrunk 5y ago
Makes sense. Men used to do shit for the survival of the family. Now everything is automated and manual labor can be done with an app. Most beta men spend most of their time like women, on social media
flapjacksrbetter 5y ago
Asians in america are 99% weak. Most play games. Dont even work out. Poor socializing skills
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8xin1nite 5y ago
My gf is Asian, her Asian male friends all seemed to have swallowed the ‘passive aggressive’ redpill . If that makes sense. It’s like deep down they wanna redpill but gets frustrated, petty and child like when their women gets their way.
beachbbqlover 5y ago
Passive aggressive redpill?
I think you're confused. Getting mad during a divorce, for example, does not a redpill make. The difference is not the anger. The difference is the awareness and change from anger to corrective action which makes you no longer angry.
DropDeadTyrant 5y ago
Does this not exist in Western schools too? I remember everyday in middleschool. The teachers constantly shoved down our throats, "The girls mature faster. The girls are going to do great things. The girls are really smart". Never once did a teacher commend a guy for a good essay(besides me, because my natural ability is writing), never did a teacher commend a guy for playing his instrument well(one of my friends played sax extremely well, but the girl sax player who was ass, always got the support), nor did a guy ever get off for a light joke or a playful punch(meanwhile, girls could straight cuss and attack each other while the teachers said it was, "girls being girls").
This happens, at least in America, all the time. I don't know why you say it occurs the most in Asia.
Wabbajak 5y ago
I also blame our current school system which is entirely focused on discipline, dull repitition and following orders: Students who are able to sit still, listen to the teacher's instructions, never ask critical questions and do as they are told are rewarded. On average girls tend to be more agreeable (being nice and compliant, cooperative and follow orders without wanting to risk an argument) and are more conscientious (orderly and industrious when it comes to following an objective).
Notice how the description of your average teenage boy is anything but what was said above. Boys have a high drive to go out and move, tell jokes and do pranks. Their brains need more dopamine in order to get motivated and do things (partially why boys are prone to be addicted to video-games or masturbation, both of which provide huge amounts of dopamine). In addition, boys have a natural inclination to compete with other kids, to one up whenever they can. Sitting still in a slow and boring environment while listening to teachers is the opposite of what any boy wants and what drives their motivation circuitry.
Male virtues such as challenging authorities and choosing to act on one's own behalf by being highly competitive instead (low agreeableness), the ability to solve problems in creative ways and not be dependent on following well established routes (low conscientiousness) are punished instead.
justintruetho 5y ago
Yes I agree that it happens both places but in my experience it’s more prevalent in Asian schools.
Plus, in western schools female students simply do not have the same sort of power dynamics over male students besides sexual assault accusations that our Asian counterparts do too. Imagine getting physically harmed by women and girls for being a boy on a grand scale, that is something that simply has not happened here in the west yet.
cptkong 5y ago
I think this is part of the reason why prostitution do so well in these part. Men can't attract real women so they turn to the easy way out, money=sex. I'm from Thailand, and prostitution supposed to be illegal under any circumstances. Well, we all know the infamy of Thailand's prostitution.
HonestyOverCivility 5y ago
Societies with “Traditional Values” (I.e. bluepill) basically preach that if you study and get a good job you’ll be rewarded with happiness, a family (women), etc. Why? because for the most part this worked in decades past; hell even in western societies this mentality used to be valid.
However, western society has changed radically and eastern cultures are starting to follow in our wake. Unfortunately for American born Asians, their parents are still operating with that “traditional values” mindset so that’s what they drill into their sons, not realizing that the rules are different here. Women don’t need dutiful beta providers like they used to...they have their own incomes and when they don’t, big daddy government steps in to help. Accordingly, women can focus on getting the tingles that only an Alpha can provide because the rest is taken care of
Winterwolf98 5y ago
Where i come from, it's the opposite people here think Western people are weak and feminine, yet the new generation is beta as hell, thank God my old man was a total badass and taught me the alpha ways.
justintruetho 5y ago
which region are you from? Latin?
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cptkong 5y ago
I can vouch for this. I'm Thai and when I talk about starting a business or do stuff outside of how things are thought to be done. I got rediculed by parents, teacher, friend or even stranger sometime. At the end of the day I don't really care though so all good.
DoxMeISupportTrump 5y ago
I don't see it honestly being shed though. There's ALWAYS been offsets of alphas from every culture. Literally look through history books and you'll find offsets of subsected alpha Asian communities. It doesn't mean anything. When I go to a uni campus, the average Asian is still a bowlcut stick figure with acne and glasses. Rarely I'll see one who obviously works out or has an alpha gait.
Tbh this applies for every community. I'm starting to think that this isn't so much an Asian community issue as it is the 80/20 rule.
RPInjectionToTheVein 5y ago
U probably would of been eaten alive in the Asian schooling system with how much I rebelled against authority/my problem childness.
I cringed reading this schooling is so lame.
0fficialRider99 5y ago
I want to believe her but my heart says it’s bullshit.
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