Throughout the month of September, we are taking out old posts, dusting them off and bringing them to you as an RPW refresher course. This week we are covering the broad strokes of RPW and this post in particular is the very backbone of the sub.
We are often asked what makes someone an RP Woman. Ladies come in and want to know if their past, their weight, their politics prevent them from being RPW.
RPW isn't a lifestyle. It doesn't mean being a SAHM who bakes bread while ironing her husband's underwear. It doesn't mean that you can't have a job or that you must have one. And while we recognize the reality of male attraction to beauty, it doesn't mean being a waif in a June Cleaver dress.
If there is such a thing as a real RPW, she is a woman who understands the tenets below and uses them to guide her actions.
The Official Axioms of RPW:
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The belief that if you want to have a good partner, you have to be a good partner. This means having some understanding of what men want in a partner, and in particular, what your man wants in a partner, and then using that information to become the best version of yourself you can be. For this reason, self-improvement and self-awareness are fundamental components of RPW.
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Truth is more important than feelings and truth is measured by results.
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The understanding men and women have different natures and preferences. They have different strengths and weaknesses, and different sexual strategies.
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The fundamental SMP transaction is, Women are gatekeepers of sex, men are gatekeepers of commitment.
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The acceptance that we are all flawed. In that umbrella we hold the belief that many red pill terms are largely true about us. AWALT, hypergamy, shit testing, etc. However the meaning of these terms is open for debate.
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The idea that relationships generally work better if the man is in charge. It is a preferred relationship to both the man and the woman. This is due to the inherent dominant nature of men and submissive nature of women.
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The ultimate goal for a woman is a long lasting relationship with a man who she loves, respects, and is attracted to.
- Every woman ultimately bears agency for her outcome and satisfaction with life. One of her most important responsibilities is choosing a man worthy of her trust and devotion.
These are the distinguishing features of RPW that make it “RPW”, rather than any generic relationship subreddit. These features are the broad umbrella for which all posts must fall under, and within these very broad constraints is where we allow disagreement and discussion. The understanding of what these things are will keep discussion on topic and prevent the subreddit from becoming a debate sub to defend basic principles.

SunshineSundress 4y ago
My favorite part about these axioms is how it really allows almost every woman from all walks of life to use the RPW toolbox, if she chooses to. No matter your circumstances, there is no such thing as a hopeless case. It’s just up to the individual woman to have the agency to make the most of the hand she’s dealt.
Pola_Lita 4y ago
I like this idea. It should really help in clarifying, and probably much more than browsing through long-ish essays for quotes to help make a point. This one though:
I understand these words as names for negative qualities. But as long as the actual definition is up to the individual, I don't understand how they can represent a core principle. Except to the individual members themselves, I mean.
Am I not getting it?
pearlsandstilettos 4y ago
Its an odd line to be sure.
Debate may be the wrong word. It is reasonable to say "this is how I understand hypergamy in my life" but not "I don't believe in hypergamy"
There are definitions of the terms but because they were created by the men's side, there is also room for us to discuss the nuance.
LuckyLittleStar 4y ago
I agree that it is probably poorly worded. My goal was that people wouldn't be able to throw around whatever definition they wanted without expecting some pushback, while the wording seems to imply that people can come up with any definition that want.
Even on the men's side there's not a 100% agreement on what these terms mean. While I would take the vanguards words on what most of these words mean, my own definitions differ from some of them. Even they don't agree on everything.
free_breakfast_ 4y ago
I like your post you had written, it was simple and clear - I feel that you had accomplished your goal as the proof is in the pudding and we have it reposted here today :) Thank you for writing it.
free_breakfast_ 4y ago
Adding on to u/pearlsandstilettos comment on how the the core axioms of "Red Pill" principles are generally in the same foundational direction (within this framework), but can have additional nuance when viewed from the red pill men's perspective vs red pill women's perspective.
Whenever anyone is participating in any subreddit community on reddit, the norms is to discuss the ideas and topics in relationship to the main ideas and core theories of that community (one wouldn't post about new age mysticism techniques on dealing with depression in a cognitive behavioral therapy subreddit unless it connected to the ideas of science and principles of therapy techniques in some way). Even if one were to disagree with the ideas or have their own beliefs and understanding from a different perspective, one can still express their strong disagreements and sentiments BUT you still have to give respect to that community and the leading voices within by fostering discussions in relationship to that communities values, interests, and beliefs.
This can be done through: intelligent discussion, respectful manners, good faith disagreement, playing devils advocates in a compassionate manner, opening contrarian theoretical ideas and participating in conversation with positive regard (with the intent on fostering community growth), etc.). All of this is done while keeping in mind that the core principles and axioms of the community will be centered around THEIR 'main ideas' and core theories.
Hypergamy
Where I found this idea of examining the nuance in further details on some of the 'negative' qualities that RP axioms discuss when it comes from each 'individual member themselves' and how they define it, the best ideas from the viewpoint of community members who've done their homework and put their time investment into their study naturally comes from endorsed contributors.
This is a permalinked comment from an EC (I think) 3 years ago on what hypergamy is like from a women's perspective (the main post is definitely from an EC, I think the comment is likewise from the same EC; she had a lot of great posts/comments).
Browsing TheRedPill, I would likely have never gotten a deeper insight into the lived psychological experience of a woman's perspective on her instinctual feelings of hypergamy around attractive men which drastically differs from the behavioral and psychological experience of a mans experience of being around attractive women.
There is no moral judgement and implications behind studying the psychology of human behaviors from the Red Pill perspective. What it does give us (anybody) are a set of tools on empathizing and understanding the opposite sex as well as frameworks on fostering our personal relationship goals in life. And how to compassionately work towards self-regulating our animal instincts in pursuit of the intentions we've willingly set, rather than our unchecked base level emotional whims and desires.
Pola_Lita 4y ago
I should have thanked you for posting this and I didn't.
Thanks :)
SunshineSundress 4y ago
That’s a fantastic comment about hypergamy. I absolutely agree with your take here.
Pola_Lita 4y ago
AFAIK, "lizard brain" has little involvement outside of fight or flight, with the tendency to sexually objectify (or the lack of it) coming from nature/nurture instead.
But either way then, why would we consider the "hyper"-ness to be in the woman's act of comparing the newcomer to her man, when her man is wanting every woman in the room, including those not involved in the current conversation? Or at least why don't we assign this to both male and female?
To me, this statement:
says not only is there a negative judgement on it but that it's considered a specifically female trait as well.
One other that has always bothered me, where does the "gamy" (gamos, marriage) part come into it? We didn't marry when our brains were less developed and our modern brains are too smart to even act on it. The word makes better sense in its original use.
And (one more :) ) Is the woman at the party comparing the two men sexually? Surely that comparison requires conscious thought? What has convinced us that the man is unaware of his thoughts about the breasts, etc. of the other women at the party? We definitely know he's aware enough not to get caught looking.
Thanks, lots. I've never felt there was a good place to ask these things before.
free_breakfast_ 4y ago
I'm not an EC on the men's or women's side of Red Pill, take everything I say as a random guy who has read a lot of red pill theory over the years on both forums and is on 'team humanity'.
I do feel that RPW is one of the very rare and few communities that are open to discussing human nature and relationships outside of the perspective of social ideological consensus (feminism, religion, politics: democratic/republican belief systems, most social sciences, tradcons, liberals, socialists, rationalists, etc.).
This is from the wiki on the Triune Brain Theory: Reptilian, mammalian, and neomammalian brain complexes.
Hypergamy
There's likely a really great writeup on hypergamy somewhere on the men's redpill, but GSearch/reddit/(the powers that be) has a censor on their search engines and reddit search function has likewise always sucked.
This is the wiki on hypergamy. Hypergamy is a real term used in the social science field and has been academically researched.
This is attributed to women because all (most) of the documented literature and present day research studies point towards (show a very strong relationship) women ''marrying up'' as far back as the 19th century when this was found while translating Hindu law books from the Indian subcontinent (reference the wiki on hypergamy).
This conclusively points towards the paradigm of hypergamy from a sociological perspective and its correlations and is expressed even more strongly in countries/regions where there's a disparity in technology, education, and quality of life services (medical care, internet, reliable electricity, running potable water, heating and cooling, medicine, entertainment, etc.):
This is where the art and science of relationships come into place. Real life is not a sterile research lab where you can cite a bunch of research like I did above and have it act as capital T reality (nor as 'consensus reality').
Many elements of Red Pill theory comes from a "state of nature" (this is coming from the "Back to Basics September: Male Attraction v Female Attraction" that was recently posted today).
This is primarily done because at the current moment, it's not within humanities current capabilities to morally and scientifically run human experiments on such a massive scale and control all of the variables to test for evolutionary behaviors and correlations.
If you're any familiar with evolutionary psychology, TheRedPill draws upon core concepts of 'evo psych' in an attempt to understand human nature and behaviors and using this dual approach of sociology and 'EP' attempt to make it make sense for men who 'do not get it' (this has many pros and cons, but let's not get into those for today).
Mate selection plays a large factor in this theory and praxeology.
Wiki on Mate choice in humans: Female mate choice (short-term mating strategies section)
Hypergamy does refer to marrying up, and when TheRedPill discusses women who seek advantaged mates when it comes to status, socioeconomics, and genetics - they're likely discussing the evolutionary psychology side and 'state of nature'. Most of us here are not scientists though and are just everyday normal people who are looking to maximize their sexual strategy in life.
The reason why we say that women are hypergamous and men are hypogamous is due to our evolution. It's commonly accepted in these evolutionary theories that the parental investment of a nine-month pregnancy, childbirth, the time period for breast feeding, and the vulnerabilities that exist during and after pregnancy as well as limited life time supply of egg cells make women A LOT more choosier than men when it comes to sex. This pushes women into wanting the best mate that she can find in contrast to men who can produce 12 million sperm cells per hour and can choose a r-selected sexual strategy with minimal childcare investment.
This in turn creates the paradigm where high value women are the 'gate keepers of sex', and high value men are the 'gate keepers of relationships'.
I find it best to simplify this into an analogy.
AWALT simply means that there exists clear differences between men and women on an evolutional, psychological, and biological level and this can be represented as a radio with a set of knobs that represent women's level of:
On the men's side, we treat AWALT like 'a loaded gun'. Even though we can empty the clip, we still treat the gun with respect and act as if the gun is still loaded.
Men who 'get it', knows that AWALT does not literally mean ALL women are like that, but we still 'act as if', especially for the younger inexperienced men on there.
Pola_Lita 4y ago
Ha! There is so much stuff in here.
Thank you very much. :)
I don't exactly understand what you're saying about AWALT but I will ask another day. My browser's going to get stuck from too many tabs. :)
Holzmann 4y ago
I stumbled over that too, because as far as I can tell, the meaning of those terms is pretty well established. Maybe that needs to be rephrased from “meaning” to “degree” in the sense that the terms are based in truth, but the degree to which they apply varies individually.
Pola_Lita 4y ago
I'm mostly needing definitions that make the terms sensible enough to be part of a logical exchange.
I understand s***-testing. I don't do it but I have done it and I've seen it done. That one's fine.
Hypergamy is a problem. Currently I'm reading and thinking about some of the posts above, so we will see.
AWALT is useless, except in the case of our classification as mammals. Really, the idea that ALL women do or share anything else identically is nutty. MWALT is what I think we should be using. Most Women Are Like That.
At the same time as all this, though, I want to be able to participate. As I said, we'll see. This is a help just in itself.
[deleted] 4y ago
yes, I think you get it.
AWALT for example, but to what degree? Can it be controlled, the hypergamy , the shit testing,etc.
LateralThinker13 4y ago
First you have to be aware you are doing it/predisposed to do it. Then you have to decide to manage it. Most women aren't even consciously aware of it; they simply perform as other women and their biology demand, no introspection engaged.
Pola_Lita 4y ago
Haha, yes. As I wrote in the reply above, AWALT is useless except in that we're all mammals. MWALT is better. Most Women.
S***-testing is the one I do understand. I don't do it now but I have done it and I've seen it done. I stopped doing it when not only was it pointed out to me but I was offered a more effective solution: ask.
Hypergamy. We'll see. I've seen so many definitions, from the original to some that are so silly and obviously self-serving I've been too embarrassed to respond. People are talking about it here now. That's going to help me.
[deleted] 4y ago
Hypergamy is simply trying to get the best you can. If you have a guy it doesn’t mean you aren’t attracted to a better guy. Whether it’s just physical or personality etc. does that mean you act on it? The grass is always greener is a good way to look at it. Plus it goes along with the hamster. The mind making it ok. A way to justify it or rationalize.
Pola_Lita 4y ago
That's a sensible description, though do we even need the word then? There's nothing hyper about it and no one gets married because of it.
HappilyMrs 4y ago
Very good :)