This is my first time posting on this sub. I’m (25f) dating this man (45m) (already went to two dates with him and it was amazing). He initiated the contact, asked for my social media, asked me out, planned the date etc. I truly felt we connected. He’s divorced and has two children, which is new to me, because I never got involved with a man this old. After our second date, I got a very strong flu and five days later I’m still recovering. He knew since the beginning and he was very attentive and supportive, always asking how I was, he even bought me the medication I needed and payed for my health expenses etc. He always said to me “you have to get better so we can meet again” and even today he said “it would be nice to go to the cinema, but only when you get better”, then couple hours later (this is on Friday night), he send me a message “what about you coming here to stay with me? So we can “cuddle” a little bit. I can pick you up.” And I was kinda shocked, because I’m still sick and he just contradicted himself and now I’m truly disappointed he sees me just as a booty call? I truly liked him, he was always so respectful and attentive… Of course I said no, and I said “I’m sick”, which he replied just like “
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warmfuzzyblankettt 4y ago
I don't like the sound of this guy. Sounds like he just wants sex with a younger woman. Nothing more than that. Remember these four words: Men Lie For Sex.
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pearlsandstilettos 4y ago
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Comrade_Witchhunt 4y ago
He's 45 and you're 25. You serve only one purpose for him, don't delude yourself into thinking he cares about you. You're younger than his kids could be, this isn't love at all, it's an old man's lusts.
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You’re instincts are right. He’s trying to use you as a booty call. He showed you his true colours.
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So a man was super nice (a little too nice imo) to you in the beginning, texting you all day and being very sweet, then ghosted you when you declined a short notice request to come over to HIS place to “cuddle”?
Nope nope nope. Don’t text him some kind of novel, don’t get upset, just give him some distance. Others are saying you’re overthinking this but I disagree. I also don’t think you hurt his feelings. I think he’s a middle aged man trying to get a 25 year old woman into bed. Now, maybe he texts you tomorrow with some explanation for the silence and it turns out he’s a great guy with honorable intentions and really DID just want to cuddle and had some homemade chicken noodle soup in the crockpot for you, ready to go. But I wouldn’t count on it. Any short notice request for you to bring yourself to his place like a Pizza Hut delivery is insulting imo. (Edit: okay, so he offered to pick you up. That makes it marginally better but not by much.) Especially when you’re sick. He could have dropped something off for you. Could have offered to come to YOUR place and do you dishes, bring you some food, etc. I’m just hella suspicious of this thing and I think it’s valid for you to feel hurt/skeptical/etc. Just don’t freak out on him while you’re feeling this way. Calm, kind, dignified distancing is the best move.
Look you didn’t ask for this advice necessarily but as a woman older than you I feel the need to say it. In the future if you plan to keep dating men his age: The relative worth of him paying for your health expenses and other contributions like this, is a lot less for him than you. $100 to a 45 year old is often no big deal compared to what $100 is to a 25 year old. Don’t overvalue his generosity. I’m not saying don’t be grateful. I’m saying have some perspective and understand that to a 45 year old with resources and an established career and healthy income, paying medical expenses in order to get into your pants isn’t exactly out of the question. Depending on his position in life, him paying for your bill could be like buying a latte or a tank of gas for him. Sorry if this is harsh. And again I’m not saying don’t be grateful I’m just saying maintain perspective and don’t take these gestures for more than what they are.
Niki_Biryani 4y ago
This is just BS. The guy haven't replied for 12 hours and people are claiming he is ghosting?
WTF world are you living in? He has been nice and has even paid for medical expenses. He asked her out and got rejected. He just needs some time. He has other responsibilities too. He has two children. Cut him a slack or he'll find a more reasonable person to date.
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Yeah I knew someone would reply like this. Agree to disagree. OP knows him better than any of us, so they can take in the sum total of everyone’s advice and make their own choice. It’s just an internet board, chill.
Niki_Biryani 4y ago
OP's own account totally disagrees with your nonsense.
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Ok.
ins0mniaa 4y ago
Thank you so much for this! He just message me with a “hi, how are you?” As if nothing happened. I won’t reply right now, I don’t know how to proceed, but this doesn’t change the fact he wanted me to come over while SICK for the seek of his pleasure. I can’t see him with other eyes right now.
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If you decide to continue seeing him, my rec would be to put him back at “dating square one” - aka don’t get mad or have a big long talk about all of this. Just put some distance and make him earn back any intimacy and closeness that he gained in those first 2 dates. He’s not stupid, his text to cuddle was 100% a test to see what you’d do. So no need to have a conversation about it, you already communicated a clear boundary when you told him no initially. Additional talking and analyzing just belabors the point. Just be classy and add some distance between the two of you. Maybe see another man, the same way you would have before you had those 2 dates with him and started feeling a connection with him. In other words if this was a game of chutes and ladders then his booty call text was a massive “slide backwards in the game” move. He will either work for it or he will decide “this one is too much work” and go find a true sugar baby type. (And if so, I hope he realizes it’s going to take a lot more than a prescription and an urgent care bill to make a sugar baby happy. Better get ready to cough up some Louis Vuitton money…)
Don’t feel like you owe him anything because of the $. A gift is a gift, period.
Candle_Playful 4y ago
Well said!
ins0mniaa 4y ago
Thank you again. You’re right. And tbh, before meeting him personally I thought about being his sugar baby, but then after meeting him I wrongly thought of him as a HVM, which made me want to be his gf actually and to behave accordingly. I never asked him for money, but in the end he assumed the “provider” role automatically… Now I got attached, but I think he sees me as just as a young naive girl for having fun… I will follow your advice.
fishingismygame 4y ago
Just cuz he asked to cuddle once? I think you’re overthinking this. Date him some more, if you don’t like him break it off. If you do like him, date some more, I think you’re overthinking this
girlwithasidecar 4y ago
This has gotten glossed over but I suspect is relevant to your attitude here. Where did you meet this guy, does he know this was on the table and have you sugared before? It tends to warp the way women view men when they engage in transactional relationships. It also might be why he is testing boundaries if he knows.
CountTheBees 4y ago
Yeah, that caught my attention too. Very important.
girlwithasidecar 4y ago
It's one of those things that is almost always relevant and almost always comes up as a side note in the comments. I have seen it time and time again and I really wish there was research to back up the fact that sex work is a problem for relationships (or that I had the time to look for research
CountTheBees 4y ago
I linked this in another comment recently; OnlyFans models can't find love.
And the article they discuss at the start.
Anecdotes only of course, but it's such a no brainer from their reactions. It definitely damages your future love/marriage prospects.
ins0mniaa 4y ago
I met him through a dating app, never mentioned “being” a sugar baby, because I never had a sugar relationship before lol, just thought about it. Well, he’s a successful businessman and since he was in a dating app, I thought he probably would just want to have fun. I didn’t want to catch feelings and such, you know the story… In the end of the day he’s a nice man and I was infatuated and I don’t even know how to bring any “allowance talking” now… I don’t even know if he knows what a sugar daddy is and besides that he still looks decent for a middle aged guy, he’s really charming, so he can have fun with other young women for free as much as he wants…
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FlappyDolphin72 4y ago
Honestly just wanting to know. How is this bad advice? Granted I’m only 19 so I don’t know much compared to everyone here what is good or not, but what she said sounded true. I mean dating a freshly out of college kid vs a decently well established middle aged man will be different.
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girlwithasidecar 4y ago
I do think there is a difference in how you view money as you get older. You are still young. Yes an adult but there is a difference from 25 to 40. It's not unreasonable to assume that he didn't drop an amount that he felt was significant even though it may have felt that way to her.
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rosesonthefloor 4y ago
Have your opinion, but the name calling seems unwarranted.
pearlsandstilettos 4y ago
Be polite or be quiet. Removed
ins0mniaa 4y ago
No, I’m not, but can’t say the same to you.
kayama57 4y ago
Well damn, did I strike a nerve?
I understand you’re concerned because they are willing to risk catching the flu from you for the sake of physical intimacy but not for the sake of going to the movies together. Kinda do see your point on the surface. The part where I think you’re being an idiot is in doubting the partner potential of this person because they’re taking some distance after you noped out of their attempt at some intimacy with you - and you still choose pride and even prefer to dump the whole relationship rather than reach out and confirm whether they’re being selfish dicks bc you didn’t bang them or perhaps they are afraid of invading your space after you turned them down or - who knows what? Basically the fact that your proposed alternatives are “wait for them to try again or just forget about them” tells me you are being entitled and arrogant about it. Maybe take a more curipus stance rather than treating everything like a test you want so see them fail.
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Candle_Playful 4y ago
As an active member in r/agegap with an 18 yr AGR, engaged and very happy with my life, I find all relationships like this rather funny.
All boys and men that contradict themselves, like another reply said, don't write a novel about it, point out the hypocrisy and then leave it there. Good men, good young men, and good older men, have the working brain cells to respect you and honor you, part of making sure your partner does that is by having a spine and not falling for red flags, or just things in general that rub you the wrong way. There's a lot of people that aren't compatible with us, which is why us having a spine and knowing when to leave is so crucial. I honestly think that knowing when to walk away and actually doing it if you see fit may actually be the majority of what makes another person respect us, because if they cared at all about us, they would've already thought about us leaving.
Anyway, the relationship may be too new to know if he's interested in what you're interested in in the long run, I know with my fiance, our first conversation was about our values and if our life goals aligned, which they did, and that's why we've been together for 5 years. Never settle for less, and if you don't know what you want, that's okay too, stay casual, but if you do know what you want, absolutely excersise your spine of steel, you'll find a wonderful man that way, they're out there, it just takes a minute to find them. Helps a lot to have that values conversation asap so you know if you're a good long term fit if that's what you want.
But yeah, this guy, I'd tell him off tactfully and swift. See what he says. 45 is the kind of age gap where they may be articulate with texting, or not. My fiance was, we had our talk via text through an app, 5 years ago he was 35. It depends on the person, if it rubs you wrong, ghost, there's always better in the dating world for women who know they're worth their salt. Never settle for anything but the best
donaldcargill 4y ago
I asked my former fiance over to cuddle many times and we never had sex. You don't know his intent. Even if he wanted sex, If you drop every guy who tries even at the beginning of the relationship then you are going to have a hard time finding a guy. A simple sweet I'm not feeling well but I would love to see you when I am feeling better would do.
Blackhawk2479 4y ago
Rather than trying to mind read, why don’t you wait and actually find out for a fact what his intentions are? If you want to see him again, see him again - as another commenter said, maybe he thinks you’re not interested and that’s why he’s gone silent?
Life is too short for nonsense. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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PollutionMindless 4y ago
This is the only comment I saw making sense lmaooo
Haunted_Bog_Water 4y ago
It's very rare that age gap ever works out or is ever genuine. When I was 22 I dated a 43 year old. It's just not good. I wouldn't recommend it. Just find someone closer to your age, you'll probably have better luck.
amadexodus 4y ago
Wait, so it's currently Saturday afternoon, and you're worried because he hasn't texted you since Friday night? He is divorced and has two children, so if he has at least partial custody, he may be taking care of them this weekend. He may have had something else to do. He's not necessarily giving you the silent treatment. Please relax.
Also, I wouldn't read so much of a "contradiction" into what he said. He may have thought you felt well enough to have a chill night with him rather than going out, hence his invitation to you. And I don't know how far you've gone on your dates, but he's a grown man who is interested in you. Most men will try to make something happen if they see a possibility of the answer being "yes," regardless of how serious or not serious they are about you. Him trying and you saying "no" at first is not a problem, just so long as he respects your answer.
I will say regardless of this situation, I am wary of the difference in your ages if this is how you react to his texting habits, for instance. Older men can talk really well and sound like they're offering you everything even when they're offering you nothing, because they're older and more experienced than you. Don't let this guy use your age to his advantage if something seriously feels off in your relationship -- and no, I don't thing this incident is "serious."
Jenneapolis 4y ago
After two dates, a man asks you to come over and cuddle. Whether you were sick or not, you can decline for whatever reason you would like, but I find that to be a pretty normal request in the modern dating world from a man (like it or not). They are going to try. Maybe his feelings are hurt. If it were me I would say something like “Aw I can’t I’m still sick but I’m so looking forward to seeing you when I’m better!!” he may just assume you’re not interested anymore and pushing him off. Paying for medical expenses after two dates is a lot so for whatever reason he’s trying to impress you, I wouldn’t get so worked up about this.
donaldcargill 4y ago
I love this response. Sweet and keeps the relationship going.
ins0mniaa 4y ago
But I said to him earlier “I would love to go to the cinema with you!” Which he was the one replying “but only when you get better”. I thanked him so much for what he did, and for me it is a lot what he did, that’s why I’m so disappointed.
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OP, relationship-minded men don't ask to cuddle after two dates. That's just malarkey. I went on 21 first dates, with my husband being number 21, all of them men I met on dating apps. NOT ONE asked me to come over and cuddle.
magmawing98 4y ago
He hasn't talked to you in a day and you are worried? Give him some time.
ins0mniaa 4y ago
The point is, he stopped talking to me when I refused to go meet him while sick. Can’t you see it? During all the week he was sending me good morning messages and asking if I was ok, then suddenly on Saturday he assumes I’m healed or is it because I didn’t do what he wanted me to do?
Ethman2k9 4y ago
I think you’re overthinking this
magmawing98 4y ago
You rejected him, regardless of the circumstances. All men are sensitive to rejection and when it happens, they need their alone time to heal. You have efficiently proven him that he is wrong about something and that hurt his feeling of competence. Women can't relate to that, so try to trust that he will call/text in a few days. If he doesn't and you really care, ask him. Breaking up is always an option and the easiest thing to do.
OkraGarden 4y ago
Guys who do this are typically just looking for a good time with a younger woman. If you're not able to entertain him in some way because you are sick, busy, etc. he is going to look elsewhere until you are available to him again. At least you are finding out early that's the kind of relationship he wants. If you are aiming for something more serious, he's not your best option because he is taking this down the "friends with benefits" route.
ins0mniaa 4y ago
That’s exactly what I’m thinking about this situation, too. Even though he was the one talking about marriage in the first place, about wanting to have more children bla bla bla. Paying for my medication, playing nice all this time. All of it just because he wanted p*ssy. Disappointed, but not surprised.
DuchessOfCarnage 4y ago
After two dates (or did he start on the first?) he's talking about marriage? He's future faking, and using his daily texts to move the timeline forward. You've met him twice. He's a stranger, you're a stranger. Why is he wanting to talk about having more kids with a stranger?
He's being irrational, best case scenario. Worst case, he's done this many times and knows it works to get relationship-minded ladies to let down their guard to give it up.
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ins0mniaa 4y ago
He saw me personally and talked to me on the phone. So he KNOWS I’m sick.
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rosesonthefloor 4y ago
I agree with the advice to see where it goes from here and just add a bit extra caution. He’s a grown ass man, he should be capable of understanding that you wouldn’t wanna cuddle with a man you’ve only been on 2 dates with while sick.
I also think it’s fair to give him a bit of the benefit of the doubt - maybe he was worried he was being too “into” you and didn’t want to scare you away, so he pulled back a bit. Maybe he has his kids today so he’s busy. Maybe he wanted to let you sleep in and didn’t want to text you early and risk waking you or something. Maybe he really did just want to try and get into your pants, but there are plenty of reasons why he could have done what he did, and not all of them are bad.
Also, as someone who dated a mid-40s guy in my mid-20s, older men just text differently than younger guys. If taking a bit longer to text you is all that it takes for you to question things, then maybe it’s not the right fit.
HotKaleidoscope91 4y ago
It’s disappointing, I know especially when you feel like there was the potential for a real connection, but when someone shows you their true colors through their actions just take their word for it. Him giving you so much attention but then going radio silent on you after you declined his booty call (while SICK no less) says a lot about the type of man he is. Remember even the devil could be charming.
Sankdamoney 4y ago
Could it be that he thinks you used him for money? Did he pay your medical bill directly to the provider, or did he give you the money? Maybe send him a text when you are better and ask about the movie, or offer to meet for a walk and bring him coffee?
ins0mniaa 4y ago
I didn’t even ask for his money. He payed himself and later he told me. He didn’t hand me the money. The same with the meds. I didn’t ask for anything