This message is a plea for help, but also a prayer.
I’m really struggling to be patient and joyful as I deal with the overwhelming desire to be a wife and mother. I’m 20 years old and am at a Christian college studying philosophy and theology. I’m motivated to study these things purely because I’m highly interested in the topics and have a very analytical and critical personality… learning about life’s biggest questions is helping me grow more confident in my faith, and I thank God for the ways he’s slowly but surely healing me from depression and perpetual doubt. I am not career-minded in my pursuit of a college degree. Perhaps it seems a bit odd, to be a an absolute “nerd” in two major fields of study but still only dream of being a stay at home mom. I think the things I’m learning in college about critical thinking, theology, and faith will really help me develop as an individual and equip me to better serve my future children. I’m learning all the homemaking skills I can in between my studies. I’m constantly looking for ways I can increase my preparation for raising a family and develop my character. The area I fail the most in consistently is emotional stability… it’s not really something I can rationally fix about myself. I’m trying to rely on the Lord and be patient, but it is challenging, and oftentimes, after a depressive episode or a generally moody/stressful day, I fall into sin for comfort. Then, I look at myself and feel completely discouraged, thinking to myself, “Who would ever want a wife like you with your mental issues? Do you really expect a man to desire you when you’re like this? What are you going to do with yourself and your degree when you’re all alone?” I know this mindset is one filled with lies from the enemy and leaves me vulnerable to the victimhood mentality, but I fall for it so, so often. And every time, I think the desires and emotions get more intense… like a volcano building up, ready to burst. I hate that my good-intentioned desire seems to be becoming an idol. I don’t mean for it to be like that. I’m afraid I’ll do something reckless in the future because of it…
If anyone could share advice on any of these matters, I’d really appreciate it. I know that I must keep my eyes focused on the Lord in all of this, and believe me, I am TRYING to do that. But, as the scripture says, “Hope deferred makes the heart ill.” My desires are still the same, no matter how much I pray for God to renew my mind and heart. I don’t want my illness and increasingly sad/bitter heart to keep me from obtaining God’s best for me.
Blessings~
Mirchii 2y ago
You can try one of those Christian matrimonial apps. There's loads of them for all three Abrahamic religions. I tried a few of the Muslim ones before.
Anonymous_fiend 2y ago
Don't be ashamed if you need to take meds. Or some herbal supplements. God helps those who help themselves. You may have a chemical imbalance that you can't regulate yourself. It could help you manage your emotional stability. Also if possible get some therapy for self worth insecurity. A lot of men don't care if you have some emotional issues as long as they're under control/you don't take it out on them or weaponize your feelings.
You're on the right path though. You know what you want and are surrounded by eligible men. You are taking the time to learn homemaking skills and know in what areas you need to improve. I think you're doing great for 20. Don't be so hard on yourself. Christian men are still men so while you are making your rmv higher make sure your smv is up to par too.
What do you mean by falling into sin for comfort? Is there a particular sin or vice you struggle with? SH, inappropriate social media use, promiscuity or seeking eternal validation, etc? Alcohol and drugs technically not a sin but will make your mental health worse.
Are you vetting or dating any of these men? You won't be around this many educated single Christian men out of school. Don't wait until your mental health is perfect to put yourself out there because you may miss out on a lot of opportunities that way. Just make sure you are able to have healthy boundaries and respect yourself though.
Upper_Put_6790 2y ago
I really, really appreciate your message. I really needed encouragement, and this is so helpful.
I’ve struggled with pornography, masturbation, and erotica/fantasizing from a very young age. That’s my sin of comfort I am most trying to work on. By busying myself with good tasks for relationship building and growing my relationship with the Lord, I am praying these habits lessen. It is discouraging to think that a man might turn away from me because of my history with these habits, and that thought causes me to spontaneously fall back into sin (I haven’t lost my virginity though). Discouragement and not feeling loved just makes me more vulnerable to these things.
I’m not currently in a relationship and have never been in one. I’m trying to put myself out there more, so your advice on that is really helpful.
Anonymous_fiend 2y ago
Np :) A man isn't likely to turn away from you because of these habits as long as it's in the past and you've shown that you've changed. If untreated porn addiction leads to low relationship satisfaction and sexual issues. It desensitizes you. Which will make it harder for a man to pleasure you and could make you prefer porn to sex. Busying yourself is great since the devil works with boredom. What about a faith based approach like celebrate recovery? Setting up gates are key. Support groups (even just online or r/nofap) can keep you accountable when you feel tempted. If dealing with it alone isn't working there's great resources out there. And don't feel ashamed to get help this is a pretty common issue in young adults. In fact I think you should explore your feelings of guilt and shame.
Empyrean_Truth 2y ago
Anyonymous_fiend is pretty spot on.
While not religious myself; my stance is:
It sounds to me like you have your 'comfort' moments pretty infrequently; but if it's something you wanted to change about yourself, taking more "present" hobbies such as rock climbing, gym, martial arts, crafts where you have to go somewhere in public are usually great places to enjoy things other than those temptations; while also being the #1 place to find men and or friends!
I don't believe masturbation, (personally) is anything to be deleteriously worried about; unless it's interfering with life or really frequent. If it is, you may want to visit therapy / consult a psychiatrist about an imbalance. If it's not crippling though, then I believe there are more productive focuses to gather effort on rather than
If your fantasy is basically having a group of men running a train on you, yes that is probably not appealing to many men that you would desire being shared. But if it's more or less vanilla, even bdsm stuff.. I haven't met a guy who thinks that would be an issue.
Though, regarding porn usage; I agree it's not great to do. (personally, I do feel erotica is not detrimental while porn is) I say this only because you wouldn't want to desensitize a vanilla experience into becoming "less than" the fantasy or idealized expectation.
What are you in doubt of? What is making you anxious?
Edit: Lots of stuff.
Confident_Young_2689 2y ago
Don’t take meds or antidepressants that stuff so bad for your hormones and will make you look out of shape
Strixt 2y ago
I guess I don’t understand the point of college debt with degrees that don’t pay the bills. If you were in college studying something in STEM and surrounded by tons of men who will go on to be successful in their careers. Yeah that is a great way to find a High Value man for sure. Lots of different stem fields at college have Christian clubs so that’s good to join.
You can study the Bible on your own. For free
You can rent a enormous amount of books from the library on theology and philosophy.
You can study the Bible with other women at groups/functions. For free
You can join building/faith journey missions through church to foreign lands.
You can go to church events where you meet women to discuss faith.
All of which gains you insight and knowledge, and amazing social skills from older, faithful, and hopefully successfully married women. Who often have sons, nephews, or in roads to find/suggest HVM they can drop a line to you once they see how faithful of a girl you are.
I guess as you can see I am concerned with your choices. How are your current choices bringing you closer to high value Christian men on a regular basis to mingle date and get the marriage goal post scored?
As reference me and my spouse were married at 20 and 23. Met each other through church and now 10+ years of happiness have gone by. Lots of work involved and hard ships for sure. But that is the hard path we chose. It’s easy to give up on your love. It’s a lot harder to do battle with your own weaknesses and self doubts. Conquer them and strengthen your three fold cord with yourself, husband, and God.
Upper_Put_6790 2y ago
I’ve thought about my choice in college a lot for this very reason. Admittedly, I went into college chasing after a career and mainly doing what my family expected me to do, having been very capable and high-achieving in high school. But, I developed depression, and since then, have grown in my faith and changed my views on how I see my worth and purpose, especially as a woman. Now, I desire to live more traditionally and am less invested in the idea of college and career for the sake of climbing society’s ladder of prestige. I’m very thankful for the changes God has done in my heart, but I really do think college is still the best place for me, mainly because: a.) through the college, I have had so many incredible resources and learning experiences available that have helped me heal from depression. I’m sure I would have been stuck in a cycle of suicidal thoughts and feeling worthless had I not been exposed to a new environment away from home.
b.) my professors are THE BEST. I am exposed to so many rich minds, great materials, and people I can bounce ideas off of, which is EXACTLY what my mind needs.
c.) Each semester of college has helped me develop and change for the better in ways that are invaluable, so I consider being $10-20K in debt at the end of college very much worth it. I might have taken my own life without the exposure and lessons it’s given/taught me, so I’m very, very grateful.
d.) my college is a good place to meet other like-minded, capable young men
e.) college teaches me to be disciplined, organized, and social in ways I wouldn’t easily develop at home.
Thank you for your feedback! It is very valuable to me! College is absolutely not for everyone, and I hate the fact that it has been pushed on so many people who view it as the only socially acceptable route, but really, for me, it has been the biggest blessing. I love it so much, and I’m so excited for how God is using my experiences for my betterment, even without knowing what career I want.
George_ThunderWeiner 2y ago
Attending college and earning a degree isn't about: "the idea of college and career for the sake of climbing society’s ladder of prestige" for most people. College is about gaining the knowledge and experience to seek out and achieve gainful employment that will hopefully provide a desirable quality of life for themselves and their (future or real) children, spouse, etc.
You may not find a Husband to support your goal of being a housewife. You may face divorce or become a widow. So you may face a life where you have to support yourself.
What you are studying has a very, very limited scope of application as a career. And any career you could possibly apply your studies to, requires more study, Ph.D level or at the very least a Masters Degree.
The other comment or was merely pointing out that you can study what interests you on your own while also best preparing yourself for the unforseen which is your future.
Edited to add the 4th sentence.
Strixt 2y ago
I am glad college is going well with you.
I hope you are planning ahead to find other support groups/functions for yourself once college is done. Such as the ones I mentioned. If you aren’t going to Christian meetings every Sunday and event/functions already. That should be your main focus to keep yourself busy and around the environment you seem to be succeeding in.
And I never meant to poo poo college itself. I am actually quite for it. Having rent and food on the table is top priority in my book. Being able to be an adult and creating your own space outside of your parents home is a worth while investment. I only meant I don’t understand the point in something non STEM related. You should be able to walk out of college with an immediate job offer of minimum 45k + benefits and room for growth.
That is what college should set you up to have once graduating. And you should be offered more money at time if graduation in correlation with the cost of the degree and the level of expertise needed.
Sadly I know too many female coworkers who have chosen 4 year degrees in non stem related fields such as communications and end up working dead end 15-18$ an hour jobs with no room for growth and student debt.
They are often happy in these jobs and that is good. I am only sad for them having useless student debt though. As they could of obtained a happy work life in a field they enjoy without debt on top.
sailorcrystal 2y ago
OP, please listen to the other commenters. I (F31) just had a conversation with my boyfriend today about this very topic. College is great! And it sounds like a fantastic outlet for you. But, I've spent the last 10+ years of my life (college included) on the performing arts. My dream was to be a musician, and when I got married I'd be a SAHW/M and not have to worry because my future husband would make enough and life would be easy because he would be out working and I would be at home working on the abode and caring for children. On weekends, I'd go and perform and make menial tips. That dream was enough for me.
Full disclosure - I am not against the traditional model at all. That was my goal. However, my boyfriend and I live in one of the most expensive states and I'm now preparing to attend a trade school to get a functional certificate that will allow me to make a living income. I currently have to work 40 hours a week - slightly over minimum age - to manage my bills, on top of cramming school for the next 8 months so that I can get to a point where I'm not constantly stressed about money, and my boyfriend and I will be in a better position for when we get married. We want to start a family together, and there is no way that we would be able to accomplish that on one income where we live. He was my best friend before we started dating, and even he had said "if you get a job in the tech field, and have your ducks in a row, on top of being pro-men and a Christian woman....you'll have no shortage of guys after you. Good guys who have their own lives together." And then he ended up being that good (no, great *wink* guy) He has, and continues to be, my biggest supporter in this realm. I will still keep my artsy hobbies, but in retrospect I wish I had made these decisions when I was your age.
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It's hard to be single, but it's harder to be single and struggling. I was working at my dream job, and it took quitting for my boyfriend and I to end up together. Please continue to pursue college, but if you're going to rack up debt, I highly recommend a job that's in a more lucrative field. What if your man finds you, you marry, and he gets sick or laid off or injured - or at the worst, dies? Especially if you have children. A woman should always be set up to care for the affairs of herself and her household - think Proverbs 31 (John MacArthur actually has an excellent sermon on her that really opened my eyes to how much work she did for her husband, her home, her children, and her maidens.)
Upper_Put_6790 2y ago
Thanks so much for this input! About what you said… I am trying to work and pay off my debt between semesters and after college. But I have a hard time with the “studying in a lucrative field” part, since my main interests are not in STEM. Do you have any job or certificate ideas for what I could do after I graduate? Perhaps writing or real estate? I’m just really worried I’ll go into something that drains me of my passion and drive…
sailorcrystal 2y ago
Honestly, I don't have good advice on that front. I was studying to be a harpist when I stopped to go into IT as a full-stack developer. IT was never in the top ten of my job goals, lol, maybe not even top 20. And I still want to play harp as a hobby. But, I have to prioritize the future and my future family over my own desires at this point. I'm currently enrolled in an 8-month coding bootcamp that will allow me to go into entry-level work starting at a gross of 80k per year; right now, I net under 30k per year. My boyfriend and I both want to live in an area where the median house range has skyrocketed to 1 million dollars (we are both natives of our state, for clarity, and don't necessarily wish to move out. But, equally, we both will be working in remote IT jobs which will give us the ability to not only stay at home with our future kids, but move where we please if we want because we won't be tied down to buildings.) For some context with what I WANT to do, to purchase a concert harp will run me about $20,000. Harpists can charge $300-500/hr to play, but they have to build up a reputation, client-base, and gigs aren't guaranteed (not to mention that there are no benefits, like health care.
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Anyway, OP, all of this to say that I'm about 11 years your senior and wish I could be in your shoes because I would have done it totally differently. I know a lot of society pushes "follow your dreams." And I'll never negate the possibility that you can potentially find a man who makes enough to support your future family. It's not fun, and it's a lot of hard work, but since I've spent my last 11 years mostly single and floating between minimum wage jobs because I didn't take college seriously enough, it's better to give yourself a solid foundation with a strong safety net to be able to care for your future legacy. I wish I had prioritized my time and gone this route instead, even if it's not a career choice I ever would have chosen on my own.
Jingle_Cat 2y ago
It sounds like you’re being quite hard on yourself. Many women struggle with mental illness - shifting hormones certainly don’t help. Some people develop a chemical imbalance that requires medication to fix. Lifestyle modifications like a good diet, supplements, and exercise can get you a long way, but for people with a biological deficiency in serotonin processing, you’re going to need medication to feel completely normal. And that’s okay! What’s not okay is not treating mental illness, which I see a lot of people do. As long as you take care of yourself, no one is going to hold a mental illness against you, especially a very manageable one.
As for wanting to be a wife and a SAHM, that’s fine too. It sounds like you’re intellectually curious, and that’s important for developing a relationship and being an interesting person. It’s fine if you don’t have a strong career drive. If you’re not in a relationship now, you might have some time before becoming a wife and mother, so it would be good to develop some practical skills so that you can work in the interim. Nursing/teaching require schooling, but you could always try nannying, as it’s great preparation for motherhood. Or take an active, paying role in the church, if you have skills for that. Writing or community organizing could also be options. I don’t know if you have the funds to strictly do volunteer work, but helping with charity is always needed (and some positions do pay).
Kay_Lore 2y ago
First of all, your emotional state does not have to be the end-all be-all. Looking to God and prayer is a good start, but God gave us mental health resources for a reason. Even just talking with a therapist or looking into some sort of prescribed medication could help immensely. There is no shame in doing any of these things, and are much better than doing things that encourage "falling into sin for comfort" as you put it, which will just make your depression worse. That being said, I think plenty of men wouldn't hold your mental health against you as long as you are working on yourself and improving your issues. It will become a problem however, if you are not doing anything to fix it and instead relying on your partner for emotional comfort.
And I wouldn't let that hold you back from looking for a partner, because like another poster said, you have plenty of like-minded men around you more than you ever will in the future. College is the perfect time to look for a partner in my opinion, especially one where everyone arounds you holds the same beliefs and values. You should have no issues finding a man who wants the same things as you that you also find attractive, as long as you maintain your SMV and RMV to fit the type of man you want. Homemaking skills is a big part of that, so you're on the right track in that regard. But this also includes working on your mental health, which can cause your SMV/RMV to plummet drastically if you make bad choices as a result of it going unchecked for too long.
Good luck to you and God bless!
Upper_Put_6790 2y ago
This is super great advice! Thank you so much, and God bless!
NevermindTheCrows 2y ago
Every woman struggles. It can be hugely helpful reading about other devout women who have dealt with doubts / depression/ temptation. I find the lives of the saints inspiring but from your post I am guessing that you might not be catholic. Maybe your teachers can make some suggestions of female role models?
Exercise might help you to feel better in your body and reduce temptation. It might also help to make a list of comforts for those times when you need to indulge yourself a little but you don't want to do something you'll hate yourself for. Like maybe watching a silly TV show, listening to lighthearted music, eating chocolate, etc...
Upper_Put_6790 2y ago
Awww, I’m so grateful for this.
NevermindTheCrows 2y ago
You might like this, about St Therese:
https://catholichousehold.com/censoring-st-therese-5-things-didnt-know-little-flower/
Also I love the story of St Catherine of Siena, who was beset with temptation constantly.
There are loads of others but I can't think of them right now :)
Babiecakes123 2y ago
I (21F) just want to provide comfort for you because I was in the same boat of hating singleness and desiring to be a homemaker and wife. It was something I knew I wanted since I was a kid, but because I’m a pretty unique person, I figured it’d be impossible to find anyone who I could stand, let alone who could stand me. I can also be fairly analytical and nerdy. I like talking about theology, politics, childcare theory, and whatever else people will let me get my hands on in a conversation... It’s not the most “feminine” in traditional standings, but wisdom and intelligence is important for a woman to have, especially if bringing up children! God blessed you with a desire for learning, and it’s fantastic you’re focusing that on a biblical education.
Back in January 2021 I had another failed attempt at a talking stage (he decided he wanted this girl, who I presume was literally on meth), I swore off men and decided to be the single aunt that travels the world and isn’t tied down. I declared to God that I didn’t want a man.. That I was going to rely on no man but Him. I think it was in this stage that I stopped having marriage/child-rearing/boys as an idol and it was when God decided I was ready for more of his plan in my life. About 4 months later I met my current partner properly and we both knew we were getting married within a few weeks.
I also want to give comfort in your struggle with mental health. I also have depressive episodes. Sometimes I just forget I exist, and being in university heightens that situation. Most days, the only thing that keeps me going is my future kids. I grew up pretty poor, I’m the first in my family to pursue and nearly complete university degree, and I’m also the first in my childhood friend group to “make it out” of our neighbourhood. I find what helps me stand firm in life is prioritising my goals and reminding myself why I am where I am.
God has placed you where you are. Wether that purpose is to minister to other students around you, to meet your future partner, to learn that you don’t need a future partner, or just to learn and grow in understanding… it’s on Gods timeline, and it’s important for us to remind ourselves that we are always doing God’s work. Taking things slow is okay, God is still with you throughout it all.
I recommend “The Excellent Wife” by Martha Peace. I also recommend journaling. It’s a great way to get all the thoughts and words and chaos that might be occurring in your brain, out and onto paper. It always helped me re-focus and grip onto God’s word. Taking a negative thought, and then writing the biblical one underneath it.
“I am lonely”… how many scriptures and stories are in the bible that prove that God is never-failing and always loving?
I wish you the best, and I promise there is always going to be someone kicking about on this Reddit ready to talk with you in the comments. We need more women willing to talk about theology! Women and Men like me would get bored!
Upper_Put_6790 2y ago
I love this so much! Our personalities seem similar, based on your message, and I also love discussing what you mentioned: theology, politics, etc. I can’t thank you enough for sharing a bit of your story. And, it is so nice to know that there are other women in this chat that are willing to provide their wisdom and advice to seekers like myself. My family has a history of extremely hardworking moms, boss babes, and fatherlessness, and sometimes, I feel lonely knowing there aren’t many people close to me that share my values in being a SAHM. Blessings~
Babiecakes123 2y ago
I understand how you feel about loneliness in your aspirations. I was often made fun of for my faith and desires growing up in public school. I once had a Muslim classmate snatch and then hold a lighter to my Bible. You’re definitely not alone, but it CAN feel lonely at times.
Stick around communities that have similar values to you, you’ll find more joy there. One day you might even find a husband. You still have lots of time, but I understand the feeling of time ticking. I felt that too.
Legitimate_Ocelot718 2y ago
Maybe give christian based therapy a try. It's a good combo of Biblical values and clinical help.
sunglasses90 2y ago
Emotional stability is honestly really difficult to find in women, but it’s something that men crave above a lot of things. That doesn’t mean you can’t have a little bit here and there I think that’s expected because our brains are wired differently and our hormones are different. But it can’t become a detriment to your ability to perform your duties to your household.
I agree with the other poster that you should be open to medication. If it’s needed it can make all the difference in the world. If you broke your leg you’d get medical treatment. Just like anything physically wrong you’d get treatment and/or medication. Mental health should be no different.
Finally, I think you’re being really hard on yourself for very little reason. God will show you the way and things will happen in his time. I got a little worried at 28 that I wouldn’t find the one and then I did. I’ll be 30 when I get married. My fiancé and I were meant to be and I did wish I met him sooner, but it wasn’t meant to be. We were supposed to meet later in life and we have an absolutely amazing life I couldn’t possibly be any happier than I am now. But I was a totally different person with different goals at 20 and that’s ok. Keep doing the things that give you joy. Volunteer your time to those less fortunate every once in a while and just keep your mind and soul open. Your early 20’s are a learning experience and it can be a really wonderful time. Your brain doesn’t even fully develop until 25 so you don’t have to feel like you need to push yourself too hard. Slow down and enjoy life. I promise you if you do that good things will come.
espressolover18 2y ago
Have you thought about talking to a therapist? Therapy can be very beneficial in helping us process our emotions and past experiences that may have led to these emotions. It can be very helpful to talk to someone who is a neutral third party and can provide an outside - and professional - perspective and give you tools to manage your issues. These tools can be mental/emotional (helping you reframe certain things), behavioral (mind-body therapy like NFT and others), or chemical/supplements (prescription medication or herbal supplements). I would recommend a female therapist, if possible. I'm sure your school has mental health resources available to students if you can't afford one on your own.
Upper_Put_6790 2y ago
Yes, I’ve gone to a lot of therapy in the past, but stopped because of expenses. My college has been great for providing free resources, for which I am grateful. By God’s grace, I think I am in the healing stages of depression. I had it for 5 years, but am finally getting to the point where I no longer see myself as “depressed”. So, I’m doing better now and don’t need as much therapy, but occasional places where I can find support in case of relapse are immensely appreciated.
StrawberryCake88 2y ago
First of all, it’s not only normal to feel the way you do, but it suggests you are a precious person being prepared for service. I am extremely proud of how self aware you are. That is a huge boon. What I recommend is a cruel course, but will be the most beneficial in the long run. Let go of your dreams. Submit to whatever God has for your future. Make service to the good your number one priority. Tell yourself that you will still be ok even if the worst were to happen. Remember the song, “It is well with my soul” by Horatio Spafford. He endured his worst fear and kept his dedication to the good. God knows the desires of your heart and whatever he has for you is beyond what you hope for yourself. Often we don’t understand why God says no or not yet until years later. You have indeed made this dream a deterrent to actually obtaining it. Ask God for his peace and focus on service to others. You will then have prepared yourself for a beautiful future.
Upper_Put_6790 2y ago
I appreciate this very much. You’re absolutely right. I’m praying that God would work in my heart in such a way that no matter what I do in the future, I will be content.