I am going to state this clearly for the record, so saying “I didn’t know” is no longer a valid excuse.
Bashing any RP sub here will result in an immediate ban.
It’s extremely disappointing that this has to be explicitly stated, because the other Mods and I consider it to be common effing sense. We are a RP sub, created by /u/RedPillSchool as a sister sub of TRP.
Furthermore, commenting and participating on anti-RP subs is really not a good idea if you wish to continue having the ability to comment and post threads here.
This is really basic stuff, and it's frustrating that some users are trying to insist that this is somehow beyond their ability to comprehend without having it written in bold for them to see.
So here it is, your physical "proof" that this isn't some obscure, imaginary rule. There will be no more warnings from this point on. If you bad-mouth TRP or any RP sub here you will be banned.
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Additionally if you are interested in hearing about LTR talk instead of being upset that TRP never talks about it, you can sort by flair. It's not that TRP is anti-relationship, it's that men don't need to worry about relationships - a man who has a good sexual strategy and the value to back it up will not need to take in relationship theory and "LTR strategy".
This also might be useful advice to guys who come on here "because TRP is not for guys in relationships". Just sort the content.
aguy01 11y ago
Only because it's virtually impossible to find a Western woman that is worth committing to. The bar is so unbelievably low that most men will only meet a handful of women in their entire life that would truly qualify as RPW. Most men on TRP would be overjoyed at LTRing a woman from this sub.
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PhantomDream09 11y ago
It's pointless. They aren't interested in discussion or listening. Commenting on subs like that is a waste of your time and only entertains them more.
That said, so long as you are aren't bad mouthing TRP/RPW, and your comments aren't causing drama on the main subs, that's at least a little better....but not much.
SoftHarem 11y ago
Men are born with no inherent value. We do not make babies, therefore we offer nothing of value to those around us except what we can do. Most of the men in TRP are behind the curve. They had no proper support from men in their lives since day one, and even worse most of them have all sorts of bad cultural programming from the clueless people in their lives who attempted to teach them about life. This exacerbates the problem even further because not only must they create value in themselves by becoming a high value man, before that can even begin they must painfully rid themselves of all these idealistic tropes about women, society, masculinity, etc. rebuild their egos properly, and then learn and live what it is to actually be a man.
http://www.reddit.com/r/RedPillWomen/comments/1x1284/if_any_of_you_hens_find_trp_to_be_a_little_too/
We covered it in more detail in this post, which is also in the sidebar. I suggest you read it, and the other post at the bottom if you have not yet. They explain in detail more of the process that these men are going through and should help you understand, and possibly relate.
Listen, ladies, we understand most of you have an instinctive negative reaction towards men who are in stages I-IV of their journey to accepting RP philosophy. Your goal as a RPW is to land a guy who is deep into Stage V and has his life together. Women, for the most part, have no concept of what it takes to become a high value man, and you're not expected to. Hypergamy dictates that you are programmed to go after the best genetics you possibly can, and anything below that will more than likely turn you right off. That is absolutely your right, and the men who understand RP also understand there will be no sympathy for those who are walking the path. While we will not accept, or desire your sympathy we will also not accept or desire your derision. We're fully aware that there can be a lot of negativity, bitterness, and outright hatred in the community and we also understand that is simply part of the process. The men who truly want to become high value men will do it, and they will go through the same process that everyone else does. There is virtually no other outlet for the legions of men and boys who are so far behind the curve in terms of healthy masculinity it makes them miserable, even self-destructive. This is one of the few places in their lives they can speak their minds, let out their hurt, talk like men, and not be judged for it. While we will always encourage them to channel these feelings into value, that is much easier said than done, especially in the beginning.
As the mods and other users have stated, this is not "TRP Lite with smiles and muffins." This is merely TRP catered towards women's sexual goals. It is the same knowledge base across the board, and these communities support one another. If you have not read the sidebar in /r/TheRedPill and you have not taken the time to understand it and begin incorporating it into your life then I question why you are here. You do not get to hamster away any realities we speak about in TRP in favor of playing feminine over in RPW. The moderation staff of both communities are well aware of the differences and as this is becoming more of an issue we will even more vigilant in removing troublesome members. Do not make us drop the hammer on you.
-SH
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PhantomDream09 11y ago
Wrong. People are here because they want to change and improve. This sub is not PPD, nor is it a sales pitch. Users use 'doubt,' 'questions,' and 'sincere curiosity' to shift the narrative of the sub to better fit their preconceived ideals or dilute the ideas we talk about. This is not a debate sub, and this rule is not up for discussion.
BluepillProfessor 11y ago
The problem is that a LOT of guys over at TRP are really, seriously pissed off at women. They have been cuckolded, cheated on, tormented, lied to, emotionally damaged, and financially raped. Many of them have had their beloved children taken away from them and alienated. Some of them have sworn off women completely.
I get that a lot of posts on TRP are alarming to women- but you can't condemn an entire sub for a minority of commenters who have every reason to be angry.
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pizej 11y ago
i'm new to this sub and i think it's so cool but honestly i am confused. can someone define the "bashing" that's going to be censored?
BluepillProfessor 11y ago
I think the mods are concerned that women who do not share TRP philosophy and are not interested in reasonably discussing it will fill up the posts on /r/redpillwoman if they are allowed to bash TRP. The mods are correct.
The point is you can't be a Red Pill woman and bash The Red Pill Reddit so you shouldn't be posting on Red Pill Woman if you are bashing TRP- on other reddits and especially on this one. That is not censorship it is inclusion of like minded women.
Over at TRP we don't have much need for a rule like that- the boys jump all over the crap of any malefactors and the mods blast the concern trollers into atomic ash. Not sure why that is not as effective with the ladies but I know I heard somewhere that men and women were different somehow.
PhantomDream09 11y ago
We also get a lot of the newer gentlemen, or other males that (wrongly) think they can learn to be RP men simply by getting advice from this sub (and/or finding a natural RPW). Many users (both male and female) think RPW can exist in a vacuum, independent and separate from TRP in every way. They either don't understand, or flat out wish to ignore the fact that TRP and RPW are different sides of the same coin. TRP has to teach its members to take women off the pedestal and build them up - for the ladies that come to RPW, we have to teach them how to recognize, acknowledge and control many attitudes that revolve around entitlement.
sierrasecho 11y ago
How is that a "problem"? That is their sub, this is ours. The mods here fully understand that a lot of the newbs over there are angry and confused, and it comes out very vitriolic. Their reality is brutal sometimes, and they say things that can be construed poorly. It doesn't make the truth that the Red Pill shows any less true. If you don't like to read about men spinning plates or the advice to next wives, don't read it. There is still lots of good content... and it doesn't make it any less true for the anger.
When a RPW reader goes there, see something "mean-spirited" and comes back here whining about how TRP is "wrong", they'll be told. The mods here seem perfectly happy to discuss RP theory, but one has to show that one is genuinely interested, and not holding preconceived notions of how it "should" be.
Our message is the same, though sometimes framed in a more gentle way.
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I really did think this was obvious. Gosh people confuse me so much.
Camille11325 11y ago
Thank you so much for posting this!
TRP bashing is such a frustrating phenomenon and yet so many users engage in it. I don't understand why people continue to treat RPW as if it's something entirely different, like a nicer, special haven from the other RP subs. When people leave comments saying TRP is too harsh or extreme, or that they disagree with the core principles but love RPW, it baffles me. And it's offensive. As RPW we are here to apply RP core principles and concepts to our own lives and relationships; it should be clear to everyone who stops by that we share all of the same ideas that TRP and other subs are based on.
Peresonally I love TRP and agree with all it espouses, but, I know that there are members of this subreddit who don't agree with it 100%. That doesn't mean it's okay to put down the subreddits or it's members! The men in TRP are going through their own periods of self improvement, some are in worse shape than others and some are rightly angered by the injustices going on in our society today. We should be sensitive to what is going on within them and around them, and respect their right to voice their opinions as they work towards the lifestyle they desire.
Thank you so much /u/PhantomDream09 and all of the other mods for the excellent work that you do to keep us all on track and maintain the quality of the subreddit <3
ayvyns 11y ago
But what about the part in the welcome message that says advice for men from women is pointless and therefore so is advice for women from men because men and women's strategies are at odds with each other? I don't really understand the role of TRP guys on this sub for women. If it's in the woman's best interest to get a high quality male to commit to her, shouldn't she be doing all the things that TRP hates, like dating multiple guys, rejecting as many as possible, keeping some around as plates etc until she finds the man she wants commitment from? I'm just confused here.
aguy01 11y ago
The difference is that women feel an attraction towards men that sleep around and men feel repulsion towards women that sleep around.
logi_thebear 11y ago
No, because those are red flags to a RP guy that you are not the kind of woman he wants. Besides, while you're busy spinning your plates, you will age, and you will miss out while waiting for "the man she wants". Find him. Keep him. Don't waste time.
Camille11325 11y ago
Take another look at the welcome message found at the top of the RPW sidebar, because you are conflating several concepts in this question. Generally speaking, women are unable to give accurate advice to men regarding relationships/dating/sex/self improvement. There is an enormous gap between what women say they find attractive and what they actually find attractive. Many times a woman will counsel a man using tips and suggestions that she feels like she should be offering instead of what would actually work. For example encouraging niceness instead of assertiveness; most women are convinced that they should be attracted to the perfect gentleman and are ashamed or confused about why they keep falling for "assholes". They think that they should be the type of person who is attracted to the more passive types, and because they want to live up to this ideal, they give advice that conforms to their imagined identity rather than reality.
Additionally, women tend to give non advice such as "be yourself!", which is a warm, politically correct sentiment but ultimately empty. Women want a man who is naturally attractive to them, and most are unable to empathise with the amount of work and effort that goes in to improving yourself for the opposite sex (and in general). Becoming a man is a process; women have an easier time due to the large role that genetics plays in appearance and the fact that society today caters entirely to propping up women and pushing down men in almost every possible way. The hostility displayed towards men and the blatant misinformation that occurs puts most men at a disadvantage when it comes to giving advice to women because they have been misled their entire lives about what they should be attracted to. The Red Pill subreddits are all about dispelling the myths surrounding attraction and sexual strategy, and allowing members to take back control of their lives. Yes men and women have different strategies, but the strategies themselves are not what is preventing them from giving quality advice. Any man with a solid understand of attraction and sexual strategy for women can be a useful resource for advice because he will be less likely to sugar coat it; therefore men who frequent TRP are better suited for giving advice to women than most.
The best way to get someone of high quality is to become someone of high quality. For women, this means improving appearance, maintaining a nice figure, being a pleasant person to be around and engaging in feminine behaviours and activities. Sleeping around lowers a woman's value, so it is not an encouraged practise. Neither is keeping men as plates, which just sounds absurd to be honest. Most times if women have a lot of men that they sleep with on a casual basis, she is their plate. If your hypothetical scenario actually played out, it would not result in long term commitment from the men involved. The type of man who would put up with being a plate is not the type of man that women would maintain an attraction to because it is the exact opposite of their natural role. A high value man would not seek out this arrangement or allow himself to become a plate. Women are not attractive at all when they act in a masculine manner and adopt masculine sexual strategies. One of the best ways for a woman to maximise her options when it comes to commitment is by increasing her SMV and positioning herself so that a high value man can initiate. Women should become more feminine in disposition and demeanor and leave masculinity for the men.
PhantomDream09 11y ago
Comprehensive, clear, and carefully thought out. Well done.
♀
Camille11325 11y ago
Oh my gosh thank you!!!
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tradmarriageftw 11y ago
This was perfectly stated. I hope someone gives you a point.
Camille11325 11y ago
Thank you so much!
ayvyns 11y ago
Thank you for the explanation, this makes much more sense. I didn't mean that a woman should have sex with multiple guys, just literally date a lot of guys at once to speed up the process of finding the guy she wants - is that still bad?
Camille11325 11y ago
You're welcome!
A woman who acts in the manner that your question posits is approaching relationships with the wrong mentality. The idea of wanting to "speed up the process" in this way seems very mechanical and detached. These are actual people we are talking about, and yet she would be reducing men to mere supporting characters in her life, accessories even. The men she dates don't exist just to satisfy her needs; both parties should be vetting each other while dating, and women need to work on making sure that they are doing all they can to satisfy the needs of men as well. In this scenario, the woman involved would be more focused on running through mental checklists to see if this is "the guy she wants" than actively participating and adding value to the relationship. There is no reflection, no adapting herself to his desires or preferences, no learning and growing. Just discarding men as she sees fit, because she is more committed to her invented timeline than she is to the actual person she is involved with. If she changed her mindset, worked to become a high value woman, then she would feel no pressure to "speed up the timeline" because men would be attracted to her and pursue her.
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Camille11325 11y ago
Not a problem! Hope you keep reading around the sub, asking questions, and learning :)
NittanyLioness84 11y ago
So, are there stages for women to go through when swallowing the pill?
blondie_brownie 11y ago
I don't know if the stages are the same for women as for men. Men feel the stages (denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance) because they have been LIED to by society. About their place in the world, their worth, women, everything. Women haven't been lied to in the same way as men, and so, wouldn't experience the same stages. Personally, I didn't go through any set "stages". I was angry with feminism and the world for a while, and still get angry when it pops up on my radar. You may experience stages, and that's perfectly okay. It is not okay to run away with your feelings and let them get out of control though.
PhantomDream09 11y ago
Some users experience frustration/anger when things start to click and they see the people around them making the same mistakes and beating the same dead horses (ie "men are the problem") without ever trying to look at things from a different point of view. New users usually seem to instinctively want to downplay/deny how much they need to work on (minimizing their faults). The effort that one has to consistently exert in order to make meaningful changes can seem overwhelming, especially when they make a few steps forward and then landslide back to where they started. Change takes time, and hard work. You'll reap what you sow, but the rewards usually aren't immediate.
The process will vary from person to person, depending on their respective 'starting' points, and the knowledge they bring to the table. It's not easy, but it's also nowhere near as difficult as what the men have to go through, because in the end - simply being a woman puts you at a clear advantage.
NittanyLioness84 11y ago
I am a bit frustrated I did not know about RPW when I was 25 and let myself become a plate of this 'alpha asshole.' Now I am 30 and am with a really awesome guy who deserves the best I can offer.
johngalt1234 11y ago
What distinguishes RP from its competiton is quality control. Keep up the good work ladies. Hope you will soon be able to mentor younger women in person if at all possible.
aZombieKitten 11y ago
Thank you! I am tired of seeing TRP-bashing posts. You are allowed to feel negatively of posts, but don't treat the entire sub like it's awful. It's fine to disagree and you may not like the harsh tone, but it's important to understand why and be sensitive regarding the circumstances. Saying "OMG TRP is awful because X, Y, and Z" is not productive at all, especially since RPW comes from TRP.
TRP and its other subs are not here to cater to your feels. They're here to help you improve yourself, male or female. Don't like it? Don't participate.
Also, posting on anti-RP subs? Really? That seems like something that should be an obvious "do not do." How can anyone expect that to work out in their favor?
eatplaycrush 11y ago
Jeesh. I'm sorry you actually had to take the time to even write this because you would think as a sub so focused on self-improvement and realizing our actions that this would 100% be common sense.
Why post here then post on anti-RP subs? Is that what you do in real life as well as in you're wishy washy? Eek. Do I agree with every post or word written over at TRP? Nope, but I'm also not a man who is more so focused on spinning plates which they are. I still enjoy reading them for insight into male minds and I enjoy the LTR posts since they are more relatable, but have you (speaking to the ones who like to bad-mouth) ever thought that if it bothers you that much just to not read it? With the millions beyond millions of other things you could read or do online instead it doesn't even make sense.
PhantomDream09 11y ago
I don't get it either, but I'm done having people whine that they didn't know better, and in the process continue to break the same rule I have told them to be mindful of.
jade_cat 11y ago
A few suggestions for visibility :
I know there is a "READ BEFORE MAKING A POST!" section in the side bar, but it is quite low on the page. Maybe it would be better to put it between the "WELCOME TO RED PILL WOMEN!" and the "FLAIRS" sections ?
PhantomDream09 11y ago
Yes I'm working on adding this to several side-bar linked posts.
TempestTcup 11y ago
Maybe we should plainly state all three banning criteria: rudeness, bashing RP subs, and spouting feminism.
PhantomDream09 11y ago
We can definitely add those, but I don't know it will do much good. The rudeness thing gives me pause, because I can already see users pointing at a lot of the advice we give and saying "you should ban yourself, you're being rude" or accusing other senior members of the community. I think we just have to define what constitutes as "rude." Maybe something like "terms and insults stated for no reason other than to offend and demean. However, calling a user "entitled" and explaining why they are so, as well as what they can do to change is acceptable. Many times we have to point out bad habits, and behaviors - which newer users are often eager to label as 'rude' when in fact they are terms used to instruct and explain."
Thoughts?
TempestTcup 11y ago
That sounds good:
PhantomDream09 11y ago
Now appears on the F.A.Q., Posting Rules, and Answer These Questions. Basically, if it ever happens again, there's no excuse, and there will be no second chances.