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tenchineuro 3y ago
Well, if this is real he has her threatening to falsely accuser him in this very screenshot (and it can be verified by the records companies are required to keep).
But this does underscore how women consider a false rape accusation as the easy way out of any problem.
Lethn 3y ago
They're taught from an early age this is how life works, the moment a teacher believes them when they blame something they did on a boy or try to play the victim when they started something that's when they realise the power they have. Girls at that age aren't fucking dumb and innocent as people make them out to be and it's remarkable how prevalent this attitude is in society.
NotSoRainbow 3y ago
If this is real, then it's the shittiest thing you could do to someone. Rather than just asking who the girl was, she just straight-up broke the computer, then accused someone of rape for something that she did. As a woman, rape accusations are serious and are not a thing you should be lying about.
tilfordkage 3y ago
I'm sure his lawyer will love seeing this screenshot
annasbannas 3y ago
what would you propose? we call all victims who come forward liars (91.8% never do ) just on the basis that “oh it might be one of the 2% of times it’s a false allegation, let’s shame this woman more than society already does and victim blame her even more, because this traumatic experience just wasn’t enough! should have thought about this before being a woman!!”
false allegations happen. shitty women exist. but we need to stand with rape victims. you all need to stop advocating for victim blaming, we just started to get past that. we need to stand with victims, men or women, until proven otherwise.
yhzauddi 3y ago
I was reading the report. You know 2% was from a 2006 study in Australia, it was 6.8% in the USA.... Little higher than what your claiming
The issue is that false allegations are happening, like the screenshot. If proven false in court nothing will happen to her under the argument "it stops actual victims from coming forward". Yet the damage would already be done to him.
So at what point should a woman be responsible?
Dogrose22 3y ago
You are right, we do need to stand with victims, which includes victims of false allegations.
Statistics regarding false allegations are meaningless, they are the result of bias agendas, reciting them over and over again does not make them true.
The fact that this woman thinks it is perfectly acceptable to state that she will make a claim of rape is evidence that such behaviour in order to harm and ‘get back’ at another person has become normalised. False allegations happen too often and they harm all victims - both innocent accused, their families and genuine victims of rape and abuse.
False allegations are never ok, they destroy the lives of many.
Stop advocating victim blaming.
annasbannas 3y ago
again, as i said numerous times. i don’t think we should assign blame to anyone, but when someone comes forward about rape, 98% of the time they are telling the truth. so, we should not immediately accuse them of lying as they’ve likely gone through an extremely traumatic experience. i’m saying we should support those coming forward, not bash those being accused.
__pulsar 3y ago
That's a bullshit statistic cooked up by feminist groups. It's impossible to know how many accusations are false DUCY?
Philsie 3y ago
We need to start having women who are found guilty of filing a false allegation be given the same prison sentence the man would have gotten. That should clear things up in a hurry! The only ones who would oppose this are those who support false claims.
P.S. GTFO of here. You aren't welcome.
annasbannas 3y ago
why is that exactly? because i said we shouldn’t shun those who come forward about rape? again, you just want an echochamer. that’s fine that’s fine. enjoy it, this is my last reply. also no they shouldn’t, what about all the rapes that cannot be proven, as i said before less than 1% actually face a conviction, only 2% of allegations are false. so are we going to throw all these real victims that couldn’t prove their case into jail? no. it would just stop real victims coming forward and put many innocent people in jail. adios incels, enjoy festering in anger ✌️
Philsie 3y ago
I said guilty of filing false reports. That's a lot different then a man just being found innocent. I'm glad you're enjoying your trolling. As far as being an Incel, I assure you that I have WAY more sex than you do. Adios, Cunt.
mgtowolf 3y ago
Real statistics say only \~10% are proven true accusations, and \~10% are proven false accusations. So should we treat rape with the same handwaving that you do false accusations? Only 10% are telling the truth, so let's just assume they are all liars right?
[deleted] 3y ago
I can't find the proven true part. Could you please link the source. This will be extremely useful in reddit debates. The proven false is easily found by a web search. Please tell me where you found that 10% are proven true.
mgtowolf 3y ago
I mean you can even use RAIN's own numbers, but propaganda it the opposite way. They assume 1000 accusations are all true to make their bullshit charts.https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system
I could twist it the other way, and still be just as correct as they are. In the western world, probably even more true, because it's innocent until proven guilty. The 1000 number is retarded to use anyways, it's just a claim. Anyone can claim anything. Lets stick with just the reports.
Out of 230 reports, 184 are deemed false by a police investigation. Of the 46 referred to the DA, 35 are deemed false before seeing a court room. Of those 9 that do make it to a courtroom, 4 are deemed false by a jury.
So using their own shady maths, 225 out of 230 rape accusations are false accusations. It's an epidemic, we need to teach people not to lie about rape. Yadda yadda, penis hats in the town square and all that bullshit. Lets getterdone.
[deleted] 3y ago
Thanks!
mgtowolf 3y ago
NP. I am not working to rebuild my reference bookmark list after win10 yet again shit the bed and had to reinstall. I got to remember to make at least weekly bookmark backups. I always forget after a few months and it keeps biting me in the ass lol.
annasbannas 3y ago
funny how you don’t cite sources of these “real statistics”. i cited credible sources for all the information i presented, are all facts you dislike “not real”?
Dogrose22 3y ago
You are accusing others of the behaviour you are displaying e.g. victim blaming and citing inaccurate statistics to back up your inaccurate, biased opinion.
[deleted] 3y ago
You should probably cite statistics, not gonna lie. If you do, it will just make the person shut up.
[deleted] 3y ago
annasbannas, he cited his sources, now what the fuck are you gonna argue about?
annasbannas 3y ago
sorry, you mean one times magazine article claiming the cdc isn’t accurate? yeah ok, i mean fuck the us justice department, rainn.org and all the other sources i’ve mentioned so far. they must all be wrong because i mean, TIMES MAGAZINE SAID CDC IS MISLEADING!! y’all just take anything you like as fact, it’s honestly kinda sad. as far as i’m aware, i haven’t cited the cdc anywhere? so what’s the point exactly?
[deleted] 3y ago
The Time mag said the CDC is misleading, not that their statistics are wrong. You are delusional, because you literally don't understand what they are saying. Are you saying the CDC is not a credible source? All that the Time was saying was that male rape isn't even counted. The fact that you are getting mad as fuck at this simple fact shows that you understand how wrong you are, but just don't want to accept it.
hereforsolidarity 3y ago
At what point did I say to call people liars? You have to investigate shit thoroughly. This post is completely unrelated to that. This post is pointing out how easy it is TO lie and gather support of people who know you’re lying.
Get the fuck out of this sub if you don’t like what’s posted here. Nobody here needs your whining.
annasbannas 3y ago
i’m saying regardless of gender when someone comes forward saying they were raped it’s important to support the victim, man or woman, because 98% of the time they’re telling the truth.
sorry honeybun, did i ruin your echochamer? sorry let me try again:
[deleted] 3y ago
How is society built to benefit men. You are actually mentally insane. After careful analysis, (keep in mind, I am a math major) you actually find that society is built around supporting the lives of women. Also, you just inflated your own statistics, which is in itself an inflated version of a biased truth.
Lethn 3y ago
You're establishing guilt before there's even a trial, people like you should be banned from court rooms as far as I'm concerned.
annasbannas 3y ago
i’m not establishing guilt, i’m saying we shouldn’t shame and call the victims liars (like people often do to women and men alike) until we know what happened, and in the meantime we should support them as 98% of the time they’ve gone through a horribly traumatic experience and been completely violated. obviously we shouldn’t say the guy is a rapist either. we should remain neutral while still supporting and being there for the victim until a verdict comes. and even then, rape is one of the hardest crimes to prove, so unless it’s completely and absolutely confirmed that it wasn’t true, we still shouldn’t call them liars as invalidation of a traumatic experience will only make it worse for them. obviously, if someone actually does lie about it and it’s proven without a doubt, fuck them.
[deleted] 3y ago
You can't call alleged victims liars, but 100% of the time the perps are called liars due process or not. False rape allegations are HIGHLY under reported, as they are quickly filtered out through the police. You are very misinformed.
Lethn 3y ago
To add to this she's saying she's against calling the accusers liars but at the same time she's claiming the accused are liars by default when they give their side of the story because she thinks she should side with the people she thinks are the victims rather than giving both sides a chance to speak. This is precisely why things are so fucked in the court systems right now and why I have no problem stating she is not mentally fit to talk about this issue.
[deleted] 3y ago
How is society built to benefit men. You are actually mentally insane. After careful analysis, (keep in mind, I am a math major) you actually find that society is built around supporting the lives of women. Also, you just inflated your own statistics, which is in itself an inflated version of a partial truth. Your link to the people telling the truth is linking to something that says the reporting percentages, NOT the validity of the reports.
By the way, you prove my own point. Why is it that society only views rape as Male on female when female on male rape is nearly as common, and men are raped more than women are?
https://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/
annasbannas 3y ago
you believe time magazine over statistics i’ve provided (most of which from the US department of justice and rainn.org) just because it fits your narrative? cool cool cool cool cool not stupid at all.
also yes, considering we live in a patriarchy, that is how it works. and believe it or not “doesn’t agree with my incel logic” isn’t a mental disorder as far as i’m aware.
mhandanna 3y ago
Yeah believing in Patriachy is a mental disorder
so Kate Millet basically made patriarchy conspiracy theory (a complete bullsh*t retelling of history: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/edyrf5/a\_compilation\_of\_evidence\_debunking\_feminist/) in modern feminism (she stole concepts from marxism), she is absolutely vital for modern feminism due to this as patriarchy is the whole feminist lens in which feminists see the world and shape their policies, opnions etc; and also she was an icon in setting up feminism and gender studies programmes throughout the world. She is seen as the pope of feminism by many, time magazine cover, very important feminist pioneer
Guess what? her sister, Mallory who even named Kate's her orignal iconic book (sexual poltics) is a massive anti feminist MRA, check video below she reveals how bat sh** crazy Kate Millet was and man hating, her dad left her which gave her severe men issues, she had psychosis, hearing voices and seeing images, was paranoid, she used to lie awake saying how hard women had it and how f**ked up men were, her sister also reveals how f**d up and made up patriarchy theory was.... she talks about relgious cult like chants the feminsits (mallory tagged along in these years, she was a feminsit)
https://youtu.be/Bm5ZAQ9EREM
All the key authors of 2nd wave e.g. Dwrokin, Mackinon, Solanas, who completely shaped modern feminism now had combinations PTSD, schizophrenia, psychosis, substance misuse, gender identity issues, sexuality identity issues, severe esteem issues (many were really obese, ugly etc), this all affected their work, their work shaped feminism & collective feminism inherited their disorder... feminsim is literally one big mental illness. Group think.
Feminism is literally hate speech and delusions warped into a movement.
Note: This is also why early womens rights activtists have nothing to do with feminism, so it is absurd that feminsits say "oh but feminsits got women the vote", as they do not share the idealogy below at all (some radical marxist types did i.e. seneca falls https://youtu.be/Ll1HCBck25A, most didnt though). Feminism is an idealogy. Thats like saying the men who created humans rights, or free speech, or democracy, or rules protecting mainly men in war e.g. prisoner of war laws, geneva convention were MRAs**
Camille Paglia Explains Feminism's Problematic Origins
https://youtu.be/CGn3JLVaLbE
[deleted] 3y ago
Did you even read the article? It cites the cdc. It is explaining how the cdc categorized people who are made to penetrate as"other sexual violence" when that is literally rape of a man by a woman. By legal definition in the United States, a woman can't even rape a man. Explain to me how having a crime that only one gender can commit is oppressing the other gender.
And yes, it is a mental disorder if you don't know how to read and I have to summarize an article for you. Also, your stupid enough not to know that this stated IN ITS TITLE that it was referencing the CDC.
annasbannas 3y ago
sorry where did i cite the CDC again?
that’s not “rape in reverse” it’s just rape. you can’t reverse rape. you can’t do a remix with Nicki Minaj.
and again, no it’s not. please find “didn’t agree with me” in the DSM.
[deleted] 3y ago
Ah, but that is what the US court system says. As you say, women raping men is just rape. However, the category that this falls under in the statistics is other sexual violence, which consequently you are using to prove how "oppressed women are", when in fact women rape men at the SAME FUCKING RATE. Not that you care, though, you want to keep spewing your misleading propaganda statistics to claim that "men are monsters" and "women are wonderful". You want to join r/thefairersex if you really want the individuals who agree with the bullshit that you are spreading.
Also, in case you didn't know, the CDC rape numbers are used extensively by RAINN for its own data, so indirectly, by using RAINN, you are citing the CDC.
By the way, "inability to read" and "significant lack of reading comprehension" should be in the DSM.
Me citing another credible source to refute your arguments is completely valid, as is evident to anybody who understands basic logic.
Lethn 3y ago
That's how I know your mentality is completely fucked from the beginning, they are not victims, they are accusers. You've already labelled them victims without knowing anything about their personal circumstances and automatically condemned the men in these situations. You're not mentally fit to talk about this topic if that's how you think about men and female accusers.
annasbannas 3y ago
i would refer to a man who comes forward about rape as a victim too. i say victim until proven otherwise to be sensitive to what they’ve likely gone through. it’s not condemning the man, it’s validating the “accuser”. i would never in a million years have any negative attitude towards the accused in that scenario, i just like that terminology more. sorry if you didn’t like my choice of words.
Lethn 3y ago
That's not how due process works.
[deleted] 3y ago
It is not a negative attitude toward the victim, it is a neutral one. You cannot go to court and assume someone is telling the truth. The perpetrator is NOT guilty until proven innocent.
annasbannas 3y ago
bruh i’m not saying he’s guilty. i never said we should that. pretty sure i inexplicably said, we shouldn’t do that.
[deleted] 3y ago
You said "victim until proven otherwise." This literally means the same thing as the accused being a rapist until proven otherwise. A victim means that they have had the crime dealt upon them, which means that whoever they accused as the perpetrator of the crime is guilty. You can't be a murder victim without being dead.
annasbannas 3y ago
bruh i’m not saying from a legal standpoint i’ll be assigning them the victim role. i’m sorry for the poor choice of words or whatever but you’re nick picking and ignoring everything else i’ve said to dwell on this
[deleted] 3y ago
By saying victim you are literally assuming that they are in the right. It is an outrage that you can categorize rape victims and people who claim rape allegations in the same boat, when one is confirmed to be true, while the other isn't necessarily true.