That's why it's important that room is made for minorities and women in positions that are typically only given to straight white men. Workplace discrimination is caused by systemic racism.
This is a men's right's issue for minority men and if you're a decent man you should care.
If by "illegal" you mean effectively mandatory. A company that doesn't find some way to shoehorn in every grievance group under the sun (even with it being technically illegal to do so) is going to find itself on the receiving end of an endless parade of lawsuits from the usual mob of woke extortionists.
dude its stanard, that uni in germany didnt even take male applications for 6 months for professors, irish gov just announced 12 female only proffesorships, its in scottish law you have to hire woman over man to fill quotas and even when its 100% female you still MUST offer women only training, mentoring, interview practice etc... the world is full of underqualified, unmotivated, overpromoted women... thee funny thing is, they then drop out as they were never really motivated and driven to do it and then people blame sexism culture, when really they were molly coddled and helped every sterp of way to the point where the interviewer is literally coaching them how to interview
This is common. In many organisations you have to write a letter to the board why you didnt hire a woman.
in modern society we are basically seeing huge numbr of of poor quality underqualified women overpromoted and overpiad... this is also why so many women are dropping out of things as they were never that motivated anyway but where mentored and coaxed in that direction and all assesments and stanards were lowered to allow them to be there
Even at the basic workplace level they are being artifically praised;
The issue I have with this is, it seems really simplistic to say all differences are from discrimination or oppression. If we are to live in a free society. Don't we also have to accept that people will freely choose different things and therefor end up at different places?
I think this line of thinking also conflates money to be happiness. An artist making less money is probably a lot happier doing that than a manager of some sort who makes far more money. In that case, the artist or musician is basically knowingly trading some of their financial well being, for a different kind. Those are the sort of choices I am referring to when I say if we are going to be free, we have to accept that we will end up at different points. Someone who is rich financially, may be very poor socially or emotionally. Someone who is poor financially, may be rich socially and emotionally. There are trade offs we make at the level of the individual that will dictate what happens, in what realm, to us.
When someone says equality of outcome, I always wonder, in what part of life? Financially, socially, emotionally, etc?
SJWs have defined “success” as whatever the white male has and is doing. It’s a philosophy based in envy, rather than celebrating the success of women and minorities, they envy the narrow success of white men. They will never be satisfied with their own success in life if there is a white man who is successful at something else. Women are successful nurses? That’s not good enough, they need to be doctors and surgeons like those white men. They make more money so that must be better. Never mind that they never get to see their family and have insane amounts of job stress and pressure since people’s lives are literally in their hands.
They want women and minorities to be doing whatever white men are, which is generally relegated to whatever it takes to earn more money.
Even with white men, the only way that works is by using the apex fallacy. Most men will never have any sort of real wealth or power. Only the top half of a percent or so does, and that gets extrapolated on to the other 99.5% as if we have the same. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Apex_fallacy
Sure... But without evidence will anything be done? Even this Barbara can deny and it became a he said/she said.
It's no different than when filling out recruitment info for any major company and asks you I'd you are a visible minority. Can either not answer which means I'm white or say I'm white combined with being a male. Either way means I'm probably less likely to get the job over someone with similar qualifications
I think then you would only need for them to produce the stats on their hiring demographics and when you see no white males( after that date) you can then argue what has so dramatically changed in that time? a sudden drop in applicants or a policy change?
what i like to do is put down my race as "other" or "african american", since my parents are from south africa and i'm american. if they ask why i'm white, i'll just call them racist.
Either that or she could just act like she's the hero for being sexist and racist.
Fedida has issued her own statement: “I am proud of my decades of work of hiring, supporting, and promoting talented journalists of color. And, unlike these heartbreaking and incredibly misleading claims about me, that track record is well-documented and undeniable.""
I'm from Canada but I applied for my dream job in the UK (strength and conditioning coach for a professional sports team).
The application asked my gender, race, religion, and sexual orientation (male, white, Christian, straight).
Within 3 minutes of clicking submit (maybe 2m45s or so) I received an email informing me that there were stronger applicants and I was not being considered.
I guarantee no human read that application and the system auto rejected me. I have an MSc and 8 years of experience working with elite athletes it's not like I was unqualified.
Too bad when I was on the character creation screen before my birth I chose straight white male /s
A forensic accountant is just someone who specializes in tracking records. They are hired all the time for stuff like divorce cases, business lawsuits, etc. I think you are watching too much TV and projecting that on to me. Especially considering I haven't had cable in almost 15 years. I was a cord cutter about a decade before it was trendy. Even so, that's not an argument.
Google, forensic accountant. Let me know how many you could hire in your area alone. I've got about 80 accounting firms near me that offer it as a service. It's absolutely a real thing and probably used even more than tv makes it out.
I'm actually not sure that's the case. Straight white male isn't a protected class, so it's probably perfectly fine. Definitely unethical though. IANAL.
In the US, protected classes refer to characteristics, not groups. For example, gender is a protected class. Race is a protected class. You cannot be discriminated against on the basis of race or gender, regardless of what your race or gender is.
I'm actually not sure that's the case. Straight white male isn't a protected class, so it's probably perfectly fine. Definitely unethical though. IANAL.
fighting racism and sexism with more racism and sexism.. are these people stupid? excluding white men will do nothing but piss people off.
I'll never understand how people think its okay to literally by definition discriminate against white people. like wtf man this is not what anyone who fought for racial equality wanted.
if you watch any of MLK speeches he did not want this stuff he wanted a world were your race didnt matter because people judged you on your actions. The left has gone full on anti white anti male and its sickening.
Years ago I applied for a position as a train driver with Scotrail. I didn't get through as I was told they were looking to employ females and those from ethnic minority groups. Happens all the time. Positive discrimination or some bullshit.
Theyre doing the same at Eindhoven Technical University in the Netherlands. For the next couple of years they will only hire women for any position, be it a professor or a janitor or anything else.
This is nothing new. The funny thing is that black, Hispanic, Asian, etc. populations are called "minorities". However all these populations are more numerous than the white people on earth. Whites are precisely the most minority race on earth (among the major ones).
This is nothing new, whites are the most victims of racial discrimination and the laws are against them. Of course, in countries where whites are a minority there is no such nonsense, so it's absolutely ridiculous. All the more so as cotats do not relate to the populations present on a territory and are not related to qualifications either.
This is one of the factors of the large number of unemployed and at the same time of vacancies.
As far as sex discrimination is concerned, it is the same thing. Only female cotat is instore and no male cotat is instore. So it's a double penalty because not only is it stupid but it's not equal in stupidity.
I see a lot of small businesses with 20 women, usually in pink rooms with pictures of women on the walls. This is my personal experience in my country. But I'm sure it's pretty much the same in all Western countries.
I am absolutely against any system of so-called anti-discrimination cotats or penalties, which are the very definition of discrimination.
In spite of the low approval rate, I would still say that I am in favour of a world with multiple independent countries with a single ethnicity in the majority per country and therefore culture. I am against the standardization of the world, which is a danger in every social, economic, political, freedom, historical, health, etc., aspect.
I suspect that many of you reading this are at odds with it because it was learned in schools in an absolutely despicable way certain social ideas.
I hope you have understood that there is nothing discriminatory about this idea, quite the contrary. A world like this embodies cultural diversity and mutual respect in the diversity of ideas and beliefs.
At my last job we explicitly didn't hire a software engineer because, and I'm quoting, "we have too many white guys".
There was another, probably one of the most qualified I've ever come across (30 year career including the last 10 at Google, on the committee of a well known programming language, coauthored an important technical spec in the field, aced all of our technical interviews) that we didn't hire because, again quoting, "He's too old to work here".
We also blatantly discriminated in favor of female candidates. To the point where the average interview rating of one of the main engineers doing the interviews was 2.3/5 for men and 4.8/5 for women across ~200 interviews. Basically statistically impossible.
I documented everything and filed a complaint with HR on my way out the door that I'm sure they buried.
I had a boss (w/f) tell me to my face (w/m), "there are too many white men here. My next hire will only be female." She then hired a w/f with only average qualifications.
I actually pulled up the page and thought about it but to be honest I'm paid extremely well and I really don't want to lose my job or screw up my future career opportunities.
I still have my copy of the documentation so I guess if I'm ever independently wealthy I could post it using people's real names. I think about those candidates who got rejected from time to time and wonder if they know that it was their gender, skin color, or age that kept them from getting the job. Would they want to know? Maybe ignorance is bliss, there's nothing they can do about it now.
I suppose this is the underlying problem. People don't want to speak up, in order to protect their own careers, which is completely understandable in a way, but results in the problem getting worse because the people advocating for "diversity" are more outspoken.
Got a friend who works for google and a few years he did a lot of recruiting for them. Told me about how they were told to turn down all white and asain applicants unless they were beyond good but others especially woman who barely meet minimum requirements gave them bonuses if they were signed on.
It's the soft bigotry of low expectations scenario that's often cited, these are people who think it's perfectly acceptable to discriminate if they think it 'helps' minorities and women. Of course your friend thinks it's okay despite the fact that he's white, that's what all these guys are like when it comes to this shit. They think they won't be replaced so what do they care as long as they get their paycheck at the end of the day?
What they don't realise though is that the social justice movement is a parasite or a cancer that kills the host. So it will spread throughout the company and they'll continually get rid of qualified people for the sake of 'diversity' to the point where he'll be the only one left and then they'll finally tell him to get lost so some diversity hire gets in. The good news is that companies like this will always collapse precisely because they get rid of anyone qualified to do the jobs and I think this is why social media sites and so on are becoming such a clusterfuck now. Nothing they do is making sense and even their algorithm's which were originally developed by some fairly clever people are getting broken.
Because it's been hammered into society's head that when a woman or minority fails at something, it's due to some nebulous, oppressive force (racism, sexism, homophobia, you name it) keeping them down.
And when a white man fails at something, well, he failed and should take responsibility for it. Work harder.
But I mean there were blatantly racist policies in the not so distant past that were against poc and women such as the new deal, and unions, or am I wrong? That all being said the USA does has a long history of having blatantly racist men in charge who often overlooked competent men and women of color for jobs they were over qualified for, our very own leader in office is guilty of it as well.
And do you think every white man applying for a job to support himself, especially in these difficult times when we're faced with in a pandemic, deserves to have his position taken by a minority or woman through Affirmative Action because some bad, powerful white men in the distant past made things difficult? I mean, if it's wrong to ascribe certain characteristics to one demographic, it should be so the other way.
I deplore this as I deplore racism and discrimination in other forms. Your insinuation is exactly that.
I wouldn’t necessarily consider 70s-mid 90s as the “distant past”. It was during this not so distant past that many of the members of the middle class and upper classes made their fortunes while others were being pushed down. Now I do agree, it is a very sensitive and probably controversial topic, but how exactly do you level the playing field? On one hand you have a group of people who have been reaping the benefits of this nation for 400 years, and others who have been getting the short end of the stick for 400 years... you simply can’t wipe away all that has happened and say “ From now on everyone is going to be treated as equals” when it hasn’t been that way for hundreds of years.
I wouldn’t necessarily consider 70s-mid 90s as the “distant past”. It was during this not so distant past that many of the members of the middle class and upper classes made their fortunes while others were being pushed down.
And I repeat: Do you think every white man applying for a job to support himself, especially in these difficult times when we're faced with a pandemic, deserves to have his position taken by a minority or woman through Affirmative Action?
Answer the question. Don't tip toe around.
Now I do agree, it is a very sensitive and probably controversial topic, but how exactly do you level the playing field?
You consider the merit and qualifications of a person and apply accordingly.
Pretty simple concept.
On one hand you have a group of people who have been reaping the benefits of this nation for 400 years
Every single white man, including those who have died from suicide, have mental illness, the homeless, the male victims of domestic violence and rape, divorced fathers who have lost their children, you are actually insinuating they are responsible for these crimes towards minorities and women from the few above?
you simply can’t wipe away all that has happened and say “ From now on everyone is going to be treated as equals” when it hasn’t been that way for hundreds of years.
Okay, I'm going to be very blunt: You and others of your kind with this thinking are reprehensible and have lead to a lot of white male blood.
Seriously. Between the riots and all the demands from idealogical radicals for white people whom have never harmed a minority or woman in their life to kneel and kiss the ground they walk on, I've lost all patience.
You want continue living this delusion that is leading to unfair treatment towards white men, fine.
But a lot of those white men are reaching their breaking point. And when they snap, it's going to get ugly. Don't say I didn't warn you.
The rioters demand nothing from white people.... all they demand is that police stop killing them.... they don’t ask white people to kneel and kiss the ground they walk on, all they ask is for racism to stop... if that is considered unfair treatment of white men.... then son we all have bigger problems.
And how is torching businesses to ash, destroying those defending their livelihoods, going to stop police from killing them? Hmm?
Don't go giving me that "Boo hoo, who cares about corporations.". I'm referring to small businesses (restaurants, salons, etc) many owned by black people, that aren't insured.
This is hate. Pure and simple. You are supporting hate. Every single one of you trying pass off the rioters as decent people fighting the system when they're simply burning anything in their way, VANDALIZING AND FUCKING STEALING.
I'm done with this conversation. One of these days, karma is going to take a huge chomp out of your social justice asses. And I eagerly await that day.
I’m not defending the rioters, but at times fire must be fought with fire. Never forget if black people never torched businesses, rioted, and protested day and night, they wouldn’t have rights today.
Yeah, I'm sure Martin Luther King Jr preferred black people destroy businesses and harm innocent people as part of building a world where people are judged not by the color of their skin but in the content of their character.
You’re regurgitating what you’ve been fed as accurate. To a vast extent it’s not. Do yourself a favor and back up those claims with facts. Each and every claim needs a historical fact behind it.
And what you stated, has absolutely nothing to do with what is being discussed!!
Btw, African/Asian/South American/Israeli states have inaugurated how many white males as president?
Actual the minorities are universally the majority. White people only make up 8% of the population (If Nigeria, Bangladesh, Pakistan, China, and India's population are correct)
Oh no, dear. See, they realized equality wasn't enough.
Today's term is equity, not equality. It doesn't mean everyone gets the same, it means everyone gets different amounts, but the amounts they get are greater depending on how great their need is. So by playing the oppression Olympics, they can get way, way more than you.
Funny how this all works, isn't it? And kind of sad.
What do you do about it though? I got laid off and had to look for a new place to work. With LinkedIn and the like, it's easy to see who gets hired and for what jobs. I was making it to the interview almost every application I put in, but never offered the job. When I looked up who got it, it was almost always someone less qualified, with less relative experience than me. But, they weren't white. I finally got something that isn't anywhere near my first choice. At this point, unemployment is about to run out and I don't have any other option it seems. I was passed over multiple times for work I have over a decade of experience in, for people who never even worked in the industry and were starting from square one. They weren't entry level jobs by any means either.
I agree that feminists want nothing short of total and complete domination. Here's the problem.
They DON'T want to be the ones who take out the trash. The ones who maintain the sewers. The ones who work the oilfields. The ones who have a higher chance of injury and death at work.
If feminists controlled everything, society would completely collapse. Within days.
The truth is, feminism is modern day gender Nazism. I would call them scum, but that would be an unfair insult to scum.
Equality for minorities? You got to be joking. I applied for a job as the same one my two co-workers applied to.
I was asian, other was black, other was white. No it’s not a bar joke.
White one got an interview landed and got the job, meanwhile I got an interview appointment l, but I was rescheduled 5 times and eventually ghosted. My black coworker didn’t even get a email back saying he was rejected.
Black coworker and I were much more qualified than the white dude and had stellar reviews. White dude was a narcissistic, sexist asshole who sucked the executives dicks. Brotha please. As long as companies have their diversity quotas full, they don’t give a shit about minorities. Also, this happened only two months ago lol.
We usually tend to share LinkedIn profiles... many companies that reach out to me is through LinkedIn. My referrals are given through LinkedIn too. Everything companies ask for is LinkedIn now. I work for/apply to/consult start ups and gaming companies, mostly.
So you're whining because the white guy played the game and you didn't and now it's oh they are racist. Maybe it's because he is part of a culture you are unwilling to participate in. Goes both ways. If a white guy moves to Asia and doesn't try to adopt some of the culture he isn't going to get ahead.
The fuck? How does that relate to me? I’m American born and raised here in New York. So you are saying I’m not part of the American culture? I look asian so I should only relate to Asia? Which I don’t because the Asian culture (Confucius culture) is so toxic.
What game am I supposed to play? Be more white? Be more American? Please tell me how an American (me) can be more white? Should I wave a Confederate flag? Should I support dirtbag Trump? Should I close my eyes to sexism and racism like my white counter parts?
So, it’s better for me to “go back to my country” right? You are racist man.
Dude you are way to into race identity. Sounds like the white guy was a frat guy and so was the dude that hired him. Clearly you said he sucked him off so sounds like your bitter he played the game and you didn't.
My example was to show that if you are not part a group you have to adapt to become part of the group. Obviously you'd rather blame everyone else instead of seeing this and adapting to advance yourself.
The world is a shitty place. You can either whine about or grit you teeth get through the shit and when you can make a change don't forget why to went through the shit.
I’m a frat guy and that guy is not a “frat” guy. By the way, frat life and Greek life in general is so stupid and superficial.
Also, you don’t know me. Don’t make assumptions. You’re just racist bro. It’s okay. You’re white privilege blinds you. I hope one day, you will realize how much privilege you have for just being white. I’m not blaming others, but the system.
Lol you are funny. So you're a college educated American male and also in a frat and you whine like a bitch. You have everything going for you. Clearly you're the issue, because you should be able to call a frat brother and get a job hook up.
Frat life is a way for men to form lifelong brotherhood bonds that end up helping you later in life. It maybe all those things you said but at the end of the day it forms networks that last beyond marriages, births of children and all other things in life.
I was raised in am alcoholic household and fought my dad until I was 16 and he got sober. Ya my white privilege really helped there. I never went to college or University, I'm a blue collar tradesman that has earned everything I have, with the sweat on my brow and the blood on my knuckles. I came from the gutter and fought for everything I have. What about you? Mister so downtrodden?
It’s not the 90’s where I can just call a frat brother up and I can get a job just like that. I get referrals, but no one in their right mind will just hire someone just cause they are brothers. I wouldn’t either. Frats don’t really help much . It depends what school I go to as well. It’s not so simple. I get referrals from fellow alumni, but that’s about it. I’m not going to ask someone to abuse the system.
However, on the other hand, free masonry brothers are far more helpful. They actually help you in many aspects. They won’t get you a job, but they will guide you in areas where you lack. They also make you a better person in general.
I’m not whining about it. It happened in the past and I’m over it. I’m just implying there are bias and discriminations in the workplace. Wish there wasn’t, but there is.
Also, I know there are many people less well off than I. I have a lot to be thankful for, which I am.
Also, to be honest, I have no idea why am I explaining myself to you. Your views will not change I guess. Nor will mine.
You whine that a guy played the game and now you clearly state you are unwilling to play said game. Go live in la-la land with elves and fairies if you think your hard work and merits will get you ahead in this world. You gotta play the game. Especially if you have a strike against you. If you really believe being asian holds you back you are shooting yourself in the foot by not using every advantage you can get.
Yes you are right, you'll never convince me that your race holds you back. It is clearly your shitty attitude and how entitled you are. Sack up man.
Nova Scotia education is the same . Recruiters won't even give white candidates the time of day. Get on their knees to get any minority offering . One of the reason teacher turnover is so high is that they don't get the right people.
This is obvious to anyone that has been paying attention. There are diversity quotas and the focus is not on equal opportunity but on non white female results. For example no school board is focusing on hiring men since females make up the vast majority.
My company has publically stated that the goal is to have 50% of the employment non-white males by a certain date. How the federal government isn't cracking down on these constitutional discrimination violations is beyond me.
Our company found out how many summer students we could get, 50, half of them had to be girls. We then secured a Girls in STEM grant which meant another 12 positions were available, only for women. EQUAAAALIIITTYYY
in modern society we are basically seeing huge numbr of of poor quality underqualified women overpromoted and overpiad... this is also why so many women are dropping out of things as they were never that motivated anyway but where mentored and coaxed in that direction and all assesments and stanards were lowered to allow them to be there
Even at the basic workplace level they are being artifically praised;
That's actually also disrespectful to the others who get the job because it will feel like they only got it because of their gender and skin tone, not because of their ability, which is the #1 factor of hiring literally anybody.
That's partially our fault considering we shouldn't watch the news, because it's garbage in the first place. And most of us white males have learned to not watch the garbage media, so they have to appeal to different demographics. Everything that is going on has nothing to with what's right or wrong, it has everything to do with economic trends and the slow death of large conglomerates that's driving all this. I pray that people can see this.
Same thing with all form of government job in Canada, including police and any large organizations. Even social services are restricted access for non-white non-males. I applied and was denied expressly on the grounds that I was a white male and "Should have a rich uncle or something."
Yup. He was a white guy so not sure if he meant it tongue-in-cheek. I remember his words. "Unfortunately we don't have any programs for your demographic. If you were a visible minority or a single woman I would have something for you. Don't you have a rich uncle or something?" and then he smiled a half-crooked smile. I took it to mean that he saw the bias and felt bad for me.
I had just moved to the city looking for work. I was laid off of my previous job when I filed a sexual harrassment complaint against my supervisor. Human Resources and the Management team laughed at me and when I said "Well I don't want to work under these conditions." they said "Okay we accept that as your resignation." and had security escort me out of the building.
I was unable to find work there so I moved to a bigger city to find work. Didn't have any money and no job. If not for my cousin letting me crash on his couch I would have been looking for a shelter. I couldn't get EI because my employer put Voluntary Resignation of my Record of Employment.
I appealed the ROE and had to solicit my employer for my personnel file. There was enough evidence in there to prove that something a little funny happened and in doubt I eventually got on EI shortly before finally taking a job as an order desk. In the interim before proving my case for EI is when I applied for the welfare assistance.
This Twitter thread is all good until the last tweet, where unfortunately this man feels the need to bend to the woke mob. Also he mentioned racism, but didn't say anything about sexism in the situation.
I’m from a minority but I don’t like quotas either... I want to feel like I earned my job, not like it’s handed to me on a plate. That’s how it happens for « normal » people and I want just to feel « normal », doing the opposite only focuses on the fact that I’m different. I don’t want to be treated differently because I feel like I’m a regular Joe even though I’m labelled as a minority by others.
Just don’t hate minorities because of things like that, it’s the system that’s fucked up, not us.
doesn't it feel condescending or patronizing that they're basically saying "You can't get in on your own merits so we will make the requirements lower for you'
When in reality there are many, many minorities that can qualify without special help
its a popular trend im afraid. "fuck whitey" and hashtags advocating for white male genocide is all too common. Fighting racism and sexism with more racism and sexism will only create more of both.
Yeah, if you get white people mad when you say things like that, unsurprisingly they are likely to become more bigoted. If only the fuck whitey people had 2 brain cells to rub together, maybe they’d figure that out. Or maybe their intention is just to virtue signal to make themselves feel good, and buy all of the minority votes...
i've met many people on here and in other places that believe to the core that white people are the cause of all the worlds problems and they should be killed off. But for the most part im betting most of them are virtue signalers looking for the votes.
Screeching feminism is for equality is as laughable as the MSM repeatedly saying BLM protests are peaceful. As patently stupid as saying Islam is a religion of peace. Reality proves all the above wrong.
This is what happens when you allow feminism to be taught as fact instead of a religious devotion like astrology.
whomeverIwishtobe 5y ago
If this subreddit really cares about men's rights that means black and minority rights matter too.
It's proven in many studies I can link you that black and brown people are discriminated against in hiring.
https://www.fastcompany.com/90514809/to-close-corporate-americas-inequality-gap-we-need-to-end-discrimination-against-black-job-applicants
That's why it's important that room is made for minorities and women in positions that are typically only given to straight white men. Workplace discrimination is caused by systemic racism.
This is a men's right's issue for minority men and if you're a decent man you should care.
VeganPropaganda_ 5y ago
That’s... illegal
Hirudin 5y ago
If by "illegal" you mean effectively mandatory. A company that doesn't find some way to shoehorn in every grievance group under the sun (even with it being technically illegal to do so) is going to find itself on the receiving end of an endless parade of lawsuits from the usual mob of woke extortionists.
Mens_rights_matter2 5y ago
But being done and nobody cares because males have had privilege since the beginning of time./s
Life935 5y ago
nah thats america now
TheRikari 5y ago
That's racist and sexist
Mytriptorussia2018 5y ago
Exactly.
[deleted] 5y ago
And sexist.
McDeez-Nuts 5y ago
Nah remember can't be racist against white people
RedSamuraiMan 5y ago
Remember, Remember, the /s, reddit member...
McDeez-Nuts 5y ago
There
mhandanna 5y ago
dude its stanard, that uni in germany didnt even take male applications for 6 months for professors, irish gov just announced 12 female only proffesorships, its in scottish law you have to hire woman over man to fill quotas and even when its 100% female you still MUST offer women only training, mentoring, interview practice etc... the world is full of underqualified, unmotivated, overpromoted women... thee funny thing is, they then drop out as they were never really motivated and driven to do it and then people blame sexism culture, when really they were molly coddled and helped every sterp of way to the point where the interviewer is literally coaching them how to interview
This is common. In many organisations you have to write a letter to the board why you didnt hire a woman.
https://gov.scot/publications/gender-representation-public-boards-scotland-act-2018-statutory-guidance/pages/7/ scottish gov just made 51% male sexist but 100% female acceptable... also once 50:50 and even 100% female is reached, YOU MUST STILL mentor women only, adverties to women only, interview help women. Also *BANNED* companies from reporting when they hired a woman OVER an equally qualified men just for being woman
in modern society we are basically seeing huge numbr of of poor quality underqualified women overpromoted and overpiad... this is also why so many women are dropping out of things as they were never that motivated anyway but where mentored and coaxed in that direction and all assesments and stanards were lowered to allow them to be there
Even at the basic workplace level they are being artifically praised;
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8352451/Bosses-underperforming-female-workers-kinder-truthful-feedback-men-study-reveals.html#newcomment
and at school;
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnpopularFacts/comments/ght5dj/teachers\_mark\_girls\_higher\_for\_identical\_work\_to/
https://youtu.be/XhZ9P3DIr5g
and of course when women are in power their performance is over inflated e.g. in Covid were they are literally making it up
of course men are still thriving to the top despite this bias starting at kindergarten
grandmasbroach 5y ago
The issue I have with this is, it seems really simplistic to say all differences are from discrimination or oppression. If we are to live in a free society. Don't we also have to accept that people will freely choose different things and therefor end up at different places?
I think this line of thinking also conflates money to be happiness. An artist making less money is probably a lot happier doing that than a manager of some sort who makes far more money. In that case, the artist or musician is basically knowingly trading some of their financial well being, for a different kind. Those are the sort of choices I am referring to when I say if we are going to be free, we have to accept that we will end up at different points. Someone who is rich financially, may be very poor socially or emotionally. Someone who is poor financially, may be rich socially and emotionally. There are trade offs we make at the level of the individual that will dictate what happens, in what realm, to us.
When someone says equality of outcome, I always wonder, in what part of life? Financially, socially, emotionally, etc?
neveragoodtime 5y ago
SJWs have defined “success” as whatever the white male has and is doing. It’s a philosophy based in envy, rather than celebrating the success of women and minorities, they envy the narrow success of white men. They will never be satisfied with their own success in life if there is a white man who is successful at something else. Women are successful nurses? That’s not good enough, they need to be doctors and surgeons like those white men. They make more money so that must be better. Never mind that they never get to see their family and have insane amounts of job stress and pressure since people’s lives are literally in their hands.
They want women and minorities to be doing whatever white men are, which is generally relegated to whatever it takes to earn more money.
grandmasbroach 5y ago
Even with white men, the only way that works is by using the apex fallacy. Most men will never have any sort of real wealth or power. Only the top half of a percent or so does, and that gets extrapolated on to the other 99.5% as if we have the same. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Apex_fallacy
TC1851 5y ago
In Canada, where I live, affirmative action programs such as that are legal.
Morgsz 5y ago
Legal and one way.
2016 the Court overruled a man's will that the money be used to set up a fund for white males.
mhandanna 5y ago
Oh any links to that?
Morgsz 5y ago
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nationalpost.com/news/canada/ontario-judge-overturns-doctors-will-that-would-have-granted-scholarships-only-to-white-heterosexual-students/amp
Looks like race was also involved, thought I recall one about no men's only, but could not find it in a 10 second google search.
CertainCrow1 5y ago
Sure... But without evidence will anything be done? Even this Barbara can deny and it became a he said/she said.
It's no different than when filling out recruitment info for any major company and asks you I'd you are a visible minority. Can either not answer which means I'm white or say I'm white combined with being a male. Either way means I'm probably less likely to get the job over someone with similar qualifications
rahsoft 5y ago
I think then you would only need for them to produce the stats on their hiring demographics and when you see no white males( after that date) you can then argue what has so dramatically changed in that time? a sudden drop in applicants or a policy change?
Occam razor will say... policy change..
kakaroxx 5y ago
I mean, isn't that the premise of the whole metoo movement? Believing something without evidence.
[deleted] 5y ago
what i like to do is put down my race as "other" or "african american", since my parents are from south africa and i'm american. if they ask why i'm white, i'll just call them racist.
ProfaneGhost 5y ago
Just tell them you're black like Shaun King.
ApprehensiveMail8 5y ago
Either that or she could just act like she's the hero for being sexist and racist.
Fedida has issued her own statement: “I am proud of my decades of work of hiring, supporting, and promoting talented journalists of color. And, unlike these heartbreaking and incredibly misleading claims about me, that track record is well-documented and undeniable.""
https://www.foxnews.com/media/news-anchor-abc-news-barbara-fedida-network-couldnt-hire-white-males
And in case you don't trust Fox news:
https://abc11.com/abc-news-executive-barbara-fedida-placed-on-leave-over-alleged-racist-comments/6248295/
She was already getting fired because of other racist (against black people) stuff she did when this came out.
CertainCrow1 5y ago
Guess I shouldn't be surprised anymore... Unreal the hamster wheel is turning with that one
Thepolander 5y ago
I'm from Canada but I applied for my dream job in the UK (strength and conditioning coach for a professional sports team).
The application asked my gender, race, religion, and sexual orientation (male, white, Christian, straight).
Within 3 minutes of clicking submit (maybe 2m45s or so) I received an email informing me that there were stronger applicants and I was not being considered.
I guarantee no human read that application and the system auto rejected me. I have an MSc and 8 years of experience working with elite athletes it's not like I was unqualified.
Too bad when I was on the character creation screen before my birth I chose straight white male /s
Arthuyo 5y ago
That's also common with age discrimination. People report getting rejected in minutes when their college graduation date is requested.
CertainCrow1 5y ago
That's brutal and confirms basically what I always suspected
Thepolander 5y ago
They didn't even try to make it seem like they considered me. They could have had the system wait a day or two and then reject me
ZSCroft 5y ago
At least you didn’t get your hopes up lol
bufedad 5y ago
If over those years she only hired women and minorities, then it supports his case.
qemist 5y ago
Good point. The data should exist and such statistics have been used before to prove illegal discrimination.
Arthuyo 5y ago
If there is enough data, so if there are only 2-3 hires in 3 years, is too little data to prove.
Aaod 5y ago
Oh that isn't true we also hired the white son of one of the C suite people therefore we are not sexist or racist.
cld8 5y ago
It depends how many people were hired. If the sample size isn't big enough, then it's hard to prove.
bufedad 5y ago
This is true, but we're talking a major organization... so it's not like they'll have only hired one or two people.
cld8 5y ago
Yeah, it depends on how much of the hiring that person was responsible for.
grandmasbroach 5y ago
And who's paying for all the lawyers and forensic accountants, exactly?
bufedad 5y ago
Forensic accountants? Someone watches too much TV. However, in the US, the EEOC would do the preliminary work and authorize a lawsuit if its warranted
grandmasbroach 5y ago
A forensic accountant is just someone who specializes in tracking records. They are hired all the time for stuff like divorce cases, business lawsuits, etc. I think you are watching too much TV and projecting that on to me. Especially considering I haven't had cable in almost 15 years. I was a cord cutter about a decade before it was trendy. Even so, that's not an argument.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forensic_accounting
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/forensicaccounting.asp
Google, forensic accountant. Let me know how many you could hire in your area alone. I've got about 80 accounting firms near me that offer it as a service. It's absolutely a real thing and probably used even more than tv makes it out.
bufedad 5y ago
And absolutely useless in determining hiring h practices.
grandmasbroach 5y ago
How is that relevant to if they exist in large numbers? I think someone here just likes to argue...
bufedad 5y ago
Forensic Accountants exist in large numbers... and are still useless in this discussion...
They do serve a purpose, it's just not this one.
scrubtoyachty 5y ago
If you clicked on either link that the commenter posted, you would see how your comment here should be deleted, no?
bufedad 5y ago
No
lolinokami 5y ago
Ignorant and arrogant, what a combo.
Strelock 5y ago
I'm actually not sure that's the case. Straight white male isn't a protected class, so it's probably perfectly fine. Definitely unethical though. IANAL.
cld8 5y ago
In the US, protected classes refer to characteristics, not groups. For example, gender is a protected class. Race is a protected class. You cannot be discriminated against on the basis of race or gender, regardless of what your race or gender is.
Strelock 5y ago
Good to know, thanks.
Strelock 5y ago
I'm actually not sure that's the case. Straight white male isn't a protected class, so it's probably perfectly fine. Definitely unethical though. IANAL.
ApprehensiveMail8 5y ago
The application was in the UK so I believe the proper acronym would be IANAB.
Strelock 5y ago
Really? ABC7 is in California I thought.
ApprehensiveMail8 5y ago
Ah- you are correct sir. I thought the comment was a reply to another rather than to the main post.
Gonzila077 5y ago
Look at that white male privilege at work /s
philhalo66 5y ago
fighting racism and sexism with more racism and sexism.. are these people stupid? excluding white men will do nothing but piss people off.
I'll never understand how people think its okay to literally by definition discriminate against white people. like wtf man this is not what anyone who fought for racial equality wanted.
if you watch any of MLK speeches he did not want this stuff he wanted a world were your race didnt matter because people judged you on your actions. The left has gone full on anti white anti male and its sickening.
ThePiachu 5y ago
"You're in luck! I'm a white male, both of which are a minority in the global statistics!" /s
yesiknowimacunt 5y ago
Years ago I applied for a position as a train driver with Scotrail. I didn't get through as I was told they were looking to employ females and those from ethnic minority groups. Happens all the time. Positive discrimination or some bullshit.
SuicidePig 5y ago
Theyre doing the same at Eindhoven Technical University in the Netherlands. For the next couple of years they will only hire women for any position, be it a professor or a janitor or anything else.
Zederikus 5y ago
How can the USA be both ends of the spectrum at the same time alll the time?
Mrmastermax 5y ago
My previous employer did this and it was under the wraps. He did not want any man in management only woman.
Ebinebinebinebin 5y ago
Men count as a minority right?
nathanielsnider 5y ago
In america yes but by a very small margin
feminismIsHateOfMen 5y ago
This is nothing new. The funny thing is that black, Hispanic, Asian, etc. populations are called "minorities". However all these populations are more numerous than the white people on earth. Whites are precisely the most minority race on earth (among the major ones).
This is nothing new, whites are the most victims of racial discrimination and the laws are against them. Of course, in countries where whites are a minority there is no such nonsense, so it's absolutely ridiculous. All the more so as cotats do not relate to the populations present on a territory and are not related to qualifications either.
This is one of the factors of the large number of unemployed and at the same time of vacancies.
As far as sex discrimination is concerned, it is the same thing. Only female cotat is instore and no male cotat is instore. So it's a double penalty because not only is it stupid but it's not equal in stupidity.
I see a lot of small businesses with 20 women, usually in pink rooms with pictures of women on the walls. This is my personal experience in my country. But I'm sure it's pretty much the same in all Western countries.
I am absolutely against any system of so-called anti-discrimination cotats or penalties, which are the very definition of discrimination.
In spite of the low approval rate, I would still say that I am in favour of a world with multiple independent countries with a single ethnicity in the majority per country and therefore culture. I am against the standardization of the world, which is a danger in every social, economic, political, freedom, historical, health, etc., aspect.
I suspect that many of you reading this are at odds with it because it was learned in schools in an absolutely despicable way certain social ideas.
I hope you have understood that there is nothing discriminatory about this idea, quite the contrary. A world like this embodies cultural diversity and mutual respect in the diversity of ideas and beliefs.
[deleted] 5y ago
Affirmative action is a cancer that is ripping apart this country. why are we so divided? because radicals have made it so.
CSMastermind 5y ago
At my last job we explicitly didn't hire a software engineer because, and I'm quoting, "we have too many white guys".
There was another, probably one of the most qualified I've ever come across (30 year career including the last 10 at Google, on the committee of a well known programming language, coauthored an important technical spec in the field, aced all of our technical interviews) that we didn't hire because, again quoting, "He's too old to work here".
We also blatantly discriminated in favor of female candidates. To the point where the average interview rating of one of the main engineers doing the interviews was 2.3/5 for men and 4.8/5 for women across ~200 interviews. Basically statistically impossible.
I documented everything and filed a complaint with HR on my way out the door that I'm sure they buried.
jp_mra 5y ago
I had a boss (w/f) tell me to my face (w/m), "there are too many white men here. My next hire will only be female." She then hired a w/f with only average qualifications.
cld8 5y ago
Why didn't you file a complaint with the EEOC?
CSMastermind 5y ago
I actually pulled up the page and thought about it but to be honest I'm paid extremely well and I really don't want to lose my job or screw up my future career opportunities.
I still have my copy of the documentation so I guess if I'm ever independently wealthy I could post it using people's real names. I think about those candidates who got rejected from time to time and wonder if they know that it was their gender, skin color, or age that kept them from getting the job. Would they want to know? Maybe ignorance is bliss, there's nothing they can do about it now.
cld8 5y ago
I suppose this is the underlying problem. People don't want to speak up, in order to protect their own careers, which is completely understandable in a way, but results in the problem getting worse because the people advocating for "diversity" are more outspoken.
Metroid545 5y ago
Got a friend who works for google and a few years he did a lot of recruiting for them. Told me about how they were told to turn down all white and asain applicants unless they were beyond good but others especially woman who barely meet minimum requirements gave them bonuses if they were signed on.
He did not see a problem with that
Lethn 5y ago
It's the soft bigotry of low expectations scenario that's often cited, these are people who think it's perfectly acceptable to discriminate if they think it 'helps' minorities and women. Of course your friend thinks it's okay despite the fact that he's white, that's what all these guys are like when it comes to this shit. They think they won't be replaced so what do they care as long as they get their paycheck at the end of the day?
What they don't realise though is that the social justice movement is a parasite or a cancer that kills the host. So it will spread throughout the company and they'll continually get rid of qualified people for the sake of 'diversity' to the point where he'll be the only one left and then they'll finally tell him to get lost so some diversity hire gets in. The good news is that companies like this will always collapse precisely because they get rid of anyone qualified to do the jobs and I think this is why social media sites and so on are becoming such a clusterfuck now. Nothing they do is making sense and even their algorithm's which were originally developed by some fairly clever people are getting broken.
jking0989 5y ago
Why do diversity quotas exist in the first place?
nathanielsnider 5y ago
because when women or minorities don't qualify for something, it must be oppression, definitely not the consequences of their actions
Nergaal 5y ago
reparations
Keenin455 5y ago
Because it's been hammered into society's head that when a woman or minority fails at something, it's due to some nebulous, oppressive force (racism, sexism, homophobia, you name it) keeping them down.
And when a white man fails at something, well, he failed and should take responsibility for it. Work harder.
jking0989 5y ago
But I mean there were blatantly racist policies in the not so distant past that were against poc and women such as the new deal, and unions, or am I wrong? That all being said the USA does has a long history of having blatantly racist men in charge who often overlooked competent men and women of color for jobs they were over qualified for, our very own leader in office is guilty of it as well.
Keenin455 5y ago
And do you think every white man applying for a job to support himself, especially in these difficult times when we're faced with in a pandemic, deserves to have his position taken by a minority or woman through Affirmative Action because some bad, powerful white men in the distant past made things difficult? I mean, if it's wrong to ascribe certain characteristics to one demographic, it should be so the other way.
I deplore this as I deplore racism and discrimination in other forms. Your insinuation is exactly that.
jking0989 5y ago
I wouldn’t necessarily consider 70s-mid 90s as the “distant past”. It was during this not so distant past that many of the members of the middle class and upper classes made their fortunes while others were being pushed down. Now I do agree, it is a very sensitive and probably controversial topic, but how exactly do you level the playing field? On one hand you have a group of people who have been reaping the benefits of this nation for 400 years, and others who have been getting the short end of the stick for 400 years... you simply can’t wipe away all that has happened and say “ From now on everyone is going to be treated as equals” when it hasn’t been that way for hundreds of years.
Benito_Mussolini 5y ago
Put those goalposts back. You were referring to to the 1930's and now it's suddenly 1980 in this response.
I also am not going to engage in a battle of bits with you since you are clearly unarmed.
E: missed a word
redditor_aborigine 5y ago
Fuck you people. All of you.
ElectraUnderTheSea 5y ago
No one should be blamed for one's ancestors crimes or for what was socially acceptable in the past. That's just absolutely and fundamentally wrong.
Mytriptorussia2018 5y ago
Our ancestors are not criminals. They are brave, strong people, who brought order, civilization, culture and development to its colonies.
Keenin455 5y ago
And I repeat: Do you think every white man applying for a job to support himself, especially in these difficult times when we're faced with a pandemic, deserves to have his position taken by a minority or woman through Affirmative Action?
Answer the question. Don't tip toe around.
You consider the merit and qualifications of a person and apply accordingly.
Pretty simple concept.
Every single white man, including those who have died from suicide, have mental illness, the homeless, the male victims of domestic violence and rape, divorced fathers who have lost their children, you are actually insinuating they are responsible for these crimes towards minorities and women from the few above?
Okay, I'm going to be very blunt: You and others of your kind with this thinking are reprehensible and have lead to a lot of white male blood.
Seriously. Between the riots and all the demands from idealogical radicals for white people whom have never harmed a minority or woman in their life to kneel and kiss the ground they walk on, I've lost all patience.
You want continue living this delusion that is leading to unfair treatment towards white men, fine.
But a lot of those white men are reaching their breaking point. And when they snap, it's going to get ugly. Don't say I didn't warn you.
jking0989 5y ago
The rioters demand nothing from white people.... all they demand is that police stop killing them.... they don’t ask white people to kneel and kiss the ground they walk on, all they ask is for racism to stop... if that is considered unfair treatment of white men.... then son we all have bigger problems.
Panderjit_SinghVV 5y ago
Africans are already under represented among those killed by police based on number of police contacts.
African privilege.
Excitable people have been misled by the MSM again.
philhalo66 5y ago
wanna make a bet? how about BLM members demanding white people literally wash their feet and kiss their boots?
Keenin455 5y ago
And how is torching businesses to ash, destroying those defending their livelihoods, going to stop police from killing them? Hmm?
Don't go giving me that "Boo hoo, who cares about corporations.". I'm referring to small businesses (restaurants, salons, etc) many owned by black people, that aren't insured.
This is hate. Pure and simple. You are supporting hate. Every single one of you trying pass off the rioters as decent people fighting the system when they're simply burning anything in their way, VANDALIZING AND FUCKING STEALING.
I'm done with this conversation. One of these days, karma is going to take a huge chomp out of your social justice asses. And I eagerly await that day.
jking0989 5y ago
I’m not defending the rioters, but at times fire must be fought with fire. Never forget if black people never torched businesses, rioted, and protested day and night, they wouldn’t have rights today.
Keenin455 5y ago
Yeah, I'm sure Martin Luther King Jr preferred black people destroy businesses and harm innocent people as part of building a world where people are judged not by the color of their skin but in the content of their character.
Discussion over.
Panderjit_SinghVV 5y ago
That’s completely wrong.
Slavery in the West was ended by European people and they are still the only people to have ended it.
Africans practice slavery to this day. Makes no sense to attack those who ended slavery and celebrate those who still practice it.
perkysue 5y ago
You’re regurgitating what you’ve been fed as accurate. To a vast extent it’s not. Do yourself a favor and back up those claims with facts. Each and every claim needs a historical fact behind it.
mera1066 5y ago
And what you stated, has absolutely nothing to do with what is being discussed!! Btw, African/Asian/South American/Israeli states have inaugurated how many white males as president?
Moln0014 5y ago
Because people don't like crying negros
Mytriptorussia2018 5y ago
They're hoods from south of the sahara desert.
Jakeybaby125 5y ago
What happened to equality of opportunity? Or is it equality of outcome for women and minorities now?
Mytriptorussia2018 5y ago
Actual the minorities are universally the majority. White people only make up 8% of the population (If Nigeria, Bangladesh, Pakistan, China, and India's population are correct)
therapistofpenisland 5y ago
Oh no, dear. See, they realized equality wasn't enough.
Today's term is equity, not equality. It doesn't mean everyone gets the same, it means everyone gets different amounts, but the amounts they get are greater depending on how great their need is. So by playing the oppression Olympics, they can get way, way more than you.
Funny how this all works, isn't it? And kind of sad.
Dunkolunko 5y ago
"Need" not necessarily reflecting actual need.
Ody_ssey 5y ago
Equality of opportunity for men only and Equality of outcome for women and minority.
T0x1cL 5y ago
All people are equal, but some people are more equal than others.
NAWALT_VADER 5y ago
Not even equality of opportunity for men. If men are not allowed to be hired, their opportunity is zero.
grandmasbroach 5y ago
What do you do about it though? I got laid off and had to look for a new place to work. With LinkedIn and the like, it's easy to see who gets hired and for what jobs. I was making it to the interview almost every application I put in, but never offered the job. When I looked up who got it, it was almost always someone less qualified, with less relative experience than me. But, they weren't white. I finally got something that isn't anywhere near my first choice. At this point, unemployment is about to run out and I don't have any other option it seems. I was passed over multiple times for work I have over a decade of experience in, for people who never even worked in the industry and were starting from square one. They weren't entry level jobs by any means either.
Mythandros 5y ago
Equality of outcome is the only "equality" the SJW types have ever wanted.
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Mythandros 5y ago
I agree that feminists want nothing short of total and complete domination. Here's the problem.
They DON'T want to be the ones who take out the trash. The ones who maintain the sewers. The ones who work the oilfields. The ones who have a higher chance of injury and death at work.
If feminists controlled everything, society would completely collapse. Within days.
The truth is, feminism is modern day gender Nazism. I would call them scum, but that would be an unfair insult to scum.
FacelessOnes 5y ago
Equality for minorities? You got to be joking. I applied for a job as the same one my two co-workers applied to.
I was asian, other was black, other was white. No it’s not a bar joke.
White one got an interview landed and got the job, meanwhile I got an interview appointment l, but I was rescheduled 5 times and eventually ghosted. My black coworker didn’t even get a email back saying he was rejected.
Black coworker and I were much more qualified than the white dude and had stellar reviews. White dude was a narcissistic, sexist asshole who sucked the executives dicks. Brotha please. As long as companies have their diversity quotas full, they don’t give a shit about minorities. Also, this happened only two months ago lol.
BurningOrangeHeaven 5y ago
How did they know he was black before meeting him for the interview? Black Americans basically have similar names to white people in most cases....
Imo Asians have it the hardest because the competition for the limited spots(jobs, scholarships, colleges) is even more intense.
FacelessOnes 5y ago
We usually tend to share LinkedIn profiles... many companies that reach out to me is through LinkedIn. My referrals are given through LinkedIn too. Everything companies ask for is LinkedIn now. I work for/apply to/consult start ups and gaming companies, mostly.
BurningOrangeHeaven 5y ago
Ah okay that makes sense. Its pretty dumb they even have a thing to put your picture.
FacelessOnes 5y ago
Yeah, it creates unnecessary bias.
snehehsb 5y ago
So you're whining because the white guy played the game and you didn't and now it's oh they are racist. Maybe it's because he is part of a culture you are unwilling to participate in. Goes both ways. If a white guy moves to Asia and doesn't try to adopt some of the culture he isn't going to get ahead.
whomeverIwishtobe 5y ago
If this subreddit and you really care about men's rights that means black and minority rights matter too.
it's proven in many studies I can link you that black and brown people are discriminated against in hiring.
That's why it's important that room is made for them in positions that are typically only given to straight white men. This is real.
This is a men's right's issue for minority men and if you're a decent man you should care.
FacelessOnes 5y ago
The fuck? How does that relate to me? I’m American born and raised here in New York. So you are saying I’m not part of the American culture? I look asian so I should only relate to Asia? Which I don’t because the Asian culture (Confucius culture) is so toxic.
What game am I supposed to play? Be more white? Be more American? Please tell me how an American (me) can be more white? Should I wave a Confederate flag? Should I support dirtbag Trump? Should I close my eyes to sexism and racism like my white counter parts?
So, it’s better for me to “go back to my country” right? You are racist man.
snehehsb 5y ago
Dude you are way to into race identity. Sounds like the white guy was a frat guy and so was the dude that hired him. Clearly you said he sucked him off so sounds like your bitter he played the game and you didn't.
My example was to show that if you are not part a group you have to adapt to become part of the group. Obviously you'd rather blame everyone else instead of seeing this and adapting to advance yourself.
The world is a shitty place. You can either whine about or grit you teeth get through the shit and when you can make a change don't forget why to went through the shit.
FacelessOnes 5y ago
I’m a frat guy and that guy is not a “frat” guy. By the way, frat life and Greek life in general is so stupid and superficial.
Also, you don’t know me. Don’t make assumptions. You’re just racist bro. It’s okay. You’re white privilege blinds you. I hope one day, you will realize how much privilege you have for just being white. I’m not blaming others, but the system.
rahsoft 5y ago
and this is maybe why you are so blind and bitter.
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lootingProtest awaits yousnehehsb 5y ago
Dude went to college and was In a frat and I didn't even finish high school because I had to work to help my family.
White privilege lol.
snehehsb 5y ago
Lol you are funny. So you're a college educated American male and also in a frat and you whine like a bitch. You have everything going for you. Clearly you're the issue, because you should be able to call a frat brother and get a job hook up.
Frat life is a way for men to form lifelong brotherhood bonds that end up helping you later in life. It maybe all those things you said but at the end of the day it forms networks that last beyond marriages, births of children and all other things in life.
I was raised in am alcoholic household and fought my dad until I was 16 and he got sober. Ya my white privilege really helped there. I never went to college or University, I'm a blue collar tradesman that has earned everything I have, with the sweat on my brow and the blood on my knuckles. I came from the gutter and fought for everything I have. What about you? Mister so downtrodden?
FacelessOnes 5y ago
It’s not the 90’s where I can just call a frat brother up and I can get a job just like that. I get referrals, but no one in their right mind will just hire someone just cause they are brothers. I wouldn’t either. Frats don’t really help much . It depends what school I go to as well. It’s not so simple. I get referrals from fellow alumni, but that’s about it. I’m not going to ask someone to abuse the system.
However, on the other hand, free masonry brothers are far more helpful. They actually help you in many aspects. They won’t get you a job, but they will guide you in areas where you lack. They also make you a better person in general.
I’m not whining about it. It happened in the past and I’m over it. I’m just implying there are bias and discriminations in the workplace. Wish there wasn’t, but there is.
Also, I know there are many people less well off than I. I have a lot to be thankful for, which I am.
Also, to be honest, I have no idea why am I explaining myself to you. Your views will not change I guess. Nor will mine.
snehehsb 5y ago
You whine that a guy played the game and now you clearly state you are unwilling to play said game. Go live in la-la land with elves and fairies if you think your hard work and merits will get you ahead in this world. You gotta play the game. Especially if you have a strike against you. If you really believe being asian holds you back you are shooting yourself in the foot by not using every advantage you can get.
Yes you are right, you'll never convince me that your race holds you back. It is clearly your shitty attitude and how entitled you are. Sack up man.
FacelessOnes 5y ago
I feel bad for you and I hope things get better for you friend!
forge30 5y ago
Nova Scotia education is the same . Recruiters won't even give white candidates the time of day. Get on their knees to get any minority offering . One of the reason teacher turnover is so high is that they don't get the right people.
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Super_Scorplane 5y ago
Story of my early career too...
lostapwbm 5y ago
"Diversity" = Neither white or male.
They're not even pretending otherwise anymore.
nemodigital 5y ago
This is obvious to anyone that has been paying attention. There are diversity quotas and the focus is not on equal opportunity but on non white female results. For example no school board is focusing on hiring men since females make up the vast majority.
JCuc 5y ago
My company has publically stated that the goal is to have 50% of the employment non-white males by a certain date. How the federal government isn't cracking down on these constitutional discrimination violations is beyond me.
cld8 5y ago
Someone needs to apply, be rejected, and file a complaint. Until they do that, the government can't do anything.
jp_mra 5y ago
Affirmative Action makes it legally required for companies to discriminate against white men. It's a nasty law worth reading:
https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/hiring/affirmativeact
Ballyneale12 5y ago
Discrimination against his race and sex, totally illegal.
Panderjit_SinghVV 5y ago
Depending on the country it may be legal.
In Canada for example only sex discrimination against females is illegal and only race discrimination against non-whites illegal.
Mytriptorussia2018 5y ago
I can confirm that.
Ballyneale12 5y ago
That’s fucking ridiculous
redditor_aborigine 5y ago
Canada is the most depraved of the Anglophone countries.
WhiskeyWarmachine 5y ago
Our company found out how many summer students we could get, 50, half of them had to be girls. We then secured a Girls in STEM grant which meant another 12 positions were available, only for women. EQUAAAALIIITTYYY
Samuel71900 5y ago
Source?
TC1851 5y ago
Charter of Rights: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_15_of_the_Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms
Section 15(2) explicitly protects affirmative action programs from being deemed discrimination
mera1066 5y ago
Which of course, is discriminatory!!
Potatolover3 5y ago
Affirmative action is, at its core, racist and sexist. It's the only institution racism and sexism.
Ineedmorebread 5y ago
Sadly In alot of countries this is called positive discrimination and is completely legal.
mhandanna 5y ago
This is common. In many organisations you have to write a letter to the board why you didnt hire a woman.
https://gov.scot/publications/gender-representation-public-boards-scotland-act-2018-statutory-guidance/pages/7/ scottish gov just made 51% male sexist but 100% female acceptable... also once 50:50 and even 100% female is reached, YOU MUST STILL mentor women only, adverties to women only, interview help women. Also *BANNED* companies from reporting when they hired a woman OVER an equally qualified men just for being woman
in modern society we are basically seeing huge numbr of of poor quality underqualified women overpromoted and overpiad... this is also why so many women are dropping out of things as they were never that motivated anyway but where mentored and coaxed in that direction and all assesments and stanards were lowered to allow them to be there
Even at the basic workplace level they are being artifically praised;
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8352451/Bosses-underperforming-female-workers-kinder-truthful-feedback-men-study-reveals.html#newcomment
and at school;
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnpopularFacts/comments/ght5dj/teachers\_mark\_girls\_higher\_for\_identical\_work\_to/
https://youtu.be/XhZ9P3DIr5g
and of course when women are in power their performance is over inflated e.g. in Covid were they are literally making it up
of course men are still thriving to the top despite this bias starting at kindergarten
GreatSmithanon 5y ago
But remember, there's totally no anti-white or anti-male bias in society! It's all a lie made up by MUH ALT RIGHT NEO NAZI HUWHITE SOOPREMACISTS!
a_posh_trophy 5y ago
What's that, like reverse racism and sexism?
That's actually also disrespectful to the others who get the job because it will feel like they only got it because of their gender and skin tone, not because of their ability, which is the #1 factor of hiring literally anybody.
BigMatC 5y ago
its not reverse racism.....its just racism..........
WarOfNoise 5y ago
link to tweet, which should be required in these kinds of posts as far as I care.
iainmf 5y ago
We generally don't allow direct links to the tweets of individuals. In this case, the person is a public figure so I am allowing your link.
WarOfNoise 5y ago
...I see
i will keep that in mind, thank you
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This is not okay
sircocklord 5y ago
Well where is that "White Male privilege" they're constantly mentioning, and since when has 50% of the population been grouped with minorities?
FiveMoo 5y ago
That's partially our fault considering we shouldn't watch the news, because it's garbage in the first place. And most of us white males have learned to not watch the garbage media, so they have to appeal to different demographics. Everything that is going on has nothing to with what's right or wrong, it has everything to do with economic trends and the slow death of large conglomerates that's driving all this. I pray that people can see this.
Simultanagnosia 5y ago
Same thing with all form of government job in Canada, including police and any large organizations. Even social services are restricted access for non-white non-males. I applied and was denied expressly on the grounds that I was a white male and "Should have a rich uncle or something."
alclarkey 5y ago
They actually said this to you?
Simultanagnosia 5y ago
Yup. He was a white guy so not sure if he meant it tongue-in-cheek. I remember his words. "Unfortunately we don't have any programs for your demographic. If you were a visible minority or a single woman I would have something for you. Don't you have a rich uncle or something?" and then he smiled a half-crooked smile. I took it to mean that he saw the bias and felt bad for me.
I had just moved to the city looking for work. I was laid off of my previous job when I filed a sexual harrassment complaint against my supervisor. Human Resources and the Management team laughed at me and when I said "Well I don't want to work under these conditions." they said "Okay we accept that as your resignation." and had security escort me out of the building.
I was unable to find work there so I moved to a bigger city to find work. Didn't have any money and no job. If not for my cousin letting me crash on his couch I would have been looking for a shelter. I couldn't get EI because my employer put Voluntary Resignation of my Record of Employment.
I appealed the ROE and had to solicit my employer for my personnel file. There was enough evidence in there to prove that something a little funny happened and in doubt I eventually got on EI shortly before finally taking a job as an order desk. In the interim before proving my case for EI is when I applied for the welfare assistance.
alclarkey 5y ago
Now that I can believe. Not even a dyed-in-the-wool feminist would have the balls to say that. So to speak.
Curious-Table 5y ago
This Twitter thread is all good until the last tweet, where unfortunately this man feels the need to bend to the woke mob. Also he mentioned racism, but didn't say anything about sexism in the situation.
Still it's great that he talked about it at all.
McDeez-Nuts 5y ago
By hiring those that's discrimination against white men which within just a few years will make white men the minority. And its illegal.
Super_Scorplane 5y ago
I’m from a minority but I don’t like quotas either... I want to feel like I earned my job, not like it’s handed to me on a plate. That’s how it happens for « normal » people and I want just to feel « normal », doing the opposite only focuses on the fact that I’m different. I don’t want to be treated differently because I feel like I’m a regular Joe even though I’m labelled as a minority by others.
Just don’t hate minorities because of things like that, it’s the system that’s fucked up, not us.
nathanielsnider 5y ago
exactly!
doesn't it feel condescending or patronizing that they're basically saying "You can't get in on your own merits so we will make the requirements lower for you'
When in reality there are many, many minorities that can qualify without special help
Super_Scorplane 5y ago
Exactly!
mx30mark 5y ago
I was a manager at a major tech company. Was told i could only hire women of color.
RickWest495 5y ago
A straight white male is the worst thing you can be right now.
madonna-boy 5y ago
fyi being gay doesn't help. it's never on the job applications.
RickWest495 5y ago
But if someone suspects you are gay, it’s another box they can check.
pete7201 5y ago
It sounds like those bosses are racist and sexist, they claim to be fighting oppression by oppressing others wtf.
philhalo66 5y ago
its a popular trend im afraid. "fuck whitey" and hashtags advocating for white male genocide is all too common. Fighting racism and sexism with more racism and sexism will only create more of both.
pete7201 5y ago
Yeah, if you get white people mad when you say things like that, unsurprisingly they are likely to become more bigoted. If only the fuck whitey people had 2 brain cells to rub together, maybe they’d figure that out. Or maybe their intention is just to virtue signal to make themselves feel good, and buy all of the minority votes...
philhalo66 5y ago
i've met many people on here and in other places that believe to the core that white people are the cause of all the worlds problems and they should be killed off. But for the most part im betting most of them are virtue signalers looking for the votes.
pete7201 5y ago
Hmm , like suggesting killing white people will totally not cause more racism and disapproval of the left
philhalo66 5y ago
extremists aren't typically very smart. see the chaz. idiots didn't even know how to plant crops... and they got their very own warlord lol
pete7201 5y ago
I’d love for a biker gang or the military to roll up to the chaz and straighten those fuckers out
philhalo66 5y ago
well as much as i think they should be thrown in prison i dont want to see anyone get hurt, all that will do is re-enforce their arguments and claims.
pete7201 5y ago
I’m hoping that the threat of the military rolling up would be enough to scare these virgins back into normality
philhalo66 5y ago
im sure it will. or them starving from not being able to feed themselves will.
Lion_amongst_gods 5y ago
TU Eindhoven salutes ABC7. We'll send you a box of stroopwafels asap!
-TU/e representative for North America. ^/s
Stewie2ks_Son 5y ago
Technically males are a minority in the US so why ain’t she hiring them.
xAlphaKat 5y ago
Buncha women on the tweet talmbout it's ok, they need to hear her side, buncha garbage.
[deleted] 5y ago
How do they know you are white or Male?
UbiquitousWobbegong 5y ago
Sorry dude. Other white men have been successful before you, so you're not allowed to be successful. That would be racist/sexist. /s
Tmomp 5y ago
He deserves it for having personally oppressed them for centuries.
/s
nathanielsnider 5y ago
ikr!
like my ancestors might have had slaves(but honestly were more likely to have been slaves) so I am an evil racist!
TXJohn83 5y ago
This is clearly sick.
felrozlokk 5y ago
Hiring minorities and women is great but affirmative action hires tend not to take into account qualification of non-affirmative action hires
nyroid 5y ago
Sure she did...
Life935 5y ago
moron
Dnile1000BC 5y ago
Screeching feminism is for equality is as laughable as the MSM repeatedly saying BLM protests are peaceful. As patently stupid as saying Islam is a religion of peace. Reality proves all the above wrong.
This is what happens when you allow feminism to be taught as fact instead of a religious devotion like astrology.
terdude99 5y ago
Hey you I want to tell you something tomorrow we’re going to pack snacks and we all can have fun. to stu. bye.