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yogibearandthekid 3y ago
Shhhh don't tell anyone they might find out women have privilege.
Lukemartinalaska 3y ago
Feminism isn’t resulting in equality, it’s resulting in female dominance. Unacceptable and too far.
Tmomp 3y ago
Actually, they do receive discrimination, favoring them.
Institutionalized sexism, hurting men.
RingosTurdFace 3y ago
And hurting STEM by (it would seem) not selecting the most suitable candidate.
Turtenguin 3y ago
I dont think anyone ever thought women were discriminated against in the education industry
hatefulreason 3y ago
but there's a shortage of "financially attractive" men :)) they'll probably have to work while we stay home, then pay us child support if they divorce
The_Best_01 3y ago
That would be a dream come true.
canthidefromfriends 3y ago
I love how they spin our financial disparity as a problem that only negatively impacts them.
SirYouAreIncorrect 3y ago
There is 2 reasons for that, the education gap is one but the bigger reasons I see is that "financially attractive" men are walking away from the marriage racket, the juice is not worth the squeeze specifically in the era of sexual liberation where "financially attractive" men can easily get as much sex as they desire with out having to risk 50% of the current and future assets/income.
illigal 3y ago
You just figured out how the child support and permanent alimony laws are going to suddenly disappear....
Im_Not_Trash 3y ago
Lets be real. Its convenient to ignore so they're likely gonna stay the same
Taguroizumo 3y ago
Corona is truly awful for feminism and women who work. I wouldn't be shocked if this shit lasts longer and has lasting effects on women. I do know that domestic violence sadly has been on the rise.
empatheticapathetic 3y ago
For real, women who show interest in me always out earn me. And my body is saying “this doesn’t make sense”.
Taguroizumo 3y ago
I want independence but my man must make more money than me.
Good thing i make shit money so only homeless women shall be interested in me.... If only i had a home
10J18R1A 3y ago
Because women who actually make a good income are more interested in the person. I've dated people who make multitudes more than me.
It's the women who are making 30k riding a bus that has their first two paragraphs on a dating profile be about what the man must have. I've fucked a neurosurgeon on an air mattress in a studio while a call center customer rep that didn't have a car was like...um, so THAT'S your car? I don't know...
But they have to make enough for self actualization.
TheRabbitTunnel 3y ago
The funny thing is that theres not a shortage of men who make decent money. Theres a shortage of men who look good, have an "alpha"/confident/assertive personality, and also make lots of money.
Women want all 3 of those, but most attractive "bad boy" men arent financially well off. Hence their complaints. They dont wanna date the shy and/or ugly nerdy guy.
TacoTerra 3y ago
Your incel is leaking.
Thy_Gooch 3y ago
And I'm sure no one wants an ugly wife.
TheRabbitTunnel 3y ago
Correct. But the internet isnt flooded with articles from big/popular websites bitching about women. Bitching about men though? Thats everywhere.
RPDunkleBomb 3y ago
No, but I'd say a good 70-80% would fall under "acceptable" for most men. I think the limiting factor there is more emotional/intellectual than physical.
Online dating statistics tell us that men's physical interest towards average women is 4 times higher than the inverse, whatever that's worth to you.
CertainCrow1 3y ago
Maybe not but do guys demand their wives make 6 figures? Most guys couldn't care less. I tend to think guys are also a bit more forgiving in the looks department.. heck they have to be due to how thirsty most guys are. Like supply and demand
Grave_Heresy 3y ago
Men will settle and marry down. Women will not.
Brae_Andrews 3y ago
Almost all the guys I know have a wife that is uglier than him. Guess this means guys date and marry down aka Settle!...
SirYouAreIncorrect 3y ago
You would have to look at a weeding photos to know that for sure...
More than a few guys I know are married to women and when I look at the weeding photos the guy looks almost the same, but the women appears to be a completely different person...
IAmDefinitelyNotFBI 3y ago
That's their own choice tbh. I've personally dated up (really really up) all my life. If you can't slug out a few months/years being single, and you'd rather just get with anyone who's willing to suck your dick, that's your choice.
Aaod 3y ago
Don't forget have to make good money but only in certain professions so no programmers or IT nerds. Oh it also can't be blue collar either if you are one of the rare blue collar people making 80k+ because white collar women will not date a redneck dude.
Greg_W_Allan 3y ago
Do women still look down their noses at programmers? I know it was like that in the 80s and 90s. I've been out of the field for nearly twenty years and thought it might have changed.
Aaod 3y ago
About half the male programmers I know enough to know their dating status are single despite most of them making good money. In college the numbers are outright dismal and I would be surprised if 25% had a girlfriend.
mariusalb 3y ago
Never in USA
WolfShaman 3y ago
There are cases of it, probably more than we hear about. Nowhere near as common, though. Men would have to be given fair treatment with custody more for men to get child support more.
mariusalb 3y ago
This is why I don’t wanna get married or have kids. This way I won’t have anything to lose
dumnem 3y ago
I feel you dude. However I also found the love of my life.
I'm not sure if I really deserve her but she loves me. We found each other accidentally.
Funny how things work out.
/shrug
ringrawer 3y ago
The fact that they have those degrees is an irrelevant measure.
Not all degrees have a ROI but every man they marry is expected to pay down the debt when he would rather spend it on remodeling the house which would give a ROI when the house is sold.
kona_worldwaker 3y ago
:thinking:
Jondoe879 3y ago
What's the overall scholarship rate though men vs women? Even non-discriminatory ones can be discriminatory
GalileosTele 3y ago
Campus feminists will fight tooth and nail to keep, if not, increase female only scholarships, as universities are their main recruiting grounds.
How campus feminists lure in new recruits
Mister_Way 3y ago
How about total scholarship money received by sex?
I easily mostly accept what this headline implies, but what if when you add it all up, scholarships come out about equal between sexes?
None_of_your_Beezwax 3y ago
More likely to be the reverse. I find it doubtful that many new scholarships are being issued for men only. If there are any, they're likely old. Inflation and whatnot.
Mister_Way 3y ago
I meant what if men are getting a larger share of the "any gender" one such that "any gender + man only " = "women only + any gender."
That is to say, if "any gender" in actual practice biases toward men, then extra "women only" scholarships would actually be balancing it.
That information is not included in this article, and I have my prejudiced idea about what the data would look like, but I would rather see what it does look like.
None_of_your_Beezwax 3y ago
Highly doubtful, given cultural currents. If anything "any gender" will default to female in the current climate.
Mister_Way 3y ago
I don't doubt that that is true, and yet I hold out for data.
anonoman925 3y ago
They also earn more degrees that translate to jobs that pay less.
https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/highest-paying-college-majors-gender-composition-of-students-earning-degrees-in-those-fields-and-the-gender-pay-gap/
MrMister2018 3y ago
This is probably unpopular to say, but I feel like women should get slightly more (in everything) Just so they stop moaning about it.
Like... say if woman complains that not enough women are represented in a certain area? - When she asks the head of that organisation. Or asks someone who she trusts can give her accurate info. That person can then say "Actually 55% of our company is women"
That way she has no reply, and is left feeling guilty and ashamed. Meanwhile.... Men (Who don't know, and don't care about male representation) don't even complain about it. Which rubs it in to her, even more. - That she's got what she wants, and men aren't bothered about it.
[deleted] 3y ago
This already happens everywhere it is feasible (i.e. everywhere more women actually want to be). In every professional position where women don't want to be the few who apply are already shown incredible preference.
Absolutely does not stop them from complaining. It just changes the complaint from "I'm being discriminated against because I am female," to "I'm being discriminated against because the boss thinks he's cute." The only thing that stops women from complaining about discrimination is if the bias is blatantly in their favor. They call that equality or equity or whatever word they've redefined to suit their purpose today.
No it doesn't. Women, feminists in particular lack the self awareness, social awareness and empathy necessary to draw that conclusion.
You can't reason with feminists. I've spent hours trying. Their purpose isn't actual equality of the sexes. Their purpose is female social, economic, legal, and political power over men and they want everyone to believe it's equality.
Your non-radicals are attracted to feminist positions even if they don't identify as feminists because those positions get them advantages they would not get in an unbiased system. Your average Jane thinks the bra-burners are crazy but has stil absorbed the social programming they've put out her entire life and still thinks women are discriminated against. She's so thoroughly indoctrinated that even obvious instances of anti-male discrimination get balanced out in her mind by all the propaganda she's been fed and she excused a little anti-male bias as just a small, very small, balancing of the scales.
TheStumblingWolf 3y ago
Give the devil a finger and he'll take the hand.
These policies will only lead to taking more and more, using newspeak to excuse it. They (SJWs, extreme lefties etc.) will keep moving the goal post.
Ahielia 3y ago
They get so much more than men and they are still whining.
timeforknowledge 3y ago
No offence but imo that's ridiculous...
We should be looking to create equality not create inequality just so we can say ha your argument is invalid.
Object to any and all injustice.
RPDunkleBomb 3y ago
A movement that claims it's seeking equality when it's actually seeking preferential outcome, will simply label you as antagonist if you get in the way by seeking true equality of opportunity.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
MrMister2018 3y ago
What I'm saying is: Men can handle inequality. Women can't. We're not bothered.
Equality isn't the right word, anyway. People always want more.
xNOM 3y ago
Dude. Have you ever met a woman? This is not how the female mind works.
MrMister2018 3y ago
No. I was sent down from Heaven. Not birthed by a female on earth.
dontpet 3y ago
I'm sympathetic to your suggestion. The example given of women having 55 percent of the top jobs in a company would have a lot more women being promoted than men.
Women leave for pregnancy and children, and for other reasons where they leave the workforce much more than men. You would likely have to have 70 or 80 percent of new upper management being women to maintain that 55 percent.
That would be getting into some very overt discrimination against men.
sensuallyprimitive 3y ago
50/50 is overt discrimination vs men. because we should look at merit, not genitals.
MrMister2018 3y ago
It would be all women's responsibility to correct, though ;) they want the power, after all
The_Best_01 3y ago
Assuming that will be enough for them. They'll probably keep pushing for more and more women.
ggygt1 3y ago
Greedy bastards
The_Best_01 3y ago
Welcome to feminism.
azazelcrowley 3y ago
They're not greedy. They've managed to memefiy sociopathic narcissism.
They're so self-absorbed they don't understand the problem and genuinely see it as fair.
Imagine a string of words you could say to make a person turn into a serial killer, like a memetic hazard. That's what feminism is in terms of narcissistic personality disorder.
Women who internalize it become selfish narcissists, and the system of ideas and rationalizations feminism represents prevents them from understanding that's how they are behaving, because they only evaluate things from within the perspective of a selfish narcissist. Their perspective is fundamentally incapable of viewing the flaws in itself, but they are incapable of treating other perspectives as valid, because that rejection of alternative frames of reference is itself a part of their dogma.
It's like how it's often pointless to try and convince someone there is a conspiracy that there isn't one. They're not capable of viewing things through multiple reference points and evaluating a bigger picture.
AgincourtSalute 3y ago
Whilst I like the sentiment of your statement, I don’t think it would be mathematically possible. For women to be 55% of everything, they’d have to be 55% of the population, or there simply wouldn’t be enough of them to fill all the posts. If they were 55% of the population they would then claim that it was perfectly correct for them to hold 55% of the posts, and to achieve your position of making them look entitled, you would have to make sure they held 60%. This would then have to continue until the population was completely female and that is obviously not possible. I don’t think we can ever stop those who think that they are naturally entitled.
MrMister2018 3y ago
55% was just an example. I just mean generally give women slightly more in different situations.
I have 2 potatoes on my plate. She has 3.
[deleted] 3y ago
You're going hungry.
NCatP_returns 3y ago
Ever heard of the term 'give em a foot and they'll take a mile'? In a reasonable world yeah this could work. But no, they will just ignore it and continue asking for more and more
Wisemanner 3y ago
Because no males in power have the guts to say: "No!"
anticultured 3y ago
Like another minority I keep hearing about.
MrMister2018 3y ago
Facts and statistics would be evidence that they're already getting more. So, they'd legally have no leg to stand on if they asked for more.
NCatP_returns 3y ago
youd think but :/
MrMister2018 3y ago
I don't think there is even a but, though. Could even have a situation, where female bosses have to (by law) report/tell women these stats.
furry8 3y ago
I feel the reality of our world is that women have ALWAYS had an easier life. They have always been protected from workplace deaths etc.
Feminism seems to be linked to female’s ability to make men work for them. Rather than equality.
If they get 60% of all college places they will still point to men having won 90% of historic nobel prizes or 99% of chess grandmasters as a reason why they should have 70%
Uqtpa 3y ago
True. Women have far more advantages and privileges than men. Women live life on easy mode in comparison to men.
armed_renegade 3y ago
I don't know about always.
But certainly for the last 15 years there's no argument they have. And you might be able to argue the last 30.
But the thing I find most disturbing is that women only want equality when it comes to all the good shit men have. They want to be executives, politicians, etc. but you don't hear them complaining about the 99% of bricklayers are men. You don't hear them screeching that they're not being allowed to lay bricks.
When women stop trying to force equality of outcome from only the cushy jobs in the world, then I'll start listening.
Mcstalker01 3y ago
I think always is a stretch, I would argue 20+ years ago women did not have an easier life than men. But things have changed drastically since then.
jaanun 3y ago
Could you further explain why you think women have always had it easier? Preferably with historical context. Im interested because all throughout school ive been taught that they had it harder and an opposing viewpoint seems interesting.
furry8 3y ago
Society has always protected women from dangerous jobs. Historically - Most of the work was dangerous and not just sitting in an air conditioned office sending emails.
sensuallyprimitive 3y ago
and wars
The_Best_01 3y ago
Yep, feminism is basically a huge exercise in chivalry.
Home--Builder 3y ago
Chivalry minus the obligations of the woman.
The_Best_01 3y ago
As if chivalry ever included that.
Home--Builder 3y ago
Well they were supposed to act feminine at least.
The_Best_01 3y ago
Yeah, that's true.
CrunchyJeans 3y ago
Plus, I think females tend to get more academic awards. Back in high school we had like 12 awards given to females and one guy got it because he was a music genius.
In college? A bit more even. Not sure if there is any correlation between gender and academic awards. There probably is, though I’m not sure if the ratio.
nathansikes 3y ago
57 to 43 sounds pretty reasonable considering way more men go into trades without college. What's interesting to me is that there needs to be 11 times as many scholarships for women to get to what I consider a pretty even number.
chaun2 3y ago
The real imbalance comes in post graduate school. Women are currently getting something like 75% of terminal degrees, and they still have the imbalance of funding in their favor
Grave_Heresy 3y ago
Doesn't matter. It will continue until women earn 99% of all bachelors degrees because:
Male = Disposable provider
Deeper_Into_Madness 3y ago
X-only schools, scholarships, holidays, etc. only serve to perpetuate whatever wrong they're trying to right. We're all equal humans, simple as that
litfur 3y ago
It’s very hard for me a white guy to find scholarships (I am lgbt so I got some leverage with that)
Little_Whippie 3y ago
Disgusting that this is the path society is going down where people are no longer viewed as people but instead just as another demographic
BurningOrangeHeaven 3y ago
I have known this since 2008 when i was applying for college. One of the most ditzy girls i have know easily got a scholarship while other male friends i knew with 95+ gpa didnt get shit. If you're Asian/south Asian you basically need to be in the top 3 guys of your school to get anything that isnt just a one off lure that they take away after the first year of school.
Personally, i got denied from the low income families HEOP program back then with the excuse of "your grades are too high, we think you will be fine". Required something like a 75 to 85 average and i had exactly an 80.
Whocares727 3y ago
Yup. I grew up low income. Was on honor roll every year and taking college classes since I was 10 with an iq in the 130 range depending on which test. Guess what I got? Nothing. Jack shit. No special programs fund or scholorships. Meanwhile a girl I went to school with who grew up in upper middle class was bragging on Facebook about how she went to check her school loans and they had all been paid off through the college and state and she didn't even fucking apply for anything. They just straight up paid off her shit for her once she got her degree. FUCKING BULLSHIT!!
BurningOrangeHeaven 3y ago
The only reason i got anything was because I basically had the highest SAT score at our school. the system is a joke for so many reasons, imagine not getting much for school or your gpa tanking because you dont want to waste your youth writting english papers or history analyses that are essentially just busy work. Makes no sense if you are trying to go into a stem field anyway.
Just ended up in debt for no reason since i didnt even finish school, one of my biggest regrets.
Whocares727 3y ago
Exactly. Some people think Ima loser because I dropped out of high school because I was sick of the busy work and having to take the same fucking classes year after year and so i got my Ged and went straight to college ay 16. Unfortunately my first year in I got hit by a chick who was going 20 over the speed limit and stole her boyfriends car because they had an argument. I never got a dime either . The pigs actually charged me saying I ran a stop sign when they weren't even there and the people who saw me got hit said I didn't run the sign. Got all fucked up and had to drop out of college. The school still charged me for the year and than when I tried to go back they said I had to pay them thousands of dollars up front just to get back in so I said fuck that. Never went back, luckily I'm only about 13k in debt so I'll have it paid off eventually.
Education system is a fucking joke.
dejour 3y ago
I was a little surprised there were any male-only scholarships.
At first, I thought maybe they were counting sports scholarships. But that doesn't appear to be the case.
I imagine that prior to the 1960s, there were cases of people leaving money in a will for a perpetual scholarship for a "young man studying at University of Northern Iowa" or some such thing. As the person is already dead, the rules can't be updated.
Kuato2012 3y ago
11:1 honestly seems on the low side. When I was in school, I found numerous scholarships that I was disqualified for due to being born into the wrong demographic. I never saw even one specifically for males.
dejour 3y ago
They list the numbers for 85 schools here:
http://www.saveservices.org/equity/scholarships/
It's worse at a lot of schools. Take the first one on the list, Auburn. 67 scholarships for women, 1 for men.
tjohn9999 3y ago
Some of those scholarships may be nursing scholarships. Men entering nursing is seen as good for male and female nurses, since men are more willing to ask for more money and overtime can add a certain amount of "legitimacy" to the job. This brings the wages of all nurses up in theory. However, more supply of nurses could depress wages. Men are also more likely to be able to handle more difficult patients easier.
Kuato2012 3y ago
That could be. I understand there's a shortage of male nurses (I almost went into the field just because the job opportunities are great for the foreseeable future). I've also heard from male nurses that they tend to get a lot of extra work, like heavy lifting or dealing with physically dangerous patients, that doesn't come with any extra pay.
rabel111 3y ago
Same experience. Male nurse (paid), thug squad, heavy lifter, technical problem solver, eye candy (unpaid prejudice).
wise_old_man_rs 3y ago
Good. Now let me find a wive that works full time and pay the Bills, i will do some side projects for spending money and stay at Home and watch the Kids, Clean the House and Cook. That would be a dream life. No more Corporate bullshit. And she has to pay me when we divorce because that will Happen once the wife is not Happy anymore and she wants to see the kids more often.
Mytriptorussia2018 3y ago
Буржуй.
wise_old_man_rs 3y ago
Bourgeois?
Peachmage 3y ago
Just checking in: Burjui is an accusive term popular back in the Soviet Russia. It would usually mean something like "a spoiled supporter of capitalist way of life".
That guy probably typed it as a joke.
wise_old_man_rs 3y ago
OK thanks for the explanation Dude
78704dad2 3y ago
We just spent 2-3 years with a new program pumping up all the ladies. Lean in access to executives, extra edu funds for certificates and degrees (MBA), and etc etc. The wash out rate is near 90%. Everyone changed their minds or got pregnant and decided to opt out versus stay on board or take extended leave with new babies. One was not even pregnant.... she just didn’t like the pressure and had options elsewhere.
GimmeDaScoobySnacks 3y ago
So basically a huge waste of money, time and effort that could`ve been better spent elsewhere.
78704dad2 3y ago
It was surreal.
My advice in general.... stop hiring college degree’s that lean towards heavy indoc with little emotional intelligence... just find natural talent.
There’s allot of companies out there that can be great TODAY, by picking up these folks cast out and being forced to compete against the other square pegs everyone thinks are just homogeneous cannon fodder vs unique experiences.
MittenMagick 3y ago
This is basically all special college funds to attract new talent - by college, practically everyone knows if they want to be a doctor or a businessman or a programmer. Most people who change their major still stay in the same wheelhouse (e.g. Electrical Engineering to IT, Pre-med to Exercise Science). If they won't stay in the program without the help, then "forcing" them to stay by making their ability to fund their education dependent on staying is just going to create stress and regret.
True change has to happen earlier.
78704dad2 3y ago
Freakonomics kind of accounted for this pretty thoroughly. It's about biology playing out......and by late 20's, mid 30's........they all check out and fall off the map. You cannot beat biology or an economy so prosperous it comes down to choice to opt out. It's affecting the bottom line though......I think Covid and the next election cycle and a re framing of national focus will remove some of this societal engineering that is antiscience vs equality of outcome.
rabel111 3y ago
Equity has got a bad name now like feminism, Gillette, pay gap. It's synonymous with feminist extremist privilege, where 70% of undergraduate enrolments being female is described a just the beginning.
tame17 3y ago
So it's working as designed?
RPDunkleBomb 3y ago
Now do one on female-only housing opportunities vs homeless.
Little_Whippie 3y ago
Hmm it's almost as if being sexist in retaliation to sexism never is good for a society
TripleMaxor 3y ago
Universities are scamming these females with trash degrees mostly, they get low wages if they even get a job too. Be free from debt and the educational financial trap or get an education in a good field only and that you can realistically pay back the debt incurred.
thatusenameistaken 3y ago
Single women under 30 actually make more than men. Only the ones who decide to live off their SO or have kids make the same or less.