I think it is good to know what some might say. But we don't know context. Could be a Christian nun saying it. Could be anyone. We also don't know how common the thought is. We also don't know if the person is feminist. Or if they are at least internally consistent in their ethics.
If I were not part ape, and able to balance probabilities, it would be good to be exposed to this OP. But I'm not. I get an emotional reaction. Hurt, fear, rage.
It's harmful. Anything without at least a clear source like this is harmful. And leaves us very much vulnerable to manipulation and misinformation.
Oh yes, because Men have so much control over what women do with any offspring they might produce. Always have to love how when it benefits them a child is a mutual product for which both parents bear responsibility, but when it is inconvenient... well it is their body of which that child is a product and Men should have no input on the matter. Well if women want to play that game, fine I guess, but it means the choice as to whether or whether not to abort falls squarely on their shoulders. Clinics typically don't even let the Man take part in the discussion. With great power comes great responsibility, so it is time women put on their big girl pants/tights and accept that if they want to make the choices they can't blame Men if they don't like the outcome or associated accountability.
the day that's happened you'll see the left wing trying to ban abortion and blame all the men for it to begin with. if it's a right wing problem, it's called far right. if it's a left wing problem, its all " men " or all whites people or capitalism, never them selves
Some feminists are good tho. For example a feminist group built men shelter to raise awareness for abuse against males, and feminist were responsible for making male rape a law in the usa
There are only a handful of men's shelters and most that I know of were built by men's activists.
In fact one in California that was built recently received a lot of backlash from feminist groups.
Not to mention the entire ordeal with Erin Pizzey and her attempt at building a men's shelter. Which caused feminists to murder her dog and run her out of her own country. Her mail was later pre screened for her own safety by the FBI because of credible terrorist threats made by feminists.
Like where even do people like you get off trying to spread this kind of propaganda? No offense if maybe you're just repeating something you heard but it's incredibly divorced from reality.
Wow, not very good counter argument.the feminist I was talking about wanted to get Male rape recognize and didn't go on a campaign against men rape. And there was a shelter for men that was put up for men that got abused, some feminist hated it, but they still put it up. Just because some are bad, doesn't mean all are bad. Also how is thisnpropaganda?
I feel like the reason most think feminists are like that, is that feminism group these people and the good feminists. Where mra are the good and incels the bad.
This is a “no true scotsman” argument. I know we like to pretend that feminists are a men-hating monolith, but in reality a big part of third wave feminism is recognizing how gender roles also have a negative effect on men, i.e. how men are treated in family courts, higher suicide rates, etc.
A large part of the modern south is about building communities with black people, and therefore we should celebrate the confederate flag.
If feminists want to be taken seriously as not hating men, they shouldn't call themselves feminists.
If you want to be taken seriously as anti-racist, don't fly the confederate flag.
Pretty basic stuff. Because if they're claiming feminism is an equality movement, that necessarily involves denying the abuses it has done to men and its history as a hate movement. They might well be pro-equality, but the act of calling themselves a feminist is a sexist act.
Dude are you really just mad at the word feminism? Who cares. How about we work together on mens issues instead of getting ass-pained at the word. And are we really gonna compare feminism to the confederacy? You really think feminists have a similarly hateful agenda? Man you need to get out of your echo chambers and stop being a reactionary.
We don't like to "pretend" feminists are man haters. Because they are. The ones that care about men are called egalitarians (I believe, I don't exactly remember the term.), even if they call themselves Feminists.
Such a stupid semantics argument. Feminists can identify as egalitarians also. Actually, I would say most who takes feminism seriously are egalitarians. It’s kind of a core concept of feminism. Maybe you’d know that if you stepped out of your echo chamber once in a while.
Pretty much the left said “believe all women” in response to rape allegations. But they completely backpedaled when Joe Biden was accused and now they are saying that “believe all women” was an alt right hoax.
That isn't what it is... what is with right-wing people taking a slogan and ditching the context. "Believe all women" is to investigate all claims. Biden was investigated, nothing turned up. The person who accused Biden has even changed her story several times. But she was interviewed by several media outlets, but again, they couldn't find anything to back up the claim.
Just like the "defund the police" and the right making it sound like it is "disband the police"... it is about getting the right responder on a 911 call.
Just like BLM is not that "white lives don't matter"... like can we stop taking a slogan and assuming everything else around it with no context?
Look up "Creepy Joe Biden Careless Whisper" and see what your own investigation of congressional swearing-in ceremonies reveals to you about Joe Biden.
See how he behaves on national television, imagine what he might do differently in private when the girls' parents and 100 reporters aren't watching him.
Funny how my formerly feminist mother who used to say that women were held in house slavery is now full on saying raising children was the best part of her life.
Must be related with the fact that she is on course to have exactly 0 grandchildren.
Most likely because we are exposed to many ill behaved children that modern parents believe are special snowflakes that can do no wrong
This current climate of social distancing and restrictions on shopping while terrible over all one small silver lining is I have been exposed to less disgusting crotch goblins of late...
Men invented the phone. Men oppress women by colluding to pay them less. Therefore men use phone bills as a way of disproportionately impoverishing women.
I think more and more that women have an instinctive sense of hypoagency--unable to act as agents. After all, here are feminists who claim there is no difference between men and women, but show this tendency to an exaggerated level.
In the past, men were "blamed for their taxes". Example aren't exactly easy to find (since unsurprisingly people aren't willing to mention the failing of 1st wave feminism), but it was in the time where women were allowed to have their own property but apparently not allowed to pay their own tax. Elizabeth Wilks, a wealthy doctor, married to an humble school teacher, didn't hesitate to remind the authorities in 1908 (yup, that dark age in which women were kept in the kitchen and enslaved by men) that according to the law and regardless of her personal assets, his husband is the one responsible to pay for her taxes. Well, he ended in prison for tax evasion because she refused to tell him how much he was even forced to pay since he didn't know all her income and assets. It's only around 1970 that the law was amended to point out the obvious problem.
Belfort Bax, in one of his books on the feminism of his day, talks about a female millionaire who ruined her husband by taking out a loan. The husband was responsible for all debt repayments, and had no claim on his wife's assets or income.
Yeah but at least they had less rights back then or so it seemed. Now they have more rights than men and still want more. I'm starting to think women never had less rights, they just complain louder as time progresses and probably will continue to complain till the end of time.
No, you see, Feminazism is ALL about belittling & stealing tons of women who have gone through trauma in the past, & even in the present, & abusing their suffrage to become higher class citizens because "REEEEEEE! ALL MEN BAD!".
The do this because they're the ultimate unloved, degenerative scum of the fucking Earth. They have mental illnesses & disorders, & are refusing to seek help.
But they have warped the mass-media into ruining millions of men's (& even women's to an extent) lives.
Feminism is dead, & isn't necessary anymore anyway. This is why I refer to this as "Feminazism" because their insanity is similar to that of the Nazis.
They continued to produce lies & are hurting so many innocent people that this NEEDS to be stopped!
But of course they won't, because they have tricked thousands & thousands of women, & even quite a lot of men that these are actual issues.
Men are being abused & losing their entire lives due to evil women & the corrupt system that acts like society is still in the year 1980, FFS.
The indoctrination of women, men, children, & simply everyone NEEDS to stop.
It is kinda like blm. The democratic narrative is trying to convince blacks much like women that they are the victims and need the left to equalize society. Insidious way of keeping leftist democrats in power and getting votes.
I mean, I think there are FAR TOO MANY power hungry racists that are cops, & they don't receive the proper punishments they deserve.
No police officer should target specific groups of people like that.
I personally like to think I'm more of a centrist, but I don't really know.
Regardless of politics, people are tired of police brutality, & I don't think some police stations need to get their priorities straight & focus on being able to assess the situation correctly & not attack/harass innocent citizens when bored & looking for a thrill.
I agree but you have black communities celebrating crime and criminals.....just saying. Dont get me wrong, Mr. Floyd did not deserve to die and I'm all for the protest. But I do not agree with the looting and carnage associated with stupid antifa actions. I am aware a couple idiots ruin police forces everywhere. Tough spot.
Eh it's a couple idiots and all the rest if the cops that protect them. Which makes them so culpable. There are too many videos showing "good cops" standing by and letting bad things happen to people because they don't want to cross the thin blue line.
Because unfortunately that is the price of brotherhood. You always protect your own. Even the videos are cherry picked. When a cop does a good thing it is his or her job. Only bad videos are captured. Therefore probability of being bad are higher than being good when caught on video.
No where else in the world will police behavior gain so much bad press. Everywhere else worse injustices would be dismissed.
I'm a visible minority and have never had any issues with the law. Dont want trouble with the cops, don't do anything suspicious or break the law. Does it sound ignorant? I dont know because I have never had any issues. For the rare instances where I might have been harassed, I just comply and if it was unreasonable I get my lawyers to figure it out. It is much easier to let them do stupid things than to have it escalate into a life and death situation.
You missed out details. They came after him in court and told him how much to pay. His salary (schoolteacher) was so much lower than his wife's (doctor) that he could not pay it after fulfilling his legal obligations to pay for her needs (she didn't--under the law she has the legal right to keep all her money), his needs and his own taxes.
where does sharia law say that men should pay for women , it states everyone should donate a small percentage of their wage calculated by assets and there is a threshold where if you don’t earn a certain number you don’t pay charity , i don’t see the comparison
If a muslim women works, she has the right to keep all her money. Only the man is responsible for the children. So rahsoft saying it's was in the past just like sharia law is correct.
so first as we can establish is that the tax we are talking about is zakat right? first of all i’d like to say that MEN & WOMEN HAVE TO PAY ZAKAT weather the man is a proxy for the female she is expected to pay as long a female which we have in this theoretical situation as long as she has a separate independent income and reaches the threshold she is obligated to pay it’s quite simple and if she doesn’t have the equivalent to reach the threshold she isn’t obligated
A man is the guardian of his family and he is responsible for them. A woman is the guardian of her husband’s home and his children and she is responsible for them.” [Muslim/Bukhari] , the responsibility is for NEEDS not WANTS and it’s the breadwinner who is responsible for the family finances if it’s both male and female then so be it , “But the father of the child shall bear the cost of the mother’s food and clothing on a reasonable basis” [al-Baqarah 2:233] isn’t it really reasonable , i’m against modern wave feminazi’s but i don’t see how sharia law allows females less responsibility than men
it t states everyone should donate a small percentage of their wage calculated by assets and there is a threshold where if you don’t earn a certain number you don’t pay charity
​
that is called zakat( and its tax-deductible in many Islamic states)
​
​
men have to pay for women's taxes under sharia law( I should know since it was expected of me until i challenged it.).
wives do not have to contribute financially to the marriage, but men must pay else they will be divorced under failing to provide. the husband cannot claim on the wife earning or assets, but she can claim on his..
​
source( my ex wife sharia lawyer, and my sharia lawyer when I went through a sharia divorce)
A man is the guardian of his family and he is responsible for them. A woman is the guardian of her husband’s home and his children and she is responsible for them.” [Muslim/Bukhari] , the responsibility is for NEEDS not WANTS and it’s the breadwinner who is responsible for the family finances if it’s both male and female then so be it , “But the father of the child shall bear the cost of the mother’s food and clothing on a reasonable basis” [al-Baqarah 2:233] isn’t it really reasonable , i’m against modern wave feminazi’s but i don’t see how sharia law allows females less responsibility than men
your talking about mandatory zakat which is mentioned originally in the quran it would be idiotic not to go to the source and read the context hence the use of the quotation
so first as we can establish is that the tax we are talking about is zakat right? first of all i’d like to say that MEN & WOMEN HAVE TO PAY ZAKAT weather the man is a proxy for the female she is expected to pay as long a female which we have in this theoretical situation as long as she has a separate independent income and reaches the threshold she is obligated to pay it’s quite simple and if she doesn’t have the equivalent to reach the threshold she isn’t obligated
nobody has to pay zakat - it is voluntary and not applicable in every muslim/islamic state because sometimes there is civil law
Again sharia law does not require her to pay taxes. in the country you reside in it is a legal obligation to pay taxes under civil law. but in many of those income tax is not collected or due.
there are varying interpretations because of the four schools of though.
you are seriously ignorant of how sharia law works( especially in reality), perhaps you should find a practising licensed sharia lawyer/scholar( like I found several) who can explain to you how it works instead of reading the internet or some of the poorly researched western academic articles( which is shocking ignorant).
and seriously are you trying to make the argument that taxes aren’t being collected?? what country do you live in seriously and what taxes are you talking about specifically and by any chance are you a ahmadi or a shia because those specific ideologies and interpretations i don’t adhere to neither am i familiar to so if you are then i must say according to your belief what i said and those hadiths arnt applicable to you
Seriously STFU you moron
You said you wouldn't reply
yet you persist like a twat who insist that they are right rather than listen
..and now you're attempting to label with Sunna,shia or Ahmadi( which by the way are considered heretics by other- something i would never agree with) and use that to justify your ignorance..
you said it yourself you are NOT familiar
I'm blocking you are after this because seriously you have wasted your brain and everybodies time on this.
you seem to find it difficult to find the discrepancy between sharia law (which is tradition) and pillars of islam , i don’t know what sort of person told you nobody has to pay zakat it’s a pillar of islam no matter what identity if a human reaches the threshold they donate a small portion which is derived from their assets you really need to educate yourself on zakat and it seems even a google search took you long enough to write all of that are you really trying to argue that zakat isn’t obligatory for those who meet the threshold do your research seriously i won’t reply if i’m met with stupidity please read
again you really are stupid and thick aren't you.
you rely too much on google research which is poor.
I live in the reality of Islam and sharia law - You don't .
have you lived beyond your own country?
have you lived in multiple Islamic states like i have???
you obviously never have.
so bother replying and trying to have the last word , because seriously you are really stupid trying to be an expert on sharia. No wonder mens rights suffer so much because they have people like you who are so detached from reality.
Without any knowledge of the user's influence nor like/retweet count I can't be bothered to care about some random idiot screaming insanity into the void, especially when their tweet can not be found using search having likely been deleted.
i’m sorry that you can’t pull your head out of your ass so far to read the basics that zakat is for every fucking human and as long as they meet the threshold they have to fucking pay you seem so fucking deluded it’s sad seriously it’s in fucking clear words it’s one of the pillars of islam not once have i fucking seen a person say zakat isn’t compulsory READ UP you fucking idiot seriously
Listen. Men, because of their years of oppression of women have garnered the ability to influence our thoughts and decisions. Y'all invaded and destroyed our own movement to use it against us. Y'all made us believe sex work is empowering because y'all are sick perverts. Like how y'all force us to believe in statistics that you manipulate in your favour. We can't completely think for ourselves because we have never been given the right to think, especially without your name privelage imposing on our judgement. Fuck you. All men are trash and we need to wipe your gender and start again.
Edit: I'm being sarcastic, I'm actually a guy and a frequent on this sub, this was a joke.
No, but many are having more sex outside of marriage now that you won't be an outcast.
Also many women who are unhappy are no longer depending on the man's income and divorce rates are also higher, allowing women who are not having sex to start dating again.
Early initiation of sexual activity and higher numbers of non-marital sex partners are linked in
turn to a wide variety of negative life outcomes, including increased rates of infection with sexually transmitted diseases, increased rates of out-of-wedlock pregnancy and birth, increased single
parenthood, decreased marital stability, increased maternal and child poverty, increased abortion,
increased depression, and decreased happiness.
I'm seeing contradictions to the above message because its often feminists who demand the right to abortion without restraint, whereas this person seems to be pro life( she uses the term killing our children), in which she is projecting her anger at the wrong group, when she should be directing to the feminists( not men) who demanded this.
​
But since she feels so aggrieved by the whole issue, maybe she should be shouting about MGM inflicted upon babies who cannot consent.
This is hilarious. This feels like a concept I’ve joked and semi-seriously wondered that if women had the same genetic build as most men and naturally consumed more calories, they would blame food costs as a contributor to a wider pay gap. As a man, I eat more, I pay more for food; is that, by feminisms logic, a good justification for more pay?
This was inevitably coming. It is not enough that men completely removed themselves from the process of women figuring out their own direction in life, but now will be blamed for their choices.
Ladies, stop behaving like fucking toddlers and start taking responsibility for your own actions. That is the only way to growing up.
No. Women behaving like men is squarely a tenant of third wave feminism. It comes from the fallacy that if men and women are equal then they are the same. If they are the same then they should want the same things and behave similarly. Especially when it comes to "empowering" activities like having sex.
The net result is a generation of single, unsatisfied and confused 30-something year old girls blaming their problems on "the patriarchy" when it is actually the fallacy of feminism that screwed up their path in life.
Equal does not mean same. Women are not men. It is okay to want different things in life. That is the message a lot of young girls really need to hear right now that no one is saying to them.
Ah yes, the nefarious ruse has been uncovered. They got us boys, gonna have to stop the "kill your children and bend over" campaign. Next plan to get sex?
But does "you can't have your cake and eat it" really lack the inherent logicality of "you can't eat your cake and have it"? Only if you consider the ordering of the two conjoined verb phrases to imply sequentiality: you can't eat your cake and then (still) have it, but you can have your cake and then eat it. On the other hand, if the and conjoining the VPs implies simultaneity of action rather than sequentiality, then neither version is more "logical" than the other: cake-eating and cake-having are mutually exclusive activities, regardless of the syntactic ordering.
Thanks dude. I know. Between the wife and kids there just isn't enough time. I have befriended a chipmunk that comes to my patio door so at least I have that going for me.
OMG, GTFO here already!! Tired of these people take 0% responsibility for their own lives. Side effect of living in such a rich, privileged culture like this one is this brand of bullshit. People from other cultures would laugh at what "problems" we have to face.
Well, granted this woman is pretty blatantly idiotic, (or just knows how to get likes from idiots), but I've never seen this argument before. It seems pretty fringe.
Now, that isn't to say that the fringe isn't being glorified by many of the more mainstream members, especially lately, but I do think that there is a great diversity among feminists as to what they think is important and for what reasons. As with any movement, there's really just a loose collection of fairly affiliated beliefs, as opposed to actual agreement.
We are beginning to see now the unraveling of the feminist "denial alliance" of everyone upset with the status quo. That is, now that they are coming into actual positions of power, they actually have to decide what would be fair instead of just noticing when somebody else's decision wasn't fair.
The (predictable) result is that extremists who say absurd things like "Biological sex is imaginary," who used to be universally applauded in solidarity, are now being recognized as the threat that they represent to others in the alliance if/because their radical ideas actually became law. If you haven't been following the J.K. Rowling Feminist Civil War, you should check it out. You'll find that some self-reflection and critical thought are undermining some doctrines among the more reasonable members of the feminist movement, and a major schism is developing between those who are trying to elevate Trans rights vs. those who are trying to elevate Women's rights. Because those necessarily conflict, now that they have real power, they are finding out that they've been competitors all along, and, one might hope, they will begin to see that others who they thought were their enemies are actually just another set of players in the same game with them. I mean, it's either that, or everyone not a feminist will start to realize that feminists have been gas lighting the MRA movement for quite some time. Once rhetoric runs up against the wall of reality, it starts to become very easy to convince people that what they imagined they understood fully was actually incomplete.
This OP is another good example of a schism forming as a result of feminists coming into real power. As more and more women are experiencing the dystopian society that earlier proponents of the movement called "liberation," they are starting down the path toward realizing that their ideology was flawed in the first place, and that the dissenting voices weren't simply idiots or naysayers. Although some will continue delusionally pointing fingers in every direction but their own no matter what reality throws at them, others are already recognizing that they were tricked -- but not by men. The pendulum has begun to swing.
Our responsibility will be to make sure we don't let it swing too far when it comes back our way.
I'm gonna say this is from the anti abortion/pro life religious groups, and they're trying to convince other women that not only should no pregnancy ever be aborted but also that choosing to end a pregnancy makes you a sex machine for men. A group i know allllll too well ..
. We gotta remember that this kind of lunacy is coming from a small sub set of people who believe different things than the general public.
tell me, if a female is not accountable for her own actions (when she believes her mind to be sound) is she also capable of taking a sworn oath of office or able to vote on laws with the same mentality?
When I was in college, I was required to take a literature course and we read the play "A Doll's House." The main character was a woman, and she forged her father's signature in order to get a loan. However, the bank manager found out and started blackmailing her.
The entire class felt bad for the woman because she was being blackmailed, but completely brushed over the fact that she forged her father's signature, which is a crime. The play took place in Norway in the 1800s, and a woman couldn't get a loan without her husband or father's signature. The class acted like this justified forging her father's signature, dispite the fact that forgery is a crime in every society which ever existed.
The modern equilivent of this would be an 18 year old forging their father's signature to get a credit card. Under the Credit CARD Act of 2009, a person under 21 cannot be issued a credit card without a co-signer unless they have independent income.
The logic of forging someone's signature because a person feels the law is unjust is the same both in this modern scenario and the scenario in the play, yet because the main character in the play was a woman, people acted like she did nothing wrong.
to be honest the main reason i think the law itself was created to disallow her from applying herself is actually justified in every front possible but this is ignored let me explain , women at that time had no security and for a man (with relationship to her) to co-sign this would mean he would bare the responsibility if she would fall short and protect her and acts as a shield but of course this is ignored and they dismiss the fact that the forgery could have taken place for an ulterior reason and she could have left her father without a penny and took the money and went to ‘explore the world’
Does she think that no women out there enjoy sex as well? Why is it always them being "used" for sex, as if women don't also want sex? Women like her are partially the reason to blame for why lots of women are shamed for being sexual. If you keep telling them that they're only being "used" whenever any sexual interactions happen of course a lot of them are going to think that they shouldn't enjoy it.
Bro they're girls out here that say they will get one the dude will give them the money. They will pocket that shit still have the kid and first order of business put dude man on child support. Idk the costs but I think its different from state to state tho.
Anything that “benefits” men is bad, and anything that benefits women is good. Once you accept that premise then you’ll understand where every retarded feminist argument comes from.
"men" . let's pretend it wasn't the left but all men. sort of like blm is pretending its all white people. like you can't tell the difference between different people so you just group them.?!?
Wait... How is the decision for abortion as a way to get out of unplanned pregnancy not entirely a choice made under a woman’s own volition? I fail to see how this is a mans trickery? Do these women ONLY have sex to procreate?
Modern Western feminism is more or less needless perpetuation of victim culture. Thus it's never their fault, it's the "villians", which are us. This is what institutionalism gender studies produce. Systemic sexism against men.
pro-life and pro-choice view "my body, my choice" vastly differently. A pro-life woman would have no hypocrisy to also want to force a man to be a father.
They don't see women as people, to be honest. They think women don't ever have free agency, they're either on the Radical Feminism side or they're being brainwashed. If anyone's belittling women, it's them. They dismiss women who form thoughts of their own.
I heard the exact same thing when women are encouraged to sleep around. Feminists would say “It was the men that made us think having casual sex and wearing revealing outfits was empowering!”
Meanwhile feminists also encourage and constantly try to have sex talk with other women all the time, I should I’m a woman and my entire life it was women who encouraged me to show my legs off more, wear tons of makeup and call me a “grandma” when I chose to dress more modest and didn’t want to sleep around. I constantly heard feminists say that saving our virginity for marriage was the patriarchy’s lie to “Make us subservient”.
Mens rights have nothing to do with female complaining. How have you supported you fellow man today? What changes have you made in your community to assist men struggling?. I'm gonna guess none, be part of a solution that helps instead of hurts
AlbinoStrawberry 3y ago
I think that the first feminists used exactly those arguments to be anti-abortion.
McGauth925 3y ago
Pro-life feminism.
Endless misandry.
LionVenom10 3y ago
She just shat on every Male Egalitarian or Liberal MRA in existence.
oldstove740 3y ago
Honestly, I see stuff like this and my first instinct is: it’s a troll account trying to rile things up. Either the og post, or this reddit account.
dontpet 3y ago
I think it is good to know what some might say. But we don't know context. Could be a Christian nun saying it. Could be anyone. We also don't know how common the thought is. We also don't know if the person is feminist. Or if they are at least internally consistent in their ethics.
If I were not part ape, and able to balance probabilities, it would be good to be exposed to this OP. But I'm not. I get an emotional reaction. Hurt, fear, rage.
It's harmful. Anything without at least a clear source like this is harmful. And leaves us very much vulnerable to manipulation and misinformation.
bkalldaybaybay 3y ago
Oh yes this defense again. Only men would make shitty posts like this, fellas!
Polite_in_all_caps 3y ago
Thank you. Seriously, its like no one else here has seen a terf or a troll before.
[deleted] 3y ago
Yea, however its important to keep your eye out for this kind of stuff in case it does catch on and feminists try to use it against men.
sanrio-sugarplum 3y ago
There are different branches of feminism. This one seems like the most toxic radical kind.
misogymission 3y ago
Oh yes, because Men have so much control over what women do with any offspring they might produce. Always have to love how when it benefits them a child is a mutual product for which both parents bear responsibility, but when it is inconvenient... well it is their body of which that child is a product and Men should have no input on the matter. Well if women want to play that game, fine I guess, but it means the choice as to whether or whether not to abort falls squarely on their shoulders. Clinics typically don't even let the Man take part in the discussion. With great power comes great responsibility, so it is time women put on their big girl pants/tights and accept that if they want to make the choices they can't blame Men if they don't like the outcome or associated accountability.
innerpeice 3y ago
the day that's happened you'll see the left wing trying to ban abortion and blame all the men for it to begin with. if it's a right wing problem, it's called far right. if it's a left wing problem, its all " men " or all whites people or capitalism, never them selves
misogymission 3y ago
Pretty much. Whatever perpetuates their dillusions and internal narrative of blaming Men for all of their issues.
SingleRace4 3y ago
This is why we hate feminists
WearADamnMask 3y ago
Same.
DontAskWhoBenIs 3y ago
Some feminists are good tho. For example a feminist group built men shelter to raise awareness for abuse against males, and feminist were responsible for making male rape a law in the usa
Oncefa2 3y ago
They got male-on-male rape recognized but went on a campaign against recognizing female-on-male rape.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/ds09dz/how_feminists_have_defined_rape_and_influenced/
There are only a handful of men's shelters and most that I know of were built by men's activists.
In fact one in California that was built recently received a lot of backlash from feminist groups.
Not to mention the entire ordeal with Erin Pizzey and her attempt at building a men's shelter. Which caused feminists to murder her dog and run her out of her own country. Her mail was later pre screened for her own safety by the FBI because of credible terrorist threats made by feminists.
Like where even do people like you get off trying to spread this kind of propaganda? No offense if maybe you're just repeating something you heard but it's incredibly divorced from reality.
DontAskWhoBenIs 3y ago
Wow, not very good counter argument.the feminist I was talking about wanted to get Male rape recognize and didn't go on a campaign against men rape. And there was a shelter for men that was put up for men that got abused, some feminist hated it, but they still put it up. Just because some are bad, doesn't mean all are bad. Also how is thisnpropaganda?
point5_ 3y ago
I feel like the reason most think feminists are like that, is that feminism group these people and the good feminists. Where mra are the good and incels the bad.
darkbluexanadu 3y ago
Correction they were responisble for laws being written that basically exclude men from being raped
DontAskWhoBenIs 3y ago
This is false.http://www.feminist.org/nomoreexcuses/rapeisrape.asp#ftnftn they changed the FBI definition of rape
KebabistEagle 3y ago
They aren't feminists
Mr_Guy_McDude 3y ago
This is a “no true scotsman” argument. I know we like to pretend that feminists are a men-hating monolith, but in reality a big part of third wave feminism is recognizing how gender roles also have a negative effect on men, i.e. how men are treated in family courts, higher suicide rates, etc.
ZeldaVelveeta 3y ago
Love this comment
azazelcrowley 3y ago
A large part of the modern south is about building communities with black people, and therefore we should celebrate the confederate flag.
If feminists want to be taken seriously as not hating men, they shouldn't call themselves feminists.
If you want to be taken seriously as anti-racist, don't fly the confederate flag.
Pretty basic stuff. Because if they're claiming feminism is an equality movement, that necessarily involves denying the abuses it has done to men and its history as a hate movement. They might well be pro-equality, but the act of calling themselves a feminist is a sexist act.
Mr_Guy_McDude 3y ago
Dude are you really just mad at the word feminism? Who cares. How about we work together on mens issues instead of getting ass-pained at the word. And are we really gonna compare feminism to the confederacy? You really think feminists have a similarly hateful agenda? Man you need to get out of your echo chambers and stop being a reactionary.
azazelcrowley 3y ago
The history of the movement is anti-male and yes it amounts to an anti-male agenda.
KebabistEagle 3y ago
We don't like to "pretend" feminists are man haters. Because they are. The ones that care about men are called egalitarians (I believe, I don't exactly remember the term.), even if they call themselves Feminists.
Mr_Guy_McDude 3y ago
Such a stupid semantics argument. Feminists can identify as egalitarians also. Actually, I would say most who takes feminism seriously are egalitarians. It’s kind of a core concept of feminism. Maybe you’d know that if you stepped out of your echo chamber once in a while.
DontAskWhoBenIs 3y ago
Why are you getting downvoted? This sub is becoming mgtow
shook_not_shaken 3y ago
Curious how "believe all women" turned out to be an alt-right thing, no?
Draygoes 3y ago
That's strange. I haven't heard that. Would you be willing to provide context?
Byte-Coin 3y ago
Pretty much the left said “believe all women” in response to rape allegations. But they completely backpedaled when Joe Biden was accused and now they are saying that “believe all women” was an alt right hoax.
MetroidJunkie 3y ago
And, when a Conservative or just literally any man who isn't a Democrat running for office is accused, they'll go right back to championing it.
Draygoes 3y ago
Now that is searchable. Thank you for the context.
Byte-Coin 3y ago
Any time man, we are all on the same team.
Dead5quirrel 3y ago
No we arent. Edit ha ha fucking ha.
drymeatsfrydeep 3y ago
Ironic that you get downvoted
bluefootedpig 3y ago
That isn't what it is... what is with right-wing people taking a slogan and ditching the context. "Believe all women" is to investigate all claims. Biden was investigated, nothing turned up. The person who accused Biden has even changed her story several times. But she was interviewed by several media outlets, but again, they couldn't find anything to back up the claim.
Just like the "defund the police" and the right making it sound like it is "disband the police"... it is about getting the right responder on a 911 call.
Just like BLM is not that "white lives don't matter"... like can we stop taking a slogan and assuming everything else around it with no context?
Mister_Way 3y ago
Look up "Creepy Joe Biden Careless Whisper" and see what your own investigation of congressional swearing-in ceremonies reveals to you about Joe Biden.
See how he behaves on national television, imagine what he might do differently in private when the girls' parents and 100 reporters aren't watching him.
WolfeBane84 3y ago
If he's willing to fondle and sniff children on CSPAN, imagine what he's doing when no ones watching.
Wheream_I 3y ago
A professor at Cambridge literally just tweeted “white lives don’t matter” and she got a fucking promotion dude.
Mister_Way 3y ago
As long as you put a weird thing like "as white lives" on the end then it suddenly is okay.
Wheream_I 3y ago
I’m just... dude I’m so done. I’m entirely fucking done. With almost everything. I’m so over everything right now
ShawshankRetention 3y ago
Funny how my formerly feminist mother who used to say that women were held in house slavery is now full on saying raising children was the best part of her life.
Must be related with the fact that she is on course to have exactly 0 grandchildren.
megaSalamenceXX 3y ago
If you wanted a little fun, you could keep a pet and show that off as her grandchild in front of her. The burn she would feel would be amazing.
KOMRADE_DIMITRI 3y ago
Funny how its always people without children saying that children are disgusting crotch goblins
RangeRedneck 3y ago
Weird, I missed where OP said that.
SirYouAreIncorrect 3y ago
Most likely because we are exposed to many ill behaved children that modern parents believe are special snowflakes that can do no wrong
This current climate of social distancing and restrictions on shopping while terrible over all one small silver lining is I have been exposed to less disgusting crotch goblins of late...
That is a win
amwfhunter 3y ago
Must be nice to not need to take responsibility and just blame others for all our problems. Soon men will be blamed for their phone bills and taxes
jbslol 3y ago
It would be great if women on average felt the tax burden.
ScreendeadGames 3y ago
Men invented the phone. Men oppress women by colluding to pay them less. Therefore men use phone bills as a way of disproportionately impoverishing women.
I like this game.
antifeminist3 3y ago
I think more and more that women have an instinctive sense of hypoagency--unable to act as agents. After all, here are feminists who claim there is no difference between men and women, but show this tendency to an exaggerated level.
qemist 3y ago
It's not that they don't have agency, but that they have a strong drive to conceal it.
Zekuro 3y ago
In the past, men were "blamed for their taxes". Example aren't exactly easy to find (since unsurprisingly people aren't willing to mention the failing of 1st wave feminism), but it was in the time where women were allowed to have their own property but apparently not allowed to pay their own tax. Elizabeth Wilks, a wealthy doctor, married to an humble school teacher, didn't hesitate to remind the authorities in 1908 (yup, that dark age in which women were kept in the kitchen and enslaved by men) that according to the law and regardless of her personal assets, his husband is the one responsible to pay for her taxes. Well, he ended in prison for tax evasion because she refused to tell him how much he was even forced to pay since he didn't know all her income and assets. It's only around 1970 that the law was amended to point out the obvious problem.
Stephen_Morgan 3y ago
Belfort Bax, in one of his books on the feminism of his day, talks about a female millionaire who ruined her husband by taking out a loan. The husband was responsible for all debt repayments, and had no claim on his wife's assets or income.
ScreendeadGames 3y ago
I bet she felt really oppressed.
amwfhunter 3y ago
Yeah but at least they had less rights back then or so it seemed. Now they have more rights than men and still want more. I'm starting to think women never had less rights, they just complain louder as time progresses and probably will continue to complain till the end of time.
CoolMintMC 3y ago
No, you see, Feminazism is ALL about belittling & stealing tons of women who have gone through trauma in the past, & even in the present, & abusing their suffrage to become higher class citizens because "REEEEEEE! ALL MEN BAD!".
The do this because they're the ultimate unloved, degenerative scum of the fucking Earth. They have mental illnesses & disorders, & are refusing to seek help.
But they have warped the mass-media into ruining millions of men's (& even women's to an extent) lives.
Feminism is dead, & isn't necessary anymore anyway. This is why I refer to this as "Feminazism" because their insanity is similar to that of the Nazis.
They continued to produce lies & are hurting so many innocent people that this NEEDS to be stopped!
But of course they won't, because they have tricked thousands & thousands of women, & even quite a lot of men that these are actual issues.
Men are being abused & losing their entire lives due to evil women & the corrupt system that acts like society is still in the year 1980, FFS.
The indoctrination of women, men, children, & simply everyone NEEDS to stop.
WOMEN ABUSE MEN, WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE!
/rant_over
amwfhunter 3y ago
It is kinda like blm. The democratic narrative is trying to convince blacks much like women that they are the victims and need the left to equalize society. Insidious way of keeping leftist democrats in power and getting votes.
CoolMintMC 3y ago
I mean, I think there are FAR TOO MANY power hungry racists that are cops, & they don't receive the proper punishments they deserve.
No police officer should target specific groups of people like that.
I personally like to think I'm more of a centrist, but I don't really know.
Regardless of politics, people are tired of police brutality, & I don't think some police stations need to get their priorities straight & focus on being able to assess the situation correctly & not attack/harass innocent citizens when bored & looking for a thrill.
Something like that.
amwfhunter 3y ago
I agree but you have black communities celebrating crime and criminals.....just saying. Dont get me wrong, Mr. Floyd did not deserve to die and I'm all for the protest. But I do not agree with the looting and carnage associated with stupid antifa actions. I am aware a couple idiots ruin police forces everywhere. Tough spot.
rj2029x 3y ago
Eh it's a couple idiots and all the rest if the cops that protect them. Which makes them so culpable. There are too many videos showing "good cops" standing by and letting bad things happen to people because they don't want to cross the thin blue line.
amwfhunter 3y ago
Because unfortunately that is the price of brotherhood. You always protect your own. Even the videos are cherry picked. When a cop does a good thing it is his or her job. Only bad videos are captured. Therefore probability of being bad are higher than being good when caught on video.
No where else in the world will police behavior gain so much bad press. Everywhere else worse injustices would be dismissed.
I'm a visible minority and have never had any issues with the law. Dont want trouble with the cops, don't do anything suspicious or break the law. Does it sound ignorant? I dont know because I have never had any issues. For the rare instances where I might have been harassed, I just comply and if it was unreasonable I get my lawyers to figure it out. It is much easier to let them do stupid things than to have it escalate into a life and death situation.
antifeminist3 3y ago
You missed out details. They came after him in court and told him how much to pay. His salary (schoolteacher) was so much lower than his wife's (doctor) that he could not pay it after fulfilling his legal obligations to pay for her needs (she didn't--under the law she has the legal right to keep all her money), his needs and his own taxes.
SharedRegime 3y ago
its so funny that opening a history book shows how absolutely bullshit everything were taught in school is lol.
rahsoft 3y ago
so basically it was the same as sharia law is today then..
aalzy 3y ago
where does sharia law say that men should pay for women , it states everyone should donate a small percentage of their wage calculated by assets and there is a threshold where if you don’t earn a certain number you don’t pay charity , i don’t see the comparison
antifeminist3 3y ago
If a muslim women works, she has the right to keep all her money. Only the man is responsible for the children. So rahsoft saying it's was in the past just like sharia law is correct.
aalzy 3y ago
so first as we can establish is that the tax we are talking about is zakat right? first of all i’d like to say that MEN & WOMEN HAVE TO PAY ZAKAT weather the man is a proxy for the female she is expected to pay as long a female which we have in this theoretical situation as long as she has a separate independent income and reaches the threshold she is obligated to pay it’s quite simple and if she doesn’t have the equivalent to reach the threshold she isn’t obligated
aalzy 3y ago
A man is the guardian of his family and he is responsible for them. A woman is the guardian of her husband’s home and his children and she is responsible for them.” [Muslim/Bukhari] , the responsibility is for NEEDS not WANTS and it’s the breadwinner who is responsible for the family finances if it’s both male and female then so be it , “But the father of the child shall bear the cost of the mother’s food and clothing on a reasonable basis” [al-Baqarah 2:233] isn’t it really reasonable , i’m against modern wave feminazi’s but i don’t see how sharia law allows females less responsibility than men
rahsoft 3y ago
it t states everyone should donate a small percentage of their wage calculated by assets and there is a threshold where if you don’t earn a certain number you don’t pay charity
​
that is called zakat( and its tax-deductible in many Islamic states)
​
​
men have to pay for women's taxes under sharia law( I should know since it was expected of me until i challenged it.).
wives do not have to contribute financially to the marriage, but men must pay else they will be divorced under failing to provide. the husband cannot claim on the wife earning or assets, but she can claim on his..
​
source( my ex wife sharia lawyer, and my sharia lawyer when I went through a sharia divorce)
aalzy 3y ago
A man is the guardian of his family and he is responsible for them. A woman is the guardian of her husband’s home and his children and she is responsible for them.” [Muslim/Bukhari] , the responsibility is for NEEDS not WANTS and it’s the breadwinner who is responsible for the family finances if it’s both male and female then so be it , “But the father of the child shall bear the cost of the mother’s food and clothing on a reasonable basis” [al-Baqarah 2:233] isn’t it really reasonable , i’m against modern wave feminazi’s but i don’t see how sharia law allows females less responsibility than men
rahsoft 3y ago
lol
then maybe you should stop quoting the Quran and start quoting sharia law.
Go and look up karen straughan who did an excellent video on what has happened.
Like I said Ive been through the system and I had two excellenat sources who actaully know how the law works rather than just quoting the quran.
​
do you quote the bible in reference to civil law( which was originally based on the bible ) ??
aalzy 3y ago
your talking about mandatory zakat which is mentioned originally in the quran it would be idiotic not to go to the source and read the context hence the use of the quotation
aalzy 3y ago
so first as we can establish is that the tax we are talking about is zakat right? first of all i’d like to say that MEN & WOMEN HAVE TO PAY ZAKAT weather the man is a proxy for the female she is expected to pay as long a female which we have in this theoretical situation as long as she has a separate independent income and reaches the threshold she is obligated to pay it’s quite simple and if she doesn’t have the equivalent to reach the threshold she isn’t obligated
rahsoft 3y ago
Again sharia law does not require her to pay taxes. in the country you reside in it is a legal obligation to pay taxes under civil law. but in many of those income tax is not collected or due.
you are seriously ignorant of how sharia law works( especially in reality), perhaps you should find a practising licensed sharia lawyer/scholar( like I found several) who can explain to you how it works instead of reading the internet or some of the poorly researched western academic articles( which is shocking ignorant).
aalzy 3y ago
and seriously are you trying to make the argument that taxes aren’t being collected?? what country do you live in seriously and what taxes are you talking about specifically and by any chance are you a ahmadi or a shia because those specific ideologies and interpretations i don’t adhere to neither am i familiar to so if you are then i must say according to your belief what i said and those hadiths arnt applicable to you
rahsoft 3y ago
Seriously STFU you moron You said you wouldn't reply yet you persist like a twat who insist that they are right rather than listen ..and now you're attempting to label with Sunna,shia or Ahmadi( which by the way are considered heretics by other- something i would never agree with) and use that to justify your ignorance..
you said it yourself you are NOT familiar
I'm blocking you are after this because seriously you have wasted your brain and everybodies time on this.
aalzy 3y ago
you seem to find it difficult to find the discrepancy between sharia law (which is tradition) and pillars of islam , i don’t know what sort of person told you nobody has to pay zakat it’s a pillar of islam no matter what identity if a human reaches the threshold they donate a small portion which is derived from their assets you really need to educate yourself on zakat and it seems even a google search took you long enough to write all of that are you really trying to argue that zakat isn’t obligatory for those who meet the threshold do your research seriously i won’t reply if i’m met with stupidity please read
rahsoft 3y ago
again you really are stupid and thick aren't you. you rely too much on google research which is poor. I live in the reality of Islam and sharia law - You don't . have you lived beyond your own country? have you lived in multiple Islamic states like i have???
you obviously never have.
so bother replying and trying to have the last word , because seriously you are really stupid trying to be an expert on sharia. No wonder mens rights suffer so much because they have people like you who are so detached from reality.
KnightofNarg 3y ago
Without any knowledge of the user's influence nor like/retweet count I can't be bothered to care about some random idiot screaming insanity into the void, especially when their tweet can not be found using search having likely been deleted.
bluehorserunning 3y ago
You mean... women aren't a monolith...?!?!?!??!?!?!?
aalzy 3y ago
i’m sorry that you can’t pull your head out of your ass so far to read the basics that zakat is for every fucking human and as long as they meet the threshold they have to fucking pay you seem so fucking deluded it’s sad seriously it’s in fucking clear words it’s one of the pillars of islam not once have i fucking seen a person say zakat isn’t compulsory READ UP you fucking idiot seriously
Zabuza-_-mist 3y ago
We just cant win guys everything is our fault
BenchoteMankoManko 3y ago
well we did literally build everything you see in the 1st world
_bored_in_life_ 3y ago
Listen. Men, because of their years of oppression of women have garnered the ability to influence our thoughts and decisions. Y'all invaded and destroyed our own movement to use it against us. Y'all made us believe sex work is empowering because y'all are sick perverts. Like how y'all force us to believe in statistics that you manipulate in your favour. We can't completely think for ourselves because we have never been given the right to think, especially without your name privelage imposing on our judgement. Fuck you. All men are trash and we need to wipe your gender and start again.
Edit: I'm being sarcastic, I'm actually a guy and a frequent on this sub, this was a joke.
DesperateForADwarf 3y ago
lol
omeretalla 3y ago
My heart beat changes when i see the years of oppresion.
DubsPackage 3y ago
mental patient lol
Bohemond1 3y ago
Keep the sacred word of 'y'all' out your damn mouth.
MistEchoes 3y ago
This is so upside down and ass backwards it might as well be huge tits.
BurningOrangeHeaven 3y ago
Making promiscuity have continuously lower consequences is the real problem.
Acceptablebeeping 3y ago
Why is that a problem?
dontpet 3y ago
Good question. I compare the average man's sexual experience with that of the average man 100 years ago and we are much better off.
Sincere question. Are married women less faithful than they used to be?
bluefootedpig 3y ago
No, but many are having more sex outside of marriage now that you won't be an outcast.
Also many women who are unhappy are no longer depending on the man's income and divorce rates are also higher, allowing women who are not having sex to start dating again.
Alpha_Widow_Maker 3y ago
https://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/2003/pdf/Bookofcharts.pdf
Acceptablebeeping 3y ago
Correlation va causation.
BurningOrangeHeaven 3y ago
They want to down vote you when the facts are in their faces and over the last 10 years its just become more apparent.
Acceptablebeeping 3y ago
Correlation vs causations. These aren't facts.
pllove 3y ago
While she's wrong it's men who caused abortion, she's right that they are killing their children.
Ashley_Titor 3y ago
notice the lack of responsibility
Jay_Hardy 3y ago
Last year: my body, my choice.
This year: HOW DARE YOU FORCE ME TO KILL MY CHILD!
rahsoft 3y ago
I'm seeing contradictions to the above message because its often feminists who demand the right to abortion without restraint, whereas this person seems to be pro life( she uses the term killing our children), in which she is projecting her anger at the wrong group, when she should be directing to the feminists( not men) who demanded this.
​
But since she feels so aggrieved by the whole issue, maybe she should be shouting about MGM inflicted upon babies who cannot consent.
dtyler86 3y ago
This is hilarious. This feels like a concept I’ve joked and semi-seriously wondered that if women had the same genetic build as most men and naturally consumed more calories, they would blame food costs as a contributor to a wider pay gap. As a man, I eat more, I pay more for food; is that, by feminisms logic, a good justification for more pay?
Morden013 3y ago
This was inevitably coming. It is not enough that men completely removed themselves from the process of women figuring out their own direction in life, but now will be blamed for their choices.
Ladies, stop behaving like fucking toddlers and start taking responsibility for your own actions. That is the only way to growing up.
trickofthetale8 3y ago
This is a certified bruh moment
mylifeisabigoops 3y ago
As a feminist, we do not claim her
Lendari 3y ago
No. Women behaving like men is squarely a tenant of third wave feminism. It comes from the fallacy that if men and women are equal then they are the same. If they are the same then they should want the same things and behave similarly. Especially when it comes to "empowering" activities like having sex.
The net result is a generation of single, unsatisfied and confused 30-something year old girls blaming their problems on "the patriarchy" when it is actually the fallacy of feminism that screwed up their path in life.
Equal does not mean same. Women are not men. It is okay to want different things in life. That is the message a lot of young girls really need to hear right now that no one is saying to them.
DubsPackage 3y ago
No matter what they do it's our fault lol
mcchanical 3y ago
Ah yes, the nefarious ruse has been uncovered. They got us boys, gonna have to stop the "kill your children and bend over" campaign. Next plan to get sex?
WillMeatLover 3y ago
But no matter what, men are the enemy!!!
notcallipygian 3y ago
Wait what? Am I stupid or is that tweet absolutely impossible to comprehend. How does reach that conclusion
chakamaki 3y ago
Only one thing... no matter what they do or happen to them.. it’s because of men... mentality..
You can’t win stupidity with logic...
If you try to behave stupid (which most men are not) they will beat you with their experience (of stupidity)
Frontfart 3y ago
Leftist men maybe.
hairybugbeardonger 3y ago
this is dumb...
OnlyOneIronMan888 3y ago
Klexosinfreefall 3y ago
They really do want to eat their cake and have it too.
rborens 3y ago
Is the order intentionally wrong?
Klexosinfreefall 3y ago
Intentionally correct? Yes it is both, intentional and correct.
bkold1995 3y ago
Nah that’s wrong bro
googitygig 3y ago
I'm guessing he watched Unabomber show. That phrase was the crucial reason they caught him.
Both phrases are correct but apparently the less common one which he used was the original phrase.
Klexosinfreefall 3y ago
I didn't actually? Is that a Netflix thing?
googitygig 3y ago
It is indeed. That's how I heard of it anyway.
Decent show too.
Klexosinfreefall 3y ago
But does "you can't have your cake and eat it" really lack the inherent logicality of "you can't eat your cake and have it"? Only if you consider the ordering of the two conjoined verb phrases to imply sequentiality: you can't eat your cake and then (still) have it, but you can have your cake and then eat it. On the other hand, if the and conjoining the VPs implies simultaneity of action rather than sequentiality, then neither version is more "logical" than the other: cake-eating and cake-having are mutually exclusive activities, regardless of the syntactic ordering.
http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/002762.html
bkold1995 3y ago
You should find a hobby
Klexosinfreefall 3y ago
Thanks dude. I know. Between the wife and kids there just isn't enough time. I have befriended a chipmunk that comes to my patio door so at least I have that going for me.
LibertySeasonsSam 3y ago
OMG, GTFO here already!! Tired of these people take 0% responsibility for their own lives. Side effect of living in such a rich, privileged culture like this one is this brand of bullshit. People from other cultures would laugh at what "problems" we have to face.
callmeDannyDanielz 3y ago
Thanks for the idea.
Shibacki 3y ago
"Oops I dropped my Starbucks"
"Eh, it's the male population's fault"
TheRikari 3y ago
Damned if you do, damned if you don't
Neveah_Hope_Dreams 3y ago
Ah yes, the reverse card.
I've seen that viewpoint when I was doing my Global Studies research on abortion.
The attempt of some pro-lifers trying to be feminist is kinda funny.
Mister_Way 3y ago
Well, granted this woman is pretty blatantly idiotic, (or just knows how to get likes from idiots), but I've never seen this argument before. It seems pretty fringe.
Now, that isn't to say that the fringe isn't being glorified by many of the more mainstream members, especially lately, but I do think that there is a great diversity among feminists as to what they think is important and for what reasons. As with any movement, there's really just a loose collection of fairly affiliated beliefs, as opposed to actual agreement.
We are beginning to see now the unraveling of the feminist "denial alliance" of everyone upset with the status quo. That is, now that they are coming into actual positions of power, they actually have to decide what would be fair instead of just noticing when somebody else's decision wasn't fair.
The (predictable) result is that extremists who say absurd things like "Biological sex is imaginary," who used to be universally applauded in solidarity, are now being recognized as the threat that they represent to others in the alliance if/because their radical ideas actually became law. If you haven't been following the J.K. Rowling Feminist Civil War, you should check it out. You'll find that some self-reflection and critical thought are undermining some doctrines among the more reasonable members of the feminist movement, and a major schism is developing between those who are trying to elevate Trans rights vs. those who are trying to elevate Women's rights. Because those necessarily conflict, now that they have real power, they are finding out that they've been competitors all along, and, one might hope, they will begin to see that others who they thought were their enemies are actually just another set of players in the same game with them. I mean, it's either that, or everyone not a feminist will start to realize that feminists have been gas lighting the MRA movement for quite some time. Once rhetoric runs up against the wall of reality, it starts to become very easy to convince people that what they imagined they understood fully was actually incomplete.
This OP is another good example of a schism forming as a result of feminists coming into real power. As more and more women are experiencing the dystopian society that earlier proponents of the movement called "liberation," they are starting down the path toward realizing that their ideology was flawed in the first place, and that the dissenting voices weren't simply idiots or naysayers. Although some will continue delusionally pointing fingers in every direction but their own no matter what reality throws at them, others are already recognizing that they were tricked -- but not by men. The pendulum has begun to swing.
Our responsibility will be to make sure we don't let it swing too far when it comes back our way.
masterdarthrevan 3y ago
I'm gonna say this is from the anti abortion/pro life religious groups, and they're trying to convince other women that not only should no pregnancy ever be aborted but also that choosing to end a pregnancy makes you a sex machine for men. A group i know allllll too well .. . We gotta remember that this kind of lunacy is coming from a small sub set of people who believe different things than the general public.
WarOfNoise 3y ago
their aversion to accountability is pathological
herknav 3y ago
probably not the same person saying both things
johnslegers 3y ago
You can literally never win...
thefudmaster 3y ago
Damn’t. They found out about our true motivations. /s
MakeGoodBetter 3y ago
Let's not let one tweet guide us astray gents. This isn't a majority opinion.
laptopdragon 3y ago
zero accountability yet again.
tell me, if a female is not accountable for her own actions (when she believes her mind to be sound) is she also capable of taking a sworn oath of office or able to vote on laws with the same mentality?
Killerzaz202 3y ago
People like that makes me ashamed to have an android
FrankSavage420 3y ago
Just like a shitty coworker of mine, doesn’t want an actual solution to their complaints, she just wants to complain
CaptnREMIX 3y ago
These people are so far gone they are just tools at this point. You can turn and twist them anyway you want and they just do you bidding. Its sad.
DanteLivra 3y ago
How come they are unable to blame the feminists who pushed those ideas.
grimview 3y ago
Because some feminist are men & its time for another purge.
DanteLivra 3y ago
I'm not supporting that.
stanfy86 3y ago
Goes against the female hive-mind.
locks_are_paranoid 3y ago
When I was in college, I was required to take a literature course and we read the play "A Doll's House." The main character was a woman, and she forged her father's signature in order to get a loan. However, the bank manager found out and started blackmailing her.
The entire class felt bad for the woman because she was being blackmailed, but completely brushed over the fact that she forged her father's signature, which is a crime. The play took place in Norway in the 1800s, and a woman couldn't get a loan without her husband or father's signature. The class acted like this justified forging her father's signature, dispite the fact that forgery is a crime in every society which ever existed.
The modern equilivent of this would be an 18 year old forging their father's signature to get a credit card. Under the Credit CARD Act of 2009, a person under 21 cannot be issued a credit card without a co-signer unless they have independent income.
The logic of forging someone's signature because a person feels the law is unjust is the same both in this modern scenario and the scenario in the play, yet because the main character in the play was a woman, people acted like she did nothing wrong.
aalzy 3y ago
to be honest the main reason i think the law itself was created to disallow her from applying herself is actually justified in every front possible but this is ignored let me explain , women at that time had no security and for a man (with relationship to her) to co-sign this would mean he would bare the responsibility if she would fall short and protect her and acts as a shield but of course this is ignored and they dismiss the fact that the forgery could have taken place for an ulterior reason and she could have left her father without a penny and took the money and went to ‘explore the world’
slav2groive 3y ago
Say whaaaa?
Auntie_Hero 3y ago
"Never argue with a woman. Give her time to catch her breath and she'll argue with herself." - Uncle Ironbutt
Cyb3rd31ic_Citiz3n 3y ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OH MY GOD. THIS IS MAGIC.
QUICK, someone, where is that meme with the bicycle and the guy jamming a stick in the wheel?
bkold1995 3y ago
If someone is able to trick you into murdering your child, it should be illegal for you to have a vagina.
flyredditguy 3y ago
Ahh yes, the good ole subconscious reverse psychology tactic. Idk who planned that but it worked brilliantly
[deleted] 3y ago
Stupid letterboxes.
JamesDuncan9 3y ago
That doesn't make sense. What is she even talking about? Is that even a thing?
ukiyuh 3y ago
Her mouth, her choice. She can say stupid shit all she wants, we don't have to listen or agree.
Don't let stupid people get between you and cat memes.
Theendisnearornot 3y ago
I thought it was terminating a fetus and just a blob of unformed tissue. Amazing how the rhetoric changes when they want to use it against someone.
kursdragon 3y ago
Does she think that no women out there enjoy sex as well? Why is it always them being "used" for sex, as if women don't also want sex? Women like her are partially the reason to blame for why lots of women are shamed for being sexual. If you keep telling them that they're only being "used" whenever any sexual interactions happen of course a lot of them are going to think that they shouldn't enjoy it.
kratomhugger 3y ago
Insanity.
LifeAboutNothing 3y ago
Bro they're girls out here that say they will get one the dude will give them the money. They will pocket that shit still have the kid and first order of business put dude man on child support. Idk the costs but I think its different from state to state tho.
jpla86 3y ago
What the fuck is with Twitter and it’s unchecked misandry?
Draygoes 3y ago
The user was banned from twitter earlier this morning. But I doubt that it will stop with the one.
ThrowawayGhostGuy1 3y ago
Anything that “benefits” men is bad, and anything that benefits women is good. Once you accept that premise then you’ll understand where every retarded feminist argument comes from.
Pranavboi 3y ago
I'm so confused rn
[deleted] 3y ago
Peak humanity.
innerpeice 3y ago
"men" . let's pretend it wasn't the left but all men. sort of like blm is pretending its all white people. like you can't tell the difference between different people so you just group them.?!?
DopeMeme_Deficiency 3y ago
It wasn't men who did that, it was society and the media... But I'm glad they're beginning to realize
AlfredoOf98 3y ago
I like what you did to the face
washingtonpanther 3y ago
"we have rights."
But let's make sure men have as little as possible!
allthemchickens 3y ago
Wait... How is the decision for abortion as a way to get out of unplanned pregnancy not entirely a choice made under a woman’s own volition? I fail to see how this is a mans trickery? Do these women ONLY have sex to procreate?
Ironwarrior29 3y ago
I guess it got removed because I can't find it.
Lion_amongst_gods 3y ago
Abortion is illegal
Feminists: Men deny us control over our own bodies. They think they own us.
Abortion is legal
Feminists: Men have tricked us into killing our own children and use us for sex.
If this doesn't wake you up, I don't know what will.
grimview 3y ago
A “permanent stance of being a victim” is an “example of going from one extreme to another.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codependency
John238 3y ago
Modern Western feminism is more or less needless perpetuation of victim culture. Thus it's never their fault, it's the "villians", which are us. This is what institutionalism gender studies produce. Systemic sexism against men.
bluefootedpig 3y ago
Honest question, how do you know this isn't a pro-life anti-feminist post?
Lion_amongst_gods 3y ago
I don't. I just know they just shit on men no matter what their inclination is.
bluefootedpig 3y ago
pro-life and pro-choice view "my body, my choice" vastly differently. A pro-life woman would have no hypocrisy to also want to force a man to be a father.
Lion_amongst_gods 3y ago
Agreed. In that case, would you accept that liberty does not mean lack of accountability?
SsoulBlade 3y ago
Is there something better than a facepalm?
Lunatcharsky 3y ago
Wow, talk about full circle
escaperscapers 3y ago
We men should say "my money, my choice!"
LegendaryEmu1 3y ago
Um...okay? Pretty sure you need to consent to abortions...
The whole thing was also pushed by women, so i'm not sure where men come into it.
Mondashawan 3y ago
Is this a group? A movement? Or just 1 woman saying this?
DEADMEAT15 3y ago
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Death's looking better and better every day.
AkashUK 3y ago
How stupid can these texts get?
MetroidJunkie 3y ago
They don't see women as people, to be honest. They think women don't ever have free agency, they're either on the Radical Feminism side or they're being brainwashed. If anyone's belittling women, it's them. They dismiss women who form thoughts of their own.
Draygoes 3y ago
Why is he being downvoted, he's right. 3rd wave Feminists don't really care about women, they care about themselves.
MetroidJunkie 3y ago
My best guess is someone who thought I was referring to the men's right people not caring about women, that I was calling THEM misogynist.
Tapeleg91 3y ago
I thought Margaret Sanger was a woman tho
MingSushi 3y ago
I heard the exact same thing when women are encouraged to sleep around. Feminists would say “It was the men that made us think having casual sex and wearing revealing outfits was empowering!”
Meanwhile feminists also encourage and constantly try to have sex talk with other women all the time, I should I’m a woman and my entire life it was women who encouraged me to show my legs off more, wear tons of makeup and call me a “grandma” when I chose to dress more modest and didn’t want to sleep around. I constantly heard feminists say that saving our virginity for marriage was the patriarchy’s lie to “Make us subservient”.
drymeatsfrydeep 3y ago
what the fuck
awksomepenguin 3y ago
And this is one of the many secular pro-life arguments.
jmr131ftw 3y ago
Mens rights have nothing to do with female complaining. How have you supported you fellow man today? What changes have you made in your community to assist men struggling?. I'm gonna guess none, be part of a solution that helps instead of hurts