Essay:
https://therationalmale.com/2019/04/20/raiders-of-the-lost-covenant/
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Excerpt:
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This was my position going in to this talk with Dr. Piper. Have a listen to the whole segment if you have the time, but what we distilled it down to is the idea of a Covenant Marriage vs. a Contractual Marriage. This was the premise used to describe the divide between marriage how it should be done – religiously, personally, devotionally, how it was done in the past – and the way marriage is now – the worst contractual liability a man can enter into. Needless to say a lot of qualifications followed this.
By my understanding a Covenant marriage presumes a mutual religious reverence and understanding of what is expected of a man and a woman before they enter into marriage. It is founded on the agreement of two individuals who believe they are better together than they are apart. On paper this sounds good, but it presupposes quite a bit – particularly on the part of that woman today. I’ll detail the reasons why in a bit, but I take the Covenantdefinition of marriage to mean that there’s a mutual understanding between the man and woman that they are marrying for love in accordance to what they believe is their religious and monogamous obligation. Fine. We’ve got a model for marriage that is set apart from the Contractual model.
The Contractual marriage is one based on mutual support and an insurance that this support will continue even if the marriage itself dissolves. MGTOWs liken this to a bad business contract that, were it not marriage, no right-thinking man would ever agree to sign off on.
Contractual marriage is the standard for today. Dr. Piper sees this model as the “what can I get from my partner marriage“, but you can decide for yourself if you listen to the discussion. I think this is a bit disingenuous since it implies that men’s only consideration for agreeing to what amounts to a bad business contract would in any way make sense due to a desire for getting what he can out of what’s already a bad deal. Why marry at all if what you’re taking away from it is nothing you can’t get outside of marriage without the risk?
Essentially, Contractual marriage is the marriage-divorce-support structure that men are wisely hesitant about today. Dalrock once noted that sometime after the Sexual Revolution“we moved away from the marriage model of child rearing and into the child-support model of child rearing“, and I think the Contractual model of marriage becoming the default was an integral part of this.
If you’ve ever watched the documentary Divorce Incorporated you can see the machinations of the Contractual form of marriage at work. This is just a taste of some of the real world consequences that accompany Contractual marriage’s liabilities. However, I think going in – and with the emphasis on leading with our feelings – most men have idealistic, Covenant marriage, expectations for their marriages.

Taipanshimshon 6y ago
Women only understand social consequences. Fin.
Thorsvald 6y ago
I will add something else to the distinction between the types of marriages.
If we base it on the biblical model a covenant is between a figure with absolute authority and those who desire and require his protection. Covenants can be between God and the people, God and a person, or a king and his people.
Contracts on the other hand are constraints that peers accept for mutual benefit. They are usually entered for the explicit purpose of the benefit of each party. So any party who is no longer served by the contract no longer has a reason to remain in it.
A covenant also fits the understanding of marriage legally and socially throughout the majority of Western history. The Sacramento's actually performed by the 2 persons entering the covenant. The man extends his authority and responsibility over the woman, And the woman submits to the same.
If you followed the argument so far are you can of course see why modern christians would absolutely run from defining marriage as a covenant. Because to do so would it require admitting that 1 party is the authority extending the covenant to the other. And feminist value systems have so completely replaced any biblical or traditional ones that they are incapable of doing so psychologically and within their ethical systems.
adeptintact 6y ago
I certainly agree that contractual marriage is bad for men. I myself didn't come out so well financially in my divorce. However, to present an opposing view to think about, if a man has a child with his girlfriend, he is still on the hook for child support if they break up. That is similar to divorce from an ex-wife. The main financial difference would then be any alimony and split of retirement accounts or properties that would come from a divorce.
If that is the case, marrying a woman that makes as much as you or more would be advantageous because you would benefit from a divorce financially, not her.
Given all this, it would make more sense that if a man wants to marry, that he looks for a woman that makes about the same or more than him to protect himself in case of divorce.
Luck-67 6y ago
Very well articulated. Like many, I married one of those so called Christian women under the false haze of the Convenant idea....only to end up on the ass end of a real life contract.
I ended up coining the term “Porno Christian” from my marriage, which means: Christian until it (the sin) feels good, gets her buzzed, exploits someone...or makes her money....then God goes is the window until she is “saved” next time (again).
cjandstuff 6y ago
From experience. Don't do a covenant marriage.
She cheated anyway. Abandoned our church, our family, and everything she claimed to believe.
And within a couple of month, started a new life at a new church like nothing happened.
Only thing the covenant marriage did, was make it take longer to get the divorce finalized.
hidemyface1234 6y ago
Similar here. Virgin marriage, she cheated 5 years in because she was curious what another dick felt like. (Hamster).
Redflags were I was turning more beta, had no game to provide feelz, I was experimenting with long hair that she found disgusting. On her side she made friends with divorced women, had childhood issues (despite a seemingly perfect upbringing), was becoming very vain, and had opportunity of me being out of town a few times in a couple month span...
Let me tell you that you cannot prevent this kind of thing. It may not happen to everyone, but you cannot engineer a solution to bring it to acceptable threshold... Maybe the risk/reward analysis would be ok if the laws we're different. But they're not, and they're not getting any better any time soon. Many men take the redpill hoping they can continue with bluepill goals. That is regurgitated bile. It will be bitter in your mouth one day.
I did get off easy(in terms of divorce) because she felt guilty and because she wanted my silence in social circles... That will not be the average case.
[deleted] 6y ago
Same shit happened to me. Sorry brother
[deleted] 6y ago
Tens and tens of thousands of child support I’ve paid over the last five years. My kids have straight teeth and long shin bones but their mother is a prize whore despite her world class nutrition habits. I don’t care because I go to sleep at night with empty coffers and wake up with full.
lololasaurus 6y ago
Pretty good article, I still land on the I have to obey God rather than men side, so slightly at odds with the ending tone, but this has also been my experience. Completely.
Came out of previous divorce. Woman I was dating linked me a sermon from a pastor that's honestly more masculine than most. I became a Christian, joined that church. AMOGing pastor yelled at me (not specifically) and I liked the message and it fit with scripture a lot. Marry those single moms, the usual nonsense. Of course no mention of the statistics for divorce rate by sexual partners, nope, Christian women are made new by Christ (and, in my experience, those who are really saved, they are different, though the biology is the same... Unfortunately it seems the one I picked isn't really too serious about it all). And of course right now there's an outstanding divorce filing. Meanwhile I'm over here actually really serious about my faith, owning my commitments, and not giving any biblical reason for divorce, but after she got put in church discipline and left my church for one that is, shall we say, more feminist... Well, her church lets her serve and supports her through her decision to file for divorce.
I mean I'm fully responsible for this situation, straight up. But what you're observing here does fit my experience almost completely.
SBIII 6y ago
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The Church of Born Again Virgins? I heard about that.
hidemyface1234 6y ago
I'll be a good Christian if you will is a covert contract. NMMNG
lololasaurus 6y ago
I've read it, it's good and I've actually been thinking about going through it again, but what you posted is not what I am suggesting or how I am operating. I am not a "good" Christian, but I am a serious Christian, and I love my King and Father. My performance is not predicated on her behavior or not.
Bobsfreestuff 6y ago
Religion, the original Blue Pill lie. Religion is the auctual matrix. Religion is the code of the matrix. Take a few moments, discard your faith. Watch what religion does not what religion says.
lololasaurus 6y ago
Hah.
People who post this stuff are the atheist equivalent of the guys with the turn or burn signs and the megaphones at busy intersections, best I can tell at least.
Bobsfreestuff 6y ago
It is fascinating how quickly the plugged-in DEER.
lololasaurus 6y ago
Next time you post something like this about religion (and of course, how obviously anyone who doesn't agree with you must be plugged in) could you make sure to wear the signature fedora so I can experience this phenomenon in all its fullness? <3
Bobsfreestuff 6y ago
Next time you are on your knees, praying to your lord, open your mouth real wide. Imagine me, wearing the signature fedora, throat fucking you. Experience this phenomenon in all its fullness.
lololasaurus 6y ago
I freaking love this subreddit
Bobsfreestuff 6y ago
LOL. I know, I love this place. Best thing on the web.
Aechzen 6y ago
Looking forward to the book!