It’s been more than 2 years since I first found the Married RedPill subreddit and began to unfuck myself. This post is about my journey, the good, bad and ugly. Really the purpose is for my own self-awareness, I don’t really care about you assholes, but maybe you will get something of value.
I grew up in a good family with a father who told me that I could do anything if I put my mind to it and a mother who was a cold sex denying harpy. My father did what a lot of guys do and stocked up on porn and of course I found it as a teen during the time when my growing body had more testosterone than I could handle. I experimented with drugs and alcohol and got on the wagon with a deeply religious experience and involvement. Instead of getting high I would read the Bible and completed it cover to cover four times. I focused on academics and was able to graduate high school a year early and went to college with an academic scholarship. All of this with no date in high school and awkward interaction with girls at best. So this was the formation of my mental model of sex and male/female interactions.
Fast forward to graduate school, I left my girlfriend 400 miles away to pursue a professional career that promised high pay and stability. I was in the big city knowing nobody and missed fucking her but she found someone else (my first life lesson in AF/BB). My game and frame where awful, I was a shy nice guy who wanted girls to like me for “the good guy I was on the inside” and my career potential (beta provider) . I had descent looks but was not hawt. Eventually my beta game had some success and some girlfriends came and went. At one point I was spinning plates without even knowing (a Japanese girl, an Indian girl, and an Irish girl. I always go for the exotics)
Then one day I met a girl who was giggly, innocent, cute and seemed to follow me around and show interest. We met up a few times and she mentioned her long distance boyfriend who eventually was given the boot. We would make out in her apartment but no clothes ever came off and I found out that she was never with a man before. She was about 25 years old. I dropped my plates and spent more time with her. She went to Catholic church every week and I thought that she made me a better person for being with her.
At one point while making out one night she put my dick in her. Unfortunately, I fagged out and didn’t train her over time to be what I really wanted sexually. Instead, I was a nice guy, I let her drive the bus, not wanting to hurt her, and continued jerking off to fill in the gaps for my needs. We had sex maybe 1-2/month with just missionary position and she got oral.
Meanwhile she had family problems with her grandparents dying, her father becoming terminally ill, and her mother having a chronic illness. There were no men left in her family. She leaned on me emotionally, I was her rock, and her support during the whole time. Eventually we got married. I think she bought a beta plowhorse on purpose because that’s what she wanted.
Fast forward to about 2 years ago. I was frustrated and at my wits end. Why won’t my wife fuck me? I’m horny and love her but she doesn’t want sex, why, how can I fix this? I found Athol Kay’s book which brought me to Married RedPill. It was an awakening unlike anything else in my life and I engaged myself like never before on a path of improvement. I read the sidebar, joined a gym, and began to change internally. I’m not going to rehash all the stuff I did, it’s pretty much the same as everyone else who’s unfucked themselves and the path is well known to those who put in the effort.
I posted a 1 year report last year and felt like I was making real progress but never felt like I had reached the top of the mountain. So many guys humblebrag here about sex on demand, squirting anal orgasms, getting nude texts, or their wife sucking their sweaty balls after a workout…. I had none of that. I did go from a baseline of sex once every 6-8 weeks to about once every 2-4 weeks. Still vanilla sex but improved frequency.
Other areas in my life improved dramatically as I became more unfucked, mostly just by asserting my frame. I was less affected by her actions or moodz, and generally she became more of an accessory to my life rather than the center of it. She was happier and so was I.
I have been called out by some for suggesting that my wife is a special unicorn. I don’t think she’s special, just that she is not typical. I know AWALT, but not every woman is exactly like that. Her deeply religious upbringing and remaining a virgin for so long created mental models that guide her thinking about sex and consequently her actions. She has a sex drive but its muted and the default thinking is one of restraint or repression. That’s why most sex with us happens after alcohol or on first waking up when inhibitions are down. I believe that she has attraction, but ultimately it conflicts with a mental model of chastity and being a proper lady. In short, yes she is a woman, but not like every woman.
As I improved over the second year there was a slight uptick in frequency to once every 1-2 weeks. She still wears old granny underwear and says that my protein shakes have made me into a pervert (she thinks there’s testosterone in them). I own it with a shit eating grin. About a month ago I turned her over and fucked doggy style, she said that it was degrading. I told her it was fun. I can’t help but think back on a comment from someone a year ago saying that I might be successful but the juice may not be worth the squeeze.
Slowly I have become more indifferent as to whether or not I have sex with her, and to our relationship in general. The topic has come up more than once where I said “why would I need to have an affair?” or “don’t give me a reason to have an affair” Her reply was always “don’t threaten me” I made my point but nothing really changed.
A couple months ago I came closer to the conclusion that I’m not going to get what I need in my current situation and there were only 2 choices: divorce or affair. After much thought I decided against divorce, at least for now. We don't have kids. A big reason is financial, she makes a lot of money and I get richer the longer we stay married. Selfish, but I’m okay with that.
For me, it’s would be hard to game women without it getting back to her in some way or without it affecting my business, so I went to an online dating site. Wow, it’s been enlightening to say the least. First off, I just posted a pic of me in a t-shirt with my arms showing. There’s messages sent every day from interested women. I guess women really do like muscles. It’s fun looking at profiles and flirting back and forth. I spend way too much time on that shit but I’m having fun. I’ve met a handful of girls and took one to a hotel room and fucked her silly.
That was a huge step. How do I reconcile my self image of being a good guy with what I did? How can I look at my wife in the eye and say I love her after that? How can I put my dick in her after that? It’s been a journey in self reflection and aligning my thoughts and actions, but essentially, it’s like I told her more than once, don’t give me a reason to have an affair and I won’t. That pretty much sums it up.
I feel like a part of me died when I was with the other girl, I realized that it was just the last vestiges of oneitis and the pussy on the pedestal. Sex is sex, no more, no less. It’s cheap and available for a high value man. If I’m denied and sent out into the world with a full tank, don’ t be surprised that I come back empty.
I continue to pursue plates because it’s fun and I have a full tank. The hardest thing is finding enough time to meet these girls and the time sink of chasing them on the computer and texting. I’m trying to avoid the pitfall of making pussy my mission or seeking validation in the pursuit. I think I’m doing well so far and I’ll have to see where this ultimately goes.
I fully understand the risk posed by seeking plates and that it will eventually be discovered if I continue long enough. That will certainly end in divorce, but so be it. I don't mean that in a butt hurt way, its just the facts. She had first dibs on my sex but passed, so I eventually moved on. I will be fine regardless, more than fine, I’ll kick life in the ass. I’m a man, that’s enough.
Edit: I really don't care what some assholes on the internet think about this post. I'm living my life on my own terms how I want to and I'm happy. If you don't like it, fuck off. I should have thanked those that gave their time to help me along the way during these past 2 years. You and I know who you are.

KznRob 7y ago
Haha! That's a new one I haven't seen! Ya'll into that?
Also, good post. You do you man fuck the haters. Seems like you are a happier man.
screechhater 7y ago
There is no big secret she will flat out be sexual for the right guy regardless of her “upbringing,” past or your lack of past expectations of escalation during the “auditioning stage”
There is a huge disconnect of accord in the LTR coming as you continue to ONS or plate. Own it. And, make god damned sure you identify the signs of her tightening the rope.
Do not allow your new slaying as impetus to impeded your growth, mission or frame as you settle in getting your wick wet elsewhere.
There is a point to all this, define it and see the light.
Good report.
HerukaArisen 7y ago
Thank you for your post. I got a lot out of thinking about it.
My initial impulse was to lash out, like many seem to have done ("You call this progress!" and "WTF why are you even married?"), but I didn't do it. I know it is very easy to tell others what to do. I'm also convinced that many of the things you have done over the past two years have actually been challenging steps for you. And you went through the trouble of writing a coherent and thought-out post, which is more than most of the guys coming here ever manage to do.
I thought about why some things in your post made me uncomfortable and confused. The reason is that they apply to me, as well, and this quickly becomes hard to tolerate. But instead of attacking you, I thank you for holding the mirror.
There are so many details in your life I can relate to. The dysfunctional mother; using academic success, spirituality and porn to escape reality and stop feeling so miserable; having moderate success with women because of decent looks and good guy traits but, in reality, being very inhibited sexually. You and me both even managed to marry good girls with similar taste for underwear!
I have a few comments. As I'm writing them, I realize that they all apply to myself, as well.
Isn't it strange how much of this dynamic you have been able to recreate? I applaud you for sticking your dick in strange pussy, but I have a feeling that this is just a more advanced version of porn for you. It sounds like a very good step for you. But I also suspect it is not what you really want or what is really challenging for you, like having wild sex with someone who means something to you.
We often say here that our wife is a reflection of ourself, but we rarely unpack what it means. I think what it means is that pretty much all the observations we make about our wives, in reality, apply to ourselves, as well.
Why is it that you seem to be able to initiate only when you are drunk or when your inhibitions are down? I would really look into this. It is not unusual to have more wild and memorable sexual experiences when drunk but you need to look into what is happening when you are not drunk. Try finding other ways to overcome the barriers in your mind for initiating. I would also look into your own religious concepts about sex and really start questioning them.
The same thing applies to this:
I'm guessing here, but something tells me you don't have tattoos and piercings, either, and don't go to work in a leather jacket. Am I right?
This is the part that puzzles me the most. Richer for what? Driving a fancier car? Going to sexless vacations in exotic locations? Building a mausoleum for you and your wife's marriage when you are both dead? I would get it if you had kids and wanted to secure their future. In your situation this makes no sense to me. Or, it does, but only as an excuse for something else.
Trying to be "a better person" seems to me your biggest problem. I don't know who you do it for, but I'm guessing God and your mommy. Even now, as you are about to wreck your marriage, you need to do it "properly", warning your wife, giving her a chance to step up, having a totally meaningless fuck and so on.
If I was you (and in a way I am), I would keep rereading No More Mr. Nice Guy over and over again. I would also really take into serious consideration your religious beliefs about desire, sex and relationships. You can use your wife as a reference point: what you see in her can be found in you. For me, the book Loving What Is by Byron Katie has helped in doing this. It is a practical technique for questioning our own thoughts and concentrating on yourself instead of trying to change others.
You're two years in. In a year, I would like to see if you can write a progress report where your wife is not mentioned at all, whether you are married to her or not.
framelessglasses 7y ago
Good on you man.
You're making decisions about what you will do. Not perfect, but deliberate and thought out, and it suits you.
Best part of your post:
..now that's red pill porn to me.
MrChad_Thundercock 7y ago
“kick life in the ass. I’m a man, that’s enough.”
You got it bro.
helaughsinhidden 7y ago
This question is in all of us: What if I put in all the work and I become the best version of myself after exerting maximum effort and she still doesn't find me attractive?
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That's you brother.
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What you actually did was skipped DREAD LEVEL 6 and LEVEL 8 because you are afraid of her rejecting you still, so you sought out strange instead. LEVEL 9 would be impossible because, to be honest, as far as she is concerned she is financially and sexually more valuable than you are. You've only visualized LEVEL 10, in an imaginary talk by yourself in the shower. Nope, you took a weak and frankly cowardly jump right to DREAD LEVEL 11, extra marital sex and are probably subconsciously considering leaving your internet history on the computer or leaving your phone unlocked to get busted and force HER to make LEVEL 12 happen. You'll break her heart so she leaves you instead of you confronting a woman you are clearly afraid of.
Aechzen 7y ago
You have to figure that out for yourself. I and others here get the impression that you skipped DL 10 if you have to ask yourself that question. If you didn't know about MRP at all, you may have stumbled into the equivalent level of disclosure, where you tell her where she stands; you're going elsewhere for sex. I really talked to my wife about that, and if I had not I imagine I'd feel the guilt that you seem to feel.
The same way you did before. If you don't actually love her, don't say it.
I do that too. Sometimes within a few hours of being elsewhere.
It doesn't seem like you've quite internalized your image of yourself as a high value man, despite landing some strange.
I'm going to make a wild guess that your sex elsewhere has been fun, and the other woman / women let you do stuff you would have to give drugs to your wife to get her to let you try. You're allowed to conclude that if you want sport fucking it will have to be elsewhere. And you're allowed to stay married for good reasons such as you're richer married than divorced.
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All her income means is that, along with no kids, you also have no reason to fear getting divorce raped.
Is your time and freedom worth so little to you that you're willing to sell them both for a portion of your wife's income?
I really don't think that's it though. I think your ego is wounded by the fact that she hasn't responded as you'd hoped, but you're too invested to walk away and admit failure.
Go back to the very beginning. This is NMMNG level stuff. You're still letting women's perception of you drive your life. Whether it's how often your wife fucks and what positions, or having a ONS, or seeking validation through online flirting (and I'll bet you're borderline obsessive about this).
InChargeMan 7y ago
No kids = LTR with slightly more paperwork. You're spending way to much time worrying about what others think about your life choices. You get ONE life, don't waste it.
Here is your paint-by-numbers guide to marriage:
Step 1: Figure out what thing you require for a successful relationship.
Step 2: Figure out what you would do to retain a relationship that meets step 1.
Step 3: Make the needs of step 1 clear to your wife and determine if what it will take to get there will fit within step 2.
Step 4: Based on step 3 take action. Either break up, stay together with plates (and make it known to her), stay together with secret plates, or teach her how to be the wife you need.
Step 5: Be happy
UnbreakableFrame 7y ago
This, in text format (not a link), should be on the sidebar.
NMMNG_1 7y ago
So much wrapped in this comment. Impeccable.
hack3ge 7y ago
It’s literally the dummy’s guide to building a MAP - most succinct distillation I have seen to date. However like you alluded to the guys that need it the most won’t even realize what a gift he just gave.
InChargeMan 7y ago
Sometimes the answers aren't what elude us, it's the ability to recognize them and willingness to act.
JudgeDoom69 7y ago
After two years you are still totally in your wife's frame.
Your progress report is written from your wife's perspective. Everything is about how it affected her reaction to you.
You're a beta who happens to lift and has now cheated on his wife. Until you develop your own frame she'll never see you as an alpha male and she'll never be attracted to you.
Soon one of her single friends is going to see you on the dating sites and send a screen shot to your wife. So be prepared for that.
tonguexp 7y ago
Honest question, How long till she is pregnant? Will it be yours?
And I bet she does not believe in divorce for any reason.
JDRoedell 7y ago
Worthy question here, OP. I know you’ve chosen not to go the divorce route which is fine since you’re owning it but once kids are in the picture that option becomes more... harrowing.
Persaeus 7y ago
not a dig on you specifically, but I'll never understand this not uncommon leap. it's a thing, but just seems ridiculous to me. i've met more than a few of these types, and then they have a common air about them - flaky . . . as in seeming very sure of themselves but faking it.
assigning way too much agency to what is essentially a child, which i don't normally apply to women but i am apply to your woman. you're both stunted as neither of you ever actually grew up, in a sexual sense at a minimum and probably more.
i agree you girl is abnormal. see above on stunted maturation, but also
she sees it that way because she still sees you as beta, and not in positive sexual way. story time - i fucked my wife doggy during the first ever session, later stuck it up her ass, fucked her doggy everywhere and she thought is was hot as shit. can still remember this moment with crystal clarity; but few years after we got married and i had started my beta slide she told me that doggy was degrading to her. i'm an asshole so i kept fucking her doggy anyway. after i got my shit together, she know grinds her ass into me while panting and grunting. same woman; different man.
negotiation (at the point of gun) fail. you should say, "it's not a threat, it's a promise (then) or fact (now)"
it's about time. although your assignment is off. the part of you that died is the part that always puts the (mis)perception of how other people value you as opposed to how you value yourself.
with where you are at, i wouldn't worry about this at all. make pussy/validation your mission for awhile. make that sense of fullfillment and busting nuts all over willing vixens your mission. the point of this is to learn how to put what you want always first in your life. after while you'll get bored, and can than start working on what you really want in the bigger sense.
i think you should stay married for awhile and slay pussy because i fear you're still a walking beta trap. too much risk to fall into new oneitis. you have much to learn that you should have learned back in the day.
just know, eventually your wife is going to have to go. you get to divorce rape her, hahaha.
ffs i hope you have a solid plan to not impregnate the wife, or anyone else.
man_in_the_world 7y ago
This isn't necessarily making your point; it could be interpreted as comfort/reassurance, or as a deniable fake threat by a guy who's too much of a pussy to make an open threat, let alone act on it.
You also have two additional choices:
Dread Levels 9 and 10: a clear declaration that you will seek better sex elsewhere without improvement with her
From your OP and prior posts, I sense that you hesitate to challenge or to lead your wife (or anyone else, for that matter). Try leading with a vision for a more intimate marriage, if only because you'll need one to flip the script if and when she discovers your affairs. You should study /u/Persaeus's posts on his main event when his affairs were discovered.
thunderbeyond 7y ago
Good for you man. Go slay pussy.
So happy to hear you say you don't give a fuck what we think.
Live your life the way you want to.
amalgamator 7y ago
Wow - do you feel like you really did DL 9 and 10 properly or did you skip to 11?
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weakandsensitive 7y ago
Bunch of random nobodies comment how "without kids it’s easier to just move on", "why are you fucking whores", etc.
These randos aren't necessarily wrong, but they're also not living OP's life.
So here's how this will go - anyone without OYS or MRP history making "no shit sherlock" suggestions will be banned. Everyone else can ass fuck OP with as much vitriol as you want.
ChokingDownRP 7y ago
Nice update. Good for you on following through on fucking someone else. Is the money she makes really worth you forgoing the life you want for yourself? Only you can figure out what you want in life, but you seem to have a strong case of oneitis - you'd think pounding out some strange would've taken care of that for you.
ibelieveican1982 7y ago
Interesting report.
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I have read a bunch of these over the short time I have been here..
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What is going for you - you decided what you want and went for it. Good for you. You are the judge of your own actions.
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What seems off - you cite financials as to why you are staying... This seems off to me.. Any man can make up whatever it is you might lose by letting her go... this is our power as a man... and an MRP man to boot....This report to me seems more like justification... to yourself... for staying..
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As in... we both know you want to leave.. but you are justifying staying for some reason... that does not mean anything in the big picture..
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Financials.. fuck me... how much do you need to live? by yourself? with no kids?
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No that is the only thing in this report that bugs me.. I mean.. you have to be true to yourself.. so ok.. you want to dip outside.. fuck others... go ahead.. but be true to why you want to do it... and also be true to why you want to stay...
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I have been here 7 months.. I am a newb compared to you.. but I can clearly see you are trying to make yourself feel better for WHY you chose to go outside.. and WHY you are choosing to stay...
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If no kids, I would have chosen to leave.. But then again I have no way to know unless I walk in your shoes for a while...
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So you do you... but introspect a little bit about why you are staying. I do not think financials are the reason. I think you 'feel' SHE will FEELZ bad about it. And that is why.. But again, I do not know your situation... this is totally my perspective and short experience talking here...
arm_candy 7y ago
MRP isn’t a money printing press. There’s nothing about reading The Rational Male that makes it easy to raise your income dramatically.
I think staying with someone solely because they earn a lot of money is weak, but I can certainly imagine scenarios where OP might never make as much as 50% of his wife’s income. She could be a specialist surgeon making $750k/year or an exec earning millions/year consistently. Meanwhile he’s a doctor for turds which probably doesn’t pay very well.
Redpillbrigade17 7y ago
You’re still playing amateur league. You don’t have kids and yet you prostitute yourself by staying with this woman whom you’ve chosen years ago. Would 2019 badass you choose this woman? Keep growing man balls and pull the plug. Staying in a relationship with her is like wearing an old coat that no longer fits you.
What’s your plan? Fuck around yet slowly die every day you accept something that’s not what you truly want ?
weakandsensitive 7y ago
I like the progress. Because at the end of the day, you're making progress and it sounds like you're content with the progress. Can't hate on a man who doesn't give a fuck about other people's opinions.
SBIII 7y ago
I literally just stopped reading at the part where you said you were ok to stay with her because it benefits you financially.
You're fucking pathetic. Two years of MRP and that's the conclusion you've arrived at. Congratulations on wasting two years of your life. You haven't learned a fucking thing.
Progress report, my arse. I've seen newbs with better progress than you. You'll never fucking learn.
weakandsensitive 7y ago
I might not do it, but I can understand why someone would.
RStonePT 7y ago
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JDRoedell 7y ago
There’s definitely an inverse relationship between how long one is on MRP and how much LARPing they do. I was in denial about my own for at least a year and a half. And you know what? My LARPing wasn’t really action based (I lifted, I got hobbies, etc), it was more mental based. I was LARPing the mindset
weakandsensitive 7y ago
Mindset is always the hardest to fix.
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weakandsensitive 7y ago
The irony of a MGTOW shaming a man for optimizing a situation.
iOSvista 7y ago
While I agree with a lot of what you say, I do have to point out that your a lil beta bitch too
OP needed to get this out of the way. Every man needs to know he's still able to slay before moving onto the shit that matters. Now that he knows he can, it doesnt matter anymore and the value comes from him learning that through his experience.
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iOSvista 7y ago
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weakandsensitive 7y ago
Who are these people making these comments? The simple answer is reference experience. Fuck.
bogeyd6 7y ago
This is a feel good post but I have to say using the word hawt was a major turn off.
Reach180 7y ago