A fundamental core principle here is that you are the judge of yourself. This means that you have to be a very tough judge, look at those areas you never want to look at, understand your weaknesses, accept them, and then plan to overcome them. Bravery is facing these challenges, and overcoming the challenges is the source of your strength.
We have to do this evaluation all the time to improve as men. In this thread we welcome everyone to disclose a weakness they have discovered about themselves that they are working on. The idea is similar to some of the activities in “No More Mr. Nice Guy”. You are responsible for identifying your weakness or mistakes, and even better, start brainstorming about how to become stronger. Mistakes are the most powerful teachers, but only if we listen to them.
Think of this as a boxing gym. If you found out in your last fight your legs were stiff, we encourage you to admit this is why you lost, and come back to the gym decided to train more to improve that. At the gym the others might suggest some drills to get your legs a bit looser or just give you a pat in the back. It does not matter that you lost the fight, what matters is that you are taking steps to become stronger. However, don’t call the gym saying “Hey, someone threw a jab at me, what do I do now?”. We discourage reddit puppet play-by-play advice. Also, don't blame others for your shit. This thread is about you finding how to work on yourself more to achieve your goals by becoming stronger.
Finally, a good way to reframe the shit to feel more motivated to overcome your shit is that after you explain it, rephrase it saying how you will take concrete measurable actions to conquer it. The difference between complaining about bad things, and committing to a concrete plan to overcome them is the difference between Beta and Alpha.
Gentlemen, Own Your Shit.

flguy40 7y ago
Stats: 41, 207#, ~16%bf. Started 242#, fuck load of bf.
Lifts: on a cut, but OHS:95x5, squat: 185x5, dL 225x5 I just added back compound lifts, mostly dumbbell exercises, 1.5 hours a day including 20 min cardio,
Read: currently on WISNIFG, Daybang, Finished MMSLP and saving a low sex marriage by blue pill professor.
Audio booked NMMNG.
MAP: I’m at about 9 weeks in. I have my map articulated out to about month 5/DL5.
Accomplishments: I have lost about 40 lbs of far(started almost 8 months ago, before I sealed the pill, about 10 since swallowing pill.
All new wardrobe cause none of that shit fit.
I posted.a post in MRP, got banned for two weeks, I think my original post got deleted, fuck you assholes!
Relationship: I may have one of the toughest marriages to save, if it’s worth saving. When I started... that was my focus, but like everyone else here...I am the focus now.
What makes it tough is I actually work for my wife in a business we started. I chose to make her the president and primary owner. ... WTF you ask? Well I have had previous business and partners all who screwed me not in the literal sense. Also, there are benefits to having a women owned small business in the US, and by law, the spouse owns 50% anyway....also, beta blue pill pitch pussy pedestal bla bla bla....
Been married 14 years, anniversary in 3 days, 2 kids 12 and 10.
She was going to “get a place she could escape to” (aka separation condo) but realized she could not afford it...
The argument now is I must be happy to trap her!
Well, There are some key lessons I have learned, 1) lift, 2) stfu 3) go back to one.
Mistakes: 1) I fucked my self royally by making ultimatums at DL0 about improving the marriage. I was not aware nor had I read the sidebar etc,etc.... I found MRP shortly after the ultimatums. 2) this resulted in basically I silent treatment, no sex, roommate situation for the past 8 weeks. 3) fuckkkkkkkkkkkk!, the very next day I found MRP 4) I would be further along without the ultimatums.
So I have been steadfast DL1&2 for the past 8 weeks. since. Some Advance DL because I lost so much weight over past 6 months I needed to replace my wordrobe!
Today: Very escalating shit tests. A 4 hour shittest when we have been averaging 5 minutes of communication a week.
Because of my new looks (physique (( I have a two pack, working on the next 2)), new wardrobe, some new aviators sunglasses (gold) she started with;
“You look different, like a slime sales man...guido...mafia...narcissist! “
I laughed out loud.
“Why are you laughing... wtf is this snide aloof attitude?”
“I’ll feel bad I have this control over you”
I laughed out loud.
Anyways... I feel I handled a barrage of shit tests and followed by comfort tests...but at least we are talking.
Either way I have other stories...girls 20 years younger hitting on me, getting IOI’s, learning the value of reset every day...drinking with Navy Seals....all made possible by swallowing the pill and slowly awakening.
I still want a healthy marriage, and want to get laid. Hopefully by the same person.
Reminder to my self: Slow down! No Rambo!
Sepean 7y ago
it sounds like you’re above DL5 already, or at least ready for it.
Imo you’re also spending too much time in the gym for being on a cut, I really like high intensity and very low volume on cuts.
arm_candy 7y ago
OYS #5
Haven't posted in a few weeks, partly due to "lack of time" and partly due to the fact that I haven't been making a much progress in any area and didn't want to be honest with myself and say that. I've been working on putting together an actual MAP and focusing goals and next steps there rather than using this as a dumping ground for a bunch of items on my todo list.
I've got a lot of areas to work on, but I'm realizing that ending my time wasting is the biggest one. I'll fix this. A lot of other failures are flowing from the fact that I "don't have time".
Fitness
36, 153.5lb, 5'7", 15ish % bodyfat (Navy method)
Wendler Training maxes: OHP 80, BP 130, SQ: 235, DL: 245
Body weight is up quite a bit. After being sick my weight rebounded to about 149 and stayed there for a week. Since then it's climbed over 4 pounds which is too much, too fast. When I was stagnant at 150 I was stuffing myself and not gaining but now it's moving faster than I want so I'm cutting back my intake slightly (e.g. no more two breakfasts) in the interest of getting to a 0.5-1lb/week consistent gain.
Coming back after being sick+deload was terrible. Next time I deload I'm not dropping weights so much. I followed the blackironbeast 5/3/1 default deload which was too low (essentially just warm up sets) and left me feeling like I essentially skipped the whole week.
Otherwise lifting is going great. Have been consistent 3x/week. I am changing my program slightly by replacing the second BBB accessory lift on leg days with upper-body work. Still doing the 5x10 for deadlift and squat, but after that doing overhead or bench, plus pull-ups. This means I'm hitting a press movement every day in the gym.
Time Wasting
I'm allowing myself to waste enormous amounts of time lately. Last night the kids went to bed around 7:30. I went to bed after 11. I did at most an hour of real work in there and the rest of that time was entirely wasted. I sacrificed sleep to waste time.
I need to put structure around my "leisure" activities in the same way I did drinking and stop this. No more reddit at work, no exceptions. No more screen time after 9pm. The only exceptions are writing my own OYS posts and reading/responding to those specific replies, dealing with actual urgent work events, or doing things that directly accrue to my goals (YouTube no. Mint yes).
Social
Have been going to social events about 1x/week. Nothing scheduled for next week so I need to fix that. I'm thinking of joining a Toastmasters group to force myself to be social around a new group of people. Will look into that and attend next week if the calendar allows it.
Career
Time wasting is my biggest issue here. Addressed above. I need to cut the garbage first, then focus on all the other areas that I will improve.
Leadership
Stop wasting time. Use the reclaimed time to work on financials, home projects, etc.
Drinking
Have ended my completely dry spell after about a month. Have only had drinks at social events and have limited those as well. No drinks at home at all. This has been a complete win. I need to get more of this sort of win in other areas.
Wife Relationship
Holding steady here, which isn't a win. Gaming and sex are mostly unchanged the last few weeks. Getting a bit more compliance with sex but not a lot more enthusiasm. Fix myself and see what happens.
I'm pushing back on some compliance tests more effectively. (I don't get a lot of the harpy shit tests that other people talk about.) e.g. I was headed out to see a friend and my wife asked me if I could bring her the baby monitor. She knew I was leaving and chose to walk upstairs without the monitor. Told her no, I was heading out, and left. I'm also doing more tit-for-tat. She'll ask me to do random thing X that she could do. I'll say sure but then ask her to do Y. If she wants me to help the older kid brush teeth (or whatever) while I'm getting the younger one ready for bed, then she has to take over and finish getting the younger one ready. Other times I'm still missing/failing tests. One day I got home and she asked me to check the younger kid's diaper. I don't mind changing his diaper but this means she knew he had a smelly diaper and she waited for me to change it. Should have called her out on this.
Not much else to update on. Holding steady and need to do a lot better than that.
Jregal1981 7y ago
Ok can I just google the name of all the abbreviated names for the books because I have no fucking clue on what some of them are!
arm_candy 7y ago
Most of them are in the sidebar reading list.
https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/about
oldgit42 7y ago
Following that link gives you a page that says only moderators can access. I've been puzzling about the sidebar for a while, until I came across the answer in another subreddit. When you are new you get a new design of reddit and the sidebar is not included. You have to switch to the old design to see it. According to this other subreddit sidebar content has to be moved into its own text widget by the moderators for it to be seen in the new design. That doesn't seem to have been done here.
arm_candy 7y ago
That’s just bizarre. The link works for me (mobile) unless I open in desktop mode.
They (Reddit devs) did something bizarre with this one. Makes no sense that you can’t just access the “about” page directly regardless of desktop/mobile/new/classic.
Northaern 7y ago
OYS 1
Stats:
MRP since January 2017 | 48 | 5'10" | 185lbs | 22% BF
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Background:
USMC veteran. Met wife when I was poor, unemployed, and a 6-month old from my ex-girlfriend
Pre MRP: 215 pounds (was 240 at my heavyiest), drunk Captain, played video games for hours every night, classic dad bod with cargo pants, printed t-shirt and hiking boots, case of beer on the weekend and not doing much besides mowing the lawn. A lot of arguing and when are you going to take care of that?
Post MRP: 185, new clothes, no video games, things taking care of at the house (professional Dancing Monkey), a few beers a month. Able to identify and pass comfort/shit tests. IOIs from other people.
Family
Wife: 45, married 18 years, together 22
Children: 24 daughter, 12 daughter
Reading
Finished: MMSLP, MAP, Bang, Day Bang, The Way of the Superior Male, Ironwood Collection of Alpha Moves, Book of Pook, The Rational Male, Saving a Low Sex Marriage,
Currently Reading: WISNIFG
Physical
Squat: 140 | Deadlift: 270 | Bench: 160 | OHP: 75
Need to spend more time in the gym as currently doing mostly push ups and arm curls
Career
Work is doing well. Just completed a college course and an IT security certification.
Financial
Finances are good. Wife and I are both professionals and together make about $200k. I make $80k and she makes $120k. Note: The only time she asked me to make more money was when I was making $35k.
Marriage/Relationship
Dread Level 4
I agree from MRP learning that everything is my fault. I try to keep a good balance of Alpha/Beta around 60/40 and seems to be OK. Relationship is primarily a roommate relationship. Sex stopped about 5 years ago with only 3 sessions about 2 years ago of foreplay. Prior was porn star sex 1-2 per month. The recent article by Sepean on a Fearful-Avoidant Wife was almost exactly my wife. No contact at all, but OK with a quick kiss every now and then and very minimal kino. Going to work with Sepean's recommendations (and any others) of increasing my SMV.
I had the talk pre-MRP (just like in the Dead Bedroom forums) and no benefit at all. I am at the point where my BP self wants to have the talk again, but do not want to chance of losing anything I have now.
Personal
I enjoy hiking and meet up with friends/coworkers for hiking, biking, running, snowboarding, shooting, and airsoft.
Goals
Continue working out and would like to see abs again (last time in my 20s in the military)
DeWittorComstock 7y ago
OYS 8
35, 5’9”, 191.5 lbs, 18% BF, Married 6 years, together 10, just one little one
Current Lifts: B – 170 x 5, S-187x 5, OH-103 x 5, DL – 220 x 5, BR – 13 x 5
Week in review
Same song, same dance as last week. Typical days been work, home to take care of family, work, sleep. I realize I am starting to sound like a broken record, but work is ridiculous right now.
Building Habits
Lack of sleep is causing some bad habits to creep back in under the guise of "I have bee working so hard, so I earned X" or "This shitty activity will help me relax momentarily and then I will get a second wind and I can get back to things". Bad habits include not staying on top of my shit at home, eating junk food and wasting my time on the internet. I have also been failing at the waking up early thing, but I really have needed the extra sleep. The little one is re-discovering waking up at 1 am and 3 am screaming, so that has been fun. I discovered earlier this week that extended periods by myself, away from my computer is does more for relaxation/revitalization than any shitty habit I have so I am making it a point this week to go on a 30 minute solitary walk everyday this week to help collect myself.
My Health
Despite being busy as fuck, things are going OK here. Missed one day of lifting, but my lifts are still progressing and I am back to where I was about 1.5 years ago, before I fucked up my back, so I view that as a small win. I am still weak as fuck, but I don't fucking care. You move a mountain one rock at a time, and you get stronger one lift at a time. Despite a disruption in my diet I am still dropping weight. Waist has dropped 2 inches since I started taking this diet thing seriously, so there is another minor win. These minor wins just help motivate me to keep going, and boy do I have a long way to go. I still need to lose 21 lbs to reach my goal weight of 170.
My Frame
I have somehow managed to keep my shit together and not let stress or frustration get to me even though I am about a week or two away from getting completely burnt out. I suppose this is a small victory. Also managed to not lash out or get bitchy, so that's going well too. I do not want to say I am starting to enjoy the struggle, but I no longer hate it. Adversity builds strength and it forces you to stop sucking.
My work schedule is starting to take a tole on the wife. Shes been sick the past week, stuck at home with a rambunctious little one and an elderly family member of mine that lives with us, and picking up some of the slack in house hold duties left behind while I am working crazy hours. On top of that, she has her own challenges with work that are bringing her down. I hate seeing her so beaten down, and I am trying to not take responsibility for her emotions, but its been pretty hard not too. I trend toward pretty extreme ownership of my actions and how they impact others and the fact my ridiculous work schedule has been causing her hardship at home is eating away at me. I am constantly reminding myself that the best thing I can do for her is keep working my ass off, do as much as I can at home, and be positive and upbeat. When I am in a good mood, she is more likely to be in a good mood since my actions will cause a spillover effect.
WeightsNCheatDates 7y ago
OYS #12. First since March
Been getting complacent, happy with minimal results, but a month ago after a main event, I’ve been back to the RP grind.
Background: age 29, married 1.25 years, together 3. Wife 32. Stepson 9 (dad not in picture). Discovered RP July 18. Only actually dove in about Oct. 18.
Physical: 6’1, 191.8 down 8 since February. Squat 285 Bench 265 DL 375. These numbers have stalled as I’ve been working on my squat technique. Dead’s have been feeling better as I’ve been Sticking with the program, including lots of warmup and mobility.
Main Event and aftermath
A month ago a lot of stuff internally came to a head. Called my dad and broke down to him for the first time in my life: Finances, mortgage, non appreciative wife, stubborn step son, whining about not seeing results of my efforts. Proceeded to talk to my wife about things, but felt I didn’t victim puke too bad. Ever since then I said fuck that, dove back into RP and made it a point to own my shit each and every day.
However when it comes to the wife, I told her I don’t want to continue to try and have a kid if we’re on rocky ground. Of course that’s made her try harder and things have been better. Received two BJs and cavemanned her twice since Friday.
Thing is, I don’t know if I find her sexually attractive anymore. My beta ways agreed to marry her, and settle for less. Now that I’m constantly flirting with women and know I deserve the best because I am the prize, I am itching for more. Idk. Definitely struggling with this hard.
Makes me think I’ll be easier to burn it all down. But easier isn’t always the best path.
weakandsensitive 7y ago
I would. 1.25 years with a woman who has a 9 year old.
You're about to hit a great age for a man. I see no reason to stick around.
WeightsNCheatDates 7y ago
That’s really how I’m starting to feel, especially as I haven’t even hit my prime yet- and I have the opportunity to bang women in their prime.
UnbreakableFrame 7y ago
Lifting:
I only went to the gym 3 times since my last OYS, which is 1-2 less than I would like. My back day, yesterday, was garbage. I've been consistently progressing and sitting at a 1RM of about 385lbs until yesterday. I tried to pull 385 and couldn't even budge it, so I stripped off 20 pounds and tried again. Still not even getting it off the ground. Okay, I took the 25lbs off each side, moving it down to 315lbs (which I usually do 8+ reps of lately), I got 3 miserable reps out. I don't know why I felt so week. I've actually significantly improved my diet over the last week and gotten plenty of sleep. Whatever, maybe it was just an off day. Other than that, I'm fed up with my lack of real chest growth. I significantly reduced the amount of weight I'm benching from 195lbs to 135, changed my grip to be much narrower, and did slightly higher reps at laboriously slow speed. It felt really good afterwards, so I'll check in again in a week to report whether or not I think that's a better strategy.
Relationship/Sex
Extremely good this last week. I haven't had any issues at all since the last thing I reported 2 weeks ago. She's also been significantly more submissive and feminine since I took over the finances. Everything is smooth sailing and the sex has been great. I'm focusing a bit on trying to improve my stamina and prolong foreplay. I watched a handful of Daniel Rose' (the author of Sex God Method) Youtube videos and was inspired to try mixing things up a bit. No complaints in this area right now.
Career:
This one gets interesting. I was offered a pretty big promotion at work this last week. The problem is this: it would require me to move to an area of my state, about an hour from where I live now, that I absolutely hate. It was a big enough raise and offered enough additional corporate exposure that I had to consider it. Even after a reasonably generous offer, I decided I didn't want to take the move, but rather than just turn it down, I decided to counter offer them with a figure that would make the move a no-brainer for me. They actually considered my number for a few days, but ultimately said that it was too high. I told them that I couldn't do the move for less than that and turned down the promotion. It's a little bitter sweet, because I could use some extra money, but the area I live in right now offers me to many positive opportunities to grow and the move just wasn't right for what they were offering. I have no regrets about turning it down.
Education:
I started school officially a few days ago. Nothing really to report here except that it feels like I'm on the right path. I'm tired as fuck of being a low-earner.
Reading:
Currently still finishing up Deep Work by Cal Newport. It's a good read. Like many personal development books, it could be about 1/3rd the length that it is, but still a good read. I still want to revisit the sidebar material and I just purchased The Manipulated Man and 48 Laws of Power, so those are close followers on the chopping block.
Other:
My main focus in my life right now is managing my time. I've been fucking terrible at it my whole life. Even through a good part of my RP journey I've been bad at it. I never learned to do shit that needs doing in a timely manner and it leaked into every aspect of my life. The books that have been helping me through this are The Slight Edge and Deep Work. However, significantly more helpful than those books has been the influence of Jordan Peterson's lectures and interviews. His talks on personal responsibility are really what prepared me to try to be here in the first place. Anyways, I still waste a lot of time, but I'm getting better. The things I'd like to work on currently are how much time I spend checking Reddit (ironically) and other social media.
FlexApollo 7y ago
OYS #11
OVERVIEW
Me: 36, 6’4”, 217 lbs (+2), 25% BF (+1). Wife: 35. Kids: 11G, 5G. Married 8 years, together 12. Lifts: SQ 250 x 9, BP 205 x 6, DL 290 x 12
BACKGROUND
Former college athlete and arrogant bastard. Acted like a child when I got my current wife pregnant. Got married and proceeded to pay reparations for my past sins for the first 5 years of marriage. She stopped caring. I kept on being a submissive man-boy hooked on food, video games, and porn. Discovered MRP about a year ago. False start for a couple months, but didn’t do reading/OYS or stay hungry. In it to win it now, hence OYS.
I gained five fucking pounds this weekend, but I’m counting the experience as a success. Before you start ringing the bell and shouting, “SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!” at me, hear me out. For thirty years, I’ve had issues with tying my emotional state to binge eating. I still feel this way, but far less acutely, and I have greater resolve to resist binging when I recognize the urge. Sunday was my 36th birthday, so rather than stressing over how to manage my eating that day, I planned to just go nuts on whatever junk came across my path.
So, how was planning for an epic birthday binge that undid three weeks worth of dieting a success? Simple - it was untethered from my emotional state. I was in control of what I ate and when I ate it. I had baked goods, movie theater popcorn, soda, a frappucino, and more Oreos than I can count, but never did I feel the compulsion to keep stuffing my face or that I was unable to stop. I ate all shit because it tasted good and it was birthday. The fact that I wouldn’t “allow” myself to have it later is a separate issue for me to figure out. And, I felt like shit Monday morning on through to Tuesday night. My junk food hangover is strange to think about considering my birthday binge was a typical weekend day of eating for me three months ago.
I finished “The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck” and found it entertaining and interesting all the way through. There were a fair number of observations that had a direct impact on some stuff going on at work, and it added another voice to the chorus of accountability and stoicism that runs through all the MRP sidebar material. On u/SBill’s suggestion, I’ve started reading BPP’s book, which thus far is a decent summarization of stuff I’ve read or heard elsewhere. Makes sense seeing as he basically states that’s what his book aims to be. The first couple chapters have me thinking about shit tests and how I’ve regressed a bit in dealing with them.
There’s definitely some low-level dread building now, at least regarding my getting into better shape. My daughter continues to be a wonderful hype man. We were driving home from a soccer game and there was a guy running with his shirt off. She loudly exclaimed, dad has way more muscles than that guy and then went on and on about how much stronger I was than him. Over the next few days, my wife made a number of comments about how healthy I am and how fit I am getting. She’s also made a lot more of an effort in cleaning up the house and dressing up. Still not receptive to initiations, but definitely more interested in interacting with me in general. She also said to me out of nowhere, “Why aren’t you being affectionate with me any more?” I kind of just shrugged and said I hadn’t noticed
I felt really out of balance the past week - I keep moving and driving forward on my goals and in getting the house in order. Even when taking a bit of a step back with my diet progress, I feel really good about my lifting and nutrition. I’m more organized than I’ve ever been, both at home and at work. And financially, we’re in a really stable place now thanks to my more diligent management of our budget.
But, I know that I’m just not that fun to be around for anyone. I’m having a hard time flipping the switch from get-shit-done mode to cocky-funny-confident guy. Also, I don’t have dependable friends or a steady social outlet, and I’m in the process of figuring out how much of a problem that is. My sex drive seems to alternate from raging hard-on 24/7 to no interest whatsoever from week-to-week. Finally, I’m feeling frustrated by the need for patience in achieving my goals.
It’s the entitlement thing I keep reading about - I still crave the short-term highs. I’ve cut sugar, alcohol, video games, and porn out of my life, so I don’t have that steady supply of immediate gratification. It’s been that way for more than ten weeks now and life feels kind of flat when I finally slow down enough from crossing shit off my to-do list to relax. Like I said, I’m out of balance, and need to figure out how to channel some of that energy into being a fun and engaged father, husband, and man.
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donmcde 7y ago
This was not an OYS. This was pure verbal diarrhea. I can't belive I wasted my time reading that garbage.
Really? That's when it happened? Not when she refused to leave your house? Not when she forced you into a relationship you didn't want? Not when she browbeat you into proposing? Not when she gave you a curfew? But, that, that was the point that it happened.
Yeah, you had no say in this. You're just a passive observer in your life.
Barbell Row; Overhead Press
Are you sure you read NMMNG. That's a glaringly obvious covert contract
Yeah, you're not the problem
Supplicating beta nice guy
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You quit your job with nothing else lined up. I assume you have a way to still provide for your daughter.
sonnenfn 7y ago
Hey! Thanks for the feedback, man. Deleted original to not waste anyone else’s time while I learn more about what the OYS is about. Lmfao yeah, verbal diarrhea for sure, still learning how it goes. Definitely agree on the glaring covert contract, I do that with every-damn-thing, so it was cool to learn that’s not how things are supposed to work. That’s why it’s my mission right now to cut that shit. Also thanks for defining the acronyms, tried searching a bit and found nothing before posting. I didn’t go into full detail, but didn’t actually leave with nothing else lined up, wouldn’t do that to the little one. This is exactly what I was hoping to get, some ‘checks and balances’, so I appreciate it, donmcde. Upvoted.
man_in_the_world 7y ago
Do you fold like this in response to every shit test?
Smuggler-Tuek 7y ago
OYS WEEK 1
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Age: 30
Married, twin 2 year old boys.
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Physical:
Height: 5'8"
Weight: 146lb
Workout: 531 BBB. This week is the start of my third four week cycle on 531. Started lifting in January with 5x5.
1RM: Squat: 265lb; Bench: 180lb; Dead lift: 226lb; Shoulder Press: 154lb
Not drinking enough water or eating breakfast. Haven't logged anything in myfitnesspal in several days. Feel more fatigued from workouts than normal and I know its my diet. I get sick of having to log stuff in it all day so I got burnt out I think. Hoping taking a few days off of logging and then going back into it will prevent me from quitting logging food altogether. I also struggle with having access to water or lunch. I think I need to find a more permanent solution like a large water bottle and a lunch box. Shit has been out of sorts lately and I need to get my act together. I don't work tomorrow so my plan is to make a list of all the little shit I haven't done lately and just do it.
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Reading:
Just finished reading MAP and "The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck" last week so I'm taking a short break before I pick up my next book. I've made pretty good progress through the list here and it's been beneficial. Reading Children of Dune in the meantime for fun.
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Career:
I have a tendency to avoid problems at work. Sometimes until the point where little problems become giant problems. Doing my best to suck it up and face some of these things as they come and get them off my plate. This week has been good at ending a lot of work stress. Need to get significantly better at communication. I struggle communicating difficult messages or engaging in uncomfortable conversations. The anxiety is worse than the conversations but I still have a hard time not avoiding, especially if there is other stress in my life.
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Relationship:
After about a year of struggling and working, I have got my marriage to a point where it's not the worst part of my life. Actually, it's one of the bright spots now (most of the time). The main issue with it right now is after all of my work and progress, I struggle feeling loved. It's like I had to earn it which isn't what I expected when I got married. I told my therapist that it's like the difference of when I had a nicotine addiction to before I had one. A single hit was nice, but being addicted and not having access to a vape or cigarette (like in a movie or long work day) then coming back to it was so much more satisfying. Needing something and getting it was much more rewarding than not needing something and having it. My self esteem has significantly improved and it's not based on other people or my wife. I just don't need her anymore for it and so now I don't feel those intense feelings. I think it's a healthy change, but I kind of miss the intensity.
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Social:
I'm an introvert. I don't like to use it as an excuse for poor social skills but it is definitely a factor in them being underdeveloped. Groups of 2-5 people are the best but I'm frequently having to socialize in large groups of 10 people and I don't do as well. This was a cause of significant anxiety for me several months ago and I was desperate for validation but I kept saying the wrong thing or doing something dumb because I get overwhelmed after awhile of being social. I'm past needing validation from them but the social exhaustion remains. The problem here is that I don't really care about accidentally offending someone or seeming disinterested because I don't really want these friendships anyways. My wife takes notice and doesn't love it. For her sake I would like to improve my social skills and awareness but I don't even know where to begin for this exact problem.
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Mission:
I have no fucking clue. I'm a ship without a rudder. For the longest time my goal was to fix my marriage and my home life. Sex whenever I wanted it seemed like such a pipe dream that I thought it would be a lifetime goal. It's been a year of progress and I've essentially got it (always room for improvement but the progress is consistent and good) but the process changed me so much I don't need it. Now I don't know what I need. I don't even know what I want. I've been married for 7 years and I gave up so much of myself to be a "good husband (lol)" and father. Before that my life consisted of illegal street racing and playing video games all night (obviously I have no desire to recreate this existence). I could really use some help or guidance on this.
shouldergirdle 7y ago
You are a young guy, with no direction, you are small in stature but have pretty good lifts for your size. You avoid problems, are stressed, struggle with communication, anxious, in therapy and lost in social situations.
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Here is how to identify a mission: Identify the people that you see around you that exhibit some positive characteristics that you admire. For example, I want to be as jacked as that dude in the gym with the red shorts, I want to be as confident as the that guy that says hi to me in church, that guy at the bank has the best job in the world, that father at the soccer game is the best father I have ever seen. Study those people. Define the characteristics that you admire. Now think of yourself as the amalgamation of all the people that you admire." I'm a jacked guy, I'm confident, have a great job at the bank and I'm the best father. " Now make a plan to start taking small incremental steps each day to acquire those characteristics that you admire.
Make a plan of improvement and work away at it relentlessly day after day. Your mission is to become the amalgamation of those people that you admire. Start doing things, start the struggle. The more you do the better things will become.
Smuggler-Tuek 7y ago
I'd also like to clarify, my social skills with smaller groups are more than proficient. If it's a small group I am usually the more popular one. People seek me out to hang out and talk. They engage with me more than other people. I do a lot with sales at work and it lends itself really well to that. It's kind of the driving reason behind most of my success at work. I am friends with all of my clients and have been for years. Difficult clients that we were about to just dump end up loving me and I can turn the relationship around. The problem really is when it gets to larger groups. It's like I can't figure out how to behave or what to say. The more people involved the more difficult it is to be understood. Also, the less interested I am in the conversations which is difficult for me to mask because I am in general a pretty open and honest person. Hiding how I feel is difficult.
Smuggler-Tuek 7y ago
Accurate, and helpful. Thank you.
FoxShitNasty83 7y ago
Be careful with wendler 531 BBB, I'm doing it on a deficit and it's fucking brutal... Keep an eye on your calories and make sure your getting enough. Also don't just read the books once, go for 10 reads. I can tell you will benefit from more nmmng it's paradoxical you have to live the life you want and do what you want and be a bit selfish. Nothing covert, learning to say no... That's attractive.
Smuggler-Tuek 7y ago
Nmmng is what started my self improvement journey. I love it and will probably reread it first once I get through some others I haven’t been able to read yet. I read on iPad so I can highlight and go back through too. I try to apply them, and it helps, but it’s a constant process right now of reminding myself to use what I’ve learned. Maybe it will be second nature at some point.
I try my hardest to get calories. It’s why I usually track them so rigorously. I’m thinking of supplementing calories with more shakes or something just to round it out. Im on the path of gaining weight. I have gained a solid 4 pounds since January and have lost body fat. I generally can see my abs clearly and have well defined muscles (at least for whatever they are worth at this point).
Thank you
RedPillBluegrass 7y ago
OYS 046 190521
Stats:
The Pitfalls of Reframing
Year one was has passed with what I can consider a high level of success. It wasn’t perfect of course, but a big win for sure.
A continuing problem I have is typing out very long OYS’ just to delete them after I re-read for proofing. The posts I delete are not DEERing as much as they used to be, but more the result of “a problem well stated is half solved”. The general solution most of the time is “it is in my control” which was part of my mantra for most of year one. While everything is certainly not in my control, the way I view my results are… enter “Reframing”.
Reframing seems to be a pretty good technique to deploy. It can change attitudes from negative to positive, it is fairly easy to implement as only one person needs to know the reframing is occuring, it is effective, and it is quite possibly the most delusional technique yet. Ever since I was introduced to the term “Child With Dynamite” and the giant mirror the term held up in front of my face a little over a year ago, I have been very wary about deploying “techniques” as solutions.
Pick-Up, while useful, solved my first level dry penis problem, but left the real issue to fester and rear its ugly head after the seduction was complete. Dread, while useful, solved my second level dry penis problem, but it too did not solve my deeper issues, in fact it made my issues stand out very clearly in my mind. Reframing appears to solve several ego problem by redirecting investments elsewhere, but it certainly doesn’t fix the underlying issue. Reframing as a technique is just as “dynamitee” as Pick Up was.
Don’t get me wrong, reframing is useful. After getting piloried here in MRP for my ego investment, I did a reframe and I now know that being big and healthy is a massive win for my mission. However, even in the reframe, I am still not there 100%.
Goals for Year Two
Repair my social life. My social life is fucked, probably always was. I know what I have to do… find or even build a group of high quality men I can meet with on a regular basis and form genuine friendships with.
Create video content twice a week to increase my YT subscriber count from 4000 to 6000 by the end of the year. I have a science channel, I am known in my industry, but to stay the leader, I have no choice but to bust my balls.
Figure out how the hell to monetize my content. Hardest yet… I have been trying.... Maybe there is a consultancy that can help me figure this out.
Learn to date again. I have a captive audience, she wants me to do it. Do it.
Blueballslover 7y ago
OYS #3
Stats:
34yo, 6'2", 191 lbs., SL5x5 - SQ: 195 5x5 BP: 120 5x5 BR: 130 5x5 OHP: 80 5x5 DL: 215 1x5
Mission:
This is what I have so far, rediscover my passions and build my foundation to have an adventurous and passionate life.
Reading: Listing to Book of Pook audio( I am getting a different perspective from the audio instead of reading it) plus reading a section a day off WISNIFG. I really need the refresher. I go full DEER tard mode without it.
Physical Finally failed a lift. I could not do set 5 of OHP @80LBS. drop to 75 and did the last two reps. Still tracking my calories and I can really tell that I was starving my growth potential. I'm still feeling stuffed all the time but paint through it. I have not noticed any real fast gain yet. So I might have to add more calories in. My mood is better with the extra calories too.
Career/Finances
Career is going great and budget is holding steady but I slacked on updating the budget. I usually keep a log on the fridge of our problem categories. That was the real turning point in our budgeting when we saw it staring at us every time we opened the fridge.
Marriage:
Shit show this week! Completely DEER'd two whole days this week. I felt terrible internally for doing it. But I realized I was being a total ass for three days straight before that. No wonder she but of the handle with her shit tests I deserved them and couldn't handle it. I was a little bitch boy.
Looking back at it, I had a couple of beers each time this happened. I have to nix the alcohol completely for now. I still haven't internalized everything so if I impair my brain at all I revert to little bitch boy. Does anyone else have a problem when they have a few drinks?
Didn't initiate the days I was being a little bitch but after I got over myself I step up my game and went three for three and she initiated once in to of that. I got decent sex when I initiate but got some crazy kinky sex when she initiated. Which was shocking cause the little one has been getting up in the middle of the night lately with bad dreams which had been her excuse of being quite. So we don't wake up the little one. When she wants it nothing get in the way.
Leadership:
After I got over my bitch boy days I really focused on tasking her with little things that I usually do and things she always does anyways just to see if she would bock at it or if she found gladly follow. I think that she actually likes it. It takes a big load off my shoulders. I know what needs to get done and have always tried doing it all myself but failed cause I was running in seven differrnt directions. I felt a deep calm after I resuffled and cleared my plate for more long term planning.
Goals from last week:
-Track all my food and eat at least 3200 Kcals COMPETED
-Make room in the schedule for the next hike with the group. COMPLETED
-Read up on Day game and try it out on two random woman. COMPLETED ( One of the times I had my kid with me. I started chatting up a HB7 red head in Target. I used negging and lite kino. Then she takes my phone from the little ones hands. Only to find my wife's contact info in my favorites. She looks at me, looks at my ring and says "I never do this but" proceeds to put her number in. That's when I went home and stopped my DEERing.
Goals this week:
-No DEERing
-find a new specialist and get more of my medical crap under control.
-Find the hottest girl I can and crash and burn on some day game. I think I need a good reality check. Got a little too cocky last week.
Goals for the next month:
-Going slow and steady
-Eating like a house and making big gains(Something I really want right now) Getting there
-Talk to one random woman a day( Get comfortable being uncomfortable in this arena) Started on low SMV and have had fun with it.
-Get 1 new friend( no real friends in the area- just guys at work not real friends. Not sure I will have real friends like I had in the military but I have to at least try.)Harder than I thought. I really need to chat up guys as well. Sounds weird to write and reread but how else am I going to make friends.
donmcde 7y ago
OYS #10
29, 5’7, 150lb, no kids, married 1 year, together 2
LIFTS:
Bench: 190x10 Deadlift: 225x6 Squat: 195x5 OHP: 115
MISSION
• Be a good leader in life to the benefit of myself, my family, colleagues, subordinates and superiors.
• Achieve financial independence.
• Be mentally, physically, socially, emotionally, and spiritually fit.
• Bring value to my relationships
READING
NMMNG, WISNIFG, Models, MMSLP, Book of Pook, Rational Male, SGM, MAP, WOTSM (40% done), Extreme Ownership (30% done)
I’m finishing both books by next OYS. I’ve been seriously slacking with reading.
MENTAL
This is the first time I'm adding a mental section because since I've stopped lifting, I feel like I have all this extra mental bandwith. When I get home from work, I don't feel tired (because I don't have a lifting session to recover from). I look at my phone for all of 2 minutes because I've uninstalled all social media and get bored of reddit after \~5 minutes unless there is a post on MRP or askMRP. I just feel bored. All my goals are long term and taking on extra things would probably just delay achieving them.
I want to get into real estate investing, but want to make sure I'm in a good financial position before buying the first property. I want to lift, but there is a test I want to make sure I'm ready for. I want to pay off a CC just to see some progress but the paycheck doesn't come in for another week. Even though I know the prudent thing to do is wait, not lifting has me bursting with energy that I can't funnel into liftin gfor another two weeks. I know it'll be gone in two weeks so tackling another hobby/project I can't finish is just not the play.
CAREER & FINANCE
Wife started classes for her career change last week. She’s a teacher and school year is over tomorrow. She’s been double dipping and going to classes right after work until 10. She’s putting the time in, spent four hours on both Saturday & Sunday studying. I helped her a little bit by checking her Physics homework (engi). She applied and got approved for an online tutoring in so we’ll have a little extra money coming in during the summer. This will help us start out real estate investing faster than planned.
I tested out my side hustle. I’m able to clear \~$100/hr on the weekends. The plan is to do at least enough to max out both her IRA and mine every year.
I used up a good chunk of my credit card rewards to pay debt off. At the end of the month, I’ll only have $1200 of CC debt left and it’s at 0% interest until March 2020. The rest of the debt has interest low enough that I’ll take them to the end of the loan terms.
RELATIONSHIP & SEX:
I think I like my wife. I’ve been staying up until she gets home to spend time with her before going to sleep. Sex during weekdays has gone down because I’m dog tired by the time she gets home. Not lifting also seems to have decreased by libido as well.
PHYSICAL:
I’m not lifting at all at this point. All that matters is getting a 90 on the PT test in two weeks. I know I can max out the pushup and sit-up portions already. The run is the only thing that’s up in the air. It’s getting hot as balls outside (high of 94 today) and hope I can do well enough to get the score I want. The heat makes me a much slower runner. I’m also losing a little bit of weight because that too effects run speed. Gains are nice, but they’re not a job requirement, this test is.
I’m really excited to get back to lifting though. I even have a couple of new pieces of equipment for the ol’ garage gym that I’m dying to use.
SOCIAL:
My computer is down in my office. This has forced me to commandeer the computer of someone that’s currently on vacation. I’m sitting among my troops and that alone is making me be more social than sitting in my office.
GOING FORWARD:
• Continue for the incoming PT test
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edit: added mental section
Rogue68486 7y ago
OYS Week 13- Beginning to see daylight
Stats - 47 years old. 6'3" 201 lbs (gaining weight per a lot of feedback from 180 lbs maybe 2 months ago). 20% bf. Wife 47, married 9 years with 3 kids 8, 7 and 5.
Physical / Health - Deadlift 225. Bench 170. Squat 160. OP 120. Row (4 sets 100). Working with a trainer.
Books - I have been reading and listening to audio books especially when traveling back and forth between 2 cities. It's mind opening. I felt very incompetent (consciously incompetent) the past 2 weeks although I'm cutting myself some slack and just staying the course.
MMSLP – SMV. MAP. Captain and Officer.
WISNIFG – Life being assertive versus not.
Ration Male – Plate theory. Women’s core desire.
The Unchained Man - Live your mission. The Game, Mystery Method, Venusian Arts Handbook - Attraction, Comfort and Seduction.
48 Laws of Power - just started.
MAP - just bought.
Mission - I will apply my skills to improve organizational outcomes. I will always have enough money to maintain security for myself and kids.
Career - I just took a job in another city 7 hours away from wife and kids who will join me end of June. I am cautious and tend to overthink the politics based on prior bad experiences. I'm a bit paranoid to be honest which I'll work on through CBT exercises, lifting and yoga.
Finances - Paying down debt and will be glad when we're all living in one place.
Relationship - My relationship is improving. STFU, minimizing texting, AA and not being as needy - things feel better between us. We are not fighting as much and she follows my lead on some things.
Last week she initiated sex for the first time in almost a year. It was starfish with some engagement - which for me is a major shift. I followed NMMNG and focused on my gratification. She is beginning to workout again perhaps because I am.
This article hit me hard (https://therationalmale.com/2013/12/03/saving-the-best/) as she was very sexual in prior relationships with men and women. Based on all the books, it seems like women don't do as crazy things with men that are beta providers - although will enter and stay in a relationship with them. It's their nature. They will go and want to go further with an alpha. We met as she was hitting the wall so I've always wondered if the relationship was about kids and being a provider. She stopped BJ's after our first kid - quotes some movie "who wants a dick in their mouth?" - which she did quite a bit in year one. I am hoping my continued progress may someday result in experiencing some of that again - or things we've not done that she's done before.
I canceled our therapy appointment because they became things I weren't doing or how she wanted us to be friends again. I think this is misguided. She wants me to be a man. I am focusing on taking care of business (movers, finances, etc.) which I've just allowed her to have to pick it up in the past. She is having some kind of complications (swelling around her face, lymph nodes and itchyness) that we can't determine what it is. Perhaps from her gyn surgery in January. She's been to 13 doctors appointments in the past 3 months. I think it's time to ask for help from some of my physician friends.
OI/Validation - I have validation pulling at me to the point of paranoia at work. It's old childhood shit that I need to get under control. May go back to my own therapist (in other city) as I'm anxious at work and I think it is noticeable.
[deleted] 7y ago
OYS Week 32
Stats:
Age: 35; Heights: 74 in; Weight: 201; BF: 16% (navy method); Wife: 38, (together 17, married 13); Children: 2 kids – 5 and 10
Readings: WISNIFG, NMMNG (x2), Rational Male, Book of Pook, MMSLP (x2), MAP, Meditations, Way of the Superior Man, Sex God Method, How to Win Friends and Influence People, Models, Ironwood Alpha Moves, Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck, Bang, Day Bang, Saving a Low Sex Marriage, Re-read Saving a Low Sex Marriage
Current Reading: Re-read sections of MMSLP, and WISNIFG. Focus on re-read of SGM this week.
Physical / Health
Lifts Estimated 1RM (easier for me to track): BR: 198, BP: 192, DL: 315, OP:124, SQ: 250
Kept pushing the weights and mentally challenged myself instead of thinking I would fail. Lifts all kept going up except BP.
I need to look into supplements to help with fat loss and muscle building. I’m at a point where fat loss is very slow but I do not want to drop calories more as that impacts lifts and energy. Any thoughts here on how to jump start dropping these 5-6 lbs of fat I want to burn?
Cals and macros: 2400 target, 40% protein, 30% fat, 30% carbs
Career / Finance
Nothing new this week. Continue leading projects.
Relationship
Last week I was frustrated not seeing progress… a mental barrier/model/whatever you want to call it broke and I stopped caring. I looked in the mirror and saw a guy who is starting to look good, who is confident in himself, who is fun and friendly, and is going to have an enjoyable life.
Anniversary was Tuesday, wife was sick, took care of her, carried her to bed, tucked her in early. Wednesday she was better, I was being playful – sent her a text to come to bed and put on something sexy. “You can’t order me around, you can’t tell me what to do”. That started shit test after shit test for 3.5 days. I do not think this was a main event; just prolonged shit tests. I gave few fucks (not zero, but very few). I felt… entertainment? It was funny to me. AA, fogging, negative inquiry, ignoring, etc. were all vital, but came naturally.
This deescalated quickly. I guess her hamster was tired. We were laying on the couch, I started some light petting under a blanket (kids were in the room). She was dripping wet and I could feel it through her pants. We fucked so much Saturday night. Multiple positions, her on top, passionate kissing, some very minor anal play by me – rubbing around her asshole (never have done this). Slapped her, pulled her hair, flipped her around, held her down. It was incredible… the best sex of… I think ever. Holy fuck, my wife likes to be dominated in bed… I have no idea how many times she came, but our bed had a large wet spot from her pussy juices. She was still uncomfortable with some things (e.g. oral), but I just moved on to something else. Need to keep pushing the boundaries, it will benefit both of us. We then had an almost as good repeat Sunday night. And then again last night.
A good shift in myself through all this. I’ve stopped thinking about what she wants and am focused on what I want. I know there are improvements to make – there always will be – but I deserve a good enjoyable life - with her, without her, whatever. I do hope she comes along for the ride, but it’s not a requirement – I will get what I want in this life (I am just now realizing what that is). Whatever clicked in my brain has created a whole new way of seeing my life. I can’t fully explain it in words… it’s a liberating feeling though.
Random Thoughts
My blue pill friend went through a shit week with his marriage. Such polar opposites in approach. I am mostly relieved that THIS ISN’T ME ANYMORE, but it is sad and depressing to hear him talk about his wife. He apologized to her, asked her what he could do differently, bought her flowers, made dinner, did things for her, promised to change and try more. His wife isn’t happy with her life, feels he’s not giving her what she needs (emotionally I guess?), she doesn’t want to make all the decisions. I ran down the events from my week. He looked horrified at some of my comments to my wife and said I had to have some balls on me. I didn’t see it as having balls, just having fun. He’s so worried about what he can do differently, doesn’t want her to leave him, and this is just pushing him to a divorce. So sad once you start seeing the code in the Matrix.
Goals for this week
Re-read sections of Sex God Method
Maintain frame and not grow complacent
Look into supplements to help with nutrition/lifting/fat burning
5.Buy wife flows and rub herfeet Fuck dominantly and try 1 new thing in bed.Sepean 7y ago
Sounds good dude, keep on going she'll throw a main event soon and then stuff gets smooth
mundocorde 7y ago
Holy cow, man! You're my hero. Good job!
red-sfpplus 7y ago
I am glad you think this is funny.
Its not.
Throwing around words like divorce, move out, tracking whereabouts, bank accounts.
This is all big shit.
3 possibilities.
She is cheating and working on branch swing.
She is not cheating yet and looking for a man to swing to.
You are an autistic Rambo whom is doing to much, to quick and providing the wrong type of dread.
I am personally guilty of #3 but my relationship was so toast by that point, it was more about gaining reps than anything.
Sepean 7y ago
Nah, he is getting the exact same song and dance every guy here got. He's right on track.
hack3ge 7y ago
I’m interested in why you think this? This all seems like normal hamster bullshit to me and a woman realizing she needs to step up because she is losing all the power in the relationship.
My wife has done all this stupid shit on more than one occasion.
I could have a huge blind spot and maybe she is looking to swing but who gives a fuck really. You also have to remember in your case you actually were fucking other women so there’s that.
[deleted] 7y ago
I know I had issue with #3 in the past. Too overt with dread.
She's not cheating She may be considering branch swinging... who knows, that would be a stupid thing for her to do given the laws in this state
Her reaction here was nothing new... nothing new in 14 years of marriage... same playbook.
From the time we were married her reaction to getting angry (she fully admits she goes over the top angry) is to say she wants a divorce, stop wearing her ring, and sleep in another room. The tracking is definitely concerning if this continues, but why would I not find her reactions to these things funny now when I know how she's going to react? When it has lost all power over me? At the end of the day, she threw out everything in her playbook and I didn't budge or get mean or react other than to have fun with it.
I'm not going to up dread any further for now.
Sure if it comes to divorce I'll be divorced raped... 2 kids, SAHM with no skills, long marriage, Making 200+k a year. I've run the math, talked to lawyers before. I'd be looking at around 70k per year gone to her. I can live with that, a lot of my comp is bonus and stock now which she wouldn't get after ~3 years.
BostonBrakeJob 7y ago
What's funny about having a grown ass woman going to her playbook instead of, ya know, actively enjoying her time with you?
[deleted] 7y ago
It's her choice to enjoy time with me. I was having fun, wasn't an ass. She chose to be bitchy. Nothing I can do about that. She got pulled into the fun - just took a few days.
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Of course I rather she is enjoying time with me. If she's not, she's free to exit the relationship.
FereallyRed 7y ago
That's the keystone.
True outcome independence.
wildnight98 7y ago
Dude, awesome post. Loved your bullet points. Keep your foot on the gas.
[deleted] 7y ago
Thanks... glad you like the bullet points. Was trying to format this in a logical way!.
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ImNotSlash 7y ago
lazy
[deleted] 7y ago
Thanks... there's a lot of information out there and hard to make sense of it all. I'll look into the items you listed here. Cycling calories + IF sounds like a good approach combined with some of the supplements or ECA.
Reach180 7y ago
You'll be down to 13.5% or better by 4th of July. If you like it and want to do it long term, you'll eventually want to bump up your lifting day cals. After you get used to it, you can probably go back to pushing your weights up again.
Been doing this since mid march. Went from 'pretty good' to shredded. Aside from being an asshole on fasting days early on, it's pretty easy. Nothing like a good fast to wipe out your tolerance for bullshit.
[deleted] 7y ago
Thanks! This is easily doable.
rocknrollchuck 7y ago
Great post! 10/10 would read again.
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Amazing how it's like a switch flips somehow and all of a sudden you just "get it" after so many months of trying and wondering why it isn't working.
[deleted] 7y ago
I think, for me, it was two things that led to the switch.
1) Finally accepting my wife was AWALT and not special. I deep down believed my wife was not like that, She was a unicorn.
2) Realizing that I'm going to be 36 next week... I have a lot of life to live. You better fucking believe I'm going to enjoy it. And what my life is NOW is not what I want it to be for the next 40-50 years. So fuck it, if the marriage falls down that's my wife's problem... she'll miss out.
ImNotSlash 7y ago
I love when my wife pulls this shit. "Good, now I know never to try and fuck [so-and-so]."
No. I used to have a bad temper so doing this really helps me keep my cool. Amuse yourself.
[deleted] 7y ago
My response was "wow, it must suck to be your friends".
man_in_the_world 7y ago
"I command you to have fun!"
[deleted] 7y ago
Will keep this in mind for the future. Well I was having fun... she chose not to.
HornsOfApathy 7y ago
Great progress this week, man. I know it was hard and difficult to stay the oak during all those tests, but you did it. You fucking did it, man. YOU and only YOU are the one who flipped that shit around.
Your friend could learn a thing or two from you. Perhaps give him a copy of NMMNG?
Enjoy the great sex. You've worked your ass off and this is the secondary reward. This first being your new found frame.
[deleted] 7y ago
Thanks for keeping me sane when I started to question wtf was going on.
What's funny is she's STILL qualifying herself and drops it into conversations randomly. "So and so thought I was in my 20's", "People are shocked that I have three kids". Since her finger is fucked up from breaking it a few months ago, my favorite response "Yeah you look good, except for your freaky old woman witch finger, that thing's creepy".
I recommended NMMNG - don't think he ever bit on it.
Dude the sex is great, but damn it is eating into my sleep. She initiated last two nights (again in her subtle way). Last night was after I get back from pissing at 2AM. Poor girl was soaking through her pajama pants.
HornsOfApathy 7y ago
This is a great thing!
Expect more of this as you increase your SMV and the gap grows larger simply due to her being a post-wall woman and you a man in his prime for at least the next 15+ years. If that continues (as it has been) I don't think it'd be out of the question for you to experience sex on demand.
Remember how strong it was to swallow the red pill. I'd estimate 80% of men in my opinion simply aren't cut out for it.
Enjoy a few days of no sleep. You could probably use a few extra ab workouts.
If your wife initiates similarly to how mine does, it's usually something like a hand on your hip, an arm around you, rubbing your leg, or other subtle shit. I've come to recognize them better over time and understand it's highly likely her way of initiating is never going to be more aggressive. That's perfectly fine with me.
InChargeMan 7y ago
I didn't read this with a fine-tooth comb, but this all looks really good. You have realized that you have one life to live, limited time, and you are not going to waste it being a shitty version of yourself or putting up with shitty people around you.
I like that you own being a sexual person. This is key. You need to figure out what makes you tick and what makes you happy and pursue those things unapologetically. "Yes, I guess I am addicted to sex. I know I can't go too long with out it. I'm also addicted to food I think, and water too. Do you think they have a water's anonymous group?"
It looks like she is grasping at straws, trying to make sense of it all. Don't take your foot off the gas, but maybe give her some time to settle out, eventually what's new becomes old, then you bring in more new. Sometimes it is a 2 steps forward 1 step back kind of thing. Sometimes it also reminds me of the eye of a hurricane. Right when you think all hell is breaking loose the hamster finds the end of the maze, gets the cheese, and you find yourself in a place you didn't imagine just a short number of months prior.
The key is, it isn't about her, it is about you.
[deleted] 7y ago
This type of response from her always started after removing a small amount of time and attention. But I never had the frame to see it through. I call it the "kitchen sink" - she's throwing out every trick in her playbook to try and get me to feel bed, apologize, suck up to her, whatever it may be. Some of them were new this time, but I could see the programming. I know it's a topic of debate, but I truly don't think she knows herself wtf is going on in her head.
This was exactly what I saw. I was in the thick of the storm, then all of a sudden it cleared.
InChargeMan 7y ago
One weekend of sex isn't cleared.
[deleted] 7y ago
I was referring to her mood Saturday... bitchy, then not. I'm under no illusion there will be more of this. Looking forward to it.
JCX_Pulse 7y ago
RE: fat burning -
Your comments about weight loss slowing means your body has hit its equilibrium, its time to change things up as your metabolism has slowed to match your calories.
At this point I’d say do the opposite: reverse diet and slowly increase your caloric intake by 100 cals or so a week until your +500.
Your body will see it’s no longer in starvation mode and after 6 weeks of your surplus, starting cutting calories slowly again.
What you don’t want to do is rely on fad diets to get results, use your body against itself. Build more muscle and reduce cardio to just walking. Slow your rest periods between sets.
These suggestions are based on numerous scientific understandings of the body and it’s adaptations, don’t take my word for it, look it up. Getting your body to lose fat is counter to what it wants to do and the more fat you lose the harder it is to maintain. Study up on metabolism, reverse dieting, and metabolic adaptation.
[deleted] 7y ago
This could be... I've been so hungry all the time lately.
Doing Muay Thai 2x a week definitely ramps up the hunger. but this is what's so difficult on the fat loss - there's conflicting info on cut more calories + do more cardio to your body is starving + reduce cardio. What I do know is what I'm currently doing is slowly working, changing body comp but I would like to kick start it for the summer.
I'm thinking do a dedicated cut for 4-6 weeks then go back to eating normally.
johneyapocalypse 7y ago
Do what reach recommends above, it works.
It's easy to lose fat and get shredded - if you cut all calories while focusing on protein (e.g. protein first, veggies second) and go down to 1,000 - 1,250 calories a day on days off - you'll do two things: (1) kick your hunger's ass (the key) and (2) magically melt off fat.
Go low-carb per reach, too, it just works though you might get tired of meat and all things related to meat.
You can read more in a write-up rpeed did for the 6 weeks of something-or-other about a month ago. It was a strong write-up.
Intermittent fasting + focusing on protein + working out fasted + BCAA's (though getting some bad press) = hormone control, hunger control, and really easy weight loss, along with muscle maintenance and even muscle gains (more below). If you work like a fiend during the day and pound coffee it's even easier. If fasting + pounding coffee = stomach pain then use ginger, preferably raw, and secondarily powdered, which you can get organic and cheap on amazon.
If you really want to get ripped - ala veins in your lower abs (yup, got 'em) - and even put on the pounds will going sub 12% - do test. It's glorious.
hack3ge 7y ago
i wouldn’t recommend 1200 calories a day for too long - will kill your strength and cause you to lose muscle. I did it for like 10 weeks and got to about 8% but lost a ton of muscle.
I second the test though - I was in a bulk at 2700/2200 and started trt and somehow am now on a recomposes/cut at those calories. I’m gaining muscle and losing fat - not sure how but it’s fucking glorious.
johneyapocalypse 7y ago
Agreed - he won't want to go too long but dude's looking to shred and he'll do it like that. I'm with you on the test, you were right in your prior comments to me. I'm also gaining muscle and fat is disintegrating into another galaxy or something.
hack3ge 7y ago
Yeah I find it comical to be honest - I spent 6 years spinning my wheels lifting and busting my ass with barely any progress and in 6 weeks pretty much surpassed all my PRs and my body is literally recomping itself. I'm going to try and ride the recomp to where I'm 10%BF at 180lbs but I suspect somewhere around the 3-6 month mark the recomp will slow.
Have you done your first set of bloodwork? I got mine back and at trough my TT is 1100 and FT is 26.3 on only 100mg a week - my E2 is slightly elevated at 41 but not sure how much of a big deal that is yet as I haven't had any sides. I may have to drop it a little as I'm probably way over at peak.
[deleted] 7y ago
My (maybe irrational) concern with test is prostate cancer runs in the family and there seems to be some linkage to increase chance there.
I don't want to lose a ton of strength but at this point, I need to get the BF down and then rebuild the strength. I've been fucking around too long and just need to bite the bullet and go for 6-8 weeks and see what I can get down to.
I'm not looking to get to 8% but damn I'd like to get down to \~13%.
hack3ge 7y ago
I can see the concern - you should read some of the research about it as I think most of the increased prostate risk has been debunked. There was a study done on TRT use in men with prostate cancer and it seemed to have little effect if I recall.
Yeah I wouldn't push past 6-8 weeks at that low of a deficit - one thing I may try this time around is 8 weeks losing 1 lb/week then moving back to maintenance for 2-3 weeks and then another 8 week cut. Granted I have a big advantage now with my test being through the rough and improved insulin resistance.
dwebsterlight 7y ago
OYS #4
Lifting: a couple new 5 rep PR’s via madcow for the past month. Doing 165 on OHP, 240 bench, weighted pull-ups with 35 lb weight for a really slow 5x8, and good accessory work. Was never a pull-up/machine or cable pull-down guy in any of my previous phases of lifting. I’m not the biggest I’ve ever been but my back work overall is relatively better than its ever been.
Home: doing a lot of maintenance and new projects. Have a lot of travel planned this summer so want to spend this Memorial Day tying up stuff. Doesn’t seem like the most fun thing to plan for the wife versus some trip but I’m workingon some things to sprinkle in as mid-day and evening entertainment.
Game/Frame: staying in my mindset much better lately. Trying to game and kino when it feels right but am starting to just do my own stuff more over the past week or two as the roommate who I have a ring isn’t really being receptive to being the kind of wife I want/she sort of was. She decided to spend this past weekend at her parents’ place a couple hours away while I worked on the house, went out with friends, and had a good time.
I notice occasional improvement in her attitude, she wants to cuddle occasionally versus turning away or cuddling with the dog. I used to be angry that I wouldn’t get any sort of affection at bed time via cuddles let alone sex. No but hurt at all now and find it increasingly gross that she wants to cuddle the smelly dog. I trained her (who grew up sleeping with the family dogs) and our first dog that it wasn’t okay to share a bed. We got the second dog a couple years ago and it has separation anxiety from her. Been training the dog to break it but she eats up the attention from him. Weird. And getting him to not sleep in the bed is going to be a slow boundary I need to set given how neurotic the dog is (shelter dog).
I haven’t let any covert contracts or shit tests slip through, maybe mishandled a comfort test here or there but I think it was honestly just her trying to spin words to pick a fight versus a true comfort test. I admit to dropping some comments though with double meanings given the level of lack of commitment from her to the relationship that I have been working on... she has been asking what I think she should do given she is uncertain of whether she likes her current career. No strong opinion from here but she hasn’t responded well in the past to my given leadership in this area so I generally fog. “What do you think you should do?”
Her: I don’t know.
Me: you should really decide whether you are passionate about what you are doing. No one likes every part of their job but if you like it, then work through the shortcomings and put your heart into it. If it isn’t for you, then let’s find something better for you to do.
Her: I never do anything half heartedly! (BS)
Me: well, if you are on the fence about progressing in this job then maybe it isn’t for you. Let’s look for something else this weekend.
Her: (angry) well, I don’t know what I want and storms off
I don’t really know whether she is upset by my fogging interpretations, if she is catching double meanings and feeling dread about my more consistent frame of NGAF, if I’m being a faggot for playing the game like this, or otherwise but at least I’m getting some reaction besides the coldness and ignore combo hits I’ve gotten for months. Good or bad, I like it better.
A couple new women have been giving feelz at work. Don’t shit where I eat but nice to have women a point or two hotter than your wife, and more put together, going out of their way to show interest on the regular. Just helps keep the game active even though nothing is really working at home. Pushing seven months with no sex (probably 5 since I started choking down the pill even though I started sidebarring before then), once in the last 10 months total because I pleaded for it enough back then. Makes me sick now thinking about it, but probably not as sick as when I think about how long this spell has been. No kids... why the fuck am I trying to grind through this again?
Hobbies since last posting: New cocktail recipe I’m digging - sake, bitter lemonade, activated charcoal, and agave if you like it sweet Wood projects with red cedar, yellow locust from a stump that I cut down, and color stained shou sugi ban reclaimed wood, all layered in an epoxy finish Welding up a structural metal component for the home Making some cash from these side hobbies but honestly so the projects because I like the tactile work and the design elements of it
Work: caught back up since earlier posts. Going to break 200k again this year in my profession gig. Joined a new committee with a local trade group and been more involved with my non-profit work
laboringtheseus 7y ago
OYS - 01
Stats
The Story So Far
Career Beta. Worked my ass off to get other people ahead. This didn't materialise in the dream life I imagined, so I became a cynical, bitter, complaining bitch.
Heavy drinker from my mid teens to late twenties. Alcohol makes me aggressive and daring, and therefore helped me hide the fact that was a scared, low-T faggot. All the openers I did with women I managed to fuck were done at least somewhat drunk.
Hardcore stoner in my early twenties. Weed helped me get out of my own head, and get lost in music or movies. I used it to stop the hamster wheel in my head, and to calm my anxiety over things I should have done, but didn't.
About 7 years ago I started my long journey of getting my shit together. Did the usual blue pill stuff, which partly worked, and partly didn't. Found TRP a year ago, but it didn't really click until I found the MRP.
Mission
Still in progress, but one of my weaknesses is that I really like helping people. Beyond the obvious warnings signs of this potentially being a Career Beta tendency, I really seem to enjoy seeing people succeed after having them given advice.
The challenge is how to help people while avoid getting exploited, or creating covert contracts.
Financial Life
Current Situation
Finances are extremely tight due to having financed a new house, while renting a place to live in during construction. Nearly all bills for completed work have been paid.
The J-O-B is going fine, however the company I work for keeps going down the PC route more and more. Need to plan for the inevitable exit when I say something that doesn't fit the leftie narrative. I don't plan on this being anytime soon, but I need to prepared if and when it happens.
Started work on an online course I want to sell, but did not get beyond the introduction.
This Week
Woman Life
Current Situation
The girlfriend is generally a bit less bitchy than in the weeks before. We fucked again after a long two month break.
As we are finally somewhat settled in the new home, this should leave us more space to actually be a couple, rather than two work colleagues cohabiting and taking care of a child.
This Week
Family Life
Current Situation
After having moved, I'm having less contact with my family. Due to all the tasks related to the move, fun time with the lady and the kid has been rare.
This Week
Physical Life
Current Situation
A solid week of training after the 6 week layoff due to moving houses. Moved from a two day split to a three day split. This should give my joints and tendons more time to recover between sessions.
Also implemented cardio, which is entirely new to me. I use a jump rope, as it's cheap and convenient. Did two short sessions that were already pretty hard, but plan on upping this to three 30-minute sessions over the medium term.
Diet leaves a lot to be improved. Still got lingering pain in my elbows and shoulders that needs addressing.
This Week
Social Life
Current Situation
Social life has suffered before and after the house move. Since the most urgent work is now done, it's time to make it a priority again.
I now live two streets away from a buddy of mine. We ran into each other the other day, which resulted in spontaneous beer drinking and shit talking. It reminded me how much I need these interactions to be happy.
This Week
Research and organise a social gathering with my friends. A bunch of them watch football, but they do so in a rather loner way, at home. I do not think that spending a Wednesday night in front of the TV drinking a six pack will get me closer to my goals, even with a buddy.
The challenge is to find something interesting to do, that does not just revolve around the drinking, or sitting in front of a TV.
Recreational Life
Current Situation
Relied on junk TV and websites to escape the relax after busy days. I need to stop wasting the small bit of precious downtime I have to actually recover, and not drain even more of my energy.
This Week
Spiritual Life
Current Situation
Bought an introductory book to stoicism, but didn't prioritise reading it. I also didn't keep up my daily habit of journaling, which is something I'm trying out.
Overall I want to implement things that keep me from being a passive-aggressive, cynical bitch that can't handle his emotions.
This Week
sash_northpointe 7y ago
OYS #3
Stats:
Lifting:
Lifting has been going well. I'm getting in 3x a week and adding in some running and other accessory lifts on those days. I'm still building up weights after a back injury a year ago kept me out of the gym for about 9 months.
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Background: Born and raised in the US, moved overseas to play rugby, met my wife and currently live overseas. In the past, when I was single, I was very extrovert, alpha, and never had any problems with girls. However, whenever I had a girlfriend, I became the opposite, a total beta. I've been doing the sidebar reading the last couple of months and have just recently starting to put the reading into motion.
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Family
Children: 5 y/o twin girls, 3 y/o son
Two years ago, one of my twin daughters was diagnosed with a brain tumour. This was definitely the most stressful time of my life, and although she finished treatment a year ago and is doing great, I have developed anxiety and also think I've turned into a hypochondriac. She goes in for her every 6 months MRI at the beginning of June, but have no reason to think anything would be other than positive.
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Reading
Finished: MMSLP, WISNIFG, NMMNG, Rational Male Vol 1 & 2, Models, The Unchained Man - Alpha 2.0
Currently Reading: The Blue Pill Professor's Saving a Low Sex Marriage and listening to the audiobook of NMMNG for the 2nd time.
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Physical
My diet has been good this week, but still much room for improvement.
The basketball league I play in started and games start in a few weeks, so that is a couple of nights a week out of the house away from the wife.
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Career
Work is going well. I've put a plan in place to start a new opportunity with my side business that will bring in some extra income if everything goes to plan.
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Financial
Finances are ok. I've started to set up a budget that will be followed and kept. My wife (former accountant before kids) took care of bills, etc which I will do now.
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Marriage/Relationship
Dread Level 1-2
Still been a month of no sex. Two weeks in a row, last Monday and this past Monday, I initiated and she accepted, only for her to cum too quick and then be done. When this happens, she's too sensitive she says for sex. Last night, she told me to 'put it in' after she came, but it was too late and told her that I wasn't going to have bad sex. She apologised and gave me a blowjob. Then I gave her the kiss on the forehead and rolled over to go to sleep. In the morning she apologised again.
This past weekend was her best friend's wedding that my wife's ex (one she cheated with 9 yrs ago) was also going to be at MC'ing. It had been causing me a lot of anxiety but happy to say that I took the advice from here and played it cool, and acted like I didn't give a fuck, was social with everyone I knew there, and it wasn't too bad of a time despite like being at a high school reunion where you didn't go to the high school.
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Personal
I've planned a guys weekend trip for the end of June. I haven't been on one for years, so should be good.
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Goals
Reading - Finish Saving Low Sex Marriage and keeping putting into play.
Lift - squat 100kg by end of June
Lift - bench 110kg by the end of June
Lift - Deadlift 140kg by the end of June
Work on making more male friends, spending time with guys from work socially.
Increase my side business profits by $500/week.
Work on building the connection with my wife and getting sex to 1x a week to start.
Initiate every night, don't get butthurt when turned down for sex. Or pouty/butthurt in general when things don't go the way I want.
SBIII 7y ago
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You posted a thread on making a connection with your wife and you got all the advice you needed but you're still rabbiting on about it. When are you going to start listening? If you're not going to take heed, then you're wasting your own time and everyone else's.
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The only connection you should be building with your wife is connecting your cock to her pussy.
sash_northpointe 7y ago
You’re correct. The goal is putting that advice to work.
hystericalbonding 7y ago
You're taking the opposite path from /u/johneyapocalypse. Read his recent post. Read about stoicism. Does your post sound like the family alpha? Elevating yourself and everyone around you? Your anxiety isn't helping you, your child, or your wife.
"My wife had an orgasm so I didn't finish. I didn't want the BJ later, I wanted to have an orgasm before!"
Jesus, dude. Get BJs. Have more sex. Stop caring who has an orgasm and who doesn't.
Are you numbing yourself with meds, drugs, alcohol, or porn?
sash_northpointe 7y ago
Thanks for pointing me in his direction. I will read it. I have the book, “Meditations” by Marcus Aurelius and will be reading it next on my list.
No meds, occasional weed, very little alcohol, occasional porn with my wife.
hystericalbonding 7y ago
Good plan.
I'm not blind to the horrific stress of what happened to your child, or the self-discipline that it will take to overcome your understandable but counterproductive impulses. This is the burden of performance. Read, lift, and decide to be happy.
sash_northpointe 7y ago
Thanks man
[deleted] 7y ago
Glad she's doing well. My son died of a brain tumor three years ago. I get the hypochondriac thing - I was worried when my youngest was the same age my son was when he got it that she was going to get it. Completely irrational - the cancer he had was extremely rare, not genetic, not environmental, just random shit luck. Anyhow, you need to override your emotional mind with the rational one here. Here's what is going to suck - what's the worst case scenario here? The tumor comes back and she dies? That will suck, it really will, it'll be terrible. But if you can come to accepting what the worst case is and that you WILL survive it, then you can face anything else. I find this catastrophic visualization has really helped me. But you have to be strong enough to really embrace it.
Nope - need a different goal. Connection means nothing. And do NOT have a goal of sex a certain amount of time. You can't control that, you can control you.
I would recommend here that you only initiate when both of these are true:
1) You actually want sex. You shouldn't be initiating if you don't want sex just to try and hit some magic number
2) You can honestly say that you will not be butt hurt if she rejects you.
sash_northpointe 7y ago
I’m very sorry to hear about your son. Thanks for sharing your story to help me with mine. It’s much appreciated.
I’m the same way with both her and the other kids. Always watching for signs and symptoms that the tumour brought when it’s been explained that it was just bad shit luck, and nothing to worry about with the other kids. I need to cut that shit out.
As far as the connection goal, I’ll be changing it up next week to other goals that build this and attractiveness.
As I learned about myself in NMMNG, I definitely use sex as validation, and always have, even in my single days when it was a number game to me. Fuck, I’ve got some work to do.
Thanks for your valuable input.
[deleted] 7y ago
Instead of worrying about the other kids, try to enjoy life with them - treat every day as a gift. When you worry about the future or dwell on the past you'll miss out on the present. The more you live life in the present the better it is for you. Meditation can help too.
sash_northpointe 7y ago
Thanks man, I will definitely do this.
tap0988534 7y ago
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I feel like I'M going to have issues after reading this. The awkwardness, pressure, discomfort, and resentment ooze out of the text. My guess is that the low frequency may be related to the insecurity she is feeling. Sex needs to be comfortable and fun, nonjudgemental, and without resentment or pressure. "Too Late" is something girls say when they're pissed and being unreasonable. For men, nothing is too late. Girls don't have a refractory period. If my wife was ever that sensitive, I might have her working on O number 5 before I even let her have the D. This exchange seems so uptight, that it makes me uncomfortable. If I made my wife so insecure about sex that she felt like she had to apologize multiple times, she'd cry herself to sleep and join a convent.
Also, when you say bad, do you mean that after she comes she goes dead inside and goes full starfish? Or do you feel like after her initial need is met, you are overwhelmed with the feeling that she's not into you? Does she crap all over you with comments like "you feel so soft and small, can you it hurry up?" Is your own validation tied to whether she comes PIV? Did you nope out because of some sort of massive anxiety or because she did or said something to make you feel emasculated or rapey?
True alphas don't care if she comes. They are diving in and enjoying her body for themselves. Making her come is a beta quality. (A good beta quality if you want her stick around, but still beta) Girls don't need an O to get what they need out of sex. For many it is enough to feed off of the raw masculine energy of your desire and control. Throwing in Os is good LTR behavior, but focusing on your own desire is better for raw attraction (aka "connection").
sash_northpointe 7y ago
Sorry, I probably didn’t explain enough in the post. When she cums, she is finished. She’s too sensitive to touch or anything else. So the “put it in” makes it feel like pity sex and she then just constantly tells me to finish. So, the opting out was more in frustration and just the knowing from previous experience that it would just be bad sex.
tap0988534 7y ago
I looked it up. Extreme clit sensitivity is somewhat not super uncommon after an O. However, the girls said they were capable of O after O provided their clit staid out of it, and recommended that the man take charge and work through the problem more creatively.
sash_northpointe 7y ago
Thanks for that. I should have taken charge and not let it have gotten to me. Next time.
IntialFarts 7y ago
Doesn't initiating every night project neediness?
FoxShitNasty83 7y ago
Read someone's comments on my last week's own your shit. It's about valuing your time. I found it very helpful. Tip: your time is valuable, don't give away free sausage!
sash_northpointe 7y ago
Thanks man. I’ll have a look.
sash_northpointe 7y ago
From what I understand, it is if I get denied and get butthurt that makes me look needy. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.
Fulp_Piction 7y ago
Initiate dread every night instead.
hystericalbonding 7y ago
Initiate when you want sex. Not because you think you should have sex more. Not because some anonymous idiot said you should initiate every day. Only when you want it.
sash_northpointe 7y ago
Thanks for this. You’re right.
IntialFarts 7y ago
Imo only initiate when you want sex! Flirt all the time but sex shouldn't be initiated as an obligation.
Over here in we are against routines, when you initiate sex each night like clockwork it becomes routine and boring. Keep her guessing what's next, keep her on her toes.
I'd suggest changing 'initiate every night' to flirt everyday (at random times).
sash_northpointe 7y ago
When in a month long drought, I do want sex all the time. But yes, definitely see how that the constant initiating will be routine and boring. I’ll flirt more and game my wife everyday.
Thanks for the feedback!
rocknrollchuck 7y ago
It's likely annoying to her too, until you become a high value man.
sash_northpointe 7y ago
This analogy is gold. Thanks for sharing.
ComteDeBetamax 7y ago
OYS #6 My Wife Is Just An Antenna
Stats: 6’4” 195 lbs 15%BF 1RM squat 190 lbs, 1RM DL 265 lbs, Ring Dips (+20 lbs) 5 reps, Strict Pullups (+10 lbs) 8 reps, Handstand Pushups (3” from ground) 4 reps, Pushups (+55 lbs) 10 reps
Life and all it’s demands are calling. I have pushed many things aside to carve out time for MRP, reading, and lifting. They are starting to push back. I feel disorganized and overwhelmed at times with the number of professional obligations I have and the little time left over in the day to move the needle ahead. My project for the week is to get the overall picture back in control and balance. I will try the E3D system for 2 weeks and see what it brings.
Work: continues to go well. I have seen improvement in the relationships with all the staff I work with. Some have remarked about the “old” me vs. the “new” me in favorable terms. I feel like I run a team now, and give them direction instead of just bitching about them not doing what I need.
Kids: I had 2 days to myself with the kids while my wife went to a horse show. It was great, and a tremendous bonding and leading experience.
In-laws: My in-laws straight up snubbed me this weekend. They previously had gone on radio silence since my wife phoned them in during a fight where I lost my shit 5 months ago pre-MRP. This weekend I needed to pick the kids up from them. Mother-in-law was non-responsive to texts. I was made to sit in the lobby while they had bell service go up and get the luggage. Pretty ridiculous. This is how the family operates when you fall out of the mother’s line. I DNGAF. Had a pleasant conversation with the bellman.
I’m not sure where the line between DNGAF and tolerating shitty behavior is in this. Right now, the kids are oblivious and have a positive relationship with them, so that is the barometer I’m using. I have no need for them and don’t care otherwise.
Wife: Despite my ignoring Mother’s Day, she was pleasant the whole week over the phone. Almost like nothing happened. Pretty unusual, because it would usually be snub city for 3-5 days. She decided to go to her horse show. She has been good with expenditures up to this point, but I will have to tally the total next week and deliver the consequences. I suspect she will be over her budget, and I will have to divert her weekly allowance to pay for the horse show. I don’t care what she spends it on, just that it is managed.
She looks to me for leadership with the kids, and now she asks me for permission to buy larger items. On her own accord, she has elected to come out a week early towards my state to spend more time as a family.
Frame: I only saw my wife on Sunday for an hour after she got back. I did not feel like having sex, so I didn’t try to initiate. She came home and was smiling and happy. Lots of eye contact and interest. But she made no active moves like giving a hug or affection. She is always passive, waiting for me...like she is taking the temperature. It’s annoying as hell. She just waits for me to come to her.
I made no attempt to come to her and we just talked. I did grab her ass a bit later, but she responded as if nothing happened. So I decided it was time to drive home. She just kept prattling on in circles trying to stall me out. It was clear she wanted me to stay from her behavior. So I gave her a kiss...and it was somewhat returned….but passive. It’s just this constant taking the temperature… Sex is like that too. It’s like she’s just a receiver, and no transmission. I know she can be affectionate, particularly after sex….it’s just that this is her “anxiety” state….and she’s almost always fucking anxious.
So I’m at an impasse. I feel like all she is doing is measuring how much control she has over me. And one of my goals here is to not be controlled. She’s not really giving me any affection, or being vulnerable. I know she likes me, and she still is having sex with me, but it is just to take the temperature and measure her control in a different way.
I understand that elevating SMV will break through that. But on another level, I’m concerned that this is just how she has learned to relate...through fear-based control...the same way her mother does. I’m toying with the idea of not displaying any affection at all...no hugs, no kisses, no kino, no eyes on when naked, no attention. Just being jovial, playful, and leading. And taking sex when I want it.
On one hand, it would remove any appearance of beta boy chasing and confuse her measurements. But on the other, this is exactly how her cold mother would behave when she is on the outs with the family. So I don’t know if this will make things worse, or better….
man_in_the_world 7y ago
Stay out of your wife's head! Imagining what you think that she's thinking and reacting to that is living in her frame and is classic beta behavior. You're mostly just projecting your own insecurities into her head. BTW, her own understanding of her behavior is likely similarly misguided rationalization and validation.
Don't play games with her like a beta; ignore her covert contracts of control. Game her from your frame, not hers. Hug her, kiss her, touch her, admire her, have sex with her as you feel it, not to manipulate or control her feelings by giving or withholding signs of affection. You're out of the covert contract business now; she can think what she wants and play mind games with herself as much as she likes; what she's thinking is not your problem.
HornsOfApathy 7y ago
This is solid advice from MitW. Do you like giving affection? If so, fucking do it from your frame.
I played too many mindgames like this as well, and am only realizing that you don't have to do that to get what you want.
Just give whatever you want.
Noticed I said give?
You're the prize.
ComteDeBetamax 7y ago
Got it. My annoyance is basically an unmet covert contract that I need to terminally extinguish....
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I'm pretty handsy with touch and affection normally. I will keep doing this, but I have to get rid of reciprosity expectations... I like this better than trying to just shut it down. Thanks
man_in_the_world 7y ago
Do it because it's who you are, not for her reaction.
ImNotSlash 7y ago
OYS 31
Vision
Become a financial and emotional rock for my family. Become a fun man, one that creates memories. Be a leader that people look to for confidence, strength, and guidance.
Mission
Be true. Be reliable. Be indifferent. Be impactful. Be missed.
Lifting
Lifting sucked last week and I ended up putting only 3 days in rather than 4. Trying a new diet (below) and I think I was just far too low on everything. Mon was fine. Tues I felt like I was ready to pass out after my warmup sets. I just couldn't get right. I took Wed and Thurs off. Fri sucked, too. Bad week. Fuck it.
Not working, I was putting in gym-time late morning, early afternoon. This week will be moving to evenings though past experience shows they're busy as shit with only one squat rack. My plan is to be in by 5, out by 6:30. If I have to keep sitting around waiting I'll move to mornings. I really don't want to do this as it means getting up at 3AM; I'm an early-bird but not that damn early. I'll do it if necessary.
Diet
Previous diet had led me to a plateau around 200lbs. I was okay with this as long as it was steady with the idea that my goal would be 200 all muscle when all was said and done.
I'm ready to get rid of the gut for good. I believe that around 190lbs will be a BF of 10%; this is a guess based on those stupid scans. I don't care/need to know exact, I'll see it. If at 190 there's still work to do, then I'll keep going.
I'm not looking for a completely shredded look...yet. Let's get to 4 or 6 abs and go from there. Maybe it would be nice to be shredded for once in my life.
The food plan is IMF 16/8 which best I can calculate is below:
I may be too low on overall calories; I'll increase if I find it is hampering my performance. I did have some struggles last week in the gym despite taking EAA's prior. It'll be a work in progress until I get everything honed in for what best fits me.
Given the schedule above I do have a weekly food plan built. It's not exciting but it does have a mix of chicken breast, light tuna, sardines, and egg whites. A strength I do have is the ability to eat the same shit every day and not really be bothered by it.
As I progress I'll likely make some changes.No I won't.Game
Wife and I went to a community event Saturday. I found myself isolated doing some shit with some cute late 20's-something brunette. I had seen her earlier thinking she looked good.
She started chatting with me, commented me on my shirt and shit. When I finished, I was walking away and halfway back to where wife was it just hit me - why the fuck did I not try to game her? Fucking retard. I need to work on this.
Finances
I'm on credit cards now due to an emergency room visit for Son. That and not knowing specific start-date puts me in a bad situation regarding overall finances. Wife will help but this shit fucking sucks. Self-owned.
I've never been a fan of public transportation. I rode a Greyhound years ago and holy hell it was miserable. However, the drive to work is the farthest I've ever done and I live in a large metro area; driving would stress the fuck out of me not to mention maintenance, gas, and parking costs.
I found that basically I can take a bus not too far from home straight to downtown for about the cost of gas. Sign me up. A friend of Wife's had done this and said that early in morning and afternoon it's actually quite pleasant. That will reduce stress and give me time to read and socialize. I'm good with this.
Career
Company did not get the work order in last week so now it's day-to-day when I get back. I was concerned this may happen as the hiring manager admitted to being swamped. There do not appear to be any concerns to back-tracking; just a matter of getting everything done. It's a large corp and this has happened with them before. I just need patience.
Edit: Work order is done; start this week.
I was given an interview chance for a permanent position. Initially, I did not respond as they wanted to interview this week and I thought I'd be working. I was not going to take time off for an interview in my first week.
Once it became clear Company would not have work order done in time I contacted other Company and told them I could interview Mon or Tues. They haven't responded.
Family
Son admitted buying condoms yesterday. I had put the pieces together and figured as much. One thing I can say about this family is we are open and honest, at least more than I at his age. We've had the talk before but I reiterated some points.
I also went over some finance shit with him a while ago but he's already getting in over his head spending money on shit he doesn't need before he even gets paid. We had a deal that he owed me for his classes, uniform, and other shit he had been borrowing. His GF's dad bought them VIP tickets to a concert he's supposed to pay back as well. This kid's already racking up debt. Like father like son. I can't stop it. I need to lead better here.
Will also be getting his learner's permit soon. He'll be elligible for a DL by end of year. The deal I worked out with him is that he is responsible for his insurance when he starts driving. Additionally, any grades lower than a B will cost him his driving privileges. I did mention helping him out in some way with a car at that point (nothing new, an old POS he can learn to fix as I did), and he would be responsible for paying that off, as well.
Back to normal with Wife after the hiccup last week. I really don't know if it was a shit test or comfort test, nor do I think I care. I'm not going to get on my knees and profess my love or vow allegiance. She knows what she needs to do. I'm not anywhere near the point of making a decision about our future. I expect whatever it was to ramp up over the year. I don't necessarily mind the hissy fits - I get the purpose, I think - but the divorce threats are just numbing.
SBIII 7y ago
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You're finances have sucked since Day 1. Part of your mission is to become a financial rock for your family. Yet here you are, 7 months later, living off credit cards. There's no point in having a mission for the sake of having a mission. You need to set goals and action how you're going to achieve them.
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Yes, you can. You lead by example.
ImNotSlash 7y ago
You left out that part of your quote:
SBIII 7y ago
I left it out on purpose - you don't need to lead better, you need to lead.. full stop. That starts and ends with you. You've set your mission as being a financial rock, yet here you are, 7 months in living off a fucking credit card. Like I said, there's no point in having a mission if you do nothing to achieve it.
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When I started here, I was 60k in debt with fuck all income. My main goal was to clear that debt and bank some savings. Within 6 months, I'd cleared the debt. Within 12 months, I'd 60k in the bank. I worked 60+ hours a week for almost a year to do that.
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u/Rpeed has it right when he says "You are lazy. You are fucking lazy man. You set low standards and consistently fail to achieve them." That applies across the board as far as I can see - not just in your lifting.
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ImNotSlash 7y ago
I did one of those InBody scans which put my lean mass at 174. I have little confidence the numbers it gave were accurate because it put my BF at 13% which I knew was bullshit. Nonetheless, I added 10% for the target 190 at least as a starting point. 190 is a better first milestone than 170.
The Strongur link says I'm currently at 20% which is about inline with whatever Navy Method calculator I had used. So with a BF of 10% that'd be ~175. What I don't want to be is all bones. My legs have more mass than upper-body which would add to a disproportionate look; not something I'm going for. As mentioned, I'd wing it at this point. I think I have decent pecs all things considered so I wouldn't be bird-chested; but biceps and forearms leave a lot to be desired.
Using the symmetric strength look, my "final" objective is 325, 250, 160, 375 on Squat, BP, OHP, and DL, respectively. My thought was at that point change up my workout routine for more aesthetics. No specific reason behind it.
The spreadsheet you sent put my maintenance at 2722 with a deficit of 872 on rest days. Other than BW, I didn't see what other figures I was to update (height, for example). The TDEE calculators I was looking at prior all came in around 2300. You think my current targets are still too high?
Elaborate?
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ImNotSlash 7y ago
My T-numbers are low, can't recall exact details but whatever number they gave me was around 130. I found that out a couple months ago but put off treatment until the job situation is resolved. I should have an appointment scheduled in about a month.
You haven't explained what you meant by, "As to energy levels: a fat, weak guy like you should breeze by on those calories." Are they too high? They're signficantly lower than the spreadsheet you offered.
evolvedearth 7y ago
OYS Week 1 ( restart): Back after monkey brain attempts...
Stats:
Age: 49: Height 5'10, Weight 195: BF 13%, Wife 52, (together 22 years, married 10) Child = 9 year old
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Readings: WISNIFG, NMMNG (x3), Rational Male (x2), Book of Pook, MMSLP (x2) MAP, Meditations, Way of the Superior Man (x2), How to Win Friends (x3), Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck, Saving a Low Sex Marriage (x2) and many many more...
Current Reading: Re-reading sidebar, NMMNG again, Saving Low Sex Marriage Again
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Physical/Health:
Great! Just had check up. Taking Boxing Fitness now, Cardio and Lifting
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Career Finance: Business is booming, new opportunities all of the time, paying off bills to 0!
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Relationship:
Having a hard time disconnecting from my covert contract mindset. Sent a flirting text this past week about playing in bed. She stated: How can I think of forgetting about awkwardness we have in our relationship and just have sex..is she expected to just ignore what happens outside of the bedroom? We chatted about this and my question was what do we do to change the awkwardness. She stated that she does not feel connected to me. She gave me like 3-4 excuses of things where she feels like she is alone when we go out that my attention is just on our daughter, not her. She runs a company as I do and her attention is always deep in her phone or computer. Obviously, I am attached to fixing and solving this situation. We do things as a family, I make plans for family and we do lots of things together. I dropped the date night years back because the night would always end up with her being tired. She is not into sex, in fact, I think she is so exhausted in irritation and aggravation from her not having enough time, resources and its impossible to even get her out of bed in the am. All this being said, those reading probably see that I am focused on her and what she is not doing. I read all of the books, working out and following along on here, then I just get wrapped/ frustrated with so many men having sex and not happy with 1-2 times per week.
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I want to make a shift for me. I realize too that all of the issues I have with her not doing or her situation set me up to be in a victim mentality. It's just very weird that I can be married and I can't get passed a kiss or a hug. Its a fucking MYSTERY to me! I just do not get it. I feel bad because at least many of you on here are getting some and seems like this works to improve your relationship. When I went out with friends, dread and I do have other social functions, it virtually has no impact on the wife. Me talking to other women also does not even bother her at all. It's so fricking bizarre..
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Sex :
Last time we had sex or even oral sex was like 2 years ago. This is kind of driving me nutty at this point. I want to have intimacy, sensuality, and sex in my life. Wife is resisting and is always coming up with excuses and redirecting responsibility to me and etc ...
man_in_the_world 7y ago
So how's that dancing monkey covert contract working out for you, Cap'n?
Follow the program ... the real program, not the fake monkey one.
sonnenfn 7y ago
This dancing monkey link just helped me step back a good bit. Thanks for sharing.
evolvedearth 7y ago
Monkey does not work, especially when your just swinging back and forth between doing it and checking to see if any of that stuff works on your attached outcome which again is just a covert contract.
lighthouse143 7y ago
Bull. Shit. You're not 13% BF. If you were 13 % bodyfat and 193 at 5'10" you'd be a piece of fucking meat. You're not. Yet. and that's okay, but don't lie to yourself and lie to us about it. If you're not owning your shit properly, you're stuck in a loop and you're not going to get anywhere. Considering your physical section is a sentence, you're not lifting at all. You're either yolked as fuck or you're over 25% BF.
Maybe because they actually follow the sidebar and steps that need to occur to get to that stage. Where are your lifts? Oh, you don't report them because you aren't doing any lifting. Don't lie to yourself. You aren't putting in enough work to get any results. You're an AFC, and will be until you start taking things upon yourself.
Wrong. It is 100% your responsibility. Lead her
evolvedearth 7y ago
Whats an AFC? Ok, I will work on thoroughness of my stats on lifts. I was in the marines, did half marathon last year and worked out with trainers 3x per week for the last 5 years in addition to lifting on my own and cardio.
Outside of marriage in classes and interactions, I do get women approaching me, touching me and flirting too.. LOL..but that does not mean much and perhaps you hit the head on the nail. I need to get AGGRESSIVE on the stats and PUNCH through the wall of bad-ass...and keep going for me...
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evolvedearth 7y ago
ok. Will do, I guess if I do not get it - I should just keep reading over and over until it sinks in. What books do you feel are best for me to severely get? Did you have issues in your marriage when you started and what has been the outcome and progress for you?
pacjax 7y ago
how have you read the rational male twice and not known what AFC means?
how much more are you lying about besides your body composition
evolvedearth 7y ago
It was a few years back on the rational male. 1 + years ago. This is me :-) https://ibb.co/dMbXWG8
resolutions316 7y ago
Life's been good. There MUST be a catch
**BODY**
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Traveled most of last week and ate relatively shitty. I don't really care enough to maximize my diet when I'm traveling and working - too much stress to be worth it.
Good news: came back the exact same weight as when I left.
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I'm starting with a new trainer/diet plan. While I like my old one, I really haven't seen a ton of progress. I have gained the ability to follow a plan and measure macros/food pretty exactly, so not time wasted. But I'm ready to move on.
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Mostly excited for more direct feedback on lifting/a more focused approach.
Here's the starting plan:
https://imgur.com/a/4lin65l
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I told him my goals were to 1.) prevent injury and hopefully rehab my back, and 2.) gain muscle, in that order. Interested to see how it goes. Did Day 1 yesterday, enjoyed it fine. Still figuring out weights.
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The progression mechanism is: Add one rep to the first set of the first exercise every day until you hit the top of the rep range, then raise weight.
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Diet plan (pictured in the link above) has me eating less than I have been on rest days, but more than I have been on workout days. More fat than I've been used to. Interesting to have to rework my very boring typical diet to fit the new goals.
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**MINDSET**
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Generally strong. No major issues. Enjoyed being on my own a bit while traveling, but I'm getting sick of being gone and the disruptions to my routine.
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Found myself slipping on one of my return days: I assumed based on some innocuous comments from my wife ("I'm tired," and "These are my granny panties") that she was NOT down for sex. "Oh, I get it - she's dodging me" was my thought.
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Found out the next day that she actually changed panties before bed and was DTF, but I didn't pursue an initiation because I assumed she was signaling "no sex."
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Don't assume. If I want, initiate. Period, the end. Can't remember who said this, but one of my favorite quotes from MRP is "Let her figure out why she won't fuck you." Don't do the work for her, just fucking initiate...remember that I've reset our rules lately. Things are different. Push for it.
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**RELATIONSHIPS**
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Generally good. Fucked twice since I've been back from work. Pace has slowed down since our "dramatic conversation" but has remained significantly higher than before (3-4 times a week on average). She's also been a BIT more aggressive/adventurous in bed (taking her shirt off, getting on top, etc), though I'd still like her to go down on me more often.
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As referenced in earlier posts, my ex seemed to "fall in love with me" and seems to be priming me for a relationship. She's expressed wanting to fuck, but has lately pulled back and said she's looking for more. That's fine. If she's open to fucking, so am I, but I'm not going to chase it.
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I actually had a plan for her to fly out to a business trip with me, but she got a full time job and that's been shelved. I made one other pass (I'll be driving by her house in a week - "show me your apartment") but she canceled that and invited me out to dinner instead.
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It's cool - pretty clear to me that this has run it's course. She still sends me a lot of memes and so on; I like her enough that I can just mark her as a friend and move on. The moment has passed, and if she wants to fuck me she'll find a way. Not my priority.
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The experience was pretty transformative for me though, and it's triggered a huge positive change in my mindset, which has had ripple effects everywhere. The lesson I have learned from this is that 1.) I am attractive enough right now to generate legitimate attraction, 2.) that feeling is addictive and needs to be handled carefully, 3.) having options is no fucking joke; I need to actively pursue options in my life in a more serious way, 4.) Raise dread levels. Raise it as much as possible. Take it more seriously.
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**CREATIVITY**
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Got another set of vocals done and sent in for mixing. Travel will make recording not possible this week, but I should be in the studio next week again. Feeling good about progress here.
man_in_the_world 7y ago
FTFY.
resolutions316 7y ago
Maybe. She certainly is “looking for a relationship” now and has told me as much.
That’s cool. Just not what I need. She’s gotta get hers.
SteelSharpensSteel 7y ago
Savage.
hack3ge 7y ago
He’s missed this from the beginning - she saw him as BB the whole time but he took it as alpha fux. If he was her alpha she would never have let him get away without fucking him on that vacation. Luckily for him it didn’t matter and the abundance was enough to help him over some of his last hurdles.
man_in_the_world 7y ago
The distinction between AF and BB seeking sex is rarely so distinct as is fondly imagined here. Hope of locking down their alpha almost always contributes to "AF" sex, which is why plates are always breaking. (Even our hardcore alpha /u/red-sfppplus's Mandy will soon move on if he doesn't commit shortly after his divorce is finalized.) And surely most women feel at least modest real attraction to their future BBs during their courtship. Like most things, it's a spectrum, and it can shift; our hero likely inspired more AF on tour in Europe than as Mr. Businessman Starbucks back at home.
hack3ge 7y ago
I found it very skeptical that she didn't press harder in Europe and that when she came back she magically "broke up" with her boyfriend. She may have seen him initially as AF and was testing him but as the trip in Europe progressed he clearly showed that not to be the case through his inaction.
I do agree in Red's case that she will want to lock down her Alpha Bux but its quite possible she will be willing to ride it out at the opportunity for meeting her dual strategy with a single man. His story is actually one I'm interested in watching play out because we don't hear a lot about divorced MRP men and where they end up. Does it come full circle after a few years of spinning plates and serial LTRs? Can they successfully manage multiple LTRs? Do they get married again (fuck I hope not)? How does that play out and get managed when their younger women approach the wall?
man_in_the_world 7y ago
Make your predictions and place your bets!
My guess is that many do. I suspect that's what happened to /u/2gunsgetsome, for example. And it's not necessarily such a bad outcome; many may prefer that lifestyle, not just settle for it.
Many of our members were the prototypical awkward, bullied nice-boy high school nerd with an inferiority complex who watched resentfully as the bad boys and cool kids got the girls, and more importantly to our beta guys, the validation that went with it. Spinning plates with their new tools is as much an exercise in validation and overcoming that old sense of inferiority as sexual desire; once past that, they find they always preferred an LTR and go back to it ... and why not, if that's what they want? It's a toolbox, not a movement or an ideology.
To paraphrase a recent comment by an observant wag:
"MRP: Building Better Betas since 2014."
hack3ge 7y ago
I didn't realize that /u/2gungetsome got divorced - I missed that somewhere along the lines.
ZabuzAli 7y ago
The past 2 days there have been times where I’ve been a giant fucking pussy and it’s been pissing me off so I guess here’s a good a place as any to vent about being a pussy cunt.
Yesterday a girl was giving me HEAVY IOI’s - constantly looking at me on the bus, looking at me when we were walking in same direction after bus, kept fixing her hair (I’m sure you guys know what I mean) every 30 seconds - AND I DIDN’T FUCKING APPROACH! I. DIDN’T. APPROACH. She couldn’t make it more obvious she wanted me to approach her short of telling me, which we all know women don’t generally do. She was really fucking hot too.
Knowing my history I shouldn’t be too harsh on myself because I have come SO FAR since taking the red pill 3 months ago and I’ve been killing it the past 2 weeks. I’m a 20 yr old virgin that’s suffered from social anxiety disorder since I was 13. It’s been tremendously hard, but this year is my fucking year.
I’m just so fucking angry at myself because I don’t want to be a fucking pussy anymore. I hate, hate, hate it. I am getting better and starting to talk to girls and becoming more open, but it’s such a long journey and it fucking sucks to be at the start of it. It’s full of failure and anger with no rewards. I feel like I’m soooo close to getting some pussy, but I just can’t make it the last 10 meters. What a fucken tease, aye.
Anyways, that’s just the “women” part of my life. I’m improving the other parts of my life also, have been slacking on boxing for the past month, but I’ve been sticking to my lifting every week which I’m proud of. I’ve been a skinny fuck my whole life and I’m tired of it. I’ve been trying to gain weight but it’s so fucking difficult. I know, if i wanted to gain weight that bad I would be. I guess I’m just not putting 100% effort into it, and I need to.
I’ve got so much on my mind I could probably keep writing for hours, but I’ve got things to do because I’m improving.
I look back to who I was 3 months ago, and I can’t believe my life. It’s so much better than I could have imagined at the time. So although I was a pussy a couple times the past 2 days, I also approached other times, and that’s better than what I did a month ago.
Look at that, I’ve just came full circle and am no longer overflowing with anger.
My goal for tomorrow is to approach 3 girls no matter what. Then at the end of the day instead of being angry with myself like today, I will be happy I did it, no matter the outcome of the interactions.
I doubt anyone read this, it was more just me venting, but if you did and have any advice I would greatly appreciate it.
PillUpAss 7y ago
Check out Tom Toreros day game model on YouTube and adapt it accordingly to your situation. Also, Stronglifts 5x5s are the way to go early on. Add in some curl supersets 3 days a week, eat right and you are going to look good. Also, stop being a fucking victim.
hystericalbonding 7y ago
gainit FAQ
Nobody wants to hear you whine and complain. Owning your shit goes beyond acknowledging the problems. What are you doing right now to solve those problems? Day game? Approaches? Sidebar books?
ZabuzAli 7y ago
I’ve read the rational male and am working through NMMNG and How to Win Friends at the moment.
Right now I’m approaching people in my classes and around uni 1-3 times a day. I’m working on approaching more but I’m still trying to overcome my approach anxiety. I’m getting better at it though.
I’ll go through that faq and apply as much as I can, thanks for the tip!
hystericalbonding 7y ago
When you're done those, move on to When I Say No I Feel Guilty, and then stuff more relevant to pickup, like Pook, Bang, Mystery, RSD, Models
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ZabuzAli 7y ago
I wasn’t following her, I was walking to uni and she walks the same way. We see each other every week. I’m not a creep so at least I’ve got that going for me.
You’re right I should join one or two clubs at uni, but I’ve never given it much thought on which. I will make it a goal to join 2 clubs next semester as this semester is nearly over. I don’t have a social circle yet, it’s still something I’m trying to work towards. At the rate I’m going I’ll hopefully have one by the end of the year.
Thanks a bunch for the tips, I really appreciate it! I wouldn’t be where I am without good men like you helping lost young men like me out, so thanks :)
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ZabuzAli 7y ago
This is why I am where I am. I half-ass shit and expect good results. No more.
I’m going to take your advice and establish a calorie goal of 2,500kcal and see how that works for me. If I don’t see an improvement in 2 weeks I’ll take your advice and up the amount by 5% until I start seeing results. I’m very skinny, 58kg (128 lbs), around 7% body fat. So this is definitely something that I need to fix.
I’m going to start using MyFitnessPal and start tracking my weight in excel. In fact I just set both of them up. I’ll read that article right after this.
I’m half way through NMMNG and How to Win Friends, so I’ll add those books to my list and read them next.
Thank you for taking the time to lay this out for me, I really do appreciate it. I now feel like I have a solid and achievable goal to work towards. I won’t waste this opportunity.
beta_buxxx 7y ago
OYS #16
Previous OYS | First OYS
Overview
Me: 33, 5'8", 228.2 lb, 33.0% BF. Wife: 34. Kids: 4M, 2F, 3rd due August. Married 7 years, together 11.
Lifts (SL5x5): SQ 200 BP 120 ROW 130 OHP 105 DL 235.
Readings: NMMNG (x2), WINSIFG, The Game, Pook, TRM, TRP Sidebar, MAP, The Mystery Method, Bang, Day Bang, MMSLP, TWOTSM, SGM.
Body
Lifting
I went on Thursday despite my wife's protests and tantrums and had a great session. I was planning to go on Saturday or Sunday but I caught the latest plague the kids brought home from school and felt really run down this weekend. I know Mehdi from SL5x5 recommends working out while sick but I could barely keep my eyes open after dealing with the kids all day and went to bed very early each night.
Monday I really should have just gone, at least to prove the point to her that I would not be derailed. We had a nice evening in the hot tub after the kids went to bed and by the time all the showering and chores were done it was very late. I am kicking myself for not going last night. There is no try, only do. By not doing, I am losing the war of attrition discussed last week. The momentary annoyance of lifting at midnight is nothing compared to gaining my manhood, which will pay dividends for the rest of my life.
Diet
Total backslide here. I keep thinking that I can just eyeball serving sizes and estimate calories for the day instead of measuring and logging. This is hamstering of the first order and I need to stop. The results show on the scale. Back to basics.
Mind
Reading
Still reading 48 Laws of Power. I am finding the laws more applicable to business relationships than personal ones - have others found the same? I should have completed it by next week and I'll have officially completed the sidebar.
It was a monumental task to listen to all those books and I am proud of my accomplishment. However, I don't feel like I've internalized all the lessons they have to offer. So, while I would like to start listening to either The Red Queen or 7 Habits of Highly Effective People, I feel like it might serve my immediate purposes better by re-listening to MAP or MMSLP. They come the closest to encapsulating the whole of MRP in book form. Thoughts?
Frame
I am finding myself completely unmotivated. Whether it's going to the gym, counting calories, writing a MAP, doing my best instead of coasting at work, I am just not giving it my best. I feel burned out on life, like I've been worn down to a nub. It's like when you fail a rep - you push as hard as you can, but the bar just doesn't move. I imagine myself laying on a table, the EMT hovering over me with the paddles, just shocking me over and over again to get me to move a little. Maybe this is a bit melodramatic, but you get the picture. Do you guys have any tips for getting yourself going?
Relationships
Wife
See my comment here for the details of the lead-up to my actually taking control of my gym time. On Thursday I finished up all my shit around the house, got dressed, and went. She followed me out to the garage screaming that if I wouldn't even talk about it that we would be getting divorced. I went anyway, and she texted while I was there that I had to sleep somewhere else so I didn't wake her and she would be contacting lawyers in the morning. I just told her I would be sleeping in my bed and ignored the rest of the message. She didn't fight me sleeping in the bed with her.
She texted me a ton the next day about getting a divorce mediator. I ignored her, gave short dismissive answers (eg "No thanks") or non sequitors. Next was a screenshot of an airbnb she was "booking", then when that didn't work, she claimed to have called a lawyer to discuss her situation (I checked the phone usage yesterday - she didn't). Finally it was trying to get me into counseling to help me "accept" the reality of the situation (ie tag team me). All bullshit of course, so I continued what I was doing.
We had a discussion that night about everything that was going on and I got her to open up about her issues with the marriage. Not because I was really interested in hearing what she said she needed (I understand she doesn't know what she needs), but simply to provide some comfort by listening. It took some coaxing but she got into some hurtful things I had said occasionally when we first started dating that made it sound like I didn't want to be with her, just with someone. I had forgotten about these incidents, but she, apparently, had not. I think she's honestly afraid I'm going to branch swing. I ended the conversation because it was getting late with a promise to pick up again later.
Since then things have been better, but I haven't tried going to the gym again because I've been sick. I will be going tonight so we'll see where things really stand.
Children
My daughter only wants mommy to do everything right now. Annoying but what's more annoying is how butthurt a two year old's whims can make me. My frame, it seems, is made of wet paper bag. I will work on being more OI with the kids. I can't believe I had to write this...
Friends
Nothing to report here. I'm holding off on dread level 3 until after the baby is born.
Career / Finances
48 Laws of Power gave me some great food for thought in my position. Since I've recently been promoted into management, I have an opportunity to practice these laws on a mostly blank slate in both a "master" and a "courtier" role. Should be interesting!
Goals
hystericalbonding 7y ago
Reduce training volume when stressed or mildly sick, but don't skip workouts. One or two sets of 5 reps is better than zero.
You are incapable of calorie counting. Why do you keep making the same mistake over and over? Do you have a learning disability, or are you just stubborn? You are the ideal target audience for intermittent fasting, keto, PSMF, or other elimination diets. Pick one and do it for 4-6 weeks. It doesn't matter which one.
A change is as good as a rest.
Is this how you feel?
Are you a shitty parent?
MAP and WISNIFG. Don't just listen to them - apply them.
Shitty comfort test. Play it down the middle with the philosophy of stoicism.
beta_buxxx 7y ago
That seems to be the consensus. Even if you can't do the full workout at least you preserve the habit. And that is the most important part anyway.
This made me laugh. I knew I would get a response like this. It's perfectly clear calorie counting is not a long-term solution for me right now.
I don't understand, could you clarify?
Yes, over the first year or so I wouldn't admit it but I was more interested in having a girlfriend in general than in her in particular. I wouldn't go so far as to say she wasn't my type, but she wasn't what I had been looking for. Things just kind of happened and I let them go on because pussy was better than no pussy. Over time, though, she really began to grow on me. I think she has a lot of raw untapped potential as wife material, but my shitty captaining has hindered her development for sure.
Maybe? I am not sure. I do try my best, but I find myself getting bored easily playing with them. I've noticed that the kids tend to favor one parent at a time. A while back my son favored my wife and my daughter favored me, now they have swapped places.
I'm really trying to avoid LARPing, but I agree that there is a disconnect between theory and practice. Do you really think another read through of WISNIFG will help? I thought I got the techniques (broken record, fogging, negative assertion/inquiry) down the first time around.
Thanks for the J10H post. I think I played it that way but we'll see. I'm expecting more of the same tonight when I go to the gym.
man_in_the_world 7y ago
This is your failure. Make up games or adventures that you find entertaining as well, that challenge their minds and emotions as well as their bodies.
The fun for you comes from being a psychologist, a showman, a master manipulator and performer who crafts enthralling activities and adventures that simultaneously exercise, entertain, educate, and socialize your children. Be the mayor, the jester, the sage, the shaman, the sheriff, the villian of your own little world you share with your children.
If you can't be the life with the party with your kids, how the hell do you expect to charm, AMOG, or lead your wife or other adults? Practice with your kids, you boring fuck.
Edit: The possibilities are endless.
Are there monsters in your basement that must be chased away? Why the hell not?
Oh my, there's a ransom note in the mailbox; your child's stuffed animal was kidnapped!
Be a creator, not a consumer, of entertainment, if you want your kids to grow up to be creative people themselves.
beta_buxxx 7y ago
This sounds like tons of fun! I've mostly been a passive observer of their play, or a participant in whatever they decide to do, but never a leader of the play. I'm going to try leading the interaction with some of these ideas and come up with my own too.
man_in_the_world 7y ago
We tell guys not to leave it to their wives to choose the restaurant but to lead; the same applies with your kids.
hystericalbonding 7y ago
You want to go to the gym. She says no, you should be home working on the relationship. You cave. Nice guy, no boundaries, lack of assertiveness.
If you don't apply WISNIFG, then re-reading it won't work. Do you think you need to go further back, to NMMNG?
You are destroying yourself at her request. You will resent her for your own unwillingness to maintain healthy boundaries. If you are asked to sacrifice your health to satisfy her, then you need to become comfortable with her being unsatisfied.
beta_buxxx 7y ago
I went on Thursday despite her screaming at me. I didn't go Sat-Mon because I was sick (though I probably should have gone anyway as discussed). I will be going tonight for sure. I don't think I still have an assertiveness problem, but maybe I'm missing something.
tap0988534 7y ago
OYS #3
Beginning 6th Week:
40 yo, 6’0, 230lbs (-16lb since start), 23% BF(Navy, -6% since start), married 20, kids: bunches and pregs
1RM: SQ235 DL275 OHP140 BR175 BP230
Sidebar: Gorilla, WISNIFG, MMSLP, NMMNG, Pook, Practical Fem Psych
Sidebar In Progress: Rational Male, MAP, SGM, Ironwood
Career: Going well, contract is wrapping up in the next couple of months and I'm eager to move on to somewhere more challenging.
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Mission
Be a fun, active, competitive, attractive, expert, successful leader that inspires men, women and children alike.
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Physique
This week was a bitch slap as I lost no weight and failed my lift targets. I have no idea what happened, maybe I was dehydrated or something but I went to bench what I easily did for a 5x5 and couldn't even do 3, had to deload and finally back to where I was last week. I think I started grabbing the bar closer to the middle.
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IOI/Dread
Diving into my aggressive lifts, and a lot of extra work has left me little social time, and it is wearing on me.
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Social
This part sucks as I've pretty much spent my life avoiding friends and situations to make them. This may be one of the harder parts of my journey. I think it is just going to need to start with me engaging in a lot more of activities by myself even though all the other grown men hanging out alone at the roller rink were super creepy.
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Marriage (Thank you for your patience if this goes too far into a victim puke)
This week has been an endless storm of shit and comfort tests, but I think I have been passing. Thursday she lays into me hard with insults so ridiculously mean I laughed out loud at one point and it made her laugh too, she followed it up with double binds that I fogged past, and showed I didn't care, 10 minutes later she is sobbing in my arms about her friend hurt her feelings. Next night I surprise her with a date, be ready at 8, etc. I come home to get ready, she seems excited. She puts on a really ugly shirt and asks if I like it. I tell her that she's too pretty for a shirt that looks like that then proceeds to have meltdown about where I'm taking her because someone drunk could bump into her and kill the baby. I stupidly offer to take her somewhere else but she continues to melt down, so I don't care and go do my own thing. Later that night my kid comes and tells me that mom has left to stay the night in a hotel. I take the night to read Practical Female Psychology (possibly a mistake for me). Before I go to sleep, I text her that I hope she's having a nice night relaxing without the kids. Ten minutes later she is back home with silent treatment, which I ignore. We had a plan to go running the next morning and, after some mild pissiness, she's back to normal, have a nice day and then she's completely into me, demanding to know whether I've been taking sex drugs or steroids, and calling me her rock (I've never heard anything like that come out of her mouth).
But now I've read too much shit. I am freaked out about all of the FA and BPD shit floating around on these boards, and PFP really fucked with my head. I can't truly figure out if she's LSE or HSE or FA or BPD or whatever the fuck she is. To me she's just a fucking nutjob, and I just really want to become a person capable of having a reasonably happy life. I know that starts in the weight room, but its hard to be patient. Also, reading all this stuff has made me even more deeply dissatisfied with my life. My marriage has been intolerably low sexed and I'm slowly becoming acutely aware of how painfully that affects me, in particular how deeply a lack of sex erodes my sense of well-being. But I'm also really happy to find out that all women do negative projecting, and double binds, and don't say what they mean, and demand unreasonable self-disclosure, and work to subjugate their man into a worm that repulses them. Knowing these things is helping me to understand the concept of frame and allowing me to mostly stay out of my wife's frame even though I'm far from having my own. I can tell I'm on a super long fucking journey of rinse and repeat before I can even begin to understand a lot of this stuff, and deep down I'm really scared that I built a life that I'm not capable of salvaging. I've been through two decades of marriage on hardmode, and right now I'm bitterly angry with myself for becoming a man-worm worthy of contempt, but also desperately hoping that I'm 100% the problem, because that means I can fix it. For now I just need to stay motivated. It really does seem possible my behavior is responsible for eliciting the BPD behavior from my wife, and if that’s the case, then my behavior can stop drawing it out.
I'm also really afraid of some of this program. After diving into the psych stuff, I realize that when I married, my wife was a project and a wounded bird and an all-around broken person, particularly as it relates to abandonment issues. I would even say that I think she's one of the few to have largely made the transition from LSE to HSE, and I'd also say I think she used to be strongly FA, but after a very long time, she actually trusts me and has managed to reprogram whatever PTSD used to kick in when she feels close to me. I'm nervous about a strong dread program triggering her back into a psycho.
Also, I'm not on board with the "next" approach for my marriage. It's not oneitis or soulmatery. I'm painfully aware that I would have a much easier time relationship-wise with dealing with new girls that I could vet and frame from the beginning. But there's many other factors here. We've got a lot of kids, and I'm sure they're all mine. I enjoy being a parent, and really do believe that kids being raised by their own parents is a rare and ideal opportunity. Wife is SAHM. While I make good money, nexting would be a disaster financially and for my kids. They'd end up being raised by whatever series of retarded turds she managed to cycle through that wanted to play house with someone with a buttload of kids. I'd probably end up supporting her gross boyfriends, while living in a rental room in an old lady's house and riding a bike to work until I'm in my mid-60's. Whatever dissatisfaction in my marriage might feel like, nexting looks worse to me than suicide.
The true challenge I'm faced with is transforming my relationship into the relationship I want.
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Short Term Goals
My short-term goals are to primarily amp up my Alpha qualities:
Fitness, Physique, Social Skill, Social Standing, Masculine Energy, Assertiveness, Aggressive, Protective, Dominant, Competitive
I adjusted the weight loss target and the running targets below. I'm putting too much into lifting to work much on the running, I'm already getting close on my BP target, but I de-loaded on some other stuff and moving ahead slowly because I'm intent on not fucking up by getting any more injuries.
#1 40-day(26 Remaining) Weight Loss and Lifting Challenge - Drop Weight to 200lbs. (lose 30) Achieve Intermediate-Level 1RM lift Targets for 190: SQ305 DL355 OHP155 BR200 BP235, Diet: Steak, Eggs, Greens, MCT & Isopure Shakes (900-1400 Cal/day)
#2 40-day(26 Remain) Fitness Challenge - Run a 30min. 5k
#3 Develop friendships with 3 men
#4 Be Aggressive, Assertive, Confrontational, Dominant, and Fun
#5 STFU, No DEERing, Zero butthurt
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Long Term Goals
8% bf, 25min-5k, Intermediate-Level 1RM lift Targets for 200lb: SQ325 DL375 OHP160 BR215 BP245
Join a combat sport, prob BJJ (for minimal head damage).
Develop a mastery of public speaking.
Find a racquetball partner.
Improve my networking skills and get skilled at networking.
Learn to be effective with dread.
Get skilled at Alpha behavior.
Start understanding and developing frame.
Do lots of fun physically active stuff.
hystericalbonding 7y ago
You're still codependent. Kids are an excuse right now. You need to allow yourself the option to leave her. Even if you eventually decide to stay, you need a clear and actionable exit plan.
Is she still drinking? Are you?
tap0988534 7y ago
Very little alcohol. She's pregnant, and I don't drink on my own. We did have a beer on Sunday. I mostly just can't see an exit plan that looks better than an unhappy marriage. Living on 40% of my net pay so that I can spend every weekend running kids around and babysitting is a pretty meaty finger on the scales.
man_in_the_world 7y ago
The causality runs the opposite direction; your unattractive need for sexual validation has turned her off sex with you.
It's not just possible, but likely.
tap0988534 7y ago
It's not only that, I've spent most of my life becoming the embodiment of unattractive thinking, appearance, and behavior in every conceivable way.
This is so fucked. I've spent actual decades neutering my personality in order to better walk on eggshells past the crazy. And like some cheesy 80s fantasy movie with claymation muppets, the power was with me all along hidden in some stupid medallion.
pacjax 7y ago
what does sahm mean
tap0988534 7y ago
SAHM/SAHD is Stay-at-home-mom/dad
1nt3grity 7y ago
OYS #1
Stats:
Age: 37 Height: 5'11 Weight: 185 BF: ? Wife: 36 (Married 7) Kid: 1
Readings: WISNIFG, NMMNG , Rational Male, Book of Pook, MMSLP , MAP, Way of the Superior Man, Sex God Method, How to Win Friends and Influence People (x3).
Current: 7 ways to 7 figures
Physical / Health: I've been lifting since last October. I'm miles from where I started.
5x5: BP: 160 OP: 150 Row: 130 DL: 185 Squat: 155. My squats were higher, but I hurt my back and am taking a slow time increasing weight for fear of hurting myself again.
Google says healthy weight is between 155-189. I'd like to see 175. I'm a long way from where I was at 230-240.
Career / Finance:
I'm good financially, but do spend many hours per week at my job.
Relationship:
This first post is about me continuing to work on me. I've been swallowing the pill since October of 2018.
MAP:
I work a ton of hours at work, but would love to start my own service business and have some rentals.
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Art_Martin 7y ago
OYS 3.
Age: 38 Wife 38. Together approx 20 years. 3 kids 10,8,6.
Big week of introspection...
Work
I have a professional office job, and I am not motivated like I should – But it pays well. To me, this reflects on me as low value, as I really should be slaying it career wise at 38 years old - not withstanding that you spend over 40 hours a weeks of your life there too. Not sure what I am going to do about this yet.
Property development stuff is going well.
Life/Mission
I’m do life in general okay, but if I am honest I miss things. I forget little things. I get focussed on the mission that I sometimes forget little details. And I understand that sometimes those little details create a perception to others, including the wife, that you’re not organised, that you don’t own your shit. And accumulation of those issues over years can create bigger more lasting perceptions of your nature. Its only little things, like forgetting to get the can of soup when you go to the shops amongst the 100 other things you buy. Or have you paid the bill, or have you organised for xxx.
That is done – I’m starting a notebook, and memory tools to ensure everything is covered.
The good thing is that I have always owned the issue if I fucked up, the bad thing is when I own the issue the wife uses it as a launching pad for all the other things I have missed/not done/forgot. It was always easy to DEER. The true road is the organised road where you don’t fuck up.
Working on these areas too:
Be more friendly in life – recognise that the benefit of interaction is better than the risk of rejection in most instances.
• Remove inhibition in interactions so you can be the best version of yourself - Be like the Art_Martin after 2 beers all the time. Recognise that you are charismatic as fuck 2 beers in (and sloppy after 6) and the reason for that is your inhibitory circuits are not firing after 2 beers. Recognise that you are a different person in your confidence level around different people/audiences and the reasons for that is you are more inhibited in certain circumstances.
Lifting.
Back to 3-4 times a week. Huge priority for me. Reason I do it – it gives me confidence. Bonus points is that I see my wife staring at my chest now sometimes.
Also, i’m starting to understand how different women and men see the world, and how much women are attracted to strong confident men who have an abundance/DNGAF/stoic mentality. I truly didnt ever really know that.
I am literally putting myself in a womans head for the first time, and imaging what it would feel like to have a man who was taller and stronger than you, and an air of confidence and competence that commands a room – and I can see how that would make a woman swoon. I don’t understand submissiveness because I am the exact opposite, but I am starting to understand the dynamics at play that would make a women would want to submit to a strong confident man. The shit thing was that I was the exact opposite pre RP.
Also, I now recall long forgotten conversations in the past of my wife who told me she didn’t like muscles, (and recently tried to actively discourage me from going to the gym)and didn’t like dominant men, but then picture drunken conversations where she gets with the girls and they talk about how hot so and so actor is – and it’s ONLY the big buff guys with the square jaw they talk about.
Kids.
Back to order now after I hadn’t been around enough for a few months doing development work. Only took a week and they get themselves ready without me nagging or asking. I’m working on furthering their independence, and carving out more time to spend doing fun things with them.
I’m now seeing a shift back towards me from my daughters particularly and they are making comments about mum being angry all the time. And truth be told, we both were more angry in the past as the kids were good kids, but didn’t really listen like they should .
Wife can see how well the kids react to me, and once I have fully embedded it, I will start working on the boundaries with my wife with respect to her attitude toward the kids. I need to be congruent in that space before I have that conversation otherwise she will just henpick the scenarios where they don’t listen to me(they are kids and it happens from time to time) as a reason why I don’t have the authority to lecture her.
They just don’t listen to her because she is so attentive to their needs. And so she gets angry, because shit needs to get done.
Relationship
I received some great advice in my last OYS from man_in_the_world that reminded me my wife is not a special case because she is a mummy hero focused on the kids. She is AWALT, and she may not come around, but you won’t know unless you get on with it. Either way, I am getting on with the program.
I removed the last elements of neediness in my relationship and adopted a position where I stopped dropping everything to do things for her. I’m still doing things for her, but I don’t drop what I am doing whenever she needs it. She can wait. Gotta be careful not to RAMBO on this though – I still need to be her masculine ‘oak’ is the word around here - however I recognise I need to pull back on neediness and placating her in order to move forward.
Consequently there has been a heap of shit testing this week, which I have passed mostly. To the point where it almost seems overt that it is testing my compliance to her, because the requests became increasingly absurd and pointless. –do the dog poos in the backyard that were scooped up this morning really need to be done again at 10 oclock at night.
So I had this view that my wife was a complete rock, devoid of any needs from a man or the relationship, and existing solely for the kids. Turns out that I found the first chink in her armour and I put this on askmrp to understand it more.
https://www.reddit.com/r/askMRP/comments/bqpgd3/trying_to_understand_this_comfort_seeking/
When I showed a form of IDGAF combined with abundance mentality- that I didn’t really notice her because I’m doing awesome stuff living an awesome life(embellishing for emphasis), she came to me for comfort. She wants and needs comfort – she wants and needs the higher value version of me. She has NEVER done anything like this before. Anger has been her go-to emotion in the past when I offend her or don’t do what she wants. I see this as an early sign of AWALT and progress.
Another thought is that I’m going to start framing my life in the following way from now on until I internalise it-What would a high value man with abundance do in this scenario _as a way of resetting my brain to think about my behaviour in the moment.. Not just with my wife, but with everyone. And if I look back on my life, besides the property development stuff that I drove forward irrespective of her protests, and I manage my team at work with a calm stoic manner- everything else I was doing were low value behaviours.
Particularly to my wife -I was needy, I was whiny, I was weak, I was her bestie talking about feelings and shit all the time, I wasn’t confident and assertive, I supplicated and put all her needs first, I dropped everything to do her bidding on a whim, I wasn’t as fun and active as I could be, I wasn’t leading the kids as a man should, I asked her permission/advice/opinion on everything, I was forgetful, I wasnt the calm oak type person she could rely on in times of stress, I was….a shit husband- and I don’t know why she put up with it for so long.
So the only thing I had going for me was that I had a mission(property development well executed but change management with the wife was shit –and the wife gave me shit about that all the time), a good income, and I was reasonable looking and not overweight(but not buff). Literally every other part of my life was low value.
Until this week since finding RP, I kept wanting to go RAMBO and leave her if she didn’t give me what I want. F that – I owe it to myself, my wife and the family to FULLY become the high value person I aim to be that does the exact opposite of the traits I mentioned above- and then- and only then – do I start to look at my options. I know this is the BPP 12 stages of dread stuff – and I’d read all about that – but I get it now. I really get it.
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Do you like the job? Do you find it interesting? Are there things you can get involved in that you like better? Set some plans/goals. If you're a high value employee then you can pretty much work on what you want. How do you get to be a high value employee? If you're not waking up most days looking forward to work, then there's a big problem in your life.
What's the mission?
Don't do this... don't put yourself in her head, but see her for what she is - a woman. Women are great. I love women. But you have to love them for what they ARE not what you want them to be.
You're faking it now... you haven't internalized it. You won't for awhile. Recognizing it is great progress though.
Oh, you'll get these again, possible forever. I get "I don't care what you look like", "you don't need to work out so much", "I don't like muscular guys", "I want to be in charge". It's all lies... well consciously maybe they really believe that - in their hamster subconscious brain, they want a strong guy who is in charge of his life. Then she'll mold to his life.
This is good stuff. My wife went through the same thing. Own your shit with the kids.
Don't lecture her. You can't control her. You CAN control your reaction to her.
You're at a prime spot to go RAMBO.... it's not just anger, it can be not giving a fuck rambo too. I went through it... it's not a good thing. Slow and steady.
I believed this too... I won't get into details but my wife puts up a front of being strong. It's just that a front. She NEEDS you to be the rock / oak. You need to lead. She REALLY REALLY doesn't want to and the more she does the more she resents you.
You owe it to yourself. Just focus on that one. This is going to be a months if not years long process. Buckle up and learn to love the suck.
Art_Martin 7y ago
Not really. But to do the property development work you need capital - and I'm not at a place where I can risk the house on the developments. So my income provides the security to get the capital to do the projects. Two more projects(about 4 years) and I should be in a position to do that full time.
Not my best choice of words, but property development from a financial perspective 'was' the big focus of my life.
Thanks. I'm trying to see this more as a 'understanding human nature',,,
I need to process this one. I feel like I do owe my wife for sticking with the crap version of me. I feel I owe a the kids a stable upbringing. Maybe thats the wrong way to go about it - but I see being a high value man as someone who wouldnt quit on solving a problem if they believed there was a possible solution.
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SteelSharpensSteel 7y ago
Removing your flair.
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Not anymore... women are women, men are men. I don't feel less respect for women, but just understand them for what they are - emotional creatures.
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Try to call it whatever - it's anger. You're more angry at yourself for not knowing and recognizing this sooner. That's ok, but the quicker you accept the reality of women's nature, the quicker you will move past the anger.
Why the hell are you disappointed? What exactly is there to be disappointed about? You can be disappointed in yourself I suppose... it serves no purpose but there's no reason to be disappointed in women. This sounds like MGTOW.
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I wouldn't go that far but it's a point well worth making.
hystericalbonding 7y ago
No. Quite the opposite. Apply WISNIFG.
FoxShitNasty83 7y ago
Exactly, don't fight it... Pick up the right tool for the right job. Accept that they are how they are. The anger will rise and fall but this isn't about your anger toward her but it's all towards you. Use the anger to fuel change within you.
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This is going to sabotage your progress. There are no shortcuts and don't expect instant satisfaction on anything. Play the long game. You shouldn't even CONSIDER leaving HER for 19 months based on the time you've been together. You fucked all this up for years and now want her to instantly change when you haven't done shit? Start making progress based on yourself, not your wife.
There is no talking about sex. You will NOT negotiate desire. And you're not anywhere close to even having your own frame to have any "discussions". There aren't discussions - there are expectations or decisions (where your wife can provide input) that you have/make. No more heart to hearts... on anything.
Learn to like the 1-2 times a month you get and caveman the shit out of her. Make it what YOU want. Just be friendly with others, don't aim to get numbers or anything - just be a fun guy.
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FoxShitNasty83 7y ago
Nice
rocknrollchuck 7y ago
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Your wife has gone 19 years without a Captain. Don't you think you owe it to your family, and more importantly YOURSELF, to at least put in your best effort before you start throwing an arbitrary deadline around? At 19 years married, the minimum you should be shooting for is 19 months. And I can tell you, depending on a variety of factors (many of which boil down to the amount of effort YOU put in), it may take a LOT longer.
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For now, your only move besides rereading WISNIFG should be to STFU.
DeanMaverick13 7y ago
Age 28 HT 5'10 WT 185 16-17% bf
3 worship services a week in the iron temple, full body, compound lifts, the main 5
Diet is mostly protien. Eating in morning, fasting through the rest of the day. Then about 2 all day fasts a week until I get down to 10% bf
Just made it through WISNIFG painfully, currently on How to Save a Low Sex Marriage by bluepillprofessor, my next goal is Way of the Superior Man and all its woowoo.
I've been working out in secret, I used to post all over social media, talk to my wife about it etc. The other day, she asked if I have been working out because I look like I have, I shrugged and just said "a little bit"
I have been going out for beers (water right now) lately. I would look for excuses not to get out before. Home was more comfortable. My friends all dissapeared one by one and I can't blame them. I've been reaching out and setting up hangouts. Not just with my close family (brothers, in-laws etc)
I've had to relearn how to be funny, social, steal the room etc. I joke with girls in public now. Especially when my wife is with me.
Guess who initiated sex last? Not me!
I've retouched with my emotions. I can feel again. I was a damn robot, especially after going Rambo and screwing shit up.
I've made small adjustments in my life such as throwing out all my shitty, dad clothes as well as stupid tshirts with superheros and Disney characters on them. I threw out a whole pile of white tube socks. My dresser is in perfect order now. I drive a company vehicle, I keep it spotless now. I've started putting back 50$ per paycheck in cash, stashed where it's inconveniently at home and not on me.
I've gotten a raise at work and was told I've been working hard and will be getting another bump this month.
I've gotten back in touch with my spirituality. Studying and praying. (Christian guys, you'll understand)
Have begun taking care of my hair, skin and nails. I keep up with the barber trips, shape my beard, use pore cleaner etc.
Wear less cologne when I wear it. Don't want to bless the whole room, just those who get close enough for a sniff.
Following the 60 DoD has really helped me. Reading other guys successes and failures have inspired me.
SteelSharpensSteel 7y ago
Wheymen.
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FereallyRed 7y ago
Still catching a whiff of Deer, but good for recognizing the hysterical bonding attempts.
I think you'll actually need to leave, though. For both of you.
wildnight98 7y ago
Curious why you came to that conclusion? Of course, I'm halfway out the door at this point, but just wondering.
FereallyRed 7y ago
Still too much veiled and not so veiled animosity, stemming from the fact you're still giving her too much engagement traction. and she still has the power to tweak your buttons, and you're both holding onto those. So it'll probably take a paradigm shifting change to truly shoot those behaviors in the head and reset.
wildnight98 7y ago
Makes sense, thanks.
johneyapocalypse 7y ago
Upon reading your post I thought the same thing fereally did, before even reading his comment. You must move out.
Why?
Over decades you have a built a series of habits, behaviors, and responses - it's a dynamic that exists between both of you. She contributes, you contribute, the dynamic takes on a life of its own.
If you do not move out and she succeeds in bending the rules to her favor, again, for the weekend, she yet again succeeds in continuing the dynamic through continuing the behavior, thus reinforcing the behavior that perpetuates the dynamic.
Per fereally a paradigm shift is indeed needed. Objective, level-headed introspection is required, from both of you. That will come with space.
You need it too, bro.
I still speculate that you've been going through the motions a bit - and this is the kick in the ass you need and will benefit from.
WhiteNight200 7y ago
OYS #5 (Discovered MRP 3/11/19)
Stats: 34yo, 5'9", 187 lbs., BF (need to update) (I'm on SL5x5 week 9)
SQ: 155 5x5
BP: 100 5x5
BR: 120 5x5
OHP: 90 5x5
DL: 185 1x5
Chin-ups: 4RM
Background: Raised LDS, Career Beta, 99th percentile introvert (per JBP's personality assessment)
Wife: Raised LDS, 32yo, 5'3", 135 lbs., Together 12y, Married 11y, SAHM plus music teacher
Children: 2yo twin boys
Mediocre but regular sex for eight years with wife before pregnancy, when she lost all interest. Nothing for 18 months, then a trickle. Discovered MRP about two and a half years after boys were born.
Mission
Be the best captain I can be. Lead myself and my family to a life of fulfillment and abundance. Exercise righteous dominion. Stand up for my own interests.
Study
Finished MMSLP, MAP, NMMNG, Rational Male Year One Highlights, 16 Commandments, all posts on MormonRedPill subreddit, popular posts on MRP, BPP's YouTube videos, WISNIFG, TRP Sidebar. 1/3 Pook. 1/3 Bang.
Working on Way of the Superior Man.
Physical
SL5x5 3x/week, plus chin-ups. I'm still seeing a lot of progress at the gym.
I'm having trouble keeping my back straight for the last reps of my barbell rows. They are by far my least favorite exercise in SL.
Aiming for 1610 calories and 120g protein/day, tracking in MFP. Did a lot better this week than last. Still room for improvement.
Career
No changes.
Financial
No changes. I've been looking at future sources of passive income, including using the equity in our current house as a down payment on our future home, and then renting out this one. This is likely 5-10 years in the future.
Personal/Leadership:
Working on Dread Level 3. Went to game night again this week. I won't be able to go once Scouts moves to that weeknight in July. But I'll have made some friends, and there are many other similar activities around.
Finally got termite prevention and weeding taken care of at the house.
Doctor's appointment this Thursday. I hope to find out whether I'll need surgery that'll put me out for two weeks.
Family
Sick kids and busy schedule during the week prevented me from taking them out. I can take them Thursday afternoon after my appointment.
Marriage
I was not very attracted to my wife over the last two weeks. With illness in the house (incl. her terrible coughing) and the recent Fitness tests, I had not been motivated to game or initiate. I think I'm also more RP aware and more resentful of her (and women in general) because of it. This is a natural reaction after taking the Pill. My job right now is to keep it down by continuing with my MAP.
She initiated duty sex on Tuesday, the last day of her fertility window. Then late after I got home from game night, I gave her my interest, snuggled, and initiated at bedtime (lazy, I know) which resulted in a hard no. I gave her a hug and went to sleep. I know that bedtime is the worst time to initiate, yada yada yada, but I was up for it and it's better than not trying at all.
I have gotten flack from her recently (usually by text) for not being home for dinner several nights over the last two weeks. I don't take responsibility for her feelings, especially when I have legitimate duties, outside of the gym and Dread 3. I have expected this pushback so I'm not concerned about it. I have STFU when appropriate, but did not have many opportunities to engage in fogging, etc. I'm not going to do that through text.
Friday night, before the boys' bedtime routine, she abruptly announced that she was going out. I am almost certain that this was her responding to my recent absences and not telling her where I am all the time. I basically shrugged, calmly asked where she was going, and then requested that she get groceries while she was out. She left and I did bedtime by myself, no big deal.
I woke up at 4am Sunday morning pondering my MAP. She woke up a little later and asked why I was awake. I gave her a short answer, kino'd, and then initiated, which turned into some decent sex.
I get up with the boys and do breakfast once a week on my days off. This week I did it on Sunday. She second-guessed my handling of it more than once, and I called her out on it. When I went upstairs to shower, she followed me. I stayed firm, accepted apologies, fogged when appropriate, and let her run in circles. When she tried to continue the arguments in the car, I told her I wasn't going to talk about it while I was driving. (It takes too much of my attention to have a serious conversation while I'm driving--I've been known to miss turns or drive towards work instead of church when I'm distracted. I know my limits here.) It gave her a chance to run the wheels in her head. She hasn't brought any of it up again since. The air is clearer and most of the animosity that had been building up is gone, for now.
I have not met my goal of planning a date every two weeks. I've got to do better here. We are doing an at-home date night once a week. I need to bring my game back up with these, too.
Goals for the next month
Continue reading.
Continue SL5X5 and chin-ups. 1610 calories and 120g protein a day.
Continue engaging with the people around me at work and when I'm out.
Stay on budget. Pay an extra $2K toward student loans every month.
Plan for fun. Arrange everything myself. Continue knocking off the To Do list.
Take my children out of the house once a week.
Be the father figure. Continue to STFU while recognizing Tests. Fog, NA, NI. Don't DEER. Game and initiate. Plan a date every two weeks. Respond to rejection with OI and get out. Reward good sex when it comes.
SBIII 7y ago
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Protein intake seems very low - if you're cutting, you should be getting at least 200g per day.
WhiteNight200 7y ago
My lean body mass estimate puts me right around 70kg. 1.8-2.4g/kg/day of protein (for small to moderate calorie deficit and progressive training) = 126-168g/day. Only the most extreme studies recommend 3+g/kg/day. (And I'm not that extreme...yet.)
SBIII 7y ago
From what I've read - you should only work your protein levels from LBM if you're over 25% body fat. Though honestly, I haven't a fucking clue if this is right - there's so much information and studies on these things, it's hard to know what to believe. I generally go by Mike Matthew's "Bigger, Leaner, Stonger" book - he's done a serious amount of donkey work as far as reading and digesting studies and the book is well written and an easy read. Would highly recommend it.
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I started a proper cut 8 weeks ago and went by 1.2g protein per lb of body weight, so at just under 200lbs I was on 240g of protein per day (just over the 2.4g/kg/day ratio). I'll be down to 189lbs in a week and none of my lifts have suffered.. in fact, they all went up by a lot more than I had programmed for these two months.
WhiteNight200 7y ago
Honestly, I've only been doing the high protein diet for about a month now, starting at 1g/kg. I'm still finding ways to plan and center my meals around it, but things are going well. I haven't had any DOMS to speak of since my first week at the gym. If I stall out or I'm not getting the results I want, I'll make some major changes. Otherwise I'll step it up incrementally where I can.
SBIII 7y ago
I found that hard at the beginning too but over time you'll find foods you like that suit your macros. My weekly meals are pretty much the same -
Breakfast - high protein greek yogurt with high protein muesli, honey and strawberries / bluberries
Morning snack - vegan protein powder with almond milk, high protein greek yogurt & a banana
Lunch - 150g of lean meat in a bagel
Afternoon snack - chocolate / peanut protein bar
Dinner - 200g lean meat with vegetables
Evening snack - same as breakfast
2000 cals / 200g protein, never worry about carbs v fat intake once it's within the cals for the day.
Saturdays are the same except I drop the shake, have a cheat meal for dinner and some cheat snacks in the evening.
WhiteNight200 7y ago
I need to get better at slimming down the marriage section and focus on one or two highlights.
My social interactions are where I see the most that I can improve, so that's where I tend to focus.
Mr_ChocCoveredBanana 7y ago
OYS 2
Stats/Lifts: -
Mission:
Physical:
Mental:
Relationship/sex:
this one is going to be a long one but I wanted to get it out there so hopefully an experienced man here could offer insight if he was willing.
I didn’t do the dishes the other night because I honestly just didn’t feel like it. Wife started yelling at me and accusing me of making messes I know for a fact I didn’t make...or at least I wasn’t the sole contributor. She started raising her voice and yelled. I told her “You’re not going to fucking yell at me” in a low volume. She yelled “I’ll use whatever tone I want to to get my point across!!” But I had walked away at that point. I didn’t speak to her for the rest of that night and basically all the next day, except for short messages and logistics. I think it could have been helpful to have done the dishes, but I don’t think I deserve to be yelled at because I didn’t. I also think it’s good that I walked away at some point at least. I 100% should have STFU earlier, but at least I remembered to do it at some point and that’s a step in the right direction.
In speaking to her very minimally, I experienced a lot of anxiety. I felt as though I should have been trying to say something to make her happy, or do something to make her happy, but I recognized that as seeking validation. I ended up helping her out later with some little chores, but I stopped in the middle of it. I know I’m rambling, but I guess my point is that I feel as though I’m recognizing nice guy/beta behaviors so I’m taking (baby) steps forward. I think in staying the course, my anxiety will start to decrease
An area I’m having trouble with is resentment. I made a goal to initiate once a day, but I’m having trouble bringing myself to do it. When I look at her, I no longer see a beautiful lady that loves me, I see someone who loves, or at least desires, a mindless, supplicating, beta male. I’m not saying that it’s HER fault, because I’m the one who ultimately acted beta, but it’s hard for me to bring myself to be loving to someone who just wants to use me. I’m hoping a more experienced MRPer can help me unpack this.
On Friday night we had a pretty lengthy talk, almost all night. It’d be a ton to type out, but I’ll try to summarize. She tried to yell at me for not doing the dishes again. I was in the bathroom and she just started doing them. I planned on doing them when I was done but she said it was my fault she did them. I should have stopped her apparently. I told her I’m not responsible for her making her own decision. Then she talked about my lack of affection. She told me she doesn’t know if she wanted to be with me anymore due to a lack of affection. I told her that she gets snappy when I turn the affection up, and she said that she needs my love and affection to be unconditional. She’s extremely needy when it comes to affection. I’ve never really received a lot of affection as a kid so I don’t really display it naturally. I told her that her snappiness is really a turnoff and it makes me aloof. She said she needs affection and if she can’t get it she understands. She said she wants me to do what comes naturally to me. We started cuddling after that and we fucked three times after that. It sounds like a ridiculous change of emotional state to me on her part. I think it was a comfort test maybe? Or she’s saying that stuff to keep me in her frame? Idk. I hate getting sucked into arguments with her, I know it’s me entering her frame, therefore making me a faggot, therefore unattractive. Then again, surely she wouldn’t fuck me three times in a night if she wasn’t attracted to me, right? My head is all over the place. I need a clear direction forward to avoid these kinds of big fights, or maybe I just need to STFU way more. Ultimately, I think my issues come down to frame. There’s a lot of “she” in this paragraph, and that means I’m in her frame. It doesn’t seem like I made too much progress last week apparently concerning frame, but I’m going to hit it doubly hard this week.
Finances:
tap0988534 7y ago
This part is completely off. It's fine to not clean, but its not fine to not take care of it. Assign the work to the kids or even hire them to do to. Assign it to your wife. Hire a cleaning lady. Make it a family cleaning game. The next problem is your failure to understand your wife. She is yelling to test your strength. The environment (mess) is simply a projection for her emotions. She craves a man she can't control emotionally. She craves a leader that takes responsibility. When she acts out, you need to stop feeling hurt. You are the surgeon, and she is the crazy lady screaming outside the operating room as you save the patients life. You are unphased as the patient loses blood pressure from the nicked artery. You calmly suture and cauterize the blood vessel as you stabilize the convulsing patient. NOBODY wants a surgeon that starts crying and getting angry because the surgery isn't going well. The techniques we use for yelling wives are Fogging, NA, NI, STFU, AA, and AM. In this case a simple "Your're probably right. I should have taken care of my shit." and maybe a "but at least I got to see your cute angry dimple" if you're feeling cocky. Butthurt withdrawal for 1 day plus is the exact opposite of frame. Who the fuck cares what you deserve? What you deserve is to be completely subjugated by your wife or whoever comes along next, because you are going to live inside her frame and give her the bone-dry sensation that you are an extremely unattractive brooding child that she has to be careful around because you might get butthurt.
man_in_the_world 7y ago
Skimming through any romance novel will show you that's not what she wants. She wants a powerful, attractive Alpha who dominates her both with his frame and sexually, but who also desires her above all other women and protects, provides, and gives her ample affection. She'll settle for a beta if he's her only option, but she won't be attracted.
She's not trying to betaify you, she's testing the strength of your attraction and commitment to her, or your boundaries, and you betaify yourself by over-responding due to your weakness, neediness, or insecurity. Your wife was never the enemy; it always was and is your beta soul.
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I highly recommend replacing cardio with a group/social cardio activity. Team sports, martial arts. Doing martial arts will get your cardio in and get you around other people.
Did you have something better to do? One of the things I started doing early on was just doing shit... like all the time, be busy. Last night, there were dishes, my thinking now is "oh good dishes, let's do this shit". This was after Muay Thai, after I meal prepped for the week, and after I put the kids to bed. Being busy is awesome. It's not about the dishes...
Don't argue and don't be butt hurt. Ok she was disrespectful, you walked away. Great... reset the next day. You are above her shit. You are better than it. She's a child throwing a tantrum.
Recognizing them is the first step. One thing that helped with my anxiety (and dude I was anxious as hell - all the time, panic attacks, the whole 9 yards) is to start visualizing and really absorbing her leaving, what would happen, etc. Also, read up on Stoicism, read Meditations. This helps.
She may consciously even think she wants a beta male. She doesn't. She wants someone who is independent, confident in himself, emotionally stable. When you start reading the female psychology shit on the sidebar (Rational Male, Practical Female Psychology) you'll fully understand this and what she's doing. The quicker you recognize she's not unique and AWALT the quicker you'll see progress.
Talking is bad... especially when new. STFU more. Please.
YES. STFU wayyy more. Right now, you have no frame and the best action is to STFU. You need to read WISNIFG next - this will help you deflect.
You're in the anger phase. Slow down. I got this early on too. It was bad... looking back it was all anger, I tried to DEMAND change in her. You can't change her - you can't control her - but you can control you and fuck with her and have fun.
She's desperate for someone who can demonstrate being an oak. Weathering HER storms without getting sucked into it. You get sucked in. Looks like easily and quickly.
Mr_ChocCoveredBanana 7y ago
My wife works nights so martial arts is hard right now, but I definitely plan on it in the future when money and scheduling is better. I did BJJ for a while so I plan on getting into that again.
No, I didn’t. Honestly, it was a piece of shit, drunk captain move on my end. I’m working harder at not doing that anymore.
Definitely a top focal area for me. I expect to have better news about that. I plan on reading a ton of posts about STFU in addition to reading WISNIFG. Until I get to that point in the book, what are some good strategies for STFU? Is it literally just shut up and walk away? Or just give “dead end” responses?
Thanks for your insight, much appreciated.
FereallyRed 7y ago
Still way too much engagement with wife when she comes off the rails.
Leave the fucking house.
Remember to game your wife and play your nice card every day, regardless of yesterday's issues. Don't let resentment build... you're doing all this for YOU, remember.
Mr_ChocCoveredBanana 7y ago
That makes sense, thanks for the insight. Game is definitely an area I need to improve in.
Is this something that I can do that might be viable if she goes against what I say? I know removing the carrot is a good way to encourage good behavior, would leaving the house work in that scenario?
weakandsensitive 7y ago
You should make a different account because you are shadow banned.
Mr_ChocCoveredBanana 7y ago
Yeah, I think it’s because I tried to make two comments too quickly. I mailed the Admin team. Thanks for letting me know
rocknrollchuck 7y ago
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Good idea, but I would focus on WISNIFG instead. You can see your need for it displayed clearly by what you wrote here:
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When I Say Very Little, I Feel Anxious.
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This isn't being the Captain. The Captain works harder than everyone else.
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So you admit you contributed to the mess, yet were unwilling to take the lead and help clean it up? Granted, your wife should not be yelling at you but is it possible that she has a point?
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This comes off as the butthurt silent treatment to me when I read this. I'm pretty sure that's how she saw it too.
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You're right, it's not her fault. IT'S YOURS. You aren't resenting your wife for desiring a beta male as much as you're resenting YOURSELF for being a mindless, supplicating beta male. You're projecting that onto her to avoid the truth about yourself.
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Realize that the whole problem right now is that you're not doing your part. You will continue to get pulled into (pointless?) arguments like this until you step up and handle your business. For anybody who is new here, you should be so busy getting stuff done that you don't even have time for these kinds of discussions or arguments. You should be knocking out so many chores and projects that your wife should be trying to step in and do some of them before you do everything. She should be wondering what she can do to contribute and help because you're doing so much. Now this is obviously not what you want do do forever, but at the beginning you need to set up a new dynamic and get some wins under your belt. So what would you do if you were single? You would be doing ALL of it anyway. So do that for now. When your wife sees that the changes are for real, she will probably step in and help without you saying anything.
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As you step up and knock out what needs to be done, your withdrawal will provide the space naturally for her to seek out your affection. Make her wait until you're finished with what you're working on at that moment (unless she's clearly offering sex at that moment - don't be autistic). Your affection is not unconditional and she can't bitch that you're not doing your part and then try and stop you when you are (but she WILL try). WOTSM is the best book to read for understanding and developing this affection and working it into your dynamic naturally, but read WISNIFG first.
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is not. Cheating concerns aside, if you're in a financial position where $800 has to be saved up for something that is needed and is not something you can just pay out of pocket or put on a credit card and be done with it, chances are her frustration is more about your incongruence in the area of financial responsibility. She hears you going on about being serious about saving, and then sees you go to a club and blow a bunch of money on drinks. That's not what a responsible Captain would do, and it undermines any feeling of financial security that she would have had by being responsible and saving.
Mr_ChocCoveredBanana 7y ago
Yeah, I definitely should have done the dishes, there’s no denying that. Something I’ve been doing this week is just making sure the kitchen/dining room area is clean before I hit the hay. She keeps thanking me for that, and I keep telling her I just want a clean house. I’m going to real take
to heart and run with it, at least for a while. What resource(s) might talk about the end game of this strategy?
She told me she was furious that I spent money at a club, and I admitted that I was wrong. I’m normally very good about not spending but that night I was stressed about the separation and, like a literally drunken captain, I broke down.
Question: I plan on starting WISNIFG today, and I’m sure that book goes over this. I know DEERing and arguing is bad, but is there ever a time that having a calm discussion with her about why things are done is okay? I guess that sort of falls under the category of rationalizing and/or explaining, but Idk. If it’s not okay to have those discussions, are there any posts/books that go over strategies to avoid these discussions, or is it just STFUing that does it?
Thank you for your response.
HornsOfApathy 7y ago
This isn't a fucking strategy, dude. It's being a better man and Captain. You don't do the dishes for weeks because it's a strategy. That's a covert contract. Damn. Get your shit together man and just do more fucking work that you already know you need to do.
Mr_ChocCoveredBanana 7y ago
Solid point. I’m overthinking it. I appreciate the input
rocknrollchuck 7y ago
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Like u/HornsOfApathy said, this isn't a strategy, it's a way of life. But what you're looking for is The Captain's Mindset. Remember, as you retake the wheel and start steering the ship like an actual Captain, your wife will be trailing behind on a 1,000 ft rope. As the rope tightens, the dynamic should change as she begins to step up as well. But there's no guarantee that will happen either. For now just do your part and don't worry about her part.
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There will be a time, but it won't be for a while.
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WISNIFG has the verbal jiu-jitsu techniques you'll need for dealing with the conversations. The rest is just learning to STFU the right way so you don't come off as an autistic mute.
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BTW, you are definitely shadow banned. I did not receive a notification of your response to my original comment. I would make a new account next week and start fresh since you have minimal time invested in this username.
Mr_ChocCoveredBanana 7y ago
That’s a treasure trove of knowledge right there. I’m eager to dive in. Thank you for taking the time to find those posts/comments.
Yeah, I know. I mailed the Admins and they said they lifted the ban. Thanks for the heads up though
weakandsensitive 7y ago
Did they? All your posts were removed again... it's weird.
Mr_ChocCoveredBanana 7y ago
They lifted it but I tried to reply to two comments within a short time frame. When I posted the second comment it said something to the effect of “you’re doing that too much try again in 7 minutes”. I checked if I was shadowbanned immediately after and it said I am. I mailed them again, but I have other accounts that are okay so I might use one of them.
rocknrollchuck 7y ago
That IS weird. I checked earlier and all his comments were removed. Now I get a notification for that comment that was made 12 hours ago, and all his other comments are back.
weakandsensitive 7y ago
i had to approve manually
Mr_ChocCoveredBanana 7y ago
Admin got back to me, said he lifted the ban and “updated the source so it won’t happen automatically again”. Should be good now
weakandsensitive 7y ago
This one worked no problem
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Own My Shit Week 13
35 / 6' / 258lbs (-20) / 23% BF (-7%) Navy Method
My mission is to cultivate and sustain meaningful relationships by constantly bringing value.
5x5 - 300 SQ / 205 BP / 225 BR / 165 OHP | 315x5 + 405x1 DL
NMMNG | 16CoP | WISNIFG | TRM Vol. 1, 2 & 3 | BoP | MAP | MMSLP | 48 Laws | Bang! (reading)
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Booze:
I feel like a big, awkward, fucktard in social situations without the booze. People come up to say "Hi" with a smile on their face. And I look at them emotionless while I shake their hand, like a goddamn psychopath. I don't know if I have feigning excitement in me.
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Get BF under 15%:
I wasn't on my game as much as I should and could have been last week. I'm going to work on being more accurate with my calorie tracking.
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Build an indefatigable frame:
I've been internally asshurt because I felt like the frame goal posts kept getting moved on me in here. But it's time I admit that I must not understand frame in the slightest. Other than that I'm 100% in my wife's. Being dismissive, angry and dominant from a place of insecurity isn't controlling the frame, it's just—unattractive.
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Self Awareness:
I've been really angry for the last couple of months. I've never been the type to outwardly express anger before this, I've always bottled it up. It was so bad that right after I finished the Rational Male, I got rear-ended at a red light on my way home from the grocery store. I got out of my pickup, walked back there, and yelled at the motherfucker because he broke my eggs.
Which is ironic, because the eggs cost about $3 and the repairs to my pickup were over $3,000.
I now realize that I was angry at myself. I was angry because the female sexual strategy was right under my nose my whole marriage--and I didn't see it. I am the classic nice guy, placating provider. My wife gives zero fucks about me—and probably found herself some alpha fucks at one point or another. I can't prove it but I believe my gut, and that shit pissed me off. I was angry because I believed I was entitled to be loved the way I wanted to be loved.
But I am unattractive, so that's never going to happen unless I fix myself first. I was angry because I believed that by giving all my time, resources, attention, and caring more about my wife's needs than my own, I could fulfill the both of us. And how what I'd sacrificed would never be appreciated or reciprocated like I thought it should. Almost everything I knew about the workings of my relationship was wrong, and I felt stuck holding the shit end of the stick. Even though I knew I was the only one who could change it, I still felt like a victim.
But that anger is gone, and it's turned into an odd kind of selfish apathy. I don't care what she does. That nagging feeling to know what's in her phone is gone. She has the choice to do whatever she wants, but so do I. I don't care if this selfish apathy is good or bad, being able to laugh when she's angry at me is the most freeing things I've ever experienced. This shit's all about me now.
Become the best father I'm capable of becoming: My kids don't listen, and the chaos I let them create drives me nuts. I need to research parenting strategies on this. Lately, when things are chaotic and I feel like I am going to lose it, I envision this massive granite-faced mountain. Think el cap or half dome. All the screaming, yelling, fighting, crying, shitting, and whining does nothing to that fucking mountain. Everything just bounces off of it, and the mountain doesn't even notice. It's big, it's strong, it's forever, there's a safe place to hide at the base of it that protects you from the elements. I want to be that mountain for my family. Enough of the romantic symbolism, now I need to figure out how to get them to pick their shit up before I get home from work.
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Build an empire:
I need to spend less time plotting, and more time taking action. The biggest problem here is me.
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Dread Levels 1, 2 & 3:
I've been seriously thinking about Dread Level 4. The sex really picked up after the first month, but she's been turning me down a whole lot more lately. In fact, she's turning me down more than before I started. Now I'm not here because I wasn't getting sex, I'm here to get better sex and make myself a better man.
I think turning me down is more about power than anything else. Level 4 makes sense to me, she displays behavior I don't like and that's when I disengage and remove my attention. Not in a butthurt or angry way, I just have better shit to do than be around a nag that doesn't want to put out.
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man_in_the_world 7y ago
Become an Oak, not just a Rock.
[deleted] 7y ago
You can't burn down a mountain.
man_in_the_world 7y ago
Can't grow it bigger, stronger, or better, either.
[deleted] 7y ago
Valid point.
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I was thinking about you the whole time.
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I agree, 23% is too low. I've been measuring my belly and entering it into a Navy Method calculator.
I used the calculator you posted on u/ImNotSlash 's OYS and it gave me an even 30% using my stats and current bench/squat. That would mean I'm 180lbs lean, 258 x 0.7 = 180.6. Right?
Yea, the apathy I wrote about is letting all that shit go. And it's freeing.
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I'm already seeing small flashes of it in my reflection, and can't wait to see more.
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So the Navy Method (23%), my Gym's Analyzer (26%), and the calculator you posted (30%), are all wrong.
But you know how much lean body mass I have?
I'm going to enjoy proving you wrong, I'm not the butterball you think I am.
[deleted] 7y ago
OYS #3 (discovered MRP on 4/19/19) Last OYS
Stats: 35yo, 6’3”, 195lbs, BF 16% (NAVY), (SL5x5 week 4). Married 12ys (together 16). 3yr old kid.
Reading List: Finished NMMNG and MMSLP, currently reading WISNIFG.
Follow Up: followed through on both short-term goals from last week, keep making progress on my long-term goals. I was not as focused on my reading as I wanted to be this past week. Weekend autism is a thing.
Physical: Still skinny fat (man boobs). Still calorie restricting while lifting. I am still WAF. Lifting with SL5x5 (so far so good). No drugs (17yrs sober), alcohol (8 months sober), nicotine (7yrs sober), porn (15 months sober) or regular coffee (2 months sober). I had better results with the scale this week, but still not where I want to be physically. After trying on some clothes, I can fit in L or XL tops and M or L bottoms, so all my XXL probably needs to go to long term storage.
Finances: Love my Job. Finished FPU videos. Debt snowball continuing (damn student loans). Budget got blown a bit this past week with graduation gifts and parties.
Relationships: Marriage is still GHASTLY. Still separated and I am fighting to be the best me for me. Not sure if I read it in MRP or MMSLP but I remember reading something along the lines of after a few weeks of lifting that GHASTLY would want to join a gym too because of my newb results. This happened this past week (not actually joining a gym because that requires commitment, but the conversation of her wanting to) and I just STFU with a smile. Relationship with the kid is fantastic. Fun with extended family this past week with graduations and what not.
Goals: LIFT, READ, STFU. Keep new morning schedule of MWF lifts, TRS read, STFU and read more every day. Post in OYS next week. Use this long-term separation to my benefit by doing the above, get me right, spend every day with the kid and become more attractive. Some short-term goals, start new protein plan (cottage cheese night before I lift) and finish my long term project at work before Memorial day weekend.
Questions: 1) Any good resources for proper Dead Lift form? 2) Any good resources to fix a yellow yard? Bermuda grass got fertilized without water, so its GHASTLY too.
donmcde 7y ago
Google the 5 step deadlift setup. Allan Thrall has a good video on it.
The Art of Manliness also did a video with Mark Riptote on proper deadlift form
TurdDoctor 7y ago
I've been slammed at work and haven't had much time for chasing pussy this week but I have done a lot of self assessment.
1.) This post by Reach180 really got me in the gut and I've been thinking about it all week. Here's a guy whose wife pretty much gives it up on demand but he's not happy because she's not wanting to give IT ALL TO HIM BY HER OWN CHOICE. I get that and struggle with the same thing. I want to feel desired by my woman. Desire = hot passionate sex with emotion= fireworks, instead of just plain old orgasm.
But where does this come from? I think this comes from wanting validation and puts me inside her head. I should stay the hell out of her head and just do what I want. Why the hell do I care what's inside her head anyway, she doesn't even know what's in there, why should I care?
I think it's also pursuing love in the way I want to be loved, which she is incapable of doing (Rational Male 101 stuff). In my opinion, pursuing desired sex vs sex is kind of like putting the pussy back on the pedestal.
2.) Perseus said something that stuck in my head all week as well. He essentially said that my wife and I were not matured sexually. I have to admit that he's right. I was a faggot for so many years that I never fully grew up sexually and my sex life was/is vanilla for a reason. Maybe that's part of why I chose to marry her and tolerated the situation for so long. No more.
man_in_the_world 7y ago
This is fundamentally a reactive, in some sense beta, viewpoint; good sex is given by the actively desiring woman to the passively receiving man. SGM preaches a more proactive view in which the man leads to hot passionate sex through DEVI. IMO, too many men here look to Dread and attraction to cover for their own failings as lovers.
Great insight! I'm saving this!
Reach180 7y ago
Might be true, or it might be someone rationalizing not pursuing what he wants.
I'm straddling the same fence right now, so I don't have the answer. But hand waving about validation always sounds a lot like giving up.
Reach180 7y ago
To wit, /u/TurdDoctor :
There was a time my wife wouldn't send nude Snaps. And I really wanted her to. And I fully admit that, while the nudes are nice, I mostly liked the thought of bringing this wall down. I mean, I can see my wife's naked tits any time I want to. I can pull up pics on my phone of better tits, and look at those. So why did I want these? Why did I want nudes of my wife?
How often do we ask the question here "do you really want X, or do you just want the validation"
The validation ascetic would tell me "You only want these, because of the validation you get from receiving them. This is your wife showing you that you are good enough, hot enough, <whatever> enough....to deserve them."
But, after having brought the wall down, I still get off on her sending me nude pics. Usually the validation seeker gets tired of the same old validation. Box = checked, move on to bigger and better validation highs. What gives?
I think a number of things. I like the dominance/submission aspect. I like being able to say "send me your tits", and have her do it. I like the idea of her getting out of a meeting to go into the bathroom and pull her tits out and take a picture for me. Is being aroused by this type of dominance just me being validated?
Since this boundary came down, it continues to be a positive aspect of my sex life. We both have enjoyed it. If she sends them unrequested, I like knowing that she's thinking about fucking me during the day. And if I'm requesting them, I like planting the seed in her head about what she's going to do to me later. It usually makes for better sex when we get home.
So this is a net positive for both of us. And yet, I could have easily been convinced that "validation" was the only reason I pursued this in the first place. It rings true when I think back to how I wanted them before I started getting them. But I would be missing out on the positives if I had just allowed myself to be convinced that wanting to engage in this type of dominance was just me seeking validation, and that I always need to steer clear of the validation monster.
For me at least, blaming validation was a nice way to convince myself that I was being virtuous by giving up on something I wanted.
lighthouse143 7y ago
OYS 1
Stats/Lifts: -
20 years old Discovered RP two years ago, been off/on lurking 5’ 10”, 163 lbs., around 13% BF (+/-2%) Bench: 190 lbs. (x5) Incline: 115 lbs. (x12) Squat: 185 lbs. (x8) OHP: 95 lbs. (x8)
Mission:
Struggling to formulate something here. All I have is a vague idea of what I want: I want to be able to travel (fiscal/education). I want to be the leader of my relationships with women (social). I want to have established relationships with my clients (fiscal/social). I want to have a creative, physical, and mental hobby I can pursue my entire life (mental). Each 'I want' is followed by bullet points and steps I must complete along the way to get to that point. Which is what I’m working towards now.
Physical:
Not impressed with my lift progress the past few weeks. Yesterday I failed to bench something I was doing a month ago, confused and upset. My squat form taught me I have knee valgus and I’ve been doing resistance band exercises to improve muscle coordination. After deloading I was almost at a point where I could bench more than I could squat. depressing.
Mental:
Been all over the place. It’s shitty to recognize a need for validation after reading so many trp posts, yet I can’t get over the fact that I want to feel needed. By something or someone. Most of this comes from childhood, yet I’m not sure what to do about it. My rationalization is that we’re social creatures, so it’s fine to want validation from others. I seem hit lows when I’m not receiving any acknowledgment from friends/girls/family.
Relationship/sex:
Broke up with 1.5 years LTR 4 weeks ago. She was fun, but it was better for both of us. I was never honest about marriage/children and always diffused the situation. Eventually, she got the idea and said she doesn’t see a point staying in the relationship if she isn’t going to marry me. I said OK, nothing I can do about that. She wanted to remain friends. I told her we were never speaking again. No contact since. Read to treat a breakup like depression and got over it quick. Been starting online apps, no meetups or dates yet. Desire to be wanted is worse now than it has been in a while. Reading ‘day bang’. Ultimately want to start spinning plates. Approach an HB8 2 weeks ago and got #, told me she has a boyfriend and ghosted, no approaches since. Home from college for summer in a city where I know few people. Finances:
Have long accepted the fact that I’ll be broke until I’m 27-30. Undergrad + grad school will be paid off by the time I’m 30 if my clinic does well. Enjoy envisioning financial success and looking forward to being debt-free.
Things to work on:
Need to start asking myself: “Is this helping me towards my dream lifestyle?” when I’m wasting time Need to spend less time on social media Need to find a mission Reread NMMNG I have so much free time this summer, I can improve a lot, and I need to be more disciplined
man_in_the_world 7y ago
Make some friends and spend time with them, faggot!
Stop looking to women to fill the holes in your life and your soul. No woman truly wants that man, or that role.
lighthouse143 7y ago
Yup, need to make new friends in this city for sure. Only here for a few months, but I definitely need others around to keep me sane.
Brutally true. Need to change my hard-wiring
FoxShitNasty83 7y ago
Make nmmng a priority, read it 10 times. I'm on my second. And scheduled once a month now to read.
FinancialLeopard5 7y ago
OYS # 3 OYS # 2 (#1 here)
Things are going fine.
Wife is travelling for work. Will be back next Sunday.
It's me and my daughter only.
I've started in a job last Monday. After 4 years as SAHD as some of you read. Anxiety controlled a LOT.
When I was a SAHD and my wife would travel I was almost having panick attacks. Also, with this new job, I'm trying to get busy 100% of the time, so I don't think about what's happening and focus on me.
The job is... Meh. Fuck that. I'm returning to the market and would accept even lower salary. Thus it allows me to take my daughter at school (it's like 20/30 min from my house).
Lifting, reading a lot.
I stopped reading MMSLP and reading MAP. After that I'll return to SLP.
I'm doing fine!!!
Still have overthinking thoughts about the wife and try to please her even far away... You can see my cry baby post at askmrp.
I wanted a lot to go to gym today but since it's me and my daughter, tomorrow I'll let her in grandpa's house and get after gym.
Wife is texting me, but most of the times to talk to our daughter, but is sending me some texts in the evening/afternoon.
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For next week/month/year:
Focus on ME. Focus on ME. STFU. Focus on ME. Don't let her emotions or lack of emotions disturb me.
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That's it.
Getting after it.
SteelSharpensSteel 7y ago
I see posts like this, from our erstwhile plunger boy, and can’t help but think: Where is this guys frame?!? He has no frame. Frame is dread one, it’s the first step, but when I see stuff like “trying to please the wife even though she’s far away” it’s clear there is no frame.
FinancialLeopard5 7y ago
Absolutely right bro. I didn't get the frame definition yet... i meant the "core" principle of it .Or some examples..but I'll get this shit
silversum1 7y ago
OYS
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Age: 29 Height: 71in Weight: 171lb BF: 16% (navy method)
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Physical
Been having fun in the gym, after the write-up by u/Red-Curious I downloaded the bodbot app and it has definitely helped me address a few weak-spots in my lifting, namely my abs which I had largely ignored to this point, but also strengthening my shoulders which has helped my rotator cuff issue. The cool part about bodbot is you can easily switch the workouts to a home vs gym workout which I've utilized twice when I have an exceptionally busy day. I have been in a cut the last month and a half following my bulk over the winter season. I have since dropped from my peak of 179lbs down to 171lbs while being able to retain my strength gains. 171 is still up from when I started at 160. However my muscles are really starting to pop now that my BF is coming down. I'm not down to the 10% i need to be at to really look shredded, but I'm confident I will be there in the next two months if I stick to my diet plan.
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Financial
After reading through u/ImNotSlash 's write up on financials I have entered all the pertinent information into slash. Utilizing some other resources and tracking my mortgage and average income I have set up a plan to pay down my house so that I can get rid of my PMI within two years. I don't regret having PMI because shortly after I purchased my home some local factors increased my houses value by $40,000 over night, putting me in an excellent position financially. Now that I have tracked my finances it has been easy to set this up, glad this is on track so that in about a year and a half I will not only have an excellent savings built up, but my monthly expenditure for my house will be down to a point I can hopefully make a career change.
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Career
A good segue into my career. As far as performance at work I have been consistently killing it. A commission based job is an excellent feed-back loop for owning the rest of my life. The only issue is that I have maxed out my potential there, and don't see it as a long-term position anymore. It is a consistent 60 hour work week, and will always require me to work weekends and on minor holiday's (like 4th of July, Memorial day, etc.) and the necessities of the job dictate I will always work those days. I have decided that this will not make me happy for the rest of my life. So I have been researching possible new career paths. My plan is to use this job to pay down my mortgage for the next two years, while simultaneously begin taking classes for something else. Nursing is my top choice at the moment because of the shorter work weeks and high income. There are two excellent programs available to me locally to pursue this.
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LTR
My efforts to step up and lead us both has really yielded some positive outcomes, and have put me in a much better position than when I started this journey. A few positive highlights:
-She has looked to me for advice and input regarding her career. After some coaching from me she started and finished a Medical Assisting program over this last year. This resulted in a much more stable and better paying job then the waitress positions she had pursued. Moreover after she was placed in a position requiring a 30 minute commute one way, I encouraged her to find a job more local; she starts that new position in two weeks, saving us both time and money.
-Drinking; Don't have to look far back to find the tribulations that arose from her drinking issues. After the last shitty night, I gave her a choice between myself or sobriety. This resulted in a straight 4 months of not a drop. I've now allowed her to have a couple drinks at special events, but she regularly checks with me if it is okay, and has a set limit of three beverages. This isn't an ideal situation, but it's a vast improvement from where we started.
-Health; after seeing my results from the gym, she has begun going to yoga consistently, and has approached me for help on lifting in general. She has also started meal prepping on her weekend and on board with a clean diet.
-Finances; The most recent improvement. While I was getting my own in order, she was asking questions about what I was doing. This naturally translated into me setting up a spreadsheet for her to use, and a plan to pay off her credit card in an efficient matter. I have also encouraged her use of coupons (she gets a kick out of finding good deals) and have made it fun for both of us
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Overall
I'm not where I want to be, but I am developing a more clear picture of what I want my life to be like, and my LTR has been falling in line. I have made good progress, but still have a ways to go in all area's. I ordered the book The Unchained Man that was brought up by u/Rpeed in the recent MRP post, and look forward to using it to categorize and attack my goals.
redPillOnHard 7y ago
Life Goal - Kick life in the ass. Be my own judge.
Still living with a lot of DGAF. I'm working to drive my life vs reacting. I need to revisit my map and set some specific goals.
Health - Goal: 10% BF. Black Belt in BJJ. Live pain free.
Ht: 6'4" Wt: 235 BF: 14%
I'm in a good place physically. Weight is holding steady at the lowest I've been in 20 years. BF is probably \~12%. I need to lose another 10, but where I'm at is the new normal.
Going to my 20 year college reunion next week. It will be good to see my buddies, but from pics I see online, they aren't looking as healthy as I am. One buddy said his wife commented on on of the pics my wife posted of me, that I am "jacked".
My wife was at a work event, and she told me multiple ladies came up to her and told her that her husband is "hot". I asked her to pass me their numbers with a shit grin. The SMV tables have turned...
Finances -Goal: Year salary in relatively liquid cash and investments along with retirement accounts and option to retire by 55.
Goals:
Finished my end of April review this morning. Had a few overages personally, because of a vacation we took, but those weren't unexpected. I let the wife know where she went over her budget and that I would be transferring money from "her" account to cover it. I need to do this analysis sooner toward the beginning of the month going forward.
Parenting - Goal: Raise healthy, curious, active kids. Model these qualities for them. Engage in activities with each of them that they are passionate about.
Goals:
Wife was out of town for 5 days. I handled kids, activities, meals, and the whole house in general like a boss. I have a great handle on shit, and don't really need her for much. Toward the end of the trip, I was a bit tired of being a bus driver for school and activities, and I didn't have enough dedicated time to tackle any large work projects. I did schedule a sitter a couple nights and got in BJJ and a cigar/beer evening with a buddy.
I am totally capable of single parent life. I do like having the wife around. Less dishes to do, less driving, someone to tease and joke around with, and a hot body in bed at night, but I know all those functions are replaceable if necessary.
Frame - Goal: To not measure myself by others opinions.
Goals:
I booked a fun trip for me and some buddies. I know I will get shit tested over this. It has started, and will get stronger until said trip. So far I've handled them good. This scenario is a bit of a hot button for me when I was full beta. I never did these things. I always had to ask permission. Now I just book it. I'm still fighting the mental side, but outwardly, there aren't any cracks.
Sex - Goal: Active and fun sex life. Initiate whenever I feel like it no butt hurt over rejection.
Goal:
Wife was out of town most of the week. She went out of her way to take care of me well before she left. There was a new vibe to this. I was very busy and didn't reach out to her. She wanted attention from afar, and sent me sexy pics multiple times. This is very new for her. Never gotten pics on that level before. No success since she got back, but I've been busy and to be honest, not that interested. However, she has been a bit bitchy today. I may sling some dick her way later.
BarracudaRP 7y ago
OYS #22 (60 DoD post 6)
Mood: I've been focused on eliminating my anger and shitty mood, and saw some success this week. I've also been supplementing with b12 and using an artificial sunlight lamp during mornings at home. Keeping my ego in check is helping me get through some stressful times.
Speaking of Ego: when I'm in a bad mood, or feeling butthurt, or horny - my brain craves the validation we'd get from a few quick swipes on tinder. Maybe a couple flirty texts, man that would feel so good from a pretty girl, wouldn't it? So, I have intentionally avoided tinder for the last several months. (But it's almost sundress season, so my tinder haitus may end soon)
Fitness: I'm on week 4 of higher reps at lower weights; I'm liking the results so far. I'm moving more total weight in each workout, and the soreness tells me that my body isn't used to this, which is perfect.
Finances: we are sticking to this budget better than ever, because I'm taking ownership and communicating my plan. Still a long way to go, but we are righting the ship.
Reading: Day Bang by Roosh; valuable, but some of the content is cringey.
Goals for next week:
Finish paperwork for side hustle: I hit the career (day job) step I was aiming for this week, but I still haven't prioritized the action I need to take on my side hustle. That's bullshit, since I the first step will cost me less than $100 and a few hours of time. I will execute on that by this time next week.
Enjoy the hell out of Memorial Day weekend, with my kids, away from screens: my options are limited this weekend, but I'm determined to not let my kids spend the unofficial start of summer in front of an iPad.
SBIII 7y ago
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My wife was away this weekend - on Friday, I watched porn and cracked one out for the first time in over 6 months. On Saturday, I woke up feeling drained - zero energy, crappy mood.. never made the connection between the two until I read your post.
HornsOfApathy 7y ago
OYS #27
MRP journey is 10 months now.
37 yo, 6’0, 161lbs (+1.0lb this week), 9.5% BF, married 4, together 7, kids 2 & 12
225SQ (265 2-rep) / 245DL (265 4-rep) / 95 OHP / 165 BR / 140BP
Read everything on the sidebar, reread as necessary.
What’s up motherfuckers! I’m doing well still. Life going awesome and my dick is sore.
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RELATIONSHIP
I predicted another test/shitstorm last week and it rang true. It lasted a full day, then things were back to the niceness for the rest of the week. On Friday she pulled some shit of “I am not doing anything tonight just so you know – you can’t just come to bed and do it every night now” That statement rubbed me the wrong fucking way.
After hearing that declaration of her holding the pussy card – oh, we fucked for sure after she said that – I went full primal beast mode on her. I literally thought in my head: “Lolz, like you could even resist my cock if you wanted to.” This resulted in the most intimate, passionate, deeply primal sex that we’ve ever had. It was great. Things I’d thought in the back of mind formed flawless words in the heat of it all. “You just need some dick every single fucking night, don’t you?” and “If I had only known you loved dick so much….” And “I should have known you just wanted to be fucked when you came to bed.” And then I dropped a big bomb:
“From now on, you’re getting fucked when I decide you’re going to be fucked.” (bolded because I raised my voice nearly yelling – which I never do – all the whilst fucking her)
I couldn’t believe what came out of my mouth, and much less the sudden gush of wet pussy that drenched me. She was drenched. I was too. I told her she needed to get used to this every night. Gush again.
That created a decent weekend but Sunday the shit test started against my frame for saying those things. That lasted 2 days. She threatened to leave again which is her default napalm shit test. So, on Monday I told her she had been a bad girl and came on her face.
I failed a basic shit test Sunday night. I heard all day how she was sleeping in the other room (a common test for her). Going to bed, after she had started being sweet and submissive again she came to me and hugged me saying, “I just don’t want to move my stuff out of the other room tonight it’s so late so I’m going to sleep in there.” What bullshit.
Something went haywire inside me – maybe I lost frame or I’m finding a new one... I just got up and said, “Get the fuck in bed.” And left to get her shit out of the other room, brought it in ours. Failed shit test. But she still slept in our bed. Probably should have just let her go. This one is a fucking basic RP 101 shit test that I’ve passed so many times, but whatever. Reset next day.
Generally, my relationship has been much better. I have a submissive cock loving wife for 85% of the time, and horrid bitch shit tester the other. I can deal with that – that’s fair. I’m not really getting shit tested except when I fuck up. Fair enough. Comfort tests all the time. I like passing those because it reminds me she’s just a little girl.
The dynamic of power of sex has shifted to me now. I have a lot of late night activities (lifting/sports) that don’t get me home until 9-10pm at night a lot of nights. That means sexual sessions are going until 12-1am which creates a sleep problem. My wife complains about the lack of sleep. Never a direct complaint about the sex, just the timing. My wife informed me she can’t resist me anymore because “I know how to make her horny”. And then we stay up late fucking. I must be a better steward of our health and sleep – and make sure my little slut gets sleep. That’s adorable.
FAMILY
Relationship with son is going much better. We listened to all the Jocko Willink books for kids – they’re actually pretty good and very RP! We’ve finished 2 books in a couple of weeks. Wife continues to try and do nice things for son, and I can see her disciplining the 2yo who annoys him sometimes. Generally, there is some improvement here I need to lead more by planning activities with and without my wife that include my son. She got upset when she realized she didn’t wash his baseball jersey in time and dropped everything to do it immediately.
After lifting one night my son did the unspeakable and complimented me on my body: “Nice Pecs, Dad! You did upper body didn’t you?” Right in front of my wife. Who’s never said a word about my progress, ever. “Yeah, son. I did upper body, how’d you know?”. He replied, “You look huge dad!” First time my son has ever said something as well. Was unexpected and nice. Wife had deer in headlights look like a huge secret was out. Hilarious.
SOCIAL
Went to the neighborhood pool with the kids and this was the first time I’ve been in public with my shirt off. As soon as she left, three ex-THOTs in their 40’s appeared at the pool. They swarmed me. Clear IOI’s from two of them. The hotter of the two (post wall HB8 in her 40’s) kept trying harder with me. Compliments, adjusting her top, etc. Coming in close. Touched my shoulders. Then slapped my ass. I DNGAF. Later as I was leaving, she “needed some help” and as I walked over and helped, she asked if I wanted her number. I replied, “Maybe I’ll see you around here sometime.” And walked away.
Is this what you fuckers who are 6”+ and 185+ experience everyday? What the fucking fuck? Eye opening for me. Especially getting stare downs. I’ve never really had women approach me so forcefully before. It felt like my first taste of Alpha Fucks.
MISSION
I’m still trying to craft my new mission. I do find that the better my relationship gets, the more I am focused on my mission because I have extra headroom to think about it. That’s backwards as fuck. But, it is what it is. When things are going well, I have ample energy to get shit done towards a goal, but her moods are still affecting my general energy levels and motivation. That’s not good, so I’ll have to work on that by trying to set daily goals for myself. I work hard as fuck at everything around the house and with my family, but it’s not my mission.
SBIII 7y ago
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Your mission should precede everything and take top priority. It should effect you relationships, not be effected by them.
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That's the official line.
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Reality is different though and missions can take time to pin down - definitely easier to do it when you've some clear headspace. I spent a long time working on mine and had it 90% down but it wasn't until I read "Unchained Man" that I sat down and made it both concrete and actionable. I've recommended this book before and I'll do it again... just ignore the MGTOW aspect and read the chapters on mission forming, goal setting & time management - they are fucking excellent.
[deleted] 7y ago
All sounds good with you. I'm just now starting to form in my head what I want out of life. How that translates into a mission is going to take time. Not sure if it's the same with you, but I lived for so long for everyone else, I really had no idea who I was and what I wanted. Hell, I still don't fully know, but am quickly learning what it is that makes me tick.
red-sfpplus 7y ago
You clearly have never had a coke filled, or addy filled sex session with a woman.
HornsOfApathy 7y ago
Yeah, not really my jam.
But it does create a sleep problem when we're only getting 5 hours of sleep 7 nights a week.
red-sfpplus 7y ago
Please read this book. It is changing my entire life.
https://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Sleep-Unlocking-Dreams/dp/1501144316
HornsOfApathy 7y ago
Seems to get some good praise. I've got some audible credits I've been dying to spend.
Why is it changing your life?
red-sfpplus 7y ago
Well, I might have spoken a little to extreme.
I do have poor sleep habits which I am working to address. Esp when I do not have my kids. But that is still something I am adjusting to.
Understanding how sleep works, NREM, REM, etc and how the brain stores information has perhaps help to motivate me to not trash it so hard.
Being a smoking hot 40 year old high SMV single man is hard, not going to lie. Lots of sex to be had and vodka to drink.
Mix in a healthy dose of competitive work, and you can see where someone might put a low value to sleep.
Honestly, the sleep has helped far more with lifting recovery than anything.
[deleted] 7y ago
Ever heard of Provigil? People who don't want to sleep, but would prefer to fuck, drink Vodka and work use it in Silicon Valley. Heard about it on Joe Rogan and still haven't tried it.
red-sfpplus 7y ago
No. I am tradcon man. Just give me my good old trusty stims.
60mg of Vyvanse at 7am and 20mg of IR Addy at lunch on days I really wanna get shit done. I can still be in bed by 9pm if I stick to the schedule...
On weekends when the gal and I have no kids...All bets are off...
Let me know which podcast of Joe's he talks about it. Would like to hear it.
[deleted] 7y ago
I think I might take the jump. I need to crush at work and get all the shit done. This is probably a good place to start for a crash course https://youtu.be/mSOIZvSKEgI.
Pretty sure it's buried in the full podcast https://youtu.be/I02ddD3D96I
red-sfpplus 7y ago
Thanks for the link.
My advice, be careful with stims....If you have an addictive personality like I do, if you are not careful you will be snorting Vyvanse off your girls asshole at 2am on a Sunday morning.
10/10 would recommend, if she is shaven...
15/10 would recommend putting a ring on her if she does it in return lmao.
Srs. though, be careful.
[deleted] 7y ago
I love when she complains that I keep her up all night fucking. Last night was one of those nights for me. Good shit man, sounds like things are going well. Keep it up and don't get complacent.
symbologythere 7y ago
OYS #2
RP since Feb 5 2019 MARRIED 11 years, 2kids Edit: wife and I both 39
Read: MMSLP, WISNIFG, Pook, Rational Male Reading: MAP
LIFTS Deadlift 207 1X5 Bench 185 5X5 Row 125 5X5 OHP 95 5x5 Squat 100 5x5 (starting slow to protect my bad knees)
BF% High. 5’9” 250 lbs
I’m sticking to the plan of lifting, doing better than a week ago with STFU. Still not sure when I’m being shit tested.
Big issue is I’m butt-hurt. I thought I skipped over the anger phase, turns out I hadn’t gotten there yet. Not gaming my wife or making attempts, 100% because I’m butthurt about previous rejections. This is stupid and I’m acting like a pussy. Not sure even recognizing this fact that I’m ready to make a change. I’m a butthurt pussy. I am a butthurt pussy. Last couple nights I thought there was a chance she would initiate (she very rarely does, but it seemed like she might) and I was planning on rejecting her. I thought that would really teach her a lesson. She didn’t initiate, so I didn’t get a chance to show her what a little pansy-waste of a man I’ve become. So I’ve got that going for me, which is nice. I’m still withholding sex to punish her, but she for sure hasn’t noticed that and all I’m doing is making myself more butthurt and confessing it to internet strangers. I have a lot of work to do, right now I’m patting myself on the back for lifting but everything else is going shitty.
[deleted] 7y ago
Stats:
Age: 33; Height: 6 foot; Weight: 175; BF: 9.5% ; Wife: 35, (married 12); Children: 3 kids – 5,7 and 10
Readings: WISNIFG, NMMNG, Rational Male, MMSLP, Way of the Superior Man, How to Win Friends and Influence People, Practical Female Psychology. Currently reading: 48 laws of power, Extreme Ownership and The Tao of Leadership. Added another book called Essentialism to the pile and started chipping away. Been reading more the past week, but not a ton.
Physical / Health
I had to slow down on lifting and training BJJ because I took on a pretty big project at the house. Have you ever used a 1 man auger to dig holes with roots and big rocks underground? Its pretty fucked. I put in 10 sections of fence by myself on Friday and it damn near killed me. I wanted to quit due to physical exhaustion a dozen times but I went hard and got it done. Didn’t seek validation but it came out fucking great and I am proud of myself. I had been neglecting this job for years because I knew it would suck and it did. Nothing feels better than doing something you didn’t want to do. Back to lifting this week, I am pretty much healed up aside from a sunburn and shredded hands.
Career / Finance
Work is good. I am trying to brainstorm a way to come up with a promotion for myself. I essentially need to make up a role that has never existed and then convince my boss to pay me more money and give me a larger budget. I have to actually sit down and come up with all the reasons they would say no and come up with concrete plans to make more money for the company and provide immense value. Right now its in the dreaming phase, but I am going to start writing things down. I am taking my time because I am not in the position to ask for anything because my performance wasn’t stellar the first quarter. I need some big wins and some momentum before I start asking for sit downs. I am planning a lunch with my boss this week to go over my job and give her the rundown on what I actually do because she is pretty clueless. Overall work has been productive and enjoyable again. I realized that doing poorly in my job causes insane amounts of anxiety within me. I don’t like doing anything poorly and if I do I break frame.
I need more money. The fence project and other things took a chunk out of my cash pile. Typically I build my savings up with side work, bonuses and tax returns. Side work has been non-existent the past 6 months and I have been OK with that. Now I might need to actually seek out some side work to start getting some more cash. Typically its all word of mouth and I never look for it.
I took away my wifes credit card and gave her an allowance for grocery shopping etc. I am going to go back to super focus on my finances and pay attention to where my money is going. Since my father died I had just been spending a lot and not really caring, I just wanted to have fun. Fun time is over and I need to get to work so I don’t fuck things up financially. I have no debt but I don’t have a ton of cash to invest or do anything with to make more. I would like to change that.
Relationship / Sex
This was another tough week, but it ended pretty well. I stopped keeping score and tracking how often or how much sex I am getting but its a fuck load. I have been rejecting the sex I don’t want. I can tell its really starting to fuck with her because she has lost all of her power. Last night I knew I was in for a massive comfort test. I prepared myself mentally for the conversation once the kids went to bed. I let her vent for 20 minutes and then stopped her because I was feeling sleepy from listening to her mouth noises. It was 90% comfort 10% shit. Effectively, she is craving more leadership. She wants me to help plan her summer so she isn’t miserable and stuck with the kids 24-7. I want to get them in as many camps as possible and out of the house. She is also stuck with the idea that I am going to leave her. The rope is tight and she thinks I am going to cut the rope. I gave an original timeline of 6 months back in Jan for things to turn around. They absolutely have. Things aren’t where I want them to be, but they are night and day better than last year. She sees the change in me and knows I am a different man. I am consistent and unwavering in my mission. My SMV is at an all time high. I am finally starting to effectively lead my family and be the captain they need. My children are responding well and are generally obedient and not freaking out anymore. Everyone seems to be thriving except for my wife. She feels like a loser who is going to be left behind.
Yesterday she fucked up, either on purpose or accident I don’t know or care. She goes to the gym in the morning and had to be home for 8 so I could go to the office (I go one day a week now). She “forgot” and came home 30 minutes late. I didn’t call her to check up until I started feeling anxious about getting there late because I had shit to do. I almost fucked up, but I simply said “Where are you? What time are you supposed to be home? Oh, well I am sitting in my truck like a retard waiting.” Click. I waited in my truck for 10 minutes and as soon as I saw her pull around the corner I took off. She called me multiple times, but I was listening to a podcast and didn’t want to hear her apologies and deering. She texted me “I forgot your schedule. I am so sorry. I really miss you and I am feeling like a total failure for not remembering to be home for 8. I wouldn’t even have gone to the gym today had I remembered. Sorry I have been a mess for the last week, no excuse just have too much going on and I feel like I can’t do anything right.” I gave her a pass and didn’t bring it up again. She thanked me for not attacking her or browbeating and said she was ashamed of her lack of belief in my love for her. She wants to be healed so she can be the wife I need.
Last night I suggested we look into public school. She doesn’t find homeschooling rewarding and feels “trapped” at home with the kids. She is with them all the time and is starting to lose it. This summer will be an experiment. If the kids are at camp and she is less crazy, more sexually available and less tired etc then I will be making the decision to put them in school the next year. After listening to all of her complaining it made sense to offer this as a solution. Anyone on here done something similar? How did it go with kids going from homeschool to public school?
Back to last night. After she went on and on venting and getting out her feelz, I got up and went inside. I told her I was all done listening and needed to think. After I came back and offered her the solution she brought up some stretch she learned on youtube. I took the opportunity to learn a new stretch from her. Then I made her do a yoga pose that put her ass up in the air. Then I went around the front of her and started pushing on her lower back while she was in the pose. The groans of enjoyment and pain started. I pulled out my cock and face fucked her. She loved it. I fucked her in the yoga pose from behind for a minute and then we took a brief intermission and went upstairs to continue. A mix of slow passionate sex in missionary so she could feel some connection and emotion. Flipped her over and covered her ass with far too much coconut oil because it melted in the jar. She says “You aren’t fucking me in the ass.” to which I ignored. She has said this like 10 times in the past few weeks and I haven’t even brought up anal. Its her last power card and she isn’t using it until she has to. I am not talking about anal anymore with her, she knows I desire it so she won’t give in. When I oiled her up I instructed her to rub her pussy while I rubbed her. I had 2 fingers in her ass and she was about to cum and then realized how much she was enjoying the anal stimulation and immediately clenched hard and said ow. What the fuck? I ignored. We ended up having really good sex and fell asleep intertwined covered in cum and sweat. That is my favorite and we both needed it. I hadn’t fucked her really good like that in probably a week or so.
I realized that I am not controlled or addicted to sex anymore. It's just sex. All of the faking finally worked. She isn’t the prize and she isn’t on a pedestal. She earns my attention with her pussy now. She wants to please me. If she doesn’t want to please me with her pussy then she doesn’t get my attention and for the first time in my life I don’t care. She craves my attention and leadership, I am valuable to her. It used to seem insane to reject sex. It was like turning down water in the desert. Now that I have abundance mentality I never feel like I am too thirsty, I know there is always water that is easily accessible.
threekindsoflucky 7y ago
Yes I have done this and never enjoyed it. Just chiming in to say I hear you brother
[deleted] 7y ago
This is my second run. I did like 20 sections a decade ago but had help. This was torture alone. Good exercise in mental and physical toughness. The fence looks great too.
HornsOfApathy 7y ago
Good progress.
Man, I'll be honest with you - straight up. I've never met a homeschool kid that wasn't a fucking mess socially. In my years of experience coaching lots of youth sports, I can spot homeschool kids from a fucking mile away. They're just.... fucking weird man.
Combined with the fact that your wife feels trapped, and she's a fucking hysterical mess most of the time I can't imagine a scenario where your kids turn out any different than the ones I've met.
But hey man, just telling it to you straight.
If it were me I would be putting them in school to improve their general social skills and giving my wife a mental break. That's three fucking kids that she's been home with for at least 5 years - and also schooling them.
SuperCrazy07 7y ago
I second this. One of my college roommates was homeschooled. Super smart dude. Super nice dude.
But, he got walked all over by everyone. I’m pretty sure he graduated a kissless virgin.
School isn’t just about academics.
[deleted] 7y ago
Once again, he was probably an only child with shitty parents who were too busy working to shape their child. We both work from home and he gets a lot of attention. Our children are not just people who live in our home, they are our future generation and we invest in them as one of the most important things in our lives. Kids are as shitty as you let them be just like women.
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She has been home for 10 years bro, its been a lot. Ill be honest, my kids are very good socially. They aren't the typical sheltered children you see. We don't fit in to most homeschool type settings because the moms are frumpy weirdos with denim jumpers on. The dads are fat faggots who have no lives or social skills. The kids are as weird as they parents. We are fun young parents who expose our children to lots of stuff most kids don't get to be a part of.
Our kids do tons of shit outside the home. Co-ops, play dates, adventures, wrestling, boy scouts, gymnastics etc. They do a lot of shit and do really well socially. My son was the worst, but I found out he just needed more daddy time. Being stuck with bitches all the time doesn't help a little boy or do him favors. I take him to BJJ with me, we wrestle together and we do shit on our own. Man time is important for the boy and now he is thriving. Tons of confidence and he is getting pretty good at wrestling. World of difference from a year ago. He had long hair and people thought he was a girl when next to his sisters. Now he is a little rugged man and I am pretty stoked. I cut his hair off and now I am his barber. Every few weeks I clean him up so he looks clean and handsome. I am teaching him about clothes, shoes and appearance etc.
That doesn't solve the problem my wife has though. She is drowning in children and has shit boundaries. She is working on them and doing self care. The codependent book I had her read blew her fucking mind. Its like the anger stage of red pill and she is pissed at all the people she allowed to use her. She is also taking ownership and mad at herself. She is learning to tell people no and be selfish. Tons of progress has been made but I fear it won't be enough or quick enough. After the summer, we can re-evaluate school. I have been thinking about this for years and might have to make some changes. I fear change, I won't lie.
HornsOfApathy 7y ago
Thanks for all the DEERing.
Sounds like you know what you need to do.
tap0988534 7y ago
I got my wife to read 12 rules by JP. She went full fucking Rambo. Now she makes little needlepoint embroidery of lobsters and hangs them all over the house. I am trying to get her to the point where she can be dispassionately assertive and tell people no without simultaneously feeling outrage that they asked her.
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Mine is able to say no. She feels righteous indignation about it but not unbridled and savage fury. Progress and baby steps.
I am teaching her to NGAF about other people as much. They all want to use us. Everyone is out to take and no one cares about you like I do. I am her protector from the evil and everyone is evil. She is finally seeing that I am the only one who really takes care of her and loves her. She sees everyone as a vulture, and rightly so in my opinion. It's a dangerous world and everyone is playing the game. Everything is just frame and game.
man_in_the_world 7y ago
You're trying to lock her down in a beta codependent bubble. Creepy and unattractive.
[deleted] 7y ago
Explain further? I would like to DEER but I would prefer to learn something.
tap0988534 7y ago
I have a lot of experience here, and it is no different than the way you all talk about game. Without options, you almost always get pwned, and if you don't you get thrown a doggo treat to shut you up. Go apply for 200 jobs, pre-qualify rates as high as you can. Go to 10 interviews that you don't care if you bomb and strut. Don't walk into a promotion negotiation without better offers and a willingness to walk, otherwise I'll just tell you how much I appreciate your drive and dedication, and how over the next year I'll really be watching for you to exceed expectations, and take things to the next level. As a manager, my only job is to retain good workers at the lowest possible pay. This is usually successful, because as workers acquire more skill and experience they rarely acquire the skill to competitively market it. At work an "Atta boy!" is really a "Fuck you" designed to motivate you to stay without a pay increase. Most companies are not even allowed to pay you what you're worth, they are limited on pay increments, it is often possible to double your income on the open market, especially if you've been somewhere 5 years. Best advice is to move every 2-4 years. Always work to hunt from a position of strength (never of desperation) when you have a job to fall back on, you will accept much worse pay, terms, and conditions when you are desperate.
Promotions rarely just happen because you want them. They happen because somebody sees you as a reliable right hand and they bring you along as they move up. If you're being groomed for something you almost always already know it.
hystericalbonding 7y ago
This kind of response is like porn for /u/weakandsensitive
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This is actually my plan. However, I didn't mention it because I have been "planning" to do this for weeks and have done nothing. Too much has been going on. I cleared up some shit, so maybe now I will say in writing that I am going to update my resume by next OYS. That will hopefully keep me on task. I was given this advice almost word for word. Essentially treat work as a plate and go abundance mentality. If I can fuck any company I want (I can, I am fucking awesome and interview like a boss) I should be out fucking with them and running my game to see if I am full of shit or not. Guess what, I am kind of scared to do it. I fear change. Fuck it, I guess I will just do it and stop being a pussy.
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I also need to design myself a portfolio. I am a web designer and developer with no body of work or portfolio. I honestly got my last job with neither. I had a glass of wine with the VP of Marketing and got hired on the spot without permission from her boss (the owner). I asked for a larger salary than they thought I would come in at and gave it to me anyway. 3 year anniversary is today actually.
tap0988534 7y ago
Fear not. A drastic change isn't necessary, but what is necessary is options. Without options you're fucked. You're probably scared that your options will entice you to change, but if they do, then it's because the opportunity is much better.
Are you a primarily a designer or primarily a developer? Does your company build sites for other companies? If you're mostly a dev, then you probably only need a resume. If you're mostly a designer, then your portfolio is your lifeblood, and you need to work to get toward being independent or having your own company.
[deleted] 7y ago
I'm fearful of not being able to find a better job. I work from home and am comfortable in my role. I don't want to stretch myself and be uncomfortable in a new role. A promotion in the same company would be better than moving but I probably won't get a promotion without options, I get it.
I am a mix of all things. I do it all but prefer front end development. Not interested in my own company at the moment. I've done full time freelance and it's nuts. Very little stability. I like the consistent paycheck as I am the only source of income. My good friend owns a web shop and it's not all sunshine and daisys. I don't envy him.
tap0988534 7y ago
Have you thought about jumping into a workflow management or ITSM webtool like salesforce or servicenow? There's a run on servicenow in some markets, and I am hearing rumors of rates as high as $350/hr (up from about $119/hr a year ago). Dev certs run about 5k, and they are basically collections web components configured with a visual programming interface , javascript and REST api. It might be worth a look while you are stretching. Don't forget that as far as tech jobs go (and probably every thing else in life) comfort=death.
[deleted] 7y ago
We use service now and Salesforce. I could easily ask to learn it as a new skill and have them pay for the cert. I am aware that comfort = death and it makes me uncomfortable. I'm working on that and coming up with new projects and ideas to push myself. I got plans for short term. I need plans for mid to long term.