A fundamental core principle here is that you are the judge of yourself. This means that you have to be a very tough judge, look at those areas you never want to look at, understand your weaknesses, accept them, and then plan to overcome them. Bravery is facing these challenges, and overcoming the challenges is the source of your strength.
We have to do this evaluation all the time to improve as men. In this thread we welcome everyone to disclose a weakness they have discovered about themselves that they are working on. The idea is similar to some of the activities in “No More Mr. Nice Guy”. You are responsible for identifying your weakness or mistakes, and even better, start brainstorming about how to become stronger. Mistakes are the most powerful teachers, but only if we listen to them.
Think of this as a boxing gym. If you found out in your last fight your legs were stiff, we encourage you to admit this is why you lost, and come back to the gym decided to train more to improve that. At the gym the others might suggest some drills to get your legs a bit looser or just give you a pat in the back. It does not matter that you lost the fight, what matters is that you are taking steps to become stronger. However, don’t call the gym saying “Hey, someone threw a jab at me, what do I do now?”. We discourage reddit puppet play-by-play advice. Also, don't blame others for your shit. This thread is about you finding how to work on yourself more to achieve your goals by becoming stronger.
Finally, a good way to reframe the shit to feel more motivated to overcome your shit is that after you explain it, rephrase it saying how you will take concrete measurable actions to conquer it. The difference between complaining about bad things, and committing to a concrete plan to overcome them is the difference between Beta and Alpha.
Gentlemen, Own Your Shit.
Octellius 4y ago
OYS8
Physical
48M 86.5kg, 183cm, \~13%BF
Fat loss. Still on PSMF. I’m now down 6.4kg, 1.8kg for the week. (Last dexa said I had 16.9 in total). Excel tells me my BF should be about 13.2%. +\- 2% ish depending on how much muscle I put on since the last dexa. Visually the dadbod is gone and I’m now fine tuning. Stomach is really starting to flatten out, in particular first thing in the morning. Shoulder muscles and bones are more distinct as are individual quad muscles. Traps no longer look like a fatty backpack.(Downside: About time for a new dexa. Even without the analytics I’d not stay on the diet for more than another week or so. I’ve been really keen to start making more muscle gains having not has a new 1rm since the day before the diet started… until today…
An hour ago I was surprised that I got a new 1RM on deadlift. Was 143kg, -> now 150kg. 15 reps on 102.5kg. This was surprising as I’ve barely eaten anything in the past 24 hours : 12gF,4gC,170gP. This should be only about 800cals.
I joined a 6am run group. Once a week all or some of my family comes along, though nobody want to be in running gear at 6am in the dark in winter. Usually in the rain. The group is \~70% female and most of the people are ‘fit looking’ consisting of lots of local PT’s, physio’s and other fitness workers. We just start with a few k of flat warmup followed by hill climb\sprints, and back across the flat again. I had a run with them last year and felt heavy and laboured going up the hill. I was a bit worried about doing this on sub 1000cal and assumed my body would just fold. I was wrong. The run went much better than last time, charging up the hills I was faster, stronger and my stride was long and open and fluid on the downhill all, on an empty stomach.
Mental
Target State. I was brought up with the idea that anything worth having is worth working hard for, which over the longer stretch transforms a goal in to the striving towards some goal becoming the goal. The MRP goals for me have already move to that category. I enjoy the self-improvement aspect enough now that there is actually no target state outcome anymore. This is probably a good thing because it unhitches my mind from needing validation from others and seems to be curing me of covert contracts. I suspect a portion of this change in mindset is coming from all the things I do exclusively for myself. I no longer feel beaten down and ‘used’ by my family because I’m leading my life. Being my own judge is much easier when I set goals, progress and achieve them. You just can’t beat down a man who at 43 * 1RM PRs in a row. Now I’m losing fat at near maximum speed without even a temptation of breaking it to gorge on some junk.
Anti-fragility. Been spending a lot of time thinking about anti-fragility and in particular in the MPR context. More business opportunities may be better than a perfect one. My background in self sufficiency itself is anti-fragile as are my multiple living options. What plate theory proposes is in effect more anti-fragility in relationship options. It has reminded me that I have very limited social circles outside my immediate professional circles. In the past I reasoned that I’m more island than social, that I’m introverted, but that’s not even close to true. I love being the centre of attention and almost always am, when I make the effort of doing something other than work and home. I’ve just been lazy, not even fearful this time. I need to build a social network from the ground up. I’ll take this slow as I don’t want to invest time in people with negative\neutral mindset.
u\SorcererKing challenged me to know myself better. His simple question was like dropping a disease on a city. One sentence cause me to re-evaluate everything. Timing was perfect as I would not have responded the same way 12 or even 6 months ago. I dug deep and found that almost everything I do is acting from a position of fear, and this overriding theme has infected both the way I interact with the world, others and how I make decisions. I’ll dig in to the causes and try and come up with a plan in a mental focused OYS9.
Relationship
Not much interesting to state. Learning to control what I say and when. How I respond or don’t(STFU). I’m still very conscious of what I’m doing and where I detect a compliance test, supressing my DEER instinct, from outright “No.” to me just doing something for myself and walking off. So far this is not causing any problems which don’t disappear within a few days. I guess the might oak too a long time to get that way, constant tests of storms. The oak in the end is notable not because it can weather the storm, but because it represents growth and success against all the storms that have come and gone. Nobody laments the windfall.
Reading
Being conscious of how I project my masculine frame recently as I work through WOTSM. When I started to read it in Dec19 it looked like superficial mush and I didn’t make it past the preface. This was because what I needed at the time was a good foundation. Lifting, stfu and all that. This time around it’s making a difference, the mush looks more like an action plan because I have the basics down. Amazing difference in perspective over just 6 months. That said this book is dense in meaning and will take me many passes over years to absorb it all.
Philosophy
I’ve been watching my wife in a different way. What she values or not. What meshes best in to her natural femininity, and what doesn’t and I came to a realisation. Feminism is anti-feminine. I can imagine the fireworks if I posted that idea elsewhere online. Almost every goal of feminism appears to have a masculine origin, even if you take the ide aback to the early stages. Things like the ‘right to vote’ was held by men as not a ‘right’ as such, but a burden of responsibility, both the make a ‘good conscious’ decision for civil outcomes but also to be responsible for keeping politicians inline and have a guardianship responsibility over civic values. I really don’t think that the bulk of women were asking to be made responsible for civic guardianship. We can see that represented today in the raw emotionalism(feminine) that politics engenders.
AlphalfaSprout 4y ago
OYS #1 – An Intro: The Lurker Becomes the Newbie
Stats
Age 32 Ht 5’11” Wt 176 (Don’t know BF yet), Wife 32 Kids 2 under 6
Introduction
6 months ago, my wife of 7 years (together quite a bit longer) tells me she is unhappy and his been for years, she knows I am unhappy, we both deserve happiness and we need to find it somehow, even if it isn’t together.
6 months ago, I am the absolute fucking definition of a betabux oneitis faggot. Still am, of course, but really was then. We are both well educated but I bring in ¾ of the money. Great dad, take care of the house, do the cooking, give massages, always at her beck and call, always looking for constant validation, always saying I love you first, always running after her like a fucking lapdog.
6 months ago, I am 210 pounds of pure fat. I have a frame on the thinner side so I just look like a fucking beachball; it all goes to my cheeks and flappy waistline. Literally disgusted with myself whenever I look in the mirror. Family started buying me clothes in Large this year as gifts, because lets be honest, I am large. Started buying new belts and new pants because the old ones hurt my tum tum when I sit.
6 months ago, I am angry and bitter. I am angry when my wife takes an hour to herself to go to Yoga. I am angry when she takes 10 minutes to go take a shit. I am angry when she doesn’t initiate sex, I am angry all the fucking time. And I walk around at home like an angry, fat piece of shit. I am disgusted with myself, but even more disgusted with the fact that my wife doesn’t want to constantly be fucking and blowing me. Which is ridiculous. Why would anyone want to fuck me?
6 months ago, I play video games if my wife doesn’t want to hang out with me in the evenings. Not because I want to, but because it’s the “second place” prize if the wife locks herself in the bathtub to get a few hours of respite from my needy faggotry.
6 months ago, she starts sleeping in the guest bedroom, as a transition into separation and probable divorce. 6 months ago, I am mad at her instead of myself. We cry about it.
6 months ago, I decide to get my shit together. I am still a BP faggot but this is a wake-up call. My life is falling apart around me. My parents divorced when I was 3 and my stepfather was a POS (sound familiar?) so I promised myself I would never, ever ever give up on my nuclear family. No matter what. Nothing is more important.
4 months ago, I am down to 195. Intermittent fasting. First 2-3 weeks were hard but afterwards, it was a breeze. Coffee+water+dinner 4-5 days a week. That’s it. I read a bunch of shit online, all the time. Most of it is “give her space, talk about your feelings, tell her you are listening to her needs.” I do all this shit and it does nothing but push her away. There are hints of MRP online too; advice like, be your own man, develop yourself to save your marriage. Slivers of MRP. But most of it is faggotry.
3 months ago, down to 186. People start noticing. Still doing the same shit, weekly (sometimes daily) gross conversations about our relationship that I constantly initiate. She rolls her eyes and tells me to stop, to just take it a day at a time. She is literally telling me to stop being a faggot but I don’t listen.
2.5 months ago, I am down to 180. Still being an absolute faggot but my physically transformation has upped by SMV a bit. Wife still sleeping in the guest bedroom but starts sleeping in our bed on the weekends. We still have a good time whenever I am not being a clingy bitch because we are best friends and all that gay shit. Probably similar to what we’d be doing if I was a fat female roommate of hers.
May 1st: I am at my goal weight of 175. I actually like the way I look for the first time in years. I am still a giant faggot. I try to initiate conversations about our relationship all. the. fucking. time. She literally tells me at one point to be a man, to stop these conversations. Trying her very best to stop me from being a faggot but I still can’t do it. Literally incapable. WHY WON’T SHE JUST TALK ABOUT MY FEELINGS, I’VE BEEN SUCH A GOOD BOY?!?!
After having sex once in like 3 months, I finally let out a betascreech. I tell her I can’t live like this, that I won’t be in a sexless marriage. That she can come back to our bedroom and we can figure this shit out or we can go on our separate ways. She is taken aback by this betascreech that is somehow masquerading as some desperate FMOFY alpha move.
This pathetic display was probably the closest thing to a pseudo-masculine thing I’ve done in years. She starts getting her shit together to go sleep in the guest bedroom, then stops and tells me that she just doesn’t feel sexual anymore, that her body just doesn’t work that way anymore. She says she will give me handjobs going forward when I want.
Sidebar: my wife gives absolutely amazing fucking handjobs. Like, out of this world. She gets her hands all creamed up and just Goes To Town. They are so good I literally started watching handjob porn years ago because thinking about them gets me going.
So in my mind, this is a worthy compromise to a sexless little beta like me. And she does it. I get like 3 solid handjobs a week. Sometimes 4. This seems like an absolute prize because compared to the alternative, its not so bad.
Except one problem: I am still a faggot, she is still disgusted by me, and I am still the neediest, clingiest person on the planet.
Fast forward to 3 weeks ago. I discover married red pill. Don’t even remember how exactly. I feel like a whole new world has opened up to me. I read Steel’s guide and start ingulfing just about every post on here. I nod along to just about all of it but also am incredibly apprehensive because I’ve been taught that being a beta faggot is how to get nice women to touch your pee pee and my step dad was a bit of an alpha and I hate him so no way no how mister.
But the more I read the more my eyes are opened. Its like staring into the void for the first time but the void is your own empty self.
Reading through all the posts, I realize that the number one thing to do, even before the sidebar, even before lifting, is just to STFU. Just STFU, please! So now it is Day 19 and I have not said a single fucking word about my relationship to my wife. Not one. Not one heavy, gross conversation. Not one beta screed. Nothing. I would have thought that was impossible a month ago. I cannot express how often I would try to initiate conversations where I would dream that they would end in her professing her undying love.
So a week ago, I decide to dive in. I pick up NMMNG and its like this guy wrote a biography about me. I literally have goosebumps every chapter. I read MMSLP shortly after and start trying to apply it to my life. But I also know that I am a giant, helpless faggot, so I am still doing 99% STFU, and 1% MRP right now. But the 1% MRP has been amazing. But that is a story for OYS #2, next week. I expect to dive into that with the typical headlines (fitness/career/relationship/etc.) but wanted to use this first OYS to create a baseline, an introduction for my own records, and a testament to my faggotry. Until next week.
HornsOfApathy 4y ago
Fair warning, and take this to heart: we save the man, not the marriage.
Most men here were married. Some still are.
You're in the right place.
PaperAlpha 4y ago
Welcome on board. See you next Tuesday.
rotkohlblaukraut 4y ago
Welcome to the club, buddy. Welcome to the club.
Your post reads 95% enthusiasm and 5% actually doing something (which was technically STFU, or doing nothing, so make of that what you will).
Looking forward to seeing you post some real shit.
johneyapocalypse 4y ago
Newb post approved.
beaverlane 4y ago
OYS #1
Age 40, 6'0, 195
I've been reading MRP off and on for a few months and posted once on askMRP which was a bunch of hogwash though I believed it at the time. I can't halfass this if I want real results, so here I am.
Reading sidebar and started Rational Male before noticing I skipped the prerequisites. Those 3 books will be here Monday and I'll get started on those.
Local gym is supposed to open up soon. I've been doing body weight stuff and using the weights I have to develop a routine. I'm weak and I know it and thats not attractive.
I checked all the boxes on what it takes to be a beta and that pisses me off that I've been so clueless for so long. Married 7 years and the first 5 years was a progression of drinking while a regression of sex. Sober now 18 months and feeling good despite the wife still uses her resentment of my past alcoholism abuse against me. Whatever, if she cant get over it then thats her problem and I'll find some plates. At the moment, I'm giving her until the end of the year and then I'll decide whether ti nuke it ot not.
I want it to work with us and I see results when I hold frame and follow the advice of the things I've read on here. The problem is that my awareness of shit tests and communications is usually about 5 minutes late. My ego swells when I do catch things in the moment and then I forget the thought to STFU.
We did a workout together the other day and we were both sweaty nasty. My intention was to turn that into a shower together and sex. As soon as the word shower came out of my mouth. She interrupted that she wanted the shower first. I told her not to rudely interupt me and i started back on what i was about to say. She interrupted me again. I told her that she rudely interrupted me again and i went to do another workout. I'm quite sure i should've done something different there.
My step son is an asshole but he seen me in my worst drunken conditions and holds the same resentment as his mom. My daughter is wonderful and I'll probably end up in jail someday when she gets a boyfriend.
Just started a new business on the side and it's taking up a ton of my time while my current job is starting to pick back up.
I've quit watching tv (thats a lie, I'm trying to quit) and I've eliminated sugar from my diet. I feel like I'm all over the place with this post but I want to be the best version of myself and thats why I'm here.
I'm finally teachable and need help.
2wo2wo3hree 4y ago
“We did a workout together“
Don’t do this yet. Go solo for now. Raise YOUR value. Get it equal to, or above her, or waaay above hers until you’re respectably more attractive than your current self.
“I told her not to rudely interupt me and i started back on what i was about to say. She interrupted me again.”
At your current stage, this is not holding frame (yet). Your intentions are clear. I get it. I understand. But because you’re still a faggot, it just comes out as a verbalization of your butt-hurt which is probably amusing to her. We want to flip that. She should be amusing you.
“The problem is that my awareness of shit tests and communications is usually about 5 minutes late.”
-So, STFU. STFU allows you to think and go through your OODA loop. Observe, Orient, Decide, Act.
OBSERVE - She’s spoke ORIENT - that negative tone was unnecessary. Should I Agree and Amplify? Should I fog it? Should I continue to STFU?
DECIDE- Decide to STFU!
ACT - STFU!
“Did i do something right or just get lucky?” -Yea, kinda. You unknowingly displayed confidence and accidentally led your woman to the bed without asking permission. Unlike your little disaster of a shower scene.... what you could’ve done there was STFU about it, let her enter the shower, and without saying anything, just go in there and join her like you belong there.
Lastly.... maybe most importantly.... you were a drunk mess. I don’t know what kind of grief you brought to your family. You’re just now waking up. In a perfect world you should be able to say “Hey! I’m sober now! Trust me and follow my lead or I’ll nuke this home!” It kinda doesn’t work that way. You have a long road ahead of you. This road is solely for you to walk, for your own Process and purpose. Wether your girl is there or not when you reach you destination is irrelevant. So start walking but walk mindfully. Don’t go crazy.
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johneyapocalypse 4y ago
OP doesn't give a fuck about your dumbass opinion, nor should he, retard.
johneyapocalypse 4y ago
Don't go into it with an elaborate game plan, it's uber-transparent and your wife can smell it a mile a way.
Stop worrying about converting into the perfect man to makeup for being the perfect drunk, just take your time, be patient, don't fucking worry so much, and follows BPP's 12 rules.
beaverlane 4y ago
Right after i wrote that, my wife got home from grocery store. I help her unload the car while flirting with her while she talks about the creepy guy who followed her around the grocery store.
She's not as interested in sex as i am so i go out in the garage to mess with stuff. 5 minutes later she comes out complaining because I'm sweaty and she wanted sex. I don't think it's ever pissed me off before because she wanted to fuck. I go in the bedroom and ask her if she had been thinking about the creepy guy from the store. She said that statement completely turned her off. I immediately went back to the garage with my mouth shut.
The beta in me wanted to later apologize but i kept my mouth shut until dinner. No apologies, i just hold frame with the usual chit chat and she seems reserved like she's waiting for me to talk about it.
Later I'm sitting on the bed trying to figure out where BPP's 12 rules are and she walks past me. I tell her to shut the door, take her clothes off and get on top of me.
And that's exactly what happened without another word said.
Did i do something right or just get lucky?
And where's the bpp 12 rules?
Thanks for all the help.
PaperAlpha 4y ago
BPP is u/bluepillprofessor
Take a deep breath
You are at the beginning of a long road. You haven’t read anything much less internalized it. At this point go about your normal life with more awareness and STFU. Seriously STFU for a very long time.
You remind me of this guy.
Come back Tuesday
BluepillProfessor 4y ago
The 12 Step Plan of Dread
sodarishnod 4y ago
OYS #9
Stats: 50, wife 49, 4 kids - 21, 18, 12, 10. Over a year in. Reading MMSP and NMMNG both for 2x, WISNIFG (2x), SGM.
1889lbs w/ BF 15%. BP: 110, Squat 140, OHP 85, DL 130.
PHYS Consistent on workouts, more protein. Added stairmaster for upcoming hike. Need to add more warm-up and ancillary exercises to not let previous shoulder, elbow and back injuries prevent progress.
SOCIAL Chats w/ group of men several times this week. More than my average, but my goal is for that to become a daily habit and move to spontaneous instead of morning checkbox. I made time on calendar with another old friend and had a great talk. Ended by asking we schedule another one (instead of waiting sometimes months for chance) and we did. Also was direct and clear with another old friend about an issue. I wouldn't have done that before, but I'm working to put myself and feelings out there, and let them work it out with me (if they want to). But I am practicing that keeping my thoughts and feelings to myself is no longer an option.
MENTAL I'm being hit hard by NMMNG, and I don't recall that the first time. It seems I heard some information, thought about it for a year while observing hit-or-miss changes in life, marriage. Now it feels a bit of a sucker-punch at times, the exposure and obvious brokenness in me, how I engage with life, etc. I'm almost finished, and started going through the Breaking Free exercises. I booked a campsite to going away alone for the weekend two weeks from now. Looking forward to it, but also realize that Glover has this as homework, knowing that probably means emotional work will occur over those three days. In general, I'm catching myself before automatic responses to people and instead going through and processing "How do I really want to reply?" Going through the Assertive Rights from WISNIFG several times a week has also helped. Given the common praise I see here for TRM and WSM (neither of which really impacted me, so I stopped reading and switched), I'm now guessing I wasn't really ready for them and that NMMNG and WISNIFG are somewhat prerequisite work. I'm enjoying Rian Stone's commentary on the book on YouTube.
WORK Broke even last month, but currently forecasted to lose $30k in July. I'm grinding and accepting that it's six day weeks and 10 hour days until either the world changes, or I come up with a new strategy, partnerships, channels, or pivot. I have made progress on stopping my jealousy and resentment towards others in my field who made bank and are doing fine now. I see that my approach of "be generous to all and it'll come back to you," was just a covert contract from a smart people-person, but spineless leader without balls to put himself first, and drive and expect results.
MARRIAGE Still in roommate mode. I'm not pursuing, but the backwards financial and emotional spot I've put us in (and her passion for working our new land) leaves me often not wanting to. I've been working on "be attractive AND don't be unattractive," as I had missed that second part. What a difference.
ImpatientZen 4y ago
Thank you for this. It is very much to the core. I have let it stew as I didn't really know what to respond. Still not sure I do. But this passage in TWOTSM stood out during a recent re-listen. I will reflect further for next week's OYS.
Smuggler-Tuek 4y ago
OYS YEAR 2
WEEK 3
ABSTRACT: Missing dips workouts. Didn’t start a new book yet. Need to communicate more to my VA at work. Found myself getting frustrated on vacation. Having too much to drink when I’m with my friends. Drinking daily has become a habit.
AGE: 31
Married, twin 3 year old boys
Physical:
Height: 5'8"
Weight: 164LB
WORKOUT: 531 BBB
1RM:
SQUAT: 290lb
BENCH PRESS: 217.5lb
DEADLIFT: 286lb
SHOULDER PRESS: 174lb
Trying to do dips three times a week. So far I’ve only been doing them once a week and skipping the other days. Need to lose a solid 5 pounds to have abs where I want them.
**WEEK GOAL: Don’t skip dips. Set and hit calorie goal every day.
READING:
Nothing currently since I finished listening to 48 laws of power again.
**WEEK GOAL: Pick a new book and read / listen to all of it
CAREER:
Went on vacation so not much happened here. I haven’t communicated to my VA some of the things I need him to do.
**WEEK GOAL: Lay out week’s work with the VA
RELATIONSHIP:
I let myself get frustrated when I was with my family on vacation this week. I didn’t take the opportunity to try and control my emotions. I eventually sorted myself out and started being fun again. The difference was huge. After I became fun and everyone relaxed my wife started shit testing me. I saw them as shit tests early on this week and passed them (something I’ve been struggling with in previous weeks’ OYS). Rest of the trip was easy and fun.
**WEEK GOAL: Acknowledge when I get frustrated and control the expression of my emotions. I will take note of what caused me to get frustrated and figure out why it happened.
SOCIAL: When I get together with my friends I drink, sometimes too much. When I do that my sleep goes to shit and if it results in a hangover it wrecks my schedule. I need to ignore the peer pressure and make decisions for myself that benefit my entire life, not just a fun night.
**WEEK GOAL: Limit social drinking. Not sure what is a good number to shoot for but maybe 2 drinks and then switch to water.
PERSONAL: Since lockdown I’ve fallen into drinking every day. I don’t get drunk, I just usually have a few white claws, sometimes I have half a dozen though. Or if I get wine I’ll drink a few glasses. It’s been something I hadn’t paid attention to but I’ve been trying to work on my nutrition to maximize workouts and it caused me to notice this as a problem area.
**WEEK GOAL: Only consume alcohol on weekend or date night.
PillUpAss 4y ago
I find journaling my faggotry and later doing root cause analysis helps me learn, take corrective action and drastically improve outcomes the next time around.
Smuggler-Tuek 4y ago
That’s what I need to do. I’ll try to implement that this week. Thanks
2wo2wo3hree 4y ago
OYS Year 2!!! I respect that. But unless you were just completely fucked up in year one, For a year 2 person, You seem to not be in line with your purpose/mission that’s why you’re drinking everyday, skipping something so simple like dips, and lacking mastery of yourself and losing your shit. Go back to the basics and tighten yourself up.
“Limit social drinking. Not sure what is a good number to shoot for but maybe 2 drinks and then switch to water.”
-Nothing. Order two waters and then switch to water. You’re not worthy of an adult beverage right now. You’ve made white claws such a priority.
Your OYS TL;DR: I’m not doing anything because I’ve been drinking. Solution: Have two drinks.
Smuggler-Tuek 4y ago
Thanks bro. I needed that perspective. For the record yeah I started year one pretty fucked up. The difference mentally between then and now is huge but I wouldn’t say I’m close to being done. I’m just happy my problems are this now and not mental breakdowns and emergency therapy sessions lol.
MeanPhysics 4y ago
Then go up! Maybe you’ve got a crazy metabolism. Maybe your tracking is off. Probably the latter. Nutrition labels can be 20% off and they still meet labeling requirements.
Eating this much sucks, but you’ll get used to it eventually. I target 3200 when maintaining, 3500 when bulking.
Bigfootinmouth 4y ago
OYS #10
Stats: age mid 30, married to wife (mid 30), 3 kids (2, 5,7). Height 5,9". Weight 76 kg (167 lbs.) Strong Lift 5x5, B 62,5 kg +2,5, OHP 50 kg +2,5, DL 110 kg +2,5 SQ 100 kg +5, Row 57,5 kg, FSq 60 kg
Reading: -
Physical/training/Diet:
I have been fucking around a bit on my diet eating shit. Still keeping calories at deficit though. The deck building is eating into some of my gym time but I accept that as it build my body none the less. Made some nice gains this week and felt really good. Then felt really fatigued days afterwards. Been skimping on setting up my next boxing lesson and will correct that this weekend.
Mental/Relationship:
Been in my own bubble a bit this week. Behavior from wife is erratic. She works a lot at night, is angry then have sex. She says I am being an asshole. No specifics given. Must be hard for her not having that faggot around anymore..
I have been struggling taking care of the kids this week and has got upset like a bitch. At least no bitching or whining like I used to. Just noticeably tired, stressed and frustrated. I honestly dont know how to get the oldest one to stop screaming as soon as she doesn't get her way.
Takeaways this week:
Week tasks:
Gym 4 times (3 fail) approved excuse
Take walk 4 days (1 fail)
Shit eat once a week (3 fail)
Read another book on sidebar (fail)
Get going with Spanish lessons again (success)
Meet up with a friend (success)
Short term goals:
Long term goals:
These are still work in progress and revising since last OYS.
SBIII 4y ago
Any way that you react to her - even if it is negative, is giving her the attention she wants, so remove your attention and only give it back when she starts behaving.
This also works with women.
Smuggler-Tuek 4y ago
This is my favorite thing to hear (or some variation of it). I'd always rather hear this than someone call me a "nice guy" again.
Missing workouts because you are building a deck is not an excuse. You will lose ground in your workout routine. Workout before you work on the deck. I've been redoing my backyard and it's been exhausting labor so I learned real quick workouts have to be done first or they won't be done at all.
edit: reddit sucks and posted early
Bigfootinmouth 4y ago
Ya its probably a lazy cop out. Will make it 3 times minimum this week.
RpRebuild 4y ago
Oys 5
35yo, married 10 years, 2 kids, 92kg, 6"
Strengthlifts 5x5 (been doing 10reps on last three sets to get some more volume) Squat 85kg, Benchpress 85kg, Row 50kg, Deadlift 105kg (1x5) Overhead press 60kg
Reading: nmmng, map. Am starting pon. So far liking it. Am reordering the rest of the sidebar books in paperback as it turns out cant stand mobile books.
Eldest boy did something really stupid so banned him from tab for a month. Instead of getting pissy like I thought he would he calmly asked me "what can i do to earn the tab back" hes only 7 so was really impressed and told him so. Been drumming into him about fixing his own mistakes and failures are just opportunities to learn etc. So far so good. Youngest, who was an absolute mamas boy has done complete 180 and follows me around like a lost puppy. Really happy with the progress here
Initiated and kino'd everyday this week following the session just before last weeks oys. Got shot down every single time. Her reply has been some variation of "not for another six months" Not sure how to respond to this so just shrugged and said your loss to most of them before continuing what I was doing. Having said that, we are kissing, touching and hugging alot more without it feeling like a chore/needy (more organic? I guess) Some of that is down to me being more attractive ie mouthwash etc, shes the one with the smellier breath, im usually fresh as fuck now. Shes dancing around the house and is a hell of alot more better to be around so something is working
Uninstalled all games and useless apps off phone and laptop so as a consequence had to do other things to entertain myself. I thought this would give me more time but feel like I have less, in a good way, so much shit is getting done. Because of this im getting out of the house alot more on weekdays to start/finish projects, get supplies or just to do things for myself.
Been really giving my career some thought (as in my lack thereof) im actually quite happy at my job. Its definately not challenging and everything about it is average to good. Nothing is great, have had some thoughts on possible other jobs and have started to talk to people in said jobs to see what pay and conditions are like. Another problem is at my current job there is absolutely zero chance of growth.
Was definately hoping for some more action on the sex front but kind of expected there not to be. Cant turn the ship around in one week and if I look at things as a whole, has really improved in just a few weeks especially with the kino and playfulness. Starting to make sexual jokes again, still get treated like a perverted piece of shit but bothers me less and less. Yes, I like sex and theres nothing perverted or strange about that. Have worked on ass grabs (which used to get my hand slapped away and/or snarkey comment) as well as compliments in general (not hard because im not using porn anymore so im horny as fuck) realized havent really said things like "bring that sexy ass here" or just saying that I like her sexy ass as im going for a grope for years. Just been more free with the compliments in general as her behaviour has increased 100%
Need to up my reading game as ive been so busy doing shit its lagged behind this week. Been driving to work in silence and just kind of.....thinking about things. Best I can do for now in regards to camping by myself but that is definately on the cards. Got a hike with some of the lads scheduled in for this weekend so that should be good, hopefully they dont all bail.
Could never understand those people who got excited about the weekend until the last couple of weeks when i would get inordinately excited despite the fact that 70% of the plans i made for myself fell through due to laziness or lack of conviction. Still getting excited though, which is better than the alternative, and im getting better and better at NOT talking myself out of doing things because guilt or whatever happens to be the excuse this time.
Have to keep an eye on covert contracts (doing this for myself and not being a dancing monkey which I do catch myself doing on occasion) Also keeping my foot on the gas is going to be another issue to keep in mind as this has always bern a problem for me. Another thing to be wary of is putting that pussy back up on the pedestal and giving my attention away to freely. Its the only commodity I have and yet I have to build it up into something worthwhile first.
2wo2wo3hree 4y ago
“ Her reply has been some variation of "not for another six months" Not sure how to respond to this so just shrugged and said your loss to most of them before continuing what I was doing. ”
-You’re butt-hurt and you showed it. Just Shut The Fuck Up! Don’t verbalize your butt-hurt!
-Also... what’s the whole six months about? What’s that number? Is she healing from surgery? Anything?
“ shes the one with the smellier breath, “
-what in the actual fuck?!!? Are you hobo’s?
-You kinda didn’t do anything this week mate. You didn’t even spar with your sparring partner. You didn’t do any application. You didn’t take action. You’re a spectator of your own life. Maybe that’s a good thing... at least you’re not going Rambo. But you also might be a little sloppy with your mission. You’re just prancing along.
RpRebuild 4y ago
Yep, fair call mate, no mission is something I know im struggling with. Nah the six months is just an arbitrary number, its about how long in between sessions we usually have. And yes, I always seem to be a spectator in my life, shit just kind of..... happens.
PillUpAss 4y ago
Once you’re HV enough say “speak for yourself” then walk away. God I love fucking with women and their bullshit ways.
RpRebuild 4y ago
Will have to wait on that response for sure, will definately come across as trying to negotiate desire at the moment
2wo2wo3hree 4y ago
I’m sure you’ll get to reading The Way of the Superior Man at some point. It quotes something about a man Not having a mission will tend to only react to events instead of creating events. It’s the difference between controlling your life and and your life controlling you. So find your purpose, vision, mission, whatever it is, and stay true to it.
RpRebuild 4y ago
Yeah for sure, ordering that and wisnifg next.
Octellius 4y ago
Fair warning. I started reading it very early, maybe 1-2 months in and realised it wasn't for me at that point. I realised I had more fundamental problems to fix. My take on that book is that I'll revisit it when I start getting to a "whats next" point because all the obvious work is done. It was listed as advanced reading. YMMV.
Smuggler-Tuek 4y ago
Yeah this type of shit is a trap. It's good to not be blasting yourself with entertainment or stimulation 24/7 but thinking isn't as helpful as you probably assume. Make sure you do it in moderation. This shit isn't complicated, there's not a ton to think about when it comes down to it, just keep doing stuff. If you aren't learning, doing something for your career, or finishing projects, you should be playing with kids or going out having (and being) fun. Listen to audio books when driving if you can. There's a ton of material to get through and that's a great way to do it.
" Her reply has been some variation of "not for another six months" "
Not sure how I would handle this honestly. I've never gotten this as a reply. If it was me I'd pull all attention immediately and start moving up dread levels. I'm not waiting 6 months for sex. I'd sooner divorce before that point and my actions would show it.
RpRebuild 4y ago
My problem at the moment is I feel my attention is not even worth pulling away. We have mostly just been housemates who happen to have two kids in the house for the last five years. Maybe thats just me not thinking im the prize?
Smuggler-Tuek 4y ago
You lack abundance mentality. Develop that and it will make decisions easy. And yes you aren’t considering yourself the prize. Its hard to do especially early on. This is why you need abundance mentality. Also if your every decision is made with her reaction in mind then you are a dancing monkey. Become outcome independent.
RpRebuild 4y ago
Definately lack abundance mentality, she is the first girl i dated, kissed or fucked. Not even sure how to act outside of marriage. Its not that every decision is made with her reactjon in mind atm but I think that it definately could be once I start getting validation
Smuggler-Tuek 4y ago
I’m in the exact same situation. It is really fucking hard to develop abundance mentality and to take your wife off a pedestal when you were so sold on her being your “one.” It’s not impossible though, just takes a lot more work. Start working through dread levels and also learn game. Just learning and reading about it will give you more confidence.
RpRebuild 4y ago
Thanks mate
Anomalousfunction 4y ago
OYS21.
Age 50 Married 24 years. Together 26 years. Wife 48 year.
3 male children age 20,20 and 17.
Height 179 cm/ 5ft 10 Weight 74kg Body fat c20%.
Reading.
Read NNMG, MAP, WISING, MMSLP. The Game by Neil Strauss and The Rational Male (the book) by Rollo Tomasi. The Art of Seduction. Realise I need to refer back to these books and reread to make sure I digest the basic concepts. There is a difference between reading and listening.
Restarting The Rules of the Game. Mission 1 and 2 ok. Mission 3 requires some privacy. Hmmm.
Lifting/Exercise.
Reworked exercise routine to focus on progression to a pull up. Achieved pull ups this week. Did 5 sets of 2 reps.
Need to now increase number of reps. Will also focus on increasing number of press ups. PUSH/PULL etc.
Mission.
Make money by investing.
I keep watching my stocks with all the emotional stress that brings for no benefit given no news. Challenge to myself is to not look at their price until major news is announced. Starting this week.
Field report.
Something new.
Last week my wife and I went away for a day trip but at her suggestion we stayed overnight in our large car. We had a great day out on the coast and then that evening I located a secluded woodland car par. We had sex in the car. We both wanted this. Fantastic. The light in her eyes when we did this was something else. I am incredulous that something I have thought of doing but had not said was suggested by my wife.
My beta fail.
Next day we went to some friends for a socially distanced dinner outside. We dressed up. I put on a good shirt etc. I happened to go back upstairs and my wife was sitting with her dress on which has a slit up the leg and it was clear she was wearing stockings. She never wears these. She know I like them. I fucked up at this point. Beta me couldn’t help saying ‘Why are you wearing stockings? You never wear them? You know I really like them.’ Or something similar. Making me cringe to write this. Anyway the conversation lead to her changing into the normal tights as soon as I left the room.
What an idiot. She knows I love her in stockings. If I had just shut up, smiled and moved on. Just too much had happened in 48 hours. The beta part of my brain couldn’t take it.
Nonetheless we had a great evening at our friends. The following day I was so energised it was incredible. We had sex (she knew I wanted/needed it) and for once I really let myself go. Said all sorts of things. Wasn’t in control. Afterwards a real quizzical look on my wife’s face.
Having reflected on the above I can see that I am of course still pretty beta. We are still in her frame. There is some improvement and there is some encouragement that I am on the right road.
Short term goals.
Exercise: more pull ups, more press ups.
Now lockdown easing restarting The Rules of the Game to improve my social skills. Want to restart photography as a hobby.
PillUpAss 4y ago
Next time don’t pass up such an obvious invitation. If you are horny, just bend her over and fuck her. I like asking beta questions, similar to yours, while I’m doing something to clearly contrast them (like fingering her). It does wonders for polarity and gets her wondering wtf is going on.
SBIII 4y ago
Quit kidding yourself. You don't 'like asking beta questions to create polarity'. You're just asking beta questions because it's in your programming.
PillUpAss 4y ago
Same questions, different intent. You are getting her to admit she’s your slut. Already be doing something dirty with her when you ask.
SBIII 4y ago
Ok, so there's a difference between being fingered by a beta who calls you a slut and being fingered by a beta who doesn't talk dirty.
theChetRP 4y ago
OYS #13
38y, 5'6'', 196lbs, 17% BF (calipers)
Married 8y, Together 12y. 18y stepson, 6y son
OYS #12
Sidebar
NMMNG, MMSLP, WISNIFG, MAP, Pook, TWOTSM, SGM, The Natural, The Ironwood Collection of Alpha Moves, Day Bang (50%), Sidebar posts
Reading:
NMMNG 2nd time. Currently on Activity 37.
How To Answer "Do These Pants Make My Ass Look Fat?"
The Rational Male
Fitness
Got in 5 days of workouts last week. Doing strength training 3 times a week and HIIT 2 times a week. Diet during the week is 5 days intermittent fasting eating 12 to 8 with around 1900 calories and hitting a goal of 165g protein. Weekends I'm more lenient. I still count calories and hit my protein goal, but I am not as strict with the calories and tend to hit my maintenance of 2500. However, since starting this I'm seeing a slow progression of weight loss, not as fast as some other people, but I'm finding this more manageable.
Mindset
Most of my time has been spent getting shit done, owning my shit, enjoying time with family, and internalizing things I've learned throughout the last 13 weeks since I made the commitment to myself to write in OYS weekly. I have not felt the need to constantly consume red pill content or binge more MRP posts and comments like I had in the past. I've spent more time reflecting on the things I've learned, adjusting my behavior and questioning myself less. I've found myself responding to my wife more in regards to some shit tests, such as when I'm working on a task and she's criticizing my approach to how I complete it. When I'm focused on the task my response is to "let me handle it" or "stop, I'm handling it". This ends the criticism and she leaves me alone to finish. What surprised me is how easy it just comes out, now. Before MRP I'd make excuses, DEER, do or say something unattractive, etc… and it wouldn't occur to me to nor have the balls to just shut that shit down.
I've been doing well keeping to my time management schedule, so far. Mostly with how much time I spend working on OYS, my Android studying, and learning options trading. By making a commitment to work each area at least one night a week, I'm staying disciplined.
I've utilized the techniques from u/InChargeMan's comments from my OYS a few weeks ago:
I said let's go have sex in the office (both kids were out of the house for the night). She said no I want to finish my wine and we just had sex earlier today. I said I know, that was fun. I'm insatiable, but ok your loss. Later that night she suggested we go to the office and we had amazing sex, with both of us talking dirty and trying new things.
I'm seeing her acting more feminine and trusting my lead more. There's still some push back, but I'm seeing the rope tighten. Can't get too comfortable and let myself slide back into old behaviors and mindsets. Gotta keep pushing forward.
Last Week's Goals
Next Week's Goals
the_man_i_want_to_be 4y ago
OYS 33
28, 5'9", 180 lbs, Bench 235 Squat 385 Deadlift 405
Fitness
Rough week for working out since everything I did split my finger back open and caused me to bleed everywhere. After a couple of days of trying to rush it and reopening the wound I just decided to let it close up and hit it hard once it does.
I was able to deadlift heavyish (~315 lbs) yesterday without any issue so I'm back in the game for lifting. Giving boxing a couple more days since the cut is right on my knuckle.
I've put on a couple pounds now that I'm working out of the office again. Goal for this week is to meal prep lunches so that I don't lose my cut from quarantine.
Overall most of my strength is back to pre-quarantine, I expect in less than a month to be within screaming distance of new PRs. I'm looking good overall, but I still need to lean down if I'm going to get abs.
Relationship
Best week I've ever had relationship wise. Wife has been spoiling the hell out of me. Last year for Father's day I got a nice Facebook post. This year she showered me in gifts and begged for me to put it in her ass.
I'm not all the way "there" yet, because I have a lot of shit to own and fix about myself. But holy shit. This is an entirely different woman. Or, more accurately, the exacy same woman reacting to an entirely different man.
Career
Not much has changed here. Still trucking. My company is losing one of itd keystone guys, so I'll be on the lookout for new opportunities as they come up.
RP
Finished NMMNG a couple weeks back. Next on the list is a reread of WISNIFG.
mrp101101101 4y ago
OYS 2
Bio: 41 198lb wife 10y NMMNG, MMSLP, WISNIFG
Goals:
resistance + cardio 6/7 days passed -> repeat
<2k cals per day passed -> repeat
No shouting at kids 7 days -> failed -> repeat + add to mantra
Flirt with wife 3 days -> failed 2days -> repeat
Add Morning Mantra -> Reset, positive energy, Fog+BR+NI+WC, Criticism=>STFU+AM+AA
Physical:
Flat week, haven't lost any weight, miscounting calories, get better at estimating
DL 30*70, SQ 30 * 65. Getting stronger
Niggles continue, pain in hands and feet. Although shoulder/neck pain has gone
Kids: Doing well this week (apart from shouting when they fight each other.) Need a plan when the wind each other up -> explain what they are doing, the consequences, then physical separation.
Reading:
Rational Male year one, not getting too much out of this, it seems to be more for 20 year olds than 40 year olds
Keep reading and find gems
Work / financials:
Had a tough confrontation meeting with the boss, explained the consequences of certain decisions and what I suggest. Got it, which is great and will give me additional power and influence
Had a tough conversations with wife about finances and what we can and can’t afford -> went well and she has agreed to budget the “fun”. Need to track how well this works
Wife:
Up and down, biggest improvement has been ignoring her when she says no and just getting on with things. Helps break away from her frame and also do what I want.
This week -> stay positive and see what happens
2wo2wo3hree 4y ago
“ haven't lost any weight, miscounting calories, get better at estimating“
-reframe this to become ACCURATE!
Smuggler-Tuek 4y ago
Much of Rollo is theory on how women and men function. It should still be applicable for someone in their 40s. Reality doesn't change with age. Understanding these concepts is crucial for pretty much everything here.
rightsided 4y ago
OYS #24
Married: 3 years. 3 kids
Height: 6', Weight: 216 - Target: 183lbs or 10\~15% BF
Lifts:
-As of 6/02/2020-
SQUAT: 285lbs x 1 - Target: 350+ x 5\~ or 420 x 1
BENCH: 250lbs x 1 - Target: 265+ x 8\~ or 315 x 3 or 330 x 1
DEADLIFT: 375lbs x 1 – Target: 500+ x 1
My mother died last week, so I flew back home to take care of burial arrangements. Her funeral is this upcoming Saturday, and there’s a lot of things that need to be taken care of so, I’m going to focus my energy there, and just check in with my OYS. I am grieving, but looking for whatever silver lining this dark cloud has to offer.
Back next week.
Days without PMO: 8
I am the master of my fate, the captain of my soul.
Pain is weakness leaving the body.
HornsOfApathy 4y ago
My condolences. Sorry to hear about your mother.
BarracudaRP 4y ago
And he's still got his foot on the gas.
Good man, OP.
AlohaMaui808 5y ago
OYS#39
31yo 6'2" 188lbs ~17%BF, STBX 7yrs, kids 14(step) & 3
Reading
WISNIFG×2 5% TRM MMSLP MAP Pook×2 Poon WOTSM Day Bang UFYS 48LOP Atomic Habits×2 70% NMMNG×2 sidebar 95% (posts)
Book Queue
SGM WOTSM WISNIFG
All in lbs, 5×5: SQ 200 DL 235 BP 140 BR 150 OHP 100
I realized this week as even the crappy temporary job was taken from me, that my self image and positive vibes have been way too wrapped up in my professional life. All it has taken for me to basically fall into a low place was for my legs to get kicked out from under me at work. I need to work on my OI professionally and bounce back much better than I have over the last 4 days since I found out. Now, that's not to say I threw a fit or embarrassed myself. But I can't help thinking I must have done something wrong to end up "out of favor" or however you want to put it. I've since sorted my emotions and pissiness about it, and I've made my A B C D plans for contingencies. I'm still 1000% better positioned for promotion now than I was at the beginning of this year, and I learned so much from the experiences. I'm not going to stop pushing until I get where I want, at which point I'll shift gears to my plans outside my fulltime career. If I have to wait a bit to get there in my career, I'll simply shift to the side plans and use my energy there until I can create the next opportunity at work.
I did the paperwork for STBX. I actually just asked her for her current numbers and told her why I needed them, and she just gave them to me. Amazing. After fully moving all of our things to fully separate our spaces, she also told me that she is looking for a place, and didn't want it to be a surprise. "Makes sense." Then STFU and continue about my business. Halle-fucking-lujah. That branch she's swinging on must be strong enough... salutes better you than me mate, best of luck with this chick, I'm all done. Be the best step dad you're capable of being or they'll never find your body bro. Nah. He seems like a decent guy. A real try hard blue boy.
I'm still struggling to overcome the indirect external validation I get from plates being attracted to me in general. Its a work in progress. But immersing myself in sex, doing what I want instead of what I think she does, talking dirty, and not doing things for validation are all coming along really well. I'm enjoying myself more now than I ever did having sex before in my life. There's a pressure that is removed when you don't worry about all the BS during sex, and just focus on pleasure, dominance, variety, having fun. They fucking love it too. They want to ride that wave with you, because its fucking awesome.
Played cards with 14yo on Father's Day. That was a lot of fun. It was a moment of peace in the "cold war" she thinks she is having with me. I'm just acting like nothing is going on and being my normal self. I hope this isn't the last positive memory I'll have with her. If it is, I'll definitely be sad, but I will live. Its ultimately her choice. I'm here, and I love her like my own child, but she needs to respect my authority as a parent or stay at her mom's house. She won't behave that way in my home.
That's all I got for this week. Happy Father's Day to all the Dads out there.
RedBackedBadger 4y ago
I could just be projecting here but are you sure you're fine with it?
AlohaMaui808 4y ago
I'm fine with him being with STBX. He's actually helping me by encouraging (or at least allowing) her to GTFO of my place. How's that for Hypergamy in action?
Helping raise my kids? Not so much... not at all really, but I don't have control over STBX or her life choices, and I'm not willing to sacrifice the rest of my life and be a cheating cuck for the rest of my life just to "Guard" my kids from the influence of another man, so I have to let that go. All I can do is let him know that if he ever does anything to them he will pay the price.
RedBackedBadger 4y ago
When you figure that one out let me know.
RaymondCortazar 5y ago
OYS #28
Sidebar: NMMNG, MMSLP, Pook, TWOTSM. Trillion Dollar Coach.
Stats: Career Beta, classic skinnyfat. 40, wife 40. Married 14 years. 4 kids (1 boy, 3 girls). 5'9. 168 (+ 2) lbs. 18% BF (Navy Method).
GSLP (5RM listed).
Ancillary shit:
Moving my workouts to the evenings sucks and I feel like I'm not getting the caliber of output I was lifting in the mornings. OTOH, I'm keeping with the BJJ, and thoroughly getting my ass kicked for several hours a week.
Career:
Started new job yesterday. Extremely in the weeds at the moment, and almost too busy to talk much about it.
Extracurriculars: One side business (a rental property) and 2 non-profit boards.
Finance: All pretty good so far. Have to survive until Mid-july without a paycheck, not concerned.
Health:
Eh. Toe and hand are finally better. Put on a couple of pounds from work celebration lunches / dinners / breakfasts with potential employees / etc. That'll be cleared out in a week.
Family/Home-Life:
More on this later. A grinding slog of a week.
Game and Sex
Wife was out sick the entire past week, went to the doctor and turns out she's got a severe immunodeficiency, which explains why she's out sick and quasi-bedridden at least one week per month, and has been for years.
Add that to her general anxiety problems, and her dismissive-avoidant style, and I've got my fucking work cut out for me.
Mission
Keep getting stronger. Be able to accomplish anything I want in my household. Have a great career. Share my gifts to the world. Build out my empire. Have a great relationship with my kids.
PaperAlpha 5y ago
OYS 10 -
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35 yo, 6'2, 212lbs, 15% bodyfat, Married 8 years, together 13, 2 kids under 3
Lifts: re-running 3x5 novice progression Current lifts SQ - 225, PR - 97.5, BP - 185, DL - 290
Mission in progress.
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Why am I here? To find my frame and unplug - biggest thing that happened this week is birth of my 2nd kid. Wife and kid are healthy and everything went well. Working on less sleep and trying to be helpful without being a plow horse bitch.
Reading - NMMNG x2 (currently reading x3 and working exercises) Current - Breaking free 27 - 36 - Did some reading last week but did not complete BF exercises last week. Renewed commitment.
Pook, MMSLP in progress as well, focusing on NMMNG
Read - WISNIFG, WOTSM, NMMNG, Sidebar, a million OYS
Lifting - lifting 3x weekly - hitting PRs. I'll let you know when I get to the hard part.
Nutrition - slacked off here - weight up to 212 today. I look better with my shirt off than I did 4 weeks ago when starting weight lifting. I am going to continue to stay way on top of this by measuring my weight circumference weekly and making sure I don’t grow out of my clothes. I am also going to get back to eating 95% clean foods. A lot of the guideposts I use don’t really align to my goals - I don’t care if I weight 300 lbs if I am made of steel. I don’t want to get fluffy or eat a bunch of food and justify that I lift 3x week. I am working to get strong, feel good, remain healthy and look good.
Career - Taking a couple of weeks off around new kid arrival - grateful that I have people around that can pick up slack. My goal is to connect with directs daily and see how much we can get done with me working less than an hour a day. My judgement is that I waste time at work and can manage better. That it won’t take more time, It will just require me to be a man.
Family - a lot has come up here - really working to spend time with my older boy and help him adjust to the changes in life. He is doing a good job with it. It is nice to spend more time with him. Working to stay patient and not lose temper.
Relationship -
Still running passive dread for a few more weeks at least and working on myself. Using lots of STFU with shit test and compliance tests. I notice how I react when my wife tries to give me compliance tests on baby safety. I assume a lot of this stuff isn’t about me, and that she’s on a hormone tear. I don’t know if some of it is about me. Does she think I a wreck less or that I would hurt our kids with my incompetence or obliviousness?
I would appreciate feedback on this - the way I take this personally is a touchstone for how I live in my wife’s frame. STFU, Fogging would probably be good here. She can tell how I get irritated.
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Myself/Spiritual
Happy with my work this week - Sticking to the lifting and showing up at the labor the way I want.
I noticed how a man referred to being in MRP’s frame, and I still definitely see that in me - I want you men to judge that I am a snowflake, or that I am already RP and don’t need this. It isn’t one bit true. I voice it because it’s still hanging out there.
I am struggling with not being perfect (nice guy shit) and accepting that I am finding improvement. I judge that this process takes time, but that I could work harder. I look back each week on goals and writing that I had last week and they don’t fit. Sometimes I am just doing stream of conscious BS rather than OYS.
My goal this week is to spend a minimum of 15 doing real work (reading NMMNG and completing BF exercises, journaling, reading MMSLP or POOK). I have spent lots of time on here reading OYS and other men’s stories but it is a passive exercise relative to digging into my own work. It is time for me to start to develop MAP, Mission, ETC and really work to get through sidebar books.
15 minutes a day is designed to keep me from binging all of my work when it is time to OYS and not doing living in the work. 15 minutes a day is also not too large of a commitment and doesn’t set me up for failure. I need to juxtapose being accountable without being too hard on myself.
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Social - Connected with guys last week - plan to stay in touch with men even with being somewhat homebound.
Commitments -
man_in_the_world 4y ago
Overprotective mothers are not uncommon. But you're a parent too, and motherhood doesn't grant her special license to deny your own rights, responsibilities, and judgment as a parent, nor to overstep your boundaries in exercising them. Our popular culture kind of promotes the idea that she does, so many men have to assert their rights, expectations, and boundaries regarding parenting in order to exercise them.
There is nothing special about how you assert these particular rights, expectations, and boundaries; WISNIFG is all about various techniques for doing so, and is the third book on the sidebar for very good reason. Apply it here.
When your vision runs counter to the common cultural norms (and sadly, engaged, competent, masculine fatherhood does today), having your own coherent narrative expressing your parenting vision helps others understand, predict, and accept your expectations and boundaries.
Establish a regular precedent of being entirely in charge of your children by taking your kids away every day for Daddy Time, and play physically and rambunctiously with them so that they become comfortable with positive masculine behavior. Do so now while the baby is new; it's much harder to change things later than to start them off the right way.
PaperAlpha 4y ago
The Al Bundy idiot dad. Or the beta sad dad. Or the plow horse.
Very good advise. Wisnifg is up for re-read after this trek through nmmng
This is big for me. What’s the difference between narrative and DEER? A big leadership piece for me was saying fuck Covid and that we were going to let our families meet our newborn (at least the ones we want). Our pediatrician essentially echoed the narrative I had been touting all along (internally validating).
This is a good idea - especially with the newborn as my wife won’t offer without me asserting time and ownership. She’d gladly give me the 2 yo at this point. And we do pretty rough and tumble play often.
That link is a fantastic post and resource.
— I appreciate the reply. When I let myself get activated by a shit test from my wife I generally know she is needling something I am insecure about. Also usually when I am insecure it’s because I am deficient or lacking somewhere.
I was very afraid of being a shitty dad when I had my first kid, and any direction or feedback coming from my wife would reinforce the idea that I am a shitty dad and she agrees with my fear.
As time goes on I am a pretty good dad. Especially since owning my shit and finding frame w a 2 year old I am getting better every day.
I have a couple of times laid down boundaries when she tries to tell me to do something with the newborn that is idiotic. (Turn his head the other way even when there is no obstruction anywhere close to his face or mouth - she just can’t see.)
It has been met with resistance or yelling crying in one tense moment, but I haven’t backed down.
I will keep working on parenting and see how/where it fits in my map. I will also work to validate myself as a good dad more often, and work to be better.
Thanks again.
man_in_the_world 4y ago
Narrative is proactive and from your frame; DEERing is reactive and in her frame. If you can't sense the difference, you're likely not ready for narrative; WISNIFG and STFU for now.
PaperAlpha 4y ago
Will do - I think I understand the difference now that you have explained it. I will be alert to examples in life.
Big one continually showing up is Covid 19 - where I have asserted an opinion that has given my wife relief and direction. She goes back to it and still asks questions, or reads facebook and gets anxious.
There is a way to reassert my stance for our family or provide information rather than going full autist and just STFU, fog or broken record. I can also reassert my stance and provide comfort without falling into her frame.
Is that fair?
man_in_the_world 4y ago
Yes.
This post by u/weakandsensitive gives part of the story.
The other aspect is effective leadership, by sharing through narrative a compelling vision that guides and inspires your people.
PaperAlpha 4y ago
That’s a great post. Thank you.
I am still at stage 1 - lift, read, find frame. I have gotten ahead of myself and shared vision too many times without follow through.
I had the “sex is important in marriage” talk with my wife a few years ago and proceeded to act like a total faggot for the next.. few years. Makes me cringe. Done it at work with different things (we are going to have x discussion every x).
I am going to stfu, get strong, and find my narrative to share.
part_wolf 5y ago
OYS 24
Well, I’ve been failing comfort tests and not on purpose. That dynamic brought up a fight that made its way to another “main event" type of conversation. There may be some blind spots and ideas I'm not completely connecting on this, so here we go.
My attention has been directed elsewhere lately, rather than toward my wife. Combined with the stress of her trying and failing to get pregnant, the conversation boiled down to a bunch of shitty comfort tests.
A few highlights include the following:
“You always do X, Y, Z and it makes me feel..."
“I feel like I’m always having to prove my value to you!”
“You don’t really want me in your life!”
“I can’t take this anymore”
“You get to the point of saying ‘fuck it’ so quickly in our marriage.”
“I’m tired of you gaslighting me and picking apart my words.”
I looked her dead in the eyes and with full and complete control of my anger, I told her that I wasn’t going to be demonized in my own marriage and that I’d rather leave. I'm not going to take accountability and blame for every single bad feeling she's ever had in the context of our marriage. It’s not personal - I’m comfortable with being the bad guy if necessary but if the sole narrative is “wolf is the bad guy” then that relationship is not worth investing in.
If I had not been willing to walk out the door for good in that moment, I would have been incredibly incongruent. I have completely internalized the difference between being willing to nuke everything and, at the same time, preferring not to do so.
Once she was completely broken down in hysterics, I dialed back the anger and uncovered what the real issue was: my wife was afraid to invest in our marriage again because she was scared that I would hurt her and push her away as I did before. Fuck rule 9; this shit is relevant. The weaker version of me did a lot of damage to my marriage.
Once we addressed that main point, we talked about a few ways that we are both still competing in our marriage, and we discussed those. The cynicism from my abandonment issues runs deep, and that’s been creating a barrier to a meaningful connection with my wife. All I can say here is that the road from anger to resentment to cynicism to openness has been a long and winding one, and I’m still on it. I own that fully.
I explicitly told her that we need to destroy the scoreboard, and that idea was well received.
For the first time since our wedding, we actually made a very solid overt contract about what we want and need out of our marriage. I brought up five specific things that I need to have from my wife, and I asked her to do the same. Here's are mine:
I doubt anyone gives a fuck about her five things, but my wife’s are:
Within these 10 elements lies the key to understanding how the masculine and feminine polarity is taking shape in my marriage. The first three needs of mine are things I have to earn, and I fully own that. All five of my wife’s needs are given as gifts to a high value man that is worthy of them. As someone who skimmed through Way of The Superior Male rather quickly the first time through the sidebar, I need to dive back into it to better understand these lessons.
We also discussed the kind of behaviors we want to foster in our marriage, and the kind of behaviors that we want to avoid. The idea of negative and positive feedback loops is starting to become a theme, but I wanted to touch on it to make sure she understood my expectations. I’m not going to tolerate negative feedback loops in my marriage any more; it’s simply unconstructive.
After plenty of crying and snot bubbles and Kleenex, my wife ended our conversation with a question:
“Do you think you can uphold those things?”
Looking past the words themselves, what I heard was, “do you think you can do the work and be the man I want you to be?”
“Of course I can honey. Good night.”
Looking back, the last time this type of conversation happened my ego roared triumphantly. This time, unlike on New Year’s Eve, there were no feelings of victory and superiority - just peace, as per my mission. It seemed like a big, important fight that ended up being resolved rather cleanly, with a mutual understanding of the path forward and a sense of calm and closure.
Progress is progress.
redpillruminations 5y ago
So what's your love language?
part_wolf 5y ago
Oral.
Vegasman20002 5y ago
I am curious from the guys who have successfully navigated OPs situation: what are the responses to the "highlights" of OP's discussion? I tried to think how I would respond and all I can up with was STFU
part_wolf 4y ago
Let me first caveat this by saying I'm clearly still in the process of figuring some of this stuff out, so my answer isn't meant as a best practice or even a good example. This is simply what I did.
“You always do X, Y, Z and it makes me feel..." I straight up ignored the superlative "always" because it was bait. I simply said, "stop linking all of your bad feelings to my behaviors."
“I feel like I’m always having to prove my value to you!” I ignored this. I've shown my wife that I value her.
“You don’t really want me in your life!” I said, "I don't want to be in a relationship where I'm demonized all the time. It's not specific to you."
“I can’t take this anymore” I ignored this. She calmed down.
“You get to the point of saying ‘fuck it’ so quickly in our marriage.” I said, "I find it difficult to be kind and compassionate when someone is villainizing me."
“I’m tired of you gaslighting me and picking apart my words.” This angered me, so I basically nuked it.
"You tell me that you want to be 'heard and understood' and when I try to understand what the fuck you're saying, you accuse me of attacking you and gaslighting you. Get bent."
Blarg_Risen 4y ago
He did well to start eliminating the scoreboard. But all going overt did was show her the map to the vision. It doesn't give her confidence that he can get them there or that it's the right way. As /u/HornsofApathy said, her lack of confidence showed brightly when asking him if he would be able to uphold his promises.
Change comes about when a person decides to do something about feeling uncomfortable. All this conversation was was wolf's wife saying "I'm uncomfortable", and her very last statement tacks on "Do you think you'll be able to do what's necessary to make me comfortable?"
So if I had to place a bet, id bet /u/part_wolf is going to spend the next 2 months doing his part, all while she does Jack shit to improve. He'll realize something is amiss in 2 months, then take another 1 to realize she isn't doing her part. Then he'll either confront her directly about it, restarting the scoreboard, or begin to make her uncomfortable again.
What do then? The point at which she's ready to join in his vision comes when she reaches the point "What can I do to change to fit your vision." Not a mutual change, but when she submits completely.
I have a policy when I help newer guys here. I'll push them around a bit and dig into their ego, and hint at my advice. If they reply with ego defensive bullshit, I'll leave them be. If however they roll over and show their belly, I'll offer much more in return. This isn't because I like AMOGing guys and get a hard on when they submit to me (that's only part of it), it's because the willingness to take me seriously comes once a person submits to your leadership. Anything else is LARPing submission. Like wolf's wife.
part_wolf 4y ago
This is all completely spot on, except for the last part. She’s not pretending to submit. She’s back and forth between scared/anxious around me (some of the time) and simply keeping the peace and not rocking the boat (the majority of the time). Which, although it’s a big improvement, is a far cry from where I’d like things to be.
HornsOfApathy 4y ago
He is currently learning how to hold frame. Some parts were good. But as a good woman will do, she will find the chinks in his armour better than anyone. She is still finding them. When found, the best he could have done until he csn congruently address them is to STFU and take it as a lesson.
Any amount of AA/AM there would likely, and I think OP will admit, been an attempt at just mindless power games for the sake of "winning" the shit test.
part_wolf 4y ago
Agreed. Pressure flip or nuking her unconstructive behavior was what I opted for, and it wasn't to "win" the point or the argument. It was to convey a message about my frame and boundaries.
HornsOfApathy 5y ago
I was kind of with you until:
Please tell me who's frame that whole conversation was in. You were doing so well until you let her reassert it was yet... once again... that you are the demon.
Fucking hell, man. So close. Keep grinding. You should have just STFU.
part_wolf 5y ago
That last one is such a good observation, and I didn’t even catch it. This is the feedback I was hoping for.
I took the framing of that last question as, “are you going to do the work to not push me away again” - specifically with respect to my abandonment issues - but you’re absolutely right. A reassertion that I’m the villain. I honestly don’t blame her, I’ve been feeding these negative thought patterns of hers for far too long. Totally my fault.
I didn’t mention the second part of what I said, which was, “Of course I can, but I’m not going to be all of those things 100% of the time.” It might sound like a cop out, but I’ve said repeatedly that I have a difficult time being kind and compassionate when she’s acting like a bitch and making me out to be the bad guy. That context is already there.
As to the frame of the conversation, she started off innocently enough with trying to share some feelz about feeling ignored and scared. I’ve been trying to take a page out of Blarg’s book and give her some open and honest communication, but that fed the hamster and she went from sharing feelings to characterizing my behavior to expressing some latent resentment for things I did in the past.
I’ve stopped being angry at her, and I’ve stopped resenting her, and I’ve stopped criticizing her but you know how it is - sometimes she still feelz like I do those things. I’m no longer subscribing to that bullshit. So, she went from playing fair to playing dirty in that conversation real fast and I’ve got a very low tolerance for it at this point.
The thing that stood out is that she asked me for an apology for mocking her a bit, and I told her to forgive me and that my genuine reaction was “some of the shit you’re saying is absolutely ridiculous.” No surprise that came off as mocking.
Let me answer your question more directly. Looking back at it I can see a couple points where the conversation was in her frame. I’m not bullshitting myself, but this is better than where I was at 6 months ago.
Appreciate the feedback. It’s well taken, and the work never stops.
johneyapocalypse 4y ago
That's a wordy way of saying that your neediness and insecurity is off-putting and effete and while your wife has endured it for years and years and is finally sharing with you some honest issues of resentment she has developed - you are focusing - in some ways good, in some ways not so good - on yourself and your "abandonment issues" - rather than, for perhaps just a minute, surrendering this thin veneer of improvement, masculinity, and "red pill" brotherhood - to listen to and absorb what she is actually telling you.
One of the bits of fiction around here is that "the big change" so often discussed results in women and their "feelz" impeding the progress of the many born-again men - when in reality - it is nothing more than their (valid) perceptions that this incongruous "change" you're so aware of is - simply - not consistent.
At this point - and it's the norm at six months or whatever - your wife would probably like some consistency more than anything. Bombs need not constantly erupt to demonstrate your progress.
"Cynicism from abandonment issues" is like cancer. It doesn't just reveal itself overnight but instead grows over time, insidiously spreading its roots to every nook and cranny... and I'm not talking about what's in your head - your insecurities, your neediness - I'm talking about the challenge of being married to that and enduring it for years.
part_wolf 4y ago
u/johneyapocalypse comparing my problems to cancer gives me great pause.
Thank you for this.
RedSaxophone 5y ago
OYS 0 - Introduction
30yo, 6’3”, 292 lbs. Wife 39yo, married 3, together 6. 2yo son
Lifts Gym reopened at 25%. Stats for next OYS.
Readings NMMNG (rereading), WISNIFG, TWOTSM, MMSLP, MAP, sidebar.
This first post is a picture of what happened, to own my shit, and highlight the mental models that have failed.
I’ve been lurking for 7 months and appreciating the wisdom of STFU, even in MRP, while internalizing these concepts. I did a private OYS and it took 4 months to be able to own my frame loss without being a bipolar self-pitying-beta/LARPing-alpha. I need accountability, so here I am.
Side-note: I tried to post last week. Hit the 10,000 character limit… had almost 40k characters. Re-read and realized I started with an entire section that was just validation-seeking that my wife is hot and then bitching about her… for fuck’s sake, STFU and stay in your frame.
The root comment is my failures, my MAP progress, and homework for next week. I’ve still put the condensed pill-taking narrative as a second comment, because I might as well throw some meat in the arena. Have fun, y'all.
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Initial Failure
I let my vetting process go because my now-wife is hot. It was extremely validating to have exploratory, exhibitionist sex with an incredibly hot, educated woman who waxed her pussy. Even though she didn’t need my care, my inner nice guy sacrificed my identity for her anyways. I ignored the warning signs of “happy wife, happy life, yuk yuk” BP bullshit, the matrilineal culture of her family, absentee father and derivative abandonment issues, plus the accompanying “men can’t do anything” eye-rolling attitude (beta-bux stepdad). I took what was the (first) prime of my life and surrendered all of it for external validation, even when I didn’t like being with her. She was different than anyone I had dated before and I took that as a challenge.
Health Failure
My Granddad and I were distant until I entered grad school. Suddenly, we started relating as men. He grew from a distant, legendary family figure to a trusted mentor. When he died, my then-girlfriend jumped in to help - taking care of travel arrangements, making sure I was ready to deliver the eulogy, and joining my side.
Unfortunately, I failed to honor his memory by allowing the death to become an excuse. I stopped training for half-marathons, then stopped running entirely, and fell into a depression. I tried to solve it medically, instead of spiritually, and got on an SSRI. I ended up with serotonin syndrome, put on 50-80 lbs, and became a sexless manchild that my fiancee had to take care of, rather than a man adding value.
Sexual Failure
About two years into dating, right before I proposed, she found porn on my computer. She was livid and I went full DEER in my response. I acted like I was “wrong” to appease her. She lost her confidence and cut sex to a drip. The honest truth is that I was weak, lost my abundance mindset and stopped initiating after the SSRI and weight gain. I used porn as a way to avoid rejection of my needs, projecting that I didn’t want to “bother” her for sex when she was busy.
Financial Failure
After getting engaged, she got a great fellowship opportunity on the east coast. We decided to leave school before finishing our dissertations, and I would enter the workforce full-time to support our higher cost of living.
Unfortunately, things did not go according to plan. Hiring freezes pushed my start date back 3 months. I borrowed money from my Dad. We decided to tank my credit and I defaulted on several debts to stay afloat, reasoning we could use her credit alone to apply for things. I didn’t realize how much that would affect my own confidence and autonomy by handing over our now-joint finances to her.
Mindset Failure
Once we were married, I expected I would come home to my wife, we would fuck like newlyweds and build household bliss, like the early days of our relationship. However, I wasn’t attractive, worked from home for 3 years, and never gave a thought to creating any polarity or anticipation. I didn’t communicate my desire and was enervating rather than energizing. There was no abundance, just mutual resentment that I wasn’t the prize.
Career Failure
My nice guy tendencies boiled over into my work performance. I let her interrupt my work day in order to bring whatever she forgot that morning into town (90+ minute round trip), even if it was unnecessary. In terms of our polarity, it reinforced that not only did I not go into work, but my job wasn’t that busy and I wasn’t a critical part of my team. I sacrificed performance at 2 dream jobs, essentially finding my next job before I could get fired.
Social Failure
In our college town, I was the mayor - knew all the bartenders, bouncers, patrons - had multiple groups I’d go out with, did the rounds when I came in. It was my element. Had groups I did stuff outside of bars with - hiking, music, basketball, cycling...
When we moved, I stopped having a social life. Part of me thought we’d be moving back quickly, so why bother? The only people I talked to were my in-laws in the area and my D&D group, led by an in-law. (Leaving the house to shoot some hoops turned into D&D? Christ.)
Hobbies Failure
I stopped any hobbies - cycling, hiking, music, reading - hell, even drinking and gaming. I just became boring as fuck and stopped nurturing anything for myself. Every night got pissed away to “fuckarounditis”.
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My MAP Today
Where am I today in rebuilding frame?
Homework
2wo2wo3hree 4y ago
“I let my vetting process go because my now-wife is hot. It was extremely validating to have exploratory, exhibitionist sex with an incredibly hot, educated woman who waxed her pussy.”
-First, You have to get over your wife. She’s way over the wall at 39. So, in terms of hotness in the SMP, she wouldn’t be near the top in hotness. You’re framing this by saying your wife is hot. The reality is this post wall 40 year old is the hottest chick you can fuck right now because you’re not attractive enough for hotter options. You’re seeing her as a prize.
johneyapocalypse 5y ago
50% of your words are about your wife. You frame the paragraphs as though they're about you, but in reality, you're writing all of them relative to your wife.
In the second section, though, you focus on yourself.
Lucky.
RedSaxophone 4y ago
Thanks, but it's not luck. It's doing the work that got me to the second section.
The first section my frame collapsed into my wife's. I needed to own that. In the second section, I recognize I'm not fixing "her", "us", or "the marriage" — I'm fixing myself.
Clearly, more work to do.
RedSaxophone 5y ago
Taking the Pill
So that’s my complete frame loss - slowly, then all at once. There’s also my present action to move it. This is a narrative of how I got to MRP and some exposure about the road I’m on.
After I lost my frame, something weird happened: she lost her frame too. Laid off at 7 months pregnant, almost died during childbirth, which took 4 months to recover. The ship had a drunk captain and an incapacitated first officer. I got it together, stepped up to take care of her and my son, becoming his primary caregiver.
However, the moment she got better, fighting resumed - hard. She had rage attacks - hours-long tantrums that I was in no way prepared to deal with. She started screaming that I was abusing her or hurting her when I left, threatening to take away access to my son forever.
The cops got involved twice at my call. The first time I backed down, not wanting to escalate further by arresting her. The second time she was brought in for an involuntary evaluation after throwing a 3 hour tantrum then trying to jump out of the car on the way to a home inspection. I’m proud of keeping my head on and not lashing out at her. I know the optics - I'm a big dude. I know that if I lift a finger, I am fucked.
When she was released from the hospital after 3 hours as “just having a tough time”, I realized just how alone and out of control my life had gotten. The only thing I could actually change was myself. I looked at the relationship and how much I had let myself disappear.
MRP at 30
My 30th birthday hit like a ton of bricks - no one ever says someone in their 30s “has potential” - they’re either doing things, or not. I realized how much time I was wasting “on the relationship” and told her I wanted a divorce, showed her the papers. She pleaded her way into trying to work it out, but a month later explicitly told me she would cheat on me if she could - framing it as “You’re lucky, I never told my ex that.”
I found MRP just in time… NMMNG and WISNIFG resonated with me. I realized I had to articulate what I wanted if I was ever going to get it and learn to be honest with myself. I had sold myself into the BP “happy wife, happy life” rather than recognizing I am the source of my own happiness. I hadn’t asked “what do I want to do?” only “what will she think if I do this?” for the past 4 years.
Further, /u/HornsOfApathy’s Depressed and Anxious Wives posts reinforced how much of this was my fault for tolerating mediocrity in myself. Reading the literature on the ILYBINILWY speech and how it was a challenge to improve helped me not lose sight and panic. The anger phase comes and goes.
Early Gains and Losses
My first major, recognized shit test was Thanksgiving. We were hosting my family (her in-laws). Two days before, she threw a tantrum that she was upset we didn’t spend enough “relationship time” over the weekend. She cancelled all the food orders and told me to tell my family traveling from 4 states not to show up. I man up, tell her that I’ll be placing the orders and will refocus my efforts on hosting, not on convincing her to do it. She was aghast that it was so easy to write her out.
Suddenly, when we woke up on Thanksgiving morning, she was in the kitchen making the meal, sending me out to visit with my family, and providing a great time for her in-laws. The next night I explicitly gave her the house to herself to decompress from being “on”, verbally reinforcing her positive work. She spent the entire evening that I was out sending me pictures in multiple pieces of lingerie, texting me all her fantasies for each outfit, videos of how wet she was, the whole 9 yards. It showed me how much red pill - or really just taking responsibility - works.
It’s been on and off since then. Weeks of gains, followed by a week of blowing it apart. Finally, I learned to just leave and do my own thing. She started vocalizing dread. She wrote to both my parents that she thought I was cheating on her. She realized I was creating the life I wanted with or without her. I got an office job. Picked up hobbies again. Polarity was being restored. Work performance was up. My exes reached out via social media. I was becoming the man I wanted to be - good dad, reliable colleague, outdoorsy, creative, curious...
COVID and Quarantine
Then COVID hit. At first, we fucked like rabbits - mirrors, lingerie, enthusiasm... but the mystery soon ended after spending 24/7 with each other. Then daycare closed, and we had the kid in the mix. COVID multiplied her work (health care admin) and we started living as roommates, getting on different sleep schedules. I failed to be attractive and put on 25 lbs, erasing my progress. At least I remembered that I could still leave and hike, even in a quarantine. I explicitly set a boundary about rage attacks on weekends. When that was crossed 7 out of 8 weekends, I found that I was having more joy on my own. Doing my own thing led to a hilarious shit test that I had brought the virus into our home, when she had allergies.
When we went a month without sex, I got a lawyer on retainer. I started taking the kid with me when I left. On the first anniversary of the police incident, it became clear this wasn’t getting better. I told her I wanted a divorce, but also articulated what it would take to make this work to give her a fighting shot and to be honest with myself. She tried to pressure flip. I was a broken record “I’m not happy with this marriage. This is what needs to change. You’re right that I’m not fighting for you. I’m ready to leave.”
Since then, it’s been… less awful.
Pulling the Trigger
So why haven’t I pulled the trigger? I’ve been through a lot of rounds of this in the past year.:
The MRP rule of thumb is 1 month per year of beta. My frame loss started 5 years ago. I’ve been doing the sidebar and doing a private OYS for 7 months. I’ve been able to clearly articulate my frame loss for 3 months now. Lifting has been on and off for 7 months. At a minimum with COVID loss of lifts, I should give this at least 2 more months to unplug. Honestly, with accountability of public OYS, I should give it 5 again.
Present
In the meantime, I’ve learned how to isolate my life from her interruptions and recognize her threats as hot air. I’ve accepted that fixing the marriage isn’t urgent: fixing my life is. I’ve given her the rope. While I’m focused on becoming a man, she can use it to get on board, drag along (and get cut off), or hang herself. I’ve learned that her feelings right now don’t matter, what matters is whether I remain congruent with myself.
This week she violated all of my points, told me my baseline didn’t matter when confronted on it. I didn’t argue back. I stayed the course while she emoted. Yesterday she called some doctors, followed through on my other points. She woke up with the kid for the first time in 6 weeks. She went to get her pussy waxed. She cheerfully did the tasks I gave her. We fucked. Excited to see what shit test she’s got cooked up for tonight.
The stay plan is the go plan.
Acta non verba.
rotkohlblaukraut 4y ago
90% of your post is about the past, about rationalizations and excuses. Fucking multi-volume Historical Encyclopedia Saxophonia. Typical academic - wordy, rationalizing, living life in your head. Nothing that special about your story either. In the present moment (the one that matters), you're fucking fat, reactive, angry, and a pushover. Your wife is dealing with some serious trauma not to mention that she sees you the same way I just described. Hardly surprising you both are where you are now. Johnny gave you some great insight; digest it well.
What are the odds you just keep spinning stories and excuses to feed your ego?
threekindsoflucky 4y ago
Rule 9
johneyapocalypse 4y ago
Pulling the Trigger
Understand that, for you, while "the MRP rule of thumb" is generally valid, it is likely more so being used as yet another excuse.
Great. You're excused.
And all that after writing this:
Translation:
Now all that comes after you write war & peace about your 7-month pregnant wife losing her job, then nearly dying in childbirth, jumping out of cars, getting locked up for evaluation, and all that jazz, including two calls to the police, by you.
And it all culminates in this:
So all this time with all your as-the-world-turns-drama you are gauging your progress - in life, as a man, "hitting 30," and everything - by the ratio of sex-to-anger in your relationship with your wife's vagina.
You are a mess.
She's getting fucked in the head by raging crazy hormones.
What about you?
Hormones - and your child - caused her to get fat.
What about you?
Granted, she sounds bitchy.
But then again, so do you.
Well, in your case, the stay plan is the go plan except of course for that fairly obvious dependency you have on the sweet, creamy validation occasionally dripping out of your wife's sacred vagina. Dripping in lockstep to your reactions to her emotions.
HornsOfApathy 4y ago
OP you've just been given an asskicking of a lifetime. Don't waste it.
MRP5248 5y ago
Age - 34. Weight - 150. Height - 5'10" Lifts 5RM - Squat 205, Deadlift 255, Row 135, Bench Press 155. Reading - NMMNG, MMSLP, WISNIFG, Book of Pook, WotSM, MAP. Relationship - Married 9 years, 5 year old son, 2 year old son.
Mission - To be the leader of myself and my family. To be a role model to my sons. To be fit and strong. To value experiences over things. To be really damn good at the work I do.
Physical - I was having difficulty doing the # of sets and weight increases on PHAT. Felt beat down, weak, tight, and had two small injuries to chest and neck. So, I moved back to 531 4 days per week. Going to stick with 531 for 6 months. Also going to try adding yoga 2 days per week for flexibility. It's easy to focus on which routine is best, when it's about working hard and eating well. Which routine isn't most important factor, consistency is.
I failed my goal of tracking calories. No excuse. I need to do this otherwise I'm working out and have no way of knowing if I'm eating enough to build muscle.
Last week, my wife asked if she could join me when I work out at home. I said sure. She has never wanted to work out with me in the last 10 years. She listened to my feedback and followed my routine. Not sure what to make of it.
Goal - Track calories every day until next OYS.
Career - I've lost interest in my 9-5 job, which has made it hard to stay focused. Need to fix this. I have been working on my career and made steady progress on a project for my portfolio. That project is actually interesting so easy to work on. Need to make projects at work more interesting to me.
Goal - Track time wasted at work on reddit. Replace with short walk, getting a drink, etc.
Financial - I had someone fix something at our house and they damaged our property. The business owner came out and made every excuse possible to not fix the property damage -
I was able to successfully employ Broken Record. I just keep saying things like,
That section about how someone has 9 excuses and you just need to keep your broken record 10 times was true. He just gave up making excuses, made a few phone calls, and the damage was fixed in a week. I also mentioned that I would withhold the check until the damage was repaired. I didn't withhold the check, but I did consult a lawyer friend and talk through next steps, if needed. I am proud that I confronted this conflict. Normally, I would have not been assertive like this. It felt great to win. It helped me believe in that WISNIFG book.
Social - I've mostly spent time with neighbors and their kids as most social gatherings are cancelled due to COVID19. My one neighbor has to ask his wife for permission for everything. Get ice cream? Use that trampoline in the backyard? Go on a trip to the lake? Let me ask my wife. It was irritating to watch how a he gave up the control of his own life simply to avoid conflict with his wife. Yes, she might not agree with us going in the backyard onto the trampoline, COVID is going to get us. Suck it up and make a decision that you feel is right, even if someone disagrees. Lately, I have been doing things knowing full well that my wife will disagree and it might lead to conflict. Before, I would have this internal monolog, WWWD? What Would Wife Do? I'm trying to kill that shit. I tell myself I'd rather face the disagreement on what to do than face being disappointed in myself for giving up control over my own life and decisions.
Marriage / Sex - This week I had an argument with my wife. Apparently I do not care enough about her hobbies / interest and I belittle or dismiss her when talking about them. At first, I DEER'ed so hard. I disagreed and then explained how I do show an interest in her hobbies. I gave examples to support my argument. Then, I realized I DEER'ed and STFU.
We agreed to continue the conversation that night. This gave me time to prepare. I reviewed WISNIFG and concepts like Agree With Truth / Negative Assertion / Negative Inquiry / Workable Compromise before round 2.
When the discussion came, I listened and then agreed with what she said,
The conversation lasted all of 10 minutes and it was calm the entire time. It felt good to just say the truth. I wasn't ashamed about not caring about certain things. However I don't want to be a man that belittles or dismisses people. I have no control over how she spends her time and I shouldn't judge her interests / hobbies.
Afterwards was a clear comfort test with hugs and "Do you think I'm interesting?" I recognized this comfort test and gave comfort, "Yes I think your interesting. That's why I'm still here with you. That and your nice ass." Later that night it was BJ's and good sex. She was all into it trying to please me. Trying not to validate myself through that sex, but I just noticed a change in sexual behavior after this argument.
The WISNIFG strategies work, it's just not natural yet. It doesn't just come out without thinking. Need to keep working on this.
I'm doing a NMMNG Breaking Free Activity each OYS.
NMMNG Breaking Free #2
It seems rational because people want to be liked and accepted by others. You can get validation from friends, family, coworkers, and sexual partners when they show acceptance of you. So you might hide certain things or eliminate certain things that you think other people wouldn't approve of or agree with. This way, they will like you more. It reminds me of middle / high school when you change yourself to be accepted by the cool kids, girls, etc.
People can also change who they are to improve themselves, not for any external reasons. If I want to be strong and fit, I will need to change who I am, how I spend my time, what I value. If I want to be strong and fit for intrinsic reasons, then I think that's a positive thing. Part of this MRP community is about changing ourselves, but changing ourselves for us, not anyone else.
threekindsoflucky 4y ago
We agreed? Who's frame do you think you were operating in?
MRP5248 4y ago
Yes, it was her that said "Let's talk tonight." I agreed because I was in the middle of a home repair project. It's a work in progress.
77mrpB2A 5y ago
4th OYS
Stats: 42, Married 11 years, together 16. 2 kids under 10.
Read: NMMNG, WISNIFG, MMSLP, Rational Male, Subtle Art, Unfuck Yourself, SGM, Models. WOTSM is up next, although I think I would benefit more from a reread of NMMNG.
Physical: 5’9”, 162 lbs. BF% via Navy method estimated at 15%. Measure 31.5” navel (down 0.5”) and 15” neck.
Lifts: Started Bigger Leaner Stronger PPL Deadlift: 225x6, Squat 225x6, Bench 155x5. Deadlift is ready to go up in weight; the video of my squat showed I need to get lower so will leave it as is until I do better.
Additional fitness goals: HIIT 3x per week - missed, completed only 1
8 km run 1x per week - missed last week
Nutrition: Eating 500 cal deficit from TDEE. Macro target 35% Protein, 30% fat, 35% Carbs. Actual results continue to be short on protein and high on fat. Indulged over the weekend on food and booze due to some special events. Now back at it, no worse for wear, as per the scale.
Relationship: Had a good week. She had a milestone birthday, and I did the best I could to make it a good one considering the restrictions. Sex was good and frequent - it has come a long way since the problems that first brought me here. There is a lot more interest and effort since the starfish days. It’s still pretty mechanical, though - we have a few go-tos that do the job for her a couple of times, then I finish. I recently read SGM and in particular need to focus on improving the D and the V. I’m certain she’s into it, I just need to lead her there.
Leadership and Social: I organized an event for the birthday, and it turned out really well, given the challenging circumstances. We have a lot of good people in our life, and this weekend showed how the effort we’ve put in over the past few years have strengthened our social ties. A number of things are now planned for the summer to look forward to.
On my to-do list is figure out what to do with the kids all summer. Normally we’d have all camps planned out back in March. Things are starting to open up in modified ways so I need to get on that before everything fills up.
Career: I struggle with motivation, and am procrastinating terribly. I have a major project I’m about to push over the line. There’s a vacuum of leadership on it, and while it’s not my job per se I pretty much have to drive it at this point. It involves offices from around the globe - some are urgently on board to get it going, others couldn’t give a shit. Trying to corral all the parties, as well as the executive sponsor who bounces in and out of it, is challenging. But, I need to get the SOW and contract executed by month end. Time to get to it.
SBIII 4y ago
You're a classic bedroom technician. Fuck for yourself, not for her.
And if you want to get your lifts up - you won't do it by cutting.
HornsOfApathy 4y ago
What kind of woman WANTS to be fucked in her frame I'll never know.
u/77mrpB2A give this a read. Learn how to fuck your woman.
77mrpB2A 4y ago
Good reminders here - thanks.
77mrpB2A 4y ago
Both fair points. I need to get out of my own head. As for cutting, I’m still squeezing out some newbie gains and want to get down closer to 12%. Then I’ll up the calories. Gaining weight has never been a problem.
SBIII 4y ago
Except weight on the bar.
77mrpB2A 4y ago
Touché.
MeanPhysics 5y ago
OYS: 23
37yo, 6’1”, 193lbs, 12%bf (Calipers). Married 9 yrs, together 12. 2 kids, 5 & 3. Bench 320, OHP 180, Squat 310
Read: Rational Male, NMMNG, MMSLP, WISNFG, Book of Pook, SGM, Models, Bang, Day Bang
Reading: Power of NOW
Swallowed the pill 9/2017, OYS since 9/2019
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Mental: Focused on being positive, expansive, unaffected by the world. I’ve got a ways to go here. I’ll find myself angry for… no good reason. Something small that I’ve let piss me off. I’m realizing that it’s actually fairly performative. I get mad to show that I’m mad, to show that someone else’s behavior isn’t good enough, or show that I’m not pleased with how I’ve performed in a given situation. I did this when I was a kid too. I’ve recognized it was how I kept attention in those times when I wasn’t doing well enough to get praise. Today, I’m just being a bitch. Now to keep catching myself in the act and correcting. Goal: visualize and live the attitude I want to have. Irrepressibly positive, in control of every situation, *especially* when others are behaving badly.
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Physical: Consistency + Sleep has been pretty transformational during lockdown. No surprise, except that I’d have told you before COVID that I *WAS* being consistent and getting good sleep. Really, though, the difference is pretty material. I’m getting 30-60 minutes more sleep, and working out on average 5 days / week instead of 4. The workouts themselves are about the same, though I’m probably a little more consistent in getting through all my exercises. So, 25% more workouts, \~10% more sleep and wow are the numbers going up. With the home gym, I should be able to keep this going even as things get back to normal… excited to see where the next plateau is for my lifts. Goal: Hit new PRs across all of my compounds in June.
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Social: Still dogshit, relatively speaking, but improving. Had 2 social interactions outside the house, but the world is much smaller right now than it was 6 months ago. Goal: Start getting out of the house 2x/week, for social interactions of some kind.
Family: Kids are great, but I’ve gotten a little lazy with them and haven’t been doing enough this past week to engage them. This is the best time of the year where I live, and we need to be out taking advantage of it. Goal: Keep the engagement up. Keep leading, keep teaching, keep having fun.
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Relationship: I’m too interested in what she thinks (see last week) and I’m not leading. I’ve improved here a TON, and she’s so, SO much more focused on my leadership, but I still have a ways to go. Signs of progress this week were her talking about getting sex as a reward for her for behaving well, and repeated mentions that she was glad to have my leadership with difficult / complex decisions. progress. Goal: Give no fucks and focus on really understanding what I want from all of this. Express those desires. Straightforward enough.
johneyapocalypse 4y ago
You bench 320 at 193 with 12% body fat.
Don't be angry.
On the other hand...
Occasional anger is fine. Jesus. Highly underrated just because a bunch of dudes say "never let anything bother you."
Yet on another hand...
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Gay, gay, gay.
Where is this homoerotic urge coming from? To never be angry? To be irrepressibly positive? To be in control of every situation? Jesus christ.
And you're like this with more, rather than less, sleep?
Sure, being cooped up is a bummer - though you're so damn anti-social it sounds like it doesn't matter - and based on the rest of your drivel it seems like you're just simmering in anger towards your wife - you're "too interested in what she thinks" - so your solution is to become:
In other words, because you're a dumbass dancing monkey possessed of near-record levels of validations needs from your wife, paradoxically helping your muscle building efforts due largely in part to an excess of constant frustration resulting in hormonal increases, and further, that you're constantly angry at both her and yourself, your solution is... to... become an avenger?
Jesus. Are you aware of this word:
Moderation.
It means: the avoidance of excess or extremes. The action of making something less extreme.
I'd suggest you chill out a bit, get out of your head, cut back on the tren, and focus on finding the middle ground, not the extremes.
And above all else fuck off with all this pressure. Self-imposed, externally-imposed, it's all the same. It's just going to give you a heart attack.
MeanPhysics 4y ago
... I am pretty happy with my bench.
Look, let me be more precise. I don't think it's possible to never be angry, and as you say, even if it were possible, it wouldn't be a good thing. I *DO* need to have better control over my emotions. That's been the case for me for a while. Early on, I needed to control my neediness, I needed to base my self-perception on how much validation I was able to get from my wife. I've made progress there (validation is an issue, but far less than previously), and but I've recognized that I can be an angry bitch sometimes, and I don't think that's productive. I let the situation take control of my emotions, and I don't practice enough self control.
In control of every situation honestly seems like a solid goal to have, but help me see where that goes wrong.
Yes. The first at least 18 months were 100% dancing monkey program. Generally, I had thought I'd gotten past that, but I'm beginning to think I've replaced "dancing monkey" with "pissed the hell off because this still isn't enough"
Yeah. This is true. When things are going well, I think I'm past it. Bravo to me, pats on the back. Then when I'm not getting the behavior I want, of course always from my wife, I go from "life is good, I'm awesome" to "burn it all to the motherfucking ground" in about 10 seconds. This is the anger reaction that I'm trying to control. Maybe control is the wrong way to approach it. Maybe I can't white-knuckle this one into submission. I suspect it's back to my question above. Getting rid of the validation seeking behavior. Giving fewer fucks.
Man have I tried. I have not yet succeeded. How do I do this? historically, it's been 1) Identify validation seeking behavior 2) Force myself to change that behavior. But here I am, still getting worked into a lather because my wife hasn't built her world around me.
How do I change this?
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I mean, that'll be enough for her, right? Tell me that'll be enough. ...fuck me.
shumbappan 5y ago
OYS#5
3 months since last OYS. No excuses for not posting. Have been journalling but fell into a slump. Just being a lazy faggot for the most part.
Stats: 37yo 5'9" 201lbs (-6 lbs from last OYS and -8 from OYS1) \~ 24%BF, wife 37yo, married 13 yrs, kids 2 - 10 and 4.
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Reading
Have read almost all of the sidebar. Reread of NMMNG also done - I found it resonating with me a lot more this time. I have to read it again and work through the exercises within the next 1 month. I am reading Power of Now right now. A very interesting book. Before this I read Six pillars of Self Esteem - another very good book - I can clearly see I have a lot of self esteem issues and a lot of it is lack of congruency with who I am and who I present to the world. This also ties into NMMNG.
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Physical
3×5 working weights SQ 200, BP 170, OHP 105, BR 155, DL 300. Lifting 5 days a week at minimum.
I am on a cut right now so it has not been easy pushing weight higher though I have had some progress since last OYS. But I have also been guilty of fuckarounditis at times. Especially on the diet. Been doing a Keto/slightly relaxed PSMF type of diet for the last 1-2 months. I have lost weight but nowhere near what could have been possible if I were more strict. I stick to it during the week and then binge on Friday/Saturday undoing a lot of progress. Time to be more strict - need to lose around 20 pounds in next 4 months - because this is where I have potential for most improvement.
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I have been at this for almost a year now. My life right now is like night and day compared to where I was a year back. But I still have a ton of issues I need to fix. Ton of areas where I am not OYS - where I am being a lazy faggot. And there is no excuse for that. I am back to OYS to keep myself accountable. I am using a different format this time - will go back to the old one from next time.
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What has gone well?
I care less about what other people think. I am beginning to find some semblance of my sense of self. What is it that I want? This is however slow progress for me. A lifetime of living in others frames has been difficult to alter.
I am staying out of her head a lot. But still wander in there from time to time. What I see there is nothing more than my own insecurities reflected back at me. In other words, I need to not care at all what she thinks about anything and do what I want to do. Live life on my own terms.
I have taken my career/work and moved it to a different level completely over the last 1 year. I agree with a lot of what Dr Glover says in NMMNG - Nice guys self sabotage. Owning my shit, following strict discipline/process, taking what I learnt here into my work - all of this made huge differences that I could not even have believed possible a while back. For context, I pulled in 5X $ last month what I pulled in around a year back. This is huge and made a big difference in everything. I was just coasting before. I got my drive and mojo back. There is a lot more I can do here and it also ties in with my mission.
I was a fat slob. Lost around 25-30 lb and put on some muscle since starting. I look VERY different from around a year back. But this is also another area I am fucking up in terms of how much more I could have done.
Sex and relationship. Once again night and day from a year back. Sex is around 2-3 times a week. If no sex, usually a BJ. I am staying out of her head for the most part. I am telling myself not to care about her orgasm and am successful for the most part. I am doing what I want mostly without getting into her frame. But there is still a lot of room for improvement. I still get a little butthurt at times on rejections but this is much much better than before. I have a lot more work to do here though. I need to really stop getting into her head when it comes to sex. I also need to really differentiate between when I am initiating for validation vs just wanting sex. I find it difficult at times to make this distinction - I am not sure if that is just me…
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Where am I guilty of fuckarounditis/ Where I need to be better?
Physical - I could have done a lot much more here. I have only managed to lose 8-9 lbs in the last 6 months. I yo-yo between plans and diets instead of sticking with something. I moved from OMAD to calorie counting to PSMF to….. whatever.. you get the picture. I stick to it for some time just say fuck it in one day and binge eat. There is no excuse here. You get what you put in and I am not putting in enough right now.
I have been drinking too much. This ties in with above/losing weight. I drink once a week on Friday but it is around 5 drinks some weeks and this leads to bad food choices as well. I am making a commitment in this OYS to not drink at all for 3 weeks and then re-evaluate my relation with alcohol afterward. This will also help with the physical above.
I have been watching porn on and off. I stay away for a week maybe more but then always fall back into the cycle of watching again. I want to stay away but boredom, stress, loneliness - all of these at times - I choose porn as an escape mechanism. There is no excuse for this because porn is a shitty escape method and it has a lot of other issues. The shame, blame of self, loss of self image - all of this adversely affects in other areas. And it fucking makes me lazy. What am I doing here? I have made a commitment to join a mens group online for this - they will have weekly meetings and general fellowship. I think this will help a lot. In addition to this, I will post in OYS here going forward to keep myself accountable.
Lifting - I should be much more ahead that what I am right now. The physical aspects I wrote of above are holding me back. Fix that and I will have room to improve this too.
Staying in my head/Overthinking/Anxiety - Yes I have all of these problems. It is better than where I was but I still have it. I am working on this. But have to admit I am too fucking fearful of everything. I care too much about what others think about me - still. I have to keep telling myself I am my own judge and I am the only one who should decide how I should feel - no one else has any power over me. I am working through exercises in the self esteem book, NMMNG.. reading through Power of Now right now - and I think this also will help. I need to get out of my comfort zone more.
Making friends - Another area where I suck. This kind of ties in with above. I have close friends but they are all old friends. With things opening up, I need to make more of an effort to get out more and make new friends.
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In spite of all the issues, on the whole, I like my life now compared to where I was. I am no longer a passive participant in my own life. I lead my family. I have a mission. Lots to do. Lots to work on.
threekindsoflucky 4y ago
Not a fan of the sex and relationship section but i do like how the focus is on you. Lots of I statements.
shumbappan 4y ago
One of the things I internalized after coming here is that I can only control myself - why worry about things I cannot control.
I suppose this attitude needs to be built further into the sex and relationship section as well.
Is this what you meant by your comment about not being a fan of that section? Work in progress to stay out of her frame there.
Brushy_Bill_Roberts 5y ago
OYS #12
Age: 39, Wife: 36, Married 11 years, Together 17 Years, Two Kids under 10
Height: 6’2”, Weight: 240, Body Fat: 25% (Navy
Estimated)
Lifts: Bench: 230 x 5, Squat: 405x 2, Dead: 405 x 4, Pull Up: Body Weight x3. Program Jet Fit 5 Day Muscle Mass Split.
Read- MMSLP, NMMNG, WISNIFG, RM 1, 2, TWOTSM, Poon, Pook, HTWFAIP, Game, Day Bang, FuccFiles
MAP Reading: Working On Troy Francis renegade dating blueprint (1 Day a week). I am still working on reviewing WISNIFG with my journal chapter by chapter to better understand and lock in the concepts. Still working on this book ( 1 Day a Week). Reading has come to a halt; I have been outside each night working on getting projects done.
Mission: Take 12 months to get myself in order and work on wrong mental models to give me the tools to clarify and create my mission.
Fitness:
I made it to the gym four times this week. I missed one day this week with some kidney issues that I am working with my doctor to get them fixed.
I walked/ jogged to the gym each for three workouts. I took my son for one early morning session.
Goal: Make Gym Round Trip of 4 Miles average 12 this has been moved to July 1st as I did not make it to 12 minutes I averaged 14.
I set my goal calories at 2,200 per day; this gives me an average deficit of 700 calories per day. I have downloaded my fitness pal to track my food and started to measure all of my food to be as accurate. I calculate it will take 5.5 months to reach my goal.
Relationship:
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It has been a good week between the wife and I as I have been more playful, she also is slightly more playful, and I have noticed that as I have used more sexual innuendoes, she is starting to as well. Being more playful is a change from the past where it was much more a business-type relationship, where my shitty attitude and angry demeanor had sucked all the fun out of me and, in turn, our interactions. I have been reading some articles and reviewing my journal and thoughts. I realized that I have been very overtly sexual with my Kino, focusing on the parts of the body I like ass and breasts. In my reading, I have started to try to use an escalation ladder approach where I begin early in the day and rub across and arm and then a shoulder and back and to do this slowly as it is a change in my behavior. My goal in this is to keep my touch sexual but to work on building sexual tension throughout the day.
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I initiated twice this week, and in both cases, I was turned down, and I stated ok and moved on to other takes I had planned for the day. The first time I came downstairs to switch my laundry around and to check my work email. I felt that bit of anger starts in the back of my head, and then the advice of SBIII ran through my head that I was becoming the pissy little boy and at this point, I had to decide am I going to leave and be pissy or be around the house and be pissy? I decided that neither of those was attractive outcomes or would move towards where I want to go; instead, I asked myself what are you going to do about it? I decided that when I saw her again, I would continue to Kino her as if her saying no to me never happened.
Mindset:
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Thank You to johneyapocalypse for sharing this post with me. I feel like I am at war with myself.. His response has helped me to see how weak I am and just how hard I have been working to see other people as pawns in my personal chess game, and then I get upset when they do not react the way that I wanted them too. It also helped me to see how in remaining angry, no one else cares that I am mad. The only person that has ever cared if I am angry is me, and then I get stuck in a cycle of being angry as a way not to have to do the work to get better or to take the blame as my own as I have handed my power to anger. As well, in my anger, I have overlooked my own shortcomings as a man and spent too much time blaming other's faults.
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I have spent my downtime this week reflecting on this post. I have read this post every morning as a way to start to calibrate my day on the understanding that I have to figure out what I want out of life and what I want to do each and every day. I understand now that every minute that I am angry is a minute that I waste towards figuring out who I am and making a plan for who I want to be. This week I feel like the war within myself has ended, and now my challenge is to figure out who I am. What I thought I suppose to do in life has made me miserable, and currently, I must struggle to find what makes me happy.
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Things From Last Week-
1- Get 6 Cardio and 5 Lifts In this Week- (4 and 4 Fail)
2- Get 4 Morning Sprint Workouts with Son- (1 Fail)
3- Get Pool Heater Plumbed in and Propane Tank in and Pool Heater Going- (Completed)
4- Get Fire Pit Center Fire Ring Built-(Failed)
5- Finish Fire Pit Retaining Wall Dirt Work and Plant Grass Seed( Dirt work done, Grass not planted- Fail)
6- Get out on the Motorcycle- (Completed)
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Things for this Week
Get 6 Cardio and 5 Lifts in this Week
Get 2 Morning Sprint Workouts in with Son
Get Fire Pit Center Ring Built
Get a Round of Golf In with a Buddy
Get Out on the Kayak
Cam_Winston21 4y ago
MFP is a great tool, but keep in mind that the TDEE is a very rough estimate, could be off by several hundred.
Something to consider that will help drop fat is to realize that on days you're not at the gym, there is no reason for you to eat all 2,200 calories other than to sate your desire for food. You need to drop at least X lbs, so unless you're on specific medication can we admit that if your goal is to burn body fat, there is one reason for you to wake up on an off day and eat breakfast, and that reason is "but, it tastes good"?
Keep in mind that very time you put food into your pie hole, you stop your body from burning fat for energy. AKA, the opposite of what you're wanting to do in order to reach your goal.
johneyapocalypse 4y ago
You know I used to take a day off - I had this "vision" of sunday brunch. Then I realized I wasn't actually eating brunch.
I am now at 21/22 hours every day without fail and - weirdly - turn down food if available earlier - not to meet some magical numbers or ocd - just that I'm never hungry outside of 21/22 hours anymore.
The only thing I occasionally notice is that my stomach bothers me - not hunger - but I could see how dudes would confuse it for hunger - usually a day after a couple drinks or a day of having a particularly strong cup of coffee. Just a glass of raw ginger takes that edge off.
Cam_Winston21 4y ago
One of the best things I ever did was do intense research on fasting & the benefits. Once the mental hurdle is crossed, it's no big deal. The results of OMAD & extended fasting or IF in my 50s are much better, much easier and more visually obvious than the years of 6 small meals and counting macros. The 6 meal thing works for a few months, then fat gains become evident.
According to the Zero app I'm just under 19 over the last 500 consecutive days. Never going back.
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rotkohlblaukraut 5y ago
This is good shit. Some people never figure this out even after 80 or 90 years (just ask my parents, LOL). It's great to "see" new things, like shit tests, or how the sexual marketplace operates, but seeing firsthand the bullshit that your mind concocts, and seeing how stupid most of it is, that's where the rubber hits the road and tranformation happens.
Brushy_Bill_Roberts 5y ago
Anger and Blame are to Progress; What Simple Carbs and Sugar are to Weight Loss.
Easy to find and make you feel better in the moment but the guilt afterwards is a real bitch.
I struggle with both at points.
DirtyNuke 5y ago
OYS 47 - Geezer edition
Age 64 Ht 5'11" Wt 169 Wife 66 Married 43 Together 46
Reading TRM(v3)
A quote from TRM(v3) that hit home: "When a man is faced with the prospect of rebuilding himself after living so long under false pretenses, after having all he believed he was building turn up to be a lifetime of wasted effort, he’s faced with two real options; recreate himself or destroy himself.[...] the majority of men (Betas) more commonly don’t have the personal strength to recreate themselves." The first time this happened, after ten years together, I did try to destroy myself. The second time, 35 years later I had begun the re-creation process and did not.
Physical
Good news! The nearby franchise gym (Anytime Fitness) is now open a real 24 hours a day - so I can go at 3am and be back "at work" in time for calls with UK and Budapest. It is not perfect - the squat rack doesn't have "spotter bars" and it only has 5lb increment dumbbells. It does have cables, lat pulldown, etc, so I signed up. For now I didn't try for any "max", I just wanted to see if I still remembered how to do a proper squat etc at all.
For you kids (anyone under 50) the message is "lift" to raise your SMV, for discipline, etc. If you are 50 and up, it is a matter of life and death. The book "Younger Next Year" describes the metabolic benefits of the recovery cascade from lifting heavy. Joint health, bone density, etc, etc, it's all true and you need to start and keep it up. For me there is not a better way to start your day than the mental boost you get from a good workout.
Let's talk about death
I appreciate the support I've gotten about OYS-ing here as "such an old guy". Of course I don't think of myself as old - who does? Actuarially I'm closer to death than you are - I'm eligible for Medicare in just a couple weeks. But mentally I've been close to death, even eager for death, since 1983. I've tried to commit suicide a few times - car "accident", gun, CO2, but it has no appeal anymore. I give credit to Rollo Tomassi and the first volume of TRM. As painful as it was to see myself flayed alive in print, it was the turning point, an awakening. My mental state is still a matter of "work", and always will be.
Now there is the danger for "old people" for death by covid. The son of a friend from church caught it and died back in March. So I know it is real. I wouldn't want to contribute to someone getting it. But for me at this point I don't care. If I get it, I get it. If I die, that's one less geezer leaching off my kids and grandkids for Social Security. And honestly, won't the world be a better place if there were fewer boomers? My only concern is for the people who have to sort through all my crap I've left behind.
But having hit bottom - fellating a Glock - and been at this climb back for a while, a continuing part of my work is to stay focused on refining what I've learned here and enjoying the climb.
So what about this dichotomy - enjoying life and lifting, yet at one time being eager for death, and comfortable with it now? I'm sure this is why I spent so much time with the Stoics, they had this figured out.
Relationship
She now pushes polarity. Games me during the day.There were a couple flashes of (unspoken) "Is this really you?" and "Are you done being a bitch?" type tests. My go-to is now to push even harder in response.
The evening after going back to the gym, she started demanding cavemanning, which I suppose may be another prove-you're-not-a-bitch-test. Each time you level up you face a tougher boss fight. Then Sunday in the middle of the night she woke me up for another round of CM. Why overthink it? It is the first time that's happened since we were teenagers.
Things I'm working on
Strength, form, and trying to remember "which end of the barbell is up".
Keeping my head down at work.
Goofing off
Fiction reading, computer games.
nikfury69 4y ago
Thank you for this.
64 here too. And a late red piller as well.
It's a bitch.
DirtyNuke 4y ago
Never too late to start OYS. It's made all the difference for me.
the_man_i_want_to_be 4y ago
Your progression is my favorite I've had the chance to watch from the beginning.
Please do a field report in a few months. You're the textbook "how to do MRP the right way" case.
DirtyNuke 4y ago
I hope to eventually be able to get out in the field to report! Get another crack at HoA' s challenge
johneyapocalypse 5y ago
I
can relate tolike your death talk.HornsOfApathy 5y ago
You are climbing the same mountains us younger faggots climb - except you're having to shed many more years of fuckery before the ascent. Don't forget to enjoy the view when you get there while looking for the next one.
Travel light, bro.
DirtyNuke 5y ago
A big ego busting benefit of PON was getting beyond "I'm a special victim". A difference of degree perhaps but not of kind
weakandsensitive 5y ago
The one issue, one constant, is always fear.
"Why is your wife leaving such a big deal? Because I'm afraid of being alone."
But if you accept that it's part of the journey, what's there to fear? For me, it just ends up being a puzzle to optimize.
Your posts over the past few weeks have been really interesting, and more expansive than previous.
DirtyNuke 4y ago
Fear has always been something to deal with. I'd like to think I've gotten better at it. That's something I need to dig into in more detail.
ragnar_114 5y ago
What situation were you in the first and second time? Seems like with same woman since you've been together 46 years.
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Had some similar thoughts last year, though not as extreme, how did you get past it?
johneyapocalypse 4y ago
Pick yourself up and make yourself get past it.
And with age, appreciate that this too shall pass.
dilberryhoundog 4y ago
Explore them, but not too deeply. They are popping up for a reason.
Suicidal thoughts, is not you wanting to kill yourself (that’s retarded), it’s you wanting to kill your fantasies and bullshit you live in.
Once you “see” the separation between yourself and the bullshit persona you’ve created. You can actually do what your thoughts are suggesting and “kill” that persona, and it will be the best thing you will ever do.
The people that end their life, can’t unattach their unbearable models of the world from the physical body that carries them around.
Also try and find a good model to replace the old one with. An age old one is in the Holy Bible, MRP is another one, very congruent with the modern age.
DirtyNuke 4y ago
The first time was when she called while on a trip to tell me on a GNO she "met someone" and was going to see him again. I drove out on the expressway to try and "accidentally" cross the median. We stayed together "for the kids" and she said it was a one time thing. The second time was just recently when I was in my journey (lifting etc) she trickle truthed that it wasn't one time and she had asked him to marry her. So yes, same woman. Still the same woman two years later now acting like a teenager.
I wouldn't say I ever got "past it" until I began my journey here. That is, the combo of bettering myself, dealing with my ego, meditating, reading, OYS-ing, taking the advice given here, etc. See my previous post for more detail on that.
johneyapocalypse 4y ago
God damn is that the first time you wrote that phrase here?
I think I would have noticed it before, though when I first read it above I inadvertently switched around the pronouns.
DirtyNuke 4y ago
Nope. All the way back in my first victim puke. The mindfuck was not finding out until 35 years later, after a lifetime of thinking she chose me and ended it with him, and after a few months of responding to my changes. Thus the second break as per Rollo, and my responses to HoA.
ragnar_114 4y ago
and
Sorry man, yeah I know the feeling.
DirtyNuke 4y ago
Despite my whiny beta ego I'm not any worse off than thousands of other better men. She's not any different from thousands of other women. I'm all about going forward now. TRM, PON, etc have helped me "get over myself". Blessed by this community.
elgath3 5y ago
OYS #12 |11|10|9|8|7|6|5|4|3|2|1
27yo 5'5 \~141lbs (\~20%BF by photo method, 15 by navy method), single, no kids
Lifts (post-covid, LBs): DL 225x8, B 125x9, OHP 95x7, Front Squat 95x10, Leg press 355x10, Pull-ups BW+0x8
Read: NMMNG, MMSLP, TWOTSM, Poon, Pook, Atomic Habits, TRM, Predictably Irrational, 48LOP, Sapiens, Homo Deus, Fooled By Randomness, The Black Swan, The Bed of Procrustes, Antifragile, Skin in the game
Currently reading: RP Sidebar posts and associated rabbit holes
Short-term goals from last time
Physical
Lost access to the gym again. No worries. I have accepted that I'll lose a month of progress and am happy to be doing what I can in the meantime -- ring pull-ups, push-ups, and being active outdoors. It's not ideal, but I would rather be on the road now and sample a bit of the digital nomad lifestyle while I can do it for free.
Foot hurts a lot. Feels a bit like a stress fracture. Probably isn't, but I'm not in a hurry so rest and cross-training are on the menu.
I made the conscious choice to sacrifice the gym for a brief period of time, and I can tell that I miss it, even though I'm weak as fuck. Ah well.
Pushups and pull-ups being done a bit judiciously -- I don't want to fall back into overuse injuries on my elbows. Seems like extreme high reps bother me a lot more than weight does. Goal is to get to the point where sets of 10 bodyweight pull-ups are pretty easy, then do sets of 5 adding weight.
Social and dating
I am couchsurfing at the moment and reconnecting with old friends. Haven't put any focus whatsoever on meeting and fucking women because I would much rather spend my limited time with said friends.
Mission (find my edge and set the foundation for sustainably and happily living at it)
I have managed to convince the executives at work to green-light a major speculative r&d style project for Q3 and potentially Q4 depending on how Q3 goes. This is an exciting opportunity for me to learn a lot in fields that I don't know much about but would like to learn more (data engineering and machine learning).
Nobody at work knows much about what we're doing or how we should expect it to go, which means nobody will be able to evaluate my work. There won't really be any structure or instructions for me to follow. This means that I'll need to self-impose some structure or else risk squandering the opportunity sitting on my ass and coasting. I may discuss this in future OYS posts -- I probably should.
The side project is going well. The friend I'm currently staying with works longer hours than I do, so I have gotten a bit of built-in time each day to work on side project work. As stated earlier, I'm about to do a major deploy and launch the MVP. I took on a lot of technical debt to make it this far, so the next steps will be to untangle the mess I made while getting feedback on the MVP. After that, adding features and whatnot.
General Mindset
Mindset has been... interesting. In 2020 I started lifting in earnest and it became a major part of my routine. When gyms closed for COVID, I felt intense despair. Eventually I made my peace with it, and finally in June I had the opportunity to start lifting weights again. Even though mentally I was at peace with not being able to lift, once I was able to start again it was a huge boon to my mentality. Despite this, I've chosen to give it up for a little while longer. A past version of me would have either never made the sacrifice or languished in self-pity about sub-optimal circumstances. Current me feels pain but understands that it's worth it for the unique opportunity to deepen important relationships in my life.
Confidence is continuing to grow. I no longer hate myself. I've always been optimistic about my future, but it's always been unhealthy -- "future me definitely won't suck the way current me does". Now it's closer to "future me is fucking awesome -- current me will eventually get there, and is a pretty cool dude in his own right".
Goals for next time
threekindsoflucky 5y ago
OYS 62
I guess I’m lucky
In my last OYS I outlined the difficulties I face with anxiety, and my concern for the upcoming three field trips. I’m now two days into my last field trip.
I have handled all of the trips far better than expected. Anxiety, while still there at certain times, has been under control. I did have a moment today – I moved from the main site to an exploration site, and had it pop up once I realised how grim the accommodation was. This sort of thing is exactly what would normally knock me over entirely. I took stock, thought about it, considered my emotions and decided that yeah, I can handle this.
The other two trips have been a breeze compared to how I usually fair. It hasn’t been perfect, as I did get anxious before each trip but it was more muted and manageable than in the past. I felt down when I had my birthday in the field by myself. Feeling down however, is not anxiety.
I wish I could pinpoint why it has been far easier for me. Field trips have been an issue for me since … forever. I haven’t been focusing on a specific coping mechanism or strategy; the anxiety wasn’t intense enough to require it. I have noticed that I am able to understand the worry, the belief and the prediction behind some of the thoughts (cheers /u/foxshitnasty83) but they haven’t come with the overwhelming emotion that usually follows. So I didn’t do anything consciously. It may be one of two things. First idea is that I’ve done so many field trips to new places that I feel more comfortable in uncomfortable situations. My second theory is that I’ve made an internal change somewhere along the line, and I either now have better mental models, or that I’ve become more adaptable and accepting of change. Maybe its neither, maybe its both.
Either way, for me, this is big. It’s a change to something that I’ve had to deal with my entire life. It’s improving. And I’m pretty fucking happy about it. I can fucking handle things. It's a breakthrough that is more important to me than anything else that has happened so far. Fuck yeah. My 'limit of shit I can handle' has increased.
Weekend away
I had a weekend away in between the field trips. My wife organised the whole thing for my birthday, from accommodation, to dinner and lunch bookings, to activities to do each day. It was an awesome weekend. She did a fantastic job. There was a special outfit planned which I derailed by ahem railing her before she could get it ready. So that’s been postponed to another weekend. I mention it as I am aware and appreciative of the value add. In addition to this she has taken up other responsibilities that I would usually organise while I am away e.g. getting quotes and actioning kitchen renovations (after I’ve reviewed and given it the green light). It’s making my life easier and it is appreciated.
Mental
Something has clicked. Not just with the anxiety, but everything. I don’t know what it is exactly, but it feels like I’m playing life on easy mode. Maybe that’s not the right term. I’m still working hard, but life feels somewhat effortless. Like there are no big issues, only inconveniences. And I either care enough to deal with them, or I don’t.
frozenpond 5y ago
OYS #32 6/23/20
First OYS on 3/12/19
Stats: 6’2”, 210lbs (+2), 40 years old, wife 41, married 7 together 9, 2 kids. Lifts: 235 lbs (+5) bench is my 4 rep max. Read: Sidebar books++.
Relationship
Been getting a barrage of tests the last week or so. I think they’re mostly shit tests. Wife has come into bedroom after putting daughter down for bed saying I’m tired or I have a headache to set the tone for no sex on certain nights. Sex frequency has dipped a bit last couple of weeks but quality has remained high. She is wearing outfits and BJ are more enthusiastic. A BJ today is 400% better than a BJ from her last year, I was getting duty BJ’s vs now getting HVM BJs where she is moaning during them, different world. I do not like when she walks into the room and telegraphs “no sex” though. Maybe once and a while, but it’s happened a handful of times.
I still explain too much to her. My wife will make fun of some of my friends for being pussies and walked on by their wives…she’s right and I agree with her. Too often I explain exactly why they are scared of their women…this does amount to talking about fight club and I really need to stop. I am genuine though when I express that I would leave if I were them in a heartbeat and that I would be content being single if I weren’t happy in my marriage. It’s congruent so she believes me, maybe this is what’s saving me from really destroying attraction but I need to sharpen up and STFU up about anything redpill related.
Fitness
I was being really stupid with my diet. I’m taking ibutamoren to gain muscle but I was not eating enough and I was eating way too few carbs. I love having abs and I try to maintain them too much. I was eating a shit ton of protein but it was not the right diet. I have forced myself to accept gaining a little fat while I bulk. This has been difficult to mentally accept but it’s just for 2-4 weeks. I’m lifting more than ever and I’m still doing cardio 3x a week (as opposed to 7-10 when training for triathlons). Eating like I was eating was just spinning my wheels and not fully capturing the results from the work I am putting in the gym.
TheActionNerd 5y ago
OYS 28
30y, height: 186cm, waist: 86cm, neck: 38cm, 85.8kg, navy: 16%. wife 26 married 1 year, together 5 years. 0 kids.
Readings:
MMSLP, NMMNGx3, TWOTSMx4, Pookx4, Rational Male, Preventive Medicine, How to Win Friends and Influence People, Models, The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck, Art of Seduction, WISNIFG, Day Bang, Mastery, Mindful Attraction Plan, The Charisma Mythx2, Extreme Ownership, The Power of Habit
Currently reading: 6 Pillars of Self-Esteem
Physical
Continuing with a minor cut until gyms reopen which is at least 2 weeks away. Continuing to IF for 16 hours 2 days a week and will be increasing this to 4 days a week. Will increase my protein intake to compensate. Still consistent with doing my body weight exercises, and it does wind me but the lack of any progression from being able to increase the weight on the bar is feedback that I’m lacking. I am increasing reps but I’ve been lazy to change to harder variations. I’ve likely just maintained my upper body strength the last 3 months while losing leg strength.
This is my week off work and last week really screwed up my schedule as I overworked. Going to re-establish my stature exercises, and including mewing as well to help my facial structure. Going to sleep earlier after sleeping at 2-3am constantly. Latest 1am this week, aiming midnight. Going to sign up to a GP and make inroads to getting my blood tested. I’ll also try to get cialis from this as well. I have performance anxiety especially when I’m only having sex once a week which makes it really hard to cave man. Also going to buy a bathmate which is a penis pump and give that a try. I don’t think I particularly self-deprecate on my penis size, I’m just willing to try anything to get an advantage. I’m already thinking about my wife’s frame when it comes to this and if she realises what it is for, I’ll likely get shit-tested that my penis is already large enough and she's already satisfied, but I'm not satisfied.
Finance/Career
8 days until my ESPP stocks become long term so waiting for that to sell out of my company’s stocks. Researching into personal finance and FIRE, planing to invest into Vanguard ETFs. Also set up a few minor tasks to review my expenditure on bills and review articles from Money Saving Expert. In my week off, aside from doing the above, I’ll start and mostly complete my taxes. Even though I am off all week, I’m still distracted by work and some anxiety for not being on and monitoring. I left some tasks open that I was meant to complete before my leave and I am likely to go online to do them at some point during my holiday.
Mental
Struggled with getting through the 6 pillar exercises every day while also juggling work. I’ll only be able to do it in the morning if I don’t log into my work emails. The sentence completions take a solid hour undistracted. As I am off this week, I’ll be doing week 1 again all of this week to try to establish the habit for when I return to work next week. Doing these exercises also sidetracked me from having time to read daily last week.
Also watched a Joe Rogan podcast with Dr. Phil and he made a poignant point where because of where my self-esteem sits, I am of the view that I am already at the limit of what I am worthy of achieving. This is why I self-sabotage. I need to fix my self-esteem issues so that I can consider myself worthy of more in this lifetime. Working on this with the sentence completion exercises, meditation and visualisation.
I was definitely distracted with getting some sexual validation last week while my wife was on her period and after I had bought her a new phone. Although I was aware of the covert contract, it didn’t stop me from wanting the validation. I’m still getting into my wife’s head, allowing her complaints about her own feelings, frustration and tiredness cause me to justify that initiating will just lead to a rejection, and that it would be inconsiderate of her feelings to initiate. I need to man up and just initiate regardless, as I’m just frustrating myself by not taking ownership of what I can do.
Trondheim77 5y ago
OYS #8 (last oys here
Been a couple of months. The virus stripped away all my gigs so I have been pretty much a stay at home dad for a while. I kept the diet and home workouts up at least. Haven't been reading a lot or posting OYS at all though. Time to get my fat ass back to the locker room.
FITNESS 6'1, 184lbs, BF 20% (skinny fuck with love handles).
(Lifts pre-lockdown) Squat 5x5 115lbs Deadlift 3x5 180lbs Bench 5x5 95lbs Press 5x5 80lbs Row 5x5 105lbs
Have been working out regularly (like 4 times a week for the last two months) at home with dumbbells and body weight exercises. I'm still getting sore so I guess I'm doing something right. Diet still pretty much on point. Counting calories and protein. Have lost 4lbs but still dad bodied of course. Gym reopened last week, I'm going back there tonight, will probably lower the weights a bit to ease back into it.
I have lost about 6lbs since I last measured BF%, gonna try the navy method again sometime this week to see if something has happened there.
MENTAL Read: NMMNG, WISNIFG, MMSLP, MAP, TRM, Pook, BPP, WotSM, SGM, Unchained man, Subtle art of not giving a fuck, Models, Mystery method, Atomic habits
Have been a poor reader the last couple of months. No excuse really. Have been re-reading Unchained Man the last week. The chapters on mission and goals are great and my mission is slowly starting to form. I realise I'll have a hard time reaching an "Alpha 2.0" lifestyle, but I'm steering in that direction as much as I can. Looked for an audiobook version of Models, but couldn't find it in the Kindle store. Started reading "Ego is the enemy" instead but having a hard time applying most of it on a recovering nice guy faggot life. Seems more aimed at the alpha asshole market.
Meditation going slowly. I decided to ditch the Waking up app and just do un-guided meditations every day, the guiding voice just breaks my concentration. Didn't turn out to be every day of course. But now I'm fucking going back to it. It's just 10 minutes a day. Gotta find a time slot for it eventually. Directly after workout but before eating is usually when it is most rewarding.
RELATIONSHIP The fetch quests have diminished a lot. On the other hand, she has been starting to shit test me in the car, nagging at me to slow down, let her pick the music etc. I'm taking the opportunity to practice shutting the fuck up. It's going all right.
She has actually begun going to the gym for the first time in her life. The weeks before she did, she was throwing shit at me for being vain and faggy for caring about my looks. Could be that she is starting to feel her SMV slipping behind. She has also turned up the flirt-and-sex dial a notch.
Since I have been home with the kids a lot the last couple of months, I have taken command of the house. I'm owning a lot of shit and have started experiment more in the kitchen. The kids love my clean food. Wife not so much, she can sit over there guzzling her french fries with sauce bernaise for all I care. More protein and vitamins for me and the kids.
Have been getting at least some kind of sex once-twice a week for the last month. She still procrastinates it a couple of days every time, but at least it's happening in the end. I'm used to infinite empty promises of "tomorrow" so this is a nice change. I have been trying to be more dominant, tried more dirty talk, and actually finish inside her (since I fap way less often, I'm not taking forever to finish anymore). Still some whining from time to time that "she has a lower sex drive than me" yadda yadda. Well, now shark week is upon us. Got a handjob all over her tits yesterday despite that. I consider that progress.
SOCIAL A friend had a birthday picnic a couple of weeks ago. I managed to get a bunch of the old gang there to surprise him. Many of the lazy fuckers didn't really want to come so I offered to drive them which turned out to be a lot of extra work for me. Kinda proud that I made it happen, I was never the one that made things happen. And in the end it was a quite nice little happening.
CAREER So I have basically lived off my buffer for the whole of mars-april, but I managed to re-configure my business a bit to land quite a few gigs in may and june. Keeping my head above water this far. Summer looks alright as well. Also managed to knock off an old unfinished university course in april while I had fuck else to do.
TODO Get back to the gym! Navy-measure BF% Finish or give up on "Ego is the enemy". Next I'll probably re-read WISNIFG for the third time.
rotkohlblaukraut 5y ago
"Alpha 2.0".. Unchained Man doesn't mean you must become Hugh Hefner. I view it more of a wake up call for closed minded betas like yourself that there's something beyond the little box they keep themselves in, and a hope that a few of them manage to escape the box.
You sounds like a precocious, lazy, judgemental fuck. Calling all your friends lazy fuckers, the passive aggressive comments about your wife's french fry sauce, Holiday's Ego book being for alpha fuckers... you must be a real joy to hang out with, And the excuses, all the things you didn't do in this post. "TODO: Navy bodyweight..." you realize all you need is a shoelace, a ruler, and an internet connection, right? You can knock that one off in about two minutes.
Trondheim77 5y ago
Yes, I'm not aiming for Hugh Hefner. Stumbling in that direction will eventually bring me out of "the box" though, and the book acts as a well needed kick in the ass to start stumbling.
I might have gone a bit over the top with the bantering. I promise you I'm a total delight in real life.
BootySlayer911 4y ago
OYS 3
46, stbx 42, kids 8 and almost 7, 6'1 171 lbs, bf% tbd, 5x5 into week 6, boxing class, working on doubling max pullups, abs, gym
Reading: Finishing Art of Seduction, starting Getting Things Done and The Feeling Good Handbook which is only 700 pages long, divorce prep in sidebar, RM and DayBang on audible: Read MMSLP WISNIFG NMMNG MAP The Natural
The Bad:
Got discovery docs so have to gather all kinds of crap, plus its asking do I have questions about her parental ability; my uncle (retired div atty) said if I want reasonable custody arrangement to throw in the kitchen sink; researching now, she's obviously got the upper hand already I haven't seen my children in 8 months
Ready to try pickup IRL vs online dating; these fucking Tinder skeezers put a pic up then you go meet a face that would knock a buzzard off a gut wagon
Online business hiccup = shipping times are double what they were when I first started, and alternate suppliers with faster shipping are obviously more expensive, taking alot of time to figure out
Haven't been laid in a few weeks but prospects lined up
The Good:
Got a job offer, the pay sucks but its an easy wfh job, I'm thankful, future career path so so. Also had another interview that is up my alley and it was very positive interview with potential future boss, I even practiced a little flirting and she responded with hair twirls etc, but she's very intelligent articulate and is told me straight I'm the top candidate; this new job would be tough for a couple years but strong referrals could mean 6 figures in 2-3 years up from there. There's would even be a healthy marketing budget and department supporting me. She called me back same day and said they're starting background check.
Body is getting more muscular although I'm still too skinny. Added almost 2 lbs by eating peanuts drinking milk just bought BLS too busy to read now. I almost have a 4 pack. At the risk of sounding like a faggot..my body has never looked this good and I'm not even close to whats ahead, although future work pressures will likely mean early morning workouts
I have girls openly flirting/staring at me at the gym, I'm still too new at this to have the balls/frame to convert, but these are minimum 7 up to 9 HBs; last Sunday a high HB9 totally flirted with me at the store and was a golden opp but I failed; that will be part of my future mission
I feel great now that I'm not drinking, I literally think my mind is healing in alot of ways. You can't be a man if you have an addiction - ANY addiction (except women maybe?)
I feel great overall, I'm not angry anymore about anything, I wish I wasn't so busy I really want to immerse myself in learning MRP and a ton of other topics hopefully Getting Things Done book will help already took a productivity course
Haven't looked at porn in days
Linking up with old friends in TX is fun, trying to schedule social activities but time is precious and going to be challenge when I start working again
Goals: Take action and at least say hi to attractive women who send IOIs (we should all be doing this btw regardless of your status), get phone numbers; set aside daily time to read, network, research diet, plan getaway in mountains or beach after divorce, figure out specific mission, protect and maximize every hour of every day
HD-2021 4y ago
OYS #1.
Age: 36, Ht: 6.0, Weight: 80kgs, Lifts: BP: 90kgs x 5x3, Squat: 50kg (weak as fuck), Pullups: 10x3 – need to measure more i.e. body weight, DL etc.
Divorced, living with new LTR (9 months).
Read: WISNIFG, 16 Commandments, NNMNG, Sidebar
History:
Bad mental models, alcoholism, laziness, addicted to everything (comfort, and short-term pleasure i.e. drugs, porn, smoking, computer games etc). Led to my divorce from a pretty good woman. Sober 13 months, new LTR, moved in together too quick. New relationship causes me stress at times.
Health:
- Quit smoking cigarettes for good - Daily meditation and nightly reflection process as per Alcoholics Anonymous - Quit watching pornography - Continue gym 3x week, but increase lifts, measure more
Career:
- Work solid 8 hour days x 5 days per week. I have an easy job that allows me to do the bare minimum, but I will stagnate here if I don’t put in the effort - Treat work time as work time, remove distractions, don’t work on the weekend to make up for laziness during the week
Relationship:
- STFU: I still fight back, engage in useless arguments - She cries a lot, I get angry and make her cry a lot - I fail shit tests and mistake comfort tests for shit tests, destroying her loving feelings
2 things happened this week: (A) She had interaction with a guy she told me not to worry about. I do worry – because I am weak and scared of her betraying me. I understand that I should be prepared and fine with that happening, but I am not. If it happens, I will feel unlovable – suggesting that too much of my self-worth is tied up in this relationship. (B) I had caught her in a lie about a very small thing – she was protecting herself from embarrassment about a medical condition, nothing serious. I didn’t push her on it at the time, but brought it up again this week to see if she would own up. She broke down crying, told the truth. I thanked her and moved on with it. But I have not moved on. I realize she can and has lied to my face to protect herself. What else has she / will she lie about? I am writing this here, so I don’t rug-sweep this shit in denial down the track.
Finances:
- Get Australian version of pre-nup sorted out from the lawyers
bogeyd6 4y ago
Save yourself the worry. Everything.
HD-2021 4y ago
In your experience, should I expect this from all women (awalt) or just ones who are proven liars?
weakandsensitive 4y ago
Stop and consider that you're the type of guy women need to lie to because you're too fragile of a fuck to be told the truth.
On that note - rule 9
SorcererKing 4y ago
What happened to you as a kid that makes you think you're not worth anything? What addiction did you put in the hole where there used to be drugs, alcohol, cigs, porn, etc.?
HD-2021 4y ago
Thankyou.
A: childhood was divorced parents, dad died a chronic alcoholic. Mum was cold / violent. I need to forgive them and get over it.
B: Hole filled with a well known 12 step program i.e. prayer, meditation + gym and sex.
I thought my life / mind would be fixed once I got clean. Rather, I now see the size of the mountain in front of me.
SorcererKing 4y ago
I'm not one for the "ACES" model of the world, but if I were, I'd point out that you have at least 3 of them.
Your goal has to be a philosophical and psychological reset so that the hole doesn't need filling. Do you relish the thought of going to meetings constantly the rest of your life? Didn't think so. Trying to make a relationship your focus will end in disaster (again) -- see sidebar.
Over the long haul you're going to need to work on reprogramming your mind completely. Your firmware has been corrupted and needs to be reflashed. This will be really really hard, make no mistake. You will need help. In the short run, seek stability in your gym and addiction treatment, continue to seek the straight and narrow.
johneyapocalypse 4y ago
Amen.
TranscendedCrow 5y ago
OYS #1
Age: 28 Height: 6’0 Weight: 235 lb Fat: 29% Never Married & No kids
Introduction: I have lurked TRP and its associated subs since mid-2018, completing all introductory, pre-requisite, and side bar reading. TRP has dramatically impacted my life by helping me move past oneitus, porn, video games, not lifting, and other blue pilled nonsense. I delved into stoicism and philosophy which possibly saved my life and sanity.
However I have a long way to go. I have wanted to start journaling and I like the idea of writing once a week in a journal that writes back and calls me a faggot when I deserve it. I have never been married and am not currently in an LTR, however standard TRP doesn’t do OYS. If I don’t belong in this sub let me know where to go.
Mission: A work in progress. My Mantra is “Renounce Weakness” when I start slipping.
Weekly Goals I have implemented and will be recording from now on in my OYS.
PT Stretches */*
Working Out */*
Reading */*
No Junk Food */*
NoFap */*
Currently Reading: Spy the Lie
PHYSICAL & NUTRITION
SQ: 235 BP: 120 ROW: 150 OHP: 110 DL: 235
I started stronglift 5x5 in January of 2020. I was forced to stop from March to mid-May because of COVID. Fat for most of my adult life, I have finally taken responsibility in learning to cook healthy dishes and take care of my body. At my worse I was spending $500 plus a month on restaurant and fast food while coming close to being morbidly obese. I have started packing on muscle and getting compliments which create a positive feedback loop. I suffer from anterior pelvic tilt due to years of being so sedentary and fat. I am doing corrective stretches and exercises daily and would love to hear from others who have conquered this. APT is starting to affect my squatting and running. I was doing Yoga for a few months and it helped me greatly. However it’s still shut down at this time, so I plan on doing what I can myself.
WORK & FINANCES
Three years in as a soulless federal bureaucrat. I have plenty of debt from past poor decisions and have taken steps to create a budget and make a plan for debt repayment. I was just promoted however and am not really hurting on income. I would love to get into the private sector and make real money someday though. I just finished some advanced training that makes me much more valuable and mobile. I live and work in an area I know I don’t want to spend the rest of my life in. As a 28 year old I expected to have all of this figured out by now. I need to decide what I want to labor for and where. I want to revive my creative spark and not do mind numbing government administration forever.
MENTAL & SPIRITUAL
Sufferer of anxiety, loneliness, and years of bad habits. I devour my fingernails when nervous and am not sure with where I am going in life. Lifting, Reading, and Stoicism has already helped a great deal with the anxiety but it’s still unacceptably high. I have tried what feels like everything for my nail biting and I don’t know what to do. I read both the power of habit and atomic habits and have been trying my best to implement their teachings. I will record and monitor my habits while trying to remove undesirable ones. I am also trying to overcome smart phone addiction. I have uninstalled Facebook and YouTube and started seeking my dopamine elsewhere.
SEXUAL & SOCIAL
LTR broke up with me mid 2017 on skype when I was at basic training. The following rage, grief, and loneliness is what helped me discover TRP. I haven’t been in a healthy or enjoyable relationship since though, merely spinning low quality plates whenever I can. I just dropped my last plate after giving me a (thankfully treatable) STD. Dating is pretty hard right now with COVID lockdown and being fat but I am still gaming chicks whenever I can. My primary concern is to improve myself and unlock access to higher tier women.
My non romantic social life fall into two camps: coworkers and friends from my blue pilled days. My coworkers are pretty great but are mostly married, older, and live far away (rural area). My blue pilled friends mostly serve as a stark reminder of what would happen if I refused to change. I occasionally talk to them on the phone and go out to eat with them but I have stopped playing video games, watching anime, and all the other dumb shit I wasted my youth doing. My improvements and new life style has caused some to stop talking to me while others act like crabs in a bucket and try to shame me back into my old ways. I talked about fight club once and learned a few hard lessons. I have accepted that most of these people have chosen a life of external validation and have no desire to be saved. Maybe one person is worth keeping around.
Reflecting on it, the caliber of people I have chosen to hang out with had a lot to do with my descent into mediocrity. I will try to build or find a friend network of real men this summer. Even better get a new job somewhere else and start anew.
I got this!
johneyapocalypse 5y ago
'+
=/=
Does not compute.
TranscendedCrow 5y ago
The visible muscle is mostly in my legs and arms. I still have alot of belly fat to get rid of. I weigh myself and take metrics at the first of the month, so those stats are as of June 1st.
RedBackedBadger 4y ago
What is your current focus physically? I think most people get the best results by initially cutting if they are fat and then building muscle. From the tone of your post it sounds like you are just doing some physical activity (which is great - keep at it) and hoping for the best. Set a goal, you're fat so probably to be sub x% bf, then see adjusting your diet as the primary way of address this this with exercise as a second. Keep lifting heavy to keep muscle on.
I'm guessing you have self diagnosed this, go and see a good physio then do what they say.
I fixed it for you.
TranscendedCrow 4y ago
My primary physical goals is to cut fat and fix the mentioned posture issues. Yes they have been diagnosed. It's just a matter of making the time and having the discipline to do them. The sessions take about a half hour.
I read that doing strong lifts and cleaning up my diet should be all it takes to reduce my body fat percentage. I hope that's the case because running is painful and boring while lifting is therapeutic and fun.
Thanks for the fix. I used to be a highschool football player and had my pickings of women. It is extra demoralising to only be able to attract 3 to 5's now.
RedBackedBadger 4y ago
Sounds like you have a solid plan, now it’s just time. I personally like to add hill sprints/Metcon to help with the fat loss but the diet and lifting will get you 90%.
I’m still getting validation from women so it’s no judgement but if you come from a place of self improvement for you rather than others you’ll get further. Don’t confuse that with not wanting to bang hotties - we all want that.
mcnack 5y ago
OYS#3
STATS: 35, 5’8’’, 163lbs 15%BF (a guess); Wife 34, married 8, together 16. Daughter 4.
LIFTS: (5x5) DL 257, SQ 192, BP 159, ROW 129, OHP 114
READING: TRP Sidebar, SGM
My greatest two assets are my time an attention; I need to be more intentional.
I realized a few things this week, some through the feedback received in OYS#2:
I have accomplished a lot this year, and I attribute my habits, routines, systems and ‘rules’ as the key to this success (‘rules’ to live life perfectly…what a Nice Guy). That, and a commitment to do more than I say, then say nothing to anyone about it. I am a strong critic of myself but reflecting on the things I have objectively done well makes me feel great. I should do this more than I do.
I am getting closer to my own point of origin. As good as it made me feel, proving anything here meant little else to me. I know what I am about, I know what shit I own and what I still need to own. I don’t need to show you my spreadsheet. This frame of mind resonated all week and flowed through IRL interactions. I’ll puff my chest here because it’s fun and gives me an outlet to help keep my power in the real world by STFU. I need to continue to focus on avoiding DEERing and not discussing my plans.
I was happier turning down the information channels. Opening up space in the airways meant more time for personal reflection and appreciating the moment. It confirmed my thought that, for now, I know the rules and I am beginning to internalize the sidebar. I need to learn to better identify whose opinions serve me and add value. Some comments/profiles aren’t worth reading, I don’t need to inhale every podcast or blog, and I should search out specific information intentionally. Reading about how “a women won’t ever love me how I feel I should be loved” at 600 am can set me up for a grumpy day. I need to keep learning but stay less saturated with the right kind of content.
I need to lock down the low-hanging fruit in my MAP so I can use my mental capital to focus on more important things. Analysis stifles action. I know what I need to do and much is becoming automatic, but I also need to be careful not to get complacent. Simple rules, check points, no more research or debate required for a few categories. Get these planned for the next quarter and move on.
How is that for word puke so far? 500 words and I hope none of them meant anything to you.
FORMAT
Routines are key, and I hate routines. Planning is the biggest bang for buck activity at the start of the day, so I will par down my journal/planning task to “identify my three most important tasks”. My MORNING ROUTINE is dialed but will get an update for Q3, with some new challenges specific to focus discipline (cold runs/showers, no screens). “JOURNALING” will be a separate task I need to fit in elsewhere in my schedule.
All of our routines are going to continue to get even more fucked this year so it is worth my time to think about this: how do I get my most important shit on lock and solid enough to not be shaken by a new addition?
Here are a couple categories I am focusing on getting buttoned-up and decisions out of my head, for now:
FITNESS
There are a number of lessons learned, but here is what they boil down to until October:
Exercise intentionally everyday (i.e., dedicated work, not just active living) LIFT or YOGA. Strict SL 3xWeek. Use fractional plates for progression (1 lb increases), focus on form, rest time back down to 90 seconds. Keep it simple and moving forward. Routine needs to be short and intense. Keep LIFTing at home; gym (when open) will be for swimming, classes and dread but won’t rely in it to lift. Weigh in daily but no tracking diet for now. Follow a few rules: 1-IF 16 hr 2-Eat paleo + rice (unless it is a gift) 2-No ‘drugs’ unless they are social or I am song writing. Follow these and don’t think about your diet for a while. Book massage/chiro proactively, and develop a plan/routine specific to posture correction.
FINANCE
After gains from a good starting point, this took up too much headspace lately. Plan for next quarter: Continue weekly tracking, monthly net worth and quarterly reporting. Continue with ‘fake pay cheque’ tactic (artificial budget), but increase surplus to make up for deficit last Q and get on balance for year. We did well on our joint expenses, but I want a short-term goal for the family to share in this category – share the report and reduce by >10%. Continue to enforce boundaries around expenses and responsibility. Update and complete the plan for the mission this quarter, including the new kid. Complete emergency plans. Metrics should be budget surplus, debt reduction and joint expense weekly average.
FUNCTIONAL
I got less organized lately, between to-do lists, projects stacking up and summer deadlines. A big change in routine (no longer working from home), will impact my daily chore habits and ability to GSD at home. I have made huge gains “running the house like she left”, and I can’t compromise on this when I am back into the office. It would be easy to get complacent here, so I need to be more systematic. I need to complete my personal inventory, and use my calendar/tasks to plan out chores I easily take care of at home. Delegating to “the kids” here has been received positively and I should continue to move in this direction as opposed to just taking on the burden myself. I have proven my point or now. I am objectively killing it here, but it is taking too much headspace and makes me feel like I am scrambling. Get better organized, loser.
Dialing-in those three categories so they are ‘automatic’ is going to allow me to better invest in the areas where I need to improve the most:
FRAME
My perfectionism holds me back and feeds the procrastination animal I have be working to kill. The playhouse is a good example, music is another, and my career feels it most. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. I need to revisit NMMNG and work through the BF activities to really break this down…I am sure it all has to do with validation and recognition of “doing such a good job”. Increasing confidence helps, but the ego hinders. I am not perfect and need to embrace that.
I caught myself smiling when I did something knowing it wouldn’t be appreciated/acknowledged. I even went out of my way to make sure a few other things wouldn’t be noticed, to test my gains here. I am not acknowledging her ‘thank yous’ when they do come to avoid any contract related to gratitude, or confirming her tests that I am doing any of this for her.
FUCKING
I initiated Wednesday, hard, and got about 20 mins of ‘soft nos’ while I was literally rubbing her pussy, followed by some type of shit test. After I got sick of playing the game I got up to leave to do exactly what I said I was going to do, and she said “oh so you have time for sex but not time for cuddle”, and I simply said “yes”. I’ve been handling rejections better for months, she’s never called me out like that but I was prepared. She plays games with sex for power. Something was different with my head in the week following, I genuinely didn’t want to initiate, so didn’t. I also turned the gaming way down without thinking much about it, and kindof DNGAF about flirting with her. She kissed my ass all week and was obvious about it, and the more I noticed it the more indifferent I got. This is probably a big butthurt about “her not being attracted to me” and wanting my baby batter. I won’t play games. I will initiate when I want need to take what I want in bed more. I also won’t masterbate (‘healthy style’ or otherwise) until the end of the day as a rule for the next quarter. If she is too nauseous, she can watch if she wants.
1482 words and too much time.
HornsOfApathy 4y ago
"Cuddles aren't free, sweetheart."
You probably can't pull it off (yet) because you were butthurt like a faggot.
mcnack 4y ago
Happy to see you tune in. I'll put that in my spreadsheet of canned MRP Approved Responses but think something like "I've got time to cuddle your face with my dick" is probably more my style. I appreciate the reminder to check in on the butthurt responses, but my butt only hurts from sciatica and squats. I worked hard to get those needy reactions squashed. She did catch me flat-footed in this example and my lack of typical snappy response would have been noticed, but that's not due to a sexual rejection. If you'll humor me and assume that's true, I'll air some laundry and you likely have some valuable insight for me.
I still use her sexual response for feedback, find it validating, and I still get sad alone on my walks thinking about how something she did means "I guess she's not attracted to me", but I can bottle that shit deep down before I get home. I have talked more about our genitals in the last 6 months than I have the last 6 years, overtly ask her to fuck in some funny way multiple times a day, and hang my naked dick in front of her every.single.night. I bat lower than 0.30. I forgot how much fun it was to flirt with my wife and look forward to her finding funny ways to shut me down. I've made gains on the denial OI, especially externally, and have seen good response. It is a game.
Since I am already oversharing, this morning is a good example. After OYS yesterday I realized how shitty not really responding to her flirting for almost a week was. I added up a long list of things she did clearly to earn my favor (sexual and otherwise). Not providing any feedback is bad leadership. I may not have been butthurt in the moment but I took my attention away for way too long (Bad Application of Dread Level 4?). The kid was away yesterday, so I fucked her within 20 mins of walking in the door when she got home (and left for practice within 20 minutes after). This morning, I went to find her after my work out while she was getting ready and hard initiated twice. She turned me down because 'she didn't have time', then proceeded to wear her slutty housecoat, flash me her ass and dance around in her underwear for half an hour. We continued to flirt and have fun while she rubbed my face in it, which is typical. I happened to have nothing better to do than drink coffee and watch her ass, and she fucking loves teasing me because she knows she has the power here.
I am certain the "no time to cuddle" comment was a compliance test, and I am sure it is related to the power she knows she has around sex. I picked up on this sexy-time test a few months ago and have seen some improvement, but I am not sure where to take it next.
I think a lot of it comes back to me "communicating openly" about my need to "have sex with someone I know desires me" when we were "working through" our problems at the end of last year. This set me back in a huge way. For those at the back: STFU. She knows sex is important to me and holds tightly to it's control.
Fast forward 3 months of MAPPING and I am getting a better sexual response. I began noticing a few things as I learned more. The tone between the two of us was positive and playful throughout all this:
There is a message here and I am too retarded to see it yet. My leading thought is that I am being a pussy in bed and this is all pointing to me needing force through her games, shut down her 'soft nos' and take what I want. She's been responding well to manhandling; I put my hand around her neck yesterday and she reacted strongly. I do have a fear of rejection here; not about getting denied sex, but about being embarrassed and/or not getting specific sex acts I want (fucking shame...). She's got a killer wit and I am nervous my frame would crack, which would just set me back further (although, I did handle a barrage of ED jokes well lately). Ya there's some history there...
This 'cat and mouse', hard-to-get, good girl game is fun to play but totally in her frame and I want to blast through it. I've been slowly seeing better response but feel I am missing opportunities. Moving in the right direction but more time required? Need to be more bold?
Or, do I clearly care way to fucking much and should be doing better shit than asking you about it?
threekindsoflucky 4y ago
Rule 9
weakandsensitive 4y ago
CTRL-F "She". This post is a joke.
Have your wife write her perspective next time.
HornsOfApathy 4y ago
Jesus fucking christ, where do I begin?
That was a lot of fucking text to read through. I skimmed most after I realized how much you're full of fucking shit.
You bullshit yourself and hold this great ego that you'll likely not take any of my words to heart with. I can feel it. How do I know? Meh, been at this a bit. I know your type. But alas - I've got some extra time today to waste.
Let's come back to this, you autist.
Oh boy.
You mean you're LARPing alpha shit tests response that aren't congruent to how you actually are on the inside? You know what I'm talking about. Putting up a front to 'fake it til you make it'. Those responses?
And you'd only get laid 1/3 times as you've said. This just sounds retardedly autistic. Maybe you're retarded too. Definitely autistic.
I honestly stepped back and took a breath and said "Ok, I'll give him a shot here." Then I got about ONE FUCKING SENTENCE beyond that and knew you were just lying to me and yourself.
So, no, I don't fucking believe for a MINUTE that this was NOT due to sexual rejection. Why?
THE NEXT GODAMNED FUCKING SENTENCE YOU COMPLETELY FUCK YOUR REQUEST FOR ME TO BELIEVE YOU AREN'T BUTTHURT.
Fucking hell man, you fucking faggot. Fucking lying faggot, telling faggot lies to his faggot self to protect his little mediocre faggot ego so he can say "OH BUT I"VE GOT TIME FOR YOU TO CUDDLE MY DICK WITH YOUR FACE". I mean come on dude, what the actual fuck?
You get butthurt. All the time. And then try to play it off with shitty quips and walking away to pretend that something is more important than her little magical golden pussy that you're put up on the pedestal.
You know she's on the pedestal. That's OK. She's gonna be there for a while, right?
You have zero game. You're a fucking retard and don't know how to game women. Dangling your faggot-cock in front of her as she stares at it and thinks OH WOW THAT's FUNNY. Is that how you expect to get laid? Fucking GAY.
Learn to game your woman with something other than what you think is funny. But guess what? I know why you do it.
If it's funny this is a layer of ego protection that if you are rejected then you can just shrug it off as "oh well, funny stuff, haha" instead of internalizing "shit, she doesn't want to fuck me". You wouldn't dare initiate with true, full authority in these cases if you REALLY wanted to fuck her because YOU ARE AFRAID OF REJECTION AND SHE FEELZ THROUGH THAT.
Of course you're striking out 2/3 times. You're afraid of getting your man-feelz hurt because she's on the pedestal and you look to her for validation. It's called attraction validation. Plus, I know you're keeping track of it, aren't you? Do you have a sexual success and rejection spreadsheet?
Now for this:
That bolded part is bullshit. And you know why? You ARE afraid, but have hamstered that you're afraid of something else because you use HUMOR to guard the fact that you're actually afraid of not getting that sweet sweet drip of validation pussy.
Now, back the beginning, and I'll quote some things from your OYS as well:
You're autistic. And going through MRP like a fucking robot. Had you posted 6 months ago here instead of thinking you could do it on your own we could have pointed that out to you. But hey - here it is now - out in the open. You're trying to robot-MRP your wife into fucking you and she is feeling through that.
What other spreadsheets do you keep?
And yes, I KNOW you said a lot of that shit in jest - just how you like to dangle your tiny dick in front of your woman - but guess what? I know what you're doing. And you do too.
You don't have to admit it to me. Just admit it to yourself.
Well, you said it before:
Stop lying to yourself and us.
I'm not even going to take the time to respond to the other shit that I know is going on with you until you can admit that.
johneyapocalypse 4y ago
OP, what's with all the lying? Case o' the gays?
mcnack 4y ago
You already know I want to hammer back another wall of text and tell you all about my spreadsheets. I may have been kidding about the MRP Approved Responses, but ya, I do track rejections and a lot of other stuff.
This:
"If it's funny this is a layer of ego protection that if you are rejected then you can just shrug it off as "oh well, funny stuff, haha" instead of internalizing "shit, she doesn't want to fuck me". You wouldn't dare initiate with true, full authority in these cases if you REALLY wanted to fuck her because YOU ARE AFRAID OF REJECTION AND SHE FEELZ THROUGH THAT".
I make light of shit all the time and that may be a more defensive move than the 'positive disposition' I chalk it up too. Even if I think I respond well, she can feel my fear of rejection and knows its LARPing. Ok.
So, keep working to internalize OI and get her off the pedestal. Initiate with full authority avoiding using humour, and earn my rejection inoculation without covering my ego with jokes. Don't make light of rejections, but get over them quickly and move on to something else. Get better game. If this is how she is responding, I am fooling myself if I think I've come far.
Internalizing "oh shit she really doesn't want to fuck me" is what got me here, and I may have lost sight of it due to some gains.
I am not here to waste our time; you spend that much effort on a response and I will take your words to heart. I'll probably read it 10 more times tonight. I wasted 6 months not getting this feedback. If you want tune me into all "the other shit you know is going on", I will take it dead seriously.
My ego is way bigger than my dick, but I know who to listen too.
"- just how you like to dangle your tiny dick in front of your woman -"
It's slightly above average; I have a chart for that too.
Thanks.
HornsOfApathy 4y ago
Well you're banned for 2 weeks.
Try saying "you're welcome" when another human being says thank you. Like when your wife says it. Don't be an autistic retard. That's enough for now.
elrojozul 5y ago
OYS 30
Stats: Age 41, separated from wife (38). 3 kids (5, 8, 10). Height: 5'9". Weight: 71kg (156lbs). Most recent (pre-lockdown) 5/3/1 lifts - Bench 72.5kg (160lbs), OHP 47.5kg (105lbs), DL: 150kg (330lbs), squat 102.5kg (220lbs). Now working a mix of Pavel Tsatsouline’s Simple and Sinister and bodyweight exercises. Have read most of the sidebar at least once. English man living in Spain.
Physical
“This week I will get back to a sustainable and sensible way of eating.” - Nope.
Since finishing my 3 day fast I’ve eaten like a hungry 12 year old boy. No discipline. Lots of sugar and bullshit. Pre-fasting, I was using MyFitnessPal to track calories and put on weight. I’d set the weight gain for 0.5kg a week, but this gave me a lot of calories to get through each day and increased my body fat more than I’d have liked. Now I’ve adjusted that goal to gaining 0.25kg a week, which gives me a more manageable daily calorie target of 2,840 per day.
Goal for this week: hit my calorie target every day, but through protein and vegetables, not bullshit.
Exercise-wise I’ve done OK, working out most evenings with either kettlebell or bodyweight. Keep this up this week with a view to going back to the gym in July.
Friends/social
Lots of contact with friends over Zoom etc, but no face-to-face socialising. However, I met last week’s goal of keeping track of upcoming events on meetup and found an English-Spanish conversation group which gathers on one of the evenings I don’t have my kids. I need to build a network of people here, and I have to improve my Spanish. I can understand most Spanish, but speaking it is a major weakness and it’s holding me back from living a full life here. This needs to be a top priority.
I can get socially anxious, and I realise that at 41 years old this isn’t something I’m going to grow out of. I need to put the work in. I found a Toastmasters group which meets weekly, alternating between Spanish and English. This would be a big challenge for me, but you don’t get better by doing the same things. Currently they’re doing them over Zoom, but I will try this group when they go back to in-person meetings.
Goal for this week: go to the Spanish-English meetup group.
Mission Quest
Working my way through “The Artist’s Way”. The foundation practises are morning journaling and a weekly “artist’s date” where you do something for yourself (similar to Pook’s concept of dating yourself). I journaled 6 days out of 7 this week, missing one as I overslept and didn’t make the time to catch up later. The artist’s date was pretty minimal - taking myself to an English language bookshop and buying some of my favourite books, but, hey, it’s a start.
This week: journal every day. Go on an “artist’s date”.
I haven’t been meditating. So, this week: meditate 5 times for at least 10 minutes.
Admin/Household
"This week I will sort out my tax return and submit the paperwork for passport and driving license."
Driving license pending, but no progress on the passport. I negotiated with a local accountant about doing my tax return and managed to get him to take his fees down by more than 50%. That will be submitted this week.
"I will also continue the process of making my apartment my own (I still have to remind myself that I can have whatever kind of living environment I want) by planting herbs and setting up window boxes."
Yes, I did this with my children over the weekend and really enjoyed it.
Noticed this weekend how much I was enjoying hanging out with my kids and having adventures. I hadn’t been leading them. I haven’t been a good father to them over the last few years. I’ve allowed my personal problems and marriage-breakdown to get in the way of a strong father-sons relationship.
Now, I’m taking that back. We went to the beach twice over the weekend, planted seeds, talked about Greek myths and watched a Werner Herzog film about volcanoes. We’re also working on pull-ups. I planned this, and it was great. I need to have more intentionality in my parenting, and teach my boys how to be healthy men through my example.
Elephants in the room
Still smoking. Not doing anything with dating.
SBIII 5y ago
If you can undestand Spanish, you can speak it. You just don't want to.
HornsOfApathy 5y ago
OYS #85
38 yo, 6’0, 168lbs, 12% BF, married 5, together 8, kids 3 & 13
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Last Friday I got an offer for a VP role from the company that my best-friend of 20 years is at. Wrote about it in OYS #66 and the associated ego. This was one of the pre-covid companies I was in negotiations with. It’s a good offer. It is for 50% more than I’ve ever made and an exciting job.
Yesterday another offer came through for another role I am also excited about. I’ll need to make a decision this week. Negotiations ongoing.
When the offer came through, I thought I was going to be elated. Eight months of grinding against a challenge - being on the hunt for a new role after pressing the nuke button my career. All the pressure would be off – I could celebrate a victory – and I would feel relief. Right?
But you know what? I didn’t feel any of that. In fact, I felt deflated. I felt no real sense of joy. I felt some minor accomplishment, sure. But not much else and it wasn’t exciting. It was more of “Yeah, I knew that would happen” thoughts.
From TWOTSM, Chapter 12:
This entire process has reminded me again that it’s always about the challenge, not the goal. I believe I am wired internally for a level of high energy – high effort - high performing life-masochism where I continually set imaginary finish lines which only give way to new imaginary finish lines. This is a cycle I have continually repeated my entire life (my lightning fast MRP journey being a reflection of this) and must accept this is who I am (for now). I have chosen to accept this challenge/finish-line mentality and reframe it into my mental models more positively and accept that part of myself.
What does that mean to me? I thought this was the biggest challenge of my life. It was merely a lesser purpose that gives more clarity that my mission is what is really important. All that stress, pain, anxiety… it has a purpose to remind me of what is really important. My mission and the joy it provides.
It's not knuckle push-ups and cold showers, but rather internal mental fortitude challenges that I’m very thankful for that provide clarity – I wouldn’t have it without this process. This career relaunch experience has taught me that my mission is the only thing that will provide me joy long term. Because you know what? There is no finish line in my mission. It’s impossible to beat myself up about my mission no matter how much energy, effort, or pressure of performance I create for myself. And that is joyful.
Maybe I create these imaginary finish lines needlessly? But… perhaps not. Maybe I create these challenges for a greater purpose, to honor my needs to be congruent with myself to pursue the great joy of my mission. Yes, I’m thinking so, and I’m fine with that.
Or maybe I’m playing stupid mental games to win stupid mental prizes, but I don’t think so. If so – fuck it. I like it. It's what I need for now.
Strength, motherfuckers.
dilberryhoundog 4y ago
High highs also allow for Low Lows.
Better Job offers or large client acquisitions (for a business) aren't wins, they aren't a destination. They are "game on", you have just won yourself a whole lot of work.
You win, when you leave a legacy, make an impact, reach the pinnacle.
A good example is the president (in the USA), if he thinks he's "won" or was successful after winning the election and has a big celebration, he will be a shit president. Presidents win when they leave a legacy, when they have positively impacted the country they lead, after the work is done, not before.
weakandsensitive 5y ago
Congratulations!
HornsOfApathy 4y ago
Thank you.
red-sfpplus 5y ago
STFU and go lift.
Start getting paid again, and when you have money coming in you will quickly find a new thing to slay.
SteelSharpensSteel 4y ago
Horns likes to overthink things sometimes. It is really this simple.
Fuck your wife. Lift heavy things. Savor the fruits of your labors. Enjoy a good scotch. That's all there is to it.
HornsOfApathy 4y ago
True story.
I'd probably stare at the scotch and attempt to derive some esoteric meaning about it given the absence of other thoughts.
red-sfpplus 4y ago
Fucking slow down Rambo.
Some of us are not married thank you very fucking much.
SteelSharpensSteel 4y ago
Lay off the humblebrag, wouldya. I get enough of that at work.
HornsOfApathy 5y ago
Never stop grinding. I have a new found love for the lack of payoff. I'll likely be in your neck of the woods often now.
red-sfpplus 5y ago
Good.
Those traps need work. I will help.
HornsOfApathy 5y ago
Deal.
jaackknives 4y ago
OYS # 8
34 yo, 6’1”, 173 lbs. Married 10 years, together 15 years. 1 kid (5). 13% B.F (Navy method). Squat 185x3, Bench 160x5, Deadlift 235x5, OHP 100x5.
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Reading
Completed WISNIFG, NMMNG, MMSL x2, SGM, TRM, MAP. Currently reading Pook (75%). Goal to finish Pook by next week, start 48 LOP.
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Lifting/Exercise
I’m always checking myself out in the mirror. Admiring the progress, taking BF% measurements, etc. But I realized that I’m trying to do it in secret, when my wife won’t catch me in the act. I am afraid. Afraid of what, I’m not exactly sure. Perhaps afraid of her thinking me to narcissistic? Too full of myself? Afraid of the ensuing reactions and conversations?
Goal: eliminate this avoidance behavior.
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Diet
Continuing with daily 16-18 hour fasting. Researched cutting and bulking cycles.
Goal for this week: put together my individual caloric and macro goals for bulking diet.
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Sex
I have not been initiating as much lately. In part I have not been desiring it as much - this is due to me spending more time and energy on myself. But another reason is that I’m still treating sex completely in her frame. Since becoming acutely aware of her monthly cycle, I know when she is typically in the mood. I initiate when I know there’s a high likelihood of getting sex. This makes my desire a reflection of her.
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Mental
Been doing more self-reflection lately, trying to understand which areas need improvement. I suck at it and need to work it. Without the ability to set aside my ego and understand where I am lacking I will just end up floundering indefinitely. One thing I did start to become aware of was my own avoidance mentality.
There was one moment during the week where I tried to initiate some ass-grabbing or a 10 second kiss. She ran away, “not now, I have stuff to do”. Rejection hit me like an electric shock. I was a bit stunned by my own reaction, standing there like a dumbass. At first I was confused, wondering why rejection hit me so hard that time. But reflecting back (while writing this post) made me realize that it wasn’t just that one time. It just hit me harder than usual. There is often a bit of rejection that I was hardly aware of. I just didn’t pay any attention to it before. Probably didn’t want to know it was there. But now I see it, and can work to eliminate it and project OI.
Goal for this week: spend one meditation session self-reflecting. Also, identify areas of avoidance mentality as I spot them throughout the week.
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Family / Home
Have a number of projects to get knocked out and/or started this next week. 12 tons of landscaping rocks to get spread around the house. Customizing a cabinet to organize the disarray that currently exists in our laundry room. Also need to plan out and begin the landscaping around my son’s playset in the backyard.
Goal for this week: complete landscape rock and laundry cabinet projects.
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Social/Hobbies
I met up with a running group one morning consisting of a small group of people that I’d met up with a few times last year. Also present was a large women’s only group from a local health club, none of whom I knew. I showed up just before we started running, and our groups quickly got separated.
They were commenting on how different I looked from the last time they had seen me. I failed the opportunity to A&A and come off in any way as seeming confident and/or cocky and fun. Rather, I just stood there and STFU when these comments were coming. The two groups may be meeting again in the future. If that happens I will take the opportunity to go early and meet some new people.
Smuggler-Tuek 4y ago
Good to acknowledge this. I know the feeling, I used to do it too. At some point though I realized I don't care what she thinks, I didn't improve my body for her, I did it for me. I'm happy with how I look and I like to monitor the progress. I'd recommend reading "the subtle art of not giving a fuck."
2wo2wo3hree 4y ago
“I’m always checking myself out in the mirror. “Admiring the progress, taking BF% measurements, etc. But I realized that I’m trying to do it in secret, when my wife won’t catch me in the act. “
-I would caution you. There is nothing wrong with taking your measurements in private and admiring yourself in private. With where you’re at in your stats, the mass and muscles just aren’t there yet. You might unintentionally and covertly communicate negative self consciousness and lack of confidence. Which is unattractive. Be cool man. If you know you have avoidance behavior, find a different issue. I think it’s ok that you admire yourself in private. Or, you can oil yourself up and flex in front of her. Do what you want.
jaackknives 4y ago
I appreciate the perspective. My novice self-awareness jumped right to "avoidance behavior = must eliminate" and saw it as an easy win. I am confident with my recent weight loss, but as my goals switch from losing weight to gaining mass, my outlook is likely to change.
redpillruminations 5y ago
OYS 20: (June 23, 2020)
Stats:
28, married 4 years, 123lb, 11-12% bf, 5'3", 5/3/1, squat 220x5, bench 135x5, OHP 115x3, DL 250x6
Mission:
(In progress, I know this isn't a great mission right now) Be the man I want to be. Be better today than I was yesterday.
Reading:
WISNIFG x2, Day Bang
I need to dedicate an hour a night to reading. Not MRP posts, the actual sidebar books. I spend a lot of time on MRP looking up old threads, reading up on specific search terms, J10 posts. A lot of it is mental masturbation at this point.
Lifting / Diet:
Obsessed with Greg Doucette's anabolic cookbook. Low calorie, dense foods. Would really recommend anyone watch his youtube videos and buy/pirate the cookbook if you're looking for a lifestyle diet that will work for you forever (bulk, cut, "maingain").
The cookbook has really changed the way I look at meals. I start every day off with 3 slices of low calorie bread, made into french toast with egg whites. 0 calorie syrup.
Some guys on here preach "eat big get big" and that's fine, but it's not reality for me - I just get fat on that plan. This has been working well for me, doesn't feel like a diet.
Career:
I am not into my job that much right now. Trying to envision a 12-month exit plan or some way I can transition into another role after building up some significant savings.
Playing around with a side business idea, and trying to get an understanding of what the entry cost is (something like $5k). I have the mind and the willingness but don't have the idea yet. I don't want to trade time for money forever, I want to build something self-sustaining that I can continue to work on and build up over time.
Mindset / Frame:
In this journey, I've spent some time going back to where I came from. Photos has been sending me snapshots of years gone by - this week, I watched a couple videos from 5-10 years ago that had me dying laughing. I held serious frame back then, talking shit with my friends. It was amazing to watch and I inspired myself with what was and could be again.
I also got to thinking about college. Talking to a buddy of mine recently, he was telling a story about how I had "balls outside the body confidence." Somewhere I lost it along the way. Irrational self confidence. It was more douchey back then but I'm trying to harness it.
I don't want to live in the past but I'm distilling that "essence" that makes me who I am. A confident man on his purpose.
Spent some time recently at a few family/friend gatherings, and felt powerful. I was just doing me, but had people offering to get me food, drinks, whatever. That hasn't happened to me before.
I also spent time playing lawn sports with kids. I haven't felt like I'm ready to be a father (I'm not at all), but spending time with these kids, I can't help but feel like they're lost. They need a true role model to show them the way, not criticize them, just let them play and figure shit out. Be a real example. Could have been a few bad case studies, but these beta dads sitting around and letting the kids run rampant, just ordering them around. There's no respect in that.
Just a good example of why continuing to get my shit together is critical.
Relationship:
Getting turned down still probably 3/4+ times. I initiate, she says "no, you don't get how this works say something nice" and then I'll try to A&A, initiate again. No go. Realized I'm failing at comfort but don't want to just bow down to her commands in that moment. And apparently "nice tits" isn't working. Will try a kiss on the head next time.
Or she just flat out says "no" and brushes me aside.
She also pulled "you don't even like me" which I returned with a kiss on the head. Got this one a few times before and failed it as a shit test.
This Saturday she went out with a family member and called me: "do you miss me?" and I said "no, I'm working." I realized after that I failed again.
I still have work to do on A&A where appropriate (coming up with the right calibration of it). I need to work on my leadership and identifying - and passing - these comfort tests.
Overall, things are okay in the relationship, and improve as I STFU and deal with my own emotions. But I have work to do.
Finances:
Debt free. Finally. Starting to fill the coffers.
Personal / Social Life:
Meeting a friend on Tuesday. As places begin to reopen, I need to get out of the house more. Working from home is not idea, but the alone time has helped me recalibrate myself tremendously.
Vices:
On the straight and narrow.
Vegasman20002 5y ago
Overall things are ok? I don't think so. Don't even bother with A&A what you need to learn is fogging. Also you may want to slow down the number of initiations, that is a lot of rejection and worse a lot of power she has- and your initiation probably seems to her like a puppy coming back to eat it's own shit. You aren't good enough to fuck, in her mind. Work on that.
part_wolf 5y ago
A year in and you have no idea who you want to be when you grow up? What's holding you back from developing your mission here?
redpillruminations 5y ago
I need to revisit this.
HornsOfApathy 5y ago
One day your going to check that little manlet ego of yours and listen to men smarter and have way more gratifying sexual (and otherwise) lives than your own.
You're afraid you will get fat because you won't work hard in the gym. Faggot thinking.
Until then enjoy more of this:
Vegasman20002 5y ago
This is the truth. I was worried when I started eating and you know what: I worked harder at lifting and haven't gained a pound. Calories up to 3000 on lift days, no problem. Fat still going down (slower than a cut obviously).
OP: eat big on lift days, do a cut diet on non-lift days until you get used to it and see the benefits.
HornsOfApathy 4y ago
I'd actually recommend he learn to eat big first then dial it back to whatever schedule fits. He doesn't even know HOW to eat like that and putting it in intermittently will set him up for failure.
Guarantee his idea of eating big is one extra slice of avocado toast.
redpillruminations 4y ago
My idea of eating big is binging 5k extra calories a day.
Vegasman20002 4y ago
The main thing for me, as a skinny fuck, is learning how to do it right. I have it down now but needed to build that confidence and knowledge. My first try went badly and was a two or three month setback trying to cut to rectify the damage. Now I look at it as a long term plan and not "do it as fast as possible."
But better guys than me (and OP) probably can eat big from the getgo; but in my case as a relative noob to both lifting and eating the gradual process seemed more logical. I started eating six weeks ago, gained about 3-6 pounds so far depending on when I weigh myself but BF dropped below 14%. Could it go faster? Sure.
HornsOfApathy 4y ago
I do it in stints, also as a skinny fuck, but my default is eat big.
I do mini cuts for a week at a time evwry couple months because I want to shed waste water weight and see my flat stomach again.
But thats because I'm still kind of a faggot with a body dismorphia excuse.
opseccret 5y ago
OYS#32
June 23
Me - 43 years old, 5 foot 7, 190.6 lbs 12% navy method
Her 48 together 13 years, married 7, one child age 6
Physical
Still doing the Kettlebell workouts, involving 500 kb swings a day, done in 100 rep complexes with another exercise done for 6 total reps, based on 3-5 rep max. Only got in 3 workouts over the first half of last week, as house renovations took over the last half. Lots of piddly crap that used up most of the day and left me exhausted and sore, particularly in my hands. Goal last week was to shorten rest periods between complexes to under 2 minutes, which I didn’t get to. That is now the goal this week. There should be enough time even with the remaining renovations to get this in this week.
I am going to clean up my diet more, with a little more focus on lowering carbs and cutting out sugar, not that there was all that much before. Wife has been eating crappy lately, it is showing. If she wants to go down that road it is her choice, but it will become painfully obvious how wide the gap is between us.
Took the last week off of BJJ after getting a few accidental knees, etc. which caused some torn stitches, but overall feel like I have recovered almost completely from my surgery. Still some soreness, but more energy, and sex drive has returned, which was starting to get me concerned. This week I am going to go back to BJJ, but only drilling for now. I figure rolling can resume when I feel no more discomfort from poking myself, however long that takes.
Mental
Made an improvement on the mental front that I hadn’t even realized I needed. My wife had come into my office while I was working on my writing and tried chatting with me. I stared at her and said I was busy. She said something about just wanting to chat, and I told her it could wait. I realized after that I never really stopped her from interrupting me when I was in the middle of something. Because of the time I usually write, these interruptions were rare and it simply never occurred to me that I was setting aside something important for her whims. It is a strange coincidence that I see that new post on NMMNG, as it is obvious I could do with a re-read of the fundamentals.
While doing some research on becoming a paid writer, I learned that on average those that are moderately successful spend nearly 30 hours a week at it. It makes me realized I have to carve out a lot more time in my day to pump out content if I am taking this seriously. Two hours first thing in the morning, and two hours in the evening before bed is the plan this week. Goal last week was to pump out about 15 pages of content. Only achieved half of that. It would be easy to blame the renovations and being tired, but I could have done more. Goal this week is that I will spend 28 hours working on it and write 20 pages.
Sex
Didn’t get laid last week, but didn’t really try, and didn’t really care. Sex drive started to come back mid week, and especially so in the first half of the day. By the time she got home from work, I would be busy with renos, and in the evening when reno work was done, it was no longer on my radar. I am guessing this will continue for most of this week as we are in a rush to get the reno’s done before we have family come to stay with us.
Goal is to keep up Kino for this week. I know I need to do more on this front, just lower priority right now.
Slapeeey 5y ago
OYS : 40, 6'0" 175lb, DL: 240 x 3, OP: 90 x3, Squat 180x3, Bench: 145 x 3
Physical: Went full monk during the first half of this year, 5-6 workouts / week in my garage. Recently, decided to actually use some of the muscles I have built up by taking it down to 3 workouts a week and getting out into other actual sports. This is more fun and I'll likely look to going back to full weight / training just 3 months a year during the winter. I extended this year more than I originally planned as it was paying out well for me and made sense with current external environment. I'm starting to plateau with a lot of metrics and when one goes up another goes down. Goals: continue weight training as primary focus through summer, add in runs.
I've been a little more active re-reading and remembering the doctrine here the past few weeks. I kept leaving this place thinking I finally got it and then things wind down a notch and I end up back here. About 2 years? Consistent.
Areas needing work:
Wife: Made a concentrated effort to not bother her and do my own thing. Didn't really go that well, she kept asking what is the matter, why are you acting that way and it was annoying. I gave her a little validation hug and quick chat so now she falls asleep thinking everything is ok. Fail. I will have to train her to be a better personal slut of mine. I need to be more subtle here and think longer term gainzz vs short term tit for tat.
Social
This was bad before Covid and I have fallen off a cliff lately. I need to incorporate higher quality people that can keep up in outdoor pursuits, too many of my friends are what I refer to as 'eating' friends only. The only commonality is that we both eat dinner. The quest continues here.
Immediate: Plan something for Saturday that I want to do.
johneyapocalypse 5y ago
Pathetic.
threekindsoflucky 4y ago
This is a sad old story.
Edit: Rule 9 - I can't handle looking at the 'Wife' section again.
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2wo2wo3hree 4y ago
“My fiancée has been having a big shake up at work which is making her stressed, and I think I’ve used this as an excuse to make us more comfort food.“
-You hurt both of you by leaving your mission to feed your fiancé who is in her feelings about something that has anything to do with you.
“so this week my aim is eat extra clean, to lose as much water weight as possible.“
-go for a sustainable goal. You’re eating clean for your wedding. What are you gonna do in your honeymoon? Get fat? Eat cleanER and sustain that.
“and she straight up told me she doesn’t respect me as much when she’s working full time and I’m not.”
-Women are COVERT communicators. If they don’t respect you, they might act like it. But for her to overtly...IN...YOUR... FACE... tell you she doesn’t respect you... man, I can’t believe she’s marrying you. She probably can’t believe it either.
“Good news: Sorted my resentment about housework. Bad news: Replaced it with resentment about sex. Built up my frame, then fucked it up. Rebuilding this week.”
-You’re making your covert contract look pretty. Make sure you invite that dancing monkey to your wedding.
johneyapocalypse 4y ago
Sounds like you're an athlete.
Also sounds like you're getting hitched (at 25) - the mysterious "circumstances" you mention in your first OYS - doing so in a "rush" - and making sure it happens before leaving for "training camp."
I'll give you two pieces of advice:
Choosing one of those two - versus not - will do more for your "frame" (ahh, the vaunted frame, hallelujah) than anything else you can do right now.
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johneyapocalypse 4y ago
Good man. Smart move.
Good luck. At least you did that right.
Never get complacent.
SBIII 4y ago
So you're doing OYS, playing for the crowd.
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And losing weight, playing for the crowd.
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And changing your meal plans based on your wife's moods.
And living in your wife's head.
You have zero frame. You live your life treading carefully around your percieved notions of what others might think of you. What about not giving a fuck? What about living life on your own terms?
Read the sidebar again. Only this time, actually read the fucking thing.
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rotkohlblaukraut 4y ago
> I've been picturing a heap of MRPers reading my OYS
Living not only in your wife's head, but in the heads of a buch of internet strangers.
SBIII 4y ago
Don't be under the illusion that anyone here gives a fuck about you.
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Maximus_Valerius 4y ago
How might that help you?
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Maximus_Valerius 4y ago
If you assume that no one cares about you, you also might realize that you need to prioritize yourself and your needs above everyone else’s.
Then it doesn’t matter if other people don’t care about you (it’s great if they do), because you care about you.
MonkModeActive 4y ago
2020-06-23 This is my sixth OYS
Mindset
Two weeks ago I checked in here to check if I had any OYS feedback and instead found that I had received a two week ban because I’m a frameless faggot. First I was angry, and then I was sad. Then I exercised.
Reading this last fortnight focused on NMMNG Chapter 6 with exercises. I also read James Salters Solo Faces which I think others here may also enjoy reading.
Mould
Maintained current programme of rowing machine and dumbbells. Have been eating well, only drank one night in the last two weeks. Went for a hike.
Man
Plenty of good social time with other men during this period. Checking in with old and newer friends for coffee or lunch to share common perspectives has been good for my head. Some of the guys really kicking things in the ass, others grinding through life, some not doing all that great at all. I sent a gift ebook copy of NMMNG to one of these men but refrained from talking about fight club directly.
I spent one day in the countryside by myself hunting for pigs. Nothing around but again I am reminded of the restorative power of this simple act of getting outdoors. Something of a vision is emerging in my head around a life spent with more connection with the outdoors and with where food comes through but this mission is incomplete.
Money
Paid off a loan this month which creates quite a bit of free cash flow in the future. Cash budget remains somewhat tight however the basics are well covered and any anxiety in this regard relates more to future ambitions.
Next week I have the final interview as one of three candidates for a new role with the executive committee who will make the final decision. I really want this role and have put a lot of work into my application and the selection process thus far. Last week I met with my career coach who put me through a few interview scenarios.
In my current role my team is beginning to run light on work as we experience a lull driven by our various clients rebalancing their work programs, however there have been a lot of enquiries and proposals have been going out the door. I’ve been working on mindset with them, particularly on the mood manoeuvres needed to keep an abundance mindset over that of scarcity. Seems easier to do this in a professional setting rather than a personal one, even though it is the same thing.
I don’t have an abundance mindset when it comes to my own affairs. I am restrained about taking on some of the larger debt required in the local real estate market. I feel like this is holding us back and I need to figure this out.
Minions
Have not been getting outside enough with the oldest. He is starting to push on boundaries more and will benefit from more one on one time with me and other men in the family. Last week kept the household running on schedule while the wife’s hamster went into overdrive regarding the youngest’s birthday, which went well even with restrictions imposed by authorities in response to the thing.
Marriage
I think I have been passing comfort tests okay and did not notice receiving any shit tests in the last two weeks.
Walking nude on my way to the shower, wife gave my ass a playful slap on the way past with a “I like what I see.” I turned, pushed her to the bed and whispered, “I’m going to fuck the shit out of you when I get back.” When I followed up a little later in the day, I got her out of her clothes easily enough. I resisted the urge to follow our usual script, which is getting her off with my tongue before thrusting away. Instead I just did my best caveman, which was admittedly all over quite quickly. Taking some care with her afterwards, she asked “You’re not getting sick of me?”. I resisted the babble of words that threatened to boil up out of my mouth. Instead I pulled her in close, kissed her forehead, and gave her a slap on the ass.
When I shower at a mutually convenient time, my wife will join me and often ends up on her knees. I have noticed two things, that she likes seeing me aroused when she joins me, and that she responds best to non-verbal cues to sucking on my dick.
Sex aside, I perceive that she is trying to work out where she fits in our future. I have not yet clarified that vision nor communicated anything for her to respond to.
bluepillbandit 4y ago
OYS #22
Stats- Age: 40- 193cm 95kg, Waist- 36”, BF- ?
Lifting- Squat- 120kg, Deadlift- 165kg, Bench- 90kg, Standing Press- 60kg
Relationship: Wife 39- Together 20 years- Married 16 years- Kids 10 & 7
Read: Dead bedroom fix, NMMNG, MMSLP, Saving a low sex marriage, Rational Male,
Reading: WISNIFG (50%), MMSLP- 25%
Mission- Work in progress.
Highlights from the week:
This week was ok but there’s still so much I can do better. I need to take the wins but not be complacent with any progress I have made. There’s still so long for me to go. I do feel however that I am starting to make inroads on my former self. I am starting to see, in real time, the differences on how I need to act and that is starting to become more natural.
Morning Routine- 3/7. I hit three morning routines the last week. I’m on two in a row now and that will continue. Even with interrupted sleep I will push this. Just need to get to bed earlier if that’s going to be the case.
Diet- Giving myself a 7/10. Lost 1kg which was the plan. Also ate pretty much to plan. Had two birthday parties back to back on Saturday and the only “bad” food I ate was a handful of Maltesers. I’ve made it super easy on myself too. Morning training with a PWO carb/protein shake, rice and chilli for lunch, rice and chicken for dinner. Some fruit thrown in for good measure. I have had a couple of glasses of wine every night/second night. Now that the diet is locked in again I will focus on the alcohol and getting that out of the system.
Initiations- I initiated 2/7 nights. 3 nights we had my daughter constantly in and out of our bed which negated any real chance and the other 2 were me working late. However, I need to further inoculate myself against the “no” so I can actually initiate with confidence which will lead to much greater success. I find myself second guessing what I’m about to do/say which obviously comes through in the delivery. Example of this is we were mucking around in the kitchen, kids were asleep and I grabbed her from behind around the waist, picked her up and flipped her over so I was cradling her close to me. Would have been the perfect transition to the bedroom but I hesitated. From then on it was forced and unnatural. That’s me not trusting my first instincts.
I still have the pussy on a pedestal though. This is plainly clear to me. I am hoping through these routine initiations that I can start to make it just another part of the day and not the be all and end all. Re-reading MMSLP and Athol talks about the male brain without sex and how it basically makes getting sex the mission over and above everything else. Not shocking at all but an example of the work I have to do.
Confrontations- I’ve never been good at confronting people. I have rarely, if ever, actually done it. This was a very minor incident but a huge progress step for me. I was going to the shops and I was waiting for a car park. I had waited probably 2-3 minutes for the person to get their shit together and leave. As they left, a guy sped around the corner and started to pull into the space. I am 100% that he saw me waiting. I motioned him that I had been waiting and he pretended he didn’t know what I was doing and waved for me to go past. I wound down the window and shouted (controlled but firm tone of voice) “mate, I’ve been waiting for this spot”. He apologised, pulled out and drove away. It might seem like a small thing but I never would have done this previously. There was also no malice in my voice (fake confidence) or shakiness (nervousness).
Vision- We are moving house at the end of the year. We are buying a bigger more appropriate home for our family in a much nicer area. The type of home I want to live in for the long term. There is plenty of equity on our home and I ran the figures on keeping our home and renting it out when we buy the new place. The financials work out great and it will only cost slightly more than what we are responsible for now. I discussed that with her and started to build that long term vision. Keep our place, build more equity, send the kids here for school, create more wealth over the next 10-15 years. She was immediately on board with this and I could see the excitement building. I am starting to see just how powerful this can be. I was also 100% authentic too which no doubt helped a lot.
Covert Contracts- As part of building the vision I bought a new oven which I told the wife about. She was super excited as our current one had broken a couple of weeks ago and has been on the way out for a few years. Immediately I felt that old familiar pang of “I’ve done something nice for her maybe she’ll do something nice for me”. Quashed it pretty damn quickly but it’s amazing how quickly that shit comes back. Since then I’ve been on the lookout for any kind of covert contracts I’m still running because I’m sure they are there but I just don’t realise it yet.
Boundaries- Feel I did pretty well with setting and maintaining boundaries this week. There were two occasions where she wanted me to change my entire day to fit her exercise in which I held firm on what I was already doing or had to do that day. In the past I would likely have caved with the thought that I had a higher chance at sex that night (covert contract). Another was when her car was low on petrol and she wanted to take mine. Again a year ago I would have probably offered to go fill hers up, drive to where she was parked and swap them over. This time I told her she just needed to get her own petrol. She was pissed for all of about 5 seconds before dropping it.
Shit tests- After little testing the last few weeks there were a barrage this week. Lots of compliance testing but also lots of genuine shit tests. I got caught off guard a few times but never DEER’d. It may have taken me longer to react than I would have liked but that’s where STFU is so good. On one occasion she went off about something and I held silent. She actually asked me “well, what do you have to say for yourself” to which I responded “I’ve got nothing to add to this conversation” and left the room. Again these tests last 5 seconds to a minute max and they’re over. This is vastly different to when I used to try and explain. Then the questions start and it’s on for young and old.
The main type of compliance test I receive is “can you get this for me”. This is usually said when I’m sitting right next to her or in a completely different room. Example of this is last night we were watching an episode of a real estate selling show. She wanted dessert and from a foot away from me asked if I could make her pancakes. She did this in her best baby, lovey dovey voice. I said no that she could make them herself. She kept at it for a while during which I suggested we should have sex. I didn’t expect it to go anywhere but wanted to see how she reacted. She got pissed and again, forgot about it and started talking to me a minute later as if nothing had every happened. This is really the start of me noticing with amusement what her reactions are to my behaviour. I am starting to see this as a game. A dance that we both play and with the exception of a few instances this week I have really enjoyed these tests.
Plan for this week:
weakandsensitive 4y ago
ctrl-f "she" and consider frame.
bluepillbandit 4y ago
Good call. Duly noted.
DrBeaufort 4y ago
OYS #10
Stats
Age mid 30s, together with wife \~15y. 1 toddler. Height 6'1", weight 226lbs.
Squat - 320x5, Press 132.5x5, Deadlift 320x5, Bench 185x5
Sidebar
Finished: NMMNG, MMSLP, MAP, TWOTSM, WISNIFG
Reading now: SGM, re-read WISNIFG
Sleep
My sleep is much improved the last few weeks, and I have felt calmer and less stressed.
Lifting/diet
My doctor required me to take two weeks off from doing a valsava maneuver, and I stupidly tried lifting heavy without a valsava and injured myself. I'll need at least another week off lifting at this point, so I've been experimenting with some longer fasts... I did a 72 hour fast last week coupled with a 'vision quest' a la TWOTSM.
Relationship
My wife bailed on a camping trip she asked me to take her on the last minute, so my son and I went anyways without her. I was fine with this, since I knew she has been would ruin it and want to go home if anything mildly stressful or difficult happened. In 'exchange' for this time without childcare duty, I got her to watch our son so I could do a TWOTSM style vision quest. This was an interesting experience, but mostly I realized was obvious- my current career *is* my mission and I'm not going hard enough at it.
For now dynamics seem somewhat improved with my wife... for now I have been going along with the very blue pill marriage counseling program we're in, and have been cuddling her and listening to her more, and she is acting more affectionate. I confronted her with some serious issues I wasn't happy about, and she responded positively and agreed to change things rather than getting angry as she would have in the past.
Parenting/household
I haven't been keeping the house as clean as I'd like, and I've lost my temper and became frustrated with my son a few times. I need some deeper inner work to not get frustrated so easily with little things.
Personal/social life
I had a long phone call with an old friend, but otherwise no social interaction.
Career/work
It's a mess, I am way behind in a lot of things. I keep letting difficulties with my wife distract me from focusing on my work. I have experimented with some breathing techniques (e.g. Wim Hof and others), and they help me get started doing focused work.
Frame/mindset
Goal accountability from last time
-Emphasize sleep, get to bed early
Result: success
-lift 3x, 20 hour fast 3x
Result: failed at lifting, did the fast
-practice WISNIFG techniques
Result: success
-start deep work for 5 minutes 3x/day (more specific than last week)
Result: failure
-call one old friend to catch up
Result: success
-eat less, be really hungry everyday for at least an hour
Result: success
Next week goals
-Emphasize sleep, get to bed early
-20 hour fast 3x, or 72 hour fast
-practice WISNIFG techniques
-start deep work for 5 minutes 3x/day (more specific than last week)
-call one old friend to catch up
UsefulWalk4 4y ago
OYS #22:
Stats: Age 43, Wife 40. Married 15 years, kids 6’2”, 183 lbs. 14% Navy Method
Lifts: Nice to be back at the gym. My second workouts on each lift were a huge disappointment. Still tired from the first batch. I took a rest day today. I’ll hit a third round thru starting tomorrow. Squat 5x5, 225#, Deadlift 2X5 225#, BP? Row?, OHP ?
Sex: Zippo
Relationship: Nothing to report, still married. Driving me a little crazy with little requests here and there. Trying to establish for myself the fine line between NO and being a dick at a reasonable request. Too much time in my head and hers.
Reading: Finishing WISNIFG re-read. I’m finding the book more valuable than the first read. I’ll be posting more thoughts once I finish it again. Almost done, need to make more time to read.
Frame: My “positive frame” is improving, I’m using “I’m doing X right now, you interested” a lot.
Mental point of Origin: I’ve been busy and tired. At this point I need to dedicate a significant amount of focus to prioritizing my needs and wants. When I lose focus, I fall immediately back into my preprogrammed behaviors/going thru the motions of life.
Mission: Eat, Lift, and be Happy; get MY shit done.
Initiation: Check, 9/10 weeks. Ramping up to multiple initiations per week.
Validation: I’ve improved here, not seeking validation in most circumstances. Except…..
A Brief “She Story”: She was sweet as pie all day, smiling, caught her looking at me in a way I hadn’t seen in some time. My thought, oh boy, Sex is on for tonight. I’m making progress. Bedtime approaches, she gets tired/headachy and crashes out over an hour early. I was disappointed, maybe even butthurt. The best I can say is that I was at least aware of the emotions and validation I was expecting to receive in the moment that night, help dampen the frustration a little. Still got work to do. I have made significant improvements in avoiding trying to figure out "what's she's thinking".
Covert Contracts: “Instead of being a man who removes his time and attention for a poorly performing wife as a covert contract, you should be a man that has more exciting and interesting things to do other than placate and play mind games with a lackluster wife” I’m doing my best to live that mantra, I need to really internalize this philosophy, I’ll make no progress until I do.
Happy: Trying.
Action plan: Lift, Sidebar, STFU, identify validation seeking, identify and avoid covert contracts. Work toward developing a positive vision for a frame. Be fun, have fun….
Stay focused!
threekindsoflucky 4y ago
Covert contract. You're looking to see her response to what you're doing. You're going down the dancing monkey path.
UsefulWalk4 4y ago
Spot on, at least I picked up on the covert contract as it was underway. I'm becoming more self aware at least.
My biggest challenge is avoiding judging my progress by her response. My trip into MRP started like most: How to get more/better sex from wife. Very difficult to disconnect her response to my judgment. The entire process is one gigantic covert contract for me (improvement for sex). I recognize it, just not sure what to do with it sometimes. I do still want the more/better sex after all.
I know the answer is going my own way/doing what I want to do. Keeps coming back to "I want to have sex". I'm trying very hard (too hard) to "want" to do something else, have a mission, but this is a covert contract too. So, improvement for sex isn't working...just switch to don't worry about sex, focus on something else then the sex will come. Again, I'm aware of these covert contracts, I'm just not sure on how to move past them.
threekindsoflucky 4y ago
Mine as well. I never thought I had any other real issues outside of sex. 2 years here has taught me better.
Look, I get it. You're not going to make any progress until you move past this. My life used to revolve around sex. I would think about it during the day, come home at night and my entire focus would be whether or not I was going to get laid that night, like it was something I had no control over.
You want more and better sex? Why does it have to come from your wife? If you decide it does, then you don't get to complain that you're not getting what you want. Be someone who other woman want to have sex with. If you don't know how, then make that your focus.
Then when your wife turns you down or you get shitty sex it won't matter to you anymore. You're operating from a scarcity mindset and until you change it, nothing will change for you as all your doing is 'self-improvement' with the hope your wife will notice and be attracted to you.
I guarantee that you still go down the dancing monkey path for at least 3 months until you realise.
UsefulWalk4 4y ago
100% spot on.
I realize. In fact, I've been aware of this for some time. Now, I have to figure out what's next. I'm married, I have kids, I take my marriage vows seriously, I have assets that I'd rather not part with. This mentality is what's leaving me stuck. I simply can't figure out how to unpack it. How do I move away from the scarcity mindset without blowing up my marriage? I know the answer is "wrong question" and I read "You must be willing you Nuke your Nuclear Family". I just can't figure a clear next step to move beyond being a dancing monkey. Got any tips on direction. I've been stuck as a dancing monkey for a while, I'd really like to move past it.
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PS: Read your how_to_OYS_Guide. Quality stuff. I also dug thru your post history. This little tidbit struck me:
This has been by mentality to a tee. I'm trying to move past it. I'm sure awareness is a least half the battle, but I'm not moving forward as fast as I hoped after the realization.
Also, I realized that you really suck at counting OYS posts.
threekindsoflucky 4y ago
Be someone who other women are attracted to. If you're not, then work on being someone who is. The point I was making is that if you decide that you want to only have sex with your wife, then you don't get to complain about it. I also made the same decision. I may change my mind, I may not. But I know that if I left my wife I could end up having sex with another girl within 1-2 weeks. It just so happens that sex isn't important anymore.
It's a mindset thing. You're doing it for her. You need to do it for you. There are others who are better suited at explaining the shift.
If you haven't already read it - Dancing Monkey Attraction Program
Yeah, welcome to the actual challenge. Buckle up.
Ha. I do indeed.
UsefulWalk4 4y ago
I'm far from perfect and there's always room for improvement, but I'm quite confident on the 1-2 week time frame as well. I'm positive deep down that it wouldn't be an issue.
Can't even imagine getting here, guess that's part of the problem.
I've got the Dancing Monkey article on speed dial, I could probably almost retype the damn thing from memory at this point.
Thanks for taking the time to comment at length again. Got me thinking, I'm motivated for posting this weeks OYS.
keepingittogether20 5y ago
OYS 19
38y.o. 6'0" 203 lbs 22.0% BF (Navy Method) Wife 34y.o. 5'11"178lbs, Married 11 years, Kids 9(m) 5(f)
Reading/SB
NNMNG, MMSLP, King Warrior Magician Lover, MAP, Poon, The King Within, TWOTSM, BPP- SLSM, Youtube Archetype Videos, Tons of Athol Kay & Entrepreneurs in Cars. Pinned Sidebar + Links within those.
Currently Reading: Pook- almost done
Physical
Strength
Day A: BP: 175x12, 3x 225x5, 175x12DL: 3x 215x5 Tricep overhead w/45lb plate 3x15Day B: Bent Over Row: 3x 100x10, OHP 3x 100x10Squat 3x 100x10, Shoulder fly 25lb plates 2x8Plank 3x per week, 2 minutes each time.
1x swim sprint
My formal free weight days were traded for heavy physical labor at my new house. Loading, moving, shaking and pouring 5 gal paint cans; Hauling demolition material down stairs and into the dumpster, hauling new supplies and furniture from the shelf to the cart, from the cart to the trailer, from the trailer to the garage and from the garage upstairs. Painting 2k sq ft of ceilings (forearms!), Hauling over a dozen contractor bags up and down stairs into the garage, then out to the street on garbage day. The physical work felt great, and I felt strong doing all of it.
Diet
Almost exclusively take out with time spent on the new house, but still made healthy choices
Hygiene
Staying good here, trying out different products in my hair at this length. Did a deep clean of the master bathroom yesterday when I looked in and was not impressed. It looks good again now.
Style
More work clothes in the garbage, retired a couple decent fitting but worn pairs of jeans to be work clothes.
Fat
I was happy to see a 2 lb and over 1% body fat drop. I have been letting myself go hungry at least a couple of times a day, and am being meticulous about what I order and from where. I will keep cutting fat while retaining/building muscle.
Goals
Lift 1x with continued heavy work on the house, swim 2x, go hungry 2x each day, drink soda water first each time I’m hungry for a snack.
Mental
Sleep was a little better this week. I averaged 6 hours, but there have been some late nights at the new house. I also had a couple of nights that I could not fall asleep so took melatonin and laid down and rested my mind until sleep took over instead of playing with my phone.
Pot: Today is day 94.
I was relying on coffee first thing in the morning, and decided to try a pint of lemon water right when I wake up to see if there is a difference. It might be placebo, but I find myself craving coffee about half as much.
Goals: 6 hours minimum of sleep each night, one night of 7.5 hours. Go to bed by 1am on Friday.
Mission
Short Term: Continue on the house. I am in a race against the flooring company. After 7/6 I cannot do any more heavy duty work upstairs because there will be an entire staircase and level of resurfaced hardwood floors. I am coming in on time and on budget, and am working to continue that trend. If I can keep this up, I will be able to get my boat in July.
Goal: Find my long-term mission
Marriage
I caught her in a relatively small lie last week about a conversation with our son and set a hard boundary about honesty. She did not like it one bit and stomped her feet/yelled, but knew she was wrong and has been almost overly honest since.
She tried to shit test me because she did not like how I was talking to a window salesman. Said I was “representing our family rudely”. I smiled and said “I manage vendors for a living, and don’t put up with the kind of bullshit he was giving” She said I could have been nicer, so I threw some A&A “Shit, you’re right. Next time I’ll welcome the bullshit and ask for more. I don’t care about his company, I only care about his low opinion of his competition. He probably has a family to feed so I should just give him the deal to make him FEEL better” She rolled her eyes and walked away.
Other than that things are going ok. She was bitching about a friend of hers and I grabbed her by the waist, looked her in the eyes and said “oh, my passionate, feminine woman” she was taken aback but liked it.
I doled out praise at color choices she has made, and some of the detail trim work she is doing. It does look great.
Goals: Continue to make her feel important with choices for the new house colors/fixtures/upgrades. Don’t fucking DEER.
Social
Had a great backyard fire at a friend’s house with 7 of us. It was the first time our poker group has gotten together in person since February. A lot of fun, and great to hang out with the guys.
Goal: reach out to at least 2 friends this week to chat.
Career
I finished setting the office up to be compliant, socially distant and “covid safe”. The owners are still pushing to get everyone back in, but are now listening and having conversations about sustained WFH. I have models set up to show how it can be done sustainably, and am testing them on a small scale. Moving a couple of teams around, and squeezing vendors where I can.
Finances
The house is staying on budget, and with money I have saved at a few different points I decided to pull the trigger on the master bathroom. Demo will be this week.
I finished my detailed cash flow projections for Q3, and high level for Q4/2021. They look the best they ever have. For the first time in my adult life my base salary will cover ALL of my outlay, with plenty of room for entertainment/unexpected. This means that instead of the two months with a third pay period and my quarterly bonuses being used to catch up, I can now save/invest half of each of them and use the other half to either play with or save for something fun. That is a huge weight off of my shoulders, and an upgrade to my mental well-being.
The mortgage guy doing the refi for my rental house dropped the ball and did not lock the rate before it went up. I called him up, demanded he fix it since it was his error, and he said he will “eat the difference” and lock me at what he quoted me. That will add another $300 to my monthly cash flow.
Goals: Continue to track each purchase to keep budget on point. Turn in everything needed to finish rental refi. Plan on foundation for shed and pull proper permit.
Blarg_Risen 4y ago
Nice. On the day of your choosing, flip your mindset from "#of days I've abstained" to "abstaining is the new me by default".
EasyDaysHardNights 4y ago
weakandsensitive 4y ago
Rule 9
Vegasman20002 5y ago
Your response on the salesman was less "A&A" and more "shut your mouth, the men are talking." Not sure that I could have handled it better, but just pointing it out. I tend to fuck up A&A that way.
keepingittogether20 5y ago
I struggle to make A&A not sound bitchy or butt-hurt sarcastic and instead over the top and a little funny. Still getting there, but I get what you're saying here.
HornsOfApathy 4y ago
I rarely use AA - its just not congruent to my frame and who I am.
It comes out sounding like being a try-hard funny dick.
They are all tools in the toolbox. Pick the tool for the job that you know how to use.
Me? I probably would responded: "Yep. I was being a big dick. Oops. You can take care of that big problem later." Shrug smile. Slap ass. Walkaway.
Combo of fogging (agree) and AM if I break it down like an autist.
keepingittogether20 4y ago
Exactly. I prefer the style of own it and move on.
HornsOfApathy 4y ago
They're not all shit tests. In the example you gave, she was probably right. You were being a dick likely on some subconscious power trip.
rather_empty 4y ago
OYS #14
Stats for nerds
29yo, 183cm, 75kg, bf anywhere between 10-15% judging by Internet charts. Wife is 44.
SymmetricStrength 5RM lifts: Back SQ 110kg, DL 145kg, Bench 74kg, OHP 45kg.
The crap
I was rightfully called out in my last OYS for caring about what goes on in my wife's head.
I was dutifully filling out OYS because my relationship was crappy (though since I was holding my own and OMS what was crappy about that?). When the wife had her quasi-main event I did a victory lap in my last OYS, proclaimed I was going to keep OMS then haven't OMS since then. I've got to keep OMS. I need that introspection to stay on top. It's training and deserves its rightful place alongside deadlifts.
Bought and will start journaling.
Household
Installed the bathroom under-sink unit, replaced extractor fan, re-silicone'd the bath properly, replaced two ceiling mounted downlights with a much brighter light. Got the bay tree rootball out without having to smash the wall it was growing into. Fixed hole in lounge ceiling, plastered, textured and painted. Bought a pressure-washer, cleaned filthy back wall of house.
I've neglected creating a schedule or timetable for the children to follow at home. The only thing they're doing consistently right now is daily handwriting practice and an hour or two on Khan Academy. I will research then design a timetable with input from wife and children then print off.
Physical
I need my rest days. Now only doing 10x10 32kg morning kettlebell swings on Mon/Wed/Fri same as the deadlifts. Still no squat rack.
Bought and read The Leangains Method. I want to be built with defined abs. Have started 18:6 IF and switched to a high-protein diet. I've got lazy with the deadlifts, need to start a program otherwise they'll stay stuck at 5x 140kg.
Style / Hygiene
No barbers open and no telling when they will be open. Bought hair clippers and gave myself a number 2 all over since there was no hope of my being able to trim the pompadour (no really) I had before.
Relationship
A few days ago wife blew up my phone with texts complaining about depression, how difficult it is for her to lose weight, lack of sleep due to son waking up during the night etc. I think I'd said she was fat earlier in the day (she found a diet and exercise routine as has been sticking to it). That was stupid - why had I not instead praised her for all the good work she's been doing? Deciding it was a comfort test, I replied "big hug for when you need it" and went on about my day. She came around within an hour or two. Previously this would've been multi-day silent treatment.
Wife is probably the happiest and healthiest I've seen her in over two years. She's cheerful and actively adding value.
TODO
2wo2wo3hree 5y ago
OYS #2
PRE-REQ: NMMNG, MMSLP, WISNIFG, TWOTSM, POOK, Current Gym Audiobook: TRM Reading: MAP
STATS: 35yo, 6’3, 204lbs, 18%bf, BP: 225 5x5, OHP: 115 5x5, Back Squat: 225 5x5, DL: 315 1x5 Gym: At least 5 times a week, ending in moderate 10 minute cardio.
Intermittent Fasting: 18-6
FITNESS:
-Get down to 200lbs and Evaluate. -Get comfortable with pre-covid lifts. BP: 225 (5x5) <==met Squat: 225 (10x5) OHP: 135 (5x5) deadlift: 315 (1x5) <==met.
Once all are “met” I’m not going to add any weight. I will be going for more reps instead, to preserve my joints for the long run.
-By my standards I’m a weak runner at under 8min/mile for two miles of max effort. I’ve been fucking around with runs by running relaxed at high 9min/mile. I’m going to run a weekly 2 miles at under 9min/mile and maintain.
BACKGROUND: Married 5 years, 3yo daughter. Beta traits, Nice Guy syndrome. 2 year affair with another married woman because I was too weak and low value for my strong willed, opinionated wife. I fucked down to make myself feel better.
Being partially “aware” saved my marriage. I attended months of marriage counseling (for her) while I dug my nose in books to recalibrate myself. Counseling is for girls. Don’t do it.
My experience in having an affair explode in my face taught me that Dread is a motherfucker. Dread is real!
My Mission:
-Stop ignoring broken shit -Stop porn/fap -Stop verbal intercourse -Books/Articles over Social Media
-Reconstruct a social life. -Seek a harmonious family life. -Kill the dancing monkey.
-Maintain my sex life. -Maintain or improve my physique. -Do a weekend task each week. -Maintain high value and stoicism.
On TsEXTING: Logistics and Game only. I use it to build the sexual tension and excitement toward the weekend because of our conflicting schedules. If it’s not about sex, nudes, or logistics... it’s getting ignored.
Relationship Weekly:
Early part of the week was tense. I failed to take lead on the maintenance my house needed due to a burst pipe that happened two weeks ago. The delay was from waiting on insurance estimates but everything is taken care of. I slacked on game, comfort and feelz. I was being sloppy and lazy but I caught it. So, I buckled in and doubled down on my behavior. I squared my shit away. Unfortunately, this usually rocks the boat a little bit but I always balance it out with kino, feelz and game. It wasn’t enough. I still felt a change in my wife’s behavior. It seems my A-game shakes her up. This led up to a shit test in the form of “Have you done what I asked you to do? Inquiring about the scheduled maintenance. I knew the real complaint was the lack of feelz, which was followed by really owning my shit and display of higher value. (It caused accidental dread) I answered with “No” and left it there without defense, explanation, excuse, rationalization or argument. I didn’t take the test. I’m learning that shit tests are hard to pass when they are true. If I can’t pass the test, I don’t take it at all. I gave her some time while I continued to be in good spirits with stoicism toward whatever mood she’s in. She recalibrated and joined my vibe. The next morning, I received an unsolicited (probably underserved) nude from her while she was at work. I came home from work at midnight to a naked wife who immediately initiated sex soon as I hopped in bed. I did not lower myself to the complaint. I didn’t entertain the pouting. Everything turned out fairly well for me.
The weekend came. My morning was about taking care of some home and personal errands. I rearranged furniture and completed tasks. My wife returned home at noon from a half-day of work. I greeted her at the door with a celebrated smile, kiss, and a hug. Her response was cold. “You didn’t even text me to say good morning.” She didn’t text me to say good morning either. But I didn’t say that. I jokingly and exaggeratedly greeted her “Well, GOOD MORNING!!!!” and I walked away without displaying any butt hurt. I was given space and silent treatment. In return, I squeezed her ass goodbye and left for the gym for an awesome workout! I returned home, invited her out to dinner like nothing happened and she accepted. Dinner was great! We returned home at 7:30. By 8:30 she was sucking my dick on the living room couch which escalated to the bedroom.
Sunday morning was met with coffee, a “Happy Father’s Day” (which I responded to by saying I’m proud to be her Daddy) and a huge comfort test by means of “If you had the opportunity to have an affair and not get caught would you do it again?” of course I said “No” and I told her that I was happy with where my life and marriage are. She went to the bedroom to cry. I apologized for my affair, and provided comfort by laying with her for about 10 minutes. What I did was fucked up and I am apologetic about it. I victimized her.
So enough of that. I knew I couldn’t just lay there, stagnant. I peeled off, did more laundry and went to the gym. When I returned, I prepared a late lunch and then fucked her again in the early afternoon. After sex, I took her to a brewery. Socialized a bit and went home to have dinner. Everything was great. After dinner at the house, I got another round of a major test about my “very perfect, never sad about anything, all rainbows, and superficial life!” and “never communicating emotions”. I was annoyed. It felt like a pre-meditated attack, so, I agreed and amplified with some amused mastery, and narcissism. It felt like the wrong move, who knows, who cares. She eventually admitted in her own words that my display of higher value causes dread which makes her act out like a child. It’s a slippery slope for me.
With what I was dealt during the week, I feel like I handled the as well I could. Although tests came and went, my boundaries were not crossed. I will admit, I get annoyed that I have to deal with shit tests and comfort tests. I need to learn to just accept that these things are just part of it so I can truly master myself. Overall, things are better in my marriage because I’m not turning these tests into full blown arguments. As far as my affair recovery... flashbacks are expected from her. These emotional flashbacks that she sought comfort for, went from hourly, to daily, weekly, monthly, and so on. It sucked!!!! They’re far and few in between these days. We are doing ok. I can’t really complain.
On a different note. I’ve noticed in prior months that my game and kino are gone after I bust a nut. All the sexual tension between us goes away. I put my efforts into not breaking game and kino and maintaining the momentum of sexual tension which helped me out in terms of getting laid by the enemy, in battle.
The bullshit tests... I guess she had a plan of her own this week. I was the only thing I could control.
I’ll leave it with a quote from the ending of Black Hawk Down...
“Hey! We started a whole new week! It’s Monday!” proceeds to go back to battle.
bluepillbandit 4y ago
You're the second mid 30s guy in this thread talking about not lifting heavier to try and protect his joints. I'm over 40 now and my joints are better than ever. Even after 35 years of basketball and 20 years of martial arts. Take steps now to strenghten them as you will need all the strength you can get heading into old/er age.
What worked for me was The Athletic Truth Group. Look up kneesovertoesguy on Instagram. I kid you not my knees and ankles feel better now than they did when I was 20. It will help you with your running too.
2wo2wo3hree 4y ago
I’ve been lifting for 15 years. I’ve seen my body at 239lbs, just yoked with muscle. I’ve also done a clean cut to 187lbs. Neither of those fit my vision anymore. 200lbs will be somewhere in the middle where I can maintain a healthy body fat % and strength. I may still add weight, but not until I’m pushing 225 at a stupidly high rep range.
You are right. I’m going to need to find some sort of joint strengthening program. To be honest. I need some mobility programs too.
bluepillbandit 4y ago
I can understand your vision. Getting your joints and mobility sorted is definitely a key and I cannot recommend that group highly enough.
PillUpAss 5y ago
OYS #47
BACKGROUND: Early 40s, 6' 2" 220 lbs, 12% BF (Jackson Pollock method). 5x5: Squat 310, Dead 350, Bench 260, OHP 170. RP 2.5 years. Tween kids. Wife early 40s.
My biggest development over the past month or so is I've decided to drop plating. Plating helped me realize a few things: (1) it's fun but takes way too much time, (2) you can fall behind on your missions as a result and (3) the sex is amazing but it's actually not worth it for me. I like having my shit together and will not compromise it just to maximize my sex life. It feels good to get back to having time to manage other things and, you know what - I can fuck my wife whenever I want. It's not the same as having an early 20's sex slave - but I can make it good.
No surprise here, but it's also freed up more time for me to hang out with friends, make new friends and take my family new places. So far I like this trade off. I've been leading the wife better and our emotional connection is stronger. There are still things that need to improve between us: the sex can always get better and our world views are not entirely aligned, although they are much more compatible than in the past. MRP eventually becomes a lot like trying to red knight your wife. Eventually your frame requires it.
Some key points from my journal:
The former plate was clearly rubbing in she's fucking someone else now. I'm ashamed to admit I felt some small amount of faggotry / jealousness. I will learn from this - I shouldn't have given any fucks. The fact that I did speaks to my scarcity mindset still. My BP faggotry runs deep and subtle. It is still there in some reduced form, lurking and biding its time. I'm not sure it ever goes away completely but if there's a way to kill it, I will.
I'm back in BJJ and feeling great there. Skills have gone up while studying videos for the past few months. I rolled with guys from the masters class and held my own. My son has joined now thanks to baseball being cancelled. He was really nervous and I'm proud of him for overcoming his fear and trying it out anyway. Turns out he had a great time and wants to keep going.
I also started jamming with a buddy of mine who I used to be in a band with. Work is going well and I'm succeeding there. I've taken up jump rope to get some cardio and coordination training. I suck at it, but it's been fun to learn something new. These guys redefine the skill...
It feels good to be back on one path.
HornsOfApathy 5y ago
If you want the two worldviews aligned, yes. I have discovered this along the way. Most women are malleable for a valuable man.
Also:
If you can have a better sex life by remaining single and spinning plates, the marriage must be about more than sex
PillUpAss 5y ago
RC absolutely fucking nailed all of it in that post. It’s not just about sex because I wasn’t sustainably satisfied with my life when I was getting anything I wanted. I put a lot of value in other things I do and I’ve decided I’m not reducing my time investment in them.
The fact is I did marry because I was a beta turd happy for a sexual option as RC puts it. And I still may not stay married if I’m taking the ship where my wife cannot follow. But at the same time, an aging steak is still edible and is attainable with her - that may be sufficient in that dept for me. I also married her because I do like her a lot even post nut. Again, the ship moves forward and the plank is ready but I know now the value and necessity of plotting to only one destination at a time.
MrRed3321 5y ago
OYS #6
Stats
Mid 30s, 5'7" 142lbs, wife early 30s, married 6 years, 2 kids under 6
Squat - 155x5, OHP 95x5, Deadlift 185x2, Bench 135x5
Sidebar
Finished: MMSLP, Rational Male Reading: NMMNG, Bigger Leaner Stronger
Lifting/Health I continued to push myself. I look forward to the next workout now. I re-evaluated my dead lift form by watching some YouTube videos, looking at some of the weight lifting subs and taking videos of myself lifting. I think the pain I get is just from being weak, not having great form and having to bend over to often in life. I have been practicing my form at lower weights. I was able to pick up 185lbs twice this last week, which is double what I started at 6 months ago.
My bench and overhead press seem to be stalled at these weights right now. Some days I feel stronger than others, but haven't been able to put up the weight and complete a 5x5 routine at a higher weight for a few weeks. May need to look at other lifting programs. Just got Bigger Leaner Stronger started, looking forward to what I learn and can take away from the book.
I continued to track my calorie and protein intakes all of last week. I met or exceeded my calorie and protein intakes all 7 days.
I have a lot of improvement left, but have continued to try and put better food into my body. I can use the calories regardless, but am focusing on protein packed meals and snacks.
I was able to continue my poor streak of not completely kicking my smoking, but limiting my intake and using nicotine gum. Still a work in progress.
Parenting
Had one slip up where I lost my temper with one of the kids. I had a pretty good streak of being able to bite my tongue and calmly discipline or stop them from what they were doing without having to raise my voice. I have done better about giving them tasks if I doing yard work or a project.
Plenty of fun was had with the family over the very hot weekend. I did a great job planning a few family activities and it was a blast.
I have done better avoiding my phone while with the family. Still room for improvement, but hard to be a leader when you are looking at a screen too much.
Social
Had some family friends over for a cookout one night last week. It was nice, but they are more my wifes friends than mine. Have begun to make plans for the coming weekend with another friend from high school. Looking forward to more adventures.
Career/Finances
Not much has changed. Work continues to be very busy. Looking into career advancement is still on my radar
Relationship
For years I would not say things that bothered me for fear of upsetting my wife. I let her walk all over me in certain aspects of life. I was an ultimate pleaser and good guy. I have made it my mission to put my priorities first. That includes being talked to in a respectful manner, even if a tough discussion needs to take place. I have created boundaries and enforced them more in the last few weeks than I have in the entirety of my marriage.
A few times my wife has apologized when I have called her out on shitty behavior. A few time she has started to argue me, I caught myself start to DEER and then STFU. I have had to stop her from spewing a bunch of depressive hot garbage by changing the conversation and leading her to a more pleasant frame of mind. Still a lot of work to do, but seeing progress. Trying to create a safe positive environment for my family to thrive.
One day I get some shitty texts with a "we need to talk tonight". I joked, told her it was a date, and didn't take the bait. Come bed time she brings up that I don't let her tell me what I do wrong lately. In my mind she is telling me that she is bothered that she can't shit test me lately cause I've been maintaining a slight resemblance to a frame. I laughed and asked if she had anything to complain about right now. We joked, laughed and that was the end of it. It hasn't been brought up again, and I've held my foot on the gas.
Had a bday, made it pretty clear leading up that an enthusiastic BJ would do the trick for a present. Get some BS about " you'd be perfectly happy with BJs and lingerie for every present. what do I tell my friends I got you".
I told her that is exactly right. Those are perfect for every gift. Tell your friends whatever you want, they're not getting the presents.
Bday night comes. I go outside after kids are in bed. Start getting lingerie pics. Hasn't happened in 5+ years. Go inside. She starts blowing me. I end up pushing her limits and doing what I want. A few weeks ago she was telling me she didn't want to do degrading things like that with me. She was wet by the time i fucked her. Good times were had.
Father day comes. Get the kids to bed. She immediately starts blowing me. She is putting in some effort but I knew I could step it up and in a few minutes she had dildos in her pussy and ass and I was fucking her face. She came moaning with my cock down her throat. It's amazing what happens when you stop being a bitch and tell them what you want instead of being too scared to ask.
My bday and fathers day certainly helped set the stage, but I came to the red pill looking for this. My marriage was on the rocks. I was being a pussy and begging her to stay. Marriage counseling, whatever she wanted to do to be happy, giving her the boat and begging her to steer.
These are still all baby steps. I have been digesting the red pill material and philosophy for longer than these 6 OYS. I have put in a lot of work. I look better. I have gotten stronger. I am more dominant and decisive with work and family life. I have a vague understanding of leadership, frame and reading situations. I still have oneitis and lack any sort of abundance. I am still weak physically and mentally to where I want to be. My miniscule frame could crack at any moment. I have a lot of work to do. But the validation was pretty nice.
Goals
Enjoy summer and make memories with kids. Stop smoking. Improve bench and OHP numbers. Continue building my social circle. Continue being the oak and leader for my family everyday. Continue getting the sex and passion I want in a relationship.
king-dingaling01 4y ago
I’m close to the same age hight and weight as you and when I start to plateau on my bench I will go to dumbells for a few weeks and sometimes do them on an incline. Normally when I go back to the barbell I start going up again. Also doing more triceps helps.
MeanPhysics 4y ago
You weight 142 at 5'7". It's not 5x5 that's the problem. You need to eat more. You think you're eating enough, but you're not. Are you hitting 120-150g of protein / day? If not, you're not getting enough protein either.
MrRed3321 4y ago
3000 calories and 140-150g protein per day. Have met these levels for 2+ weeks right now. Has been a struggle to eat this much, but I am more maintaining than gaining weight at that many calories it feels like
2wo2wo3hree 5y ago
“We joked, laughed and that was the end of it. It hasn't been brought up again, and I've held my foot on the gas.”
-Highlight that conversation. It’s not over. It’s going to come back if you ease up on that pedal.
“My bday and fathers day certainly helped set the stage, but I came to the red pill looking for this.”
-Be careful with counting this as progress. You may have negotiated it which falls under an obligation for her, instead of coming from genuine desire. But hey! I’ll take it! A face fuck is a face fuck! Just be careful. It might not be as genuine as you’d like.
MrRed3321 5y ago
I'm going to try my best to keep my foot on the gas. You are right it was a negotiated obligation and was not genuine desire. I do look at it as a small step forward and work off of it. Thanks for the insight
SBIII 5y ago
So when you run out of celebrations to negotiate blow jobs with - what's your plan?
MrRed3321 4y ago
Good question. I have been getting weekly blow jobs for the entirety of my relationship. The passion and enthusiasm was not negotiated and has been lacking for awhile. End plan is to keep being the oak and leader until I am strong enough to get my needs met without a negotiation or celebration. Thanks for making me think
SBIII 4y ago
So you went from maintenance blow jobs to a negotiating a bit of effort for a few celebrations. This is what happens when one of your main goals is to "Continue getting the sex and passion I want
in a relationshipfrom my wife".Maybe you should think a bit harder.
MrRed3321 4y ago
I went from maintenance blow jobs to taking charge, pushing the limits and seeing a passion that has been gone for years. I see what you are saying and I am still in the beginning stages of building the person and life I want. I have made some small newb gains that are most likely influenced by obligations. There have definitely been negotiations in the past to attempt to get what I desire. We all know how that goes.
I left the "from my wife" part out because if my needs are not met in this relationship, I will have other options.
Thanks for the ballbusting. Ego is starting to shrink.
HornsOfApathy 4y ago
I knew that flair was appropriate u/SBIII
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HornsOfApathy 5y ago
Time to change up workouts. PHAT or PHUL 4 days is what worked for me. 6'0, 170lbs here.
You do need to build strength but also mass to lift big. 29 weeks of 5x5 is enough. Shock the muscles as Arnold would say. Those workouts have all 5 big lifts in them anyways.
bluepillbandit 4y ago
Low impact cardio won't protect your joints. It just means they're weak. Check out The Athletic Truth Group or kneesovertoesguy on Instagram. I'm over 40 with 35 years of basketball and 20 of martial arts and my knees have never been better. You need to keep strengthening these joints to the point that you can play anything without hurting them.
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bluepillbandit 4y ago
He has a paid service but gives a ton of info away for free. If you want to plug his knee stuff into another program I would suggest paying for one month and getting as much info as you can.
NowEntertheArena 5y ago
OYS -2 Age-39 married/ltr 19 years. 3 kids.
Body Weight - I had not been weighing and u/johneyapocalypse called me out. The SS coach I had said just use a tape to measure my belly. If it stays the same or drops and lifts continue to climb that’s a good thing and enough. But I wasn’t doing that either. Now I am. Waist - 40 inches at belly button. I don’t have a big concern about my weight at the moment. I just want to lift heavier things and eat plenty of good food/protein. I don’t see myself wanting to cut until I’m DL’ing over 350lbs and Squatting near 300lbs as well... ... after writing and reflecting on this for a day I can see I'm just lazy to not want to count my macros/calories.
Reading- Book of Pook, TRM, 48 laws of power, SGM, watching Jordan Peterson vids.
Health- Pulled my back squatting. Skipped Squat and DL for three days. Dropped weights on Bench down to 5x5 @ 165 and OHP 5x5 @ 75 and increased the number of reps. Threw in a couple 3x10 curls, tri extensions and extra pullups. I’ve hurt my back twice squatting because I’m not flexible enough. Will own that. Increasing my stretching goals to 20 min daily.
Family- I did much better this week about being present and ignoring phone/computer when with kids. Rarely raised voice and focused on speaking out of my chest and throat instead of nasally. I tried to set clear boundaries and consequences.
I’m trying to form a better view of masculinity for myself to model for my sons. Since it’s all in my head at the moment, I’m mainly focused on setting boundaries that are enforced with clear consequences, not with guilt and shame.
I’m saying yes or no clearly when they ask for my time and attention instead of “Maybe in a few minutes/not right now/maybe later”
Relationship - I’ve stopped 95% of the porn and the masurbation habits since reading this forum. It has highly increased my desire for sex. Since last OYS we have had sex 3 times. First was awesome. I’ve been unsure of my strategies on initiation because I am self conscious and feared rejection. I understood that is living in her frame. I didn’t like the idea of having my wife be a rape victim either since she has zero desire for me sexually. She is obviously not attracted to me at all. My fault completely.
Good news though, after 4 or 5 days of no sex and no attemtps of initation I did initiate with complete abandon after a fun family day. Took her and never asked permission or checked with her mood or anything and bent her over the bathroom sink(which she claims to hate doing) and fucked her fast. We jumped in the shower afterwards and she was as pleased as she could be about the whole thing. Even giddy. I know why. I get it. I cant believe the redpill stuff is so true but it keeps playing itself out over and over. Without any hesitation and completely because I wanted to, without any thought for her, I initiated and took what I wanted and she thought it was great. I swear though, if I have any hesitation it doesn’t go as well. A few days later I do the same thing mid morning, but I’m much more in my head, and her frame, and worried about her response. She goes along with it but doesn’t kiss me or make eye contact during or afterwards. BUT, 15 minutes later she is fine and in a good mood.
Third time I initiate about the same confidence level as round 2 and i get the same result. Starfish, won’t look me in the eye, can’t wait for it to be over, won’t kiss me afterwards. But, again, afterwards she is happy and opens up talking about herself and some fears and goals she has for her work.
The first two times I didn’t even try to get her off. This was a first for me. In our entire history it’s been this source of pride that I can give her an orgasm every time. But it’s been all about her frame I realize. Like it’s me thinking if I can do that I deserve sex. That somehow that makes me a good lover and she is the one with the problem for not being enthusiastic. Ha. I realized she would be enthusiastic for Brad Pitt/aka any alpha she was attracted to. Previously, I’ve always felt like if I want something for me, I need to make sure she gets an orgasm as well. It’s what everyone says in the current culture outside RP. “She Comes First” etc. But it’s always been starfish. So for me to do what I wanted without needing to validate my desires was a first step for me. Otherwise in daily life, just STFU for the most part and it’s working great. I can’t believe how much I used to DEER. Not trying any AA or fogging much. Just smile and STFU and continue doing whatever I was doing. Following each of the first couple sex sessions she made several little jabs at me, but I just smiled and stfu and nothing else was said. This is by far the easiest part so far.
Not a leader yet. Don’t have a direction. She still can’t trust me to be captain.
Speech- I've recognized that I speak nasally, high, tensed, high throated instead of a relaxed low throat/relaxed vocals/chest voice. It's all part of being a nice guy and not making anyone uncomfortable. I'm using meditation to help me stay present and remind me to speak like a man.
Mental- Just blown away by how many truths are recognized by RP theory . I’m reading Book of Pook and it describes me to a T. They all do. I didn’t know any of this stuff before coming here and/or thought RP ideas were bad. Heh. I’m seeing the world through RP lens and it’s a bit depressing, invigorating, mindblowing, exhilarating, saddening, up an down roller coaster ride.
Mission - johneyapocalypse called me out and told me I was ambiguous. That’s true. My goals were not measurable. I don’t know what my mission is. Reading the sidebar for now. Lifting. STFU.
Goals- Stretch 20 mins a day.
Continue higher rep low weights while back heals and then go back to adding 5lbs to each lift until I fail at 3x5 Read 30 min a day of sidebar material Initiate when I want sex. Be willing to face rejection or starfish Journal daily for 10 min with a focus on a vision for myself.
rotkohlblaukraut 5y ago
Slippery slope. I went all-in on powerlifter mode the first couple years after I started, and yeah, I could deadlift 455, but still felt like I had to suck in my gut getting out of the shower in front of the wife. Not exactly the end goal I wanted, and built a lot of bad eating habits too.
HornsOfApathy 5y ago
He is fat. Lets just call it as we see it. He is making excuses.
threekindsoflucky 5y ago
Rule 9
2wo2wo3hree 5y ago
“Waist - 40 inches at belly button. I don’t have a big concern about my weight at the moment. I don’t see myself wanting to cut until I’m DL’ing over 350lbs and Squatting near 300lbs as well”
-This is a fucking bullshit ass excuse you’re telling yourself, Faggy! You don’t need a 40 inch waste to make those lifts. Stop being a fat lazy faggot. You love food too much.
“ won’t look me in the eye”
-why are you so fixated with this? She probably won’t look at you because you’re being a weirdo just staring at her with your sex face. Whatever the reason is. Leave it alone.
“ I've recognized that I speak nasally, high, tensed, high throated instead of a relaxed low throat/relaxed vocals/chest voice.”
-it’s been reported by nofap people that their voices got deeper after a certain period of not masturbating. Put your dick down, man.
Memories_Of_Ice 5y ago
OYS #6
35 yr old, 6'0, 170, 18% BF. Married 3, together 8, 3 kids (7 mo, 3 yr, 11 yr).
Read NMMNG, MMSLP, WISNIFG, Pook, 16 C. Reading Rational Male.
Lifts: there are 2 gyms in my area. I was talking with one and he charges $100 A WEEK, no thanks. The other one can only have 25% capacity so there are people lined up outside every time I drive by it. I'm very close to draining my savings and spending a couple grand on a home gym. It's sad that the hardest part of doing so would be justifying it to my wife - I have a lot of unfaggoting to do still.
Frame
This has been my weakest area, but dammit if I didn't make some improvements this week. My insecure ass looked at my wife's phone when she was sleeping, and saw that one of the guys that I called her out on is still messaging her on FB messenger (he initiated). Still just benign stuff, a video of his kid and talk about his wife's job, but I don't trust this guy. He's a church youth leader, former coast guard, just looks too good to be true (though he is a little fat). I would say there's a 10% chance him and my wife hooked up, 90% chance he's a beta orbiter. Part of me thinks she'd be smart enough to delete the convo entirely if there was anything to worry about, so that's why I put the cheat number so low.
Anyways I saw the conversation Sunday Night/Monday AM, but I pretended like I hadn't seen it, despite wanting to scream inside. I held it together enough to have a good night last night. I ignored her texts for the second half of the day and pretended nothing had happened when she got home. She asked me why I was so 'hot and cold' lately, which I fogged my way through, so that was good - she is wondering. Also one of the stupidest dread builders possible is my Ring doorbell - she gets an alert every time there's motion at the front door, and I think a part of her thinks I'm having chicks over to fuck while I WFH and she's out at work. I don't dissuade her from thinking that - I AA every time she asks.
Sex - once on Saturday night. We were in bed, I pressed up against her and she pressed back. I said let's fuck and she said ok but we have to be very quiet (11 yr old step daughter was with us this week, and she was awake in the next room). I will initiate more this week since my youngest 2 sleep through everything.
Medical - I had my physical yesterday, testosterone test taken and results pending EDIT fucking 196, I knew it. Time to get on TRT. I got a referral for a vasectomy, which I am thinking about having. My wife hates taking BC and I got her pregnant immediately both times we tried, and I'm fairly certain I'm done having kids. I'm just going to have to make peace with not having a son, which I have pretty much already done. Last night at dinner she told me she would have sex with me a lot more often if I got a vasectomy, and that she's afraid of getting pregnant even from my pre-cum since I have "super sperm". I'm not sure I believe her on that, I think being attractive is still the main driver there, but if it's an added bonus to not having to worry about any more kids then I'll take it. We pull out now and I cum on her tits or ass. I'm not attractive enough to blow all over her face like I used to, that's a goal of mine (along with getting her to swallow like she used to).
Work - I quit being a pussy and fucking crushed this last week. The stay plan is the same as the go plan at work as well, so I gave it my all and tackled tasks I've been putting off. Pushed back on some "no's" and ended up getting answers I wanted. Got assigned a huge new project to push through. I mean my boss put on my annual review, "when these goals are met, M_O_I will be ready for a new role with greater responsibilities if he wants it", so it's right there in front of me, I just have to push through it. I was actually surprised at how energizing it was to give full, 110% effort - I thought it would drain me but it did the opposite.
My goal has moved from "get promoted" to "be promotable".
That being said, I did just apply for a job with a competitor last night. This role sounds like a full time job doing what I spend 30% of my time doing now, so I'm really excited to see what happens. I know this new role would pay more as well, and it involves SQL so I'm glad I've been studying that at codeacademy every night.
Previous goals:
Find my mission - partially pass? I don't have anything concrete yet but I just have the mindset now that I want to be the best man I can be, someone who gets his shit done and has his shit together. Someone that people point to and say "there's a man".
I have to start work now but will add more goals for this upcoming week when I'm done.
weakandsensitive 4y ago
Rule 9
Vegasman20002 5y ago
196 Testosterone? Wow man get on that and do not take no for an answer.
If you made a boundary with the FB guy and it is being crossed, you need to act, man. If not, STFU but keep eyes peeled
Memories_Of_Ice 4y ago
Thanks man, just messaged my doctor asking for an rx. I want injectable so I don't accidentally give any hormones to my kids, plus it seems to work better from what I've read.
I am not sure how to approach FB guy. If it's truly an orbiter then I look insecure and weak (which I am didn't, but I didn't let it show at least when it last came up). If it's an actual threat then I should just kick her out for an affair. Even an emotional affair counts in my book. I'll probably trust but verify but if anyone has any advice on how to enforce this boundary I'd appreciate it. Not to be dense I just don't know what to say.
Also sure already broke her biggest boundary with me by starting smoking again after our most recent baby, which I told her I'd leave her if she every did, so I've got a pretty bad precedent set. Need to unfuck myself much more, obviously. The damage might already be done with her and I'm honestly fine with that, but not yet losing my kids full time. I know I can do better. But would like the practice with her as a live-in shit test, at the least.
Vegasman20002 4y ago
Here is what I would do. You need to start the "go plan" in your mind, on the down low. Get your T in order, lifting etc. And STFU about it. If she comes around, great, if not go.
As you improve yourself see what happens; maybe she ignores you for the obvious reasons (shitty captain) and will start respecting your boundaries. You are going to improve yourself for you, not for her, and be ready to leave when the time comes. And if it never comes because she comes around to follow your lead instead of shitting on you, then you have a decision to make.
But with T that low, that is job one.
Deathmetal_deadlifts 4y ago
OYS #39
Stats: 40 yo, height 186 cm, weight 85 kg, bodyfat 16% navy method, wife 39 yo, living together for 13 years, married for 8. Kids are 3 (girl) and 6 (boy).
Lifting stats (heaviest weight at the last workout): BP 87.5 kg x6, SQ 90 kg x8, DL 120 kg x6
Readings:
Sidebar books read: MMSLP, NMMNGx2, WISNIFG, RM, TWOTSM, MAP, Saving a low sex marriage, Bigger Leaner Stronger, Pook, SGM
Books read that are not on the sidebar: Bigger Leaner Stronger, Leangains, Kettlebell Simple and Sinister, The Quick and the Dead, Fuccfiles
Now reading: Day Bang, Unfuck yourself
Reading queue: 48LOP
Shit to own
Personal finance: Bought the cheap car, will use the rest of the money to repay some debt. It’s a fun car to drive too. I bought it on Thursday and on Friday I used it to drive my direct boss to the place in the mountains where we had our annual summer weekend thing with the managers in our division.
Family: I’m planning a trip with my son, just the two of us. The wife was initially like oh you’re going to leave me alone with the daughter you bastard.
Health: It seems I have e coli in the ejaculate, which is causing the enlarged prostate and may be the reason for not lasting long enough in bed. The appointment with the urologist is on Monday.
Style: So I called the lady who gave me my colors and style guide (winter colors, classic/playful style) and will be shopping for new glasses next week. This will be the most noticeable change and I want to do it right.
Goals for end of June:
• Get back to 15% BF or below <-- more or less done, the 16% is temporary after the weekend with co-workers
• start Day Bang and try out stuff on the wife <-- OK, so I learned about the opener and the elderly chat. I’m chatting about cars and laptops at work
• re-start the weekly business trips and social life <-- started with the weekend getaway. Covid restrictions are coming back though, so I might have to dial it down
• start the new wardrobe (before the lockdown I went for a consultation and already have my style guide in terms of fit and colors, now is just time to execute) but stay within budget. No buying on credit card. <-- starting this weekend.
Mission/ long-term stuff
• Stop giving a fuck what others think, switch to internal validation
• Become a high energy charismatic guy. Prioritize my career and be successful in my current role, which is essentially running a business within the company
• Help my kids grow confident and strong, so that they make the big life decisions driven by ambition as opposed to driven by fear
Vonfahtz 5y ago
OYS #4
OYS #1 TL;DR - Victim pukeOYS#2 TL;DR - Victim pukeOYS #3 TL;DR - Progress, still a 'Faggot'
At a glance
6'2, 205 lbs, 30 yrs, LTR 28, \~3 years, no kids, live together
Estimated 1RM (COVID) - BP 225(up), OHP 160(up), Squat 315 (down), DL ??(no DL's performed lately) Run 10k under 40min 6'2, BF is about 14-16%. Reasonably intelligent. Shit is generally together. Penultimate nice guy. Lacking mindfulness. Slow learner, quick to forget in this domain. Too passive. Disorganized. Prone to reflexive butt-hurt. Social circle doesn't serve.
Read the sidebar. Internalized little. Re-reading.
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Physical
Readjusted to life without a gym to go to. Gyms will re-open soon, though. So will team sports. Back on the path. Mobility is holding me back, but I've got a close friend who's a fucking guru that I work out with. He showed me this mobility regimen. Unless you have your form on lockdown**,** that video will help you immensely. Its a game changer, do it daily.
Rising in the gym, sliding down in the kitchen. I'm a pescatarian, so planning and meal prep must be on point or else my gains wither away. Slacked off a bit this week.
Mental
Continuing on the road to mental clarity. Completion of my degree resumes online in August. Daily routine is improving, but I need to eliminate all distractions before then. I'm working the problem of my own mental shortcomings. It stems from an 'autopilot' that is fucking detrimental, as my baseline habits tend to default to 'comfort-seeking' shit like gaming, T.V. or the endless scroll. Zeroing in your own blind-spots is tricky when your attention span is shit. OYS posts are a great start, but I need to step up the rate of progress.
If anyone could offer feedback on getting to that level of organization where the next year+ of my life is laid out for me, to the day, and specifically, where to start, I'd be grateful. My approach will be to simply get a fucking grip on my next 30 days, then the next 90, and so forth.
Bottom line: Clarity is a resource. Lacking it in many areas.
Career
Not happy in my current position. It's a toxic work environment, and the team I am a part of isn't motivated to make a needed course-alteration. I count myself in that group, unfortunately. It's difficult to know where to go, as the owner of this small business lacks the ability to plan much of anything, as they are currently underwater with their duties and burnt out. Lots of entitled workers, who fuck the dog habitually.
The start of last year, I made a concentrated effort to 'lead up the chain', take initiative, all that... but failed. It's likely time to make steps to change jobs. Tough in this environment, especially my city, which is currently dog shit for employment. Hence the online school and steps to pivot.
Bottom line: I need to surround myself with better people.
Relationship
I've been asserting and enforcing boundaries. It's caused the drama in the relationship to increase significantly, and yet, to the surprise of no veterans here, we're fucking like crazy at the moment. My guiding-star red pilled vet, /u/jacktenofhearts predicted my relationship nearly perfectly in his second classification of drunk captains.
I do not feel guilty for causing a conflict or impasse any longer. That's not to say there isn't room for me to communicate non-violently, as that is what I see to be the crux of WISNIFG methodology. My girl has a 6th sense for butthurt, and I am grateful for it. It's a matter of having the awareness all times. The delicate parts of my ego have to fucking go. They like to come up when I'm caught lacking awareness.
The next 3-4 weeks will be pivotal, as her cycle is quite pronounced and PMDD is a very honest measuring stick. If I can't handle it, I probably need to get off Hard Mode for a bit. For once I'm optimistic that we can get out of our toxic loops, but if I can't handle her shit, we're doomed.
We're up to some fun shit during that time, but as I've seen, fun doesn't count for shit if her feelz are out of whack at the same time I'm prone to butt-hurt, no matter the environment.
Bottom line: Hamster is off the wheel. Keep it off. Still royal blue at my core.
Vegasman20002 5y ago
Look up the definition of "penultimate"
Vonfahtz 5y ago
Lol yep, been using it wrong.
ragnar_114 5y ago
OYS2 (previous)
Me: Age 34, height 6', weight 180 lbs, 13.5% bf
STBXW: Age 32, married 3 years, together 8, no kids, separated
Lifts (pre-covid19): SL5x5 lbs SQ 245, DL 300, BN 195, RW 155, OP 115
Read: NMMNG, WISNIFG, MMSLP, TRM, TWOTSM, POON, POOK, BLS, MAP, MM(50%), 12RFL (10%)
Purpose: 1) Be the best version of myself. 2) Find meaning in my life.
Mental/Physical
Things are getting more stable as I work through unfucking my life. Still having some trouble sleeping at times, wake up in middle of the night, racing thoughts, anxiety. Considering starting up therapy again weekly or bi-weekly. Need to be more deliberate with setting up time to meditate, journal, and yoga. Made progress on Manipulated Man book which kinda has similar concepts from TRM but with a strong negative focus on women (written by a woman too), I plan on finishing it this week. Need to sleep earlier and wake up earlier to be more optimal. Considering doing some personality tests to better understand my strengths and weaknesses.
Worked out 6 days this week using home gym equipment based on a plan I put together from BLS. Continue to build up my basic home gym while waiting for gyms to reopen. I want to mix in some additional cardio workouts like boxing, tennis, and running, will do something this week. Also need to do some PT for ankle/shoulder pain, I have workouts set up for this and just need to start doing it once a week. May reach out to a PT buddy of mine for advice. Working on reaching 13.0% bf which I am confident that I can do. I know I'll end up losing a few lbs of muscle though but I will aim get there first and then do a clean bulk cycle after to stay above 180.
Career/Finances
Not much updates on the job front, continue along with applications, interviews, etc. Need to work on projecting confidence, for me, this comes from competency and abundance. Keeping schedule helps with making progress and being productive. I have a backup plan with another company in case I don't find something better in the next few weeks.
Looking at other sources of income through side hustles, rental property, business consulting, podcast, etc. My ideas are all over the place and I need to organize them and put a plan of action in place to execute one. Failing is better than never trying.
Relationship
Keeping NC with STBXW. I am having difficulties at times to stop the spiral of shit feelings, missing her, loneliness but I know I need to stay strong, tie up loose ends, and move on.
Social
Noticed someone in a social group consistently trying to put me down. This irritates me and I realize I have a pretty weak frame where I am emotionally reacting way too much during and after the interactions. This guy throws digs, shit tests, tries to dominate, I use this as practice for not DEERING, AA, AM, and neg inquiry but at times I feel I need to fight back against the disrespect. I won't be investing too much time into this negative energy draining "friend" unless he fixes his shit attitude.
Had a good virtual chat and drinks with a buddy of mine, we talk about stocks, economy, investments. Always a good dude to bounce ideas off of, talk some shit, trying to make some plans to meet up soon.
Another one of my buddies is a full-time real estate investor. I mentioned last week that I would sync up with him and I did. Had a phone call, went over some investment basics, where to look, who to talk to, some risks to be aware of. Good dude and super helpful.
I decided to visit my folks this weekend for father's day which was about 2 hours out of city, always good to catch up with them since I hadn't seen them in person for months now with covid. I spent the weekend with them but missed out on a social event with another one of my groups. I realize I need to plan better and prioritize social events for my own benefit and growth.
Chatted up and teased a couple girls from my social groups, it was fun and playful. I need to brush up on my game which has gotten pretty weak since after getting married/separated. I used to have a general rule to not hook up with girls in a friends group since it makes things complicated (though there were one or two situations in the past where it happened). Now being older, not sure it matters as much anymore. Long way to go on this...
RedBackedBadger 5y ago
OYS 26: Mid 30’s, 6’ 186lb, BF? Will get it tested when able, Separated, one kid 3yrs (f)
Week Goals
Next week I will have reviewed WISNIFG techniques and printed a summary.
Reading: MMSLP, MAP, Side Bar, Unchained male, models, The Eagle and the Dragon, WOTSM, WISNIFG, The dating playbook for men, The subtle art of not giving a fuck, The Rational Male, Awareness, NMMNG(x2), Meditation Book (40%), sex god method (80%), Pook 6%.
Physical: Be strong, fit, powerful and injury free into old age.
Separation:
Ex seems to have let go of her anger at me and it’s replaced with sadness. I don’t like the following about myself and I’m only able to acknowledge it by adopting EasyDaysHardNights curiosity mindset, something about the sadness ‘triggers’ me. It makes me want to get back together. She said she lost her ‘best friend’ and as BP as it sounds, I feel that way too. The truth is I still want the life we had planned and I don’t know how to let go of that. I’m finding other things shallow and meaningless in comparison. Also, as I see more and more what a faggot I was in the relationship and still am, I can’t help but think it could be different if I was just less of that. While ‘noticing’ this, I tried to be curious and just see it all as an experiment. The things I learned were:
Where there is bullshit I try and be amused by the tantrum, as Tyred_Biggums said, play the long game with 100% mindfulness you’re doing it. This week though, the bullshit has been in my own mind.
weakandsensitive pointed out my dis-empowering mental model last week. I was still running on fear from when my ex did take me to court and I’m trying to let that go and act authentically in the moment (while keeping the long game in mind)
I realized I had been fucking up WISNIFG and basically DEERing even when telling myself I wasn’t. I properly applied broken record and it completely shifted the dynamic. I have twice now said I was going to ‘practice WISNIFG’ and fucked around not doing it. This week I put it on the top of my OYS to keep myself accountable.
Mental/Mindset: Express myself authentically.
I’m struggling to let go of some of the BP fantasy, I want there to be someone special etc. I have looked at this but am not making any tangible progress. For now I’m putting it aside and focusing on the things that are working for me, developing abundance, OI, frame, my goals, self-worth (an issue for me) etc. I read AlohaMaui808 last few OYS + comments but have not spent the time to properly think about these.
Mood/energy/drive/motivation: I am now quite sure there is a physical component to this (although I also think the mental side is a big part). When I’m ‘good’ I feel clear headed, low anxiety, a sense of wellbeing/optimism and a drive to complete tasks. When I feel ‘bad’ I feel foggy, overwhelmed, like crying at the thought of doing anything, no hope etc. I have changed the tcream protocol and that seems to have improved things. Still, a significant drop from when I first started and I will continue to monitor this and change if needed. Throughout there is often a sense of apathy, just not excited about things which is making it hard to figure out what I actually want.
I’m really paying attention to myself with girls. There is a lot of validation both in my general interactions and entangled with sex. After reading Sex God Method, I’m really lacking immersion, I find myself thinking about all sorts of things during sex. I was going down on this girl and just thinking how hot her pussy was and I was hard. Then I though I’ll put a condom on, on no what if I get soft etc and then I get a rush of fear/adrenalin and down it goes. I’m not sure how to actually address this or if I actually want to focus on it right now but for now I’m working on my self-worth, and immersion. In general I have been watching myself feel the urge to msg them, or get some emotional salve from them etc and just letting it go.
2wo2wo3hree 5y ago
Where the fuck are your lifts? You talk like you don’t lift! If you do lift... you talk like you stop about 5 reps short of failure because you are so afraid of the barbell.
You’re separated from your ex but here you are writing about her. She’s not even your wife! Wait, ah! Are you thinking about digging your Dead Puppy out of its grave to play with it? You want to, don’t you!?
You also talk about yourself from a place of disadvantage. Pump that chest out man. Broaden those shoulders. It’s great that you’re thinking! But you are way too deep in your head.
Your TL;DR - I miss my ex. I didn’t do anything this week but think.
PillUpAss 4y ago
OP, I’ll add that getting your BF tested has been in your OYS for quite a while. How hard is that to do? Calipers are $10 on Amazon and websites to do a somewhat accurate calc are free. That’s some LARPIng shit or you know your BF and aren’t sharing..
RedBackedBadger 4y ago
It's half LARPing and half that I'm not that concerned with it. BF is not a big issue for me, I'm quite happy with how I look with my shirt off, I have abs and would be in the top 5-10% of people I see at the pool (or did when it was open). Recently saw a new girl and when I took my shirt off she said 'holy shit, you're huge'... I'm only 185lb so not huge but when you're not fat it looks good. But to address the 50% that is LARPing - just ordered some.
Strangely enough, you saying I'm LARPing at this made me realize some things I am LARPing on so I'll get to work on them.
PillUpAss 4y ago
Good. That’s why we are here, to call each other LARPIng faggots when necessary.
RedBackedBadger 4y ago
Currently I'm focusing on fixing a few injury's (which seems to be going well). So I reduced my lifts and am stopping short of failure. Currently:
Yes that's exactly what I'm thinking, she want's to get back together and has for a while. I think there are two bits which get me, one is when she is 'sad' I get all gay and think of the good times, how much I miss her, how I would make it work this time etc and the other is that we had a plan we were working towards which was something I really wanted to do. I'm trying to replace this with another mission/goal but it's just not coming to me at the moment, I probably just need to give it time, and to properly let go of the past so that I can embrace whats next.
An ongoing issue for me, low self worth and all that. I will step up the meditation.
This is the bit I most need to think about. I use OYS to mostly own my mental shit as that's where I struggle most but sometimes I forget that making physical changes is often a 'way in'. This week I:
Blarg_Risen 4y ago
Meditation will help you come to terms with the "why" and and accept the feelings you have. It reduces the need for ego to soften and morph the impact of the world on you.
But it won't fix those feelings. Killing the other side, becoming ok with expressing your true self to the world, comes when you unapologetically do the things that bring you feelings of worth.
RedBackedBadger 4y ago
This is key for me, I'm working on it but I'm struggling to see past all my mental bullshit to know what actually does bring me feelings of worth etc. Still, making steady progress here.
Cam_Winston21 4y ago
FWIW from someone who has been lifting for > 20 years: never go to failure. When you use forced reps (failure), your form will get worse & the risk of injury goes up. Volume will overload the muscle while reducing the risk.
At 53, my joints are thankful that several years ago I finally read a few pros talk about not going to failure and I followed their advice.
I always try to leave one rep in the tank. Now, I'm able to actually do more volume via more sets since I didn't fatigue the high threshold motor units quickly. Muscles grow from more volume, not lifting a heavy weight for 4 reps.
RedBackedBadger 4y ago
What do you think of two sets of 5 then one to failure on upper body lifts? E.g. the other day I did bench, 190*5,5,9 - I probably had one shitty quality rep after 9.
Cam_Winston21 4y ago
First, forgive me if I'm assuming, but your gains are going to suck if you're only doing 3 sets of pec work, or any compound exercise.
Second, to answer your question without trying to be wishy-washy, it depends upon your goals. If they're strictly strength, then lower rep programs with max weight will be best. If it's muscle gains, then volume is the key, which means set aside the ego and hammer out some volume.
If you're doing 190 for around 7 reps, load up 170 & knock out 4-5 sets of 8-12, then throw in some accessory work for the pecs (incline dumbbells or flyes or whatever, need more volume). 60 rests between sets will probably make the workout shorter despite more volume because guys trying to lift heavy usually have 2-3 minutes between sets so they can push up heavier weight. Do the math, 5 sets of 170x10 > 3 sets of 190x7, your muscles did more volume.
If you're intent on getting in some low-rep/high-weight sets, GZCL or 5/3/1 are good guides for some sort of routine that has that at the beginning of the workouts then higher volume later on.
If your goals are strength, then 5x5 is a good routine as a guide, as are many of the Madcow or SL variations.
I'm 53, 6'6", 240 lbs. I don't bench, I don't go to failure and I don't do cardio. 35 year old me did and had sore joints, shoulder pain, less efficient results & consistently fought fatigue.
Best of luck in whatever your goals are. Get over the injury, first and foremost.
RedBackedBadger 4y ago
Thanks for the reply, I appreciate the info. Rehab is priority for now then I need to pull my finger out and decide on one goal and go after it.
Octellius 4y ago
I'll second 5/3/1.
Bench, Squat, Dead, OHP. 4 days a week, each day has strong focus on that main lift. I use BBB sets after the main, so I do 11 sets of that main movement. Assistance lifts are up to you, but generally compound on the main lift. I do pullovers on bench day. I do farmers carry on both lower leg days. OHP is do dips. I probably need to add pulling movement back in later on.
It'll work slow. You only have one set in the day when you actually push yourself, but not to failure. Each set is progressively higher from 1 to 6, where you push yourself all out. The first set is at about 40% of your max, with each further set progressing to the daily maximum. Then 5 sets at 60-70% of your maximum. Each month has a higher high and a slow progression over the weeks to that high. The chance of blowing yourself up because you are in a bad mood and 'need some win' is low.What seems to work for me is that spike to 'almost failure' which signals mTOR then volume of 5 BBB sets to drive the message home.
There is no rush to increase weights, the plan is preformed, mine is out over 12 months. You set the monthly increment at inception which guide the progression at the speed you want. Usually 5lb upper body and 10lb lower per month.Also if you get busy, you just do the warmup + mains and finish. I finish my main usually about 20 mins in.
I also use a dynamic stretch system similar to Agile8 and include lots of ball rolling to break up cramping that would otherwise hold me back.
NOTE : There is a lot fo math in 5/3/1. Some use spreadsheets. I use an android app : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sarasoft.es.fivethreeonebasic&hl=en\_AU and it does everything I want.
HTH
RedBackedBadger 4y ago
Thanks, I decided to go with GZCL this time. Which from what I can tell is based on 5/3/1. The BBB 5/3/1 variant looks solid, probably what I’ll do next.
Looks like a fair bit of volume, how long do the workouts take you?
Octellius 4y ago
1hour, 5mins average, including about 10 mins of ball rolling and stretching. Timing is heavily dependent on rest interval. To get a good idea of 5/3/1 everyone will say buy the book, I did, but the articles on tnation are just as good as Jim spilled 90% of the beans there. Best of luck!
ImpatientZen 4y ago
OYS #540, 6’0 196lbs (+1 from last week), 14%BF (no change) Wife 40yo SAHM Latina. Married 15 years, 1 son 6yo.
OYS 101Lifts (2RM’s): SQ340, BP257,5 PR170(-8), DL445.Read: 2nd run through done MMSLP+MAP. Currently TWOTSM and WISNIFG.STFU: Meh.
Things I have done well:Social, leading, alcohol, hygiene, meditation etc. etc. are all going really well actually. Had a lot of fun this week, including a party where I had a fun discussion with a few younger women about feminism. They were on the same page as I but said that if they ever said this in their group of friends they would be ostracized. World is a fucked up place. Also had fun times with the kid.
Diet and trainingThis has been going super well, but hit a snag this week. This tends to happen once I get below 15% Navy Method BF and/or after about 8 weeks of cutting. Weightloss reversed this week (water retention perhaps). I will take a two week break around maintenance and then get after it again, though it may be difficult as holidays are coming up.
Gym performance is affected a bit too, having otherwise been fine. I am at the tail end of a 12 week block and have a deload coming up, so this might factor in. Mostly upper body and top end strength affected as usual during cuts. Just dialed the poundage down about 5% on bench/press to something manageable and got the work in, no biggie. I did manage some volume work with squats at 320 for 5’s without issue, which - sadly - is the most I’ve done in years. Also finally got 445 on deads for all my sets of 2’s (I do this accumulation thing) so hopefully heavier once next cycle gets ramped up.
This is boring, I know, but important for my accountability. Being consistently around 12% Navy Method BF is a goal and has been hard for me in the past. I want to get there. I feel and perform better at that level (as does everyone I guess). So having strangers on the internet ridicule me if I descend into donuts and pizza might help?
Work and sexTwo areas where I have to admit that overthinking and under-acting is getting in my way. Sex is on-demand which is nice. But quality is lacking. I need to just enjoy myself more and then what happens happens. I am too good at being in my head, not doing enough in the real world. I talk dirty during yet still hold back.
Work is somewhat the same. Things are going well, and I am trying to push the envelope. Simultaneously I feel somewhat anxious. Like I am behind, not doing enough. I am not as on top as I would like. Less stressing about it and more actually doing shit would help.
MindsetI got some really good feedback to my whining and bitching last OYS. As much as I hate to post that shit, it gives me helpful feedback when I take it out of my head and put it in a post, knowing full well I am being a bitch.
The guys were even generous enough to point my dense ass in the right direction for further reading. It’s amazing. I had read those posts before. I really had. Parts of them several times. But I hadn’t READ them. I don’t know what it is about posting here and then reading that just helps me get it through my thick skull a bit better. Very grateful for the feedback in here.
I am still processing but a few things stand out already. The post about validation showed me through analyses and examples how very common my situation is, and how BS my thinking is. And the post about your woman being your creation made me consider how I have this ego-based idea that by walking away, I can get a much better woman/life. This is a narcissistic and childish fantasy. I create my life. As Horns said - given time, any woman will see through the smokes and mirrors to the shit behind it I have yet to even see myself much less own and deal with. The obstacle is the way.
Resentment is my nemesis as MITW pointed out, so I reread the old post on boundaries. As Horns pointed out earlier, I am the king pointing to his big horse and shiny sword before he gets fucked by the assassins.
So. I need to nut the fuck up and enforce some boundaries. Yet also not choose random idiotic things that I don't actually care about.
I had a fairly big epiphany this week. I realised what “LARPing” means. I never really got it - but doing it myself made it very clear. Concretely I used AA/AM on “shitty comfort” which sucked.. It isn’t congruent, feels forced. Fogging and just cutting through the bullshit would’ve been much more authentic. I love AA/AM for smaller things. But this one I didn’t find funny and I actually wanted to get through it to understand what she was trying to say. I did spend a bit of time being butthurt about the situation afterwards and had the timing been different I would definitely have done another of my usual bitchy posts. I did get it eventually though. And got back to listening to TWOTSM, reminding myself that her tests are a gift and that I can give back by embracing them - not LARPing. This is much closer to who I am.
In honesty this hasn’t stopped me from having the same old thoughts of divorcing and starting a different life. It has, however, made it abundantly clear that she still has plenty to teach me.
Just found This post which couldve been written for me, considering the above.
HornsOfApathy 4y ago
I'm going to take a stab at this.
I think your desire to nuke it is obviously premature and you know this as well. You outlined the reasons why you know its faggot thinking.
You're internally competing with two powerful masculine forces: the great masculine desire for breaking through everything and into freedom and, what your mental model is telling you is that it is incongruent with the other powerful masculine desire for challenge.
So when some men come here they think they should blow it all up like Rambo because that will give them both the freedom away from their shitty wives (who's fault is that?) and present a new challenge of building a new life the way they think they deserve.
All ego.
I have written about it extensively before... but how might you change those mental models to incorporate both challenge and freedom?
You can have both.
ImpatientZen 4y ago
Really appreciated this.I spent a few days pondering it. And then lost a reply as well. I am not there yet in terms of processing. But it ties into the other comments. This bit from TWOTSM resonates a lot right now.
HornsOfApathy 4y ago
Yep. Its all in the sidebar. All I'm doing is pointing out the important parts of the sidebar that pertain to your situation and challenges and reframing them in a way that is applicable.
Thats really all us vets do here. Consider us scholars of how we have applied the material and seen the results through actions of those readings.
We aren't special either.
Just so happens I've probably read TWOTSM over 40 times and applied it here.
ImpatientZen 4y ago
That's how it feels, too. And I must say that it works. I "read" it all before. Both posts and sidebar. Yet when you get slapped around a bit, or - as here - gently nudged towards it, it is just processed differently. At least by me. I guess this is unsurprising and quite a normal way of learning.
I have a feeling I might eventually get to as many reads of TWOTSM as you. It really resonates with me and where I want to go, given my background in Zen, meditation etc.
Of course as you say APPLICATION is what actually makes a difference. Actually invade the moment, as also Johnny and Cabbage have tried to tell me (or at least that's what I got from it). DO more. So that's what I am aiming for.
rotkohlblaukraut 4y ago
Your OYS header (wife: SAHM Latina) sounds like you're creating an identity out of having a Latina wife, or like it matters a lot. It doesn't really.
Ragging on feminism with girls can be fun. And it's part of the, not the anger phase exactly, but the n00b redpiller phase, where you're excited to show off your newfound understanding of the matrix. This too shall pass, as you realize it's just one more piece of the greater puzzle of understanding your life and the world as you exist in it.
That thing about women seeing through your smoke and mirrors... it's kind of the flip side of the old saying "No matter how hot she is, somewhere there's a guy who's sick of her bullshit."
But bigger than this, is my original question from two weeks ago... what do you want to get out of this? You talk about applying AM, identifying shitty comfort tests, conguence, fogging, boundaries. These are just names we put on concepts that help you either do less stupid stuff, or do more productive stuff in certain situations. But I'm not seeing your vision or the big why of all of this work. In the short term, sure, it's like cleaning your room, little actions give you space to think and make you feel a bit better about yourself. But what's the big picture? What's deep inside you that you will give to the world while you're expressing yourself through words and deeds in a congruent fashion? This is what I'm not seeing. Tools are great, but what are you building with them?
This really stands out the way this is phrased:
> So. I need to nut the fuck up and enforce some boundaries. Yet also not choose random idiotic things that I don't actually care about.
Please tell me that you have important needs and core values that you feel deeply about, things you want to ensure remain relevant your life, and setting boundaries is a way to help you achieve that. What I'm hearing is "All the guys at MRP say boundaries are good, I should set some, I hope I can come up with a core value. " Back-assedwards.
And tangentially, what kind of boundaries can you expect to enforce when at the same time you're deathly afraid of fucking your wife hard?
ImpatientZen 4y ago
I really appreciate all the comments. I wrote up a very long reply. But the important parts are really about what the fuck am I actually doing.
There is something here. I know when I am in that place. Of contributing to life. Of giving my gift, if you will. It's about being able to see connections and helping people realize their potential. But I can't really grasp it and it's incredibly frustrating. So why am I here in part is to clean up my room to get the space to see.
Funnily it is somehow - in a way I can't yet explain - tied to this:
It really hilarious. First I thought "oh no, you got it backwards. I am not afraid to. Quite the contrary. I do. More than most. But if I I am too hard, I hurt the poor thing." Which is of course just ego bullshit. The only thing holding me back is me. And when I do that, I also do in other aspects of my life.
I will continue thinking and posting and we will see if I keep walking in circles. Thanks for the input. I really appreciate it.
Listerine10 5y ago
OYS#3
Third OYS.
43yo 5'10'' 158lbs 16% BF, married, together 25 years, kids 2
Read:
NMMNG, WISNIFG, MMSLP, TWOTSM, TDBF, HTWFAIP, PFP, Pook
Reading:
TRM
Health/Physical:
Diet: Keto
Have cut down (not cut out u/Vegasman20002) on the cardio. Only one longer run this week. I'm still not sure how I will do this, but I'm pretty sure I will keep a couple of runs a week, probably one of them within the two day pause in the SL 5x5. I'm also running to the gym, but that's just \~10 minutes for warm-up.
Stronglifts 5x5: SQ: 105lbs, BP: 94lbs, BR: 72lbs, OHP: 77lbs: DL: 121lbs
Goal: Weight 165lbs at or below 15% BF by end of September.
Mental:
Long term: Develop a frame.
Short term: STFU on shit-tests, DNGAF on rejections.
I'm starting to feel the benefit of STFU and DNGAF. As soon as I do it right it's like I create a little bit of space to observe the situation from the outside and allow myself to be amused by her actions. On the other hand, when I DEER (mostly explain or rationalize), an alarm goes off in my head. It's welcome, as it jolts me out of it and puts me back in STFU mode.
Finances:
Comfortable. Refinancing mortgage to cut .75 off the interest.
Down 0.94 achieved.
Family/Marriage:
Minor shit tests. I forgot to change towels when I cleaned the bathrooms. I just acknowledged that I did. Why the hell not?
When going to the gym I asked if she wanted to join me, knowing full well she wouldn't. It didn't go over well. She has begun blaming me for her feeling bad about eating snacks and not working out. I just said goodbye and left before I said something stupid. I honestly don't care if she works out or not.
Sex:
Once. Morning initiation. Shoved her over so I could spoon behind her. Initial reluctance. "Kids could hear" (they wouldn't wake for the fire alarm), "I'd need to wash off", "We need to brush our teeth". I jokingly said that if I'd need to brush my teeth, she could forget it. We went and brushed our teeth...
As for the goal, I slacked off a bit after the initial success. Kino continued during the week, but only one more (denied) initiation. Got up and made coffee.
Goal: Kino, and initiate several times a day.
Social:
Not a lot to report on here. Continue to talk to anyone and everyone to get used to being a bit more cheerful and fun. The social distancing and working from home doesn't allow for a lot of it, but I take the chances I get.
2wo2wo3hree 5y ago
“ When going to the gym I asked if she wanted to join me”
-Why? She’s just gonna slow you down. You’ll have to wait for her to get ready and when you get there, she’ll complain and talk your ear out while you try to set a new PR. If you continue your progress, she will eventually come. Wait for her to ask to jump in that frame. She’ll be more likely to listen and remain in your frame during the workout. Meaning she’ll understand that the gym is not the place for her to talk about how much of a bitch Karen was at work last week.
As far as you sex initiation, it’s unclear if you had sex or brushed your teeth instead. If you got rejected, it’s your fault. Setting, timing, current hygiene state And most importantly ATTRACTION. Change your setting. Maybe morning time, morning breath is just not the most attractive thing to her.
Vegasman20002 5y ago
You need to eat big my friend. Start Mathews' Bigger Leaner Stronger and eat at least 500 calories over maintenance to start, making 100% sure you hit protein goals (40-50%). Then increase calories every week. Given it three months of this and evaluate. And don't take the wife with you. You need to lift hard and follow Mathews double progression to a fucking T.
Listerine10 5y ago
It has become my default. When I leave for a walk I ask if she will join me. Was a slip up.
Sorry about the confusion. We did both.