A fundamental core principle here is that you are the judge of yourself. This means that you have to be a very tough judge, look at those areas you never want to look at, understand your weaknesses, accept them, and then plan to overcome them. Bravery is facing these challenges, and overcoming the challenges is the source of your strength.
We have to do this evaluation all the time to improve as men. In this thread we welcome everyone to disclose a weakness they have discovered about themselves that they are working on. The idea is similar to some of the activities in “No More Mr. Nice Guy”. You are responsible for identifying your weakness or mistakes, and even better, start brainstorming about how to become stronger. Mistakes are the most powerful teachers, but only if we listen to them.
Think of this as a boxing gym. If you found out in your last fight your legs were stiff, we encourage you to admit this is why you lost, and come back to the gym decided to train more to improve that. At the gym the others might suggest some drills to get your legs a bit looser or just give you a pat in the back. It does not matter that you lost the fight, what matters is that you are taking steps to become stronger. However, don’t call the gym saying “Hey, someone threw a jab at me, what do I do now?”. We discourage reddit puppet play-by-play advice. Also, don't blame others for your shit. This thread is about you finding how to work on yourself more to achieve your goals by becoming stronger.
Finally, a good way to reframe the shit to feel more motivated to overcome your shit is that after you explain it, rephrase it saying how you will take concrete measurable actions to conquer it. The difference between complaining about bad things, and committing to a concrete plan to overcome them is the difference between Beta and Alpha.
Gentlemen, Own Your Shit.

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johneyapocalypse 6y ago
My guess is that there was a deeper stronger catalyst. I doubt you simply "realized" that you had "backslid."
So what really happened?
elp4ul 6y ago
OYS #1
Stats
Age 25 Ht 5,74” Wt 185, 26% BF; I'm not married, More in an LTR
Reading
Finished : NMMNG, Art of Seduction, The Game, Mystery Method, Models by MM and recently the PMO Hackbook
Currently Not reading anything, I will be Reading the Data Warehouse Toolkit, Because I figured my biggest issue right now is financial and i need to focus on my Skills in my profession first (I'm a BI consultant)
Fitness
I used to do BJJ & Strong lifts 5x5 But the gyms now are closed up
So I'm just doing 7 sets of pullups and 7 sets of dips 3 times a week and also Jogging for 30 minutes 3 times a week (would love to get working alternatives to this, I'm trying to lose bodyfat)
Nutrition
I'm just filling my food container (http://cdn.hmizate.ma/media/catalog/product/cache/1/voyages\_image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/o/coin-de-chine-deal-12-9-2013-img4.jpg)
Everyday with 50% Cooked veggies 25% Carbs (pasta rice ..) 25% Turkey Breast
for 2 meals a day( meaning i fill the two plates you see in the picture for lunch, eat it, then fill it again for dinner) I also eat 3 boiled eggs almost every day. and 4 cups of coffee Daily
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Career
I've started a consulting business, which consists of just two people, essencially me that does the actual consulting and a partner who takes care of the Marketing and Sales aspect, I found myself being drained of energy and distracted when i focus on those rather than focus on the core of the business.
I'm trying to grow this business but i'm having a bit of trouble seeing how to structure that growth and spotting the requirements, I've seen a post here about starting and growing a business, it's been a good starting point and I'm willing to go through the reading list he suggests.
Since my company needs funds, i'm limiting my personal spending to the minimum wage (which is enough for me to live an okay life, especially with quaranteen)
Social
I'm bordering on the anti-social spectrum since quaranteen measures are preventing me currently from meeting people by choice, i can only go to work, i work at a coworking space which is a pretty sociable environment so I will start practicing my social skills there.
Relationship
My LTR is confined in another state so there's no way to b physical with her, I'm limiting interaction with her to an hour per day online and 3 hours on the weekend. This has surprisingly made her value me even more a lot more then we were interacting all the time.
Education / Training
As a consultant, I feel as if how much I'm paid is directly proportional to how much I learn So I will devote an hour per day initially for training myself in Business Intelligence, whether it be online / education/ speaking with experts ...
As Business Knowledge is a priority for me right now, I'll be soaking up TRP knowledge the Youtube channels that are popping up right now and that are very regular with their podcasts (shoutout to Rian Stone, love your stuff man, it's helping me survive in the Sexual Marketplace, somebody tag the man)
Financial
I've graduated a year ago and started my consultancy company straight out of college with a partner, We only have had one client and i've only been able to handle one client at a time anyways, that one client pays really well, but i need to scale my business.
I still live with my parents and don't own a car, the right decision financially for me however, is to reinvest in my business to try to grow it (aka recruit and train more consultants to do what i'm currently doing) before Getting an appartment and/or a car
Mission
My mission is to become known as the #1 Data Science guy locally and to contribute to the economic development in the country and inspire youth who come from difficult backgrounds like mine. I believe I am well on my way there, and already getting a lot of recognition from the community, but the financials aren't following ... so I ought to focus on the financials first before I go for anything else. And immediately jump on any opportunity that allows me to get close to the two at the same time.
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Alternatives to body weight and jogging 3 times a week? Do it everyday.
Every time you walk past a chin-up bar do a set. Stop two reps short of failure. Even if that effectively means doing one rep.
Same thing works with dips. I’d do something for legs but wouldn’t bother with the same “greasing the groove” type approach.
Google Pavel or Chad Waterbury body weight workouts. There’s some good templates out there, one of the few subjects T Nation is reliable for.
If you want a book, Convict Conditioning pops up every time this subject does. The exercise descriptions are good but the programming sucks. By contrast, Solitary Fitness by actual long term prisoner Charles Bronson has some very effective ideas.
SBIII 6y ago
So you're wasting 10 hours a week talking online to a chick you're not even banging?
Meanwhile, you're struggling to make money, you're living with your parents and you're a fat cunt. You place zero value on your own time. That needs to stop.
Tell your chick you need to focus on your business and allocate 1 hour per week max. to her at the weekend.
Then do something constructive with your time instead of pissing it away.
DrBeaufort 6y ago
OYS #12
Stats
Age mid 30s, together with wife \~15y. 1 toddler. Height 6'1", weight 222lbs.
Squat - 320x5, Press 132.5x5, Deadlift 320x5, Bench 185x5
Sidebar
Finished: NMMNG, MMSLP, MAP, TWOTSM, WISNIFG, SGM
Reading now: re-read WISNIFG
Summary
I have been depressed, and spent a week and a half not doing much, including missing my OYS last week, and doing it late this week. I also resumed some previous addictive and time wasting behaviors such as scrolling news/reddit feeds. I am determined to get going again. In the past with events like this I was so hard on myself that I paralyzed myself with toxic shame and guilt. This time I am going to not beat myself up inside, but forgive myself and just keep going on my MAP again.
Lifting/diet
I had to take over a month off from lifting for medical reasons, and just started back up again this week. I feel great about this, and don't mind the DOMS. I have been fasting and dieting, and lost several pounds during my time away from lifting. I am excited to get to 220lbs soon, as that will be the trigger for the next stage of my MAP per MMSLP. I had a big gut back this winter, and have a visible 4 pack and a tan from exercising outdoors now.
Relationship
Things have been improving here since I stopped DEERing, but I still need to develop some game. We went from sex about twice a year, to about twice a month with my wife initiating. I have not been initiating with her explicitly, but doing the 10 second kiss often will trigger her to initiate. Given the lockdown and no childcare, we are both exhausted and stressed all of the time, and usually collapse in bed immediately once we can get our son down. I need to build more intimacy with her, and practice SGM methods, but that will require finding a nanny or something similar first. We are working on that and it will happen soon.
Parenting/household
I am not happy with my efforts here, the house isn't as clean as I'd like, and I've been losing my temper with my toddler son when he damages things around the house. Usually the damage is because I was supposed to be watching him, and tried ignoring him to do something else for a while (often housework). I did take some advice from last time, and started rough housing and tiring him out more, which seems to help a lot for both of us.
Personal/social life
We're in a strict pandemic lockdown still, and I haven't reached out digitally to anyone- my only interaction has been with my family. I need to step up the contact w/ friends and family digitally.
Career/work
I've been continuing to make little progress here, but I've been putting together plans for seriously implementing Cal Newport's deep work system. The first step for me will be to eliminate distractions (e.g. reddit scrolling) and start building a habit of starting deep work for 5 minutes or so several times a day.
Goal accountability from last time
-Emphasize sleep, get to bed early
Result: success
-20 hour fast 3x, or 72 hour fast
Result: success
-practice WISNIFG techniques
Result: success
-start deep work for 5 minutes 3x/day (more specific than last week)
Result: failure
-call one old friend to catch up
Result: failure
Next week goals
Same goals again
Vonfahtz 6y ago
How?
And yet...
Definition of insanity, brother.
DrBeaufort 6y ago
Thanks, I need to stop trying the same thing with no results, and am pivoting my OYS strategy now.
Anomalousfunction 6y ago
OYS24.
Age 50 Married 24 years. Together 26 years. Wife 48 years.
3 male children age 21,21 and 17.
Height 179 cm/ 5ft 10 Weight 74kg Body fat c20%.
Reading.
Read NNMG, MAP, WISING, MMSLP. The Game by Neil Strauss and The Rational Male (the book) by Rollo Tomasi. The Art of Seduction.
Lifting/Exercise.
Moved to total body routine 3 times a week: Push, pull, quads, butt/hamstrings and core.
Mission.
(A) Make money by investing. The good habit of not watching my stocks seems to be sticking.
(B) need more to have a fulfilling mission.
Writing the Blog and seeing where that goes.
Sex/relationship.
Bad week. Ended up pestering my wife for sex. Literally chasing her round.
Reflections.
It has been pointed out that I am a dancing monkey with covert contracts.
One day this week I was pestering my wife for sex highlighted this to me. Told myself it was game but in the end felt and looked like pestering.
Need to think about mission. Need to spend time away from her.
Need to think about my life outside my marriage.
Short term goals.
Been through clothes. Need to sort out bad t shirts that don’t fit or complement me.
Set up initial version of the blog. Starting writing articles. Need to do the work so I understand how the website works and how I edit it.
Whatev22 6y ago
You sound boring. What do you do to spice things up? Friends?, hobbies? Wild and crazy adventures?
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threekindsoflucky 6y ago
You replied to main thread. Reply to the OYS comment you were trying to respond to and remove this.
BarracudaRP 6y ago
OYS #28 (last was in May)
38yo, married 9 years, multiple kids. 154 pounds, lifting 3-4 days/week (basement gym), 14% BF.
Vision is important; I knew that I wanted freedom from the schedule of a typical job. I knew that I valued my time with my family more than the safety that comes with a big company. So for the last 18 months I've been working on a side hustle, with the hopes that in 5 years I could replace my day job - that was the vision. I expressed that vision to my wife, so she could help me run the ship, and she deferred to my decisions as Captain. I told her that my vision was one of freedom for me and for our family, and that some day it might mean new risks, adventures for us to take on together.
Then I got to work. When COVID hit, I was able to do my day job from home - but my side hustle dried up completely, just before I was set to have my first profitable season. I kept grinding. Then, a government change meant I could help more people - and by April, I had dozens of clients in process. My phone rang constantly and I worked my ass off on nights and weekends, even though there was a chance I'd make nothing. Spoiler Alert: another change meant that I lost every client - and I made nothing, but learned a ton. Instead of complaining, whining, pausing, crying or otherwise lamenting my fate, I doubled down - picking up additional contractor work in a related field, and doubling down in my efforts on the side hustle. I was too busy to do much else. Busier than I've ever been - but never too busy not to lift.
It's funny how grinding makes things start to happen. Small clients trickled in, and the side hustle made a profit. I also finished the contract work I picked up, which then turned into a job offer that I wasn't expecting. I've written before about abundance, and the importance of vision in decisions.
This time, the decision was easy. The new job offer is, first and foremost, in line with my established vision. It offers me freedom to pursue the things I value, to be with my family, work anywhere, and build my side hustle faster. It will also be a lot of work, and my days will be largely self-directed. This is one reason for my OYS, the next month is going to be filled with transitions, and my discipline and self-management need to be on point. Discipline is a personal strength now, but it hasn't always been - and I'm not interested in using my newfound freedom to sleep, masturbate, or play video games.
Relationship: Things have drastically improved at home; partly because of the slow progress my wife has been putting in since last year, but mainly due to us growing together (read: Because of me) in recent months. My wife is deferring to my decisions, doing more to be helpful, and putting effort into improving. I've been praising her exercise and weight loss for 6 months, and I help her do stuff to acieve those goals: and now she's absolutely killing it. Even the kids are noticing how healthy mom looks these days, and I like that my favorite panties are fitting on her again. I've been more overt in my communication at times (calling out her bad attitude) and also finding times where simply a look of approval/dissaproval is all that I need.
I can either keep this momentum as the new norm, or I could let my frame slip and lose all the gains we've made. Full speed ahead.
Reading: nothing. I want to read Power of Now, but I also want to revisit some sidebar stuff. Fuck it, PoN is what I need. I'll start this before my next OYS.
Household: On better track than we have been in a long time. I've knocked out a couple large projects, and I have a few more things to get arranged/organized in the coming weeks.
Social: I've been putting a focus on spending more time with good guy friends. A poster here recently said "You are the average of your 5 closest friends"; if I do that math, are my friends emulating what I want to be? Or are they just old friends that I've defaulted to? I'll keep up socializing, especially with new people and with those who are good for me to be around.
Summer: Launching small humans into the lake, camping and hiking and bonfires and turtles. Leading the wife on fun trips, giving her a role in getting us ready while I work the plan. Taking the kids to get ice cream for no reason at all, and soaking up all the goodness.
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
Rock 'n roll dude.
Other than urging caution over getting your wife involved in your side gig. Caution. Danger Will Robinson.
You learned more than a ton. It will take years to realize just how much you learned.
Congratulations on the new job.
BarracudaRP 6y ago
Never. Poor phrasing on my part; my wife helps 'run the ship' through logistics at home and sharing my overall vision. She has zero involvement in my business or side hustle, which is perfect
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threekindsoflucky 6y ago
You replied to main thread. Reply to the OYS comment you were trying to respond to and remove this.
Slapeeey 6y ago
40, 6'0" 178 married w/ 3 kids
Lifts: Deadlift 6 x 225, Squat 8 x 150, Bench 10 x 60 lb dumbbells this week
Changed to higher rep range this week in a phased plan from the Mind Pump guys (great podcast), I haven't been super blown away by their program, but it is written down and that makes me do it. I decided I wasn't gaining mass enough and have been incorporating more meat, bought turkey lunch meat for snacks, 6 steaks, and 10 chicken breasts, also tuna for on the go snacks. Was hearing that you need 20-23 calories per pound to gain mass. There is no way I've been eating this much that would be 3600+ calories a day. I've been reluctant to calorie track as that is for autistic fatties, but may consider looking at a few days of meals. 3600 is a lot of eating, and I find that if I increase processed food to hit the numbers I just get fat. My concern is getting too high a body fat percentage as opposed to bulking muscle.
STFU
Decided I had mastered STFU and tried to broken record and fog the wife all night during an argument. I played this poorly, but trying to learn from experience here. Time to venture out past STFU maybe 1x per week to try other things. She had been nonstop bitching about current events after zoning out on her phone and I snapped. Imagine BS TV news on full blast in our bathroom every night instead of fucking. After enough drama we had hate sex to make up. However, that was 2 am so that killed my gainzz with some poor sleep. I'll need to find other avenues to create faux drama get what I want and get to sleep on time. Better leadership at bedtime on my behalf would help, turn off the tv and turn off the internet 2 hr before bed.
Social
Joined a running club that meets to run and have a beer afterward. I've always been an elitist ass hat on those things and made excuses for years, but I've been enjoying it more than I thought and will keep going for time being. Not sure what's appropriate during Covid, so that sucks. On another point I've been mentally cutting loose of old lower value friends, i.e. the fat dads from drinking days of yore. Tough to do, but got sick of their laziness.
Alright Back to work
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
Or lazy assholes.
As well as retards who are prone to getting fat.
All night huh? You've missed the point entirely if you're doing that all night. You're better off heading out at 9pm and going to a hotel.
Why do you think she's doing that? Is it because of covid? The news? current events? Nah, part of you - unless you're full-on retarded, which you very-well may be - recognizes that your wife behaves like this beacuse... you.. s-u-c-k.
You're gay, you're boring, and you aren't capable of stimulating her, as such she lives her life through the television and perhaps the phone, creating a fictional life to replace the pathetic, non-life she is living thanks to her loser husband.
While you're finding "other avenues to create faux drama" just consider that you're a pussy.
Pussy.
Cool-Salad 6y ago
OYS#4: married 4 years, kid 3, 32 years old
Physical:
6'0 185lbs - down from 280lbs when I found MRP. BF at 19% per calipers.
Squat: 185x5 (squat going up despite deadlift plateauing)
Bench: 205 1RM (hit this the other day as a new 1RM)
Deadlift: 235x5
OHP: 135 1RM, trying to transition into being able to do this in a clean and press. I'm trying to better get the idea of the triple extension and the high pull.
Diet: I've really been able to take my diet to the next level thanks to a mix of remembering whats worked for me (IF) and listening to nutritional experts like Greg Doucette. After plateauing at 195 for the longest time I'm now down to 185. I've really benefited from adding different types of protein to my diet as opposed to eating the same bland ass chicken breast, protein powder and greek yogurt. I'm eating a lot more turkey breast, 97% lean ground beef and fish.
I have a ton of extra skin on my belly that I'd like to get removed one day. Until then it's a physical reminder of my old bp self and the belief that if I go to church every Sunday that my marriage would be fine regardless of whether I ate myself fat and stopped trying to advance my career.
Reading: I finally finished WISNIFG, since then I have also been flirting with a few side plates I met on shitty dating apps (covid lock down keeping me from bars) mostly over text and video chat. Some of them have already started to shit test me and it creates a whole new opportunity of re-using the knowledge I learned here. It's almost like starting the MRP process over again. Though my mindset has successfully changed and I now STFU by default, it's harder to implement the fogging and self disclosure with each different potential plate.
MAP - Chapter 12 - the Vampire and the decisions matrix. This is where I am at right now. Though I am not getting the positive resolution, I think I can get a positive relationship through ending it.
I actually bought The Power of Now over amazon. I'm hoping that I actually finish the book given that I have spent money on it and own the physical copy.
Career: Business is fucking hurting due to covid. Me and the other executives reduced our salaries to 0. SBA loans are keeping our employees paid. We're running at 1/8th (up from 1-2% in last OYS) of our usual capacity and will be bumping it up to 1/2 soon which will get us profiting but not anywhere near where we were before. I don't mind the reduced income given that I'm heading to divorce court soon.
I've been trying to be the oak during covid and I'm not going to let covid leave me with nothing going with my career. I'll be leaving the country soon to teach English at a high school in China for a year. Other owners are okay with the sabbatical, though I suppose it's possible the other owners might screw me over a salaried position when I get back but it's a good practice in being more OI and will serve as an opportunity to impose myself on them when I return. My extended family will (perhaps rightfully) shit on me for abandoning my daughter for a year to move my career across the world. What I'm certain of is that I will grow emotionally by being in another country, even if I lose out on a relationship with my daughter. I'm trying to frame this as me being in control of myself and when I board that plane I will at the very least be in my own frame.
Relationship: After learning to say no and leveling up my "sex rank" per MMSLP I no longer have any interest in fucking my wife. Being that fucking your wife is necessary to a prototypical MRP marriage divorce what's next. I read the nuking of my nuclear family and I am nuking the shit out of it. Almost to the point of abandonment? My wife doesn't seem very intent on sharing any information regarding what she wants to do post divorce thus putting me in a situation where it will be difficult for me to have a relationship with my daughter afterwards and making this pre-divorce phase full of obstacles. I searched and couldn't find any reading related to wife taking full custody of kids after divorce.
ExactMammoth 6y ago
This is really a tough decision. You should get yourself a copy of eat pray love and decide what type of lesbian you want to be in your and your daughters one life together.
You are an idiot.
BarracudaRP 6y ago
Yo, let's pump the brakes and look around.
You've come a long way physically in the last year, but your frame is weak. You recognize this, but your ego doesn't want to read the books, do the work and change. You've been doing mrp for a year but have only read, what, NMMNG and WISNIFG? Those should have been done in the first 4 weeks.
I point this out, because you want to make decisions from a strong frame - abundant, outcome independent, focused on you as your own point of origin. At this point in your life, you are making major life decisions from a weak frame. One that gets butthurt by your wife. A frame where you mate-guard when she asks you for your friend's phone number so she can go work out (in spite of her being overweight and unattractive to you). In this post, you are looking to your wife for direction about what life will be like after divorce; then you hamster her lack of information into reasons why you won't be able to see your kid. My brother, those are not the actions of a strong, valuable man on a mission.
This brings me to southeast Asia, where I have also spent some time. You want to "see the world" and "experience other cultures", I get it. Your plan evolved from a week in the Philippines to a month, and now you want to do a year in China? And you'd be pausing your career and leaving your 3yo for a year to do it? You're right that you are the only judge of your actions if you step on that plane, and you can totally own it and do whatever you want to do.
But really? I think you want to fuck some small, easy Asian women. I think you want to get far away from your fat wife, and maybe even away from the kid and the job. You used the word abandonment up there with a question mark - you're the one to answer that. I think there are far better things you could be doing with your time (reading, building your business back up, getting your marriage to the point where you can keep your balls in a divorce). I am not convinced you're being honest about your own motivations; if you want to see the world, why not take one 6-week sabbatical every quarter to see a new country?
Cool-Salad 6y ago
Thank you for your reply.
I really needed to hear this
I actually read TRM, MMSLP and Pook as well but I think you're absolutely spot on that I need to be doing more reading.
Fucking true. Thank you.
I might be wrong here but my career at my company is a dead end for now. I have ownership and guaranteed set for life (almost). The company isn't growing much in the next couple years anyways. It's actually part of the reason I stagnated and my wife seized my balls from me. If I stayed my salary would be shit for the next year anyways due to covid. Teaching in Asia will allow me to transition into teaching here in the States allowing me to actually have a 9 month long work schedule with 3 month long sabbaticals. The part with the 3 year old kid is true though but I think it's something I can always come back to should I chose to. Again own me if I'm wrong because I don't want to hamster out excuses here if I'm being a faggot.
Hence you being right about me having shit frame right now.
Pretty true but I legitimately want to see the world and grow in a new environment. I want to learn the language and struggle. Even when I was dating an Asian before I met my wife I still wanted to go to Asia without banging easy Asian women. I think more likely is I'm seeing my younger years disappear and I want to fucking travel so bad. I tried to get wife to go with me to Asia with me before MRP but she didn't want to, so I ended up going on a solo trip to Quebec for a week.
Can't afford that right now. If I wasn't a huge faggot for so long that's what I would have been doing last year, or what I'd be doing right now if Covid wasn't a thing.
Vegasman20002 6y ago
OYS 27
Age: 50 Wife 50. Married 19 years. 2 kids 16 and 10. 5'6" 153.
Lifts
Intermediate: 160 bench 240 deadlift 105 OHP
Novice: 175 squat
Was on vacation this week, resort gym was closed so no lifting. I planned ahead for this and scheduled it so that my vacation week would be a deload. Got back to lifting first day back. Between deload and cutting I lost 5-10 pounds on my bench and incline bench. Probably will face the same when I get to squat and deadlift, but I also expect to get it back quickly.
Diet
Switched to cut diet, 1600 calories on non-lift days, 1800 on lift days (TTEE 2200). 50/30/20 protein/carb/fat. Gained a pound and a little belly on vacation. I cannot wait to get off the cut and start another recomp or better yet an actual lean bulk, but I need to get rid of some more fat.
FWIW now that I am no longer a fat slob I found myself disgusted at most of the men and women I saw. The resort was filled with large women and fatass dad bod guys. Five days outdoors at a pool etc and I saw one guy whose belly wasn't larger than his chest. One. No wonder women don't want to fuck their husbands.
I cannot wait until I am no longer in that group; I am most of the way there right now. The resort is a place we go every year and I cannot wait to get back there after another year of lifting and improvement. I will admit the idea of being well built with abs among all these other slobs is an ego booster and motivation, and if some of these moms want to look, leading to dread, well, bring it on.
Of course my wife needed some comfort since she rightfully saw herself in those women but no longer saw me in the fat fucks at the pool. I gave her encouragement and told her I was glad she is actually lifting weights and taking control of her weight. And then STFU.
Relationship and shit
Recently I feel like I am "getting it" and I have increased my reading accordingly, mostly sidebar and the rabbit hole it sends you down.
One thing I haven't done is say "no" in a long time. So one night my wife wanted to play ping pong. I didn't, so I simply said no. Not calculated, not a decision, not "let me see what happens. The "no" just popped out authentically without me thinking about it.
In fact, it even surprised me.
How did she react? She tried to DEER me into it and instead of folding or re-DEERing I just said no again, but invited her to join me in my nightly cigar. She did, for a while, before going to bed and said nothing about me saying "no." No complaint, or (what I expected) expression of disappointment. And never brought it up at all.
More good news; a friend of hers is getting a divorce as her husband cheated on her. I have been waiting for her to bring up my past indiscretions, back when I didn't know how to lead and just wanted to get validation from a woman who wasn't a whale.
So, she went out to dinner with her friend, and told me the sob story. Eventually she admitted she got a pit in her stomach while listening to her friend, since it brought up bad memories.
I simply said "I am glad we got past it." And then changed the subject. No apologies or explanations or evasion or stammering. One sentence and then I moved on.
I know many of the vets here probably would have had some A&A teed up, but anything that wasn't autistic STFU or DEER when challenged on my past actions was a new milestone for me. Before RP I wouldn't have had any idea what to do and probably would have word-vomited myself into DEER while thanking her for a second chance or some other horrific response. Just thinking about that type of response makes me sick.
Also noticeable was a lack of shit tests after both of the above incidents. Not a peep, not a complaint, nothing. I think that's good but am not certain as it could be a buildup to some escalation on her part. Having never been in this situation I don't know what to expect in the short term.
Lastly the wife and I have slept in separate rooms for a long time, years. Last week she came back to the main bedroom and we started sleeping in the same bed again.
Social
None. Gun range, cigars with the guys, the usual. Nothing new, but the takeaway is that I don't ask for permission or even imply that I am seeking approval. Ever. This is the one area I have held frame on over the years; she has tried a few ploys to break this frame, it used to be "why don't you want to spend time with us" or other such nonsense. Without even knowing what shit tests or comfort tests were, I handled them with comfort and just kept on doing what I wanted.
Overall Mission I have 20 years of marriage, 30 years of blue pill adulthood, and ten months of Red Pill, so I am barely at the halfway point.
Old mission: move forward like a shark. New mission: find a destination.
I have been thinking a lot about "the destination." But I have a lot more thinking, lifting and STFUing to do before I know what the destination is.
I know what my ideal landing point is, if I had to write it down today: Exactly where I am now, in control of the rudder, learning how to really steer and with a first mate 50 pounds less than she is right now.
But that's just today. Maybe that's shooting too low.
PillUpAss 6y ago
There is no halfway point.
Vegasman20002 6y ago
Right. What I meant was the "one month for every year" thing. My idea was/is I make no big decisions about my FO until I have one month for every year.
PillUpAss 6y ago
I know. But that’s just a heuristic. It is there to prevent Rambo from blowing it all up right away. Now that you are awakening, the journey only ends when you give up or die.
Blarg_Risen 6y ago
God this whole OYS gave me an erection.
The vacation bods.
The honest "no".
The crumb of validation for the work your wife's been putting in.
Great work.
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
Your wife is 50lbs overweight?
Christ, vegas sucks.
Vegasman20002 6y ago
Sadly yes and she was even more ...
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
Good deal that she's moving in the right direction.
77mrpB2A 6y ago
I had a similar situation on vacation not long ago. We brought dumbbells and bands, and she said “Let’s work out together. Are you going to do (woman centric Beach Body video) with me?”
Me, smiling: “No, I think you should do my PPL with me”. We did work out together. She did her thing. I did mine. There was a time she’d whine that we never do things together, and I’d DEER and capitulate to do what she wanted. Those days are gone. It’s good to say no, when it’s authentic.
AlphalfaSprout 6y ago
OYS #4
Stats
Age 32 Ht 5’11” Wt 179 (+2) (Don’t know BF yet), Wife 32 Kids 2 under 6
Reading
Finished: NMMNG, MMSLP, WISNIFG, Rational Male, Year One, Ironwood Alpha Moves. Currently: Pook
Physicality and Health
Racquetball 2x this week. Walking 3x this week. Still have not started lifting. I was previously happy with my weight loss but am realizing I am using the weight loss and the compliments I am getting from it as a barrier to continuing to do the difficult work. I have to realize that the weight loss was necessary because I let myself get disgustingly out of shape. It was simply a return to baseline. I went from fat to skinny fat. That is it. Now, I need to continue cutting the fat and work on muscle gain. I had ranked myself a 7/10 on Physicality and Health but am downgrading this to a 5/10 this week after some self-reflection.
Career and Money
Generally able to afford everything I want. Only debt is mortgage and two leases. Career is fulfilling and pay is good. 401k on way to being maxed this year. I think I am comfortable and secure enough in this area of my life that I am going to stop including it in my OYS unless something changes or a note-worthy event occurs.
Social
Played racquetball twice this past week with buddy. Work lunch with co-workers. Covid-19 keeping schools closed most likely; but need to look into joining school activities/board/clubs to get out there more if schools do open. Otherwise need to look elsewhere.
Relationship
STFU is feeling more natural to me. Most of the time, my first reaction to any sort of complaint or shit test is to STFU. As this has gotten to feel more natural, I generally am able to have some semblance of Amused Mastery in my budding frame. So if I am not STFUing, I am responding with less DEERing and more jokes/a&a.
Mental
The more I read (especially after engulfing Tomassi’s The Rational Male this past week), the more I am aware of my oneitis, placing the pussy on the pedestal, and the beta relationship behavior that has plagued my life. The more I am aware of it, the angrier I feel with myself, the world, my wife, my upbringing, and everything in between. The angrier I feel, the less time and energy I want to devote to my disinterested wife. The beta in me tells me this lack of time and energy spent on my wife will cause her to be even more disinterested and will lead to divorce. I need to remind myself that being a helpless beta faggot already nearly got me divorced. The only way to salvage my life, give myself purpose and be happy is to become the man I need to be. If that leads to divorce, so be it.
With that said, I am consciously and purposely presenting a happy, confident, stoic, unwavering frame as often as possible. No complaints, no sadness, no wanted to talk about my feelings on our relationship like I did every single damn day before MRP. Every day my little oak sprout is growing. With every week, I want its roots to grow deeper and its trunk to grow thicker. I want to be able to count the rings inside. It is nothing more than a seedling for now.
Sex
I took the advice of those telling me that HJs are beta and wife was using them to keep her betabux satiated in the easiest way possible. I initiated and wife offered HJ. I said no, how about a BJ. Was told she just spent a lot of time putting on make up and that won’t happen. I said: “Well then let’s fuck, you ride me.” And she did. First time in literally 6 months. So that’s a win. Had sex twice this week, both times with me initiating and without much enthusiasm from wife.
Thoughts
I did not find Ironwood’s Collection of Alpha Moves to be a helpful read. It felt like an attempt to rationalize the author’s various choices, style preferences and life decisions as being Alpha, instead of providing significant or thought-provoking advice. Basically: “fedoras are alpha because I wear them; cooking is alpha because I am the cook in the household” and so on and so forth. Perhaps I did not get what I needed out of this book, or maybe I read it at the wrong time in my journey.
MAP
I finishing reading Mindful Action Plan and creating a spreadsheet-style document with every red, yellow and green item in the book categorized by the 6 major areas Athol writes about. For every colored item, I gave myself a value of 0 to 10. This was supremely helpful in creating a game plan for me in the various areas, and also allowed me to reflect on where I stand in each.
I think I will focus the next week on personalizing my MAP. A large part of this is removing the parts of the MAP that I do not necessarily think are important or are broken down into sections in a way that is not relevant or logical to me. This will hopefully cut down the currently over 75 sections significantly and focus them in a way that makes sense to me.
The last part of the MAP, High-Energy Sex will only come if I am a high-value man that my sexual partner is attracted to and wants to sleep with. It will come either with my wife or with someone else after divorce. And only after I have put in this important work.
Tyred_Biggums 6y ago
You simply have to lift. Drop the ego and excuses and do it. It’s not just physical. It’s mental. It clears your head... it’s a form of meditation. You can’t have many external thoughts when you’re trying to push up the bar. And if you’re angry or frustrated you channel all of that into the iron. There is no substitute.
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
What the fuck are you talking about?
2wo2wo3hree 6y ago
“Physicality and Health”
This whole paragraph is fluff. Put your dick down and lift heavy.
“I walk 3x a week...”
Wtf? Are you in a fat people scooter? No! Go find the drive to get under a barbell as much as you can.
Go Lift!
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
Ahh, the good ol' anger phase.
See, it's already starting. You read/listened to some guys here who know their shit and you see the results. Still negotiating desire, but hey, doesn't matter - got laid.
You'll soon be visiting Ramboville, population: you.
We all pass through it, just don't stay too long.
Next you'll try and direct your anger more towards her. You'll be fucking her like a madman. After that you'll fail a bunch of tests, she will withdraw sex, you'll get mad again, go through a second anger phase, finally direct it towards what matters (you), really hit the iron temple, STFU, start working up the dread ladder, and get to work. She'll start fucking you again from anxiety and dread, that won't be enough for you, and then you'll blame her again.
Eventually you'll just realize this is all your fault.
InChargeMan 6y ago
Are you from the future?
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
I am the ghost of MRP past.
SteelSharpensSteel 6y ago
The ghost of MRP future is too busy fucking to be bothered right now.
SoggyTrain 6y ago
Yeah I was not impressed with that book at all either.
Walking for exercise...that is for senior citizens.
DirtyNuke 6y ago
Walk to the gym. That's my advice as a senior citizen.
SoggyTrain 6y ago
Lol, good point.
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
Look at it this way: in today's fat-ass, McDonald's drive-through obsessed culture, the next 62-inch big-screen tv with remote is all the rage.
But what if you turned all that laziness... elevators, sitting on your ass, taking an uber a block away... into an extra added edge?
It would help you, period.
Lose that "walking for exercise is for senior citizens" mentality because the reality is this: (1) one day you'll be a senior citizen, and (2) the reason this country is so behind in so many ways is because at large we are fat, stupid, out-of-shape, and entitled.
Just because you can drive to the convenience store two blocks away doesn't mean you should, whether you're 65, 45, 25, 15, or 5.
Good habits don't just burst through your soul overnight; instead, they are built from the ground-up and nurtured over time.
Walking is a fucking amazing habit.
SoggyTrain 6y ago
That's a really good point. I like the idea of the added edge walking can add to one's lifestyle. It could help a lot of fat asses here in America. But walking purposefully as exercise is annoying to me in the same way dudes doing forearm curls is.
And walking isn't going to build this dudes lats.
For me, I will try to walk as little as possible as I can't stand to eat enough calories for my energy expenditures as it is.
Also, now I assume you track your steps with your smartwatch.
[deleted] 6y ago
I walk like 6-12,000 steps a day according to my phone. Apparently the average is 3k (lol wut?).
I find it helps me think, to the point that I use noise cancelling air pods and a walk instead of the sit down meditate thing. The worst part of the lockdown for me was losing the wind up and decompression of walking to and from the office.
There’s some interesting science about the link between movement and thinking that has me pretty much convinced you can neither think nor quiet your brain optimally without some kind of movement. Coincidentally there is a meditating-while-walking practice in Zen Buddhism and maybe explains stuff like Tai Chi.
Also, I lived in a cycling city once and my lifts went through the roof while I was there. The only factor I can see was the slow build up of work capacity and again there’s an unsung history of athletes who did enormous amounts of LISS.
Take a 45min stroll every lunch break this week while reading Ray Bradbury’s the Pedestrian.
Jodams2021 6y ago
OYS #1
Stats
Age 33 Ht 5’11” Wt 175, BF = 15%, Wife 38 Kids 3 under 7
1RM Estimates: BP = 225lb, OHP = 130, DL = 240lb, SQ = 210lb (likely has dropped a bit in the last 2 months since I haven't had high enough weights available to test myself much)
Reading
Finished: NMMNG x2, WISNIFG, Rational Male x2, The Way of the Superior Man
Currently: 48 Laws of Power
Physical and Health
Running 3 miles 4x per week to help cut down the body fat. Lifting light with a home gym setup to maintain some strength through the gym closures. Looking forward to when gyms open back up and I can get into a better routine. Looking to really bulk some muscle this fall.
I wasn't sure which category to put this in since it affects all of them, so I will just put it in with health for now; drinking. I have been a heavy drinking for the past 16 years. Typically about once per week I over indulge and knock myself out of commission for a day or two. Even with this massive self inflicted handicap I've been able to do relatively well for myself but I am starting to realize I'm only operating at 75% at best. What a waste. My wife is also stating that it is the reason she has been growing more distant and even if that's not the truth I need to stop doing this long enough to find out.
The last time I drank was July 11th, 2020. I will maintain this counter on my OYS as accountability to those that read this, and myself.
Career and Money
No real issues here at this time. Could be better but not my biggest fire at the moment. I have a good, well paying job that I enjoy. I would like to find secondary incomes as time allows but that is not my current priority.
Social
Pretty light here right now. Most of my socializing has revolved around drinking with friends. Recently I have taken up running and fishing to help fill my time with other activities. I am looking to start playing soccer as well but need to find a local league once Covid restrictions are lifted.
Relationship
I have been lurking here for about a year and a half and have noticed my relationship getting worse. I am in the anger phase without doing any of the real work on improving myself which I have realized is a combination that results in divorce. There have been a lot of conversations about things falling apart between my wife and I over the last few months which came to a head about 3 weeks ago. I have withdrawn now and am finally starting to STFU. I thought I understood game enough to try and play it with her and I am not there yet. It was a sad realization but now I understand why STFU is pushed. I will STFU and not engage with any of the shit tests or negativity. I need to figure out how to do this without coming off as a butt-hurt little bitch but shutting up is better than what I was doing in the past.
Mental
I have really been in my own head about the idea of breaking up with my wife. This is why I have decided to start posting on OYS. I realize I have way too little focus on myself and I need to get my plans and goals down on paper to work out what I want from my life. I have been living for my wife and kids which is boring and unfulfilling. I believe this is part of why I still drink the way I do. I really do love my kids but they need a leader, not a beta caretaker.
Sex
It's been pretty bad since kids started. Of course I communicated my dis-satisfaction several times over the past couple of years which hasn't helped anything. No surprises to anyone here. I'm at about 4-5 times per month with me initiating 95% of the time. When we do have sex it doesn't last long and it seems like she just wants to get it out of the way most of the time. The odd time she is into it but those are few and far between. I have stopped initiation for now (last couple weeks) and plan to continue this until I can get STFU and drinking under control. I feel like the more I initiate the more I put her off right now.
MAP
I really need to work on setting this up and would appreciate any help on a good starting point. #1 item which will pay massive dividends is to simply stop drinking. That is my main focus right now as it's not as easy as I had thought it would be. Or I'm just an incredibly weak, short sighted person right now and it actually isn't that hard. That's a possibility I may have to come to terms with.
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
Do not equate "withdrawing" with "STFU."
It's the sperg, retard way around here - 99% of the dudes do that.
Don't do that.
You STFU when it comes to useless, worthless, pathetic conversations that cause you to whine and otherwise undermine yourself.
You do not withdraw. Your wife married you for a reason and that reason was not that you're a deaf, dumb, blind, mute, mongoloid.
There's a happy medium. Find it.
theChetRP 6y ago
OYS #15
38y, 5'6'', 196lbs, 17% BF (calipers)
Married 8y, Together 12y. 18y stepson, 6y son
OYS #14
Sidebar
NMMNG, MMSLP, WISNIFG, MAP, Pook, TWOTSM, SGM, The Natural, The Ironwood Collection of Alpha Moves, Day Bang (50%), Sidebar posts
Reading:
NMMNG 2nd time. Currently on Activity 39.
How To Answer "Do These Pants Make My Ass Look Fat?"
The Rational Male
Mindset
Every now and then I get reminded of the lesson to STFU. So last week, wife was complaining about feeling bloated and tired and in response I asked her how late she stayed up the night before in an annoyed manner. She's angry at me for the comment and I brush it off not thinking much of it afterwards. My dumbbass is thinking, Ok, these are just emotions she'll get over it and move on. She avoids me for the rest of the day and then again the next day. I'm thinking my actions must've upset her enough to avoid me for a couple days, and in retrospect I should've kept my mouth shut or showed some empathy/comfort. Perhaps that's what she was fishing for was comfort and I failed. So I own up to my mistake and apologize. So this was me not following the advice of STFU and paying for it. I know I'm going to fuck up on things along the way, but the best lessons are gained through failure.
We had a great weekend together. Lots of playful banter, bonding and great sex. Spent some time with friends and family. I'm doing much better with leading and I'm noticing her deferring to me for decisions on a lot of things. I've got a long way to go, and I will make mistakes along the way, but it's so much better where I am now than before discovering MRP and even before starting OYS.
77mrpB2A 6y ago
It’s not about the nail. They don’t want you to solve their problem with logic. They want you to listen to them emote. Give her a “That sucks, babe”, pull her in for a hug, and replace bad feelz with good feelz. Then walk away to go do something, leaving her to sit and think about how her guy Just Gets It.
threekindsoflucky 6y ago
Rule 9
AlohaMaui808 6y ago
This is the real issue. Its not that you brought up her lack of sleep, its that you were passive aggressive while doing so and didn't lead. You weren't leading, you were harping, and that is what you paid for.
"Let's go to bed early tonight babe, I'll fuck the shit out of you and you'll sleep like a baby. Bet you're right as rain in the morning!"
None of the passive bullshit, and it doesn't look as desperate to "fix her problem" and/or accuse her of wrongness and instead fixes her feelz with a happy ending.
That is, if that's what you'd want to do. If you'd be doing and saying all that for her, you're still not getting it. You'd say that because you DGAF about her bloated/tired mouth noises and want to lead her into your Frame, which is about having fun, not sucking at life, and having great sex.
Isn't it? I could be wrong.
77mrpB2A 6y ago
6th OYS
Stats: 42, Married 11 years, together 16. 2 kids under 10.
Read: NMMNG, WISNIFG, MMSLP, Rational Male, Subtle Art, Unfuck Yourself, SGM, Models.
Physical: 5’9”, 161 lbs. Waist down another 1⁄2” to 31”, neck at 14”. Body fat I can now confidently say is sub-15%. I grew a spare tire as a teenager and have ranged between 175-190 all of my adult life, so I’ll take a moment to say I’m proud of what I’ve accomplished here. That said, I will not take my foot off the gas.
Lifts: Bigger Leaner Stronger PPL Deadlift: 255x5, Squat 235x5, Bench 155x5. Went 6 for 6 last week on planned workouts, still slowly moving up the weight.
Nutrition: Maintaining the 500 cal deficit, targeting 35/35/30 protein/carb/fat. Had a cheat day on Friday night with pizza and a couple drinks with friends at the beach, but otherwise was on target. 4 alcoholic beverages total for the week. I have 2 weeks left on the cut until a diet break to coincide with vacation.
Relationship: Smooth sailing here. Lots of sexual banter, drive by ass squeezes, and gropes going both ways. There is a bit of a disconnect between the daytime flirting and nighttime action, mostly due to logistics and end-of-day fatigue (this for me as much as her. I’m an early riser and am crashing by 10 pm). It’s not impossible to pull her away to fuck in the middle of the day, but opportunities are limited as it seems our kids are always around, and now staying up later as they get older. I’ll keep doing what I can, and I expect as the kids get older still they’ll spend more time out of the house on their own. Besides logistics, I have my Nice Guy and Bedroom Technician tendencies to chip away at - I need to stay out of my own head, and push on both the D and the V.
Leadership and Social: This week I coached kids sports, played some of my own, got shit done around the house, and met up with a good friend I haven’t seen in a while. There are two plumbing fix it jobs I’ve neglected that have escalated to her nagging me about. I never use that bathroom so it keeps slipping my mind - will complete this week. We’ve got a ton on the calendar between now and Labour Day - it’ll be busy, but fun.
Career: I set a goal to map out a career plan for next 15-20 years last week. I thought about it a lot, but didn’t formalize anything you could call a Map. I did get applications out for a half dozen jobs. Applying cold to posted roles is a fool’s errand, I know - good luck standing out among the 200 other people that can apply with one click on LinkedIn. I’ve got a busy two weeks before holidays with a number of things to close out so I can actually check out for a week, unlike my last stretch of time off where I was on calls every day dealing with stuff.
Bigger picture, I need to make some decisions. Rich Cooper’s saying, “are you playing to win, or playing not to lose” resonates in my head. Virtually every choice I’ve made in my life has been playing not to lose. My gut tells me it’s time to take some risks. We’re in a good spot financially, the wife is an educated professional pulling six figures - as am I - and we live below our means. So I enjoy the luxury of having options. The world has been flipped upside down, and in reevaluating how we do pretty much everything, I feel like this is the time to make a change that will see me through the back half of my career, on my terms.
[deleted] 6y ago
If you’re so focused on weight loss, why are you having cheat days?
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
Read less, live life more.
Stop lifting for your wife's vagina, lift for you. You can't even bench your body weight pussy.
77mrpB2A 6y ago
It’s true, my lifts suck. I didn’t accept the importance of lifting for a long time, which was a mistake. That said, I’m very focused on getting as lean as possible now because there’s a 4 week stretch upcoming that’s going to disrupt most of my routines, and I’ll certainly be eating more over that time.
SBIII 6y ago
You still haven't accepted the reason for lifting yet.
ExactMammoth 6y ago
OYS 12 - First post - old account was u/PaperAlpha
35 yo, 6'2, 210lbs, 20% bodyfat ( u/sbiii method), Married 8 years, together 13, 2 kids under 3
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Lifts: re-running 3x5 novice progression Current lifts SQ - 3x5 270, PR - 3x5 110, BP - 3x5 195, DL - 1x5 320
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STFU - Still an issue. Hitting the anger phase.
Mission - My mission is to become the type of man that has a real mission - This means gaining discipline in my life.
Why am I here? To grow up and take responsibility. To learn to be attractive and not be unattractive. Still fits. Still fits. Still fits.
Reading - NMMNG x2 (currently reading x3 and working exercises) Current - finished NMMNG - still finishing last breaking free exercises. Sexual shame is real for me, so this is heavy lifting part.
Going to go through WISNIFG videos and read with u/rstonept
Pook, MMSLP in progress as well, focusing on NMMNG, Picked up PMOHackbook based on a thread in TRP from last week. Finishing No Bad Kids in queue. Fuccfiles on my kindle.
Read - WISNIFG, WOTSM, NMMNG, Sidebar, a million OYS
Lifting - lifting 3x weekly - increasing each session. Still consistent.
Nutrition - I have looked really good naked for about 8 months of my life when I was 18 and 19 (when I first met my wife before I became a BP faggot again). Goal is to look better than that. I can and I will. Nutrition is where it starts.
I have been batting around this idea of hiring a coach - coaches are great, but I really just need a meal plan and some preparation. Going to do this with my grill, instapot, etc and put together meals for lunch and dinner. Also going to IF.
Concerned this may impact my lift gainzzz but I already have enough muscle to look really good naked. Just too much fat.
Career - Still bogged down - busiest time of the year this week. I plan to come back next week with more dedication to MRP, but this week is particularly busy with work and family (below).
Family - Sort of a shit show this week all leading up to this evening. Toddler is having lots of troubles with new baby. Lots of regressions of behavior, sleep, etc. leading into relationship -
Relationship - It was pointed out to me by a MRP vet that I should be in my anger phase. I didn't think I wanted to have an anger phase. Nice boys don't do that - I thought I could make it through, skip anger, skip rambo and just hit enlightenment where I wake up one morning with my dick in my wife's ass.
Turns out there is a good reason to be angry. I have turned myself into a plow horse bitch dancing monkey faggot who has a wife at home with a nanny that isn't reciprocating value. It's a shitty deal, and it is my fault.
Someone had to fucking tell me that I should be angry. Pathetic.
I am going to stop giving my wife value when none is given in return. I am going to lift and go to work and play with my kids, but I am not going to drive home from work when she calls me because she is stressed out by the kids. Fuck that.
I keep saying, oh she's pregnant, oh it's the new baby, oh it's xyz, but the bottom line is she thinks I am her cash cow man servant problem solver. I thought that is what I needed to be, but it isn't.
The suggestion was stay plan is the go plan. To speak with a divorce attorney and look at what divorce would actually look like. What am I afraid of?
Myself/Spiritual
Was in a back and forth with u/sbiii over body fat %. I have zero fucking frame. It was a good exercise for me - I realized (and it was pointed out to me) how much validation I look for from MRP, wife, everyone. First of all he is right - my bf% is higher than 15%.
But it is more interesting how much that bothered me - then I saw an exchange where two guys really weren't in agreement. The feedback didn't hit the mark and the OP was able to hold frame and move on.
Of course SBIII did hit the mark - I need to lose some fat if I want to look good.
Social - good - good mens group this weekend. Connected with my mom and toddler over the weekend also.
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Commitments -
Lift - stay on task - done
Nutrition - overhaul diet this weekend. Meal prep.
Family - 2/3rds rule as I was told. Don't offer value where none is reciprocated.
Myself - 15 minutes of work daily. Done and renewed.
Porn - ready to stop - cut that shit out and push the anger into lift/diet.
RStonePT 6y ago
ಠ_ಠ you're kind of missing the point.
ExactMammoth 6y ago
Yeah no shit - thanks for pointing that out.
SBIII 6y ago
And you're a fat fuck.
ExactMammoth 6y ago
When I am finally looking hot I'll have you to thank personally
SBIII 6y ago
I might be dead by then. I'm not a young man.
ExactMammoth 6y ago
It really would be ironic if covid took you out
SBIII 6y ago
It would be realy ironic if covid took anyone out. I can't remember the last time anyone died from a virus that was yet to have been proven to actually exist.
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
why'd you create a new account?
ExactMammoth 6y ago
I didn’t want a name that cut myself down. Didn’t understand that when I first picked it. It was a suggestion someone pointed out that fit.
Today seemed like time to change.
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
fair enough
mrp101101101 6y ago
OYS 4
Bio: 41 198lb wife 10y (w3) NMMNG, MMSLP, WISNIFG
Goals:
resistance + cardio 6/7 days -> failed
<2k cals per day passed -> failed
No shouting at kids 7 days -> passed
Flirt with wife 3 days -> passed
Morning Mantra -> Reset + STFU post
Reading: finish Rollo -> passed
Physical
Had a major setback and discovered (via doctor) that i have a long term health condition, which had started as a few issues. This caused me to stop exercising, take stock, seek proffesional help and reset my routine.
In combination stopping exercising, and feeling down about the health condition has meant my positivity and energy levels have decreased. There's work to be done in coming to terms with it and building back up
Kids
Up and down due to the pandemic, but it's great to spend time with them and help them grow and handle the pressures of life. Teaching the older one that teasing his brother for his friends amusement is a short term gain was incredibly satisfying
Reading
Re-reading WISNIFG based on some advice from two weeks ago - it's so insightful, every page is practical and powerful. Focusing on the basics this week: fogging, negative assertion and broken record. Need to build up to negative inquiry - scared of this for some reason (ego!)
Wife
Lots of great advice two weeks ago (last OYS) on STFU. Really implemented it rather than paying it lip service and noticed a bundle of things
- her moods go up and down with barely any input from me
- there is a constant need to find a local reason for her moods that aligns with her goals
- she fights for things she doesn't want: e.g. control
- there is no consistency in her demands
I hadn't appreciated really how much things had moved on in the month since doing this, I regressed after finding out about my health condition: mopping, less active in the house, less positive and she reverted straight back to her old bitchy, controlling behaviour. Still no where near where it's a relationship I'd want to spend a chunk of my life in: lots of work to do, but there has been progress (although a bumpy ride)
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
Long term health condition, huh.
Read my innocuous response here.
Then read [this] (https://old.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/bqwt04/fr_sort_of_cn2_cliff_notes_2_for_intermediates/).
And if you still feel like reading and like erotica, read this.
Your time for wallowing in your sorrows is done, butch up, and get back to working out, perhaps with some changes, but don't sweat it, life goes on.
red-sfpplus 6y ago
Dear Diary -
Based off my level of recent faggotry and asshole burn from this forum, I have decided to look inward.
After multiple text conversations with /u/HornsOfApathy I have come to realize my current flaw.
Due to a high level of abundance, and a nuclear level of DNGAF I have become full on Rambo in all areas of my life. I have allowed my Machiavellian skills to become weak and dull.
Therefore, my focus over the coming weeks and months to become an improved version of myself who uses not only brute fucking force to get what I want in life, but a greater degree of manipulation as well.
And Aloe Vera on my asshole to soothe.
Bernie sphincter out.
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
I disagree.
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
The lion cannot protect himself from traps, and the fox cannot defend himself from wolves. One must therefore be a fox to recognize traps, and a lion to frighten wolves.
StanisBot 6y ago
OYS #3
Age 38 | Height 5'11 | Weight 195 lbs | GF 32 | Together 5 Years
Children:
Age 7 (hers)
Age 4 (ours)
Physical
Current two rep maxes that I've achieved in the last week - I don't have a spotter at home so I don't attempt 1RM:
Took a prescriptive deload week, even though I didn't feel like I needed one yet, which I think is the point. I did 3x5 at 60% training max, then GTFO. I sharply cut calories and ran quite a lot to take advantage of the fat loss opportunity. Lost a few lbs and I feel rested and ready to crush week 6 of nSuns.
Reading
Core: NNMNG (x3), WISNIFG (x2), The Rational Male, TWOTSM, the sidebar and all posts (x100)
Other: Sam Harris - Waking Up, Anthony Bourdain - Kitchen Confidential, Jocko - Extreme Ownership, Jim Wendler - 531 and Beyond 531 (new)
Work
My team in general is doing pretty great. I have a few A players, a few C players, and two lazy/unfocused D players. I'm having a difficult time putting foot to ass with the D players. I'm the technical team lead on the project, not their true superior, so we work very closely. I'm having a difficult time figuring out how to get these guys from getting their shit done and dragging the rest of the team down. They are making me look bad since I'm responsible for the project's progress as a whole, and I'm relatively new to the company and don't quite have the knowledge to complete their tasks myself by way of example.
I am taking personal responsibility for their shortcomings in any conversations publicly. This sucks to do but leaders who are better than I am (e.g. Jocko) prescribe it. Mentally it feels like the right thing to do, but it sucks being associated with the D teams' failures. I'm in IT, so the successes are invisible by design. Shit just works.
STFU
I've decided to over correct on STFU and appear autist at times, then hopefully backtrack to find the correct balance. I'm still working on getting my anger/butthurt response in check, so while I untangle this my only option is to STFU. I'm not yet the oak for even my own self, so being the oak externally is a ways out. I am but a tiny acorn of butthurtness.
Sex
She's been initiating much more this past week. I think my aloofness has something to do with this, or possibly I'm more attractive due to small successes STFU'ing. Sex hasn't really been a problem with us though, she never turns me down, and it's not really a reason I'm here. But it's something of a metric for my own attractiveness.
Strategies
I'm making slow but sure progress decoupling my validation seeking from doing tasks that need to be done. I'm a pretty motivated guy in general, and the reason I do things is because they need to get done, and this is my turf. But part of me expects that others are grateful and appreciate that I do these things. It has bothered me that she is completely blind to these tasks, probably doesn't even know that they are things needing doing, and assumes I'm fucking around in the yard/garage/basement/attic while she does the REAL work of being a stay at home mom. She's just blind to it, and there's nothing I can do, and it's stupid to try or care. So I get that now, progress going forward is truly decoupling my conditioning and emotions from this cold, hard fact.
This has obviously been a covert contract, even though I only expected acknowledgement and nothing else. There's no point in being overt either, that's just dancing monkey bullshit. So I just need to truly decouple. I haven't gotten far enough in my reading to something that really addresses this internal decoupling, or else I didn't comprehend it in, say, NMMNG or WISNIFG. Perhaps just recognizing what's going on and shedding light into this area will be enough to pry away at it.
SBIII 6y ago
Not really. A deload is to allow you to recover and prevent over training - you could go a whole year without doing that when you start out. If you don't need it, don't take it.
Jaggarojo 6y ago
OYS 11
Stats: 21 y-o – 5’9 – 171lbs – 20% BF – single.
Readings: MRP sidebar, TRM, NMMNG, BOP, MAP, Models. Currently reading Self-Esteem by McKay and Fanning.
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Physical
SQ 225 - DL 255 - BP 185 - Pull ups 12 reps x3
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Mental
It’s been roughly a month since my last OYS. Didn’t post because progress was incremental.
The book I am currently reading (Self-Esteem) was recommended to me by my pseudo-NMMNG session’s leader; it has a LOT of good content and was an integral book that got him out of certain unhealthy behavioral patterns. The book dives into the human ego, which the authors label the “Internal critic” and talks about how destructive it can be to our self-esteem on the long run. It also provides step-by-step exercises (similar to NMMNG) to dissociate oneself from the ego, ensuring one to become more present of their experiences and finding more pleasure in them.
Here is one of my recorded exercises during the morning, which required a lot of mindfulness:
I plan to do another introspective exercise of the sort, but this time taking all day.
Otherwise, my interactions have overall been much better. In social situations, I’m being more and more aware when I shift from my own frame to another person’s for fear of missing their approval. Whenever that happens, I’m usually more focused on the person’s body language and cues than on the content of their words, and with the help of some mindfulness techniques learned through meditation, shift the attention back to the conversation at hand.
The incremental progress has put me in a positive feedback loop, and I fully intend to ride this momentum by continuing reading the books, doing the recommended exercises, attending group sessions, and participating in more social events to let these new perspectives replace my older ones.
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Social
I wanted to represent my university for international case competitions but didn’t manage to pass the final interview of the process. This was my plan A to expand my social circle, which unfortunately didn’t work. I’m currently in the process of opening a new club with some like-minded peers, which is my plan B. But I will spend some extra time devising other plans/ways that will help me meet new interesting people.
Though I did get promoted to co-president alongside a good friend of mine to manage a sports club within my university. We’ve already drafted some outlines for the upcoming season’s competitions, but until there is an official confirmation that there will actually be a season, we’re doing just enough work.
Finally, I’ve recently met a girl through a mutual friend, and we’ve hit it off pretty well. Invited her on a date after our second outing with friends. Right before the date, I was striding nervously at home because I had high expectations of myself, plus I hadn’t been on a date since December 2019. I took seat, reframed the situation and came to the following conclusion:
That I were to be honest at all times, whether or not it hurt my chances to seem HVM to her. Also, the outcome of the date would have no hindrance on my self-worth: I am currently on a path of self-betterment, and whether or not she were to like me or not, it didn’t matter. I am learning to love myself, and letting some girl have a say in that would be just plain dumb.
The date went well: we talked a lot and I managed to k-close. There is some emotional baggage which she hasn’t been too open about yet, and I’m willing to be patient about it. I still very much have a scarcity mindset with women, so I’m aware that I may be walking into a beta trap. But I will be letting her know that her presence has no bearing on the possibility of meeting other women.
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Health
Been eating like shit recently, lots of processed foods. Will start cooking more from home and bringing my meals instead of eating at fast food joints. This is also a time allocation issue, and since my days have been relatively unstructured, I will add some order to them.
I’ve restarted lifting at the gym. My lifts are back where they were pre-lockdown, so fully plan to ride this momentum too!
Jaggarojo 6y ago
The casual dating phase between the girl and I is over. We’re done.
Throughout the process, I am proud to say that I have maintained my honesty. In fact, my honesty was a contributing factor to this separation. When I got hit with the “what are we?” question, I gave a genuine answer that did not give a fuck about her opinion. Our clash in value systems made it apparent that neither of us was willing to compromise for the other party, which resulted in this outcome.
So what essentially happened was, I told her that her presence bore no consequence on the possibility of me meeting other women. Meaning I was casually dating her but was open to meeting other women in the process. Conversely, she thought that it would be disrespectful for her to meet any other guys while we were casually dating. She was disgusted at the idea that the mouth I shared with her could also be shared with other women. This also has to do with the emotional baggage she carries due to her dad, but that’s beside the topic.
Fact of the matter is, because we want to stay true to ourselves, we ultimately decided to break it off. She respects my decision just as I respect hers, and so will simply be going our separate ways. If that’s the price to pay for honesty, then it’s not that bad.
One observation I made though was that despite being a touchy person, I felt like she was using sexual intimacy as a tool. Girls like saying that they want to play it out slowly (as a form of ASD, which she strongly displayed), but really, it’s their strongest bargaining chip. It’s what keeps guys wanting.
And in a way, because she didn’t give me any intimacy, the old me feels wronged and, to a certain extent, resentful. Part of my ego did not feel validated by this woman. But ultimately, this resentment probably comes from a bunch of covert contracts I’ve written somewhere along the process too. Will continue to try being mindful of those.
At the end, I’m still striving to become my truest self. I’m still learning to love myself. Even though her rejection should have no bearing on my self-worth, it stings. But I’m willing to suffer, because it’s a necessary emotion felt during growth. So, I’ll welcome this bittersweet feeling with open arms. I’ll embrace it, and act despite it.
And soon enough, this won’t even matter anymore. I’ll find other women better suited for myself.
KoolAidMan7980 6y ago
Why are you gonna let her know her presence has no bearing on the possibility of meeting other women? Why say anything at all? Youve been on one date with this girl and thats what you have to tell her?
Jaggarojo 6y ago
It's part of my new value system: to approach with 100% honesty. If I do indeed meet other women, I'd prefer letting her know from the get-go than to have her discover and throw some fit over lack of communication. And if she isn't happy with that, the clash in perspectives means it probably wouldn't have worked out, or that I'm not HVM enough for her. I'm fine with both.
And I'm not at the point in my journey where my actions convey abundance. I'm only getting started. Honesty is my default go-to for now.
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
21 - have you gotten your first pubes yet?
Jaggarojo 6y ago
If I could, woulda started MRP straight outta my mother's womb. It was the stepping stone to all of my real self development work.
TheActionNerd 6y ago
OYS 31
30y, height: 186cm, waist: 84cm, neck: 38cm, 84.2kg, navy: 14%. wife 26 married 1 year, together 5 years. 0 kids.
Background
I was conditioned to believe that all I would want from life is to find a wife and have a family. Everything I had done before RP was to find someone to love me and to prove myself to others. Since I have found RP, no longer believe that having children is my priority and that I had wanted them for the wrong reasons. I am currently grinding within a marriage to reach an abundance and outcome independence mindset. I want to live a life of financial, physical and mental freedom and I expect to eventually need to kill the puppy.
Readings:
MMSLP, NMMNG, TWOTSM, Pook, Rational Male, Preventive Medicine, How to Win Friends and Influence People, Models, The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck, Art of Seduction, WISNIFG, Day Bang, Mastery, Mindful Attraction Plan, The Charisma Myth, Extreme Ownership, The Power of Habit, 6 Pillars of Self-Esteem
Currently reading: The Power of Now
Physical
Continuing to go well with the cut via intermittent fasting. 5 times again this week. Actually had a midweek adjustment as I was dropping a bit faster than I wanted. Down 1.4kg in the last 2 weeks. Sleep schedule is still fucked and although I am getting into bed earlier, struggling to fall asleep. Just need to be more discipline about shutting down my mind and being less active towards the late night. Ended up masturbating twice more than my once a week but somewhat attribute that to using the bathmate. Still waiting for results from my blood test 2 weeks ago.
Finance/Career
Slowly chipping away at minor financial tasks that I had previously always struggled with as they seemed too daunting. Did my questionnaire for UK tax, and got that on track. Wired out the money from the brokerage account and I’ll just need to convert it. Doing some final research and plan to start investing this weekend after talking to my friend who comes from a financial background. Due to the fact I won’t be planning to keep the money in the fund for an extended period of time as I will withdraw it when I return to Australia. Considering the short time horizon and current situation (with coronavirus and organised riots with the upcoming US election), likely to invest in something less risky and mostly bonds.
Mental
Pretty uneventful week. I missed 2 days of six pillars sentence completion exercises so decided to just skip it for last week. Was way too busy although I’m not exactly digging myself out of the hole at work as more stuff comes in. I’ll just need to make time this week as I repeat week 3 of the sentence completion exercises.
Initiated with the wife on Thursday to a soft no and on Friday to a hard no just before the start of shark week. I wasn’t sure if I pushed hard enough on Thursday but on reflection, I think it would be more butthurt to keep pushing against a soft no which was still playful and fun. I don’t think I need to push it to the state where my wife believes she needs to use an annoyed voice to reject me.
Ended up spending quite a bit of time reading Bogeyd6’s history. A lot of good FRs and good conversations in the comments from 4-5 years ago. No way that I expect most MRP trajectories to go like that, but I did use it to reflect upon my own journey. I think I’ve used the mindset of not going rambo as an easy excuse to be half assing a lot of my MRP efforts. I know I’m meant to game and kino my wife but all of that was towards the mindset of leading to sex. That’s what RP is, but in general I should be practicing frame control. By not trying, I effectively live in fear.
Just being playful for the sake of it being what I enjoy rather than just thinking about it from an escalation to sex perspective. When I think the sex window has closed, I will stop gaming/kinoing for that day. I need to stop that mindset as this window of when sex is convenient is entirely in her frame. I set a goal to go in for kino/deep kiss/general playfulness every day even when it might not be convenient to my wife to have sex. I had started doing this already on workdays and got a comment from her a few weeks ago “it’s not the weekend!” Need to expand that to include gaming her in shark week and after her shower where nothing is “meant” to happen.
SoggyTrain 6y ago
Sometimes I initiate with my wife when I know sex isn't going to happen, just for the fun of it.
TheActionNerd 6y ago
I need to get back into that mindset. A few months back I initiated after her shower and probably some form of covert contract. Got crappy duty sex and a really bad attitude from her after. Threw me into another anger phase. It's put me off since then but it's a terrible excuse.
RedBackedBadger 6y ago
Some things that have helped me:
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Does that thing work?
Did you call the three lawyers or decide you don't need to?
TheActionNerd 6y ago
I've only had the bathmate for 2 weeks so I guess I'll find out in time. I'm considering it a long term grind.
I've set a goal to speak to 1 lawyer by the 14th of August so I'll be holding myself accountable to that. 3 Lawyers is still the eventual goal.
rightsided 6y ago
OYS #27
Married: 3 years. 3 kids Height: 6', Weight: 215 - Target: 183lbs or 10~15% BF
-As of 6/02/2020- SQUAT: 285lbs x 1 - Target: 350+ x 5~ or 420 x 1 BENCH: 250lbs x 1 - Target: 265+ x 8~ or 315 x 3 or 330 x 1 DEADLIFT: 375lbs x 1 – Target: 500+ x 1
Reading: The Power of Now, TWOTSM
Health:
Mentally, I feel better. I’ve been able to focus and slowly start turning my mental state around. PoN has helped quite a lot with focusing on the now.
Physically, my diet has been shit of late. I’ve slacked on recording those calories, and watching what I eat. Yeah a bad few weeks, I’ll give myself a pass for the first 2-3, but no excuses for this week and from now on. I’ll be back in the gym from Thursday (self-quarantined from int’l travel for 2 weeks).
Mission and Career:
I set goals, but don’t review them as much as I should, and this is something I’m working on. My goal board (in my office) has goals for the week, but not long-term goals. To be honest, I like erasing my weekly goal board, which is why I may need a separate board for long-term goals. My journal may be a good place, but I don’t always record my thoughts daily, usually, when something noteworthy happens. I just need to fork out the cash for a second board…
Career-wise, I’ve doubled down on getting my career needs met. I’ve revised my resume and put some skills I wasn’t quite confident I had. I applied to a bunch of positions I want to actually get in, rather than those I’m qualified for. I finally decided I’m done living in fear and waiting patiently for my turn, and this was one area where I was failing to challenge and push myself.
Studying my balls off. I got tons of courses, books, and resources where I started and never finished. Going back through and focusing on them, one at a time. It’s tiring, but I’m enjoying it this time around.
This week: Personal:
I thought quite a lot of being present in the now. The now is all I ever had and will have. I reason about things very differently, when I actually think instead of just listening to whatever pops into my head.
I am beginning to see my current situation from a more realistic perspective. I realize that I gave certain areas of my life unnecessary attention/energy. A lot of shit just works itself out, if I let it.
One thing that’s hard to let go of is future projecting. I still daydream too often about the future, about how badass my new [fill in the blank] will be when I get it. I must focus on the work, in the present moment. Set goals, and do the work. Let my current progress be the indicator of how close I am to my achieving my goals, instead of getting stuck in my head where very little work takes place.
Family:
I understand that must internalize the fact that my wife, nor my kids, owe me nothing. A lot of what I’ve been telling myself is that I must lead and open from a place of love. When I speak, I should speak from a place of understanding and empathy for the listener. When I listen, I should ask myself ‘what is the person speaking trying to accomplish?’ I’m now actively learning to read through the bullshit and ‘feel’ the intention of my wife’s words. This is cool, but how can I serve her needs without the beta-butt-hurt side of me resurfacing? I’ve just ignored or tried to understand where those thoughts come from when the resurface. I’m still working on managing my blue pill mindset.
Even worse, I’ll sometimes do too much STFU, when I sense my woman needs me. I run away by saying I have work to do, not listening and just replying ‘uh huh,’ or just dismiss her concerns.
So this is one area I can implement the things I’ve learn from PoN/TWOTSM.
I’m re-learning STFU, albeit for very different reasons.
SBIII 6y ago
Retard.
InChargeMan 6y ago
Who put you in charge of the passes? Attitude like that got you into this mess.
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The gym doesn't make you not fat. Too much eating shit does that. Don't put the power in someone/something else when it is with you all along, that is a loser's attitude.
Also, worrying about other people's needs is for a man who has his own shit together. Put on your mask first before helping others. Didn't they tell you that on your international flights, or were you too busy eyeing up the snack card?
rightsided 6y ago
Maybe giving myself a pass was bad wording. I should say I understand the reasoning for my lack of consistency for the past two - threw weeks. But this week on, I have no excuses.
I was using a scapegoat by saying not going to the gym was the problem and ignoring the chocolate chip cookies I ate back home.
When was the last time you flew? They've upped the snacks on those flights... Actually good cookies and cakes.
Again, good point with the mask analogy. Duly noted.
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
Rule 12: Fatties can't recommend cookies and cakes.
Tyred_Biggums 6y ago
I used to fly a lot before covid. It’s very easy on the flight to not eat. You say “no” to the snacks. You’re addicted to sugar. Cut that out.
Track everything you eat and you’ll quickly become disgusted at what you’re consuming.
AlohaMaui808 6y ago
I can't tell if this is a joke, or not, but it damn sure isn't funny while you're at 215lbs at your height and lifts.
The last time I traveled for work and couldn't go to the gym? I lost 5lbs because I went OMAD IF and kept my calories under 1500 per day.
I like cookies. I like cakes. And I still occassionally will even eat them! (Like 2-3 times per month, 1 cookie or 1 thin slice of cake) But you know what I like a whole lot more than stuffing my cake hole?
The IOIs I get from my plates and even my ex when they look at and touch my body. They don't even say anything, they just look at my chest, or abs, or whatever it is, and smile, and run their hands over my body. My ex I catch staring when she thinks I'm not looking.
Even better than that? The way that I feel when I look at myself in the mirror, even though I'm still not where I want to be yet.
You're a fat, sedentary fuck who has no discipline in either diet or even basic goal tracking. How do you expect to successfully implement a MAP or pursue a Mission when you can't even take the basics halfway seriously?
Vonfahtz 6y ago
OYS #7
6'2, 200 lbs. BF \~ 14%, 30 y/o, LTR of 3+ years.
Lifts - Demonstrated or Estimated 1 RM from 5 rep:
BP: 225
OHP: 160
SQ: 354
DL: 365
Run 10k>40min
Reading: Sidebar completed, re-reading for internalization. All reads are on hold while I read Becoming a Supple Leopard by Kelly Starrett - absolute must read for injury prevention, mobility improvement, mechanics related to any athletic activity and/or navigating be a desk jockey. If you don't want to be a fragile old fuck into your last 10 years of your life, you should be reading a book like this one. Especially those of you who are juicing.
Physical:
Grind is on. Abs are showing up, but I wonder about my test levels sometimes. Stomach clings to fat. Diet has tightened up. Resuming team sports is going to be a fucking god send. Went paintballing this weekend, great hobby that I might take up - it combines a lot of desirable elements you'd want from a hobby. Cardio is rarely enjoyable unless you have some objective involved. Lighting up buddies with welts is always a worthy objective.
Social
Continuing to see improvements here. IOIs from women, quality friendships among many circles... just, fuck. Last week I posted some self-deprecating shit. On reflection, I see that I'm measuring myself as a person based on how my SO's hamster sees me, which is such a stupid idea. Holy fuck. The complex that mindset has caused me is visible now. Never again. I'll have some damage to undo, but I have internalized this, finally.
Relationship
I said that the tests would come last week, and they have. Passing most of them rather easy, as it should be. Except one shit test, where I had to tell her to fuck off. Followed the MMSLP tactic where you play the 'nice' card first. Gave an honest attempt to extract the anxiety out of her, give her the space she needed to get the feelz out. It was coming out well until the feelz came my way.
Facts or rational thinking don't matter in these situations. Only feelings do. It's tough to keep in mind that there are medical issues at work here - PMDD rooted in cPTSD and some other hormonal shit that was well hidden from me at the outset of our relationship - that it is no longer hidden is a pretty clear indicator of the diminishing of respect for me. She wouldn't come off her 'mean' card (which was 95% irrational), so I told her to fuck off, literally. After some alone time with her hamster, she came around and acknowledged the shitty behavior, as she usually does and was kind and receptive after. I'm learning to deal with the intensity of her moods, but I'm getting real tired of passing these shitty comfort tests for 1 week out of every
34-5. It shouldn't be this hard.I think it's time to up the Dread. Might be time to find a plate.
Mental
Coasting for a bit longer, cutting out all unnecessary comforts in August. At first I was resisting being in a lower gear, but I realize now I needed it. Enjoying some down time while I can. Worked my ass off for a decent stretch of time.
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
Do you plan on transferring the measurement of yourself as a person from your wife to a plate now?
Vonfahtz 6y ago
No. Though I got your point.
"Might be time to find a plate." = me LARPing. Of course you noticed it. If I do encounter a plate, it'd only ever be a catch and release scenario. The more likely scenario is I'd next her, and be alone. Essentially the root of that sentiment is the desire to give some kind of wake up call rooted in actions rather than some ineffective ultimatum. I can do better than someone who refuses to snap out of their anxious/depressive mindset. I'd just rather her snap out of it.
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
She won't snap out of shit until she has a Captain worth a shit.
Spoken from my own experience.
buttery-soft 6y ago
OYS 2
45(M) married to 40(SAHM) for 22 years. 4 kids age driving to baby.
Weight: 247 pounds, Height: 72 inches, Bodyfat: (27% Navy, 28% Strongur)
Lifting 6 days (6/6):
Dead Lift-305lbx5, Squat-245lbx5, Bench Press-240lbx5, Overhead Press-155lbx5
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Sidebar Reading: NNMNG, WISNIFG, MMSLP, Rational Male, Pook, Poon, MAP, Models, TWOSM, BPP Guide
Other Reading: Becoming a Supple Leopard (in progress)
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Emergency Omega Life Support Plan: B+
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Fitness:
Lost 8lbs and 2 inches from waist (45" to 43"). Upped weights on every lift. Added 20 lbs on squat, but could barely walk after for 3 days. I need to lose 37 more pounds to 210lb and up my weights 30 lbs to get to 18.5% bf and not be fat. This should take between 8 and 16 weeks. After that, it will take me another 8-10 weeks to do some combination of either losing 10lb to 200lb or upping weights 40lbs to get to 15%. Once I hit 15%, I will run a cycle of gear for 15 weeks and try to get my deadlift to 500 going up 10 lbs a week.
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Sexy Times:
I haven't been initiating much. The wife is usually drunk. When she goes off to watch TV, I ignore her. I did get laid once. I wasn't romantic at all. I grabbed her and said "Go in the bedroom and take of all your clothes." My directions were ignored, so I tried it 2 more times over the next half hour and then I took her by the hand into the room. I didn't even take off the clothes. I pulled the panties to the side under the dress and even though I went in without any foreplay or dirty talk, the pussy was soaked. I focused on pounding hard and fast for as long as I could, and then hard kegels and changing positions when I got too close. I managed to go for 25 min, which was enough to make her pass out afterwards. I realize I had something to prove, because I felt like I'd come off way too fast the last the last time. I know that caring about orgasms for women is a beta man trait. I feel great about sex when they come until they pass out , and lousy about it when they scuttle to the shower to finish themselves off. I care way too much about my sexual performance. I'm sure part of it is due to a lack of abundance mentality. Instead of viewing my presence and attention as the gift, I view a crippling orgasm as the gift. I have to make up for being a socially retarded chunker by developing my fucking skills. I will have a very hard time internalizing the notion that "I am the prize." until I actually am the prize.
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No More Mr. Nice:
There is a big part of me that REALLY wants to do all sorts of "thoughtful" and "considerate" things. I WANT to run and get a glass of water when the wife asks. I stop myself because these are repellent activities. But the problem is why the hell do I want to so bad? I realize these "thoughtful" things are not only unattractive, but lead to disrespect and outright contempt. So what's up with that? Deep down I still want to live in the Disney movie where "chivalrous" gestures generate female attraction and desire through the power of romance. I know that it doesn't work that way, I just can't stop wishing that it did. I am slowly increasing alpha behaviors and cues, but it is fake it till I make it. I realize I won't be able to think like an alpha unless I become one. This is going to take me years. Until then, "asshole" is the word I'll look for to keep me on track.
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Being the prize:
As I eradicate Mr. Omega, I've realized that my most pathetic shortcoming is not my morbidly fleshy waistline or inability to Deadlift 500 lbs, but my total lack of a social life. In my omega past where I never met a shit test I didn't epically fail, It became easier to avoid friendships than deal with the petty jealousy that came even with guy friends. Twenty years later, I've built my life and demeanor around avoiding connections with people. Covid 1984 puts a damper on turning over a new leaf that already felt insurmountable. I know that developing friendships will be the most difficult part of my journey, and a precursor to Dread Level 0.
My gym just opened back up yesterday, so that will be my first move. I already built a home gym, but going to the gym will give me a reason to leave the house every day, and a chance to interact with people outside my immediate family, plus there are some crazy old bodybuilders there that know shit. Scratch that, 3 hours after they opened, Governor Palpatine issued a closure edict from his royal throne.
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Omegaman:
I've picked a new omega habit to start eliminating: "Dressing down at home." I dress like shit at home, and since I'll be working from home for a while, this means I dress like shit all the time. I'm going to start building a casual wardrobe for home. Even gopnik track suits would be a step up. I'll report progress.
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
Jesus you're a fucking mess with a long way to go. Ok. You're here. Thank fucking God.
Tell me, why and which parts worked here? Can you calibrate what worked?
As long as you are a fat fuck, you will never feel like you are the gift. So instead you have a covert contract that says "If I fuck really well I'll be the gift". Problem is, fat fucks can't fuck well. They get out of breath, their fat stomachs make their dicks disappear, and women feel a man-FUPA bang against their thighs.
For you - being called an asshole at first for little shit is keyword for "my pussy is wet that you're not being a beta faggot and standing up for yourself". Just don't do shit on purpose to be called one - that's a Rambo move.
No, you most pathetic shortcoming is that you are such a lardass that you've given yourself permission to become one. Fix that first, then the social shit will fall into place more easily.
Focus on not being a fat fuck for 6 weeks. Stick with one thing.
Cloudy_Pirate 6y ago
And lo, a new nursery rhyme has been created. I look forward to reading your book.
buttery-soft 6y ago
I have internalized this.
My best guesses...(D&V)
Noted. I think it is even more comprehensive than you described. Corpulents are neutered head to toe by bodyfat. It literally aromatizes male hormones into female hormones. It fucks over your masculine nature to the very core. The reason fat men are so repellent is because its an outward sign of total internal corruption.
I don't think I have Rambo in me. I still have to stop myself from buying flowers for no reason at all.
Noted. That is my prime directive. I'm working to eliminate fat, and with it the related behaviors that stimulate my girth to flourish... Sitting, gaming, porn, drinking, and sleep deprivation
spez: formatting
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
No sitting?
Your fucking goal is "no sitting" and you didn't succeed.
Jesus christ are you the same dude who gets tired walking?
Madre mia.
p.s. Stop talking the way you talk. You sound like Ignatious J. Reilly.
buttery-soft 6y ago
You just want a shot with my feather duster.
jaackknives 6y ago
OYS # 11
34 yo, 6’1”, 170 lbs. Married 10 years, together 15 years. 1 kid (5). 11% B.F (Navy method). Total T: 608. Squat 185x5, Bench 160x5, Deadlift 265x3, OHP 105x4, PClean 135X3
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Reading
Completed WISNIFG, NMMNG, MMSL x2, SGM, TRM, MAP, Pook, Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck. Currently reading 48 LOP (Law 17), Bigger Leaner Stronger (22%).
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Health/Diet
Got in for a visit with a new PCP last week. Followed up with lab work to get my testosterone checked, which came back at 608 for Total T.
Had attempted to find maintenance caloric intake level last week. Tracked my macros everyday and kept to around my caloric goal, but ended up losing weight for the week. Raising my intake 500 calories per day for this week. My fat intake was too high and my carb intake too low for the first half of the week until I adjusted.
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Career / Finances
I had been moved to another team at work a couple of months ago, they swapped me with a senior member who was toxic to the team. Even though each of the other members of the team have more tenure by 4+ years than I do, I recently learned that I have a higher job rank than all of them. This gave me confidence, but it was also a moment of awakening, that I have to step it up further and begin to take the lead in some areas. I have a tendency to baby myself into a new position, it takes me months to feel confident in myself. I just have to trust in myself and my abilities and allow myself to make mistakes sometimes - being hesitant is what holds me back more than anything. I have a number of ideas for how we can improve our systems, and the freedom to begin implementing some of them as well. I’ve brainstormed a few of them with others on the team, however actions speak louder than words.
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Mental
I’m so glad I posted about my sad transactional hand jobs last week. The comments were helpful and pissed me off to no end. Pissed at myself. I was finally able to see more clearly the beta fuck I’ve been my entire life. Anger phase? Not sure. I wasn’t pissed off at my wife, my teachers, society, etc. Mostly at myself. I know I’ve read the Beginner's Guide For the Career Beta post 2-3 times in the past, and never found myself identifying with it much. I read that shit again this past week and was finally able to see that it hit me on so many points. I’m going to start re-reading some of the sidebar - if I was able to read that post and finally see myself reflected back, I know there’s a lot more that I will gain the second time. In some ways this was my initial design... often I read something once, then come back when I’ve got a higher-level view of the content and try to take it in more. I still feel aimless. My dancing monkey attraction program hasn’t gotten me very far. Maybe if I actually apply what I read in the sidebar I can improve myself.
I’ve also been doing a lot of stuff besides STFU lately, so I reset on that this past week. I know at some point I had tried to make my interactions more fun with my wife - just have fun and tease her. Over time this morphed into everything but STFU. I’m not sure where the balance is, so I guess I’ll just default to STFU until I can figure that out.
2wo2wo3hree 6y ago
OYS #4
SUMMARY I fucked up. I’m working on myself. Typical beta. Nice Guy traits led to “not so nice guy” rationalization to have a two year long affair for external validation which was eventually discovered in 9/19. Upon discovery, I decided to stay with my wife.
STATS
35yo, 6’3, 204lbs, 15%bf, BP: 230 5x5, OHP: 135 5x5, Back Squat: 235 5x5 DL: 315 2x5
Relationship:
Wife is 38, married 5 years, we have one three year old kid.
Reading:
NMMNG, MMSLP, WISNIFG, TWOTSM, MAP, POOK, TRM. Currently reading The Science of Trust.
PHYSICAL
I’m in good shape. I don’t need to talk about this. Nothing to see here.
MARRIAGE/SEX
I missed a few key factors I needed to consider in my relationship. I’m dealing with a depressive and anxious wife because of my affair. She’s dealing with the emotional damage, the possibility that I’ll do it again, or that I might just leave this time. That oversight is why I’ve been struggling with providing the feelz and failing the communication part of my marriage. Historically, I’ve fixated on passing shit tests but ignored passing “shitty comfort tests” by defaulting to “upping the alpha” traits which leads to negative events. Comfort tests are irritating to me. Instead of petting the puppy when it comes for attention, I have been pushing it away and causing it to turn against me.
It appears I’m interpreting bids for connection as a covert signal that I am neglectful when I don’t feel that I am, causing me to “D”eer by feeling defensive within myself. Although I don’t express defensiveness verbally, I feel it emotionally, and probably shows physiologically. I needed to fix that.
My course of action was not to drop alpha traits. Instead, I owned my shit harder and I raised my alpha behaviors even higher to cushion the beta behaviors I intended to introduce while I put more emphasis on giving ample amounts of comfort. Since this recalibration, I’ve heard positive feedback, but I ignore what I hear and pay close attention to my observations of her displayed behavior.
I saw a significant amount of submissiveness in terms of service to me, our household structure, and our sexual dynamic. She referred to me as “My King”. I woke up to coffee catered to my bed on multiple mornings. Decisions are being ran through me for my approval and sex is there when/if I want it.
Owning my shit harder and raising alpha traits removed most ways she validated herself to me. Her only options in receiving my validation is to behave well, look good for me, and pass the compliance tests I periodically put her through to reinforce submission and give me a chance to compliment and reward her. Otherwise, she would have no contribution or way to compliment my life. I know it & I think she’s picking up on it. Adding beta allows a soft place for the energy of her Feelz to bounce and be absorbed. All this is new. I like this setting and will focus on maintaining it and making it the norm. I’m not sure right now if it’s sustainable.
I fucked up and COMMUNICATED through text that I prefer to only text about logistics. (WHAT A FUCKING MORON!!!! I know!) We had a “sit down” where she told me how she “gets and understands why I prefer that way but she needs to hear from me and stay connected.” It opened a can of worms. What she wants is FREE and UNEARNED validation from me. This is stemming from the 5 love language books. She asserts that she needs words of affirmation from me. I’m not throwing undeserved compliments and affirmation around. That’s not happening. What I think I’ll do is just maintain the frame in that aspect of things as well by choosing what text I reply to, what topics I entertain, and when or if I even respond which I’ve already been doing lately. I stepped on my dick by going a little Rambo and verbally asserting a behavior from her, instead of just putting it in play, causing repetition to create a new behavior.
Aside from that little hiccup. I’m pleased with how this week turned out. It’s not time to stop working.
CAREER/FINANCES
Pretty steady on this side of things. Working extra for my personal funds.
PLAN
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
That sounds cool and apropos considering HOA's post though I think you're just dealing with a wife who's bothered by the fact that her husband committed adultery, something many people consider to be the biggest breach of trust out there.
Not judging. Not moralizing.
But rather than hanging your hat on the "wife is anxious and borderline," consider, for a moment, the even more plausible alternative. Unless, of course, you're that mythical man-beast - the dude who plays hercules in avengers - who can have any woman at any moment under any circumstances and they will all bow before his perfection.
threekindsoflucky 6y ago
Rule 9.
man_in_the_world 6y ago
You tried to negotiate with her to self-enforce your own boundary, because you find it difficult to enforce it yourself. This is really weak.
BTW, this is also why you resent comfort tests so much. You feel unable to refuse to give comfort or guilty for not giving it, and then feel resentment at being "forced" to give it. It's really just anger at your own Nice Guy weaknesses that you're projecting onto her instead of yourself (which is also typical Nice Guy behavior).
2wo2wo3hree 6y ago
“You tried to negotiate with her to self-enforce your own boundary, because you find it difficult to enforce it yourself. This is really weak.“
“You feel unable to refuse to give comfort or guilty for not giving it, and then feel resentment at being "forced" to give it.”
-I’ll try to pay close attention to this and try to catch myself in the moment.
Blarg_Risen 6y ago
Dont rambo it. Your wife gave you great sane feedback. Some guys' wives here respond to Rambo by hiding their keys and beating them. I see a great opening to lead via "I understand you need words of affirmation and though it may not be important to me, I see they are valuable to you. So when you do things I approve of (IE, my approval isn't free, it will be earned), I will make an effort to give those words."
Sound gay? Ok I'll "MRP" it: Praise your woman when she does good. Punish when she does bad.
Personally, I read 5 Love Languages. Got a lot from it. No not "you should do undeserved things for someone else in hopes they'll love you"...but instead "different people feel love and approval in different ways. The way you might feel it may seem unimportant to someone else. And the way you give it may seem unimpactful to someone else."
From this, it makes sense that communicating to each other what you value, and giving your love (when YOU feel you want to give it) in that medium will make for a great relationship. No one's saying do anything you don't want to. You don't want to give words of affirmation for free? Don't. You don't want to give them at all? Don't. But also own the consequences of that too.
2wo2wo3hree 6y ago
That’s the course I’m thinking about steering toward. I’ll stay tight on giving the praise to reinforce the behavior. Thanks!
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
Watch what they do, not what they say.
Your woman wants validation. This, you know.
Recently I had this exchange with my wife:
You've now put how you validate her on your terms. Guess what way that is? Make that positive mental feedback loop over and over for her and you'll train her in no time....
2wo2wo3hree 6y ago
Thank you! I needed that example. As stated in my OYS I fucking despise comfort tests. Im working on though.
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
Comfort tests are a way for her to say, "Please tell me this Alpha Man is still interested in me."
Try to flip your mental model.
I love comfort tests because it reminds me of how feminine and fragile women are. It's attractive to me as an act of submission that seeks the approval of a high value man.
elrojozul 6y ago
OYS 32
Stats: Age 42, separated from wife (38). 3 kids (5, 8, 10). Height: 5'9". Weight: 72.5kg (160lbs). Most recent 5/3/1 lifts - Bench 72.5kg (160lbs), OHP 50kg (110lbs), DL: 147.5kg (325lbs), squat 102.5kg (220lbs). Have read most of the sidebar at least once. Englishman living in Spain.
My OYS entries so far are a reflection of my mental mood when I write them. If I’m cheerful, I focus on the good parts of the week. If I’m feeling low, I either castigate myself (and promise to do better) or skip them altogether. Obviously this makes them of limited use.
Last week johneyapocalypse said that I was trying to do too many things at once and failing at them. That hit home, although not before I’d resisted it and thought that it was bullshit. While I’m feeling good I’ll make plans to change everything in my life: from tomorrow I’ll stop all the bad stuff and do all these new things (Wim Hof breathing! Fasting! No sugar! Read poetry! Write a novel! Start a podcast! Do yoga! Play the harmonica!). I’ll keep it up for a day or two and then the energy slips away and it all collapses. I need to build changes slowly. I’ve done that with the gym - that’s just something I do, I don’t have to think about it. So, for now my focus is on 2 of my red areas:
Separation
A couple of strange interactions with the ex this week. Last week she asked me which kind of phone I had; it turns out someone has been accessing her emails. “You can just ask me about relationship stuff if you want to know,” she said. It wasn’t me, thank fuck. I’ve stayed out of her business since we split last summer, but it would have been in character for the old married me. It made me very thankful that I’m not that guy anymore, though also it was odd to be reminded that I had been that guy.
Then, yesterday, she sent some messages apologising for her behaviour over the final year of our marriage (emotional affair -> physical affair, me “forgiving her”, her not breaking off contact with the guy: a whole mess) and saying that she’d been working through stuff with a therapist. I’m glad she’s doing that, she’s the mother of my children and I want her to be healthy for them, but the man she’s apologising to is long gone. It threw me a bit, but, again, I’m thankful that I’ve moved on a lot this year. I was also reminded of these changes when I had the office to myself one day this week. That happened a lot last summer, a time when I was desperately unhappy and clinging to sanity. Now, I just enjoy the peace of an empty office.
Physical
In the gym three times last week. I’d planned for 4 but we had a last-minute work day out paddle-surfing. Lifts are all going well, though I’m going to have to deload a little on the deadlift after 3 months of lockdown. Presses are at personal bests, so bodyweight exercises and Simple and Sinister did the trick.
Think I’ve been putting on weight too quickly and have gained too much fat. Since last week I’ve been doing 16/8 IF. Will keep an eye on the scales.
Spanish
I live in Spain but work in English. Lack of confidence in speaking Spanish has been an excuse not to increase my sociability and friendship circle. I’m working my way through a Spanish course, a little each day, and have been watching Spanish movies and TV with Spanish subtitles. Before I’d only watched things with English subtitles, but it turns out that I can follow enough to not need them.
I’ll keep up the course and the Spanish films this week.
Reading
I’m reading too many books and not applying enough of their wisdom. In addition to 48 LoP and PoN I reread Cal Newport’s Digital Minimalism. Too much. Slow down. Action over reading.
Friends/social
Good online relationships. No new face-to-face. Paddlesurfing and lunch with colleagues on Friday, which was a lot of fun.
Taking the pressure off myself to expand my social life this week. Just going to focus on my two shittest areas: smoking and living environment.
Family
New summer timetable between me and the ex means that I’m now working 4 days a week for the next couple of months, having my kids on the other 3 (she has 3 nights with them, I have 4). This weekend was fun, although after 3 days and nights with 3 kids I’m ready for a break from them. We’re doing stuff together, like cooking and gardening and pull-ups, though I’m finding it harder to connect with my 10 year old, who is less motivated by the idea of simply being with Dad. Still, we’re talking about Ancient Greece (an interest for us both) and he showed me how to play Zelda. Some progress here.
Dating
Off all the apps for a while. Not a priority.
Work
All fine. Basically autopilot here, but that’s fine for now. Have had glowing feedback from a couple of our clients about my work, so there’s that.
Shit not being owned:
Smoking tobacco and weed
Admin - made some progress on boring admin at the weekend. This week I’ll timetable a couple of hours to clear stuff.
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
How the fuck can you live in spain and not be able to speak spanish?
You're a novelty there - take advantage of it.
You should be hitting the metro every god damn day.
Explore. Christ you know how fantastic spain is?
Apparently you don't since you sit around smoking pot all goddamn day.
Just don't wear a fucking maga hat.
Stop smoking pot pussy.
elrojozul 6y ago
Urgh. OK. Thanks for the kick up the arse.
I had some of that spirit pre-lockdown but had lost touch with it. You're right, of course.
weakandsensitive 6y ago
Why not do an actual in person language learning course?
elrojozul 6y ago
Yeah, this seems really obvious, doesn't it? I looked last year but couldn't find one which fit my timetable. I'll look again. Thanks for pointing out the obvious solution here.
Idigabighole 6y ago
OYS #1
STATS 42, Married 3 kids all teens. 6'0 190 lbs, no BF % yet. DL 225. SQ 185 BP 135. Read: NMMNG, MMSLP, DBF, Way Of Men. Reading: WISNIFG, Dune.
PHYSICAL Yeah I've got a lot of fucking work ahead of me. Dgaf when I hit the iron everything else fades for an hour or so. Out on a solo camping trip and did a 2400 ft elevation hike and ive never felt so keenly how much I've let shit go. Still powered up to the summit, despite many rest breaks. Weights dropping though and ive gotten control of my cravings for the holy trinity of weight gain. Even gotten a few compliments. Matters not only what I see and I see much work ahead of me. EDIT: I also crumbled and bought a pack of smokes after a particularly heinous shit test fail.
MENTAL Starting on RP has hit me with a wave of realizations of exactly how long and how ingrained my beta behavior has been. My first post here was 'RP that somehow became BP.' Utter horseshit. I was never RP I was just good at fucking girls. I had no frame, no mission, no awareness. Realizing that has made me fucking angry. Like rage to tears at times. Raised by a single mom and 3 sisters. No male influences at all. Do the math. That a victim puke? It used to be. Now all I feel is rage at the years ive wasted and the potential squandered. Working on developing and keeping frame. Continually reminding myself that this is about fucking ME and to stop seeking validation.
RELATIONSHIPS Throughout the years all my best friends moved to other places. Having contented myself with calling the wife 'best friend' I made no real efforts to make new ones. So, ive been looking for things to join. Book clubs, an MMA class. Anything. Haven't done it yet though, although I have a point of driving to spend time with a few of these guys. Signed up for a bike course to get my bike license next month because ive always wanted to. Currently out on a solo camp to get back in touch with the most important person in my life.
FINANCIAL Pretty good shape really. I make around 170K a year. I have %150 stock savings/ RRSP matching. CC debt steadily being payed down. Several larger pieces of debt will be gone with the next 2 years. I want more though. Several friends have recently gotten into FOREX trading but the whole thing sounds like a pyramid scheme to me with rather small returns. I'd rather look into a business I can see and touch.
MARRIAGE I could write a book but ill keep it brief. Sex is plain and vanilla except for a session here and there. No BJs. No HJs. I just hop on top, she cums I cum done. Even positions other than missionary are rare. I've noticed with my weight loss that she has some mild dread but then I fail a shit test and have to start over again. Moving into some kino. Trying to STFU but cant seem to get out of my own way at times. The anger is always just under the surface and my frame crumbles. Getting better but still miles to go. Feel like a baby learning to walk. I will say that a post I read (cant remember who) about just FUCKING your wife seemed interesting so I tried it. Just fucked her with only my needs in mind and we fucked 3 times that night. Touched on a mental state during that was pretty eye opening. EDIT: I tried sexting her last night with pretty much zero response. During what is supposed to be my time. So I fucked that up.
OVERALL I feel like a baby taking his first steps, but I believe in what I'm reading and seeing. It makes such brutal sense all of it. In my anger phase and its significant and hard. If it was though then every man would do it. I'm in it for good.
man_in_the_world 6y ago
LOL. All talk; no action.
Come back when you're ready to OYS and actually DO something.
Idigabighole 6y ago
Getting out has to start somewhere. But you're right.
Idigabighole 6y ago
Btw your post about sex and validation is a great read. Truth hurts.
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
You tell him you want a reach-around, dude. Better to be straightforward.
man_in_the_world 6y ago
I'm happy to hear you found it worthwhile.
weakandsensitive 6y ago
You don't understand it, therefore it can't be a you problem, it must be a someone else problem. Instead of educating yourself about how forex works (www.babypips.com), you just dismiss it as a scam. What a douchebag attitude.
Should I be impressed?
Idigabighole 6y ago
I didn't say that. Its an honest statement of my finances.
I have no interest in learning FOREX. That better?
weakandsensitive 6y ago
Why do I give a fuck about some you being a broke motherfucker?
You've already shown you're an ignorant fuck. Embrace it instead of walking it back.
Idigabighole 6y ago
The idea here is constructive brutal feedback i thought. If I'm not interested in it then I'm not. If its good for you then good.
Where on earth did you get the idea that im broke?
weakandsensitive 6y ago
then shut the fuck up and stop responding.
you're either broke or a financial idiot. i went with the more generous assumption.
Idigabighole 6y ago
Based on what exactly? A few grand worth of renos that will be paid in 3 months? Don't worry its fine.
Dont get mad because I don't value your golden goose. My main issue is the betafeelz cage ive locked myself into, lack of frame and no mission. Address that instead.
weakandsensitive 6y ago
No.
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
dont be so sensitive.
Idigabighole 6y ago
Its a work in progress. You wouldn't believe some of the bitch shit I'm guilty of. Wait yes you would.
weakandsensitive 6y ago
You talk too fucking much.
MRP5248 6y ago
Age - 34. Weight - 150. Height - 5'10" Lifts 5RM - Squat 205, Deadlift 255, Row 135, Bench Press 155. Reading - NMMNG, MMSLP, WISNIFG, Book of Pook, WotSM, MAP. Relationship - Married 9 years, 5 year old son, 2 year old son.
Mission - To be the leader of myself and my family. To be a role model to my sons. To be fit and strong. To value experiences over things. To be really damn good at the work I do.
Physical - Following 531 Forever BBB routine. Lifts are increasing and injury free.
Tracking calories and protein. Last week, I started meal prepping my lunch on Sunday and Wednesday to help target my lunches. Just need to keep working on consistency every day.
Career - Need to keep working on my career outside of my day job. I work at home two days a week, so I'll take some time then to work on career projects. Easy to get too comfortable and think you'll have a certain job forever. It's a false sense of security.
Financial - No major issues here.
Social - I went on a guys camping trip this weekend. I planned the date, booked the cabin, etc. It was great to have a weekend without wife and kids. Helped me remember what I was like without kids. I'm my own man and my identity isn't just a father or husband. Reminds me of NMMNG and how crucial it is to connect with other guys.
When I was driving home, I started to feel a sense of guilt that I had fun while my wife watched our kids. I started to think how I could return the favor with suggesting she get together with her friends or offering to watch the kids next weekend.
I realized this and told myself that's bullshit and I don't need to feel guilty for doing something for myself. Instead, when I got home, I shared how I had an awesome trip, thanked her for watching the kids, and went about life.
I'm happy that I had the self-awareness to notice I was feeling guilty for doing something for myself and trying to stop that habit. I'm happy that I stepped up and took the lead in organizing this trip.
Marriage / Sex - Our anniversary was last week. Because of COVID, we celebrated at home by dressing up, ordering carry out, and having dinner alone while kids were watching a movie. Sex was good this week. I'm getting and giving oral sex as part of foreplay, which wasn't typical before MRP. I'm rarely getting a hard no. Dirty talk, spanking, cumming on her, and other sex acts are on the table that weren't early in our relationship.
Many nights, I initiate and my wife says "So, we're having sex now?" in a matter of fact or playful voice. She finishes folding laundry or finishes that email, goes to the bathroom, and heads to the bedroom. I get the sense that sex is still a to-do list item and she's having sex out of a sense of wifely duty. I'm not getting starfish sex though and I enjoy what we do during sex. I'll take it for now as I increase my SMV over the next year.
I need to keep up with gaming her every day throughout the day. That's part of the problem. I am hit or miss on this. Somedays I remember to flirt, talk sexually, comment on her ass, etc. Other days, I just go about my day not even thinking about it. I need to game her to build sexual tension leading up to the initiation.
Thanks for the advice last week on spanking. I need to read SGM to keep escalating our sex life and adding dominance.
I'm still masturbating once / twice a week to porn. It's a habit I need to break. It's not even that enjoyable, sex is better.
Current Goals
Same goals as last week. I have other goals as well about porn, masturbation, browsing reddit, etc. However, I need to just focus on only a few goals at once. I'm focused on lifting and eating for July and August.
NMMNG Breaking Free #3
Many things on the list in NMMNG did resonate with me and I added a few of my own. I've been working on doing things for myself, not for anyone else's approval / satisfaction. I work hard to feed myself. I dress well for myself, I clean house because I want a clean house. Other things like avoiding topics or not offending people, I'm trying to just stop those behaviors.
That's my OYS and Breaking Free for this week.
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
If she's finishing up the laundry, your initiations are weak. Why are you initiating in a weak manner if you want to fuck?
MRP5248 6y ago
Yes, it's my problem and I am still weak at game / initiating. She often wants to take a few minutes to finish the task she's doing - "Let me finish folding this laundry." "Let me finish reading this page." "Okay, just give me a minute for XYZ." Then, once we're upstairs, I like the sex we have. It's not an issue of that leading up to starfish.
Next time, I will try initiating more strongly. I'll take the laundry basket and set it aside, then initiate. I'll close the computer, etc.
Also, I will read up on game to improve my initiations. When you said initiate in a weak manner, I realized I had a hard time thinking of what it means to initiate in a strong manner. Yes, I'm a faggot. I'll look to the sidebar for help. MMSLP was helpful, I will reread that and look for other sources.
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
When you've got game, initiating in a "strong manner" is easy. It's like a lion playing with it's food before it goes in for the kill. You're right to draw the correlation.
ragnar_114 6y ago
OYS5 (previous)
Me: Age 34, height 6', weight 179 lbs, 13.3% bf
STBXW: Age 32, married 3 years, together 8, no kids, separated
Lifts (pre-covid): SL5x5 lbs SQ 245, DL 300, BN 195, RW 155, OP 115
Read: NMMNG, WISNIFG, MMSLP, TRM, TWOTSM, POON, POOK, BLS, MAP, MM, 12RFL (20%)
Purpose: 1) Be the best version of myself. 2) Find meaning in my life.
Mental
I had a couple of moments this past week where I looked back on memories and thought about what the future could have been. This led to more feelings of resentment, anger, suffering, loneliness, and regrets. I am still holding onto the past, still have a lot of emotions of both love/hate, and I have been avoiding my fears instead of confronting them directly. I realize I waste a lot of time and energy doing this, distracts me during the day and keeps up at night. I need to work on this.
Read more of 12 Rules for Life and one section that resonated with me was "rescuing the damned". My marriage had turned into something along the lines of me being the rescuer and my STBXW being a victim. I think it comes down to my BP conditioning, feelings that I don't deserve success, avoidance of responsibility. From 12RFL:
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Physical
I continue to get by with my home gym, tracking progress, and overloading. Did a few sessions of boxing and cycling which felt great. Also put together a PT workout plan to fix some lower body pain, gotta take care of your body.
Trying to hit and maintain 13.0% bf this week, sticking tight with my 2,000 caloric intake while throwing in some more cardio.
Career/Finances
I got a 2nd job offer which is actually pretty decent and I may end up taking it. Happy with that but still waiting on a 3rd offer which should be better, expecting to hear back this week. Going to make a decision soon and want to start ASAP so that I could get back into a schedule, have an income, and start grinding.
Relationship
Maintaining NC with STBXW except for logistics, she does try to reach out with a nice message occasionally but I still get filled with negative emotions.
Social
I set up a hiking event with some friends, dealt with challenging logistical issues, uncertainty, the members of the group had some anxiety and doubt but I pushed forward, had a plan, prepared, assigned tasks to others, and it turned out to be a really fun time. This was a good feeling and took some oppty for leadership, definitely want to continue this momentum.
Got some IOIs from friend's LTRs, commenting on my looks, past achievements, flirting a bit, asking lots of questions, comparing their LTRs to me, etc. This made me uncomfortable... Not sure how to handle these situations best. I try to downplay, deflect, ignore, boundary, and prop up my bros. It's like I'm on the other end of a shit test/hypergamy and noticing this annoys (probably cause that is what my STBXW used to do).
I need to get better at controlling emotions and building up that social skill that I've let get very weak over the years. Some things trigger me and I end up reacting with too much investment. Some things I don't articulate very well and it gets misinterpreted. I have a lot of room to improve with being more authentic and present while handling the room. Keep things light with women, talk about serious shit with the guys, work on inner-game.
SorcererKing 6y ago
Paging Captain Save-A-Ho.
Have you read this?
ragnar_114 6y ago
I read it a few times, really good write up. Seems like I fall back into the anger/depression phase multiple times recently. I need to work on moving towards acceptance.
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
Two ways I've dealt with this:
1) When someone gives me a genuine compliment, I say thank you. That's all.
2) I'm authentically a masculine male in response with -zero- fucks given no matter if the person is a dude or a girl. "Oh your arms are looking bigger, Horns. You been lifting weights?".... My response: "Of course I have - how am I going to pin my next girl down to the bed 50 shades style?" while laughing. Because that shit is funny to talk about and harmless.
The key? Authenticity to who you are.
You'd be amazed at how they might open the next door for you.... "Oh, well I can understand that... have you met my friend Stacy?"
ragnar_114 6y ago
Good points, I need to accept compliments without feeling bad or ashamed about it. Also, I can't control if my bros LTR decides to flirt with me but I can only control my response.
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
When given a compliment you have two choices: accept it or reject it.
Guess what happens if you don't accept it? Inside you self-deprecate, and everyone reads through it.
Iron Rule of Tomassi #9
Never Self-Deprecate under any circumstance. This is a Kiss of Death that you self-initiate and is the antithesis of the Prize Mentality.
Self-Depreciation is a misguided tool for the AFC, and not something that would even occur to an Alpha.
RedBackedBadger 6y ago
OYS 29: Mid 30’s, 6’ 187lb, BF13%, Separated, one kid 3yrs (f)
BF - I took 5 measurements for each site and used the average in a 3point Jackson calculator. I did it in the morning before breakfast so not sure if that throws the results. I weight myself in the morning after having a piss.
Week Goals
Reading: MMSLP, MAP, Side Bar, Unchained male, models, The Eagle and the Dragon, WOTSM, WISNIFG, The dating playbook for men, The subtle art of not giving a fuck, The Rational Male, Awareness, NMMNG(x2), sex god method, Pook 15%, Meditation Book (40%), no more bad kids (30%).
Physical: Be strong, fit, powerful and injury free into old age.
Weights – three
I hit my target BF of equal to or less than 13%. I am going to go keep going and see how that looks. Aim for 11% then reassess.
Separation:
Continuing with mediation – ex is coming up with what she wants in response to what I suggested. I can see she is going to ask for more than she would get in court. If I avoid court, I avoid risk so I will have to factor that in and not sway too far towards giving in to avoid risk and digging my heals in because I could get a little bit more.
Mental/Mindset: Express myself authentically.
Performance Anxiety – I would appreciate any input here from guys who have had this issue, it’s starting to get to me. Initially I had issues with new girls and using condoms and started using Viagra. Recently I started sleeping with this girl I quite like without condoms (need to own some shit right there) and I am still get it.
I worry about being hard, then I get an adrenaline dump and then I can’t get out of my head about not being hard. I get so focused on ‘being hard’ that I’m not paying any attention to or enjoying what I am doing and the whole situation moves from enjoyable to stressful. I get thoughts like:
The issue is psychological (although recently my morning wood hasn’t been as hard/existent and I think stress is an issue) however that is only recently and this was happening before that. I am considering just using Cialis/Viagra while I build myself up and deal with other stressors but I feel ‘bad’ about that, like I shouldn’t need to use it etc. Also, I’m just avoiding the actual issue, but I don’t want to completely ingrain it while I’m also stressed from other things and make it harder when I do address it. I would like to get to a point where I legitimate don’t care but I’m just not there are even close yet.
Thinking about what Blarg_Risen wrote last week, I should just focus on what gives me value and I would have less issues but I’m struggling to think of that in the moment. Has anybody managed this before? Any ideas on what to do, resources etc? I heard about Coping With Erectile Dysfunction: How to Regain Confidence & Enjoy Great Sex – anybody read it? Am I just overcooking this whole thing? It’s probably more about mindfulness and enjoying the moment more than anything else.
Stress - I have been feeling stressed lately, particularly about the above issue, and when falling asleep, I felt myself ‘let go’ the amount of stress release was amazing, I had no idea how much shit I was carrying around. I am wondering if I need to focus on this again and go deeper into relaxing into life. I clearly have massive issues with worth, my own frame etc but I think part of this is that I overthink it all, I forget to just ‘live’. I have been waking with a start multiple times some nights and I think I just need to acknowledge this and implement stress reduction activities. I get trapped in thinking I ‘shouldn’t’ need to do that, I ‘should’ be able to grind harder now. Curiosity mindset = that’s interesting, I’m waking with a fight/flight response, feeling overwhelm and struggling to get hard, I’ll try meditation, giving myself a ‘break’ and checking T levels and see what I find out.
Part of this is finding it hard to accept my ‘lack of success’ I judge myself harshly and I’m finding it hard to be ‘ok with where I am’.
Relaxation – one of my items from MAP was fake relaxation. Sure watching a movie is relaxing once in a while, but it’s not ‘relaxing’. I have made a list of properly relaxing things and will try them.
Comment on my failure as a person – I’m seeing more clearly, how my fear of things not working, is related to any failure being generalized to ‘I am a failure’ ‘I am not good enough’ and how this creates an enormous amount of stress. It moves me towards living in fear and away from any philosophies version of ‘the way’. It also makes the performance anxiety worse.
Self worth / value to me - Thinking about Blargs comment about self-worth last week and it really resonates with me. I want to look at the world from the perspective of value to me.
Misc:
tspitsatgp 6y ago
For the first time in my life I started to have some issues with my dick not getting hard post separation. Could barely get it hard for a wank, but morning wood was still frequent. It hadn’t been an issue for ONS’s during the final few months of my dumpster marriage but there was something illicit about those that got me hard.
Anyway, then I remembered the only other time in my life where I had trouble getting hard: the first time I had sex (and probably the few times after that). Helped me realise it was just my brain adjusting to a new operating environment.
Have lots of sex, get comfortable in your new life, it’ll sort itself out with time.
RedBackedBadger 6y ago
I suspect this is probably true IF I can avoid taking it onboard as some comment on me being insufficient as a man etc.
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
Yes, it is. Blarg gave some good advice. Use your frame, not hers. I'll add - drop the viagra, get cialis and use it daily. I take 5mg and haven't had any ED issues before and it's a gamechanger. I get hard if the wind blows funny.
Also, I find that when I'm being overly dominant from my frame and pushing into hers during sex it makes me last longer. Thinking something along the lines of "I'm going to fuck the ever-loving shit out of you." Try saying it in your head.
RedBackedBadger 6y ago
Sex is something that can go either way for me, when I'm in my frame and just doing what I want it works great, when I start second guessing it does not. I assume as I develop more the second guessing will happen less. Either way, I'll care less.
With the Cialis, I will do that if its an ongoing issue. I am concerned it will allow me to avoid the issue rather than being forced to address it.
Blarg_Risen 6y ago
Do you have any posts on anxious depressed dudes? This guy reminds me of Tweek from South Park.
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
LOL... The secret is those posts are all about the dude. Not her.
RedBackedBadger 6y ago
Spot on - I have always lived in my head, and constantly looked for any sign of disapproval from others. Basically tried to hide away so nobody would notice. Then enter anxiety and depression. Surprisingly, this is probably the best I have been in a long time!
InChargeMan 6y ago
While I can't say I've experienced any ED issues, I can give my 2 cents. As you indicated your mental focus is so much on the ED that it manifests. Much of that is due to you being out of your own frame, worried about what she will think. Try to not take sex so seriously, just focus on having fun. Also, don't think like a man when imagining her reaction. If anything a woman will get dread if you occasionally have trouble getting hard (assuming you are a man of value to her).
If things don't go the way you want, just keep it lighthearted, and move to something else fun. Mostly women in LTR are doing the sex because they want to keep a high value man satisfied. Show her that it isn't a big deal, that you are satisfied, have some fun, then move on to other fun stuff. "I dunno babe, I guess it means 6 more weeks of winter."
RedBackedBadger 6y ago
All of that makes sense, It 100% is in my head. I see it sort of as a barometer of my 'frame'. On a positive I just fucked her. I got the normal Adrenalin dump and got pissed at myself. She was good about it, I got over it, I touched her because I wanted to, I got hard and didn't immediately try to put it in her, I just noticed that I was hard and might go soft and enjoyed being hard, then I fucked her.
[deleted] 6y ago
Everybody got that?
Blarg_Risen 6y ago
Haha there he is. I was thinking about messaging you the other day. How'd the hiatus go?
[deleted] 6y ago
Mixed results I guess. Drop me a DM sometime.
MonkModeActive 6y ago
I agree with the above. This sounds like it is entirely in your head. Enjoy the moment and don't give a second thought to her satisfaction.
Blarg_Risen 6y ago
Teaser idea that's been floating in my head: She doesn't care about her satisfaction either lol. She cares about your satisfaction.
TheActionNerd 6y ago
I have the exact same problem with performance anxiety and ED. It happened when I first had sex with my now wife, and it still occasionally rears its head with my wife, while I'm married. I shouldn't have this anxiety, yet I do. As you identify, it's entirely a mental thing as I put pressure on myself to perform. I worry that this is my only chance to fuck her good this week so I have to make it count, or she's not into it so I need to fuck her good, etc. Still a dancing monkey.
I've heard all the theory about relaxing, to focus on myself and enjoying the moment, etc. But rationalising that to myself, doesn't even help and can actually be detrimental as it leads to internal self-deprecation. Why is it so hard for me to be relaxed? If you can rationalise it, go for your life but I doubt any of this self-talk is something new to you.
In the short term, I would suggest just cheating and using viagra/cialis the first few times (but don't build a psychological dependency). Another trick to relieve some pressure that you put on yourself may be to just tell yourself on the first sexual encounter you'll only finger bang her (don't oral on first few sexual encounters, you don't know where they've been). It may escalate after that, but then at least in your mind you may have convinced yourself that you've already satisfied her. If you have the internal plan to finger bang into PIV sex though, you may put yourself back into the same performance anxieties. Yes this will mean you're dancing for validation but I guess you wouldn't have this problem if you weren't validation seeking. Just don't get tied into a new LTR until you fix your mindsets.
I'm still working on my mindsets and would suggest working on your self-esteem/self-worth via books such as the six pillars of self-esteem. My thoughts on this is that to find MRP and put in the work, it takes a guy willing to put in the effort. For the really successful guys in MRP, they likely had an area of their life such as their career or in lifting where they are absolutely killing it already. Whether from a point of reference or just a healthier upbringing, they had a baseline of confidence and self-esteem, and just had to learn to apply that frame to their personal life. For guys who don't have that point of reference, there's likely underlying self-esteem issues that prevent them from truly being successful. I.e. a lack of abundance mentality (applies to both women and life). You're going to need to put in that extra work and time to improve your baseline self-esteem.
One of the earliest lessons of red pill is that you are the prize. But without self-esteem, when you tell yourself that, a part of you will not believe it. But still, you need to tell yourself that you are the prize every day, and work a little bit every day to prove that to your internal voice. One day, you won't even need to tell yourself that you are the prize because you'll just know.
RedBackedBadger 6y ago
I literally get an adrenalin dump, at that point rationalistic is pointless, however it is helpful in how I respond to not being hard.
I'm going to do this with new girls, mostly because condoms make it worse.
Exactly what just happened with her, trying to trick myself with 'we wont have sex' but secretly planning to have sex. Then I legitimately got over it and all good again.
Thanks I will check it out, actually your prior OYS have put me off that one abit as you said it was taking an hour a day which I wanted to use on other things.
Side note, see my reply to InChargeMan - might help you. Just getting hard and noticing that, enjoying it and not immediately trying to fuck her. Maybe not, who knows, they are my notes.
Another thing I am only just seeing, is a guy who occasionally cant get it up isn't going to be seen as low value, its in conjunction with everything else. In my head, all my worth is attached to performance at all times and hence the pressure.
Blarg_Risen 6y ago
Haha god there's a word for this in my head and I just cannot find it. Hedging is the best I can think of. Rollo Tomassi did it ALL THE TIME. "This is the case, but if its not then this special condition applies. But if not then this other special condition applies."
"Im not a failure because I can get it up. But if I can't get it up that's ok because we weren't going to have sex anyway. But if we were then I'm still the prize. But if I'm not it's just a psychological thing, it's not like I'm low value."
What if you could just be OK with being a guy who is currently facing an issue and working on it? Incels complain that we live in a world where men are forced to bottle themselves up but then when you go and have a problem thats exactly what you do by choice! You do and say anything you can to put on a different face, or hedge it, or say "its not about that problem."
What if, just like being able to admit you're angry and out of control and develop mental models to handle that you were able to say "shit...this happens sometimes. I'm working on that."
You think Chad, you think the prize in your head is ALWAYS on. He ALWAYS has a line. He's ALWAYS calm and cool. He ALWAYS gets hard. Damn Chad is badass.
Now come back to reality where bad shit happens sometimes and meet Tad. Tad is Chad's little brother. Tad really wants to be Chad. But he never will. But Tad has something Chad never will: Tools to use when things go wrong. Damn wouldn't that just be badass? To look a woman or the world in the eye with a fucking limp dick and say "I'm flawed. I'm working on it."
You want to know what being authentic is to me? Being authentic in its purest form is giving to the world freely, and receiving from it freely too. "In order to truly be at peace, you have to be able to receive back unconditionally too, even if that means receiving negativity.". To look a woman or the world in the eye and say "I'm flawed. I'm working on it."...and receive whatever it is she has coming for you. Maybe she laughs with outright contempt. Maybe she embarrassingly withdraws to protect her ego. Maybe, fucking maybe she goes "oh don't worry about it".
Maybe, just fucking maybe (and I'll quote my post about a successful mindset again here) she's flawed too. Maybe in her head, just like you think you need to be Chad, she thinks you need to be Chad too. You think that's a healthy outlook? You think it spawns healthy mental models when your woman thinks you need to be Chad and not Tad?
No! It spawns terrible mental models where she resents you and/or youre conned into putting up a facade for the rest of your life, like a dancing monkey, to keep her Disney dream of Prince Chad Charming alive. Kill her puppy! "Sorry babe you wanted a first class yacht to get to your destination? Well its a little beat up, stinky, and greasy but what you got is a God damn aircraft carrier and we're probably going to have to sail through hostile territory to get where we wanna go. You in? Or out?"
I've been there man. With my own wife. And I've tried to be Chad, who then flounders about not knowing what to do when my dick won't get hard, and making excuses. And then I fucking owned it like Tad, and said "Fuck, I guess we're not having sex today. My bad. I'm working on that."
And make no mistake I worked on it. But guess what? Most of it was psychological. And the mere fact that I could be ok with failing, allowed me to not fear failing.
Tyred_Biggums 6y ago
The Chad you described is a pipe dream. Eventually he will get hit by something. The thing is if Chad doesn’t have those tools to overcome it then he’s in for a rough time. That’s when Chad becomes angry or starts drinking.
Embracing the vulnerability you described with the OI attitude of “here’s who I am, flaws and all. If you don’t like that about me, no big deal, we will part ways”.
There’s something pretty damn human about not being perfect, being ok with it, and striving to be better. And when you accept thatmindset the anxiety vanishes.
RedBackedBadger 6y ago
This and your comments u/Tyred_Biggums are fucking spot on. I'm rationalizing my way into my flaw not being a flaw rather than learning to be ok and deal with my imperfections - this one or others. That is a much better mental model. It links into that stress I said I was carrying around in my OYS, when I let go of the expectation that I will not have flaws/be perfect etc...fuck...the relief.
I'm going to spend some time thinking on this.
TheActionNerd 6y ago
I see this as a macro problem rather than a micro problem. In each specific situation (micro), I might be able to get hard and have a good experience through a variety of things that might occur or I calm down, etc. But in the long run (macro), I still have underlying issues that need to be resolved such that these micro problems don't pop up as often.
I think the importance of self-esteem is underspoken, and underlies everything we do. PreMRP, guys are lazy and we get pushed around by our wife's frame. There is no positive reinforcement. At MRP, we are told to lift and own your shit. These are both sources of positive reinforcement as we as men are actually doing something. As you do, you gain confidence in your ability.
I've decided to prioritise working on my self-esteem directly through this form of self-therapy and the book is worthwhile for that even if you don't want to do the sentence completion exercises. It takes me 1 hour because I stubbornly decided to 24 sentence completions a day. You can just do a lighter version and do 4 sentence completions a day as per his program here. I'm still struggling to make time for it but I know it's as important as meditating or visualisation so I persist.
I want to internalise that I am worthy regardless of what happens, hence I won't have this performance anxiety. Or I will have a healthy frame around it when shit happens.
RedBackedBadger 6y ago
Yeah I get this, and I'm probably not the right person to question it all things considered. But, it seems this approach is coming at it from the wrong direction. Similar to my rationalizing it above, rather than I am imperfect and that is ok, it's approaching it from the perspective of I am ok in spite of my imperfections - which are still a problem.
Either way, I will check out the book.
Blarg_Risen 6y ago
First...fuck you. Do your own work. Read it and put in your OYS if it was worth it.
I have some advice but I'd like to frame it in another way. Your OYS directly above this says:
So are you being authentic with your ED here? Think on this during one of your meditation sessions. What do I mean by that? Which brings me to:
I dunno about you man, but 10 minutes is the minimum time I need to quiet my brain so I can START meditation. Are you sure you're just not sitting there quietly for 10 minutes and phoning it in?
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
Lol.
RedBackedBadger 6y ago
I might, but after reading these comments I think I need to focus more on myself, this is not actually about ED. Either way I'll look into it. Recommending books is pretty standard, seems reasonable to ask.
No, firstly it's happening because of inauthentic emotion, it is fear driven. I am not expressing my authentic desire, I am trying to hide my vulnerability rather then express my desire. Secondly, I beat myself up and make it a bigger deal than it is so they wont do it. I hit myself first so to speak. Thirdly, this is all based on insecurity, the fear that 'I am not enough/ok as I am'.
Number two is something I can address, I'm not sure how to address the others. For now, just time and keep on the path.
Yes I am. LARP. Initially it was 10min of self compassion mediation which was working quite well, along with longer 20min mindfulness...recently it has been 10min of waiting for my timer so I can tick it off.
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
How long is your average meditation session? Mine averages 20 minutes. Like you, 10 minutes to start, 10 minutes to really be "in it" and I'm set.
MonkModeActive 6y ago
I used the guided sessions from Headspace.com which I found to be a great way of getting in the zone quickly. Twenty minutes is my sweet spot.
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
Calm is free for AMEX cardholders. Not as good as headspace but pretty darn good. I like the capability to time the meditations from 10-45min
Blarg_Risen 6y ago
20 - 40min. Sometimes I'll come back to reality but wait, and in another 5-10 min go back in for round 2 leading to the 40 min sessions.
RedBackedBadger 6y ago
How many times a week are you meditating?
MonkModeActive 6y ago
If you're getting into it, suggest every day. Plenty of providers have ten day free trials with guided sessions.
Delusi0ns0fGrandeur 6y ago
OYS 3
Late 30s, 5'9”. 169lbs, 15%bf. Married 6 years, 3 kids ages 2-8.
Current lifts 5x5: squat 225# (cant squat right now), bench 145#, deadlift 225# (cant Deadlift right now, ohp 100#, Row 145#.
Read / listened. NMMNG, Rational Male, WISNIFG, working through sidebar.
Read this week. First 100 pages of SGM.
I’m watching / listening to YouTube Vids while I’m in the office. I listened to all of Richard Coopers RedPill playlist and now listening to Rian Stone. Starting with the Sidebar series. His understanding on NMMNG is great. Much deeper than me.
u/HornsOfApathy first post on Depressive and Anxious Wives: How it's all your fault
My MAP/ Mission:
I realized this week that what I’ve written for this is Bullshit. It’s just buzzwords. Nothing authentic and it doesn’t mean anything to me.
This is what I had: Be the best version of me that I can.Start asking why. Be fun, fit, financially set and fuck. Live life, don’t just let it happen. Raise masculine boys and a well-rounded girl. Lift, sidebar & STFU.
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I want to be better than currently am. What that actually looks like and how it works into a MAP. I don’t know yet.
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Physical:
I’ve never really looked better than this. Maybe 10 years ago when I was 185 with a slightly higher BF%. Hit all workouts this week. Up a few pounds. I’m struggling with bench. I always do when I get to roughly body weight. Maybe it’s a mental block, maybe its form, maybe I’m just a weak pussy and I’ve hit a plateau of below bodyweight early. I’ll keep pushing through. Knee needs a few weeks of rehab before squats again. Light deadlifts are ok.
No T level results just yet. Expect them any day now.
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Career and finances.
Lots of thinking and not much doing. Have had some further discussions with the landlord on my office. He has one party interested in taking the whole space. I can either maintain the lease and sublet and take half the profit or break and have no risk/costs but no profit. I think the commercial office market is going to have a tough few months ahead and I don’t know this company’s long term plans. I’m leaning towards getting out clean. Passive income is making the decision harder. Asking a mentor on this to see if I have any blind spots.
Personal finances remain the same. Very minimal debt but minimal assets.
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Relationship:.
I’m in a very strange place here. No results from the Testosterone check yet but I had zero sex drive this week. I haven’t for a long time. Even reading SGM I’m not envisaging it with my wife. It’s not that I am jerking to porn and don’t have the desire for sex left in me. I have no desire at all. I didn’t initiate once. She was depressed a lot this week which doesn’t help but as /HornsOfApathy points out, that is my fault. I agree with some parts and disagree with other parts. Ego could be in the way here. I have definitely enabled and rewarded so why was I surprised with the results? I’m going to reread it a few times before moving on to the next part.
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Fun;
More of the same. Me doing a few fun things with the kids. Fishing and hiking. Lockdowns easing but hard to do as many things as I’d like. Had the kids for lots of the weekend.
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STFU:
Mostly comfort test this week. I didn’t fail any but I feel like I could have enabled the behavior.
I should have realized by now that I get repeated shit tests or tests on the same subject. If the question is the same, maybe I should study the answer for next time.
Last week I said I’d write about a shit test that happened the morning I posted my OYS. I vaguely recall what this was about and I think that probably is more important. If it’s not overly important to me, why sweat it enough to write about it a week later. This makes me realize that if it’s not important to write about, then maybe it’s not important enough to take seriously or engage with in the moment.
Where I struggle is that in the moment, I think it’s important to her. I give some shit tests too much time or feel a need to respond due to her depression. So I respond. I may not fully deer but I explain or defend. I’m yet to find any congruency with AA. I just sound like a dick.
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
This sounds like a better vision/mission right now as you struggle to find one.
The parts you disagree with are likely the parts that you hate (and hate is the right word here) about yourself and are unwilling to accept.
sodarishnod 6y ago
OYS #12
Stats: 50, wife 49, 4 kids - 21, 18, 12, 10. Over a year in. Reading MMSP (2x), WISNIFG(3x). Read NMMNG (2x), SGM.
191lbs w/ BF 15.6%. Squat 175, BP 130, OHP 105, DL 165, Row 110
PHYS Hiked 17.8 miles w/ 4,600 ft gain over the weekend. Longest ever and glad I did it. Soreness in calves affected squats, though, and I had the first knee pain since six months ago. Tomorrow should finish my post-COVID catch up w/ new maxes. Looking forward to that. Let me eating go over the weekend by celebrating the hike by myself and later with family upon return. Back in line now by meal planning and adding grilled chicken salad for the first time. To Do: make the phys therapy stretches every day and don't let up just 'cause I've hit a goal.
MENTAL Journaled every day while away for the weekend. Then Rian Stone says that maybe the whole time away thing isn't needed. Well, it was good for me in many ways. I shared BF Exercise w/ safe friend. TO DO: join the NMMNG group on Reddit to add one additional outlet.
WORK Mtg in 5 min w/ my FTE who is costing me $10k loss per mo. with no forecasted chg. I'll discuss options of termination, furlough, or 1099. I was avoiding this, so I decided to make it the first thing I would do this week. Also went ahead and opened a SEP account and made the full deposit possible. Been meaning to do this for many years and tired of waiting on CPA hand-holding, so I did it and told the new CPA. That's a load off. Knocked out and scheduled a half dozen marketing videos. Got frustrated waiting on others so I learned the editing tools and just cranked them out. First time ever we've had back-to-back published and never so many in so little time. To Do: Push the planning horizon out 2-4 weeks for improved quality, sales touches and coordination with others.
RELATIONSHIP No change, but I'm working on the "she's dead" mindset to just do what I should be doing. The "be attractive, don't be unattractive" mantra has been insightful and a helpful shift for me.
ExactMammoth 6y ago
What was the result of your meeting?
sodarishnod 6y ago
He understood the situation, asked about just taking a pay cut. I said that wouldn't be sufficient, wouldn't buy us but another week or two of continued non-acceptance of reality. He was supportive of acquisition, which I'm pursuing and three companies are interesting in talking, one of which (my preferred by far) already gave terms. It's a better end to the company than just going under, but there's no real pay-out since we've been losing money. The compensation for me isn't better than being on my own, and financial peace was my top five year goal. I'll decide on my option by Monday.
ExactMammoth 6y ago
Good job waking up. Do the best you can by him if your failure to lead has cost him. But first do best by you. He will be fine either way.
Trondheim77 6y ago
OYS#10 37, wife 35, together 16 years, two toddlers
Got a rule 9 ban. Ok, I get it. This is all about me.
FITNESS 6'1, 183lbs, BF 20% (skinny fuck with love handles).
Squat 5x5 130lbs Deadlift 5x3 220lbs Bench 5x5 135lbs Press 5x5 90lbs Row 5x5 130lbs
Got my ass to the gym seven times these last two weeks. Lifts are back to pre-covid levels, except for the squat. Some flexibility excercises and a foam roller might be the solution for the ouchy hip, just have to take it slow for a while while I'm trying it out.
Started to look around for BJJ dojos in the area. A bit curious, might wanna try it out when/if the plague lifts.
MENTAL Read: NMMNG, WISNIFG, MMSLP, MAP, TRM, Pook, BPP, WotSM, SGM, Unchained man, Subtle art of not giving a fuck, Models, Mystery method, Atomic habits, Ego is the enemy, Power of now (40%)
Finished a rough draft of my mission. Needs refining but I like it this far. Feels like me.
Read a fair bit of Tolle's Power of Now. The way he explains the relationship between "mind" and "you" was enlightening and clarifies a lot of what meditation is supposed to be like. Something Sam Harris never made explicit in his meditation app. I have been attacking meditation daily with renewed inspiration thanks to Tolle. Will keep listening to the audiobook the coming weeks. It's deep stuff but I pick the easiest points this readthrough. Will certainly come back to PoN.
RELATIONSHIP Really made an effort to pass tests this week to see how it goes. Politely but smilingly refused to make her tea, ignored a lot of small nagging, didn't engage when I was accused of pointless shit etc.
Fucked three times this week. Tried to really rough her up for for the first time in my life. Next night she ambushed me with lingerie and was all over me. We NEVER fuck two days in a row. Never happens. This time I was even more dominant and it was awesome. I think we both were shocked I had it in me. Then a couple of days later a nice fuck in the couch. I caught myself being my ordinary soft self in the middle of it, but made sure I pounded her extra hard as I came. Ok, lesson learned. Sweet lovemaking might be cool for variety or foreplay. But don't think she can't take a hard round of fucking. She's built for getting it hard.
I know I'm not supposed to measure progress by her reactions, but it's hard not to take this as a hint that I'm in the ballpark of doing some little thing right.
SOCIAL Initiated and kept conversation going with a handful of milfs in the playground. Was fun to practice casualchatting. Need to do this more. Flirting can wait, I need to take this slowly. Seem to remember some good chat tips in Day Bang. That might be next on my re-read list.
Barbecue with some old friends. Lots of kids running all over the place but great to see some of the boys again, was a while ago. Didn't make an ass of myself so mission accomplished.
Have started chatting a bit with the kids friends' parents when they come to pick up their evil midgets after playdates. I used to let the wife handle the social bit. Need to get better at it, so trying to grind when I get the chance. Not really going out of my way to seek such chances out though.
CAREER Keeping up the summer gig I landed and getting decently paid. Usually july is totally dead so nice to land something that compensates somewhat for the lousy spring.
TODO Focus on not failing tests. That is, not engaging, not DEERing. And not accept stupid fetch quests.
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
First time? Good on you. Way to break through whatever was holding you back.
When was the last time you fucked your woman?
I wrote that for guys like you. Wish more would "get it".
Trondheim77 6y ago
Yeah, thanks for writing that. It was a much needed kick in the nutsack. What was holding me back was probably the usual fear of looking like a tryhard buffoon.
Break yourself free first and she will follow. Gold. (applies to more than sex too, I guess)
ImpatientZen 6y ago
OYS #8 - at war with myself
40, 6’0 192lbs (-3 from last week), 14%BF (navy) Married 15 years, wife 40, son 6yo.
OYS 101 Lifts (2RM’s): SQ347,5, BP245, PR170, DL445.
Read: 2nd run through done of MMSLP+MAP+TWOTSM+NMMNG. Currently book of pook and some twotsm/wisnifg thrown in along som older MRP posts.
STFU: Progressing.
Things I have done well:
Social, leading, hygiene, meditation, family, diet, training, no porn/fap. Still doing cool shit with my son including with other men. Great.
Two week diet break ended and the first week back in a deficit has been fine. Likewise coming back to real weights after the deload. I just need to watch that I don’t go too fast - but I think some is probably water weight/stomach content. My waist is going down but so did my neck measurement so no change in Navy BF. Mirror tells me I have a bit to go, veins are starting to come through in lower abdomen though.
Have a lawyer booked later in the summer to talk divorce. Not rushing but preparing.
Work, sex, sleep, food
Finding my mojo, purpose and energy at work again. Had my yearly performance review. The actual performance review was maybe 5% of the talk as I am overperforming on all parameters. Instead we focused on where I should go from here. Put a plan together with the SVP for my next step up happening in a few years once I have optimized my current department - and getting some pay rises while I am here. I recently got one, hoping for another within a year. Money means little to me (only because I have enough, I realize that) but I want to be where I provide the most value - and rewards that cost something are a good indicator of that being the case.
The SVP warned me if I really wanted to be a “fixer”. We have many “steady as she goes” guys in our organization - few people with fire and drive that are able to do change management. Thus I might be assigned to places that need clean-up and restructuring if I am not careful. I think I am ok with that. I have to develop whatever I work on - comfort is not a priority, and actually I feel better when I am making a real, tangible difference.
I am finding my balls again in dealing with the troublesome female employee. This will eventually come to some sort of more open conflict I suspect before she either falls in line or moves on. But I have agreement with management about the course, so let's see.
It's a weird, weird thing to follow my sexual desire. It is completely quenched for days and then roars back up all of a sudden. Happily the wife is compliant if not enthusiastic. I have had fun with gaming all day, quite overtly, sneaking into little corners for kissing/feeling her up/mini-BJs, getting nudes while I'm at work. That sort of stuff. Fun times, feel more like myself. The sex has been pretty good, just going for what I wanted, when I got the familiar starfish. I was good at stating what I wanted, also some kinkier stuff, some of which happened, some didn't. The most important was that I owned my desire and my kinks.
Sleep is still weird. I will get a sleep study after the Summer holidays. Even if I already had one done a few years back, getting a more detailed one can rule out anything physiological. But my feeling is that this is mental and related directly to the guilt and shame. I wake up feeling like shit every morning. Did a test with a nap on the weekend and it was the same - even worse. Really felt guilty even taking the time for myself to the extent it woke me up. There is no reason to. I am OMS with fam, kid, wife, work, friends etc. I think that deeper down the guilt and shame is towards myself. How I have let myself down, not owned my needs and wants, even continuing now by not being congruent and authentic, staying in this husk of a relationship. I am working on it.
I had a cocktail and a glass of wine this week, really felt like it as I went some awesome places with a really interesting dude I am cultivating a friendship with. Could feel it slightly next day though it wasn’t much. It’s kind of useful with these little reminders about how alcohol isn’t worth it (for me). The same happened from overeating on the weekend. I need to learn these lessons regularly it seems.
My mission
Really coming back to this and it feels great. I want to change the world and do it through developing people and relationships. I do this more and more and can see a path towards taking it to the next level after the talk about my perspectives. I will as a byproduct help my son by setting an example (as we know kids pick up what you DO not what you SAY). I had this weird false belief that prioritizing my efforts in the world (work and otherwise) was a trade-off to prioritizing family. Freeing to realize it's the opposite. I am an awesome dad with him and we do awesome shit - exactly because I am realizing my potential.
Shit to own
I am scared of confrontation with angry women. Like shit-scared. It's hilarious but true. There is some waa-waa story there about my fathers anger and me replaying it, but the cause doesn't really matter (at least not once you know it). Anyway, from meditation I've learnt to be aware of physical sensations even in stressed moments. And it's the weirdest thing. I have had it during a difficult talk with my employee and with my wife guilting me (this time mostly how I don't parrot back "ILY") and my heart starts POUNDING. Really crazy shit. I am fairly sure this will clear up as I keep working on it. And then maybe I will be less of an entitled little shit at home. But God. Scared of my wife being mad at me for not saying words on command. What a pussy. Not doing anyone any good thus not conducive to my mission.
I also have to own once again that I carry enough resentment that I run my mouth about it to other people. Less than last week, and the venting was more focused on action and myself (so not completely useless exercise) but even so. Very much detrimental to me fulfilling my potential and just time wasted.
In the end it’s all inside my head. Those imaginary bars. I am at war with myself, guilt and shame are riding me pretty hard. Thought patterns go to how I am unfair, too demanding and negative, bla-bla, and conversely how my situation is hopeless, I should leave but the consequences are unmanageable etc. Reading this old article actually helped quite a lot:
https://rianstonept.blogspot.com/2016/07/what-did-you-think-she-was-going-to-do.html
I have definitely been guilty of "doing MRP" so the current relationship would "turn around" using it as a toolkit to get other people to do/be what I want them to. Monkeys will dance, especially a well-trained one like me. I even caught myself thinking I should ask the MRP-sages in this OYS on how I should react to ILY's and where the balance is of how much I "should" say back, 2/3 rule and whatever the fuck. Get my validation here if I don't from her? Jesus. I can't outsource that - I will have to figure out what is resentment (and kill that shit) and what is authentic DNGAF (and own it).
Stuff to get done
Basically I need to keep momentum on the good (and easy) stuff. Family, home, work, money, gym, diet.
I will keep pushing boundaries on sex - I need to if I want to be authentic. It can be difficult in face of lack of enthusiasm, lots of guilt about being sexual hanging around. But I am improving.
I still suck of course. If my woman is my mirror then I am shit. So what is left after all of this? STFU most of the time while I learn to communicate effectively. Actions more than words. I will keep on grinding on the reading etc. to adjust mental models on this. I like the course I am on, but guilt/shame can quickly derail it and turn me into a butt-hurt and/or supplicating bitch.
rotkohlblaukraut 6y ago
The main thing I'm getting out of this is guilt and shame, largely related to masculinity and sex and women. I was wondering what you were looking for here, but the context of your interest in MRP is clearer now.
Guilt is the feeling that you've done someone wrong and should atone for that action, and can be healthy unless it's going off all the time for no good reaason. Shame is the feeling that you're inherently bad and need to atone for being you. Both these are learned (or at least the standards by which guilt is judged), most likely either when you were so small you couldn't think rationally about what you were being told, or through so much repetition that it stuck, or both. Seeing the conditioning arise in realtime like in the conversaton with your female employee is the first step. Then you can analyse it and change the pattern - do something different than what you've been doing that has been reinforcing the pattern. Consciously challenge the beliefs that cause the shame to arise. There are times where it's clear that there are five of six different conditioned voices running their mouths at the same time in my mind, and none of them are actually "me". Seeing the bizarre shit they say is pretty enlightening, and letting them have free reign over my actions would be pretty self destructive. Seeing them flare up and challenging the truth of what they say helps them settle down.
It's also interesting to see how your mind is so conditioned to thinking about yourself this negative way that your gut reaction to seeing what the mind is actually doing is to criticise yourself more (calling yourself a pussy). Sure, you might well be a big fat pussy, but notice how the negative cycle reinforces itself. You can reframe as "I'm just in the learning phase" or "Wow, I'm starting to see the code of the matrix, this is so cool." rather than "I suck so bad.". At least in your case.
I didn't see WISNIFG in your reading list - it might help reframe this guilt you speak of. Some guys complain they just can't get into this particular book; there are lots of books that are probably equally as good -- just look for assertiveness as the theme. You'll have a hard time breaking through the monkey dancing until you can deal with the guilt/shame complex and deal assertively with life.
And about running your mouth with resentment - stumbled on this last week. Interesting perspective.
ImpatientZen 6y ago
Really appreciate the feedback. It feels very accurate and also actionable.
That's exactly it. Took about six years of therapy mediation and all kinds of shit to even realize it. And then a bit more to allow myself to allow myself to see through the matrix and even occasionally act on that knowledge even through the guilt and shame.
That's what the nap was about. Letting myself sleep is difficult. So I knew they would come up and was prepared enough that I could interestedly observe them. Effectively countering them will be the next step.
Negative self talk is dumb. I know this. I often help others out with it. Harder to see in myself. Thanks.
I have that one in there on and off. It's so revelatory for me that just chapter one takes some time to process. I will get at it because I know you are right and I need to put in the work there.
And again with how narratives create perception. I know this. But this really hammers it home. No more bitching about the negatives.
Cloudy_Pirate 6y ago
Obligatory
ImpatientZen 6y ago
And thanks here too. Seems I picked a good subtitle.
[deleted] 6y ago
sounds familiar.
ImpatientZen 6y ago
I knew I picked up that line from somewhere here. Thanks. It is a great post. Something to get back to occasionally.
NeoTheJuanDJ 6y ago
OYS #
Stats:
Readings:
Podcasts:
Fitness/Diet:
Gyms reopen soon. Will be nice to train again. In the mean time still running and maintaining level of endurance I have built up over the past few months. This endurance will help with the volume and hypertrophy phase in the beginning stages of my strength program, as well as recovery from said training. Also, I will begin increasing healthy fats and decreasing carbs slightly (50g less carb, 50g more fats) per day with the decrease in endurance training and increase in neurological stress and adaptation from the introduction and focus of strength training. Protein remains the same.
Career:
I have a license I need to go get for my career. For this license, I have received the paperwork required in order to register for class schedule, and will complete and submit this online tonight by midnight. Once I have that license, I will then add this to my resume when applying for positions.
Hobbies:
I have been pulling my hobbies from their dust-covered state one-by-one. I grew up liking art and sports, and I enjoy drawing, playing drums in a band, sculpting, and photography. So far, I have re-emerged photography and drawing, and bought a new DSLR camera to practice with rather than my iPhone that I’ve been using for two years now. Massive difference. Great progress.
Frame: Recent events in the news I find interesting. I don’t really give a fuck. I find that to be the most surprising factor in all of this. The world can and probably will go to hell, but what does that have to do with me? I’m working and never stopped making money, my family is healthy and working as well. Myself and my loved ones remain unaffected. Naturally, I find myself not caring. Just put my head down and as long as we’re okay, it’s all just background noise. Very interesting to watch.
Social:
Trying to meet other like-minded individuals, as well as people who are better than me socially (especially in terms of charisma, and body language) whom I can study and learn from. To do this, I am more social at my gym, trying Meetup.com for local meeting regularly with new people in group settings, and being more social everywhere I go (opening strangers, is in indirect game to chat and then get info for possible further discussion, leading to hang out). I feel I am and have been very focused on this area for a while now and is slowly becoming one of my strengths, but I need to stay consistent so I don’t lose my social skills again. I also have more fun when I have time to my self combined with time with others - where I have social momentum and opportunities open up much more often than if I let my social skills fall and social momentum goes down as anxiety goes up.
Financial:
This is another area I am trying to improve. One of the major reasons in me deciding to pursue a career (instead of another job) is so that I could get out of a warehouse, have more job security, get paid more money, to be able to afford to do the things I want to do (travel, play drums, photography, own my own property, etc). I would also like to retire by 55, so I put $1000 into my retirement fund, and ramped up my monthly contributions to this plan 1.5x. I will put another $1000 lump sum into this account next year around this time again to take advantage of the compounding interest.
Will post again next week.
Cloudy_Pirate 6y ago
Why bother? If you aren't going to take a risk here on an anonymous forum and actually talk about something that matters to you. Most of this crap is a cut/paste from your last boring OYS.
Fuck. Even your goals of government job security and early retirement are risk averse.
If you didn't have decent comments to other posters, I'd assume you were a bot.
SpareTireBob 6y ago
OYS #1 – Introduction
Stats – 37yo; HT 5’-10”; WT 185 lbs; BF% untested
Lifts – DL=265x5 , BS=260x5, BP 155x5, OHP=115x5; 5k run=18:00, 10k run=41min
Relationship - wife 33, married 10, together 13; 4 kids (all under age 10)
Read – NMMNG, The Rationale Male Year 1, MMSLP; Currently - The Daily Stoic, WISNIFG
Intro I have lurked long enough, time to put myself out there. Technically my MRP journey started in 2013, when I came across NMMNG. I didn’t know what to do with it then, but it planted the seed that eventually led me here. I’m a born and raised blue pill faggot. I was a pathetic beta in all my relationships prior to and including my current relationship/marriage. My wife and I were set up by her friend (my cousin). She had no relationship/sexual experience (to my knowledge, of course) prior to me. Our sex life has never been great, but in recent years has been bordering on non-existent.
Fitness-wise, I was in good shape when we met. I slowly let myself go over the first few years until 2012 when I made a conscious effort to clean up my diet (I lost 40lbs on diet alone). Again, I let myself go until 2015 when I had enough. I started eating healthy AND working out. First P90x, then into running, and now since starting the red pill, lifting. I am currently in the best shape of my life, however, I have a long way to go and have far loftier goals than what I’ve accomplished to date.
I started my red pill journey last fall when I finally realized that my lack of sex life was not my wife’s problem, but mine. I began applying some basic concepts in my marriage - I failed often and each time fell back into blue pill BS. I finally hit the sidebar and started seriously lifting this spring when I was sent home to work in March due to COVID-19. My wife is a SAHM, and the kids were home from school. The 8 weeks I was home, working, offered me a great opportunity to observe and apply techniques as I learned them. That experience was invaluable and I’ve been able to keep my momentum going.
Physical Lifting (5/3/1) = 3 days a week, started June 1; I did Stronglifts 5x5 off and on for the last 3 years prior Running = 3 days a week, 3-6 miles per run; I was running 30mpw prior to a minor achilles injury in Feb.
Diet During the week it’s a balanced combination of healthy food, trying to consume more protein. No/Low sugar and no alcohol. Probably too much coffee. On the weekends, I let loose a little more, consume more sugar and some alcohol. Overall it leans towards a healthy balance, but if I need to tighten up my diet, there is plenty of room for improvement on the weekends.
Mental Besides the reading, I’ve been trying to journal my thoughts daily. Much work needed in this area. Would like to incorporate meditation, I’ve done this in the past with much benefit.
Relationship We have a good marriage, we rarely fight or argue. We’re generally on the same page on most things. I am the primary initiator of sex. She accepts maybe half the time. I need to work on handling rejection, specifically OI. I’m getting better at reading shit tests and comfort tests. I have plenty of work to do on passing them. I’m getting pretty good at STFU, but like most newbies I have moments of weakness.
Mission/MAP I’m feeling this out yet, however, I have an idea of what direction I want to head with it. I think it’ll become clear as I progress through internalizing what I’ve read and applying it to real life. It’s a long road, but if it’s anything like I imagine it to be, it’ll be a fun ride.
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
You wife loves you, hell, she even probably likes you. And generally follows your lead.
She's just not attracted to you.
SpareTireBob 6y ago
Stupid blue pill me has asked her numerous times over the years if it was an attraction problem, which unsurprisingly, got me absolutely nowhere. The stoic reading has helped me understand that I should only worry about what I can control and therefore, let her figure out and worry why she is or isn't attracted to me.
rather_empty 6y ago
OYS #16
29yo, 183cm, 73kg. Wife 44.
DL 7x140kg, SQ 8x80kg, 10xBW chip-ups.
The crap
I have zero frame and easily give up my values for others. What I think is frame is often just butthurt reactions.
I don't enjoy beating my wife, don't get off on it, don't have a D/s relationship and it's against my values - so the only reason I did it was to please her (because she asked to be beaten). That's next level retarded.
Spiritual
I'll arrange to receive confession from a priest. This is never a fun thing and is always a war between me and my fears and ego. One of the main benefits (besides any others) is that something I've confessed can no longer "own" me. Right or wrong, I cannot be accused of something once confessed to (and of course, taking action regarding the things confessed to).
OYS is also a dirty business and it's tempting to present a clean, "on top of it" image but it's a complete waste of time to do so.
Relationship
The wife wants a divorce due to me having told her to sleep on the sofa. I don't want and cannot justify a divorce. I've by no means improved myself to the point of ably handling my wife's shit tests and she's still providing valuable feedback of that.
The only "reason" I'd be able to truthfully put on a divorce application would be the wife's unwillingness to get help with her mental health issues when you can reasonably argue my behaviour has been more retarded than hers.
I re-iterated to her I will not get a divorce and that we should try counselling again, which she has agreed to.
Reading
I realise I'm at risk of being accused of being violent, abusive or both so read Preempting the DV charge.
Re-read "Manning 101" and the MRP End Game. Thanks to a comment by SteelSharpensSteel I realise I'm barely hitting 101 in some areas and completely missing in others. This is at least the second time I've re-read something and had a reaction of "oh so thaaat's what it means / how I apply it". Going to take written notes this time because I remember things better that way.
Physical
Assembled and installed squat rack. The mental aspect of RPT is fun - determining the point at which you really can't do another rep with proper form.
Started at 80kg for the squats and that was quite hard enough considering how long it's been since I last squatted.
Household
Due to pride or laziness I've resisted getting outside help or paying someone else to work on the house. To get stuff done sooner while keeping everything else going I've simply got to get someone else to do it. Will look at hiring a fencer / landscape gardener to replace fence in front of house.
Replaced broken tiles in bathroom, grouted and siliconed. Fixed basin hot tap which inexplicably slowed to a trickle over the last week. Chopped up and put an unneeded interior door that was lying around in the rubbish.
TODO
Blarg_Risen 6y ago
Sexually right? Sorry man, but unless it turns me off, if she asks for it, I'm doing it. It would be retarded to deny your woman her kinks because "that's not what I like".
That's fucking stupid too. It's not a get out of jail free card. Confession is OYS for Christians. Only they think you can say the hail mary 5 times and you no longer have to worry that youre a failure. More like "say your shit".
In MRP OYS, you confess it then OWN it. "Yeah I did that. Yeah I'm like that. Yeah I thought that." I can see you now:
Your woman: "Your so weak"
You: "YoU cANt SaY tHaT. I CONFESSED IT. I'M ABSOLVED!"
Your wife thinks so little of you she expects you to fill out divorce paperwork because she wants one. Ha. Wait til she finds out she can do it herself.
rather_empty 6y ago
Yes, sexually. In words and via messaging, repeatedly.
I phrased it incorrectly. I don't know about other Christians but I drew the analogy because I see it in the same light as OYS: confess it and own it.
She hasn't asked me to do the paperwork. She knows she can get the divorce herself and yet won't do it. I'm guessing it's because she doesn't want to take the responsibility.
Deathmetal_deadlifts 6y ago
OYS #42
Stats: 40 yo, height 186 cm, weight 85.5 kg, bodyfat 17% navy method, wife 39 yo, living together for 13 years, married for 8 – will be 9 soon. Kids are 3 (girl) and 6 (boy).
Lifting stats (heaviest weight at the last workout): BP 85 kg x8, SQ 95 kg x8, DL 125 kg x6
Readings:
Sidebar books read: MMSLP, NMMNGx2, WISNIFG, RM, TWOTSM, MAP, Saving a low sex marriage, Bigger Leaner Stronger, Pook, SGM
Books read that are not on the sidebar: Bigger Leaner Stronger, Leangains, Kettlebell Simple and Sinister, The Quick and the Dead, Fuccfiles
Now reading: Day Bang, Unfuck yourself
Reading queue: 48LOP
Shit to own
Work: Follow-up from last week – I did all the tough conversations with the manager I’m firing and the other two I am going to demote. Only one of those is giving me trouble but it will be over soon. Huge weight off my chest. My best performing manager who has a competing offer will most likely stay, it will be clear by end of the week. As I said in the comments in last week’s thread, there is a lot more background and nuance to this story. Anyway, what is relevant from RP perspective: this whole thing is an exercise in me being willing to become the villain in a couple of people’s life stories. Full disclosure: being the villain is extremely hard, it goes against a lifetime of Nice Guy conditioning and I am only doing it now because there is no other way. I have to deliver results otherwise bad things will happen. In order to deliver those results and not have bad things happen to me, I have to shake up the team.
Something else work related that I find funny: one of the girls in another department had a confrontation with one of my direct reports. Essentially, my guy was being a dick about the AC in the shared office space. She came to me to complain. I sat her down in my office, cleared some time in my schedule and let her run her mouth until she was out of things to say about my guy, about what’s going on in her department, her plans for the future, whatever. I made sure to ask leading questions and to keep her talking for as long as possible. I did not offer any solution other that “I’ll talk to him”. A couple days later I asked her if she’s having any trouble with the guy. I get a thank you note from her for being “a great team player”. OK, I literally did nothing, apart from giving her my time and attention. Btw, I did talk to the guy: “Make sure [young Karen] doesn’t run to my office again.” It took me all in all ten seconds and I don’t know what he did, but most probably nothing. If only manipulating my wife was this easy.
Family: This weekend was a boys’ trip out of town – me and my son, plus one of his friends and his dad. We went to a mountain nearby, the kids rode bikes, climbed rocks and ran around, me and the other dad had some beers and talked about business and cars. Awesome, will do it again. Having two cars in the family is also awesome.
Relationship: I am only putting this here to be fully transparent. This area is the elephant in the room I am ignoring. I am not leading or gaming my wife. Nor do I care much about it either. I have stopped being a supplicating bitch, but I have not become the oak yet. To be continued.
Goals for July: Hire and fire everyone that needs to be hired or fired. Everything else is a bonus.
Mission/ long-term stuff
• Stop giving a fuck what others think, switch to internal validation
• Become a high energy charismatic guy. Prioritize my career and be successful in my current role, which is essentially running a business within the company
• Help my kids grow confident and strong, so that they make the big life decisions driven by ambition as opposed to driven by fear
part_wolf 6y ago
OYS 26
In lieu of an introspective rant, I'm going to take a more standard approach this week. I've got a lot going on right now.
First, the biggest news. After trying for a few months, we learned this week that my wife is pregnant with baby number 2. I'm very excited.
My grandfather - my dad's dad - is dying of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. He's past the point where chemotherapy can help him, so they sent him home from the hospital and they're treating his white blood cell count at home (for his comfort and to avoid COVID-19 exposure). I won't be able to visit him anytime soon. I wish I'd taken the opportunity to visit him over the past few years so he could meet his great-granddaughter, but that won't happen now.
Tomorrow will be two and a half weeks with no booze, which is step one of fixing my drinking problem. I'm comfortable with the decision and I've kept a positive mindset about it so far; I still have the urge to drink sometimes but I can remind myself of why I chose not to. I also purchased and started on the This Naked Mind Intensive Program, which is step two. Step three is looking for a professional therapist, and I'm still researching options there.
I'm still doing CrossFit 4 times a week, and cycling 2-3 times a week. Got another InBody scan and to get to 10% fat I need to be at 185 lbs, and that's what I need to do to get some abs. I have 20 lbs of fat to lose.
I had a big commission check last week, so I paid off a lot of debt and put a bunch more in savings. The finances are in decent shape.
My boss brought up some things that needed fixing last week, and I got defensive and wasn't in a good place to accept his feedback. I was simply being a faggot. After taking the weekend to think about it, I called him back yesterday and ironed everything out - all that's left is to do the work and hit my numbers. I've also started networking again, which is something I've not done much in the past few months of quarantine, but I want to make it a priority again.
I'm also trying to find better ways to create sexual excitement with my wife. We just got done having sex and I didn't finish. I just wasn't that into it, which is fine. I can't remember the last time I didn't come during sex; at least it's a little variety. Sex has been less frequent because the wife is tired from being pregnant, but that's to be expected.
Despite all of this going on, I feel largely at ease with myself.
I'm grateful to the MRP guys who reached out to ask how I was doing, and also to those who responded back to my inquiries with very insightful and meaningful advice. Most of all, I appreciate the guys that didn't respond to my messages at all. Your silence is a reminder that there are no easy fixes and the lessons present themselves once the student is ready.
After connecting with a lot of redpill guys the past two weeks, I'm realizing that the journey to becoming my authentic self doesn't really have to be such a journey after all. I've been making it harder than it needs to be; bombs need not erupt to demonstrate my progress. I'd like to change that.
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
Congrats on baby #2! Sure explains all the random woman stuff lately.
part_wolf 6y ago
Thanks! I’ve said it before... 80% of the time, it’s just fucking hormones.
DirtyNuke 6y ago
OYS 50
Age 64 Ht 5'11" Wt 168 Wife 66 Married 43 Together 46
Physical
Sildenafil is a miracle drug but it hits its resurectory limits trying to answer the call for a third time in twelve hours. I made a joke about having "used up my tickets", which got a laugh and defused things. I STFU to not make some butthurt complaint about it being too bad I'm not being able to use all the years' worth of "unused tickets" that had expired during her "frigid" days. Interestingly, I was able to recognize the ego-attack that jumped up to whine about the past, listen to it and let it go.
Mindset
I still have DEER as a first instinct when I get tested. I am usually able to at least STFU. For a real shit test my reaction is almost too fast to catch. I could say its because I'm out of practice since I really don't get many tests, but its really because I still have no frame, even after all this time.
There is an element of Power of Now (PON) that is almost schizophrenic - you try to "step aside" and listen to your mind when it starts ranting. The other day when one of those inner mental rants began I found myself laughing at it - like you would when a buddy tells a tale of a colossal humiliating fuckup. If they're good they exaggerate for additional comic effect. That's what I ended up doing, mentally ridiculing that pathetic loser. Laughter was helpful, especially in the context of events so long ago. Only happened once though.
Redid the "Life after you move out" exercise again. This time skipping past all the legal and logistic hassle to think through the day-in day-out. Would I try to meet new people? Being honest it would be a lot like how it is when I travel for work. I wouldn't go out during the week as it is more important to get up early and go to the gym. What about Friday or Saturday? Maybe, but I'm pretty lazy. And where would I go? The Old Folks' Rec Center? Being "alone" is not all that scary to me, as I'm not a really social or extroverted person. I'd end up reading, playing games or writing up my OYS. Which I can do now anyway.
There was a woman with a kid in the parking lot of the grocery with a sign pleading poverty and hunger. Normally I assume such things are scams and blow them off, but I realized how nice and spoiled I am - able to work from home, etc. And there are a lot of people really damaged by this lockdown. It may have been a scam, but I gave her a $20. If I got scammed, so what.
Relationship
I've been reading science fiction for 60 years (well, almost). It is one of those things that over the years has been tolerated at best. A few weeks ago I "tricked" her into reading a reprint of a novella. She ended up reading the rest of the novels in the series, and turning into a full fan - a geek for the series. It really feeds the "feelz". It also lead to chats about the stories, worldcons, the whole fan culture, and discussions of things we never had in common before. It is one of those "if I were starting fresh with someone new" positives. Nice to have now, all the same, even though I know "having things in common" means nothing compared to "chemistry".
Cool-Salad 6y ago
Thanks for your contribution, where can I find this life after you move out exercise?
DirtyNuke 6y ago
It's actually a challenge from u/HornsOfApathy a few weeks ago, and reissued again as I'm still trying to get my head into it. It's based on "what do you want". Look at his comments this week and a couple prior. I don't know if it is actually "from" published materials.
buttery-soft 6y ago
If you're feeling edgy, this drug reduces the refractory period, and is cheap. It works by inhibiting pituitary prolactin. I never tried it, but dose needs to be dialed in due to potential nausea. Gearheads running Tren use it to control sides.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabergoline
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
Do you want a woman in your life that adds great value?
Try mapping out what that would look like if you do.
Or map out what it would look like slamming your old man balls into daft 20 year olds.
(you shave those things, right? I started getting gray ball hairs around 37, they are wild looking bro)
DirtyNuke 6y ago
Actually yes. When asked why I laughed and said women tell me they prefer it.
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
I saw a cool tombstone and thought of you.
Deniz215 6y ago
Lmao.
DirtyNuke 6y ago
I told my kids just cremate and dump it.
rotkohlblaukraut 6y ago
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Huge progress. This is awesome to be able to see in real time. Re calling the voice a loser, though, try being more compassionate to yourself instead of while still challenging the ranting. You can see where it came from, how it came to be, but it's time for those outdated and unhelpful beliefs to fade away, The less deliberate negativity you can inject into your mind the better.
DirtyNuke 6y ago
Self anger / self hate and compassion are still to do. Splitting and listening I work on every day. It may be awhile before they fade as they've been reinforced for so many years.
RedSaxophone 6y ago
OYS 2 - July 14, 2020
Previous #1 #0 (Rule 9’d)
30yo, 6’3”, 289 lbs. Wife 39yo, married 3, together 6. Son 2yo.
Lifts BP 115 Squat 105 Deadlift 175
Readings NMMNG (x2), WISNIFG, TWOTSM, MMSLP, MAP (50%), sidebar.
Previous Homework
MAP
Mindset
I left town Sunday for a 4-day vacation at a VRBO. My family needed a break from the monotony of quarantine. I decided to make some joy happen and find a pool for the 100+ degree weather. I used to travel frequently and it was something that brought my wife and I closer. Having a kid and spending “vacations” visiting her mother has not helped a bad marriage. I decided to change that pattern. I took the scenic route, which the wife complained about, but I wanted to see some things, so I did. I STFU in response to her complaints, let them pass, and that night she was naked in the pool.
I find it strange doing an OYS literally in the middle of a trip - but I’m getting value out of it by remembering life is both about the moment (enjoying pleasures) and the big picture (my goals), but what it’s not about is the minutia. Just sitting to write allows me to triage my thoughts, purge the fluff, and let go via STFU.
Overall, I am focusing on “what about you?” However, the question “do I even like my wife?” keeps intruding. I am realizing that while my wife’s overt willingness to be an objectively good wife can make it easier for me to make these changes, it doesn’t mean that I like her.
Honestly, I don’t need to answer “do I even like my wife?” right now. In order to keep my focus on the present and on my own mental point-of-origin, I am instead asking: do I want to spend my time with her? Frequently, no. Do I act in congruence with that? Increasingly, yes. As long as I am in congruence, the reasons don’t matter at this point. I’m trying to build a frame, not continue running on my male-hamster-wheel. I trust that the reasons will become obvious as I live on my terms.
For right now: Don’t be unattractive. STFU. Lift.
Homework
LeonidasMRP 6y ago
OYS #10- 7/14/2020
STATS
After a “false start” in July 2019, I have been serious about MRP for 2 months now.
Age: 31 Wife: 29 Married: 2 years, Living together for 4 years.
Kids: 1 baby boy
BF%: 18.8 (In-Body scan)
Height: 70.5”
Weight: 179
Squat: 215x5
Deadlift: 275x5
Bench: 170x5
OHP: 100x5
READINGS
Finished: King, Warrior, Magician, Lover, NMMNG
Reading: WISNIFG
FOREWARD
My last OYS was an embarrassment. I thought I was revealing was how serious and deep I am approaching MRP on an intellectual level but I actually revealed how I have no frame and cannot STFU. I got called out by multiple users about how I need to prioritize STFU so that’s what I did.
I need to own up that I have slacked off in the areas of lifting, dieting and reading and indulged myself in vices for the past month and its all my fault. I got prideful and I wanted to show off my new muscle definition at the beach during vacation. I drank too much and ate garbage food because I told myself I deserve it after being good for so long (only 2 months). I have begun the process of immersion back into my routine.
STFU
This is one area that I have improved since my last OYS. There has not been any negative interaction between my wife and I since last OYS because I have been keeping my lip buttoned. The hardest aspect of this has been to not verbalize my thought process while contemplating a decision or an idea. The result has been that I act quicker.
RELATIONSHIP
I have made a priority to be with my son alone away from his mother for about an hour each day. This has been beneficial by strengthening my bond with my son and also giving my woman some time to herself and dry up the oxytocin rush she gets from nurturing a child. She revealed she was impressed at how well I can hold his attention and seemingly effortless it is for me to interact with him. She thanked me over the weekend for being so helpful with the baby. I told her she was welcome but I thought to myself: “I wasn’t trying to help you out but ok I will take the gratitude anyway.”
I believe that these actions on my part have been helpful in getting our sex life back to pre-pregnancy status. She has not turned me down and has even initiated. The problem is that her vagina is not entirely back to normal. She suffered a stage 2 tear during child birth and winces every time I enter her, but tries to tough it out in order for me get off. Well this has not been very satisfying for me so I have devised a plan to retrain her pussy to accept my cock. I have been giving her pussy massages using both hands while kneeling over her from the side, one hand works the outside while the other works the inside. As I do this, she will then bend to the side and blow me with lots of enthusiasm incorporating tongue and lips. It’s been a lot of fun but I’m looking forward to getting back to PIV.
FOCUS
This week I want to continue to be diligent at my job, continue STFU, resume my workouts, resume calorie tracking, and resume reading.
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
That's a deadly sentence. Your odds of success are greatly diminished: you better own up to your propensity to suck off to the world in perpetual fuckarounditis.
LeonidasMRP 6y ago
Roger that.
BootySlayer911 6y ago
OYS 6
46, stbx 42, kids 7&8, divorce pending, discovery documents due: 6'1, 172, boxing gym and regular gym shit down again per faggot governors order, doing 100 pushups, situps, 20 pullups on tree limb, filled bucket with heavy rocks lifting that, no dough for squat rack yet: already lost a little definition, I'm not paying $180 for two 50 lb dumbells: per u/johneyapocolypse getting a stand up heavy bag at home, owner already got me a spar partner lined up once boxing gym opens up; every mother fucker reading this needs to be learning some kind of fighting sport, its amazing how hitting the bag 20 minutes makes your shoulders blow up
Reading: mostly div prep sidebar this week, divorce papers, Getting Things Done, finishing up RM on audio: will get back to reading RP curriculum next week after div docs submitted
Diet: sardines and/or can of tuna daily, lots of berries/smoothies, bit of cheese, 1-2 steaks per week 1-2 chicken breasts per week, bananas, coffee (too much?), water, sprouts natural energy drink, lots off eggs milk
Divorce: Discovery docs are a fuck ton of work, but this is my chance to counteract the Jack the Ripper narrative and give my side: she also spanked the kids and broke/threw things during arguments; I'm shooting for 100% custody with the hope I'm granted 50/50:
Career: the guy training us is a douche but I think my new boss is going to be cool; pay sucks but its pretty flexible and looks like long term wfh potential: have 3rd interview tmrrw with final decision maker, executive who likes me gave me a pre-game today, she told me straight up I'm the top candidate, it would be one of the best opportunities of my career financially and professionally; another opprtunity is still cooking, obviously there's a million applicants for every job now; I'm easing off online business for now, moving to an hour a day and viewing it as a learning opp, dropshipping is saturated and takes alot of work but a good intro to ecommerce: sticking with yt channel as its fun; working on stand up routine etc
Dating: too busy to focus on women, but my tinder queue has 10-15 girls 18-25, most asking for a sugar daddy; its funny cause they dont leave when you ignore thrm, they leave when you start vomiting typical crap they hear from every other hard dick with a phone (aka STFU); going to upgrade photos/pay professional to make my profile look like I'm Monsieur Hot Shit
Life/Women: I know I'll never get married again, but this RP stuff is a fucking mind job. I know no female will ever love me the way I dreamed about most of my life, and thats fine, but its also weird knowing that in a way I'll walk the rest of my path alone. Thats not a bad thing or even a lonely thing, but its an adjustment that takes a big set of balls I don't have yet.
All of history's greatest men had big fucking brass balls
Goals: nail interview, home strength training, finish div docs, get back to MRP reading routine, get heavy bag for practice, social activities, finish yt video (table restoration), take lardass dog for a walk, don't beat off more than once per week
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
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opseccret 6y ago
OYS#35
July 14
Me - 43 years old, 5 foot 7, 200.1. lbs 12% navy method
Her 48 together 13 years, married 7, one child
Physical
Had first couple days back in the gym this weekend. In order to not be crippled for BJJ, kept a few reps in reserve and limited volume. Strength was down, but could be a lot worse I guess. Attended two BJJ sessions, managed some light rolling, but avoided anything serious due to surgery recovery. Followup appointment with surgeon is this week, and will inquire about going back 100%.
Squats 315 for 6 reps, 5 sets
Dbell incline press 80lbs for 4 sets of 5, supersetted with dbell rows, 80 lbs for 4 sets of 8 reps.
Lat pulldowns, 120lbs for 10 reps, 4 sets, Seated Dbell press, 45 lbs for 8 reps, 4 sets.
Diet was decent, though I am going to need to limit carbs more if I am going to achieve 180 at 10%. Not sure why weight shot up nearly six lbs since last week, other than retaining water, and I have no real explanation, as it isn't something that happens often. Waist size didn’t increase noticeably, but pant legs are tighter, and I noticed my ring was tighter when I was taking it off for BJJ.
Mental
Was doing really well at STFU, despite some really hard shit testing leading up to Shark week. Then I fucked it up one morning by DEERing over some really minor shit. It would have been so simple to avoid but I still blundered into it. I’ve not put enough mental effort on this kind of thing lately, with my focus being renovations and a few other goals. I’ve been wary about trying to do too many things at once, as its been a recurring problem, but I need to redouble my efforts.
I also know I need to put in more work on the following: Smiling more, adopting a cocky, fun, and confident attitude, as well as body language and posture. I remember the difference it made in interactions with random strangers back when I was single. I can pull it off with conscious effort, but it used to be habitual. There is no reason it can't be once again.
I have been leading more, and planned a trip to go hiking for this weekend, just the wife and I.
NowEntertheArena 6y ago
OYS 4
Age - 39. Height - 5’9” Body Fat - 25% body fat(navy method). LTR - 19 years. Kids - 3
Lifts - DL-1x5 310lbs, SQ-3x5 205, BP - 3x5 212 lbs, OHP - 3x5 109 lbs, BR 165lbs, 3 x amrap pull ups(8,6,4)
Last week’s goals-
-Finish my credit union application - done
Read 30 minutes a day from reading list above - 7/7
Set up fitnesspal to track calories - done
Start NMMNG again and this time do the activities(2 chapters+activities this week) done
Go to bed in time to get 7-8 hours of sleep every night. 6/7
No alcohol - none
Stretch 20 minutes a day 4/7
Looks like I need to focus on stretching more which is a serious issue for me how tight my body is.
The fitnesspal is a game changer and it’s only day 1 for me on it. Way too much fats and carbs. Really surprised me. I eat pretty clean as far as avoiding fast food and not much processed/boxed stuff. But holy cow. So many carbs and fats. This is gonna be handy and get my body fat down to a more reasonable level.
I’m not sure what to put as my total daily calories since I’m trying to add muscle and lose weight both. I’ve looked through different websites and it’s kind of confusing. I set it at 3k calories a day with a 35/35/30 split between protein/carbs/fats. I’ll track my weight now once my scale arrives and see how it works for me.
READING-
Finished Book of Pook. Take away? Everything. Everything applied to me like every one of these side bar books have done. Specifically though, put myself first, have fun and don’t overthink it.
Started TSM. Started MAP. Still reading TRM, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, SGM .
TSM answered a question that’s been bugging me bad. I really don’t know what my mission is or what’s at my core or most important. I’m very disconnected with myself and my own dreams but it was good to hear that whatever my mission is in this moment, it may not be my core mission, but may be what I need to do to get to the core. For me right now, it’s just baby steps like lifting, not checking with someone else over my actions, reading. I have a tendency to do alot of fantasizing and dreaming and TSM mentioned a great exercise would be to work on a daydream for 1 hour a day. If I don’t actually want to do the work, it’s not something I really want to do and I can let it go.
PHYSICAL- Quite happy to have put fitnesspal on my goal list. I think it’s going to help me accomplish weight loss. I was being lazy and foolish to think I could just guess my way into an acceptable diet.
Lifting has been great. It’s one of the most enjoyable activities I’ve undertaken in a long time. It’s becoming more obvious now about the why's of lifting. It’s just for me. It’s a way to focus on me and what I want to be. No one else is really benefiting from this activity and that’s exactly what I need at this point. Doing something just for me and not for anyone else. I feel much happier about myself than I ever did before I started lifting. I’m still on SS linear progress at this point but I think I’ll have to swap a few lifts soon.
I’ve started to just go for a walk everyday. I have heard that nearly every famous or known person in the history of the world suggests you walk every day. No real reason per se. I could list reasons for it, but it’s something I find therapeutic and not needing a reason. I’ve been using it as a way to practice just doing what I want without checking in on wife or kids. Before RP, I literally ran almost every idea that ever crossed my mind past my wife. I stopped talking about all my ideas, but I’m still struggling a bit to just do what I want when I want and this and weightlifting have been my first 2 baby steps. It is the most freeing feeling in the world. I sometimes get sad when I think about my wasted beta past and then, at the same time, I also get excited about the future as I see all the possibilities.
RELATIONSHIP-
I’m continuing to STFU. I caught myself twice trying to explain something and stopped. The mother in law is coming to town and twice I got complain-y about it. It’s now so obvious to me after when i do complain/deer that it’s the most pathetic thing. No wonder I was living in a dead bedroom situation. Who would want to fuck a complaining/DEER man? I am really trying to dial it in and never do that anymore. When I think back on how it was just my norm, my everyday life, I’m really happy with how far I’ve come(I realize I have forever to go as well)I’m slowly getting to a DEER free zone. A little autist no doubt but a start.
Initiated three times this week. First time I got a hard no over something I had said the day before she was pissy about. I slapped her ass and told her, “You are the worst,” while I smiled. An amazing reply? Probably not, but I didn’t act completely butthurt.
Next morning initiated again, pushed through “I don’t feel connected” and had great sex.
Third initiation was easy. A few days later she was waiting for me when I got home late one night after work.
I’m starting to realize how many times I have sex available to me, I just need to take it. My whole life I’ve been wanting someone to drool over me. Heh. So dumb. It’s there if I’m a leader and I take it. This week I want to try initiating every time I want it. Anytime of the day, any circumstances.
Goals this week-
Everyday I read and observe and practice and every day I feel like I see how big this new world is. It’s incredible and exciting and scary. I’m about 1% of the way into this journey but I love where it’s going. It’s the first time in my life I’ve ever felt like a man.
I just wanted to add a thank you to everyone here who shares their own stories and time. I wouldn’t be where I am without you. And that’s the goddamn truth.
SBIII 6y ago
Download the TDEE 3.0 excel sheet - Google it. Put in your calories & weight every day. There's a box up the top where you can set your goals for weight gain / weight loss. After about 3 weeks of inputting data, it becomes pretty accurate. Stick to it. Every fucking day.
As for carbs/ fat / protein - doesn't matter. Make sure you eat at least 1gram of protein for every 1lb of lean body mass, after that, the split doesn't matter. After that, it doesn't even matter what the fuck you eat - you could eat McDonalds all day and still lose weight if you stick to teh right amount of calories. But don't be an idiot - eating shit food is like putting low grade diesel in your engine. The better the fuel, the better the engine runs.
Either way, you're a fat fuck - 25% body fat is fucking disgusting. You need to cut. Badly. And there's no fucking way you're cutting at 3000 calories a day. 2000, yeah. 3,000, no. You should aim to cut short and hard - at that weight, you need to lose 2lbs per week, so prepared to be fucking starving half the day.
As noob, you should be able to lose fat and move up weights on the bar, so don't make fucking excuses for being a fat cunt. Push yourself instead of cruising it.
NowEntertheArena 6y ago
I've got the spreadsheet downloaded. Thanks for the suggestion. Looks like a great tool.
I was half way through my day when I saw your suggestion on 2k cal a day. Ended at 2400 trying to get all my protein in. I'll start smarter tomorrow and continue to bring that calorie count down close to 2k.
SBIII 6y ago
Did I say to eat 2000 calories a day? If I said eat 1000 would you do that instead?
Fuck me - don't be so retarded.. dial the the shit into the spreadsheet. It will calculate your calories for a cut.
NowEntertheArena 6y ago
Heh, no, I wouldn't have done a thousand.
I'll get it dialed in and see what the results are in a few weeks.
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
TDEE for daily calories don't rely on MFP for that.
What's TSM I can't track all these acronyms.
I walk 30,000 steps a day but not because I want to be famous or known, simply because I live on the beach.
One way to up your walking game is to either (1) smile at, (2) wink at, or (3) talk to every single woman you walk by. See where that gets you.
Don't overthink your initiations, her replies, or your "sexual" banter, it's the most uber-gay thing that happens around these parts.
Because you're weak, insecure, and pathetic and lack sufficient testosterone to get what you want when you want it even from the woman you fucking married. Sounds harsh but it's true.
NowEntertheArena 6y ago
I used the wrong acronym. It should be TWOTSM/The Way of the Superior Man.
I'll give your walking suggestions a try. It's definitely not something I'd normally do or be comfortable with historically but I'm digging the idea.
You are right on the initiations. And I JUST read in Book of Pook to stop to worrying about it.
I don't know anything about TDEE. I'll look into it and figure it out.
MonkModeActive 6y ago
2020-07-14 This is my eighth OYS
Mindset
I recovered my mindset after last week’s disappointment. Reading this last week has been focused more on my spiritual side with Richard Rohr’s Falling Upward. I also dusted off Getting Things Done after a welcome provocation that I mention further below.
Mould
Yesterday I picked up both 16kg and 20kg kettlebells to mix the garage workout up. Keeping up with the rowing machine and started interval training in the last week instead of my normal 5km/20min.
Diet has been okay, although a couple of fireside sessions over the week with two lots of friends both involved too much red wine which left me dusty subsequently. Added maca to my supplement regime (5g equivalent).
Man
Plenty of good discussion with male friends over the last week. No opportunity for real solitude, but have taken advantage of the early quiet hours of three mornings for meditation and reflection. The rhythm of writing OYS entries has also spilled over into a return in my physical journal writing which is enjoyable and clarifies my thinking further.
Minions
In response to my last OYS /u/johneyapocalypse nudged me into taking some more direct action on the tech addition front that needed dealing with. With what proved to be ten minutes of action some new boundaries established for the two boys and we’re into the next school term on a better footing already.
After doing this I realised that I had been waiting for my wife to assume some accountability here. So I gave myself an uppercut and did some push-ups.
To reinforce this boundary setting with me, after one of the fireside chats last weekend with a good friend some ten years older than me who did tell me he thought a few more “no’s” with the kids would go a long way and he is absolutely correct. With one of the kids wired differently than the other two I have struggled to get my approach right in reinforcing the same boundaries that require different approaches.
Mutt
About two years ago our faithful hound gave up the ghost too soon due to illness. As I have long believe in the benefits of having a dog around, I was delighted to get a call from a local breeder who was looking to re-home one of her older spaniels who I will pick up later this week. A dog promotes more activity in the household and will be good for the kids.
Marriage
Sunday night found myself dealing with a shit test arising from some usual anxious hamstering associated with the kids returning to school. Later that night pushed through a couple of soft rebuttals that ended with much quivering and dripping, and myself satisfied after going caveman. I have found myself fantasizing over my scenarios with my wife more often than I have for a while, but I realise I remain fearful about pursuing these.
The grind remains the path.
Tyred_Biggums 6y ago
Where is the fear coming from? For a long time I thought that women wouldn’t like this but MORE importantly lied to myself that I wasn’t like that.
Embrace your masculine side and get rid of that fear of fucking how you want to fuck.
ImpatientZen 6y ago
+1 for having had that realization too. The only solution indeed is to
> Embrace your masculine side and get rid of that fear of fucking how you want to fuck.
And then she comes along or not. Suppressing it leads to resentment leads to all kinds of Nice Guy shit behavior - been there done that, cannot recommend.
MonkModeActive 6y ago
I used to put so much energy into setting up convert contracts to try and live these scenarios out and would get so resentful when it didn't pan out how I had hoped. So I still have some fear to push through there. While I'm not doing that any more, my frame is not such that I get what I want through non-verbal cues. I think I'm getting better at giving non-verbal praise. We will see.
MrRed3321 6y ago
OYS #9
Stats
Mid 30s, 5'7" 142lbs, wife early 30s, married 6 years, 2 kids under 6
Squat - 185x5, OHP 95x5, Deadlift 185x2, Bench 155x2
Sidebar
Finished: MMSLP, Rational Male, NMMNG Reading: Bigger Leaner Stronger Listening: Book of Pook
Lifting/Health
Had to restrict my workouts this week. Have had on and off tendinitis in one of my arms over the last few years, it has flared up into my shoulder and neck. I have tried to push through and focus on core and leg workouts for the meantime.
I have continued to pack on the calories and meet my protein intakes. I have been reading "bigger leaner stronger" and will be implementing what I learn.
Goals for the week are to get back to my normal workout routines, and improve the quality of food I am getting.
Parenting
Good week and weekend with the kids. I was able to organize a number of beach trips, fishing and hiking activities. I have done better at leading the family and disciplining the kids as needed.
The kids are terrible at dinner time, and it is also the time that my wife gets home after I've been with them a few hours. I need to do better about controlling the situation.
Goals for the week are to continue making memories and enjoying the summer. Work on dinner routine with kids.
Social
Not much for social interactions besides at work. Tried to set up a small road trip with a friend to see another mutual friend. Weather and fear of Covid from one of the parties did not allow it to happen.
Goal for the week is to have at least one activity with friends away from the family.
Career/Finances
I received a notification that my application was denied for the job i put in for. Most likely because I didn't meet all the requirements, but it was worth a try. I work with a number of contractors daily and make sure to leave a good impression for future ventures. Will continue looking into career opportunities
Finances are going well, and I am looking into having an addition on the house. Have met with a builder twice and worked out a plan for what we want. The first mate was on board but has now been wishy-washy on the idea. I plan on moving forward with it because it will be best for my family as the kids get older and will allow for more space. I will have to take a small loan for part of the project, but my goal is to hoard as much cash over the next few months to offset what I need to finance.
The goal is to add cash to savings weekly.
Relationship
I am listening to "The Book of Pook" here are a couple things I took away from it. The first is that I need to create a happy positive environment if I expect to get that in return. I also need to do a better job of not being boring. I have done a good job planning adventures and enjoying summer, but there has been years of begging my wife to lead and entertain me.
I have been doing a lot of dancing, and I am working on slowing down the monkey. I have cared way too much about being in my wifes head and my small gains with the redpill have been filled with covert contracts. I have been working on STFU, maintaining my frame, setting boundaries and identifying shit/comfort tests.
I have gotten a number of shit tests over the last week regarding finances. I attempted to show some leadership after meeting with the builder last week. I sat my wife down, explained the design, how much it will cost, and how it will affect our budget. I also explained how we need to focus our incomes on saving until the project starts.
A couple days later when I told her no about a large purchase all hell breaks loose. I was told that I get to make all the decisions, that her opinion doesn't matter, that we should return my new car, that I dont even like her anymore, all I do is whatever I want. Blah blah
I STFU as much as possible until I was forced to make a sound. I have done a terrible job at leading. I have no respect or trust. I have implemented dread and the rope has begun to tighten. I laid out an atrocious attempt at how I am moving forward with goals and that she is welcome to come along for the journey. There were tears, a mild acceptance speech, and then reluctantly joining me with some TV watching. I held my frame and barely said a word.
The next day she was cold. I reset and owned my shit. Got a text a few hours later needing some comfort. The night went well with some fishing with the kids and affection in bed.
I need to do a better job creating a happy positive environment for my home life. I need to do things because I want to.
Goals
Get back to normal lifting routine. Eat better quality food. Stop smoking. Work on kids dinner routine Save money Create a happy, positive home life
InChargeMan 6y ago
Generally additions cost more than buying a bigger house. Is this house a unicorn? If so, pretty cool that you happened upon two unicorns in your life, your wife and your house.
Also, I don't know and don't really care about your job or skills. Just a note, I don't apply for jobs, they apply for me. Figure out how to be more like me.
MrRed3321 6y ago
No unicorns here.
Just read through your RP story. I can relate to how you got here. Lots of great wisdom and motivation. I need to make it a priority to fix me and not worry about changing my wife. I am also guilty of using RP tactics to try and outwit and win interactions. Not the right mindset.
Still have a lot to learn and fix. Thanks
Blarg_Risen 6y ago
When you say it's flared up to shoulder and neck, tendons are local. I would off the cuff assume that your body is compensating incorrectly and it's fucking up other muscles/tendons in your shoulder/neck too.
Drop the weight to focus on form, and look up eccentric exercises for the tendon in question. Do them RELIGIOUSLY.
NO.
MrRed3321 6y ago
Thanks for the advice. I will look into those exercises.
Looking back at my writing related to "expect" that is not the right mentality. Thanks for pointing that out
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
Covert contract. NMMNG 101.
TranscendedCrow 6y ago
OYS #4
Stats as of June 30: Age: 28 Height: 6’0 Weight: 239 Fat: 23% Never Married & No kids
Mission: To dispel my delusions, renounce my weaknesses, and mold myself into a great man.
Weekly Goals from July 7-13
PT Stretches 4/7
Working Out 4/7
Reading 4/7
Meditating 1/7
Calorie Goal 6/7
NoFap 7/7
Currently Reading: How to win friends and influence people by Dale Carnegie.
PHYSICAL & NUTRITION
SQ: 280 BP: 145 ROW: 175 OHP: 125 (fail) DL: 255
Consistently hitting my 1760 calorie goal and avoiding junk food. The one missed day was treating myself to ice cream on a hot day. Weight lifting has been getting more difficult, unsure if it’s because of the calorie deficit or increasing weights. The squats and deadlifts are really starting to reveal my weak posterior chain. The anterior pelvic tilt stretches given to me by my physio is only doing so much. I am also feeling intense DOMS again as if I was a newbie.
Finished reading the simple and sinister by Pavel. I am considering switching from barbell to kettlebell come august. It looks like it’s exactly what I need. While weight lifting has dramatically helped by posture I still struggle to activate my abdominals and glutes without consciously thinking about it and trying. Plateaued again with overhead press, will de-load tomorrow.
WORK & FINANCES
First half of the week I was in a bit of a mental funk, made a ton of little mistakes which wasn’t good. I hate watching co-workers go back to fix my shit. They say it’s no big deal and to not worry but I can see it in their eyes. The second half of the week went much better. Worked some overtime, hit it hard, made the boss happy, and put the extra money right towards debt. My motorcycle loan has only $500 left on it. Can’t wait to close it out in August and snowball that payment to something else.
MENTAL & SPIRITUAL
Started meditating as per recommendations. Only managed to do it one day but I’ll try to habit stack it with my PT stretches in the morning. With the exception of some mental funk at work, I have been feeling and thinking much better. I know what Jocko Willink means when he says to “stay on the path.” I think my increased clarity comes with knowing I am on the path and I am getting a little bit better every single day. The unhealthy flashes of dread and anger that I would consistently get and mention in previous OYS’s are becoming fewer. When they do hit me I am able to “observe” them from a third person perspective and dissect why I am feeling this way. It’s the difference between observing a raging river from the shore and fighting to stay above surface within it. Thank you stoicism and my once a day page from the daily stoic book.
FAMILY & SOCIAL
My father is a military contractor currently stationed in Europe. He was supposed to be home in May but COVID kept delaying his travel back home. My mom has been having a really hard time caring for the family business and my special needs brother by (mostly) herself. He finally got his date though, should be coming home August 12th! It has been a huge relief for everyone.
Over the weekend I motor biked to my brother’s city 80 miles away. We did not some riding and we went to the gym together. I think I inspired him to get into barbells. After each of my exercises (squats, overhead press, and deadlift) he wanted to try and do one rep. He chickened out of squatting 275 lb and couldn’t do one overhead press or deadlift. “I guess I should be doing more than just cardio circuits” yeah no shit. My brother is a US marine and looks infinitely better and in shape than me. Naturally my ego was thoroughly stroked by proving myself stronger than him.
Ran into an old college friend while I was in my brother’s city too. A former alpha business major with supreme confidence who could pull good quality women despite being a bit pudgy. His dad died, he dropped out of college, developed some bad habits, and has never been the same since. We went through hell together in and out of college and we are definitely close. He has unfortunately let himself totally go. Now a security guard that weights at least 300 pounds with an even worse attitude. All he could talk to me about was video games. He didn’t shy away from sharing his anger/jealousy at me for not playing as many games and losing weight. The only thing he had going on in his life was his excitement at buying the new steam index virtual reality thing for over $1000. At some point in our conversation he started bitching about women and how there are no high quality ones in the city. I laughed and asked if he tried being a high quality man? The look on his face was priceless. Leaving that encounter made me appreciate the red pill so much more, he could have easily been me.
Speaking of women I hit up an old plate after she noticed a gym picture my brother had taken of him and I. Says she’s busy this summer with work but wants to come visit me again when she can. I just straight up said I wanted to fuck her again which surprisingly didn’t blow up in my face, she laughed and was receptive. I have never talked to a woman like that in my life because of being a terminal nice guy. She’s not the prettiest thing but fucks with enthusiasm so hey it’s better than nothing. Still been unable to go out and game new chicks because of current events.
canooboy 6y ago
OYS #2
Posted 1 day after OYS #1 (edited for clarity and formatting, and getting in at the beginning of the week, rather than the end)
Age - 61. Height - 5’8”. Weight - 178. Body fat - 24% (pic 25%, strongur calculator 22.4%... still fat). 2nd wife 54, married 25 years. 4 kids all mine 30 - 17.
LIFTS (1RM) BP; 135x1 SQ; 240x1 OHP; 80x1 DL; nogo due back
READINGS with takeaway’s MMSLP/MAP Up to you to make shit work, not her. NMMNG You’ve got to make yourself happy. TWOTSM Harness male/female differences. POOK Fun way to look at chicks. SGM Break out of the usual. RATIONAL MALE It’s all about hypergamy. MMSLP old forum My intro to a new way to think. WAR OF ART (Pressfield) Beat procrastination.
BACKGROUND Tried marriage the first time, for 12 years, way too young, and way too beta (I found this out when I’m 55). This ends in a dead bedroom, so I move on to wife 2 (at least I traded up) but of course, I do the same shit all over again, and of course, end up in dead bedroom number 2. Nicely done. Finally I stumble across a couple of red pillish sites, while researching ‘lack of sex’, and end up on Athol Kay’s MMSLP forum, where I participate, and read his books, and the fucking light finally begins to glimmer. That forum dies, but I do well for quite a while, kind of coasting, with my dead bedroom gone to pretty much all I want at 55yo. I realize however, after a couple of years, that I’m slowly devolving back to before, I go searching again, and finally found this place. I have regretfully half assed it here, but, with a kick in the ass of a rule 11 ban, have made the decision to grab the RP by its testicles and shove it down.
THE GOOD Finances, Career, Friends and Social (poker night weekly, golf, hockey, camping… all with good guy friends).
PHYSICAL I’m in not bad shape, but that’s not good enough. Gym is still closed, and I’ve run out of weights (I’m lifting all I own) so I need to get more weights or figure something else out. My diet is good, I fast regularly, and have good meals prepped by my health conscious wife, but I will decide on how I am going to not be fat anymore. Plan - As is on lift days, OMAD on the others, compute macros.
FAMILY I lead at work effectively and daily (it’s really all I do), and this transfers generally well to home life. I do have one issue here however, and that is my little peckerhead of a 17 yo son. He is big in to the ‘his balls are bigger than my balls’ stage, and I have not been achieving the desired results. I have allowed it to go all over the place, even to the point of bickering back and forth, and this has affected my wife and her view of my strength. Definitely need to OMS here and I‘m realizing as I write this, apply more RP comms, like STFU with him. He is by a huge margin the most strong willed and difficult of my 4, but I need to fix this. Plan - No bickering. More STFU, broken record and fogging. AM does not work with a smart ass teenager.
MARRIAGE/SEX My gains here over the years (since MMSL forum) have been massive, but I still have a long ways to go. I keep thinking at my wife, ‘how do you not see that I am the prize here’. (Doesn’t matter what I think though, does it.) Recently I have noticed that I pay way too much attention to how successful I think my initiations will be, and only initiate when I think I will be successful. This is called living in her frame. Fuck. That needs to change. I also am guilty of kino’ing only as a lead up to an initiation. I have the common starfish problem, and a ‘let’s make this really quick’ problem, and I understand it’s on me to lead her into better behaviors. Longer term, working on my weight and putting on some more muscle is my plan. One workout at a time. Immediate Plan - Initiate daily for the next week with much more kino, and not tied to initiating, lift hard.
PERSONAL I let myself get suckered in to bad fuckarounditis aka procrastination, all the time. It is by far the biggest red, in my life. It is bigger than shitty sex, being chubby, annoying teenage sons and everything else, added together, and multiplied by 10. Someone wrote last week on unfinished projects, and the replies to him, highlighted to me how shitty this habit actually is. This will be my number one focus this week. I will reduce this by attacking things in small doses. I will use the ‘Pomodoro’ technique of timed work followed by a timed break.
That’s it. Keep on pushing.
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
She will pretend to be clueless about how awesome you are becoming. She will cast a web of doubt and hope that you fall into it. Meanwhile, all of your friends, family and coworkers are saying how great you look – how much more energetic you’ve become – how much happier you seem – yet, you hear nothing of the sort from your woman.
Welcome to the Epic Test.
It is a test to see if you can become your own mental point of origin.
canooboy 6y ago
Holy shit, both of you guys (Sorcererking above) saw the same mental point of origin problem. I'm thinking that embracing this concept is both key and difficult.
Thanks
SorcererKing 6y ago
Actually it does, more than you seem to realize. Just not in the way you imagine.
canooboy 6y ago
Excellent point.
Re-reading this I can see that It does indeed matter what I think, and it actually DOESN'T matter what she thinks. I have this line 180 degrees out. I will do my best to start incorporating this mindset.
Horns in the next comment points out the same issue. The idea that being your own mental point of origin is key.
HonkHonkBaby 6y ago
OYS #1
Suck my dick.
rotkohlblaukraut 6y ago
Jesus motherfucking christ. What the hell is with the spew and porn sub post history. You're an arrogant self righteous know-it all. You know how I know? Cause I can't be bothered to read or think about things either I just have opionions and they're always right. My soulmate.
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
Why?
What did you do to deserve this? Point me to the post/comment that resulted in this.
weakandsensitive 6y ago
Fuck that. Fuck you. Good bye.
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threekindsoflucky 6y ago
You replied to main thread. Reply to the OYS comment you were trying to respond to and remove this.
PrinceOfCupsMrp 6y ago
OYS #2
Current Reading
Married Man Sex Life Primer
Vision
Have a large income from multiple businesses I own. Be physically strong. Look sharp. Be comfortable with approaching women or anyone else I want to without feeling uncomfortable. Be confident. Write a book. Socialize regularly. Make lots of friends and close acquaintances and host parties that are fun.
Lift regularly so I can be a strong man.
Objectives and where I'm at
Side business 1
Basic elements of the site already made
Target for week
Make the vid park work
Side business 2
Set up in github and basdic app begun
Target for week
Get frontend of application running on AWS
Lift
Borrowed a resistance band. Continued regular lifting
Target for week
Research training programs so I understand what to do when the gyms reopen. Continue lifting that damn piece of wood every day.
Write
Did nothing
Target for week
Complete first chapter first draft
STFU
I'm surprised to find how difficult I'm finding this. It's not that I want to talk about my fee fees but I open my mouth and say some dumb stuff and then I remember stfu and then later the topic I began gets brought up and I get drawn into it then I remember stfu and I have to directly and blatently stfu to get out of the bullshit fee fee talk I started earlier that day.
Does appear to have a positive effect. Talking about my emotions apparently pulls me down and makes me pathetic and sad. It makes me have better control of self.
Have to keep my mouth shut about women stuff.
Holding frame
I've definitely been leading and instructing and saying no. But I notice I have resistance to this, especially saying no.
Start Talking to Women
No new women located. Have been ignored by a couple old contacts. Still chat with a couple of old female friends.
Social status
Have been reguilarly talking with a few friends. No meet ups possible until payday.
Maybe I should arrange one.
Makeover
Have been dressing sharp every day. Maybe I've spent too long in the sports clothes I wear for my 7am tennis.
This has resulted in positive comments from numerous people and got me a few great pictures \^_\^
Mood
Mood is for girls, but unfortunately I still have some.
The depressive downs have reduced since I begun stfu.
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
Fuckhead - you're not gonna get much out of this unless you respond to people.
Respond to InChargeMan - or I'm banning you for six months and letting you rot under the overwhelming power of your far stronger wife/soon-to-be-ex-wife.
You're making me regret giving you a second and third chance you weak mother-fucker.
Substance, substance, substance - you whined like a bitch in your Ask MRP post and now you're been accused of behaving like a 22-year-old.
Goddamnit.
SorcererKing 6y ago
Don't get weak on us here. Every wet blanket you waste time on is less time you have to spend on guys who actually want to un-fuck themselves.
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
Roger that.
PrinceOfCupsMrp 6y ago
Have responded to InchargeMan and will respond further, but yeah, haven't responded to anything in my first OYS. See your point. Am on it.
InChargeMan 6y ago
When I read this I thought it was written by a 22 year old single kid who just found out the things hanging between his legs are balls, has found MRP, and is trying to get his shit together before going off into the world and fucking himself. Then I looked at your post history and saw that you are 37 with three kids. You should figure out why that is.
Jesus, you even talk like a 22 year old computer science grad
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Am I to understand that a "man" with 3 kids doesn't have the means to socialize with friends until "payday"? You and I are the same age. If I were in that position there would be a fire alarm going off in my head 24/7. Having kids makes you responsible for them, that is your first priority. No more computer games, cancel tv subscriptions, sell shit you don't need, mow lawns, give back-alley BJs, whatever it takes. Fuck your goal of having multiple high value businesses, just have a goal of being marginally productive. Of course your wife doesn't want to be with you, you are a sinking ship, women and children get off first, didn't you see Titanic?
PrinceOfCupsMrp 6y ago
Reading back over my OYS 2 to see how I come across as a 22 year old kid and yeah I see it.
I've got these suspiciously airy ambitious targets all in very early stages. Aiming to have multiple businesses but not even able to have any money left over at the end of the month. My focus appears to be scattered thinly. What do I want to write a book for? Why am I spreading myself so thin? Why have I not mentioned my actual job and how to improve my actual skillset that actually makes me money? Why does my ship have holes in it that I don't even seem to be aware off?
Being marginally productive
Being marginally productive is my new motto and can see how this could be used across many areas of life and maybe in every interaction and event where I'm present, not only financially. To have more money at the end of the month then I did the end of the previous month and to keep that going, by spending less money and by figuring out how to make more of it.
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To create marginal value for myself with every action which I will then be able to gift to others when it suits me. Am going to keep that in mind and see how I can implement it practically this week.
InChargeMan 6y ago
I like it. Make a plan and make each moment count. Can you climb 10 feet? Great, do that 3000 times and eventually you've climbed mount Everest.
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
For a guy who has his shit together - maybe. Not this dude by a longshot. But I know you said this to motivate him - not literally.
OP needs to make himself the first priority so he is actually capable of being productive. That's what has got him in this retarded mess. His priority should be to grow the fuck up already and become a man.
InChargeMan 6y ago
Yeah, I agree, in spirit that is what I was saying. His first priority is getting his shit together, which is important beyond himself because his kids need a father who has his shit together.
I guess some of my moralizing shows, but I do feel that by having kids you now have a higher duty to get yourself square so you can raise kids properly.
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
Yes, the moralizing showed a bit.
But let's presume that a man that has his shit together usually chooses to have children not for the sake of having be crotch spawns and instead he has gifts to give to them (as he does to everyone) in the form of leadership. There's a fine line to moralizing, that's coming close.
PrinceOfCupsMrp 6y ago
Financially I'm earning over £40k a year but that works out after all compulsory expenditures at maybe £600 spare a month for food and trips etc. Generally we spend all of that each month. Have quit computer games already, my abuse of them has definitely damaged my life a lot. The kids have everything materially they want and continuous support. Definitely I need more money. That's why starting the side businesses. Could visit a friend or two here in the town I live but my main socialising is done when I visit London which is a 2 hour journey from here..
InChargeMan 6y ago
My point isn't about socializing, it's about recognizing that you are just barely surviving on so many fronts. Get your ass in gear is my message. Or don't. I don't really care either way.
PrinceOfCupsMrp 6y ago
The biggest change for me has come from stfu. But you're right.
Most of the responses I've got here have been a breath of fresh air in their brutal frankness, have seen the phrase steel sharpens steel and can see how that's happening here. You can see in my OYS that I didn't even mention finance. But I run out of money every month.
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I'm a shitty blunt piece of metal and with every response I get here, which is like a hammer strike, I do get a realisation that I'm fucking up in ways that I wasn't even aware I was fucking up in.
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When I moved to this town to get this job about two years ago I thought to myself I've done it, everything is settled now, the money is great and the environment is healthy and safe, now I can relax. That was a mistake. Should have kept pushing until I had achieved abundance for myself and not just reached a comfortable state and gotten complacent.
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Heck, when I achieve abundance, going to keep pushing, and making more of it.
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Shouldn't run out of money every month, will double down on the thing most likely to increase my income, will double down on leading my family and getting my ship in order. Am doubling down on making myself better.
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Practically I've been initiating most actions the family take since I came to this group and its had a positive effect.
redpillruminations 6y ago
OYS 22: (July 14, 2020)
I've made a bunch of personal progress but I'm not where I want to be yet. I keep retyping this post trying to get to the meat of what I want to say.
I keep initiating and getting turned down. I don't provide any substantial comfort, comfort tests are few and far between. I pass shit tests with relative ease. I keep lifting to failure and reading. I don't get out of the house enough. My wife keeps bringing up money and I STFU or A&A - keeps saying "come up with an idea so we can get rich." I'm getting this shit test a few times a week, regularly.
The bottom line is if I was a high value man, none of this shit would matter or it would not even be a factor. But I'm putting the pieces together to build up to it. I'm still larping alpha, though I'm closer than I've ever been before.
I'm sober now. I continue to lose fat and build muscle. I look better than ever and have a fighter-type build. I like seeing the progress and I am on the long road to seeing how big I can get. I'm going to keep adding muscle year after year. I want to get up to 140lb.
My mind is better than it's ever been - all of the family shit that has spun me up and held me back in the past, I'm over it. I honestly might even stop seeing my psychologist at this point. I'm not mad anymore, I just take it for what it is. I know where the cracks are and just step over them.
I have built a DNGAF frame that my wife steps into a few times a month (I can feel the shift when it happens) but most of the time we're just two ships passing in the night. I don't get worked up about anything. We owe taxes - I'll take care of it. Shit going sideways? tell me about it, it's all good. That said, there are still holes in my frame. When I have something I want to say to my wife that I know she doesn't want to hear, I practice how I want to say it. It's larping, but it's some level of progress.
I woke up in the middle of the night this week and it hit me: I am fucking plain boring. I'm also cautious about just dancing for her validation ("look at how fun I am"), planning beta bux trips, etc.
I'm getting my shit together and doing hobbies I like to do. I skateboard, bike, meet up with friends, walk my dogs, work on house projects, read. I have absolutely no issue being solitary, I know that I need to get out into the world more, meet new people, practice my game more.
A few times a week a thought will hit me, I want to go catch the sunset, walk dogs, get coffee, etc. and I say "get ready and we'll go."
Bottom line is that I'm building the life I want, slowly. Exploring what interests me, she can come along if she wants.
I think it's obvious that I still care too much.
AvariciousWeasel 6y ago
OYS 2 (7/14/2020)
STATS
PHYSICAL:
My lifts increased slowly and surely. I’m keeping the volume low and the intensity relatively high. My goal right now is to just build strength. I’m also trying to cut my weight down a bit. I don’t mind being a little thicker but I’m simply way too fat right now. I think I’d look good at 190-200 lbs. given my height. I lost about 5 lbs. last week but I’m chalking that up to the fact that I’m actually lifting heavy for the first time in a long time, so I got lucky.
MARRIAGE:
Things were decent in the beginning of the week but I started to fall apart on Saturday and Sunday. Saturday was my birthday and it was the worst. I was in a sour mood all day. I don’t really even know why. My kids woke me up a little too early and that usually puts me in a mood. It’s childish of me and I’ll have to work on it.
MENTAL/EMOTIONAL:
Overall I’ve been feeling good. I think my biggest mental roadblock right now is binge eating. I feel like such a little faggot for having a binge eating problem but I amp myself up so much to just eat my meals and I get so defeated when I deviate and eat a bunch of crap even after I’m satisfied from my meals. I’ve actually lost weight and I’ve been binge eating a little less since I started OYS and this MRP lifestyle but I know I need to stop ASAP if I’m going to be at all successful. I need to do more research into ways to stop binge eating.
2wo2wo3hree 6y ago
“Saturday was my birthday and it was the worst. I was in a sour mood all day.“
-Yeah mate. Don’t do that mood swinging. It’s unattractive.
DirtyNuke 6y ago
One thing I immediately noticed when I slowed down my eating is how much "sweet" there was in everything. And as I noticed it, did I really like it? Even things like coffee - stopping cream and sugar - it now has its own taste. I'm not discounting reading labels and counting calories etc, just unleash your body's own sensory apparatus on your own behalf.
AvariciousWeasel 6y ago
I never thought of it that way. Another nugget of knowledge. Thank you
77mrpB2A 6y ago
If only you could have given her the job of navigator. Almost like, you’re the captain, and she’s the first mate. Then you’d be on adventure together. Instead, you’re probably telling her to shut up so you can listen to the instructions on your phone.
Also, get Bigger Leaner Stronger and read the nutrition section. He lays out really well how to build a diet plan.
Vegasman20002 6y ago
Ok EVERY car trip we take that is more than 15 minutes or so I make her Navigator. So easy.
buttery-soft 6y ago
Don't think of it as a shit test yet. Think of it as man test. You sound like a teen that sulked all day because mommy didn't give him his way. That is an epic fail as far as tests go. Think of what a grown-ass man would do and do that. If she's trashing you in front of her friend to show off, gently let her know that it is unacceptable and she needs to adjust her attitude. Like kids, women fucking crave boundaries. They need to hear "no", especially when behaving badly and sometimes for no reason at all.
threekindsoflucky 6y ago
You need to stop giving advice and focus more on your own issues.
johneyapocalypse 6y ago
Agreed.
Blarg_Risen 6y ago
I had to check your age. What she said is so stupid it's hilarious. So why didn't you laugh?
AvariciousWeasel 6y ago
In retrospect it’s definitely an absurd thing for her to say. I don’t use GPS everywhere I go, and that one particular place I’ve only been to exactly one other time before then. So yeah, I should have just laughed and shrugged it off instead of getting butthurt.
Honestly? I didn’t laugh because I felt as though her wanting me to refer to her for directions instead of GPS is some sort of mechanism of hers to control me and it makes me angry. I don’t even know if that’s actually the case and I’m willing to acknowledge that I’m being paranoid and overthinking it, but I think that about a lot of things that she does.
I need to stop trying to dig into her motives and, like you said, laugh off ridiculous shit.
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
Jesus fucking christ you're an autist
Yeah.
Iron Rule of Tomassi #1
Frame is everything. Always be aware of the subconscious balance of whose frame in which you are operating. Always control the Frame, but resist giving the impression that you are.
AvariciousWeasel 6y ago
I’m gonna have to read those rules, and then read them some more. Thank you
thebucketear 6y ago
OYS #2
Stats: 36 married 10, Wife 34, 2 girls ages 2 and 7. 5’ 11’’ 190 pounds
Lifts: Bench 300, Squat 340, OHP 180, Dead lift 350
Readings: NMMNG, WISNIFG, MMSLP, MAP, WOTSM, SGM, Art of Seduction, side bar, other OYS
Currently reading: Westside Barbell Book of Methods, Block periodization
Mental: Continued to try and identify where I am here. I feel as though I am in a transitional sate mentally. What I mean by that it feels as though I am leaving old ways of thinking behind and newer models are become more authentic/automatic than they ever were at the beginning of the journey. With that being said I still feel frustration and anger at things I know are silly/uncontrollable. I typically try to identify why I am feeling these things then drop them. Occasionally they last longer than I would like, and I am unsure how to resolve them. Ideally, I would like to only react to situations I can affect in a way that serves me or my goals.
-Goal: Gain the ability to resolve feelings that do not serve me before they affect my mood or behavior..
Physical: Got a lot going on here. Dropped my running down to 2.5 miles by 5 days a week and have felt much better. I made the decision to start participating in power lifting and spent most of the week obsessively reading about it. Chose to go with the conjugate method for a number of reasons by the time this is posted I will have completed the second workout. I am very excited and I yes I do know how far I have to go.
-Goal: Bench 400, Squat 500, Deadlift 600
Relationship: Last week I said I needed to figure out exactly what I needed. I spent some time thinking about this and while I do not have an answer, I feel like I got closer to one.
I created a wife who is anxious and depressive (surprise, surprise). Takes Adderall and SSRI’s. About once a week she will have an episode where she gets “overwhelmed”. This of course take the form a bitchy person who snaps at the kids and is generally unpleasant to be around. She had one on Thursday and I ask what is wrong, fog, then ignore and do my own thing (lifting shit). I put the kids to bed and do the nighttime rituals while she goes to sleep after hiding in the bedroom for 2 or 3 hours.
Most of the time if some shit like this goes down IDGAF and just move on. The problem is this time it pissed me off. I know moods and the childishness is her just kinda pushing up against me but for some reason it irritated me that we were doing this exact same thing again.
I decided to read Horns post on the anxious depressive wife. It made total sense and I have no desire to invest that type of covert energy into the situation. I am either lazy or don’t like her enough.
-Goal: Figure out exactly what I need/want from this then ignore shit that does not help me obtain these things.
Sex: Did a better job here of just fucking and enjoying it. Wife is experiencing dread (IDK what level), basically almost starts crying about how good I look while she has gained weight. Attempt to provide comfort by talking about how good her ass and tits look. I don’t really like this type of thing makes me feel like I am committing extortion. Either way enjoyed fucking more and was able to increase my level of immersion.
-Goal: Same as last week.
Shit I need to own:
I am still drinking whiskey 3-4 nights to get to sleep. I have not even attempted to stop because I do not want to even though I know it has negative effects on my progress.
I did not initiate one night even though I was horny. I was obviously afraid of rejection and rationalized that I was tired/ it wasn’t worth the effort or some such nonsense.
[deleted] 6y ago
Re the whisky thing, there’s a post on the Sinclair method on this sub but since you said you didn’t want to, guess it’s not cravings or whatever that bothers you.
FWIW I stopped for a year. Can’t say I noticed better health or fitness but I did notice I was bored af. Like literally no longer able to think of anything to do that didn’t involve drinking. I even drank while reading a book.
That kind of crutch is going to make it difficult to form any new habits.
buttery-soft 6y ago
I created a wife who was borderline, bipolar, and batshit crazy. I believe that this is simply what happens to women who don't have a strong man to lean against. Never telling a woman "no" is like never telling a child "no". It destroys them. Women want to be protected and dominated. When they feel like they must be the dominant protector, it rattles their psyche.
The cure is owning your shit and leading. She wants fucking boundaries. She wants a strong safe responsible daddy to reign her in when she's acting like a shit.
rather_empty 6y ago
Hello, me from a few months back. Did you actually follow Horns' advice and study Fogging and Negative Inquiry? If not, go back and study it like you're preparing for an exam (write detailed notes and cover at least one sheet of A4).
Why are you presumably lying through your teeth to your wife? Just say nothing and the hamster will take care of itself. My wife also used to do the same thing. I learned to STFU and instead praised her when she (eventually) started dieting and exercising.
Vegasman20002 6y ago
Exactly the same story as me. I STFU like a Pro and kept lifting, dieting and STFUing.
OP: you do this and that's how real dread MIGHT kick in. You cannot force it to happen. You can't will it into existence. And it may not happen at all, in which case "stay plan is the same as the go plan." But whether it does kick in or not, you will be ready.
But it all starts with STFU and not saying a thing, and letting her hamster do the work for you.
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
You sound like me when I first got here. Right down to the "drinking to fall asleep".
I was full of shit. And so are you. You're a lazy fuck who does shit like this:
You're lazy. This is some low hanging fruit you could tackle today... and so, your woman is a reflection of that laziness and will continue to show you her own shitty behavior as a reminder of how lazy you are.
Edit: there are two great hobbies to help you fall asleep. They're called "getting shit done around the house" and "lifting to exhaustion." Both of which will mentally and physically exhaust you. Not drinking.
You're lazy, but you don't like yourself enough - and so - you don't like what you've created.
Try going balls out with this progress shit and then come back and tell me I'm wrong.
thebucketear 6y ago
I will take your advice on my laziness. The part of your post that is bothering me is me not liking myself. I have known something was going on around whatever my sense of self is called (may not be the right word) but haven’t been able to unravel it. If you have any suggestions I am all ears
HornsOfApathy 6y ago
Keep doing the work. You'll find yourself.
You don't like yourself because the vision you have of yourself isn't formalized yet. When you look back you'll realize how much you really didn't like yourself afterall.
I hate the previous version of me.